#h1-high-heat-strategies

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sly remnant
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he had like 5% hp left

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and i ended a hyper sprint right into a lernie bomb

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i hadn't seen a +1 cast all night

true fable
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this is why im learning shackle

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🙂

sly remnant
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if it had been any head but blue head

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or i ahdn't had mirage shot crossed out 3 times

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its a win

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easy

true fable
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tbh i've found that lernie is now the bottleneck for beowulf on high heat

sly remnant
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i agree

true fable
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if you can make it past lernie it's usually downhill

dire steppe
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it’s funny how downhill and uphill can both mean bad

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but downhill can also mean good

sly remnant
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that stage is so dangerous for wulf

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if you have mirage shot its a cakewalk

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but mirage shot before lernie at high heat is....

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ambitious

true fable
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do we sell hermes for boonless

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also is chaos allowed

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what are the gentleman's rules here

ripe crane
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no chaos

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no hermes

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no bouldy

true fable
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😦

ripe crane
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Also hermes is hard to not use, avoid him if possible

honest kernel
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Earlier, I said something along the lines of "When I play slower, I play better overall"

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I might need to implement this mentallity in my future runs

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I don't need to be the fastest : I just need to meet the timer's deadline

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And maybe survive if the timer does go down

north dove
ripe crane
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Still a boon

true fable
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neither is chaos 😦 but i probably shouldnt have taken chaos

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oh well

ripe crane
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Would be much less of a challenge with Chaos

true fable
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yeah

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i did it with no chaos the first time but literally got all my core boons forced

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it was a straight downgrade lol

ripe crane
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You will have many resets if trying for boonless

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About to enter Styx on 57 heat Hestia with one hammer (shotgun) and no extra dashes. Idk how I made it here without running out of time

honest kernel
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Are you streaming ?!? @ripe crane

ripe crane
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No I just decided to try one for fun l o l

honest kernel
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...

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Oh boi

ripe crane
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It's okay. The 4 extra heat came from adding EM4 :^)

honest kernel
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Good luck

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... oh

atomic sierra
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57 heat ???

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omg

honest kernel
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Shotgun vs EM4

ripe crane
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Not ideal

honest kernel
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... You can do it

true fable
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are we allowed to buy well items

ripe crane
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yes

true fable
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also i thought spread fire was your favorite hammer

honest kernel
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Don't see why not

true fable
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they're charon boons 🤑

ripe crane
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It is. But I got it in Elyseum. Not as useful after that xd

true fable
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also if you buy the pom slice it doesnt give you money

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i feel scammed

honest kernel
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It's a fruit slice what did you expect

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No golden core inside

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Unlike the full one

true fable
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im

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honestly thinking about just running shackle for beowulf at 50 heat and saving rolls for rush delivery

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is this stupid

honest kernel
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Probably

true fable
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rush delivery is so good

ripe crane
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I have greater haste, ichor from the well and hyper sprint. This is the only time I've ever liked hyper sprint.

honest kernel
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Insert Initial D theme

ripe crane
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Speaking of which, finally entering dad fight with 52 second left. Gonna turn on speedy speed boy for this one

true fable
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run ended by shotgunning spreaders

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RIP

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guess that's what i get for talking about it on discord

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breaking my rule

ripe crane
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Somehow ran out of time 😦

honest kernel
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That's EM4 for ya

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F

ripe crane
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It was phase 1

honest kernel
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What was your setup then lol

ripe crane
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Shackle and ares call

honest kernel
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Heat pact, is what I should have said

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Also Ares call is eh

ripe crane
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OH

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It is eh. Not even worth using

honest kernel
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Is it ?

ripe crane
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That's not entirely true, I used it to escape bad spots a few times

honest kernel
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oh

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I thought you talked about the heat setup lol

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Ares Call is OK as an "Oh crap" button

ripe crane
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The one I posted earlier was 40 heat

honest kernel
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Wait

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Was that your current run

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No it wasn't

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because EM4

ripe crane
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That run had everything except DC and one 1 each of JS and CP

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abd RI4

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er, not RI4

true fable
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is shackle the best setup now

honest kernel
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... For a second I assumed you only had one level of DC lol

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And was like "There's 1 heat missing"

true fable
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honestly starting to be sold on shackle + dash + call and hermes boons

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it makes AP2 slightly more stomachable

honest kernel
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Working on making it the best it can be

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On Zeus shield, it might legitimately be optimal

ripe crane
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I don't think shackle is good for more than a couple weapons tbh.

honest kernel
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But some weapons only really care about Attack or Special or Cast

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If your weapon doesn't care about at 'least 2 of these, chances are Shackles is weak

hollow lynx
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i can finally do my no-cast-boon cast run 😛

honest kernel
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or Aspect rather

ripe crane
honest kernel
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One dash Hestia

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Oh boi

true fable
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wouldnt shackle be better if you just have high base on all 3

honest kernel
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at 'least 2 of these *

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My bad

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So another weapon that could use it well could be ... Achilles Aspect ?

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or Hades Spear

true fable
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hades seems quite good

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with shackle

daring hedge
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i mean i've done shackles hades spear, it is indeed good

honest kernel
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ACTUALLY

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How good is it on Nemesis

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...

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Eventually, I need to try that

ripe crane
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Explosive fire into epic artemis attack into Erebus heart is a good first 3 rooms with RI3 AP2

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Where's Schad so he can see all the luck I've stolen from him

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Wow I can actually take off shackle now. That's exciting!

proud jay
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dd might be worth it on guan yu at 40

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you can kinda heal high enough where you don't get one-shot

honest kernel
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Still gotta watch out for some BP rooms

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But for real, this might be the buffer Guan-Yu needs for later bosses

true fable
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still need to adjust to the idea of spin being decent

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bablo isn't it ungodly late/early in finland

north dove
honest kernel
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Poggers

true fable
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congrats on the clear retrash nectar

north dove
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GY without charged skewer too

true fable
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yeah 1 hammer?

north dove
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and quick spin but who cares about that

daring hedge
north dove
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Congrats!

daring hedge
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thank you!

true fable
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the return

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nice one!

