#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 167

daring hedge Dec 10, 2020, 12:53 AM

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force more careful play for EM4

dire steppe Dec 10, 2020, 12:53 AM

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you really like your zag bow

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Hmm Hmm

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 12:53 AM

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yeah mino charged shot is the zag shield build lmao

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the one that can two shot heroes

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Ohey another Zeus

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Gimme call pls

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 12:54 AM

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wow

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imagine having fun playing this game

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:55 AM

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https://gyazo.com/a63b84eabc16833827c8ee32e8d4660b

Gyazo

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NO ZEUS, NO

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I need the crits

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Roll gave me the call we are good

daring hedge Dec 10, 2020, 12:55 AM

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electric shot into lightning rod easy

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call into lightning rod then

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Not sure I get it

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No Legacy

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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also stygian soul right?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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RI3

daring hedge Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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lightning rod has innate olympian legacy attached to it

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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oh right

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LOL

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my brain can't comprehend RI3 screens

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:57 AM

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https://gyazo.com/36388c6cb2907536a4758cd38b0bba96 Beo players salivating in the distance

Gyazo

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 12:57 AM

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do you know how many puppies

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i would kill for that well

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Butterfly miniboss took like 25 seconds

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Got a Positive Outlook from Dio

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It was that or secondary Ares

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Which I guess means JerdsToKill

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But eh

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Second Wind from hermes

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woop woop

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... Chamber 33 is a fountain

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Oh boi

rough cypress Dec 10, 2020, 1:01 AM

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wow that was close, 1 second remaining Baj, what a god 😛

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Timer was cutting it close, yeah

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... Chamber 34 no patty. Good thing I took Accorn

rough cypress Dec 10, 2020, 1:02 AM

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shackles for tartarus is a way to get early damage and seeing what boons become available to get a game plan going?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Pretty much

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The general strategy I had in mind was "Wait until you get a decent special, then go for Skull Earing for damage"

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Because of CP2

rough cypress Dec 10, 2020, 1:04 AM

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when you had to pick the demeter special I sensed disappointment

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lol

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:06 AM

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At first, yes

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But then I realized that Chill is actuall SUPER nice to get on Theseus and Hades

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:07 AM

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aight baj inspired me

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i got one run in me

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:07 AM

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https://gyazo.com/4747f471b3fce99b9c02a2e8c068bf0a Demeter taking away my accorn charges like

Gyazo

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Soo

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How does one do a Savefile

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Because I think doing one at this point is good

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Should have done it prior to heroes but whatever

tidal flame Dec 10, 2020, 1:11 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Excellent

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I now have a savefile in slot 3 for me to practise Styx in

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But I'll be real, I don't want to complete the run yet

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Getting a bit of a headache now

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 1:28 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/786403773470867526/unknown.png streak is back up to 5 squirtyay

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Poggers

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Also, nice Zeus run

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 1:30 AM

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don't forget about the meme dash

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Blade Rifts go brrrrrrrr

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:37 AM

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aight so chaos crossed out +1 cast 3 runs in a row

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 1:37 AM

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kek

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:37 AM

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so i'm taking that as a sign to turn the game off for the night

onyx venture Dec 10, 2020, 1:38 AM

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When Chaos casts you into the void blobpensive

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:43 AM

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also retrash i stole your strat and used blade dash to get out of tartarus in my run that went to heroes

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i am officially sold

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but i def sold it in well out of tartarus

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Telling you people are sleeping on blade dash

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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it's good

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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i don't like it in asphodel but its solid in tartarus

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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and i hate that it's good

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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I actually like it on shield

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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blade dash fists actually shreds stuff

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:46 AM

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in asphodel enemies just jump out of it

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Because of Bullrush being able to place yourself for blade rifts

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:47 AM

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its good standalone value

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which is what high heat likes

cedar thistle Dec 10, 2020, 1:47 AM

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i like it on arthur too.

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things in the aura gets shred by the blades

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:48 AM

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its legit on arthur cuz you slow enemies down in avalon

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blade dash solves a problem which is why its solid

cedar thistle Dec 10, 2020, 1:48 AM

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my first successfull FO2 32 arthur was with blade dash

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 1:48 AM

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and you don't need to invest anything to let it solve your problem

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^high heat in a nutshell

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light on synergy. good standalone value

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Retrash casually streaking 45 heat like

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I almost died to Alecto on the zag rail run

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was 1 or 2 hits from death

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 3:06 AM

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That'll happen

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Tartarus is dangerous until you get your stuff going

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:11 AM

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oh @misty hamlet i forgot to say, thank you for enlightening me to no CF2. its a godawful pact

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 3:12 AM

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CF2 is fine... if you always start with coin purse dusa

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:13 AM

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lmao i tried the retrash start for a bit with fated authority

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actually retrash isn't fated authority kinda built for you?

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 3:14 AM

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not with AP2 it aint

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:14 AM

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oh right

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AP2

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 3:33 AM

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that pesky pact

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i just pretend it dont exist 🙈

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:35 AM

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same

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Dunko nearly made it in 50 heat beo as well

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He died to EM4

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#MoreProgress

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:23 AM

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ye he's coming for my record

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:25 AM

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orly

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what pact did he settle on

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:26 AM

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NO RI NO AP

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:26 AM

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interesting

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:26 AM

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he was running aphro cast

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it just slows down so much in elysium

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:26 AM

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oh it really does

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and vs bosses

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whew

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:31 AM

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he'll get out of tartarus way more often tho

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wonder if you should run PS stuff

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:35 AM

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no mic but it looks like streaming works

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ye olde anyheat strimmer

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I'm headed to bed but dm the link

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I respect your beo

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 AM

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its just my name

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TY shadesmile

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I'll catch the vod

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 AM

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gonna be a whole lot of resets :^)

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Thats the beo life

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 4:42 AM

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people in here really like beo, huh?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:46 AM

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think its mostly me and tyler but ive done my best to indoctrinate others

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Now I remember why I put TD2 on my practise savefile

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5-sacks

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:01 AM

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lol

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:20 AM

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true fable think its mostly me and tyler but ive done my best to indoctrinate others

dusa

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Zag Shield > Beowulf. dusa

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:21 AM

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formal gust <:dusa:522248771409543188>

im gonna say i did that on purpose dusa

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zag shield is sick tbh

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:22 AM

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It is

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But beo better

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Beowulf is also sick, but in the "I feel sick and very weak and not very well" sort of way. dusa

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 AM

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...

