On zag sword? Full call is my best damage dealer
#h1-high-heat-strategies
north dove
honest kernel
Base sword dps do be looking like trash
north dove
4.1k damage from max aphro call is pretty spicy
gaunt fiber
Aphro abuser
honest kernel
I am not one to talk back about that
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite is the best. Her Call is also the best. 💗
north dove
I agree with that statement
dire steppe
i wish ares aid worked with hunting blades and just Talos’d you to the nearest thing
gaunt fiber
who is ares again?
honest kernel
My stream should be up, posted it in #self-promotion
tidal flame
stream looks fine 👍
rain sedge
is the 720p intentional?
rain sedge
I missed the 54 zag sword, congrats @north dove , you're outta control
#h1-high-heat-strategies message @honest kernel
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/f09lsb/mirror_upgrade_boon_rarity_chance/fh202la/
This is the comprehensive maths
note that the numbers have changed since this person posted it
true fable
im pretty sure the legendary numbers have changed significantly
unless i'm mistaken it's now 12%
proud jay
when did the numbers change
true fable
i thought it was 12%
rain sedge
yep it's 12%, just checked the game files
the numbers nya posted was... mostly right
it's off by 1-2% for some of them but yeah
I still don't understand how the yarn works, or how the + rarity room works so there's that
also I don't think hermes's rarity is that low FWIW, 1% for a legendary seems wrong
rain sedge
hmm, can't find the code for the boss room chances
got it. yarn increases boon to always be rare at least, gives 25% bonus chance for epic, and 10% chance for legendary
chaos increases chance by 10% flat for epic and legendary
north dove
54 heat zag sword vid is up in #self-promotion
atomic ember
im doing my 32 heat run and hades just crashed for the first time ever 😭
at the very last part
rain sedge
that thumbnail is great retrash
I found the miniboss data. It puts epic to 25% base, legendary unchanged.
Well, glad I found that out so I don't get curious anymore
tidal flame
that 54 heat run with a clutch athena dash into a room full of slugger witches
gotta feelsgoodman
yo that EM4 phase 1 is so spicy lol
north dove
lasers everywhere 
tidal flame
not sure how much that spearpoint helped, but probably a lot more than an acorn would have.
north dove
it definitely saved me when I got tagged by the beam in phase 3
ripe crane
Watching now. I would've just mentally checked out after eating that 100 damage spear in phase 1 part 1
There are SO MANY LASERS
north dove
thankfully dad doesn't spawn more minibosses if the screen is already filled with the small crystals
north dove
also when that first full aphro call just decided to hit a random crystal I physically died inside
ripe crane
Yep, if someone I hadn't given up after that first spear, the aphro call would've done me in. Great recovery on your part though, phase 3 was spooky af
ripe crane
Y'all
I might regret stating this publicly
But I have to say
I kinda like this game
tidal flame
interesting
north dove
wow that's the most controversial statement I ever heard
tidal flame
I thought people only do high heat because they hate it.
(In reality it's more like, love the game -> high heat > hate myself)
ripe crane
Hey that's exactly what I was going to say!
loud coral
You really think someone would play a game because they like it?
Cannot believe there are people like that
true fable
i want to hit 1000 hours just so i can steam review it with "it's alright"
tidal flame
I wonder why they release on EGS and Steam instead of GOG and Steam 
Probably EA stuff. Nvm I'm dumb.
spring kettle
I heard they supposedly were going to wait for it to be out of EA before releasing on steam initially but EGS wasn't as good as they had hoped
ripe crane
EGS?
spring kettle
Epic Game Store
ripe crane
oh right
tidal flame
Honestly if they didn't put it on Steam I would have never bought it.
I have enough launch clients. I would buy a DRM Free version in a heartbeat, achievements be damned.
spring kettle
IMO, steam is more consumer friendly
plus i'm not about to get another launcher that wants a ton of personal information
cedar thistle
most store fronts need to know your location tho. it's just how it works for laws and taxes
true fable
i know it's just that meme format
honest kernel
Playing for extended periods of time maybe is what I shouldn't do
My best attempts where in like the first hour or so, each time
For each session
ripe crane
I have experienced similar
After too long I just get angry or tired and start playing worse and worse
honest kernel
For me it's tired for sure
I don't get too salty at things nowadays
Usually move on after
So, after trying out Rama for a bit : I have even more respect for Tailesque
At 50 heat that is
ripe crane
Dude has those power shots on lock
honest kernel
It's not just that
It's that he isn't afraid to take his time
To get those shots in the first place
Dude's positionning is nuts
ripe crane
mmmm true. I often feel like I have to shoot early because I'm in the wrong spot
honest kernel
Same
true fable
LOL
baj i was watching your stream and my first thought was
"his rama mechanics are better"
think i need to play that weapon more haha
most frustrating part on KBM is missing the special by a hair on like witches
honest kernel
"C'mon already you 'lil urn"
"Just get hit by this special so I can shoot a big guy after"
true fable
yo the urns actually strafe better than my teammates in some fps games
got that movement down
honest kernel
LOL
Anyways, the moment the patch hits, I'm going back to my shield one-tricks antics
ripe crane
what happens in the patch
honest kernel
Shackles
ripe crane
tru
Unfortunately 50 heat boonless had PL, so it can't go on speedrun even when shackles change is live. However I'm gonna do SO MANY 40 heat speedruns
tidal flame
Bablo promised to bring Hell Mode to 50 Heat category
honest kernel
Also said we could quote him on that
tidal flame
promise to try, he obviously isn't the only decider
tidal flame
He did, he would try. Obviously don't flame him if things don't work out.