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did you buy the meta reward again haha

daring hedge
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i've been lamenting my lack of time to play recently but i'm glad i could fit this one in

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i did not shadegrief

hollow lynx
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one of these days tail is gonna flex on us by picking up charon's card too

daring hedge
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i'm so used to ignoring charon sack that i hadn't even considered that

true fable
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is explosive shot the sole reason for AP1 LOL

daring hedge
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lmao honestly true, i would reset if explosive got forced on me

tidal flame
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Yeehaw indeed

daring hedge
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but i mainly take it because i try to keep special open

tidal flame
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Y'all are crazy lol

daring hedge
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losing shared suffering damage hurts

honest kernel
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CREPES JUST DID 56 HEAT WITH HESTIA

tidal flame
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Alright I'm going in with 50 Heat Zag Bow boonless tomorrow

honest kernel
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THE MAD LAD

daring hedge
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WHEW

tidal flame
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Hold up what

honest kernel
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He's live

true fable
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having 2 56 heat clears is quite nice

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just some god gamers out here

ripe crane
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Job's done

tidal flame
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damn sonnnnn

daring hedge
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congrats!!

north dove
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what the heck, 56 boonless 👀

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well shackles*

honest kernel
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Kept Shackles the entire run

daring hedge
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shackle is so legit lol

true fable
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yeah big PP too

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very large PP

daring hedge
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the greatest reflex with AP2

honest kernel
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Into upgrade it in Asphodel

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That was pog

true fable
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the gambol

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except it wasnt a gambol

honest kernel
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Only had a Demeter special at that point yeah

tidal flame
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tfw most boons can't compete with Shackle lol

ripe crane
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Previous run would've made it and it didn't have shackle, got epic artemis attack in chamber 2. But I ate an entire dad laser as the end of phase 2 xd.

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Don't mind showing off the power of shackle + AP tho

honest kernel
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As long as you can invest into poms and synergies, Boons will beat Shackles no problem

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It's when you can't reliably get those rolling that Shackles becomes a solid option

ripe crane
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Yup. Really makes up for lack of choices.

true fable
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it's just tough because you need poms and boons lol

ripe crane
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Also sorry Baj, this probably means Tail is gonna be on the grind for 57 👀

honest kernel
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I need the competition

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I'll go even

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Then go on an Hellmode savefile

daring hedge
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lol

ripe crane
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Don't think I missed that 51 boneless mr tail

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I did miss all the convo about it tho lemme scroll up

ripe ether
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Just wanted to toss this out there. Y’all are op af

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Keep it up

true fable
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i like my runs like i like my pizza

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boneless

honest kernel
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For real it feels like I'm falling behind super fast

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... Even tho it shouldn't be that way because I have barely been on the high heat scene for 1 month

true fable
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yeah man you're 1 heat behind

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washed up

daring hedge
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baj i promise you getting 55 with zeus shield super quickly after setting out to do it is very far from falling behind

honest kernel
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I know it isn't

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But it still feels that way

daring hedge
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i unfortunately know that feeling though

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i haven't played as much lately so that's kinda been hanging over me as well

honest kernel
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But for today : Big props to both Tailesque and Crepes

ripe crane
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Dang we got some BIG cheevos tonight. Very cool and good 51 boneless. Enjoy holding onto that until I start playing Eris squirtdevious

honest kernel
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...

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How well would I do with Chaos aspect

ripe crane
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it bad

true fable
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maybe it is time to return to chaos

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ignore my username

ripe crane
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I wonder if I can go down to RI2 and add EM4. Is that even possible? Seems possible. But barely.

honest kernel
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Dunno if the damage's there

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But considering how much time you had in today's clear ...

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There's a chance

ripe crane
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You get to add boiling blood I guess

honest kernel
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Extra dash

ripe crane
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Surely that will make up all the time needed

honest kernel
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It legit could, on bosses

ripe crane
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Oh yeah. I had three dashes with RI3. Why would I want to go back to two dashes with RI2?

honest kernel
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Or some of it

true fable
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boiling blood is huge

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that would be 58 with PL?

honest kernel
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58, yes

ripe crane
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Yes

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Could take off a CP for 57. I'm gonna wait and see what you guys do tho 😛

honest kernel
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That moment when I go straight to 57 with CP2

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And don't even have the Hellmode activated yet

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For the moment, need to play around more with DDs

north dove
honest kernel
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Holy mother of meme beam machines

ripe crane
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D:< where is your DODGE

daring hedge
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yeah come on retrash you need to lean into dodge memes

north dove
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I tried but I couldn't resist the rush

honest kernel
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The more I look at it

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The more this run is insane

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The heck

true fable
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yeah

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the divine flourish sell is what gets me

honest kernel
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^

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On top of full on TRIPLE DUO that also merge well with the gameplay (Memes included)

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Also Triple epic Hermes boon, with the dodge chance one in there

true fable
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epic rush delivery is so good lol

north dove
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17 min EM4 too

honest kernel
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EM4 CP1

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Jesus

true fable
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retrash without AP

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i am afraid

ripe crane
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What do y'all think of a field for victory screen pic (like an imgur link, not the actual picture) on the high heat spreadsheet

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Other suggestion would be a formula field that just adds a little indication if something is the highest heat for a particular aspect

daring hedge
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i'd agree with that, yeah. would be nice for those who are simply browsing through the sheet and might want an idea of what the high heat builds look like without necessarily watching the video or skipping to the end screen in that video

shy plinth
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Would be glad to do the formula thing

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Can do an image link too, probs more graceful than doing an actual image attach

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Or should we have an aspect leaderboard

ripe crane
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Naw, not enough activity for that

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Oh

shy plinth
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Can just add a couple columns to the player index page and do a weapon index as well

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Highest heat cleared and who did it

ripe crane
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Like a separate tab that just pulls the highest heat for each? That could be nice

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hmmm

true fable
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it would just become hestia/rama/zeus shield and then whatever 6 weapons retrash likes that week

shy plinth
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Have it for players already

true fable
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LOL

shy plinth
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Let me mock it up

daring hedge
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yeah, as long as the sheet itself doesn't divide into the separate aspects

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which would be a bit much

shy plinth
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Prefer per weapon over per aspect? Doable

true fable
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can we get that korean nemesis player in here btw

ripe crane
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Yeah this shouldn't get overly complicated. But a separate "Aspect Leaderboard" could be cool with just each of the 24 aspects and the highest run

true fable
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i like that person

daring hedge
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and they did that nem run with kb+m too

true fable
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insane

daring hedge
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one of the few high heat kb+m players

true fable
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i saw they also did hades spear unseeded

tidal flame
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who runs mkb?

honest kernel
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Still funny to see KBM players being so rare lol

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I do

true fable
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i do

honest kernel
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Lilly in the speedrunning scene also runs KBM

true fable
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so does sussman

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dang i thought that was gonna be a spartacus moment

daring hedge
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oh interesting, didn't know lilli was kbm

true fable
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where all the high heat kbm players came out of the woodwork