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 AM

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m very RI3+ biased tbh.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Phase 1 adds are the real threat of EM4

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Yes, that's . . . we know that.

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dusa

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Gonna need to find a way to deal with those as Zeus Shield

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Just keep dying until he summons only the Skullcrushers.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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...

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I know you are memeing

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But legit

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I want to find an anwser

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Broken Spearpoint ain't enough

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:24 AM

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m 50% memeing tbh.

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:25 AM

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mossy zinc m very RI3+ biased tbh.

Some people like fun

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dusa

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:25 AM

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save max call and summon for phase 1 part 3

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and just nuke him as fast as possible then

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:25 AM

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That's what I've been doing

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But I might have set my savefile to CP2 as well

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oops

loud coral Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Just run full Aphro call and burn it on a doomstone skull bigbrain

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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And BTW, Zeus call in that savefile

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So Full Call won't quite do it

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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loud coral Just run full Aphro call and burn it on a doomstone skull <:bigbrain:73743339719...

don't remind me please

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I have a practice save at EM4 with HL5 CP2 DC2 FO2 HS. It's not very fun.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM

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It's mostly that part 2 add

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That screws up my accorn charge strat

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And Part 3 to an extent

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So I can't do it

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:27 AM

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which adds?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Basically any that aren't stompers

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Sneaks, Butterflys, Gorgon Heads, Doomstones

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Even if you don't hit Doomstones, they'll still do a 8-beam attack

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Hades himself ? I can handle him

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:28 AM

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if you get doomstones in phase 1 part 2, hit it a few times and keep it alive so he doesn't summon more adds for part 3

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Uh ?

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I'm missing info here

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It stops the adds straight up ?

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:29 AM

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yeah, he doesn't summon if there's enough small crystals on screen

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:29 AM

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...

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Now that's big brain

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So that leaves the butterflys that fill the entire battlefield, Sneaks that will randomly just hit you if you aren't in sync with their teleport pattern, and Gorgon heads that you can't even destroy their projectiles with a basic attack because SGG thought it was too good and removed the ability to do so in the last update

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:31 AM

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divine dash is your best bet against those but sneaks are definitely the worst

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I think divine dash is the only dash that destroys butterflies

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Which, considering I eventually plan to run AP2, is basically asking for a reset-fest

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Urgh

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It's not like I can focus the butterfly either, it teleports the moment you rush towards it

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I usually ignore it and focus entirely on dad

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Which I try to do that, and the bigger problem occurs : 67% of the battlefield is filled with butterflies

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Sounds awful all across the board

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:34 AM

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it's a lose-lose scenario so you just gotta work with what you can

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I'll do more testing

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It'll also let me practise my Styx a bit

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Got a savefile ready and all

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:35 AM

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The only adds that really bother me are butterfly balls and sneaks. The other 3 are pretty manageable.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Gorgon heads might just be a "me" thing

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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maybe, I never had any problem with them

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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My damage won't be so great in an actual run, so that's why I added CP2 in the savefile practise

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Since I didn't run AP

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@north dove If you don't mind me asking, what keepsake do you usually use ?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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loud coral Just run full Aphro call and burn it on a doomstone skull <:bigbrain:73743339719...

the worst one is when he uses darkness right as you aphro/arty full call

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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for styx?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Yeah

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Either Spearpoint or Tooth

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depending on my build

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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I'll try the Tooth out

loud coral Dec 10, 2020, 5:39 AM

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true fable the worst one is when he uses darkness right as you aphro/arty full call

God I hate that, happens a lot more than I'd want

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Also does tooth count for stuff like Touch of Styx and Deathless Stand?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Nope

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 5:39 AM

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nope

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Use your burst Call after i-framing a spin when you're right next to him to guarantee the hit.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:40 AM

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That alongside a Meg should finish it off in an actual run

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:41 AM

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He won't use invisibility then because he's in recovery.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Assuming I have a non-Zeus, non-Dio, or maybe even non-Ares call

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...

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Demeter Call for the add slowdown ?

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:41 AM

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That's a lot of ifs.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Yeah

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Meg'll do most of the work tho

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Demeter's Aid does a lot of hits on Doomstones, and every hit drops a shard or something, no?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:42 AM

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But then said shards also get hit so 🤷‍♂️

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:42 AM

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But for no damage with that call tbh lol

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Might be good. I dunno.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I value the chill on the call more than the damage

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Damage's to help for rooms, mostly

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Don't know if it matters much on Doomstone shards. Maybe it does.

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Worth a try.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:43 AM

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At some point, I'll have to test it out

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Easy to do in Tartarus

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For now, Zeus call it is ... yeah

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But the practise I did so far did help me out

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Don't think I actually ate a spear throw so far

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Mostly me being greedy with dash attacks when I shouldn't be, urns after lasers hit 'em, Occasionnal Shockwave I didn't pay attention to, or the adds

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Going back to it

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:48 AM

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My policy for boss fights is if I can't do the fight clean with HL5 CP2 DC2 FO2 HS and EM, I don't take it. Clean meaning with 200 HP or less in a reasonable time. And tbh in my short practice with Rama I haven't been able to get to phase 3 at all yet.

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Doomstones just murder me.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:49 AM

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In my practise savefile, I have no patty and 217 MAX HP before Styx

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My only real defense is Second Wind lol

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Relentless Volley + Chain Shot might just be the worst possible combo, though.

