h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

Artemis' Aid if you're building for Heart Rend is amazing, actually.

[loud coral]

I honestly never used up the Acorn for Lernie and Theseus so I think I should be okay with Dad, plus Greatest Reflex and Crutch Dash is gonna make dodging easy

[mossy zinc]

Of course, Smoldering Air works, too.

[loud coral]

Might actually spec for Smoldering Air and Athena Call actually, only had it once before but it was pretty insane

[mossy zinc]

Kinda hard to do if you want Heart Rend. You'd be looking for 5 specific boons from 4 gods + their 2 Duo Boons.

Stygian Soul would help, so you don't get offered Lightning Rod lol.

Although Lightning Rod is actually good.

[loud coral]

I guess that's true, I'll just go Aphro attack + Artemis special + Heart Rend + Artemis Aid then

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, double Deadly Flourish sounds good.

[loud coral]

Brain so fuzzy from these runs I forgot what a call was

[mossy zinc]

Why throw one Frost Fair Blade when you can throw two?

Twin Skewer for Guan Yu, please Amir.

[loud coral]

Better than a longer spin at least

[trim sigil]

I'd be definitely sold for that

[obtuse bluff]

damned poison

lost my 32 heat because of that

reached hades with plenty of time but lost 2 dd to it

[mossy zinc]

I pause the game when I get poisoned every time.

[obtuse bluff]

I should too

poison counts as a trap right?

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

It's affected by HL, though.

I guess the poison cloud traps do maybe.

[obtuse bluff]

cause it felt like it killed me faster than usual

[mossy zinc]

That's probably just HL, yeah.

Maybe FO affects tick speed? I actually don't know.

[obtuse bluff]

I didn't have hl

but it might just have been a wrong impression

[mossy zinc]

Did you have BP on?

Sluggers would do more damage.

[obtuse bluff]

yes

sluggers affects poison damage?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah. Sluggers do double damage with everything.

[obtuse bluff]

probably that then

but damn, that's frustrating

so close

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe you got hit several times

[obtuse bluff]

possible

[mossy zinc]

It's pretty good, though, getting all the way to Hades. You'll get him!

[obtuse bluff]

I did get a bit soap-like with my extra dash

[gaunt fiber]

Stacking as well as hangover

[obtuse bluff]

think I had 5 dash or something

[feral bone]

my only strategy i use and that works is S P A M

[rain sedge]

first elysium of the day, chamber 34

6 saviour greatshields.

on a cast build.

I hate this game honestly

[gaunt fiber]

^

[mossy zinc]

I like Savior Greatshields.

[rain sedge]

I actually got to dad, died there

2 sac with patty too

I'm just bad I think

[gaunt fiber]

Classic conclusion

[loud dirge]

Dude this benefits package buff on this caster just made him run away and he was armored and did 24 damage on point black, god what an awful day to not have aoe

[mossy zinc]

O~hohohohoho!

Video is processing. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png?width=813&height=457

[honest kernel]

how do u outrun them fo2 chariots

[mossy zinc]

You don't. Gotta dash through them or through obstacles.

[honest kernel]

i see

i really still gotta get used to FO2

[mossy zinc]

FO2 is very difficult, yeah.

Especially Chariots.

Video is up in #self-promotion. 👸🏽

[honest kernel]

i hate this game after all https://i.imgur.com/B7bZFeQ.png

[mossy zinc]

Epic True Shot is really nice. I like it.

[spring kettle]

Ouch

[honest kernel]

died to dad

any run now...

[sweet briar]

AP is a fun and interesting condition!

[honest kernel]

Is Dark Foresight generally preferred over Olympian Favor?

[cedar thistle]

yes.

[sweet briar]

Heavily depends on what you are going for.

But yeah it is generally preferred

[honest kernel]

in what case would olympian favor be better?

[cedar thistle]

🤷 when you want to farm more meta resources?

[honest kernel]

so not in high heat then

i was wondering if there was a build or anything like that that would prefer it

[sweet briar]

I have seen myself taking it when I am not playing the epic one and playing a build that its damage is all based on one single boon

For instance crit/aphro builds that you want the best rarity for your main attack boon and at the same time you want to find heart rend so you play the duo thing from mirror of night instead of the epic one

[sweet briar]

Well atm I am playing 50heat and have RI2 so I have none

[honest kernel]

oh lmao

i am trying 32 heat with aphro/crit chiron

not doing very good but i'll get there

[sweet briar]

I am playing the same thing in 50 right now

It's great for 32

and even higher

[honest kernel]

i actually wonder if dio would work better

[sweet briar]

but it struggles after like 45 because you can't easily avoid TD3 at that point

[proud jay]

dio chiron is ok

might struggle with TD3

[honest kernel]

i only have TD2 atm so i'll give it a go

[proud jay]

i used dio on chiron for streaking 40 heat wins

[honest kernel]

did you have DC 2 on for 32? i clear a lot slower with it

[sweet briar]

TD2 is fine when you get used to it especially if you can avoid JS and CP (meaning you aren't in hell mode like me )

[sweet briar]

yeah it's kinda free heat with chiron

[honest kernel]

is it? do you do special without target to take a lot off at once?