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oh tyler does too

true fable
daring hedge
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ah yeah that's gotta be nice to have

true fable
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was really big since they got cluster bomb first hammer in the WR run i think

honest kernel
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Watching the video live

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Can confirm

true fable
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baj are you learning eris

honest kernel
true fable
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let me know what you figure out for reload

honest kernel
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Probably sticking with R lol

true fable
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i dont like it on R but cant do lshift without destroying my pinky

honest kernel
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Am afraid I won't be of much help

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Sorry

true fable
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maybe its time for me to push above 40 heat 😅

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should i be fully charging shots on chiron?

honest kernel
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It's extra damage

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Why not

true fable
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fair enough

shy plinth
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If anyone wants to check out the player index tab, there's a weapon index there too

honest kernel
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Looks clean to me

shy plinth
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Retrash likes weird weapons

honest kernel
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Hmm Hmm

true fable
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yup

honest kernel
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Mad lad did 54 Zag sword

true fable
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wow

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now im sad that i added that 32 heat speedrun

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maybe i should just save that for the speedrun boards haha

honest kernel
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Hey it counts as high heat

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Don't feel bad about it

shy plinth
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Both indexes automatically sort things that are actually submitted so it's not going to list aspects with no entries

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But I'm sure somebody will get some talos fists runs going

true fable
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yeah i would say there should be a tab for speed if there werent already a website for it

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we just need wobbles to submit his talos 45

honest kernel
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"Thanks Hermes"

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10/10 note

shy plinth
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Looks like we're missing hera, talos, zag fists, zag rail, zag shield, nemesis

honest kernel
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Man

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I really should have recorded my 45 boonless zag shield lmao

ripe crane
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I have a zag fist to submit rn

true fable
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you really shouldve haha

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i'm down to try hera

shy plinth
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Oh also if anyone sees bold on the date fields, that means recorded within last day

ripe crane
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n1ce

true fable
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non-rama bows feel tough sometimes

north dove
honest kernel
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This man out there making the Gilgamesh meta like

ripe crane
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It's not gonna work dude. Amir said he only like 40 heat streakers.

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Gotta turn it down a little

true fable
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im upset

north dove
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Hmm but 45 is a bigger number

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That run was actually closer than it should have been, stepping on pots left and right zaglol

honest kernel
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Thy ⚱️ beckons

north dove
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I should exclusively streak 45 heat gilga just to spite Bablo squirtdevious

honest kernel
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If you really want to spite him

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Just survive BP witches room

true fable
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streak only gilga, arthur, and GY in rotation

north dove
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Arthur 😬

true fable
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why do i get boon rng when i play random ass weapons

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how am i full build out of tartarus

ripe crane
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Not even 15.6% dodge chance smh

north dove
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man you even got that ME setup

true fable
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i took a chaos by mistake 🤦

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yeah ME, deadly reversal

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could even get vengeful mood if im feelin it

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i even got offered bad news in the next room

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i get bad news maybe 1/10 times on beowulf

ripe crane
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I've seen bad news twice ever

true fable
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im still so used to dodging encounters

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i guess encounters are good for lambent plume

ripe crane
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yup

true fable
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aight

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i have had

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bad news

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offered 4 separate times

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instead of second wind

ripe crane
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impressive

charred pecan
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(On high heat in general. I lost this run)

north dove
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Don't do EM4 with CP2 would be my first tip

shy plinth
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No tight deadline seems significant

charred pecan
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CP makes hades that much worse, huh?

north dove
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Yup

true fable
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yeah that's a lethal combination

north dove
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I probably wouldn't run EM4 at all for 32 but if you still want the 4 heat from that you shouldn't take any CP or FO

true fable
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give it your best shot. if theres a weapon that can do it it's mirage shot beowulf

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is that sudden rush/charged shot?

charred pecan
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Got a bad roll on the anvil

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and my hammer

true fable
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those are both really good beowulf hammers

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they're just kind of anti synergy

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your casts will pop out super quick

charred pecan
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Charged shot being the one that shoots my cast, right?

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I had so much trouble landing my casts

true fable
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yeah that's the sudden rush working its magic

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both are super good on their own but very hard to control together

charred pecan
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is tight deadline insignificant enough to be unnoticable? Someone mentioned TD

north dove
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TD1 is free as long as uou don't dawdle on rooms

shy plinth
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I don't know what your run time is but TD1 is clearing under 36 minutes

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I actually take a lot of traits that you don't have - CF, UC, TD

charred pecan
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Normally sub 36 is done in my sleep. Heat 32 might be a different story but I can try

shy plinth
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I did not enjoy trying to clear EM4 on 32 so I went for other heats

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What's that run running at now

true fable
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tight deadline is much easier than you think it is

shy plinth
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Oh you already finished it

true fable
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CF is really really bad for beowulf IMO

shy plinth
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You do need a crazy amount of boons

true fable
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for beowulf take either CF or UC but not both

charred pecan
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That run I posted above was 32 heat if that's what you're asking

shy plinth
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I meant time-wise

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You don't have the timer on

true fable
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or just be retrash and get charged dread flight with a heroic special

charred pecan
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Ahh that's what you meant. I have no clue where time was there

ripe crane
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Y'all didn't tell me how quiet my mic was

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smh

true fable
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i thought it was aight

ripe crane
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O

true fable
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we heard you just fine

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🙂

ripe crane
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I guess I just mumble a lot xd

true fable
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also i got every duo in my pool

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wtf

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deadly reversal chamber 19 into merciful end chamber 20

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i thought zag fists were bad

ripe crane
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+15% chance to dodge bad builds

north dove
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Zag fists are blessed by rng apparently

true fable
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and then vengeful mood just for fun in elysium

charred pecan
rancid stirrup
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TD2 and UC imo

ripe crane
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EM4 is pain. Don't use EM4. TD2 and UC, yes.

