#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 163

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Mystery room is the best

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Nah extra enemy is awful

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You'll always time out

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:09 AM

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i meant for resetting

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its a meme

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Ohhhhhhh

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:09 AM

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LOL

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 1:09 AM

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oh like actually killing yourself with

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lmao

rancid stirrup Dec 8, 2020, 1:09 AM

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i thought mystery room is pretty horrible for high heat

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i always dodge them

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I mean on beo you have to take it no matter what it is

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:10 AM

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yup

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the nice thing about mystery room though

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if you pick the wrong one

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just reset lol

rancid stirrup Dec 8, 2020, 1:10 AM

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lol

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Lmao

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I threw a mystery room +1 cast run yesterday

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My mystery rooms were midshop, sisyphus, fountain, end shop, boss

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And somehow I managed to die to tis

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Idk mastery from at Tartarus is nice since mostly you don't have an option anyway

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Who even takes chaos gate after Tartarus

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With ap and ri

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That's just inviting bad curse into a quick throw

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:12 AM

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yup

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Its a free room tho

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:13 AM

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unless timer's super tight i wont take them with RI/AP and few rerolls

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Idk man, I'd rather die to TD than die to chaos

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:13 AM

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when you pick mystery rooms but still sense the free rooms

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pog

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ive gone midshop story fountain with it

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blessed run

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 1:13 AM

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But my weapon is Eris, which doesn't really rely on chaos

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If it's something like beo I might reconsider

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Ok I'm seeing Hypnos for a bit, night friends

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GJ again for 50 Tyler, and retrash for casual "for fun" zag sword clear

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Has anything cool happened in the past week

wicked trellis Dec 8, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Tailesque and baj got 57 heat

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I think that was in the last week

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Oh that was only a few days ago and I saw those. I guess I haven't been gone that long xd

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:22 AM

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i think it's been approx 2-3 days

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since you were last here lmao

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so no not that long

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:22 AM

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thanks schad

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Well it feels like forever 😢

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 1:30 AM

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anyone know if PL is gonna be allowed for srcom anytime soon or was the hell mode save just to have a hell mode svae

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 1:44 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/785682953056550942/unknown.png got a 5-sack and still had plenty of time to clear squirtyay

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(sweet nectar I sold not pictured)

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:44 AM

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LMAO

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IS THAT A LEVEL 11 FLOURISH

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meme'ing at 45 heat

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 1:45 AM

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might as well, right?

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 1:45 AM

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respect

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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purposely taking curse of longing

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interesting

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the kids are gonna think it's good now retrash what have you done

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I mean that's about the best setup I've seen for it

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 2:33 AM

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aaaaand streak died on Talos 😦

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 2:34 AM

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sounds about right

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Ok did anything happen in the like last 3 hours

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Played Monster Train a bit due to a new beta branch thing

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Retrash being Retrash and doing great with mediocre aspects. What else

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I took a nap

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It was nice

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Talos is the only good weapon you've played today

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 2:47 AM

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You mean bad weapon

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Impossible for fist to be bad. This one even has magnets!

spring kettle Dec 8, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Fist is good in all aspects

snow pebble Dec 8, 2020, 2:51 AM

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fist op ngl

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bow also op

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I find that the best 32-heat boon strategy is no boon strategy. https://gyazo.com/256241a213465689fe8042ba3ac05257

Gyazo

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Welcome to the Shackles gang

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Awwww yeah

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Only my second time completing a 32-heat shackle run. I failed like 15 times in between. lol

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Hey you're that guy

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That posted on my reddit thread

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 2:59 AM

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ripe crane Hey you're that guy

I don't know that I'm known, so this will be interesting

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Oh yeah!

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I am.

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You inspired me to slam my head against the wall

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:00 AM

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But it's fun head slamming right 😄 ?

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Oh absolutely! haha

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What do you have your reload mapped to?

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I use a Nintendo pro controller, have it mapped to left trigger

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I'm using left bumper now.

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I dunno, my mechanics are super sloppy. Sometimes I get stuck where I'm hitting the buttons out of order

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and it's like I'm frozen

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Ah yes. Almost feels like the gun is jammed?

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Exactly.

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I'm not sure that is entirely you tbh

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:02 AM

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"Stop reloading already!"

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Me sometimes on Hestia lol

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Right? It seems like the reload time is not always consistent. I think I've gotten better at it but it certainly still happens. Especially in high pressure situations. Those are my fault 😬

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 3:04 AM

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reloading out of dash freezes you in place too. need to be aware of that if you're on your last dash

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Reload into dash is how you gotta do it

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 3:05 AM

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yepp

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:05 AM

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My basic move combo is Reload+Attack+Dash+Repeat

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Mine's Dash -> Attack -> Reload -> Maybe throw the special -> Look where I should dash to

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Sometimes replace the special with a cast

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:07 AM

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You wanna tap reload then immediately hit dash, you won't be immobilized by the reload that way. You can attack after

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Come to think of it, I think that's what I do.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Since you technically cancel the reload animation with a dash

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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It's hard to think about huh? It's all just muscle memory when playing

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Makes sense

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Yeah. It really is.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Your DPS routine should be on autopilot for the most part

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Speaking of muscles, the hand cramps ... good god the hand cramps

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Never gotten hand cramps playing Hades until Hestia

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I could see why that'd happen lol

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If your reload button's in an uncomfortable spot

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Or even just being a button you don't usually push

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Yeah I think that's it. Before this, my left bumper was mapped to Codex.

spring kettle Dec 8, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, the other guns, you can get away with automatic reload

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Well, if you had fun with shackles, I guarantee Hestia is a lot more enjoyable with boons and is great for higher heat stuff if you wanna get into that.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Speaking of comfort (Hell of a tangent, BTW), I never had any discomfort playing with Zeus Shield

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Which I find weird

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Weapon just clicked for me

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Hestia's a lot of fun too, to get back on topic

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... As long as you avoid Damage Control

dire steppe Dec 8, 2020, 3:15 AM

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i wish spread fire on hestia made the empowered shot like a giant shotgun blast

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that pierces

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:16 AM

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That'd be dope

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:16 AM

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👀

boreal imp Dec 8, 2020, 3:16 AM

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i get hand cramps with bow

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:19 AM

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wait so @ripe crane

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ive been doing some more hestia

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 3:19 AM

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as you should

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:19 AM

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do you do reload into dash cancel and then dash strike again?