honest kernel
Yeah, that's a given
true fable
flaming evil supervillain AIs doesn't tend to work out anywho
ripe crane
Alternatively we could flame him even if things do work out
tidal flame
true
honest kernel
... Ok NOW my hands start hurting a bit. After I finished the stream. You'd think it would be while I am playing that it occurs, guess not.
Great timing for me to just wait until the patch hits
The 58 heat plan is, for now, on hold
tidal flame
yeah the runs def look promising
true fable
baj my pinky is dying
since i have it on reload
and have been doing nothing but grinding eris for 2 days
honest kernel
What's your KBM setup
true fable
reload shift
i do auto aim but maybe i shouldnt for nonrail aspects
attack at cursor off for rail
honest kernel
From my experience : If you can, avoid having any important, repeatable function on shift
true fable
special and call on mouse buttons
yeah i just dont want it on R
maybe i put cast on R or something
honest kernel
Could do that
true fable
thonking
honest kernel
Having a setup specifically for rail doesn't sound like a bad idea
rain sedge
GY charged skewer gameplay is so boring tbh
terse pecan
i was honestly surprised at the difficulty curve from 32 to 40 heat
rain sedge
yep
I think most people here can do 32 without wiping more than 1 or 2 times, but 40 is hard
gaunt fiber
GY charged skewer gameplay is so boring tbh
Get lost
mossy zinc
Be kind. 
gaunt fiber
A bit off topic but I want to stream to record my runs. If I want to listen to my own music, should I separate both sources not to get copystriked
or I don't care?
mossy zinc
Je n'en ai cure.
gaunt fiber
...
static plover
depends on the music you're listening too
if it's under a record label like sony, seperate out the sources
as that record label in particular is notorious for handing out dmca strikes
there's services like pretzal rocks that have a whole load of music safe for strim strams :3
static plover
no worries ^_^
gaunt fiber
Getting destroyed on Moonlight Sonata, I see.
edgy arrow
okay wait
can you not die from tight deadline with divine protection
for some reason the 5 damage/second ticks weren't breaking my shield
prolly a bug?
gaunt fiber
It has been noticed before
gaunt fiber
There's even a clip somewhere on this discord lol
ripe crane
Yeah Athena call saves you from dying to td
gaunt fiber
Nah we're talking about the legendary
edgy arrow
yeah i knew about the call
ripe crane
Ohhh
Interesting
Baj was not dying to td last night during the furies fight for some reason
edgy arrow
real players just iframe td damage
mossy zinc
Yeah, I dunno if she can help you with that.
mossy zinc
Yup!
I think most of my deaths these days are to Chariots or Hades or TD.
Speeder Slam-Dancers can also be pretty insane.
rain sedge
I've gotten some ugly greatshields recently
gaunt fiber
Yeah, I dunno if she can help you with that.
Maybe, with smoldering air...
gaunt fiber
that's a lot
mossy zinc
That's two urns with HS if you have SD. You're fine.
rain sedge
3 sac indeed
2 sac I mean
Hmmm yeah I got this I thinj
Sad I lost the extra SD tho
gaunt fiber
famous last words
mossy zinc
You can do it!
gaunt fiber
That's just unfair, you see you can actually cheer
gaunt fiber
Congrats
gaunt fiber
+97%
rain sedge
Zeus shield?
Yeah, that epic chaos worked well
I tried Artemis special but it's not as consistent
Plus weak is a good crutch
Not as good as the 5 divine dashes tho xD
Btw team
gaunt fiber
I tried Artemis special but it's not as consistent
Yeah Heart rend is needed
rain sedge
When I did 20 with EM4 Hades commented on it
gaunt fiber
but at 40 it's ok
rain sedge
Will he comment more if we do 40 with EM4? Did anyone ever try it?
mossy zinc
And skelly got beamed in 1 sec lol
I use Skelly for phase 1 for the summons. Phase 2 Skelly is kinda useless because of that lol.