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Probably turn down jury summons for something else. Maybe hard labor or convenience fee.

true fable
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TD2, UC, take out AP1 (personal bias) and just go cold turkey into LC instead of doing jury summons 3

ember cobalt
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EM4 with HL5 and FO2

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Just because

true fable
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Edo stop

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LOL

edgy arrow
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you don’t need AP1 at 32

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but like, you can if you want

true fable
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AP1 is masochistic

edgy arrow
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lol

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we in the high heat channel

true fable
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LC4 is fine once you learn to be a bit more careful in boss fights

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should be ok with HL1

edgy arrow
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it’s all just different kinds of masochism here

north dove
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Athena will become your best friend once you go LC4

charred pecan
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W-wait. Lc4!? Really are you sure!?

ember cobalt
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Why not max out all of them then

edgy arrow
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i think whether LC4 is worth it at 32 is a bit six to one half a dozen to the other

ember cobalt
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No kill like overkill, right

rancid stirrup
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LC4 is not as bad as it sounds when you use SD

true fable
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the strategy is to go LC4 with stubborn defiances

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using your stubborn defiances to pseudoheal

edgy arrow
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^

north dove
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The LC4 strat is to run SD and suicide at the end of rooms if you're below the threshold

true fable
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takes some getting used to but is generally the way to go on high heat unless you're interpretive twerking or wobbles

charred pecan
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I see but, I've grown so used to my normal defiances

true fable
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or i guess baj is doing DDs now

edgy arrow
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the switch can be a little rough ngl

rancid stirrup
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for my 32 i picked no heats that would affect dad and go LC4

true fable
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if you're used to DDs just go DDs

edgy arrow
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but you gotta do it at some point if you wanna go beyond 32

north dove
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Athena can give you extra DDs if you lose your SD right before receiving her boon

edgy arrow
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unless you’re wobbles

true fable
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or interpretive twerking

edgy arrow
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you have to already have an athena boon tho

true fable
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i think both of them use DDs

edgy arrow
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oh for real?

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there’s two of them

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it’s spreading

charred pecan
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Retrash do you mean to say you can have multiple defiances even with SD?

true fable
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yes

north dove
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Yup

true fable
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it is

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sick

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why athena is basically a must-pick unless you're doing a niche strat

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or very comfortable with what you have

edgy arrow
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she’s practically a must pick for half the aspects anyway

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but yeah

rancid stirrup
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oh yeah i've been wondering about that
let's say i'm running an LC4 rama with crit and didn't get aphro in tartarus

should i grab athena or aphro in aspho

edgy arrow
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if you’re running aphro keepsake, you will see aphro in tartarus

rancid stirrup
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i usually go athena because DD and dash, with potential for exposed

edgy arrow
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unless you’re actually trying to avoid her

charred pecan
#

Its so intimidating to think about LC4 that I'd almost rather pick up RI 1. Almost since I fully understand the grave scale of consequences that come with RI 1

true fable
#

RI1 is terrible

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do not do it

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especially on beowulf

edgy arrow
#

RI1 is actually a trap lol

#

half my early 32s used it

#

turned it off on advice from folks here and never looked back

charred pecan
#

I use whatever dark thirst drives me to (Except gun)

edgy arrow
#

gun is very good

rancid stirrup
#

no i mean
if i pick artemis in tartarus and didn't get aphro in it
should i keepsake aphro or athena

true fable
#

a fellow gamer of culture

north dove
#

HL0 LC4 is actually safer than HL1 LC1

true fable
#

true

ember cobalt
#

RI is only worth turning on to fulfill the prophecy for winning a run with every condition

rancid stirrup
#

yeah

true fable
#

mixing HL and LC with DDs is just death by 1000 papercuts

ember cobalt
#

After that, ignore it and never again

rancid stirrup
#

stubborn gives a lot of leeway

edgy arrow
true fable
#

retrash are you going to go for a 40 streak or just keep racking up gilgamesh clears on bablo

edgy arrow
#

but remember once you hit four other gods you’re guaranteed to never see athena

#

unless you force her later, but that means no acorn

north dove
#

I'll try streaking 45 every aspect but it probably won't last long with EM4

true fable
#

yeah i feel that

rancid stirrup
#

...i value athena more than acorn on elysium i think

true fable
#

very little margin for error

#

streaking high heat forces you to think a lot differently

edgy arrow
#

i take her in elysium over acorn sometimes yeah

true fable
#

when i was doing beowulf 40 it was just like "oh i'll just reset if i dont see artemis"

rancid stirrup
#

most of the time i lost my acorn to thesius driveby anyway

edgy arrow
#

lol i didn’t even use arty for beo 40

true fable
#

dont stand in the middle of the road 😅

north dove
#

At least I can use AP0 dusa

true fable
#

AP0 feels so nice

#

i was trying in vain to do poseidon cast builds with AP1

#

cleared it after two tried on AP0

rancid stirrup
#

...wait, the sides is safer?

#

damn

true fable
#

well he has a tell whenever hes gonna gun

edgy arrow
#

i turned off AP for a 32 yesterday, and i picked up my first boon and just looked at the three options for a few seconds, waiting for one to be struck out

true fable
#

you can just dodge to either side of the arena and he just goes straight through the middle

spring kettle
#

I, why does everyone hate routine inspection in here?

rancid stirrup
#

it has a sound cue?

#

alright i'll watch out for that

spring kettle
#

I thought it felt pretty bad, but so does every condition that weakens you

edgy arrow
#

dark foresight is really really good

charred pecan
#

Question: Authority or Persuasion? I usually rock the latter.

true fable
#

routine inspection turns off rerolls and dark foresight

#

persuasion is for real gamers

north dove
#

RI = less boons less health less fun

rancid stirrup
#

i'm too used to fight them on autopilot that they just destroyed me with FO2

spring kettle
#

You can still get some rerolls back from chthonic keys in run

true fable
#

it's not worth

#

more boons is better than less boons

#

it also means much fewer health and poms

charred pecan
edgy arrow
spring kettle
#

Oh, so added strength from more boons is always good, especially in high heat?

north dove
#

I never did boonless 45 tho thanthink

edgy arrow
#

wait wasn’t that you

#

who was it then

true fable
edgy arrow
#

that’s right it was crepes

#

i remember now

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my b

#

yeah fated authority basically exists only for boonless runs

spring kettle
#

Meme level boons and a ton of a health runs too

edgy arrow
#

sure lol

#

basically just memes

#

which is a pretty fair niche tbh

true fable
#

dang i was on 4 win streak at 32 chasing dark thirst

#

GY is next 💀

#

someone call the build, heart rend or merciful end

shy plinth
#

Sweet nectar

true fable
#

abso-LUTely not

charred pecan
shy plinth
#

Also heart rend

#

Get that skewer

true fable
#

still dont know why youd want AP1

#

JS1 or 2 isnt too scary

charred pecan
#

I'd rather AP1 because I'm running TD2

true fable
#

CF2 will gimp you a lot

rancid stirrup
#

how does ME GY works

charred pecan
#

JS might threaten my time

true fable
#

might

#

whats your average clear time on 0 heat

charred pecan
#

Let me see

true fable
#

guestimate it

#

like 20 minutes?