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Is it normal for Doomstones to drop like 12 shards or something immediately? Does it drop shards on every Hangover tick?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I think it drops one for every hit lol

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Because I swear the whole map is just covered in shards.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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With Hangover I'd assume it just procs each tick lol

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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lol

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:50 AM

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No wonder it fills up

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Might have to do a new save with other hammers.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Mine has Explosive Return and Minotaur Rush

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Minotaur Rush isn't as practical without Sudden Rush, so it's only really Explosive Return that does something

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Against EM4 anyways

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... Maybe I shouldn't have set it all the way in the beginning of Styx

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5-sacks are annoying

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:08 AM

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You can have a practice save right at Hades lol.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I could

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I should

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I got my response to the Butterfly at part 2

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Rushing it can work out

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Just gotta do it like 3 times

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Turns out I can pull a Heroes for that

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Phase 2 is on lockdown

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Phase 3 I gotta rethink, because he starts going for fast skull throws again

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Chiron do be getting poopied on by Doomstones

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And Rama against butterfly balls are just like ..... shadeeyeroll

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It's not even that they're very dangerous, it's just tilting to get stunned so much

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:35 AM

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LOL i finished achilles 45 and then realized my stream wasnt set to automatically record past broadcasts

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achilles will remain the only unsubmitted unseeded weapon :^)

shy plinth Dec 10, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Nooooo

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:37 AM

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it's ok i do it again tomorrow shadesmile

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it was a flurry jab run anyway

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Uh

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Turns out the Butterfly rush strats also work on Doomstone

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Took like 2-3 laser hits and that was it

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So it's only sneaks that pose a problem

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And I might be able to also bullrush to 'em fast enough

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They aren't that tanky

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Starting to figure the adds out

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:44 AM

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you know more about zeus but maybe keeping special for when sneak TPs on you?

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IDK

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i know i usually just wait for first TP and nuke them with beowulf

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:44 AM

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The problem with sneak

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Is that it either sidelines you

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Or goes right behind you

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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what's your usual burst combo with zeus?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Zeus doesn't burst as much as it just buzzsaws things

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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that was my impression

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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So I'd have to wait out the TP specifically

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The one that sneaks behind you

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While also looking out for Hades

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:45 AM

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yeah that's tough

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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But I don't think that's impossible

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With that, I'd have a strat against all the adds but Gorgon Head

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She just refuses to show up lol

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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so i finished 45 with 3 minutes left

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do you think adding EM4 and like

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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But I probably just try to keep the special on her and bullrush to cross her up

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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one level of JS is manageable

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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With Beo ?

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EM4 is good

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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nah

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achilles

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM

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...

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That's a good question

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:47 AM

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it was a no EM4 run

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:47 AM

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With EM4 you might time out

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:47 AM

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yeah maybe

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can never tell with spear

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:47 AM

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If you don't get Flurry Jab or something

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It's gameover with a 3+ sack

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:47 AM

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yeahhh

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just get flurry jab lol

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:48 AM

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But I don't think EM4's the way

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for 50

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:48 AM

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it's scary

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but i run out of heat sort of

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did you end up doing it?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Doing what

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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achilles 50

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Not quite

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I think I also played around with RI

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Which is not what one would really want

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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i'd have to add another level of JS, CP, and then something else

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thanthink

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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...

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You legit run out of heat without RI, AP or EM4

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Holy

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 AM

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JS3 CP2 just sounds so rough on spear

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yup lol

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if any spear can do it though it's achilles

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 AM

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I mean

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 AM

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that thing still tears through normal rooms

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Tailesque did a bunch of high heat runs with Hades lol

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 AM

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true

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:51 AM

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https://gyazo.com/d365d652ed405b0f574beb05ac8ea65a This is what you end up with

Gyazo

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Without EM4, AP, RI

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And DC

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:52 AM

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lol

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high heat is a disaster

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:52 AM

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And that's with CP2

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:53 AM

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a disaster i tell you

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 AM

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CP2, JS3, TD3 ... 😰

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 AM

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I think I ended up messing with something like this : https://gyazo.com/4230eb8c8a59f0b2602d105627262068

Gyazo

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I'm a RI nut so lol

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Could consider CF2 -> No CF and AP1

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 AM

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Losing Dark Foresight is so annoying

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Yeah

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Damage Control is a problem for Achilles spear? I almost never play the aspect

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:55 AM

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It can be rough

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It limits what you can build

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 6:56 AM

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You want the cast damage burst probably?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Basically limited to Ares/Demeter for cast stuff

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And otherwise, You want specific hammers

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https://gyazo.com/adbb277b29d5e967131f5b902feebdeb

Gyazo

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This is probably a more reasonnable approach, if you go for either of those I mentionned

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No RI means AP1 isn't that bad

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But CF is still a pain

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And EM4's still there

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Achilles' stupid hard to optimize, Heat Wise

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No wonder Tailesque went for Hades Spear instead

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Like, this is why I started to mess around with the special of all things

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Since it's not as laggy on Achilles because you can throw it super close to you/rush to it

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Damage Wise, it can keep up, especially if you go with Vicious Skewer

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And it still makes going for a generalist build with core boons viable

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Casts are still an ok pickup as well, but not the main focus

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Yea... you're basically spinning anyways for the fastest room clears

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But I do think Sturdy Spin is necessary if you play DC

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:01 AM

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... If you go for spins

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You'll mainly want to Dash-strike a bunch anyways

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Like special -> rush to it -> dash-strike -> dash-strike again (or attack, with 1 dash) -> repeat

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Spinning is basically the fastest way through Tartarus...
And on Hades, the buff still makes you want to put it up

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:02 AM

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baj is just used to having 5 boons per run

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:02 AM

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I did watch his hades run... was it like 43 heat? he might have timed out without the early sturdy spin

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:02 AM

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dont listen to him

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Spinning, from my experience, is NOT the fastest way to go through Tartarus

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Or not always

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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On the Hades spear

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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On Hades spear you do it for the debuff

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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you think vicious skewer is the way

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?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Not necessarely

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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also yeah you usually spin once or twice per wave

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Flurry Jab is lol

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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It basically one shots everything that isn't armored in Tartarus...