Although phase 1 Skelly can die in seconds to Chariots. 
gaunt fiber
Hide him behind a rock
gaunt fiber
I won't let Skelly down
rain sedge
should've done that
rancid spindle
Should I go headfirst into EM4 without doing EM1-EM3 tomorrow?
rain sedge
I like skelly more now. Saved me on the saviour greatshield room
rain sedge
Should I go headfirst into EM4 without doing EM1-EM3 tomorrow?
doing EM4 includes you doing EM1-3
rancid spindle
Yeah but without practicing or attempting the buildup to EM4
rain sedge
meg is nice for dps, but most cases it doesnt matter that much? It was only really painful at the voidstone miniboss, other than that everything else was manageable
rancid spindle
I phrased it poorly
rain sedge
eh, they are all different fights. Doing Em1-3 won't help you with EM4
EM1 is free at around 32, if you dont turn on HS EM2 is free at that heat too
EM3 will take some practice, EM4 is a nightmare at 32
mossy zinc
Hide him behind a rock
Bold of you to assume hiding from beams behind rocks actually works.
(It does work a lot better than it used to.)
gaunt fiber
Do not underestimate Skelly
rain sedge
tbh this hades fight could easily be one of the saltiest I've had
mossy zinc
Should I go headfirst into EM4 without doing EM1-EM3 tomorrow?
To what end?
Like, what's the goal?
rain sedge
I got cucked 3x on dashes, and would've got beamed to death if not for the holy shield
mossy zinc
Sounds like fun, anyway. Just go for it.
rain sedge
and there was a beam that cornered me into a rock with 2 urns
I feel the dash across the rock is inconsistent
cool time to try shield and sword
rain sedge
you should change your name
mossy zinc
I don't actually know if I bother trying to dash through the rocks at all anymore.
gaunt fiber
better than bullied by channel
mossy zinc
I saw that one, by the way.
gaunt fiber
That was quick tho
mossy zinc
That's just unfair, you see you can actually cheer
I also saw this.
Of course I can cheer. My Twitter profile even says #1 Cheerleader for PunkDaGod.
gaunt fiber
I also saw this.
I was not trying to hide it
rain sedge
I wonder if beowulf would work better than zeus for 40 heat
mossy zinc
Which do you feel more confident with?
gaunt fiber
spin to win
mossy zinc
I've heard good things about Zag shield at high heat.
rain sedge
hmm yeah this shield is the worst, baj is a psycho
waxen relic
They're all pretty good tbh
elfin maple
Decided to give 16 Heat a go but put the 5 minutes time limits, for the thrills. Finished Tartarus with 0:00:36.
This should be fun...
formal gust
I am challenging anyone who reads this to beat beowulf at over 45 heat
edgy arrow
no disrespect to nyaa, but she did that run when charged shot was +400%
honest kernel
Hmmm
That leaves Retrash's run then
... Which also was a Charged Flight run but with the nerf
ripe crane
Beo sux
edgy arrow
it’s retrash tho lol
ripe crane
Don't @ me
ripe crane
:( you @'d me
ripe crane
:(
edgy arrow
no similarity at all
mossy zinc
@ripe crane I can't add the title to my name because I didn't get the title. 
formal gust
Nyaa do it again
mossy zinc
m quite happy m done with it for now lol.
rough cypress
any recommendations on a 32heat build/pact setup?
mossy zinc
Hestia is fun, but I need to mix it up. The aspect is very one-sided in how to play.
m glad you're asking about builds. Do you also want recommendations for a mirror setup for it?
rough cypress
oh awesome, thank you!
rough cypress
I've been struggling for a while
mossy zinc
I recommend this build and mirror. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png
rough cypress
tried using chiron bow with artemis
cedar thistle
lol
mossy zinc
You can't go wrong with those boons.
cinder cave
yikes
rain sedge
You're only allowed to bully astaos
mossy zinc
That's why I did all that. Only for this moment. 
cedar thistle
with chiron 32, you could just rng the right hammers, then it's really hard to lose
cinder cave
heart rend with chiron is also very high dps when you get there
rough cypress
i think my pact/mirror is probably the problem
cinder cave
potentially yeah
sly remnant
most people mess up the pact a lot
rain sedge
I put some builds for Chiron on my post, just read it and give it ago
mossy zinc
Hestia imo is the easiest 32 you can have.
rain sedge
Cya in 2 hours when you get the statue
mossy zinc
Chiron is also very simple and strong.
rough cypress
I think I'll give this a try
mossy zinc
@rain sedge bot was just late in welcoming you back.
rain sedge
Yeah.... I got censored a lot the night I rage quitted
I can still see that Poseidon run btw .
rough cypress
see you in a run 😄
rain sedge
Screenshot the heat if you don't get it, we can help you adjust it
mossy zinc
I can still see that Poseidon run btw .
You mean the one where you got hit out of your Special for the kill and were utterly defeated?
Just making sure.
rain sedge
Yeah I could've just dodged for 15 secs and I would've gotten it.
Yep. That's the one. My controller surprisingly survived.
mossy zinc
The one thing I always try to remind myself of when going into the fight is to take my time.
formal gust
Hestia imo is the easiest 32 you can have.
guan yu with quick massive spin is easier
also eris 32 is probably easier
sly remnant
as long as I have plenty of time on th etimer I agree with nyaa
sly remnant
well i mean it depends on the situation
rain sedge
I'm still reeaaallly mad .
sly remnant
we've all thrown runs
mossy zinc
The runs that I die in are typically the ones where I failed to take my own advice.