true fable
#

dash attack twice to stack the doom and activate with divine flourish or dash

true fable
#

sold to the highest bidder

rancid stirrup
#

ooh i see

charred pecan
#

Just checked my fastest times. Fastest I've done is apparently 23:09:44

shy plinth
#

Also if you change your mind and go sweet nectar don't forget you can double dip into EA

charred pecan
#

on aspect of nemesis

true fable
#

hmm that could be a little bit tough then

charred pecan
#

I don't recall if I was rushing

#

I'm usually lax

true fable
#

you know about free rooms and all that?

north dove
#

That looks fine to me, give it a try

mossy zinc
#

Not fair, I've had a 5-win streak at 40.

charred pecan
#

vaguely? If I enter a Chaos or erebus gate before the final shop I get that room free, right?

edgy arrow
#

how long of a streak at 40 do you need for it to be a streak

#

i’ve done quick math a 1 win streak at 40

true fable
#

i guess 21

north dove
#

2 wins is a streak

edgy arrow
#

ezpz

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(he said, lying)

north dove
mossy zinc
#

21 means I only have to play one sword aspect.

charred pecan
rancid stirrup
#

pausing the game when you're picking rooms and picking rooms like chaos/events/shops really cuts down the time

charred pecan
#

Oh those rooms, yeah I know em

edgy arrow
#

5 = golden rings

true fable
#

chaos is "sort of" a free room since the timer still runs

#

and you take a pretty heavy penalty

rancid stirrup
charred pecan
#

But npc rooms and shops are free, ye?

true fable
#

100% yes

edgy arrow
#

^

true fable
#

NPC rooms stop timer

#

shops do not

edgy arrow
#

HL2 is alright

true fable
#

it is 100% worth HL2 to take away AP

mossy zinc
rancid stirrup
#

aight

mossy zinc
#

That should help.

mossy zinc
#

JS3 with BP2 is not fun.

north dove
#

HL5 JS0

true fable
#

JS3 TD3 is also very miserable

rancid stirrup
#

my biggest wall right now is the heroes

#

...and yeah JS3 TD3 is misreable but giving up in tartarus doesn't feel as bad

true fable
#

tartarus isnt the problem, elysium is

#

going into elysium with <2 mins on the clock is just asking to die to timer

rancid stirrup
#

oh alright

north dove
#

Every extra elite greatshield you fight will make you regret taking JS

tight flax
#

Any Tips for Max extreme Measure Hades fight.

true fable
#

makes you really feel it when zag says "wait there's more of them?"

tight flax
#

I can get to the fight no issue. but the fight itself is difficult

north dove
#

It's a tough fight so practice is really the only answer

true fable
#

if you really want to do that fight practice is the way

tight flax
#

Okay. I beat it once out of 8 tries. With thr aspect of Arthur.

true fable
#

but you really dont have to until like 40+ heat

tight flax
#

If I do like 40 heat. Will it give me the rewards for the lower heat.

true fable
#

yeah

#

so let's say it says "fill gauge up to 7" or something

#

if you do 40, it'll give you those rewards

#

and then say "fill gauge up to 8"

tight flax
#

I been literally doing this the long way thinking I wouldnt get the titanic Blood.

#

Titan

true fable
#

sad

#

died to timer on GY

#

i dont know how to spin and make that weapon go fast

mossy zinc
#

What heat?

true fable
#

32

#

was running a pretty standard heat setup but dont recall the specifics

#

a healthy amount of JS and the usual suspects

mossy zinc
#

JS0 is a healthy amount of JS at 32.

true fable
#

that's fair

#

think it was probably 1/2

#

not used to spinning on this weapon

mossy zinc
#

Just build for either Heart Rend or Merciful End.

true fable
#

yeah i built for heart rend and didnt get it

mossy zinc
#

Spin isn't such a big factor, you could just ignore it if you're not used to it. Takes practice.

true fable
#

even with natural aphro in tartarus

#

it was kind of sad

#

maybe i should have forced aphro instead of athena

mossy zinc
#

Eh, should have been fine either way. I probably would have gone for Divine Dash in Asphodel or just Acorn.

#

Can also just build for Deadly Reversal.

true fable
#

i got divine dash

#

sadly never saw another aphro boon

unique zephyr
#

Is it OK to ask about 16 heat set ups even though that's way lower heat than everyone else is doing? I just need some help

true fable
#

i'll give it another shot another day

#

yeah ofc

unique zephyr
#

I'm running EM3 and TD1 or TD2 for sure

true fable
#

maybe i just go merciful end

unique zephyr
#

depending on weapon

true fable
#

sure ok

unique zephyr
#

Also middle management and probably underworld customs

#

not sure what else to fill it in with

#

like jury summons vs lasting consequences

#

vs convenience fee

#

not sure if convenience fee is bad with underworld customs

mossy zinc
#

I dunno, I did Thunder Flourish at 32 just fine without timing out lol. Just do some speedruns for practice, maybe.

true fable
#

JS1 is basically unnoticeable

mossy zinc
#

Special > Dash-Strike x 2 is your optimal rotation.

unique zephyr
#

even on tight deadline?

#

i'll try jury summons 1

true fable
#

give it a shot

#

yeah i think i need to get more used to the weapon

unique zephyr
#

I hope it will still work with TD2

shy plinth
#

For 16s I'm a fan of CF1 EM3 BP1 MM UC TD2

true fable
#

it didnt feel bad i just didnt go fast enough tbh

unique zephyr
#

I'll try that set up that seems good, RidiculousHat

true fable
#

or if i went fast i took a lot of dmg and got scared squirtheh

#

yeah thats a good setup

#

can adjust as needed

unique zephyr
#

I'm doing basically the same one run but LC1 instead of CF1

true fable
#

CF1 may be worse for weapons that require tons and tons of boons

mossy zinc
#

Maybe you were focusing too much on making the spin work somehow instead of just focusing on killing everything without taking damage in first place.

unique zephyr
#

I'll try CF1 or JS1 instead

#

if this fails

#

or for other weapons

shy plinth
#

Yeah JS1 works fine too

true fable
#

that's probably it

#

maybe i spin less

unique zephyr
#

i am doing lasting consequences for arthur sword

#

bc I have more durability with it anyway

true fable
#

why not hard labor

unique zephyr
#

hard labor buffs the bosses

#

including the final boss

#

i may try that though? idk

mossy zinc
#

Sounds like good practice. HL5, let's go. squirtnya

unique zephyr
#

final boss and EM3 with more damage seems rough

true fable
#

LOL

#

also i dont know if you saw but crepes got 56 while you were out

unique zephyr
#

I hope I can someday reach 32 heat

#

that's my goal

#

but I'm rising up slowly

#

so far I did 8 heat with all weapons and 11 with fists

#

damage shield is free with fists

#

at least so far

mossy zinc
#

Ain't no such thing as free heat.