[sweet briar]

the whole point with TD2 is to get used to applying your attack as fast as possible. After that you will be fine.

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. What's next after doing 32 boonless and mirrorless.

[proud jay]

40 heat RI4

[mossy zinc]

Yours was 40, right?

[proud jay]

i've done 41 or 42 in blood price

41 heat apparently

[mossy zinc]

I might also do 32 RI4 LC4 boonless.

[sweet briar]

Rarely do that. It's a lot more usefull to move and dash correctly so you can put enemies in line and then do your combo if you are talking about rooms with many mobs.

[honest kernel]

alright, that's one more thing i need to work on. thanks for the advice!

[mossy zinc]

Why the ? lol

[proud jay]

how is boonless defined btw

[sweet briar]

Getting used to things like that with crit chiron might be a bit of a grind but you'll get there. GL!

[honest kernel]

The boonless thing that's been going around goes something like : You only do actions that aren't empowered in some way by a boon

Get an attack ? Can't use the attack

[mossy zinc]

You can't benefit from any boons in your run.

[honest kernel]

Get a dash ? Can't use the dash

[proud jay]

alright

[honest kernel]

Get something like Urge to Kill ? Reset the run

[proud jay]

we actually did a boonless meme race but we had kinda loose rules because we weren't sure how to do it

[mossy zinc]

I unmap the button usually, so I don't accidentally use it.

[honest kernel]

To be frank, there hasn't been a consus on it yet

Just a bunch of peeps agreeing on the rules and that's it

[mossy zinc]

That is a concensus.

[honest kernel]

Well I be damned

Not an Official one per say

[cedar thistle]

shackleless boonless 😐

[mossy zinc]

That's just so slow lol.

I guess maybe with Rama.

[ripe crane]

New shackle plz be official soon

[mossy zinc]

Can't submit my run to the speedrun leaderboard, unfortunately.

[fallow stream]

Although Lightning Rod is actually good.
@mossy zinc

I agree. Dunno why players hate it so much.

Does a decent amount of residual damage. I melted Hades with lightning rod + killing freeze. Just ran in circles while he bled out

Had hyper sprint, which actually helped the cheese

[honest kernel]

I've always liked Lightning Rod in non-cast focused builds

Makes the cast actually do something relevant

For casts builds, the reduced-pickup range on the casts is a legitimate downside, for not that much of an upside

[proud jay]

i like it even on cast builds

[dire steppe]

i tried eris boonless and just straight up couldn’t beat hades even at like 10 heat

i was forced into spread fire by ap2

[honest kernel]

Yeah Spread Fire sounds awful on boonless

For non-zag rail

[rain sedge]

lightning rod ruined my poseidon 40 yesterday

and blizzard shot

also my incompetence but yknow

[dire steppe]

i even had cluster bomb and shackle tho lol

just my dps was 0

spent 5 minutes and died to hades phase 1

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Rod kinda carried my 40 Heat Poseidon the other day.

[rain sedge]

h o w .

[dire steppe]

lightning rod op

in styx tbh

[mossy zinc]

Well, Smoldering Air Aphrodite's Aid probably did more ultimately.

[rain sedge]

so just like the time retrash did a zag sword but it's actually the blade rift dash

[mossy zinc]

lol Lightning Rod helped a lot with the DPS.

[dire steppe]

i wish hunting blades worked on blade dash

just get epic greatest reflex and go to town

[rain sedge]

I've been using companion dusa on 40

xD

[dire steppe]

real Gs use bouldy on lc4

[rain sedge]

oooh I forgot you can use that to farm gemstones

[dire steppe]

lc4 bouldy be like: ambiguity bonus

[mossy zinc]

I think haelian had Dusa for one of his 50+ clears.

[rain sedge]

do people actually unironically feed bouldy nectar

[dire steppe]

sad you can’t use companions multiple times in a run it would be funny to try to build sweet surrender and get like 9 companion uses of antos to just assist kill hades

[mossy zinc]

Of course. Damage Reduction or Movement Speed from Bouldy are great.