I tried to lighten your mood by making a pure and innocent joke at no one's expense.
mossy zinc
I err.. think that one counts as circumventing the swear filter.
I don't like Poseidon.
edgy arrow
The runs that I die in are typically the ones where I failed to take my own advi...
nyaanyaa only dies when she forgets to run RI4
rain sedge
Stfu he's like the tool who crashes your parties uninvited
mossy zinc
He calls all the shades "filth".
rain sedge
Like oOoO would you like hydraulic might? Or some sunken treasure? Let me force a tempest strike on you!
Mirage shot? Come reroll 3 times before I offer you MORE useless boons
Ooooo look my special animation can get cancelled with dash, I'm sooooo cool
Just go put a sea urchin in your ass Poseidon
edgy arrow
i’m no expert on greek myth but i think that might make him more powerful
mossy zinc
also eris 32 is probably easier
You can start with Divine Dash and pick Shackle for the rest of your run and have your build on what is probably the easiest aspect for boss fights with the quick burst damage, range, and mobility it has.
rain sedge
Mhmm, Eris is the easiest aspect
gaunt fiber
You're only allowed to bully astaos
Thanks for your support, mate
true fable
cin im down to give it a shot
beo feels like it kind of falls off a cliff at 46 tbh
theres some ugly ass pact setups you have to just be ok with
sly remnant
i think my setup right now that feels winnable is
true fable
i was doing my 40 heat setup + HS + EM4 but might fiddle around with it more once i get home from work
might also start learning infernal beo 💀
formal gust
em4 was horrible
formal gust
I had to switch off of it
formal gust
I don't think I plan on going that high ever
sly remnant
it felt winnable
formal gust
but who knows
true fable
i think i'll just learn infernal and try some weird pacts
if i try 50
AP1 is miserable on stygian
sly remnant
you dont' have a choic
true fable
yeah
proud jay
gonna continue 40 heat stuff if y'all be interested
sly remnant
its either that or you take CP2 and DC2
sly remnant
on your stream bablo?
proud jay
yeah linked on self promo
true fable
🖐interested
sly remnant
omw bablo
rain sedge
poseidon continue to taunt me
mhmmm this sword and shield is gonna take as long as the other 4 weapons combined
true fable
still zeus cast or flood shot
rain sedge
flood shot, aiming for mirage shot
true fable
just play chaos lol its so free
cedar thistle
it rekts everything. untill bosses rekts you D:
formal gust
then use the dash strikes
cedar thistle
pray for hermes quick reload
formal gust
truth be told I haven't played with blizz shot all that much
apparently it's really good
should probably go stygian in that case
loud coral
How Crepes manages high heat on Hestia is beyond me. Got epic Mark, Battle Rage, and Urge to Kill and I get THREE rooms back-to-back with speeder cloner enemies
And this was 32
formal gust
hestia is still a rail, if only arte attack wasnt big garbo on rail
rain sedge
apparently it's really good
I can testify that it is NOT good
formal gust
blizz shot?
rain sedge
yep
ruined my 40 run
like, it's REALLY not good
3 chambers was enough to ruin my run, I was gonna sell it after lernie
formal gust
were you using base flood shot before lol
formal gust
curse of drowning seems like big meme
rain sedge
not sure how that works, you just become a walking cast?
sounds good to me
dont have to pick up casts
loud coral
Tried it, probably good with Achilles but base damage is awful imo
cedar thistle
apprently blizz shot it's really good as long as you use it right. idk tho. i've never gotten it to work for me. :C
loud coral
CoD slows you down too which sucks imo
cedar thistle
CoD seems pretty decent o.o
cedar thistle
it's like playing fist
formal gust
besides dio's cast in certain situations
hollow lynx
CoD is great but is mutually exclusive with mirage shot 😔
cedar thistle
why do you say CoD slows you down o.o
loud coral
Well upon activation at least
Just feels a bit clunky to me
I’m trying to get CoD on Achilles rn though, probably pretty good
rain sedge
Yea I tried that
honest kernel
That's how I did it
rain sedge
Sucks at bosses
honest kernel
Could probably try FO1 then
And EM3
Thankfully fish aspect of sword doesn't need Hermes to do ok vs bosses because of dislodge
Just gotta be patient
terse pecan
i'm not understanding the benefits of antos vs. meg as a high heat companion. Is it so that we can always guarantee third phase of fury sisters?
honest kernel
Antos does better vs the furies, it's it's main selling point
rain sedge
And people usually die at furies or Hades
honest kernel
^
rain sedge
Or lernie if you're bad like me
honest kernel
Vs Lernie it's literally the same for both
So yeah
Do you want an easier Furies fight or an easier Heroes
That's what you really decide for when picking Batty or Antos
rain sedge
or you can big brain it and use skelly if you're really bad
see: my 40 heat spear
I also did some dusa stuff but it doesnt seem to be that great
true fable
i love that tailesque picked antos just because and its become this thing now
antos will also do higher single target damage
and you can still manipulate enemies to get both hits to connect on multiple
but that only seems relevant for power couple and heroes
sly remnant
DC also messes with my meg timing so much
true fable
tbh i dont mind DC that muc
you just do normal meg and hit them real quick
i can usually beat her to the punch
but antos is more forgiving for sure
terse pecan
i'm only attempting rama for now so yeah dc isn't an issue, but yeah for a lot of weapons I could see that being a bigger issue
true fable
Thankfully fish aspect of sword doesn't need Hermes to do ok vs bosses because o...