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or do you standing shot

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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He stands shoot a lot

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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No, just standing shot. I rarely get dash strikes

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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for sure

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i was gonna say

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quite a few dashes

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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i think dash strike is inaccurate?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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is it

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hmm

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I wouldn't know I play KBM lol

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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i was doing some 45 hestia yesterday and choked vs non EM4 dad

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:20 AM

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But it's probably for I-frames/positionning

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Happens for sure, even though it feels like it shouldn't

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:21 AM

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yup

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oh well

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:23 AM

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ripe crane Well, if you had fun with shackles, I guarantee Hestia is a lot more enjoyable w...

What boon build do you use with Hestia shackles? I thought it would be cool to start with Arty's keepsake and go for Deadly Flourish and try to get PP or Hunter's Mark so you can get crazy crits when you go back to the shackle in Asphodel onward.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Thing is, Shackles strats are mostly for AP2 pacts

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:24 AM

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theres no reason to use shackle if you can still get boons is there

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?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Since getting a build at all is not easy

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Otherwise you'd want Artemis attack and whatever else you can nab

oak fog Dec 8, 2020, 3:26 AM

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That makes sense.

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:27 AM

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The only time I use shackle outside of completely boonless is with AP2/RI2+, which is not something you want to do. Artemis definitely the best start. I usually go Artemis -> Athena (to get her dash first, and maybe special at some point after for potential deadly reversal) -> Acorn -> Acorn for keepsakes. Aphrodite also nice for her special and Heart Rend. Battle Rage from Ares is one of the best single boons you can pick up and doesn't require any prerequisites.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:27 AM

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ripe crane The only time I use shackle outside of completely boonless is with AP2/RI2+, whi...

How do you feel about Poseidon Dash at high heat

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If you have any experience with it at all

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I have been starting it when trying 40 speedruns, feels like it's probably a faster Tartarus but not worth it for general high heat I don't think.

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Unless you get like Breaking Wave for Styx I'd assume

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But yeah

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:31 AM

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For time purposes?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Yeah

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I'd also assume Styx is a bit annoying for Hestia

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But it could just be a speedrun strat

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:33 AM

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that's how kate does it iirc

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for anyheat

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I don't feel like Styx chambers take that long tbh

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:33 AM

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i think lili also does that in their 6:45 hestia

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not sure though

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Dat's fast

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Why can't I get 6:45

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Lili's a monster of rail speedrunning

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:35 AM

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lili is also very willing to reset runs if they dont make it out of tartarus in 2 minutes flat or less

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but yeah

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rail god

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:35 AM

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i think splash dash is very good

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:35 AM

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It's great

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I will use it for speedruns. Need to figure out how to do so better

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:35 AM

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put lout in wall

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:36 AM

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I have a habit of wanting to use it often but I think I still need to use hestia mostly

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Like even in tart

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:36 AM

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i mena on beo splash dash is essentially a DC popper

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 3:37 AM

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hmmmmm maybe that is how I finally turn DC on hestia

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:37 AM

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how'd the coaching sesh go tyler

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:37 AM

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What coaching

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:37 AM

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i caught a bit of the 32 review

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:37 AM

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I'm out of the loop

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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i think wriste coached him for 32 heat or smth

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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yea we wanted to do anyheat but my streaming was being dumb

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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I thought he only coached for anyheat

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Hmm

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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does he just do coaching or is it a subs thing

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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anyone can request coaching

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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He does free coaching

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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oh bet

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hmmm

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:38 AM

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a lot of what we focused on was my decision making

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since it still needs work

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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He also dm'ed me for an eventual Zeus Shield analysis

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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the room 1 erebus was questionable imo but everything else in tart seemed fine

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Whenever he feels like doing it I should be joining him

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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never punished for that hidden rooms tyler

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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lol i was not

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/785712000768016414/unknown.png this is the optimal way to play Talos

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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the zeus shield analysis would be 👌

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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my mechanics still need work tho.

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i would love zeus shield analysis

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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retrash im upset

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:39 AM

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that weapon is actually so big brain

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retrash

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i was gonna do high heat revenge

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and then you just do it on a whim

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what a god

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 3:40 AM

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lmao

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:16 AM

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So @daring hedge agreed to let me interview him for my hades podcast Hidden Aspects, we had fun chatting - if you wanna check it out the link is in #self-promotion 🙂

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:16 AM

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oh pog

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I'd even go so far as to say big pog

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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quite a large size pog for sure

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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"Maxing the Thermostat"

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Now that's a title

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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are you on spotify

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Yes I am

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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nut

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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https://open.spotify.com/show/6WUJfmcQ1aEaWAnc2U7zGk

spring kettle Dec 8, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Close enough anyway

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True max level heat is probably impossible for a human

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Also my core audience is definitely not used to running 50s

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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omg I didn't expect Tailesque's voice

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To sound like that

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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oh did you not hear him coaching haelian

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lmao

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Hah

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I didn't yet

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Let the voice wash over you

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:19 AM

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him and wriste basically just did the comedy central roast of haelian

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since he went for a rama curse of nausea build

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:19 AM

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When I play rama it's definitely for incremental damage over time

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<_<

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:19 AM

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LOL

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follow tailesque's advice

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"idk just powershot"

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:20 AM

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My understanding is also getting triple shot is Good

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:22 AM

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Twin Shot, Triple Shot, Even Perfect Shot are the hammers you want

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But overall, getting bad hammers with Rama is actually kinda difficult

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Explosive Shot's the only one I can think of

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:24 AM

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repulse, sniper, and to a certain extent relentless volley are kind of a waste at high heat

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:24 AM

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But they won't brick your run entirely

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Unless you depend on them to get anywhere

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Which's bound to happen at 50+

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:25 AM

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losing a big source of damage along the way hurts, yeah

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especially if you need that push in elysium

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Do you reset often at tartarus hammer tail?