[rain sedge]

it's like 1%

[mossy zinc]

It's more than that lol.

[dire steppe]

ngl i feel like my runs are better when i get the you-know-what

[rain sedge]

2-4% damage reduction

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[rain sedge]

what's ambiguity bonus?

[mossy zinc]

Does literally nothing.

[dire steppe]

2% ambiguity bonus

[rain sedge]

I thought only streamers do bouldy just for content

[neat furnace]

it doesn't do anything

[dire steppe]

has anyone tried the new rib

[neat furnace]

I mean

if you've got the nectar no point not doing bouldy

[rain sedge]

quick, wave pounding deals bonus damage for ANY boons with knockback right

including the cast?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, there's literally no reason to not give him Nectar and get some minor buff for it.

[honest kernel]

I think Haelien tried the new rib

[dire steppe]

0.2 seconds

[rain sedge]

well... I guess so

[honest kernel]

wasn't all that much better lol

[rain sedge]

friends

wave pounding

affect cast or no?

[honest kernel]

If it's a Poseidon cast it should still work

[rain sedge]

or is it just the knockback itself, I never understood that boon

ok cool

40% bonus let's goo

alecto here I come for revenge

[honest kernel]

If the boon does knockback -> Get damage boost from Wave Pounding

[dire steppe]

P e r m a r a g e d ! ! !

[mossy zinc]

DR gets better the more DR you have, so any DR from Bouldy is good.

[neat furnace]

poseidon cast is so fun

[dire steppe]

does calculated risk stack with the arthur thing

[rain sedge]

yeah I've been enjoying poseidon cast

[honest kernel]

Don't see why it shouldn't

[neat furnace]

Poseidon cast with Poseidon sword is so nice

[mossy zinc]

And Skelly was already good. First 50 Heat by horheristo and first 52 by me were both with Skelly summon.

[neat furnace]

especially with extra stones and cast damage from chaos

[mossy zinc]

More HP and less damage from Zagreus would just make him better.

[neat furnace]

skelly's useful, but for speed running less so

[mossy zinc]

Obviously lol.

[rain sedge]

I didn't get said bonus sadly

[mossy zinc]

I don't really care too much for speedruns.

[rain sedge]

how much HP is skelly again?

it took all boss HP?

I might use that, been dying at meg and lernie

I mean it take all boss attack?

[honest kernel]

Basically, it makes the boss target Skelly instead of you

Or any enemy for that matter

[mossy zinc]

AOE can still hit you, though.

[honest kernel]

It's good for Erebus Gates too

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[rain sedge]

it actually was alecto

ooooh erebus gate

so smart

I'll do it when I die this run

I've been using dusa to help me on lernie and meg

[mossy zinc]

I used Skelly mainly for dealing with adds vs Hades and Erebus.

[rain sedge]

does he take lava/trap damage?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

He dies pretty fast if he gets pushed on magma vs Lernie.

[rain sedge]

oof

[mossy zinc]

If you want help vs Furies and Lernie specifically, Antos is your best pick.

[honest kernel]

wait vs Lernie

what

[rain sedge]

I struggle with the 6 heads thing

antos does jack for that

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but they skip the phase after that even with CP2, so you just gotta survive that part and you're out.

[rain sedge]

ohhh noo power couple miniboss again??

I've died to this so many times today already

[honest kernel]

Meg vs Lernie with CP2 is like 100 damage off

Of 1 phase

[mossy zinc]

But you can't summon Meg vs Meg lol.

So she can't help with both.

[honest kernel]

Vs the furies I agree 100%

But with Lernie it's about the same sooo

[rain sedge]

I need to handle the extra heads basically

[honest kernel]

Only Skelly will help you with that

Maybe Dusa ?

Otherwise 6 heads will be a problem

[mossy zinc]

Skelly can also just get pushed onto magma in that fight and do nothing lol.

[honest kernel]

Yeah, gotta be careful to not summon him too close to the lava or vs a yellow magma-spitting head

But even if you kill half the heads as he dies, it's still worth

Since you should have at 'least one relatively safe zone of the arena

By that point

[mossy zinc]

Definitely can help a lot, yeah.

I really don't like when I have to use a summon in that fight, personally.

[honest kernel]

Same

But sometimes, the panic Meg calls

as I am 1 hit away from death and don't want to throw that one

[mossy zinc]

Same.

[rain sedge]

well

I suppose I better git gud

lernie now, brb

[mossy zinc]

Good luck!