its funny you say that because i took quick reload for greater recall and then ended up selling quick reload
honest kernel
Madlad strats right there
true fable
i'm definitely stealing "fish aspect" btw
rain sedge
if I fail again on poseidon cast im gonna go zeus cast
true fable
could always see how athena cast goes too
loud coral
I’m trying to get CoD on Achilles rn though, probably pretty good
Update: I did not get CoD
Why is CoD and Blizzard Shot so rare for no reason I don't get it
rain sedge
I keep falling for these god trials man
It's so hard to pass on that
The waves are just endless I swear
honest kernel
"I swear I turned JS off why are there still more witches with cloner spawning AAAA"
true fable
but they "fixed" tartarus trials
true fable
number of enemies reduced by 1
fixed
in a game full of rng i think enemy spawn waves are one of the most frustrating sources of RNG for both speedrunning and high heat
itd feel less bad if there were a set difficulty value spawned in each wave instead of enemy quota
but i think thatd suck for newer players
rain sedge
cool randomly died to greatshields in elysium with heroic poseidon cast and epic exit wounds
not mad at all.
not even thinking of uninstalling again, not at all.
alright real talk nerds, what's the best way to cheese sword 40
because I'm pretty close to doing arthur stuff
rain sedge
how is that better than poseidon cast priming for mirage shot though
like better room clear? won't I just struggle in the boss
where's my damage coming from? it's just zeus cast and maybe jolted, no?
WHOA CHAOS TALKS
when I reroll using chaos shield
wooooww
mossy zinc
as long as you don't run into cloner
Cloner waves are good and can be a lot faster.
You get fewer real enemies.
mossy zinc
Depends on aspect, but yeah, they can be a real problem.
true fable
i thought master chaos talking was just part of the game
since i used nothing but chaos shield for like 50 clears
also TD2 is worth consideration on chaos shield
mossy zinc
Anywhere. TD2 is common at 50+. You don't have to take TD3 at 40.
ripe crane
For 40 shield I think I ended up with zag shield and put Zeus on special and just chucked it around. Also smacked people with the regular attack sometimes. Didn't have to mess with that stupid bull rush.
rain sedge
isnt that just a worse chaos shield?
true fable
could also do dem attack zeus special on chaos for some cold fusion priv status nonsense
mossy zinc
Why build for the Attack with the lowest % mod?
rain sedge
I do enjoy knocking people to barriers
ripe crane
I think I did aphro attack and Zeus special to try for smoldering air
rain sedge
im gonna see how RI2 fares
true fable
RI2 on 40 heat 🥴
north dove
losing the FF damage with RI2 feels so bad
rain sedge
i feel like that's the least of my problem
like getting athena second room and no tbeing able to roll for dash
we'll see. i'm super desperate
ripe crane
RI is like the worst thing to turn on. You're operating at half strength.
rain sedge
epic poseidon attack let's go
charged flight good or bad on zag
or use empowering flight?
honest kernel
Neither are that impactful
rain sedge
there's charged shot I guess
honest kernel
Charged Shot is amazing
rain sedge
i wanted the one that deals 50 damage when I catch special
true fable
explosive return is fine
@honest kernel what binds do you use for rail btw
i forgot to ask
true fable
you dont rebind special or call?
mossy zinc
You need to, yes.
true fable
transistors gameplay hasnt quite clicked w me yet
high eagle
hey guys isnt the fountain where u get cerberus food supposed to heal you fully?
rain sedge
nop
rain sedge
i just need to play pyre
I mean, pyre is the least of SGG's game
not that it's not great, but it's hard to compete with the rest
true fable
josu it depends on what level of LC you have and I think it's only something like 40-45%? not sure about the exact number but i think its less than half
also dependent on contractor upgrades
high eagle
lc?
mossy zinc
How dare you. Pyre has Sandra. Sandra is the best. Therefore, Pyre is the best.
LC = Lasting Consequences
Pact initialisms are all pinned.