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:28 AM

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with AP2 yes somewhat lol

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mostly from explosive shot as baj mentioned

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since it basically dooms the run

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Lol fair

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:29 AM

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but as long as perfect, point blank, twin or triple shows up then, it can definitely work

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those are the big four that rama likes the most

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so even with AP1 it's likely you'll get one of those

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Do you think rama is a good AP2 weapon? Or do you just have to play it because there isn't space left

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:30 AM

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with shackle definitely

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Rama's got the damage

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Just need to play it smart

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:31 AM

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yeah

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Ye I was impressed when I watched baj's run how much zeus shield did not care about hammers or boons because of how well he played it

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:31 AM

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rama doesn't rely on boon scaling too much which is a big plus

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right?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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To be fair, Shield doesn't have the most impactful hammers

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Like, some are nice damage ups

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I'll watch yours too tail now that I'm not no-lifing 50 heat dio

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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i used to think zeus shield needed thunder flourish or deadly flourish to function

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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But they aren't essential

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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i was very wrong

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:32 AM

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To be fair

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I DID start with Thunder Flourish

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It was at common

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Upgraded it in Eurydice's room

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Traded in the Minotaur miniboss for a Demeter special

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But to be honest, as long as it's not Ares or Poseidon special, Zeus Shield can work fine with it

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Ares needs Merciful End, Poseidon basically says "Your shield is now a funny bumper, enjoy losing all the damage, Nephew!"

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Lol poseidon

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I've Tried to make it work

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It just doesn't

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Rooms become 300% slower

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I actually tried flood shot beo too

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To decrease the reliance on high roll

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Part of it is yourcontrol too

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Still opens up Mirage Shot, eventually, yeah

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Your manipulation around rooms is insane

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I never knew zeus shield coukd be used like that

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Flood Shot on Beo sounds insane with Breaking Wave lmao

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A lot of what I do on Zeus shield is like "I'm fists, but I have a yo-yo that can also BullRush into things"

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:38 AM

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That is....an interesting way to look at it

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I will have to try again

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Lots of peeps, when they see Zeus Shield, think way too hard about the special

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More often than not, you can just throw it out, and recall it instantly

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That'll get most of the damage there

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Throw the special -> Dash into an enemy is one of my DPS routines

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:38 AM

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have you heard of the yoyo build baj

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it is getting popular

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:39 AM

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... Which one, specifically ?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:39 AM

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just explosive return special spam

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:39 AM

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...

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:39 AM

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LOOOOL

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I do that ALL the time

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Even without Explosive Return

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I only stick it out if I know an enemy's gonna stay put for a while due to stunlock/because of their movement pattern

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Or because they are about to spawn there

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:40 AM

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You also knock people back into it all the time for that extra tick or two of damage

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:40 AM

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I do it here and there

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It's also another routine

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Throw the special -> attack -> dash attack -> attack or bullrush

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It actually lines up nicely

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:41 AM

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While also getting wall slams and stuff

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:41 AM

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... About that

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Wall slams are good and bad

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Because the special is wonky around walls

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Okay. Teach me your ways

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:41 AM

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You still get great damage with attacks

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Oh yea thebspecial

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:42 AM

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But yeah

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If you build around the special, it's legit best to push the enemy out of corners lol

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Gotta start doing that myself too

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I def try to go out of my way in tartarus to get wall slams with beo

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:42 AM

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It's a valid strat

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:42 AM

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But I'm bad about slacking on it as I get online

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:42 AM

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That'll happen to me lol

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Especially when I get hammers that want me to Bullrush

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Like, I know I don't NEED to bullrush all the time, but I do it anyways

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:43 AM

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i don't NEED to bullrush all the time

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What is that life

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:43 AM

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uhm what

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Whoops edited

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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I swear if my fingers betrayed me again

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But like, with shield I found a tech that I'm implementing bit by bit

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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im no moneyballer

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but if i had to bet

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i think your frequency of bullrushes

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Dash -> Late dash attack keeps your momemtum from the dash

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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is definitely correlated with sudden rush

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Works well with movement speed bonuses

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... Except for Hyper Sprint, for some weird reason

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:45 AM

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yeah i've been doing the dash late dash attack recently in anyheat

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dont know if it's more efficient than double dash for movement

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but for reaching some enemies

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:45 AM

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^

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:45 AM

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it helps a lot

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I think it might just be slightly better

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Because you don't have that wait time between the dash cooldowns

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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i think maybe double dash -> late attack then?