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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with hades

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not with DC

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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But Vicious Skewer I need to play with more

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Yeah, sure, of course... I did mention DC

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But I do think Sturdy Spin is necessary if you play DC

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DC is super obnoxious

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:04 AM

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but it is not "necessary" in any way

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:04 AM

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For TD3? It might be

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:04 AM

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i'm pretty sure tailesque has clears on hades without flaring spin

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and there are others too

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Mmk

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I'm thinking very specificall, DC2, TD3 runs on Hades, though

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:06 AM

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So, watching Tailesque's run of 50 heat real quick, he does pick up Flaring Spin

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But the way he uses it, it's about the same as say dash-striking a bunch

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Since enemies are far appart enough to not get hit by the AoE

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It's not that big

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It helps, sure

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But it's not necessary

unreal pasture Dec 10, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I think on that run... he's at or over deadline as well...
To me, that sounds like it's borderline necessary

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Like

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It really didn't change out he played out lol

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Now that I see it

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He nearly timed out in Tartarus because of a Numbskull + witch room, on top of many non-great rooms

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Even without DC, it would have been close with that kind of room luck

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Especially since he got Than in Tartarus

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Something like Quick Spin might have been even better

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Bunch of thugs too

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:12 AM

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iirc tail doesnt really rate spear spin hammers but that opinion may have changed

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since hades basically just has a built in spear hammer

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*spin

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:12 AM

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I think he rated Flaring Spin a bit better because of that run

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But otherwise, yeah

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You want Serrated Edge, Explosive Launcher, Charged Skewer

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You know, things that increase your boss damage ?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:18 AM

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charged skewer

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interesting

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whats the actual base dmg increase on explosive launcher?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Base Launcher is like 50 base

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But it's somewhat fast

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:19 AM

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yeah

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ah ok for some reason i thought it was like 100 base and then i remembered it was because of epic chaos

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:^)

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and debuff

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1k crits with hades spear special feels illegal

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:20 AM

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So

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In the video, he nearly times out in Elysium

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Again, because room RNG gave him a bunch of swordsman, which to my understanding, is pretty bad

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And with Divine Dash, I don't think the Flaring spin AoE Mattered as much

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He'd just dash-strike a bunch

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:21 AM

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i dont think achilles needs to build cast now tbh

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you can pretty much have buff up 100% of the time without any downsides

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Or, Since he picked up Explosive Launcher, he could open up with That instead of waiting for the spin

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:22 AM

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yeah unarmored swordsmen/flame wheels/witches in elysium are terrible for room difficulty

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posting this here because it seems relevant for people who dont want to keep separate practice saves

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https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/59

Nexus Mods :: Hades

Ello's Boss Rush Mod

Are you strong enough to take down all the bosses back to back with minimal boons? This mod allows you to find out. Simply select boss rush on the Pact of Punishment and face off against a miniboss

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theres also the codex mod that lets you pick boons and builds to practice with

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:25 AM

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So he got Archer -> Spearman -> Patty -> Butterfly -> Chaos -> Spearman mixed with Sworsdmen armored -> Spearmen with armored Miniwheels -> Swordmen with late Spearmen

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Spearmen are pretty bad too, from what I know, right ?

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His Elysium didn't look that great, even with Patty and Chaos, since he got them so early

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:27 AM

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no spearmen are fantastic

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Are they ?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:27 AM

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archers arent great

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spearmen are worth a very inflated number of points

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let me check again

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:28 AM

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To me, they always spawned as much as Swordmen

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That's why I'm surprised

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:28 AM

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yeah so archers and swords are both worth the same

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Not surprised on archers

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:28 AM

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well

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unarmored archers are technically worth slightly more than unarmored swords

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spearmen are slightly more than archers

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 AM

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So they are ... about average

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 AM

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shields are more than either of them

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the real disparity is with elites and superelites though

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 AM

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lol will we manage to record one Achilles run this year?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 AM

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superelite archers are worth 250 difficulty points, while shields are like 350

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 AM

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It's not looking too good so far.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 AM

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i turned on past broadcasts

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so maybe tomorrow

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not looking good though i agree lol

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Yeah, but now you already know you're only getting 5 sacks.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:31 AM

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i'll do it after the new year just for culture

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:31 AM

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I'm legit just focusing on EM4 now

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Or rather, Styx and EM4

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:31 AM

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why does elite rat have 5500 armor 💀

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why does tiny vermin have 12000 HP

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I kinda hate that Giant Rat miniboss lol. Give me anything else, game.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I save my meg just for this bugger lol

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Why do you take a million years to ki- oh great I'm poisoned now thanks

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:32 AM

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soulcatchers are worth as much as spearmen

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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I've sometimes thought of not doing MM just to get entirely free miniboss chambers lol.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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that one's surprising to me

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LOL

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that would be nice

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and being able to meg consistently

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baj

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this might be the strat for you

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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... give me a break

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You hit your MM DC2 megs constantly and we'll talk

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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LOL

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 AM

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See.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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i might start going antos tbh

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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That's why I use Antos to get rid of both DC2 hearts.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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🧠

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expanded

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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Big brain strats right there

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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a spearman is worth 4 flame wheels

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that is uh

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quite the exchange rate

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 AM

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lmao

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:35 AM

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and then to no one's surprise chariots are worth a ton

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almost double a swordsman

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unarmored

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:35 AM

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So Tailesque's Elysium wasn't that great

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Mediocre to bad rooms, free rooms were early

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:36 AM

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yeah the big thing is just armor

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Elite Chariot difficulty value is 1/4th of what it should be.