But they're just initialisms, so pretty straightforward.
rain sedge
sandra was pretty spicy yeah
mhmmmm TD2 was not it
I'm starting to think I don't want to do shield and sword 40 .
tidal flame
hmm I can't see Sandra being the best.
rain sedge
who's better than her in that game?
tidal flame
who's better than her in that game?
idk, people who can see?
it's a stupid joke about her being blind. ignore it
true fable
Damn, the off topic train is already here!
its a good chance of pace from the misery express
gaunt fiber
Can't argue
true fable
just play arthur 🙂
rain sedge
pretty close to it
true fable
arthur will be fun at least
tidal flame
play arthur divine strike and pretend you are playing baseball
knock it out of the park
mossy zinc
Aphrodite's Aid + Smoldering Air.
rain sedge
rod on cast build weirchamp
true fable
rod is really good
rain sedge
doesnt it only increase damage on your last cast
rain sedge
uhhh why 30% global? isn't it just when you have no cast stones
true fable
what
gaunt fiber
Be polite.
true fable
its nice with electric shot which has a tendency to zoot itself to the edges of the universe
mossy zinc
It adds damage to all your damage once you have no ammo, so you can technically still get extra damage on the bounces of your first cast if you're out of ammo in time—if it works like Eris, anyway.
mossy zinc
Or Trippy Shot.
rain sedge
aim for splitting bolt using storm lightning, or just take the zeus aid?
is splitting bolt even good with zeus cast
true fable
worth noting that storm lightning gives more bounces than the tooltip says for elec shot
rain sedge
this has been so much more consistent than flood shot
true fable
yes
my use of flood shot was a
an affectation
flood shot is my favorite cast
i still think its fine you just cant AP on it
nocturne parrot
Just because I'm curious, what's the strongest weapon+builds you can take in high heat? Or rather, the most reliable ones
rain sedge
how do you even answer this question lol
nocturne parrot
Idk xD
nocturne parrot
true fable
it is a tough question to answer though
because its more about what you're most comfortable with at the end of the day
nocturne parrot
Okay, let's simplify it then. What are the generally considered best weapons in the game?
gaunt fiber
Some say it's Guan Yu
nocturne parrot
Really??
true fable
thats just you astaos
tidal flame
We don't know. Weapons can do amazing things if people put in the time.
rain sedge
gUaN yU
gaunt fiber
thats just you astaos
Ah. Yeah
tidal flame
Zag Sword made 54 heat yesterday
rain sedge
I mean you're asking a very vague question with no qualifier or outcome whatsoever
tidal flame
I would be the last one to consider it S tier
nocturne parrot
rain sedge
what's high heat? what's "best"? fastest? most damage?
true fable
safest?
nocturne parrot
hm...all factors I didn't really consider
rain sedge
like everyone have their own favourite weapon, it's like asking what's the best food to eat
tidal flame
But in general, I guess Eris and Rama seems more reliable.
rain sedge
I would say eris is easiest weapon at 50+
gaunt fiber
like everyone have their own favourite weapon, it's like asking what's the best ...
Nah I'd rather not eat GY
true fable
rama takes a lot of practice though
tidal flame
The best weapon is the one you put the most time in.
gaunt fiber
The best weapon is the one you put the most time in.
Yeah that or Eris
tidal flame
lul
nocturne parrot
Just because I'm curious, what's a good build for Rama? I tried it out because I use bow the most, and I tried running an Artemis Attack build
tidal flame
Just because I'm curious, what's a good build for Rama? I tried it out because I...
Yeah Deadly Strike and Triple Shot/Twin Shot
at least
rain sedge
astaos stop, this is a very serious discord with very on topic channel
only serious reply
dire steppe
a bad build is aphro attack demeter special and abyssal blood
gaunt fiber
Sorry sorry
tidal flame
I'll just go ahead and say that without triple and twin, you can reset
true fable
i dont think its that severe
dire steppe
perfect shot or chain shot are not bad
nocturne parrot
What would you run for the Rama Special boon then?
true fable
point blank and perfect shot arent bad hammers
tidal flame
anything
nocturne parrot
tidal flame
you use it to tag things so doesn't matter
true fable
dio, aphro, but honestly it doesnt matter too much
nocturne parrot
I see
dire steppe
demeter if bad
true fable
aphro is my personal preference for heart rend builds
gaunt fiber
Zeus too
dire steppe
easy boss fights with permanent chill
nocturne parrot
I'm surprised to see so many of you say Rama is this good, I've been under the impression that Chiron was better
gaunt fiber
Do it
rain sedge
chiron struggle over 40 heat
mossy zinc
Just because I'm curious, what's the strongest weapon+builds you can take in hig...
All you need for a complete Hestia build is Shackle, so Hestia.
true fable
facts
rain sedge
what's the highest chiron people did?
also I'm timing out even with heroic zeus cast damn
true fable
well retrash has probably done 50+
nocturne parrot
I also know Chaos is considered really good but idk if that's changed...
true fable
chaos is still the safest weapon
tidal flame
Crepes did 50 heat boonless with Hestia lul
true fable
it just doesnt really have wheels
mossy zinc
I think Hestia is safer than Chaos Aspect. Block is genuinely overrated.