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instead alternating dash and late attack

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Don't even need to double it

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Just alternate yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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well why wouldnt you

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you still wait out the dash CD

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Because it ends up being the same

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And you keep a panic dash around

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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oh fair

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i was thinking pure room traversal lmao

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I love the panic dash

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:46 AM

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It's something I need to mess around more with

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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the panic dash - oh so you mean all my dashes

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Especially when I'll finally decide to go for anyheat speedruns lol

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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dont do anyheat

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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I'm bad about getting an extra dash from hermes and just always saving it for panic

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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anyheat stinky

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i reset for 4 hours and finished 2 runs

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Ehhhhhhh there are things to learn from anyheat

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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there are

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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^

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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if you're just going for a decent time yeah

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Even in high heat, I only reset a handful of times

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:47 AM

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if you're going for WR it starts to get a bit annoyin

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:48 AM

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WR isn't necessarely my plan

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:48 AM

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i just want to beat the big babs

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and prove that stygian can do it

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I just want to see what I can do with Zeus Shield in a speedrunning environment

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Already got 8:28 IGT

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But Dad call was involved sooo

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:48 AM

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And ultimately most people arent gonna respect a slow 50 heat beo clear more than an any heat world record

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And I understand that

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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i know i played a bit terribly in my 7:37 so i think i can beat it with better play and the same luck

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Or anything high heat that isn't the highest, really

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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also salty that my 7:37 was off recording because i thought they were gonna be archived

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im fine

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Ye high heat is weird

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Since its only number

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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sly remnant And ultimately most people arent gonna respect a slow 50 heat beo clear more tha...

o.o idk man

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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not to be that guy but does everyone really respect an anyheat WR that much?

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i guess maybe casual players?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Considering IGN wrote an article about a sub-5 minute run

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I'd say yes

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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That beo 50 heat time is beatable for a good player. Its not an impressive time

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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sub 5 was seeded?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I think it was with Lernie skip

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That or it was Lili's sub-6

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Don't recall which one

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Probably the former

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:51 AM

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i just want to sub 7 on beo and then im never touching anyheat again i swear lol

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Lol I kinda want the same bright

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Then you and I can battle it out for 32 and 40

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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it's stupid, and i know it's mostly RNG, but i want that number

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idk why

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Speedrunning addiction

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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im still waiting for them to verify my 32 heat run so it can be 1st for a day before tailesque submits a better one

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unless he already did

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Knowing him, he probably didn't bother with 32

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I just want to be a good beo player. And that requires understanding beo in a lot of contexts

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Likely went to 40

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:52 AM

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One of which is any heat

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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that's fair

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then again i think he cranked out the 32 heat WR in a couple of tries

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and said he was interested in the category

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I dont think tailesques heat gage goes below 40

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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How long ago was that ?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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pre 1.37 so mightve changed

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Because at some point, like in Blood Price, I recall 32 heat being considered legitimate

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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i said i was the only person doing 32 and he said he would try some

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:53 AM

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And not that boneless anyheat nonsense

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I was doing 32

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And then I got obsessed with my 50 clear

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:54 AM

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yeah it's very easy to be distracted by shiny things

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that's me with anyheat rn

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I need to grind out atleast a sub 8 anyheat

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:54 AM

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idk 32 heat is kind of a whatever category

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Then I can go back to 32 and 40

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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i want to try to get a decent 40

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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40 is so rough

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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really?

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i want to wait and see what happens with PL

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Bp2 messes you up so bad when trying to go fast

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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To speedrun ?

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Yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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if that's changing at all

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I was using BP2 for 32 for a while

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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You are insane

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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it mostly sucks because of the number of bruisers i think

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dude i hated asterius miniboss

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but eventually just decided to suck it up

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Just don't get astwrios

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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exactly

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have you tried simply walking into the butterball room

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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I don't recall the last time I turned BP2 off outside of that one rando Arthur Run I did just to see if you still get the boonless message with a Chaos Boon on you

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Do you baj?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Still counts

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Nice

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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You get the message with a Chaos boon

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And the title too

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:56 AM

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BP1 decreases the frequency of bruisers by a not insignificant amount

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i think 32 heat speed BP RNG matters a lot too

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it's weird

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:57 AM

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It does

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But like 3 people run the category so it hasn't affected

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:57 AM

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The Thousand Sniper Witches have been summoned in Tartarus

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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sly remnant Bp2 messes you up so bad when trying to go fast

i actually kinda like it for 32 and 40 heat speedruns because it's a good chunk of heat

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bruisers are the big no thanks

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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hello

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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everything else is manageable

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hi

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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i listened to the cast

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I run bp2 at 40

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I dknt do it for 32

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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you really hate greatshields that much

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I 100% understand his view on greatshields lmao

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:58 AM

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speeder greatshields with JS3 ruin me

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Especially on Bow

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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there's like

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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makes sense

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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no openings

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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oh on bow yeah

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Good luck getting a shot in there

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lol

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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sorry im very conditioned to just uh

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nuking things

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shield who

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I don't mind them as Zeus Shield

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Since I juke'em and throw the yoyo on them

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yeah i can see how it would be uber annoying on bow

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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That feeling when you triple shot and hear three clangs

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yeah i pretty much have to throw power shots out the window to do any damage on them

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:00 AM

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have you submitted to 32 heat yet 🙂

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:00 AM

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lmao not yet, i haven't done 32 or 40 speedruns since the archive and patch yet

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:00 AM

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🙂

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ignorance

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is bliss

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Bright's just happy that he gets a chance in the spotlight

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:01 AM

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LOL

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i just want to podium baj

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i'm like george russell

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more competition for 32 would be good though

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Just googled that name

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Just shy of top 8 according to Google in one of his most recent races

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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he shouldve made podium

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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... That's kinda valid lol

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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a tire blew out

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i think

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Oof

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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@daring hedge i forgot, did you use dad's in your 1.0 clear

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Surprised he still made a decent time with that happening

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:02 AM

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40 no, 32 i'd have to check again

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Dad call in 40 heat is uh kinda risky ?