unique zephyr
#

trying for 16 all weapons now

mossy zinc
#

Well, TD1 is free on everything at any heat.

unique zephyr
#

I was gonna say TD1

#

lol

#

I was scared of TD1 but it's not bad at all

#

Funnily enough I got my time record doing TD1, my only sub 20 clear

#

but I don't need to play any differently really for TD1

honest kernel
#

if a run was gonna take longer than td1 allows I wouldn't want to finish it

unique zephyr
#

The DPS is probably too bad to even win if you failed TD1

#

even on bad runs I still get 30 mins or so

#

well, bad runs that I actually clear

#

but yeah I don't even really need to be that careful about time when I do TD1

#

TD2 I try for more free rooms and mid shops (and sometimes Chaos)

#

but TD1 doesn't affect my decision making with rooms at all

#

If I ever go to 32 heat or even a heat that's high for me but lower than that can I ask about set ups and such

#

32 heat will be...interesting to say the least

#

im just wanting to get better for my own personal development, this is my first hack and slash game really, I started on God Mode to tell the truth because chronic pain and stuff but I turned it off and now I have 8 heat non god mode on all weapons

#

and 11 fists

#

I have cleared Guan Yu twice on 0 heat too just to see if I could since I was so scared to use it for a long time

#

Guan Yu's asset seems to be the special, the spin attack feels like it sucks even with the hammer

#

it heals so pitifully

#

I know it bypasses lasting consequences but still

#

are there any guan yu experts here

#

I do like Rama a lot, it feels fun

#

demeter fists are my fastest and highest completed heat weapon so far though

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

artemis special is just silly on demeter, big fan

mossy zinc
#

@unique zephyr have you watched Wriste13's speedrun guide? Should be very helpful for dealing with TD3.

unique zephyr
#

I never tried a boonless run, I don't feel skilled enough for it

#

I haven't seen Wriste13's videos, I can't even do TD3 without any other heat tbh

#

my fastest time is like 18 mins

#

none of my other clears have been sub 20 but that one

true fable
#

well the guide should help

unique zephyr
#

is it on youtube?

mossy zinc
mossy zinc
unique zephyr
#

how would I heal at all with the spin attack without taking more damage in return?

#

the healing feels like it sucks

#

spin attack feels hard to use even with the hammer

#

without the hammer it feels garbage

mossy zinc
#

No, it's good, but I wouldn't worry about it if you're not used to the weapon and just practice using Special and Dash-Strikes to clear rooms without getting hit.

#

Special > Dash-Strike x2 is the optimal rotation for DPS.

unique zephyr
#

I'll do the dash strike thing then. Once I do get used to it how do you make the most use out of the healing attack

mossy zinc
#

Though obviously, you don't always want to do the two Dash-Strikes. Dashing into armored enemies about to hit you isn't healthy lol.

unique zephyr
#

yeah armored enemies are more dangerous especially with benefits package

mossy zinc
#

You just charge spin when a new wave is spawning or for the last 1–2 enemies in a wave, mainly.

#

Depends on enemy type, too.

#

Some are just easier to use as a dummy to steal HP.

true fable
#

nyaanyaa and tailesque are the only two people in this channel who havent said a bad thing about GY

mossy zinc
#

FO2 or Speeder Louts are probably not a good idea to try lifesteal from lol.

#

Thugs are easy heals, though.

#

Unless it's like a gang of Thugs, then you gotta be a lot more careful.

true fable
#

armored enemies feel a bit tough for me on GY

unique zephyr
#

I wish I had tailesque's skills

#

I saw some of their videos

#

i admire that kind of skill lol

#

my highest completed is 10 heat, I'm working on 16 for each weapon

#

I have 8 for all weapons, 10 for fists

rain sedge
#

GY sucks, see: bablo's 40 heat streak yesterday

true fable
#

curse of drowning talos? kind of fun

#

curse of drowning sea storm talos? even more fun

rain sedge
true fable
#

kind of lucked into natural poseidon and ares in tartarus

mossy zinc
#

bablo sucks with Guan Yu. squirtnya

true fable
#

it was more of an on the fly thing than something planned out

#

LOOOOL

#

the death was a bit unfortunate

rain sedge
proud jay
#

I can go fast with it

#

But not survive

rain sedge
#

oh no nya he was lurking

#

you're in trouble nooooww

mossy zinc
#

m not scared of him lol.

rain sedge
mossy zinc
#

@proud jay I think you have a fan lol.

rain sedge
#

we don't like using the F word here D:

mossy zinc
#

Basically, you just gotta no-hit chambers with it. Somewhat similar to Hestia in that regard, I suppose. Your Special has wider AOE to clear any projectiles coming your way, though.

#

Also why I don't like DC on it. You can't just one-shot things.

true fable
#

what's the F word? fast?

pearl blaze
#

fun

mossy zinc
#

You practically triple some enemies' HP by taking DC2.

true fable
#

yeah i think im gonna try again when im less spin happy

#

for now im happy with curse of drowning sea storm talos

waxen relic
#

New Spreadsheet looks really cool BTW, but that Player-index could use some sorting function

shy plinth
#

Prefer highest heat on top?

waxen relic
#

I guess?

shy plinth
#

I'm not really sure what sorting makes sense but I can implement it pretty easily

mossy zinc
#

Hmmm. That makes it a leaderboard rather than a player index.

shy plinth
#

Yeah I kinda wanted to avoid the leaderboard thing

rain sedge
#

no one did talos yet? really?

mossy zinc
#

I think alphabetically is fine.

rain sedge
#

I might actually buy a PC version and take some things up

mossy zinc
#

We did Talos in Early Access.

rain sedge
#

and didnt see crepes did 56

shy plinth
#

Yeah 5 weapons with no 1.0 submissions

mossy zinc
#

Wobbles did 45 all aspects.

waxen relic
#

Hmm I guess just a name list can work too

mossy zinc
#

A lot of runs that aren't on the board yet.

waxen relic
#

I do have a Zag-shield recording, but it'd take 9 hours to upload it

mossy zinc
#

Ouch.

shy plinth
#

That's a lot of hours

mossy zinc
#

Maybe do it when you go to sleep?