Mobility > Block
true fable
for newer players chaos is probably safer imo
true fable
block lets you get away with inaccurate play vs bosses
nocturne parrot
Ah, so I'm assuming Shackle is really good in high heat due to the lack of choices you're given, allowing you to have a consistent boost in damage
mossy zinc
Hestia lets you run circles around bosses at near fullscreen while dealing damage.
true fable
oh definitely
tidal flame
Hestia lets you run circles around bosses at near fullscreen while dealing damag...
idk about you, but EM4 Hades is a real pain with auto aim. The shots hit the pots instead of Hades.
nocturne parrot
and since Eris...er...that's the one that does increased damge to enemies if you stand in the explosion yeah? Since that weapon increases your damage multiplicatively it allows for a lot of consistent damage
true fable
its additive
mossy zinc
Yeah, but that's only EM4.
true fable
its just global additive damage
nocturne parrot
Additive damage* then
but it's just because Shackle+Eris has a lot of consistency, right?
gaunt fiber
Wat
mossy zinc
The point was that the +80% Attack damage (or +100% in the test branch) is all you need for Hestia. So it's the most consistent because you don't need any fancy builds.
true fable
no you dont run shackle on eris really
rain sedge
idk about you, but EM4 Hades is a real pain with auto aim. The shots hit the pot...
never had this problem
nocturne parrot
I...didn't someone here say to run Shackle+Eris?
gaunt fiber
I do sometimes
rain sedge
@gaunt fiber outside. now.
true fable
no nyaanyaa said shackle on hestia
nocturne parrot
oh
gaunt fiber
Wat
nocturne parrot
Hestia
true fable
different rail aspect
nocturne parrot
I see I see
mossy zinc
All you need for a complete Hestia build is Shackle, so Hestia.
rain sedge
you run shackle on eris? seriously?
nocturne parrot
So uh...What's the reasoning behind Shackle? Same thing? Lack of available choices?
gaunt fiber
Nah I was talking about auto aim
rain sedge
ok
nocturne parrot
Hestia is the Rail aspect I've used the most so I'm curious
gaunt fiber
I don't play Eris anyway
rain sedge
you dont play anything other than GY
tidal flame
So uh...What's the reasoning behind Shackle? Same thing? Lack of available choic...
It's a "meme" run boonless (the Hestia Shackle one). But Shackle start has potential, Baj uses it for his Zeus Shield 55 heat)
Hestia Shackle is... fine?
gaunt fiber
you dont play anything other than GY
Maybe
true fable
shackle is also getting buffed
tidal flame
But I think you are better off with just picking Deadly Strike like normal.
nocturne parrot
tidal flame
That and Hunter Dash if you are feeling frisky
nocturne parrot
I see
true fable
hestia deadly strike is ol reliable
true fable
hunter tidal or divine dash all good for different things
tidal flame
Yeah, but you can get locked attack with AP2
And also for most people, they need Acorn/Spearpoint for Hades
nocturne parrot
tidal flame
Idk, I think Deadly Strike Hestia is still more reliable.
If you are insane at bossfights, you do you.
nocturne parrot
Okay, I'll keep note of this next time I play some Hades
true fable
i think shackle strats are legit if test branch goes live
mossy zinc
It's way better than fine. It's great. It's an Epic or better Attack boon for free. You can start with Divine Dash, grab Shackle in Asphodel, and you're done. Or you just run Shackle from the start and pick up whatever boons. You can also try anything else and if you get a bad Attack boon or no Attack boon or whatever, you swap to Shackle. Basically, you can try any fancy build you want, and if it doesn't work out, you'll have Shackle to fall back on for sure.
true fable
which i dont see why it wouldnt
tidal flame
It's way better than fine. It's great. It's an Epic or better Attack boon for fr...
Like I said
And also for most people, they need Acorn/Spearpoint for Hades
If you are insane at bossfights, you do you.
gaunt fiber
haha acorn for Hades
gaunt fiber
(I would not get to hear the first 3 notes without it)
tidal flame
You don't need Acorn for Hestia.
ok. you do you 😄
gaunt fiber
Nah that's fair
nocturne parrot
okay so what I gathered from this is Rama, Hestia, and Eris are all aspects worth consideration
gaunt fiber
You're very far
true fable
all aspects have been done on 50+ heat some are just more effort than others
generally swords have a tough time
mossy zinc
Errr no. 45+, but not 50+.
tidal flame
zeus shield also has good potential
nocturne parrot
I've actually done Chaos+Zeus. It's pretty fun
true fable
i thought retrash had 50-51 on everything
tidal flame
Nyaa do you have the updated heat tier list?
mossy zinc
I haven't updated that one in forever.
Retrash did 45 on everything and has been working on 50+ with different aspects since.
tidal flame
he jsut 6x50+ i think
mossy zinc
Oh right, it was Wobbles who did 45 and not Retrash, I think.
Too many people doing high heat lol.
true fable
dang if only there were a spreadsheet keeping track of these
mossy zinc
People are doing 40s now like they used to do 32s lol.
ripe crane
I copied Baj's RI3/AP2 heat setup with shackle for 53 hestia and it was good. Whatever few boons you end up with is very likely to be worse than the +100% from shackle. If you somehow manage to pick up a better attack boon, then you can take shackle off
(sorry old topic)
mossy zinc
I was stuck on my first 32 for a pretty long time.
rain sedge
smoldering air or sea storm
my call is ares call, tidal dash epic on hand
NOT on eris
mossy zinc
Sea Storm tbh.
rain sedge
eris cosplay inc
true fable
are you doing chaos shield? or zag
gaunt fiber
Alecto, trap walker
rain sedge
alecto is the hardest fury
gaunt fiber
soon 
true fable
alecto is a stationary object
rain sedge
what
gaunt fiber
I can do Alecto spin only with GY
true fable
she doesnt move for 3/4 of the fight lol
gaunt fiber
so yes
true fable
just hit her
mossy zinc
I kinda agree. She used to be the hardest for me, but now I can no-hit her very reliably.