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Or at 'least was at the time 40 heat became a thing

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:03 AM

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oh you submitted a 40 clear

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dang

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yeah i didnt do any 1.0 40s because lol archive

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I might try it out

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Skull Earing strats here I come

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:03 AM

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seems fun

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i know crepes was doing some

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:04 AM

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checked, yeah i had dad sigil in elysium and styx for the 32

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definitely no longer going to be considering that after the patch though

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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probably corn?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I tried that in a failed 50 heat attempt

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Didn't hold up

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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lol

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yeah 2 stocks is rough

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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The one I did like yesterday on Achilles

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Because I was practising and apparently I hit the nuts

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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it's nice because for beowulf you just very obviously take hourglass

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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probably an offensive keepsake for 32, maybe acorn for 40 depending on how things go

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Oh you can bet if I do 40 I'm doing Skull Earing strats

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

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skull earring sounds nice

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

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yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

#

hourglass can kind of snowball hard though

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in a way that skull earring doesnt

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Hourglass for cast stuff sounds about right

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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like in my 9 minute clear where i had 3 braids at once

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and a prometheus stone

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very fun

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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braid is such a nutty well item

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Without Cast, you end up whiffing a lot

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

#

DUDE

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

#

But yeah

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

#

IT'S LITERALLY

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BAD NEWS

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FOR 20 OBOLS

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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i know it's incredible

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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it's absurd

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

#

... Can we talk about Aether Net too, while we are at it ?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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i dont know why they think it's adequately priced but i'm not complaining

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Legit underrated Well item

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:07 AM

#

yeah

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i just buy them because well

#

why not

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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i would pick it up more if i was better at remembering to use lesser calls other than dio's

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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i just buy them because well
@true fable nice pun

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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When you need all the damage you can get

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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im angry at myself

#

considering editing

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:08 AM

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You'll take ANYTHING

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Lesser calls included

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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would you buy a braid baj

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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If I had a decent-ish cast

#

yes

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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LOL

#

i remember watching bablo's stream once

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and he bought a braid with no cast boon

#

and i was like

#

why did you buy that

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and he said "why not it's 20 obols"

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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stonks

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

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"Don't mind me, I'm just tipping Charon for saving us time from encounters"

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

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ok time for me to return to reset hell

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

#

The underworld Uber pretty much

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

#

TD exclusive well item that adds 30 seconds when

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

#

👀

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

#

true

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what about a ferry pass

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a room skip ticket

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:11 AM

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That's the midshop

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:11 AM

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LOL

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:11 AM

#

lol

north dove Dec 8, 2020, 6:11 AM

#

While you're at it, add a well item that temporarily disables AP2

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Add a well item that disables sneakers in the EM4 fight

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:12 AM

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process: approved

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jar of dog treats to make superdad cerberus summon fail

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

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honest kernel Add a well item that disables sneakers in the EM4 fight

but zag doesnt wear any shoes bouldy

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

#

..

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

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honest kernel Add a well item that disables sneakers in the EM4 fight

Zag and dad are both already barefoot tho

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I swear

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

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lmao

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 6:13 AM

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"Privatized healthcare" item to remove benefits package for x rooms

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Ok that might be a bit too real for some

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:14 AM

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we need blood price 2

spring kettle Dec 8, 2020, 6:14 AM

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A strike item so dad doesn't summon enemies

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they can't be there because they're on strike

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

#

the pact names didn't used to all be workplace oriented in theme before welcome to hell

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and then they went hard

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I like that little touch, personnaly

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

#

same

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

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oh its good

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

#

Yeah big fan of like "The office" but it's smashing things in hell

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:15 AM

#

extreme measures is one of the better names

spring kettle Dec 8, 2020, 6:16 AM

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The afterlife is a bureaucracy, who knew

#

They made Zag a physical pentester to justify his escape attempts after the story

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 6:17 AM

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"Payroll audit" removing FO for x rooms

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:33 AM

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uh not complaining cuz i got a free crit off of hunter's mark

#

but one of hades' adds survived through the first part of phase 2?

#

is that an f10

reef heron Dec 8, 2020, 6:34 AM

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bruh I just saw Tailesques 46 mirrorless lmfao

#

Actually completely speechless

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:36 AM

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... I actually haven't seen it

#

brb

#

Oh god

#

Tailesque's savefile loading time is insane

#

Between the rooms before the run starts

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Or when he enters Erebus

#

Ouch

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Like in a good way?

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:43 AM

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It's bad

#

Like, takes 5 seconds to load

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:43 AM

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i can never do RTA on this file lmao

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

oof

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Mine by comparaison is like 1 second at most

#

Jesus

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Going from zag's room into Skelly is very long for me

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:48 AM

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yeah that's my worst one too

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 6:48 AM

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yep. and also the bull miniboss 😐

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I always know if i get butterfly ball or bull base on load time

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 6:48 AM

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same lol

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or if i'm about to get sack or an encounter

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:49 AM

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I can barely tell the difference lmao

#

I guess that's one advantage being newer to the scene lol

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Sack is all about if the music stops

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 6:49 AM

#

your computer just too good. I don't even have many runs.

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Or sound or whatever, I guess I have no music on

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

My in-game audio is usually somewhat low

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Since I run music in the background

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 6:52 AM

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is it bad that ive been playing since 1.0 only and mine already takes a sec to load

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

Considering you actually reset for speedruns

#

I'd say it's not surprising

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Why does that matter tho

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

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More resets = more escape attempts in the savefile

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More escape attempts = slower load time

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

ah, I suppose so

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Because of how Hades handles save recovery methods

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Forgot it tracks them all

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

Hmm Hmm

#

If it gets too thicc, it's gonna eventually slow down

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:04 AM

#

i just tested this with the codex menu mod. wow that is one fast shield.

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 7:04 AM

#

what changes, shield velocity?

#

how can you tell? it zips by anyway

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:05 AM

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velocity and acceleration, yeap

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it's SUPER fast. lol

#

you can't not tell

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 7:05 AM

#

do you have a recording

#

this could be slightly gamechanging for me

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

it's only really going to affect chaos/zag

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no recording. ehm. try it out yourself? 😛

ripe crane Dec 8, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Love the shield special with hermes boons and the extra bounces hammer. The acceleration gets nutty

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

hmm

#

i think i'd still take hyper sprint tbh

#

maybe i try epic flourish one day

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:09 AM

#

the way it works is. attack times has a base value of "0.7".
Epic has a 1 multplier.
common has 1.28.
So attack goes down by 1.28*0.7=0.896, roughly 10%

#

but shield speed is 1.3

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and acceleration is 2.1

#

so speed becomes 1.28*1.3 = 1.66

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and epic is just 1.3

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 7:09 AM

#

I wonder how that actually interacts with Zeus Shield

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:10 AM

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idk.. it changes the distance it landed away from me...