[rain sedge]

it's fine, this run my boons are pretty bad

no mirage shot or extra cast or hermes boons

[mossy zinc]

Sometimes you get White Lernie + 5 white heads on melee and just accept that you're dead.

[honest kernel]

"Ok, so Head 1 is ramming, Head 2 is about to ram, I should be able to get in after tha- nevermind the big head rushed in and is about to ram too"

[mossy zinc]

And probably hit you for 32 from off-screen when it rushed in lol.

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

Even for Shield they are annoying

Especially with 1-dash

Non-beo shield, that is

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf and I still don't talk.

[honest kernel]

Same

But I've seen what others can do with it at 50+ heat

[rain sedge]

gonna time out at heroes sadly

just not enough damage with these very basic boons

[gaunt fiber]

have you tried being faster?

[rain sedge]

ffs

oh hypnos told me I've died 500 times, great

[gaunt fiber]

Oh nice, I'm not there yet

[true fable]

poseidon sword still propagating suffering in the world i see

[rain sedge]

lernie is so dangerous

took my spare DD from athena

on his last breath

I should've antosed it

greedy again, so bad

elysium erebus spawns miniboss??? what????

[honest kernel]

And now you know why Elysium Erebus gates are not worth the risk

[rain sedge]

it was +50 Hp

I almost got it

[true fable]

bruh

[rain sedge]

got offered another free DD and I didnt lose mine

the lord is tempting me soooo hard

timed out AGAIN

done for the day I think, this is too triggering

[ripe crane]

I wanna play this game but all the test branch stuff is going to change everything, but also they aren't official yet

So there's no point in trying anything aaaaaAAAAHHH

[mossy zinc]

The point is giving them feedback to help make the game even better.

[tidal flame]

Test out stuff in that?

[ripe crane]

I only care about furthering my own accomplishments, not bettering the general state of the game and creating a more enjoyable experience for other players

[mossy zinc]

How evil.

[ripe crane]

Therefore I will make it known that the shackle buffs are insufficient. 150% minimum

[cinder cave]

Just make shackled boonless> completed ME builds

[rain sedge]

almost broke my controller dying at hades fight

I was mid animation for my special, which would've triggered exit wounds and killed him

and I died.

this game isn't good for my health honestly

[true fable]

ah yes

pain

poseidon sword's only purpose

[gritty sorrel]

you know i felt like i woul dget curbstomped at 32 but i managed to make it to lernie my first time at 32 so this feels eminently possible with pain and angst

[rain sedge]

bright

you did all 40

is poseidon sword really hard or am I just a clown

should I do the shield or fist first?

[true fable]

it is hard

at the end of the day it's still a sword

ask baj though he got sword first try lmao

maybe you just need cursed flurry slash

[mossy zinc]

Sword is hard at 40+.

[rain sedge]

baj is baj

alright after today I'll just do fists

it's so frustrating I got so close to finishing off hades

[mossy zinc]

I got close at 32 RI4 boonless like four or five times before I made it.

Nerves are a thing.

[ripe crane]

^^^^ y'all think boons and hammers are the rng in this game, actually it's your own emotions

[honest kernel]

I didn't do sword first try lol

Toyed around with Flood Shoot, and died a bunch

Just went with Zeus cast and it worked better

Melee in general is a lot harder at high heat

[gaunt fiber]

Almost got to phase 3

[true fable]

oh was it not

mb

flood shot is fun

but electric shot is probably better

[rain sedge]

it's harder to find the cast stone afterwards

[honest kernel]

On the other hand you deal with rooms a lot better

[ripe crane]

High heat strat: alcohol

[gaunt fiber]

Playing while tired has the same effect

nothing in mind, watch you playing

[ripe crane]

what

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah idk

[loud coral]

Glass cannon GY on 32 heat is so fun and unfun at the same time

Gotta fight furies with less than 30 health, doesn't help when they just spam projectiles meant to deal like 8 damage a hit

[gaunt fiber]

glass cannon ?

[loud coral]

Basically an arbitrary challenge where I use level 1 GY and High Confidence then try to force myself to not get any health pickups when possible

[gaunt fiber]

hey

that's nice

[loud coral]

Currently fighting Alecto with 23 health

i died

[true fable]

in my head flood shot had better bossing

not sure though

just because you can get mirage + wave pounding

i actually super super rate razor shoals on flood shot builds

that thing is sick

[gaunt fiber]

why do I feel like boonless hestia with piercing is better than GY

[loud coral]

Because it is

[gaunt fiber]

I'm watcing Nyaanyaa's run

300 dmg per shot

I mean I deal a bit more with skewer/heartbreak flourish

But I have to charge lol

[loud coral]

Plus you can take more than 3 hits with Hestia

[gaunt fiber]

reload is faster too

than charging dash etc

I might try it someday

GY is superior at room clearing though

that's fair

[loud coral]

But is Hestia a spear?