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I die more to Chariots than to Hades.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:36 AM

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elite chariots are worth surprisingly little compared to their unarmored counterparts

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:36 AM

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^ that I am not surprised about

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Like I said.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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Mainly because you'd only see one per wave lol

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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1/4th of what they should be.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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jesus christ 5 bloodless are worth 1 spearman

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i am upset

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i guess you cant really compare them across regions

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but im still upset

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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1 spearmen
m also upset.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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happier?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:37 AM

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It's secretly a legion

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:38 AM

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No.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:38 AM

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well

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Ha. Got 'em.

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They're Longspears. squirtdevious

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:38 AM

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actually theyre "ShadeSpear"

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Mods, Bright01 is discussing datamined content. Plz ban.

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I win. They're Longspears.

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Can't prove me wrong. dusa

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:39 AM

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banishing me to modding discord, are we

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Maybe you'll make it on the modding leaderboard. That's one you haven't tried yet, right? squirtdevious

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:40 AM

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I thought that leaderboard was for the ShadowRealm% category

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:41 AM

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still have to try 40 heat

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then i'll be outside the top on every category dusa

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:43 AM

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I just saw you submitted a 32 Beowulf and thought oh cool Bright01 did a mirrorless 32, and then I checked mirrorless and saw yours wasn't mirrorless. And then I laughed because I realized you actually are in last place when I was just memeing. I should feel bad for laughing, but somehow I don't. zaglol

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 AM

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i submitted it because it was fast 😠

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also

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 AM

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I mean.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 AM

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was watching tailesques mirrorless and literally LOL'ed at this absolutely cursed image

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 AM

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It was faster than my mirrorless 32 runs, I give you that.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:45 AM

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https://imgur.com/gCyo9AV

Imgur

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:45 AM

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@daring hedge nice power shot.

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The #1 high heat player right there.

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Sorry.

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#2.

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@honest kernel you're #1.

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I bet Baj would have done that better. squirtdevious

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Nah he's #1

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He's no 1-trick

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:46 AM

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No.

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You did 57 first. That's all that matters.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:47 AM

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He also likely took way less attempts than I did

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And also has other high heats of his own, like Hades spear

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Because he learned from your strategies.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I actually haven't completed a run above 40 with the other weapons yet

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Not to mention his mirrorless runs

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:48 AM

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He couldn't have done it without your 57 to pave the way.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Can't even get out of Elysium on 'em

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:48 AM

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He only made mirrorless thanks to my efforts, too.

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We just don't give him credit for anything, so he won't see the point in barrel-rolling us anymore. squirtooh

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:49 AM

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honest kernel I actually *haven't* completed a run above 40 with the other weapons yet

That just proves your superior strategy. squirtdevious

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:51 AM

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... Right now, I can't tell which part of you is memeing/being serious

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But either way

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To summarize my practise so far, I'm getting better at the EM4 fight already. Adds are the main issue, rest is just me having to play clean. Still developping more strats to optimize the fight itself, starting to figure out the adds a bit. Tooth is likely the keepsake I'll want if I don't get Patty, Broken Spear Point otherwise

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Fight looks doable, but I need to be consistent at it

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Do you have DC2?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:53 AM

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On the savefile ? no

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I do have CP2

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Skulls are a big problem for me with DC2 CP2.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:54 AM

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With Zeus shield I literally don't care, because 1. Blocking the skulls still prevents them from spawning, and 2. Zeus Shield is a Buzzsaw and a half, so it chews through DC like no problem

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As long as I actually get in range, I can kill them no problem

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:55 AM

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They disappear if you block them?

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Straight up

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They don't bounce or anything

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:56 AM

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oh pog

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wait i knew that

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for some reason i thought you were talking about the doomstone adds

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:56 AM

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Same happens if you bullrush into them, BTW

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:56 AM

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i need sleep

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:57 AM

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That . . . never happened in the normal Hades fight when I blocked with Beowulf. thanthink

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That sounds like a bug.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Gimme a sec

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It happens in my 57 heat clear

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Deflect used to make them disappear before 1.0, but block never did.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Deflect doesn't anymore

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Yeah.

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But I don't remember any patch notes about block doing that now.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:59 AM

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this seems like a pretty straightforward thing to test right

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or are you just wondering if it's f10 able

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 8:00 AM

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It happens in my video

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Just making a gif of it

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https://gyazo.com/0462fb1229fbebe17d30f27507d22ba9

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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There we go

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Skull goes sploosh as soon as it exist out because I bullrushed into Hades as he threw it

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 8:02 AM

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blink and you'll miss it

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but yeah seems to be the case

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 8:02 AM

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I could probably do another one that's slower

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 8:03 AM

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ah that one proves the point

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weird

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Yeah, that is not the expected behavior. They should bounce off your shield and just drop. thanthink

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 8:03 AM

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shield becomes even safer than it already was

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Doing a slower version of it

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If it's un-intended, I'll post it in #test-branch-discussion or something

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Maybe #test-branch-tech-issues.

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 8:04 AM

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... Yeah that's a better call

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https://gyazo.com/ff3a41a6ea1d31cf4380b5deb059662f

Gyazo

▶ Play video

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This one's much better

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 8:05 AM

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It looks unintentional. Never worked like that before, and I don't remember any patch notes about it, either.

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 12:51 PM

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This is the first time I go to sleep, wake up, and there's not a single new message in this channel. I restarted Discord just to check if it was bugging out. zaglol

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 12:56 PM

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5h sleep 🤔

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Me: Oh boy I can't wait to watch some Beowulf from my fellow high heat beowulf player Bright01

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No videos found. dusa

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@formal gust do you stream so i have someone to watch?

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 2:22 PM

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You could watch some neat GY bouldy

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 2:23 PM

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oh bablo streaming Pog

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@sly remnant no

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not yet

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maybe when I get my second monitor

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 3:13 PM

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also I'm in school now @sly remnant

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:17 PM

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ah. understandable

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I might attempt to record a video streaking all 6 zag aspects at 45 heat when I get a day off work. It would be one long video though, probably over 3 hours.