#

but i don't really notice anything funky

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

Hmm

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

and for beo. i rather have the throw time reduction

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

wait

#

so you're saying that epic is a 1x multiplier and common is 1.28?

#

i'm confused

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

yes

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

oh for the total time

#

i see

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

cause the base reduction is 0.7.

#

so a epic ends up at 1-(1*0.7 )= 30% reduction
common is a 1-(1.28*0.7)= 10.4% reduction

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but for speed/acceleration, it's >1... so the lower the boon rarity, the stronger

wraith imp Dec 8, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

honest kernel Tailesque's savefile loading time is insane

Interesting. I've been wondering what would happen once I eventually get up to 1,000+ runs. For instance, I'm playing on an Intel I7 4940K and Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080ti. (I've had them for 5 years and they've been super reliable.)

That said, I'm building a new PC with premium pc components this Saturday so it might not be a problem on the new high-end PC.

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 8:22 AM

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I don't know that it's a PC issue

#

lots of different speedrunners have noticed this issue using the same large volume save file as well

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Yeah I'd guess it's something else

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 9:39 AM

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@cedar spire if you're doing any more boonless runs, the leaderboard starts at 32 Heat. We have tabs for boonless, mirrorless, and boonless+mirrorless now. squirtnya

dire steppe Dec 8, 2020, 9:53 AM

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~~glad to know the leaderboard is inclusive of people like me~~

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:08 AM

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https://imgur.com/1yvZ5zA

Imgur

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I know this is not high heat

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But

#

People underestimate tempest strike

#

with Quick spin you wreck bosses

#

I'll fish for sea storm next run

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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do it again at 40 and i’ll believe you

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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I don't think it's tempest doing the work tho

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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tempest strike damage bonus smol

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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it's more quickspin

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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and serrated point tbh

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

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lv3 spins are really strong.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM

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are you two serious

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM

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yes? 56+40. what difference is it from heartbreak or something

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM

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oh true the epic wave pounding helps

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didn’t see that lol

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:12 AM

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rupture my dood

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:12 AM

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wait is a that bouldy boon

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:13 AM

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sure

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:13 AM

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okay i think we know what really won the run

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bouldy pog

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lol idk ig i undervalue rupture

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wait wtf

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how did i only just realise that’s RI4

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okay consider me considerably more convinced

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i am evidently blind

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:15 AM

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kek

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I'll tell you

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it's more of a joke since tempest strike is absolute garbage with GY

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on room clears at least

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And I wanted to relax a bit from 40

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:17 AM

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fair lol

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yeah i’m also relaxing from 40 atm

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i didn’t even stay up there that long, but it’s tiring lol

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:18 AM

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But in all that

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GY spin deals an insane amount of dmg

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:19 AM

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it does. hard to use in FO2 tho

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:19 AM

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yeah I know that lol

cedar thistle Dec 8, 2020, 11:19 AM

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artemis + massive spin is such huge dps

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:20 AM

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i don’t even spin with GY lol

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clearly i have much to learn

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:20 AM

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I think

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When you begin with it you spin

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then you don't since you die

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then you spin again

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 11:21 AM

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so i am not pro but also not noob

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could be worse

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 11:21 AM

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dont listen to the haters astaos, tempest strike is the way to go

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they hate you for telling the truth

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Ikr

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But all credit goes to Nyaanyaa

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ofc

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damn acronyms taking over

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 11:27 AM

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gaunt fiber But all credit goes to Nyaanyaa

simping nya WeirdChamp

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I'm serious

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that's not my strat

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but I have another one

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Charged skewer quick spin. Tempest flourish. See?

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Tempest Flourish is good.

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I wish EM4 was more enjoyable, really not a fan of the fight.

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I too, am not a fan of dying

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or getting superelite sneaked

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alright I'm going to work, cya all

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:33 AM

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the only thing I don't like is urns spawning while I'm dashing

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and adds

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and spear throw

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and "Darkness!"

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:34 AM

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and skulls.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:35 AM

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and these damn skulls

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:35 AM

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Those skulls are so annoying. I miss when Deflecting them made them disappear.

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Hades fight was more fun then.

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My best strategy so far is to stay in the upper half of the stage so he can't throw at me from off-screen (this is stupid) and not getting Doomstone summons.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:47 AM

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I see

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I'm a bottom right guy

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argh, two hits from Hades

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FO0 is so slow

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Cerberus summon is stupid. You're just guessing or using a Call or something to i-frame it.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Nah

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Bottom right safe spot

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Well this is how I do

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:53 AM

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It's not always safe, no.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:53 AM

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But you better be careful of Hades coming back after that lol

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From what I've seen it is most of the time

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when it's not, I dash

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and that's it

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:56 AM

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Yeah, I think I'll just go back to pretending EM4 doesn't exist. Stupid fight.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:56 AM

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haha

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I'm going for 32 mirrorless

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 11:57 AM

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There are so many things wrong with those Doomstones.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 11:58 AM

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"Resisted! Resisted! Resisted! Resisted! Resisted!"

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"There goes my shield"

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 12:00 PM

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"I'll just burst down . . . oh nevermind it disappeared again. Ah, now the other Doomstone is shooting me from off-screen. And Hades just dropped 4 skulls I have no time to do anything about. This is fine."

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 12:03 PM

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Idk if I should focus em

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I do both

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And I feel like ending phase 1 as quickly as possible is best

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 12:34 PM

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TD2 at 40 heat is quite comfy

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 12:41 PM

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is there a consensus on the best/easiest weapon to do boonless with?