true fable
#

baj has an unfortunately unrecorded 45 heat zag shield boonless run

waxen relic
#

Foe 30min video length

shy plinth
#

I have a theory that the list of unsubmitted weapons will shrink rapidly

#

Hades players love checking off prophecy lists

true fable
#

this is true

#

im down to try some talos

#

it seems very flexible with lightning strike start

shy plinth
#

Zeus attack on start, how brave

mossy zinc
#

@daring hedge and I both did 40+ Talos in 1.0. Guess I didn't record mine, though. thanthink

rain sedge
#

im super down for talos

true fable
#

zeus attack is very good

mossy zinc
#

Well, it was lower than my 45 in Early Access, so I just didn't bother, I guess.

true fable
#

on any fists

shy plinth
#

Or any rail

daring hedge
#

ah yeah, i did 46 with heavy knuckle deadly strike and phalanx shot

rain sedge
#

I mean zag rail 40 can't be that hard

true fable
#

the part doing the work was definitely flood shot though

daring hedge
#

recorded but never uploaded

mossy zinc
#

Oh right. 46. Of course. To beat my record.

#

sniff

true fable
#

bablo has several of these now too right

proud jay
mossy zinc
#

Your Special can one-shot enemies in Tartarus without that.

proud jay
#

Depends on the enemy

#

And in my experience, a lot of the time you can't

true fable
#

what hera setup did you use at 40?

mossy zinc
#

Witches, Numbskulls, and Pests or whatever they're called should just die.

#

Instead of taking 3 hits and becoming an actual threat.

#

I start with Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish always, though. So maybe Divine doesn't kill them, but you'd add damage with Deflect.

daring hedge
#

has anyone tried out skelly after the patch buff? curious about exactly how much more health he got and if him taking less damage from zag makes a noticeable difference

mossy zinc
#

Not me. Buffs sound good, though.

daring hedge
#

i'm definitely all for varied companion selection

true fable
#

says 250 health

mossy zinc
#

Did Skelly tell you that?

#

"Hey, pal. I have 250 HP now. Come hit me, boyo!"

true fable
#

what companion rib says

#

LOL

daring hedge
#

poor skelly will melt from a spear toss and double spin from EM4 dad

#

rip my dreams of maybe using skelly

mossy zinc
#

To be fair, you would melt from that, too.

daring hedge
#

true

prime cairn
#

To pick up an earlier topic. Wanted to address why Hell Mode is banned for submissions to speedrun.com:

  1. Hell Mode is not a core part of the game, it's actually a different game mode. Which is why it's unfair to pit one game mode against another. It makes the max heat 64 instead of 63 in normal, by allowing a new heat option - which is not an even playing field vs Normal Mode. (Adding another set of sr.com High Heat categories to for Hell Mode is probably not feasable)

  2. The majority of players that enter High Heat likely come from playing Normal Mode with a normal save file. Therefore most people wont have a maxxed out Hell Mode save to use

  3. Allowing Hell Mode forces the players doing High Heat categories to use a Hell Mode save to be as competitive. Which forces runners to spend many hours maxing a save file they won't have, or download and use another person's. Pushing this expectation on Normal Mode players isn't fair, which I believe is the majority

  4. There isn't a maxxed Hell Mode save available on sr.com Resources yet (we're still trying to get a decent Normal Mode maxxed save file with clean records at this stage). If there was, then that would mean the majority of players would have their records split across 2 save files. Which might not be preferred for players who work hard at earning their records and want them in one place

  5. Some Pact of Punishment setups wouldn't want some of the enforced Heat options from Hell Mode anyway.

proud jay
#

speaking of that

mossy zinc
#

50 but fast
@daring hedge zaglol

#

@shy plinth I think a checkbox for Hell mode in the submission form would be good, and maybe another column to show normal or hell mode.

#

Or perhaps "Hell" could be added to the "Challenge?" column.

proud jay
#

hell mode is still under discussion

#

i guess those were the arguments against but we also have arguments for allowing hell mode

rain sedge
#

mmmm yea gonna leave the speedrun politics to the speedrun people

mossy zinc
#

@proud jay you saw the new high heat leaderboard by the way? Can submit all your runs easily now. squirtnya

rain sedge
#

we allow hellmode here right? that's all that matters?

mossy zinc
#

Some people here are interested in speedrunning high heat.

true fable
#

yeah 40 is interesting i think because its a weird breakpoint where i really wish i had an extra point of heat

proud jay
#

does the new leaderboard care about patch?

mossy zinc
#

I think the concensus among high heat players is that Hell mode should be allowed for the 40 and 50 Heat speedrun categories.

#

Anything in 1.0 is fine for the new board. Platform and recording date should indicate which patch it is.

#

Maybe if the final patch hits, whenever it does, there'd be a reason to archive and start fresh. But until then, I don't think there's any reason for that.

#

Oh, and test branch runs should be indicated in the notes at least.

proud jay
#

do you want 40 heat runs there anyway lul

mossy zinc
#

Anything 32+ can be added. Anything lower than that will just be filtered out.

#

That's what we agreed on since at 32 you can do some interesting challenge runs.

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

FO0 will be easier.

honest kernel
#

What should I replace it with? HL?

shy plinth
#

Hrrrrm hell mode

#

I can add it as a challenge checkbox

mossy zinc
#

Sounds good, yeah.

#

Thanks!

true fable
#

can CoD be combined with mirage shot

mossy zinc
#

Nope.

rain sedge
#

TD2?

#

is arthur that slow for 32

honest kernel
#

i'm the slow one

mossy zinc
#

Nope. Can definitely do TD3.

honest kernel
#

lmao

mossy zinc
#

Ah. dusa

rain sedge
#

if this is for your first 32, there's easier weapons

honest kernel
#

i have 2 32 clears atm, going for the other 4

mossy zinc
#

I think Excalibur is still among the easiest for 32, anyway.

honest kernel
#

just getting sword out of the way since i hate it the most

#

i like poseidon but idk how that fares in high heat

rain sedge
honest kernel
#

wouldn't it be hard if you don't get extra casts?

rain sedge
dire steppe
#

its weird how arthur 32 is so easy but once you have to take FO you die

honest kernel
#

hmhmhmhm

rain sedge
honest kernel
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what was your setup for 32 pos?

true fable
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schad did you get 40 heat poseidon?

rain sedge
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yeah

daring hedge
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@shy plinth i feel like putting hell mode alongside boonless and mirrorless doesn't make much sense due to how hell mode really isn't too different from normal files in a high heat environment, while boonless/mirrorless are things you go out of your way to do to make that specific run harder

rain sedge
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tears of blood, as I said

true fable
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gz

rain sedge
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nah dont congratulate me, it was the worst gaming moment I did

daring hedge
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i'm not against it being shown or checked off as a thing for submissions of course