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:27 PM

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i'd watch it just for the fundamentals

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and more blade dash strats

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 3:59 PM

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question for this channel: whats the realistic goal for streaking heat wise

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i think 40 is pretty hard cap

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45 maybe but its super dangerous

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like for multiple aspects not just one

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all weapons could probably streak at 45 if they were comfortable enough with certain aspects

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but all aspects at 45 is...dicey

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:02 PM

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I think technically you can get good enough with any of the aspects to keep going, up until a pact condition makes a build too RNG dependent, like with AP, or makes the deadline too hard, like with DC2 on Arthur or something.

So you could map out the pact for each aspect, and find the point at which each one moves from "i can grind it out to become consistent" to "RNGesus take the wheel", and then the lowest of that out of all aspects is your goal

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:02 PM

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i mean i think for streaking purposes AP doesn't exist

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even TD3 is sketchy

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a lot of people don't like EM4 and i think its super dangerous for streaking

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so thtas 12 heat you are missing right there

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RI1 is possible on some weapons, but RI2 is incredibly sketch with no thick skin

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so thats18-20 heat

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which already puts you below 45

north dove Dec 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Bablo's setup for 40 is pretty realistic

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:09 PM

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i agree

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if yo uwere really good at the EM4 fight like retrash is you can probably think about 45

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but its dangerous

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:21 PM

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EM4 gives you so much less wiggle room with the timer

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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well TD2 gives you a LOT of space

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:31 PM

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What is the highest heat beaten?

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:32 PM

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sly remnant well TD2 gives you a LOT of space

yeah but taking EM4 over TD3 is only 1 incremental heat

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:33 PM

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toxic token What is the highest heat beaten?

57 by baj and tailesque

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Thanks

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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if you check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel you can watch their runs

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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If you select every single one the highest you can reach is 67 am I right?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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63 in normal mode 64 in hell mode with personal liability

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Oh I see thanks mate

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yea np. we suspect 58/59 is doable....but farther than that.....is difficult

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if tailesque banged his head against the wall he could probably do 61/62, but even that is super iffy

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Well we've seen many miracles I'm the gaming world some people are beasts

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We'll see

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:37 PM

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no death defiances is

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rough

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RI4 is insane

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Yeah that's true

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I think max heat minus max TD is probably doable, since it's just taking your time and playing safe, but the timer is what makes it truly impossible IMO

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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nah. one bad BP room

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and your run is over

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you can't heal

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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right but it's still technically feasible

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:39 PM

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we get around healing with stubborn defiance rightnow

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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with perfect play, I'm not sure max heat is possible with perfect play just because you spend so much time dodging everything that time runs out

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I think 61/62 is possible with EM4 TD3 RI3 AP2 on like 2 weapons

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i don't think anything else is possible

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:41 PM

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TAS hades when?

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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What weapon though? Is there a specific weapon that's better for this job?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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rama

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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zag sword baby /meme

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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cgull is meme'ilng

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just to be clear

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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sorry

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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lol i just didn't want the guy to become a zag sword main

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thinking he could go all the way

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Rama huh didn't like it first time but I can see why it's good I just need to get used to heavy atks from secret aspects

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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rama is incredibly self-sufficient

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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rama is basically like the standard bow with 2 hammers on it already

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Am I dumb or is the Aspect of Arthur actually bad

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I didn't like it at all

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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aspect of arthur is great until you turn on FO2

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 4:44 PM

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or damage control

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:45 PM

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^that too

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altho people thought DC was impossible on beo

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its not GREAT

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i really hate it

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but its doable

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arthur could probably take DC1 fine

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I even got atk speed from hermes it was still slow

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yea think of arthur

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as a hammer

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a big greathammer

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its not really a sword

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Hmm I see

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The most famous sword in the world became a hammer

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:50 PM

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sly remnant Me: Oh boy I can't wait to watch some Beowulf from my fellow high heat beowulf p...

BRO I COMPLETELY FORGOT TO TURN ON PAST BROADCASTS LEAVE ME ALONE

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my life in shambles shadegrief

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today should be recorded though

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Oh 1 more thing like pls tell me I'm not dumb am in the only one who finds theseus and asterius with heat easier?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:53 PM

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people say that all the time

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i don't understand it

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a lot of people think that

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asterios is so brutal at EM3

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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they become pretty awful with modifiers

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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FO2 HL5 asterios

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HS theseus

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:54 PM

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at base i think theyre pretty indistinguishable from non EM3

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HS? do his little bombs count as traps lol

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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yes they do

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:55 PM

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learn something new everyday

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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me losing my DD to the last of theseus bombs hitting me with 100 dmg for patty heal is very common

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*SD

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I'll tell you why

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yeahh i thought they just did 50 base lmao

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:57 PM

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More importantly theseus is more of a pushover without it

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Plus asterius's bayblade move leaves him wide open

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Especially for range builds

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yea see how free he is

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with FO2

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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when HL5 asterius charges you for 73 (74?) damage at mach 5 speed

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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74

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and yea

toxic token Dec 10, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Though theseus can sometimes be unreadable

cedar thistle Dec 10, 2020, 4:59 PM

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73? did you have bouldy's blessing 😆

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 4:59 PM

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i dont remember numbers

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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the korean player submitted an eris run that is probably unseeded but he only showed zag getting out of the pool rather than him dying so hard to say for sure

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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where's the link

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:19 PM

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50 heat eris

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it's on the seeded 1.37 leaderboard now

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basically looks like schad's setup

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:20 PM

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its unseeded

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:20 PM

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this is how we find out @rain sedge is the korean nemesis sword player

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:20 PM

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save icon on entering the dojo

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its unseeded

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sad 😦

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:21 PM

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very sad but i think it's verifiers discretion at that point

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:21 PM

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but rules are rules

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14:50 IGT

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eris is nuts

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 PM

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good lord lol

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 PM

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i feel bad for the dude

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its obviously unseeded

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:40 PM

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you know what would be a cool pact

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certain number of trap kills a biome or lose some max hp

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Losing hp when whiffing

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:48 PM

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i just like pacts that arent....play garbage

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EM4 is a really cool pact

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it is! its not a normal punishment. Its a way to encourage players to adapt to something and reward understanding of the game and your aspect. EM4 doesn't make it more difficult to get to Hades. It just makes the fight harder. Its something that can be planned around and doesn't actively take any shiny toys in the game away from you. It just forces you to use those shiny toys more effectively

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a lot o the pact is about taking things away from you. EM4 is not that (all of the EM is included in this)

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Not saying you're wrong

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EM4 alone is fine

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but it can be really unfair

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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it can be.