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Should be hestia

edgy arrow Dec 8, 2020, 12:43 PM

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makes sense

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 12:43 PM

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proud jay TD2 at 40 heat is quite comfy

Yeah I like it. More time so you don't have to rush like an idiot, you can get any trial... Not to mention styx too

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 2:29 PM

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https://imgur.com/WtdXWtu

Imgur

solemn pulsar Dec 8, 2020, 2:32 PM

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what do you all use to edit video capture to upload it to YT? recorded by first 40 heat run last night

rancid stirrup Dec 8, 2020, 2:42 PM

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i threw away a 40 heat fist run with tartarus smoldering air on lernie
i swear i got worse ever since i finish the 40 heat rama eld

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I use streamlabs OBS. Its not the best but its pretty user friendly

solemn pulsar Dec 8, 2020, 2:46 PM

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oh that lets you edit the videos too? great

cold slate Dec 8, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Does anyone know what the theoretical max amount of heat you can do is?

rancid stirrup Dec 8, 2020, 2:54 PM

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what do you mean?

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max heat possible is 63 (64 in hell mode)

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current record is 57

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Its theoretically possible

rancid stirrup Dec 8, 2020, 2:56 PM

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we just need someone to clear 62 on rama so tailesque will one up that guy

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 2:57 PM

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@gaunt fiber congratulations! Making your sensei proud.

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With Heartbreak Flourish, too.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Thanks!

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I think 61 is possible. But its actually still so hard

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Of course heartbreak flourish

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I think it's actually much better than deadly flourish

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Of course.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:02 PM

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For a non GY player: I assume weak is just that valuable?

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Or do you value the early dmg over late game poms that much

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Weak is amazing

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And the early consistent damage just eases my mind

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With charged skewer

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I'm faster with heartbreak flourish up until Elysium

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(except if lucky heart rend ofc)

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 3:22 PM

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no unsubmitted weapons anymore on high heat spreadsheet

solemn pulsar Dec 8, 2020, 3:29 PM

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still a little new here, I see the spreadsheet in the pins, but I can't find the link to the run submission form

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 3:35 PM

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https://imgur.com/Jk6PXAl

Imgur

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this one was slower

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but a much better hades fight

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Poseidon call with rip current sure is amazing

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Maybe I'll try to push up the heat

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 3:48 PM

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proud jay no unsubmitted weapons anymore on high heat spreadsheet

Nice! Gj gj! dusa

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Always reliable to rep the forgotten aspects.

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 3:50 PM

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zag rail, nemesis, hera, and talos aren't bad anyway

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i was thinking of learning nem

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did you record it bablo?

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 3:54 PM

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they're up on the spreadsheet

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Quick submissions to the spreadsheet are so nice.

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Hopefully we can keep it that way. If somebody ends up abusing it, we might have to go back to verifying every run before it's added to the leaderboard.

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But I like it the way it is now.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:56 PM

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we are small enough that it works. thanks for setting it up nyaanyaa

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 3:57 PM

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and the hat boyo

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 3:57 PM

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oh yea thanks hat

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 3:57 PM

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RidiculousHat did most of the work tbh yeah. I just started the new spreadsheet and the categories.

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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gaunt fiber and the hat boyo

Show some respect to the name

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It's sir ridiculous hat, heathen

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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where is the sheet

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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its pinned

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Most of my 45s were done on EM4 I can give some thoughts on that fight at FO2 HL4 if anybody wants

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Plz

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Write an essay for us plebs

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The wiki is lacking

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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First step is

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Don’t get triple sneaks 🙂

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:31 PM

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bruh where is achilles

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:32 PM

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In your heart squirtyay

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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highest with zag shield is that low? what

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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zag shield can go higher

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but who wants to play that much zag shield

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:33 PM

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the person who wants a heat record

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:34 PM

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What’s the highest?

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:35 PM

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for zag shield?

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Oh lol in the spreadsheet it’s 34

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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if wobbles would record 😠

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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misty hamlet Don’t get triple sneaks 🙂

Wobbles pls :(

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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My zag spear is recorded 🙂

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It’s just also miserable

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:36 PM

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my 40 heat zag shield run was a breeze

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that aspect clears 50 ez (with good hammers)

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Submit it to sheet bablo

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It was on stream no?

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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yeah

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I’ve been having a rough time of it on 50 :/

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I am too slow a player I think

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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misty hamlet Most of my 45s were done on EM4 I can give some thoughts on that fight at FO2 HL...

Did you have DC2 on?

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Yea... My zag shield was tooootally a breeze... Not rage inducing at all

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@mossy zinc for many of them yes

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Not stuff like Arthur for obvious reasons

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i went for DC1 with arthur at 40

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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ewwww

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why?

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:38 PM

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since the plan is to find divine dash anyway

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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ohh

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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baj has done a boonless zag shield run at 44

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45*

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it just was off recording iirc

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im down to do zag shield after chaos 51

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might do haelians setup + PL just for the memes

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 4:41 PM

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will probably try to get some 40+ runs soon

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ok

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squint

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Eyy we got every weapon on the board

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Sick

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:47 PM

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no achilles though

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Oh is that seeded

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:48 PM

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No? I have a bad habit of not recording my low 40s anymore because "it's just low 40s anyway", that must have been one of them . . .

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:48 PM

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There's a seeded achilles

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No unseeded

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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oh that explains

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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It's you lol

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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ive a 40 heat unseeded but obvi achilles can go much higher

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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damn

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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45 EM4 on 9/21

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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was it for flurry iab

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jab

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pALaGeibaU

YouTube

babloization

45 heat EM4 clear with THE MEME BEAM

Highest heat EM4 clear so far?

Sorry for the low quality. Accidentally reset recording settings to default.