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but i think as a "challenge" check it feels awkward

true fable
prime cairn
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How many folks here run Hell Mode doing 40+ heat?

daring hedge
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retrash

rain sedge
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that poseidon got me the time I die mid special-cast, the one where I got 5 sacced, another one that I got 4 sacced

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I'm never doing it again

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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@daring hedge the real question is just user pressure

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Like is it worth adding another field for something that's so rarely done

rain sedge
honest kernel
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heat please

true fable
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theres a fair number of people who use hell mode

shy plinth
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It is theoretically just a normal heat boost etc, but frequency can play a factor

prime cairn
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Who?

true fable
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i know baj has a hell mode save

shy plinth
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With that being said it's trivial to add another column/field/whatever

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Will adjust based on whatever decision y'all reach

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Functionality is there now, just a lil awkward

rain sedge
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but there's so much variation at 32, do what you're comfortable with

daring hedge
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i wouldn't mind another column that just affirms if it's hell mode, and could be blank if not. something like that

honest kernel
rain sedge
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don't run AP on 32 btw

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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I'll tinker with around with it

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And if it doesn't work out crawl back to arthur

mossy zinc
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Good pact. Highly recommended.

rain sedge
honest kernel
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mirrorless HaachamaWhy

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i'll die in the second room, i'll tell ya

rain sedge
shy plinth
rain sedge
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poseidon cast, aim for mirage shot, get exit wounds in ashpodel, try to get arty legendary

dire steppe
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just waiting to see some sort of ridiculous 53 heat build that uses some hot garbage and td0

shy plinth
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Currently I have it grouped with boonless/mirorrless

rain sedge
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pew pew pew, special for exit wounds, pew pew again

honest kernel
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is arty cast not better?

rain sedge
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use god's legacy and dark foresight btw

true fable
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i dont see why it wouldnt be another question like seeded/unseeeded

rain sedge
daring hedge
rain sedge
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I use poseidon because I got used to trying it on 40 heat where the aoe is nice

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but sure, arty cast works just as well

mossy zinc
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@shy plinth just another column then, like @daring hedge said. Thanks! squirtnya

rain sedge
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saves you from having to reroll for arty in ashpodel

daring hedge
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but a separate question where you can check a box could work, and have that displayed somehow

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yeah

honest kernel
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alrighty, thanks for the tips

rain sedge
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have fun pew pewing

dire steppe
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is there no cap to how many times em4 can heal? are there some builds that just can't beat him no matter how perfect the inputs are (and td0?)

true fable
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just shoot the pots

rain sedge
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arent you supposed to destroy the urns he heal from

dire steppe
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good point

gaunt fiber
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EM4 GY feels so good

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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All set on Hell mode

gaunt fiber
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so many urns, Zag is just dabbing with auto aim

prime cairn
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Hypothetical question y'all regarding speedrun.com 40+ Heat and 50+ heat rules.
Does it force all High Heat players to use a Hell Mode save file if we allow the mode? To stay competitive, since you get the Public Liability as a heat available extra?

mossy zinc
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Breaking Hades's urns with Guan Yu's Special feels somehow very satisfying.

prime cairn
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Because one of my main points is I don't want to force a player base to use a particular save file.

mossy zinc
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At 40 in normal mode, you'll have to use one of: JS1, CP1, RI1, DC1, AP1.

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Hell mode will force you to use JS1 CP1.

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So normal should be faster in theory.

true fable
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to my understanding most of the people running 50+ already are migrating over to hell mode saves anyway. both crepes and baj have either started hell mode saves or modded personal liability in for 50+ stuff

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i dont think it's a force thing so much as the next logical step if you're pushing heat WR

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and at 40 i think nyaanyaa's right

prime cairn
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Well the reason they're migrating is to get an advantage over normal mode.

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Which is the crux of the problem.

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Or not?

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@ripe crane @honest kernel Is that why you've migrated to Hell Mode?

true fable
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i dont want to speak for them since i'm not someone pushing 50+ but i think at that point all the 50+ runners agree that hell mode should be allowed

daring hedge
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the migration is purely for personal liability heat

rain sedge
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For 40? I think he'll mode will be way slower

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For speedrunning anyway

prime cairn
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I guess we're talking 50+.

rain sedge
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For 50, yea, it'll be a nice advantage.

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I don't imagine anyone going to speedrun.com leaderboard with JS1 CP1 turned on for 40 heat

proud jay
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afaik CP1 isn't usually turned on for 50 heat, at least speedruns

prime cairn
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So if the migration is to get a heat not available in Normal Mode - that's a competitive advantage. Which means other people probably would want to run Hell Mode at 50 heat too stay competitive.

daring hedge
prime cairn
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Is that a reasonable summary?

proud jay
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nvm then

mossy zinc
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I'd say PL is a step up in difficulty either way. And excluding people who only play Hell mode who actually accomplish 50 Heat seems like a bad idea.

prime cairn
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No one's trying to exclude anyone here, it's about what's fair.

mossy zinc
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I'll probably play mainly in Hell mode once I've grinded that save a bit more.

prime cairn
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Most players come from a Normal Mode background and save file. So if Hell Mode provides a competitive advantage that is allowed in the rules - does that not force all Normal players to use an alternative Hell Mode save file?

daring hedge
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i wish normal files could just purchase PL from the contractor around the epilogue or something like EM4 😔

prime cairn
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To stay competitive?

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You know that's a pretty cool idea that could be fedback to SG...

proud jay
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im sure they've heard plenty of that

prime cairn
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Has anyone raised it?

mossy zinc
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Like at least once a month during Early Access lol.

daring hedge
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PL is one of the only remaining threads making hell mode distinct at all from a normal save aside from the initial difficulty spike that's more pronounced for new players, so unfortunately, i doubt SG will make it available outside of it

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as much as i really would like it to be

proud jay
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i'd like to be able to enable PL without CP1

mossy zinc
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Hell mode right now tbh feels like the beginning of an idea that got dropped halfway through. No offense to SGG. 👀

proud jay
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when new players ask me about hell mode, unfortunately i advise them not to go for it

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since it's a bit of a trap

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unless you want PL specifically

gaunt fiber
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PL holds many surprises squirtyay

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"sup tiny wit- aarrghblbl"

honest kernel
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got mirage shot early in tartarus, i'm feeling this run