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i don't disagree

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I want to get good at that fight tho

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I have like had no practice with em4

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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you play beo and don't do EM4?

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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i've attempted it like 3 times

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yup

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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bruh

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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lmao

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I took it lol

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I took ap

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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for what heat

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:56 PM

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45

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I'm a brainlet

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:57 PM

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YOU TOOK AP FOR 45 ON BEO????

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:57 PM

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yes and I won

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:57 PM

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gg buddy

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:57 PM

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congrats dude

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you are better than me

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no way i convince myself to play AP at 45

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757245687107944509/777683412961591316/SPOILER_unknown.png

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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what does ap stand for

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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approval process

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I ended styx with acorn left LOL

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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CF2 AP1 for beo.

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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the one where you remove a boon at each region?

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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graceful vortex what does ap stand for

see pinned message

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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no it crosses out an option

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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no that is underworld customs

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I died on em4 twice

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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wow

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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gaunt fiber see pinned message

lmao thank u

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:58 PM

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and was like whatever I'll try without it

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and then I won

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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CF2 Ap1 on beo

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you are a madman

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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what

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i don't even play CF at 50

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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cf doesnt matter if you dont use shops

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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it like wasn't that hard really

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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🤔

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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for me

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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you are better than me

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i'd hate that run

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i like boons

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 5:59 PM

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it took me less than 10 tries

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:00 PM

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maybe i'm underrating beo's capability to handle AP and CF

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:00 PM

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maybe I should get into this more

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:00 PM

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yea i think you could beat me

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:00 PM

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hmm

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:01 PM

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if you practice the EM4 fight

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:01 PM

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idk what I would take instead of CF

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:01 PM

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i did no RI AP1 no CF for my 50

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so DC2 and CP2

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:02 PM

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51 heat beo strems at some point? maybe

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:02 PM

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nice

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:02 PM

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just go high roll AP2 and flex

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:02 PM

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beo is not an AP2 weapon

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:03 PM

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get lucky

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:04 PM

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yeah i did no CF no AP for my 45

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:04 PM

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gaunt fiber get lucky

One of The problems with AP

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:04 PM

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CF/AP/RI breaks the barrier of what i find fun in this game, at least on beowulf

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Once I turned off CF I think it took me like 3 tries

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For 45

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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ok maybe next time I should show my pact here to make sure it doesn't suck

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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i've had deadly strike crossed out 4 times in a row on achilles

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@mossy zinc you were right as soon as i turned on recording my runs got cursed

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we're never getting a 40+ achilles recording lmao

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I think this channel is starting to come around to the idea that we might have underrated the effect of CF

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:08 PM

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like underrated how difficult it is?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:08 PM

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To be clear wobbles was the one who turned us onto it

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:08 PM

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formal gust like underrated how difficult it is?

Yes

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:08 PM

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while overrating the mirror

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agreed

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Gold is actually so good at getting you out of tartarus

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and getting your build online for elysium

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it doesn't matter in asphodel or styx all that much

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I feel like CF and RI1 might kind of trade off with each other?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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nah some weapons don't mind RI at all

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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no CF lets you buy more boons
no RI1 lets you reroll early and get more gold laurel rooms

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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dark foresight hurts a little bit but just buy boons

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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right i'm saying that it's a direct trade off almost

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more boons is a better way to get the ones you want than rerolling boons thoguh

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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exactly

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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and even with dark foresight i feel like you don't get many boon rooms, so buying is def better for more

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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when you have 200 HP leaving tartarus 🥴

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Where is the 63/64 heat run posted? The highest I see on the spreadsheet is 57

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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it's posted in our dreams

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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there isn't one

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57 is the recrod

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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ok nvm guess i misread the message lol

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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isn’t 60 the max?

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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lol that's a good discord nickname

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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63/64 for normal/hell mode

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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i see, ty

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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oh i see the person was saying those were the highest you could go

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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61/62 is possible

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i don't think 63/64 is

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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shoutout to baj

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baj is currently practicing for a 62 heat run with everything but RI4 on

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i believe

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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i had a 55 heat run at some point but i lost it when i changed my pc :((

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you guys are making me wanna take on 60 heat

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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why do people need to show their last death in the videos?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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prove that it's unseeded

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you lose the seed when you win or when you die

honest kernel Dec 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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otherwise you could keep giving up to try the seed over and over

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is there even a way to keep the seed consistent? i thought the smallest things could mess with it

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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starting seed is huge

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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that's a lot of work

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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also is high confidence what most people take over thick skin?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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lmao no

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high confidence won't be online most of the time

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so everyone runs thick skin

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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ok i guess baj is just a god gamer then

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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i guess you could turn on HC for RI practice

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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high confidence is a speedrunning thing mostly

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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HC is fine until you need to turn on FO2

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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im in elysium with 3 zeus core boons lmao

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solid achilles run

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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45?

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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'core' boons?