She'll even walk onto traps for you.
true fable
its true
stygian shard stonks
i think phasing alecto with the shard might be the most fun you can have
rain sedge
guess im bad
gaunt fiber
^
mossy zinc
Not saying it doesn't take practice. But she's the first I really got down out of the three.
And she doesn't have anything unreactable or unpredictable, really.
true fable
tis still feels the easiest for me but meg is a mystery
rain sedge
i like tis the most
mossy zinc
I've let Tisiphone self-destruct with Deflect so many times, m not as good as I'd like to be when fighting her without lol.
And Deflect doesn't do as much damage anymore.
She used to just phase from one deflect of her projectiles lol. Or was it two? Mad fast, anyway.
true fable
yeah they fixed that in test branch i think
mossy zinc
No I mean well before they nerfed Deflect damage to bosses in the first place.
And when she phased at 25% instead of 33% like now.
I think a lot more than half of my runs are still from before that.
mossy zinc
I got the game on Christmas last year from my best friend.
true fable
some of the stuff from back then sounds quite funny
mossy zinc
Welcome to Hell, apparently.
true fable
like dash qualifying for merciful end
mossy zinc
m more used to it qualifying than it not qualifying lol.
rain sedge
soon people will say that about tidal dash 😦
mossy zinc
I feel like there was more variety in melee builds then.
But I guess I can't say that when we see Blade Dash melee builds at 50+ lol.
rain sedge
im at a best shield run possible
epic zeus special + splitting bolt + double strike + bigger strike + zeus aid + patty + divine dash
if I lose this it'll be uh, interesting
true fable
i think putting stuff like this in discord jinxes it
yesterday i got merciful end chamber 8 and divine dash chamber 9
told people on disc
got vermin 4 sacked
rain sedge
oh and extra athena call
ok I shouldnt say anything then
yea if I get 3 sacced I'll out of TD time
just got out of heroes
small tusk
hey! let me be here!
rain sedge
oh actually I won't get patty anyway, I got him too early in elysium
true fable
yeah i think 34 patty is ideal
small tusk
I love your game so much, It's awesome. You guys did great job, love you so much
rain sedge
uh not our game
true fable
none of us helped make the game lmao
gaunt fiber
what
true fable
we just play it a lot
honest kernel
Wrong channel, I'm afraid
gaunt fiber
I designed AP you dummies
rain sedge
weirdhchamp
gaunt fiber
oof
rain sedge
uhhhh bright
small tusk
I love this game
dire steppe
just get 5 sacked instead
true fable
i told you
small tusk
I bought it in steam, how can I support it more else?
true fable
putting it in discord curses the run
dire steppe
tbh pom slices should be affected by sweet nectar
gaunt fiber
you can donate to me
dire steppe
need epic pom blossom build
rain sedge
yea 4 sac at least
true fable
i gift copies to friends who are on the fence
honest kernel
Wait you have friends
rain sedge
#h1-discussion for the wider channel btw
honest kernel
^
small tusk
I come here just for talk about game
nothing else
I love this game, and you all as well
gaunt fiber
you high mate
ivory herald
Hey folks, don't dodge the swear filter please!
small tusk
may be..
gaunt fiber
Hey folks, don't dodge the swear filter please!
We're used to iframe everything, sorry
dire steppe
i’m used to D e f l e c t
ivory herald
me too, my rate of success without athena dash is god awful
dire steppe
You will
gaunt fiber
You got this Schad
rain sedge
this build isnt meant to go fast at boss
yea I'm quite salty tbh
I got literally the perfect build
gaunt fiber
if the build does not go fast, go fast yourself
true fable
i told you
mossy zinc
Divine Dash? Who needs boons at high heat, m I right? Who's with me?
true fable
putting it in discord curses it
dire steppe
honestly i feel like 2 sac should just be fixed with TDx on
like how they remove survival rooms
loud coral
Boonless is EZ, all you need is Hestia and Deadly Strike with Mark and Battle Rage 
mossy zinc
You can still do 5-sack at most heats with TD3.
true fable
f10 that thing
true fable
there should still be a bug reporter right
loud coral
Hades just got Smoldering Air is all
loud coral
there should still be a bug reporter right
nope :(
true fable
also darkness is a solved thing
mossy zinc
Guys.
mossy zinc
Guys.
true fable
if you let him cycle through all 4 moves he will darkness again
mossy zinc
What's a good mirror setup for 32, guys?
loud coral
None
rain sedge
KILL ME
gaunt fiber
haha I get it