▶ Play video

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:49 PM

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meme beam should count

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I'm not sure if it's actually seeded or just unverifiable

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Well, it goes into seeded either way.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i believe its seeded. no save icon when he enters the dojo

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(still really cool tho)

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@shy plinth could you set the weapon index to only include unseeded since that's the standard format? I wouldn't know how to do that.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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do we include hell mode as well

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in the weapon index

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Yes. Hell mode is legal for unseeded.

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Oh I can do that sure

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:53 PM

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its legal but its a different category

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 4:53 PM

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mm that 45 heat meme beam run was totally seeded

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i even reset for an extra cast at chaos

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 4:53 PM

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rain sedge Show some respect to the name

Boyo is respect at its finest

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:54 PM

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if hell mode counts seeded should count too

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:54 PM

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No, Hell mode unseeded and normal mode unseeded are the same category. There's just also a Hell Mode tab, which I think @shy plinth added because . . . I actually don't know why lol.

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No, it shouldn't.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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its your sheet. you can make that decision

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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what makes hell mode and seeded similar?

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:55 PM

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mossy zinc No, Hell mode unseeded and normal mode unseeded are the same category. There's j...

Because you asked me I think lol

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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It's a general concensus to keep unseeded separate from seeded.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yea and hell mode and normal mode are kept separate as well

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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true fable what makes hell mode and seeded similar?

they are all different categories

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I can remove the tab

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@shy plinth I think I just said a column to indicate Hell mode, not an extra tab lol.

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Nobody has submitted hell mode anyway

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Boom it's gone

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Yeah, I think the tab just confuses people.

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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There never was a hell mode tab

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Illusions

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I think some of the submissions are hell mode, but they were before we added the option to the form.

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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i can see arguments for hell mode vs regular and seeded vs unseeded but either way i dont think it makes any sense to lump in seeded runs with unseeded runs

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I removed all the seeded runs from the index

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Which means a couple players fell off

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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all of retrash's runs are hell mode but idk how hard that it is to edit

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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It's not hard

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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shy plinth I removed all the seeded runs from the index

Thanks!

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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It is done

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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there's no bias against seeded in this channel

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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ty mr. hat

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:58 PM

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If anyone else needs to change a run to hell mode tag me or Nyaa

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And Nyaa that's changed on the form submissions

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Or Tailesque.

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Where it says "Normal" just replace with "Hell Mode"

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Or Tail!

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If he's not busy doing a 67 heat boonless mirrorless hell mode whatever

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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@daring hedge just so you know. ^ squirtnya

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Maybe doing a guan yu lc5 where every time you spin attack it hurts you

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Oh man... what's Amir gonna say when he sees that his baby is the last weapon not on the board

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Will we get the +200% back

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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wait so seeded runs completely gone?

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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They're still on the seeded tab

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Just not on the index

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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ah ok

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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is achilles amir's favorite?

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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He was talking about it on the hermes cup

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:00 PM

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@drowsy berry this is your chance. Achilles Aspect is not on the leaderboard yet. Do it. dusa

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Wait until I decide to run high heat again

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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he said it was underappreciated iirc

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Achilles is likely the weapon I'll run

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Achilles is my favorite spear 🙂

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Wow, m the Poseidon Aspect WR holder.

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And I don't even care for the aspect.

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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true fable wait so seeded runs completely gone?

it got relegated to one tab on the sheet and isn't allowed for leaderboard. and we wonder why no one does seeded

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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isn't it just another flurry jab weapon at 50

misty hamlet Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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But it can zip around like Superman

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Seeded has its own leaderboard.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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mossy zinc Wow, m the Poseidon Aspect WR holder.

On my way

honest kernel Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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proud jay isn't it just another flurry jab weapon at 50

I could see it being that way, TBH. I'm willing to experiment with other hammers, however

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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isnt poseidon record 51

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:02 PM

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We've been through this. If you want to submit seeded runs, go ahead.

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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true fable isnt poseidon record 51

Not if it ain't submitted. squirtdevious

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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submitted != WR

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Is there actually video of that 51?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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yes

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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yeah it's retrash

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Retrash's 51 was unverifiable for unseeded so it got wiped

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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oh wait yeah

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lmaooo

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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oh ok

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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first run of the day iirc

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Ha. Got 'em.

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m the best Poseidon player.

gaunt fiber Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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more

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Guys

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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i had higher poseidon clear in EA

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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thats the most dusas per second ive seen on a post

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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If we can get amir to get 5 sacced on his high heat run

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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dps if you will

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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proud jay i had higher poseidon clear in EA

That's, like, so last patch. squirtdevious

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:04 PM

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He will be induced to change the mechanics

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Oh my god

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This is our chance

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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There you go, there's a seeded index now

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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also isn't poseidon basically another zag sword

shy plinth Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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If anyone wants to do seeded runs it has its own board

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i start 40 heat poseidon sword with divine dash

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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thank you. a seeded index is a great compromise

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I may do achilles

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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proud jay also isn't poseidon basically another zag sword

What....?

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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it is if you turn on stygian soul and do owl pendant start mr ization

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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casts aren't great at high heat

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I didn't attack a single time during my Poseidon 40

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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true fable dps if you will

You're so punny.

rain sedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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proud jay casts aren't great at high heat

No I get that

mossy zinc Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Punny person.

proud jay Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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true fable it is if you turn on stygian soul and do owl pendant start mr ization

that's what i did

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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thats mostly what i was referencing haha

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:06 PM

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casts have to supplement damage with boons and poms....and AP + CF + UC exist

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i'd say RI but they can never run RI

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:07 PM

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At least casts get braid

sly remnant Dec 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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hey

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3 in 17 chance to own Pog

daring hedge Dec 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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easy

formal gust Dec 8, 2020, 5:08 PM

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so how much do you use casts with achilles on 40+

true fable Dec 8, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i want to make a braid advertisement