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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yee

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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what does that mean

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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attack/special/cast/dash

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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oh i see

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ok

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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call as well

waxen relic Dec 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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graceful vortex ok i guess baj is just a god gamer then

The reason for only 50 HP is the RI pact

graceful vortex Dec 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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oh i see, so it's not that they have hc on, it's that they have their mirror off

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got it

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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yeah baj plays with RI3

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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i've thought about doing a mirrorless or boonless beo run just to do it

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but it seems so awful

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like i'm just playing generic shield

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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ive done boonless

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mirrorless sounds hard

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boonless 32 was not too bad

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100dmg per cast is sort of beefy

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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did you feel like you learned anything doing it?

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if you did i'll do it

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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probs gonna do high heat hestia next

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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true fable this is how we find out <@!203931754501767168> is the korean nemesis sword play...

ah yes, playing high heat with sword, my favourite activity

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you've found me out, oh noooo

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because I totally would love to press special every 4s and reroll everytime I don't get double edge at 50 heat

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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priority boons: Attack, Special, Cast, Dash
core boons: ^ those four + Call

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:36 PM

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rain sedge because I totally would love to press special every 4s and reroll everytime I do...

What if you get Cursed Slash, though?

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:36 PM

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cursed slash at 50+

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why don't you just start with GY

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Yeah, actually. Good idea. squirtnya

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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why doesnt everyone just start with GY

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I don't know

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people won't listen

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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it has been 3 runs since i was offered deadly strike first boon

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I've been asking myself the same question.

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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imagine playing GY at 50

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yikes

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Casual players don't imagine that. Casual players do 4 Heat sword runs with Tempest Strike. squirtnya

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Outed yourself again as a fake casual.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:44 PM

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id actually be more impressed by a tempest strike only run than by a boonless run

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:44 PM

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what heat?

solemn pulsar Dec 10, 2020, 6:44 PM

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62

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 PM

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if i ever decided to get back to high heat soaker....

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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hestia seems fun I have rarely used it, althought not as rarely as zeus shield

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:49 PM

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hestia is fun and a good high heat weapon

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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It's fun, but it's also very repetitive.

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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hestia is fun
@gaunt fiber do you mind weirdchamping this post my friend?

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I like Hestia

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But I must keep my promise

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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lol i also agree with nyaanyaa that grinding hestia is a lot less fun

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hestia is a good "i just want to win a run" weapon

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Thank you friend

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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u right

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spread fire zag rail is the future

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dusa

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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pleasure is mine

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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rails other than eris exists?

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I should try to clear hestia at 32 heat

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just to see """fun"""

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 PM

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how good is spread fire zag actually lol

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Bablo did a good run with it recently

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build was strong

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 6:54 PM

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so you're gonna laugh

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im about to clear achilles again

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but i just realized my recordings scuffed

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LOL

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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room 1 spread fire

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ah

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rip

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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did he use arty attack @gaunt fiber

proud jay Dec 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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lightning strike

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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what

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isn't that like

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bad with spread

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or did you just have zeus equipped

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Stuff died

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Not too bad I guess

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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its not too bad

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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blueshrug

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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option selects for regular scuffed eris if you dont get SF

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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oh maybe I'm just thinking of spread on eris being bad

proud jay Dec 10, 2020, 7:24 PM

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lightning strike is far from optimal with spread fire

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but spread fire and lightning strike are both very good on their own so it doesn't matter

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 7:25 PM

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s o

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apparently if asterius charges you, and you put it to his 20% threshold, he STILL charges you until it finishes

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and it can kill you 🙂

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:25 PM

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yes

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 7:25 PM

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yes

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im pretty sure its a bug

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:26 PM

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boss phasing doesnt remove their hitboxes i dont think

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he's done that when i hit him mid leap too

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

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true fable but i just realized my recordings scuffed

Bruh.

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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its fiiiine i died to heroes 🙂

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elysium is a rough place to be low on time

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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when hades does his wave thing across the ground and you nova you should jump over it

spring kettle Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I hope it was asterius and not theseus who got you

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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true fable elysium is a rough place to be low on time

bEt

true fable Dec 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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asterius did most of the work

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i think i actually died to timer

tidal flame Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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true fable elysium is a rough place to be low on time

hot take

spring kettle Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Theseus would just be so smug if you died to him

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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hot take: 53 is higher than 52

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

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40 is higher than 40

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Don't @ me

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 7:34 PM

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gaunt fiber 40 is higher than 40

this is actually true depending on pacts

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I ain't saying random stuff you know

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 7:38 PM

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4/6 weapons for bounties

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woot woot

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:39 PM

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true fable its fiiiine i died to heroes 🙂

Hurray.

mossy zinc Dec 10, 2020, 7:40 PM

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gaunt fiber I ain't saying random stuff you know

Yeah, it's all pseudorandom.

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:41 PM

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virgin cast build poseidon aspect vs chad melee poseidon aspect using slicing shot to get rid of damage control

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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mossy zinc Yeah, it's all pseudorandom.

Lmao

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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when will we get routed Astaos

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:43 PM

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What result do you expect?

formal gust Dec 10, 2020, 7:43 PM

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things that make sense

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 PM

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isnt the optimization here: "this might be off-topic but <insert bot statement here>"

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Right in the kokoro

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:46 PM

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sly remnant isnt the optimization here: "this might be off-topic but <insert bot statement h...

But what's a bot statement?

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 7:48 PM

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gaunt fiber But what's a bot statement?

"this might be off-topic but what's a bot statement?"

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Oof

teal cloud Dec 10, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Easy heat 16 tips?

shy plinth Dec 10, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Uh... like pact config? Or what

teal cloud Dec 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Pact config yeah, i wanna kinda just breeze through it

shy plinth Dec 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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If you have not done a 16 before you should not expect to

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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No EM4 No FO

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No AP no RI

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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no TD3

gaunt fiber Dec 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Yeah

sly remnant Dec 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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other than that kinda just think about what your weapon is good at?

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I know one of you nerds have RI4 EM4 16

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Can you link it

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I think all of the troll screenshots are for 32

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Actually ri4 em4 is more than 16

shy plinth Dec 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

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A lot more lol

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RI4 LC4

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That's the troll

rain sedge Dec 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Ah yea that'd do it