The answer is no so GY is clearly better smh

[gaunt fiber]

yeah you're right

[loud coral]

Don't you love it when you get 3 boons you really need but are also forced to take 3 centaur hearts in a run where you don't want centaur hearts

[gaunt fiber]

w/e

HL5 no more hearts

[rain sedge]

mirage shot is the reason I go for flood shot

ok how does chaos's free DD work with SD?

do I have to lose my original SD or is it always added

somehow I got it

[gaunt fiber]

you're welcome mate

[loud coral]

It's like Athena's extra DDs but you don't have to lose an SD to get it

[rain sedge]

cool that doesnt matter somehow I died to tis

[gaunt fiber]

Most of the time losing a SD means nothing to me

but sometimes I play decently

and it's a pain to sacrifice these hp

[ripe crane]

Gun good. Spear bad

[loud coral]

Spear good, Shield bad

[honest kernel]

🔫

[loud coral]

except zeus shield that one's kinda fun

[rain sedge]

unironically true

[gaunt fiber]

well

I'm behind the times

you all have a nice title next to your name

You look cool

[ripe crane]

I meant to remove mine after like a hour but I forgot

[rain sedge]

noooo keep it

helps recognises people

rather than writing notes about them

fun fact: there was an annoying person coming to this channel at some point, and I meant to add a note "annoying" to their name

but I accidentally whispered them 😂

[ripe crane]

"accidentally"

[gaunt fiber]

two questions

who's that person and do I have a note?

[rain sedge]

your note says "bullied by channel"

[gaunt fiber]

wow

ok

Channel is another spelling for Nyaanyaa I guess

[rain sedge]

nah it's the person who came here and whined about how they can't do 32 because, I quote, "the game won't do what I want"

[ripe crane]

xd

[rain sedge]

something along the line of the game is broken just for them specifically

[gaunt fiber]

I remember that person

[rain sedge]

and rudely shot down people who are trying to help

[gaunt fiber]

Bullied by channel.

[rain sedge]

add it to your name

it'll be funny

[true fable]

i just changed my name

maybe i should do the |

like all the cool kids

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah you changed PP too days ago

[true fable]

blammo

yeah the old one i got at the beginning of qtine

was time for a change

[loud coral]

So I got the perfect build for a glass cannon GY but I'm gonna have to go up against Dad with 1 SD

53 health

[ripe crane]

That's the max amount of SDs you're allowed, yes

[rain sedge]

you gonna beat astaos to 50 GY?

[loud coral]

Acorn's gonna last me until Phase 2 and then I can take 2 hits

32 for now but still

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah idk why you people cheat with multiple SD

Dad fight is 1 SD, 50 hp per life bar

[honest kernel]

I haven't for my 55 heat clear

sue me

[gaunt fiber]

two hits out of acorn you dead

[rain sedge]

this is the reason I didn't think my 50 clear was worth noting btw

in the same week I did it, we have... let's see

[loud coral]

at least i got charged skewer

[gaunt fiber]

50 heat is never free young man

[rain sedge]

crepes 53, 6x40 deathless by bablo, 55 by baj

and other things

[cinder cave]

Because I'm bad and I need more crutches

why else

[loud coral]

Welp up against Dad now

Didn't even get less than 50 health

[rain sedge]

uhhhh which chamber number is the shop before lernie?

[loud coral]

23

[rain sedge]

cool thanks

[loud coral]

Usually at least

[rain sedge]

I wouldn't take the chaos gate then

[loud coral]

Yeah nvm FO0 is making this fight a joke so far

[true fable]

not unless you need chaos

i only take chamber 13/23 chaos if i need a stone for beowulf tbh

[rain sedge]

I was considering it for the stone/cast but

too risky

[dire steppe]

do people usually use infernal soul on achilles or stygian

ive been taking stygian

[true fable]

i like infernal

depends on the cast

[dire steppe]

hunting blaed

[true fable]

ah i like stygian for hunting blades

but i think im gonna try doing arty start from now on with achilles

so infernal for me always

idk we'll see

[rain sedge]

im a pretty poor achilles player but, I always run infernal

[loud coral]

I like Stygian personally, if you get an extra bloodstone from Chaos it's a lot better but even 1 cast is usually the better pick for bosses

I usually use attacks for biomes otherwise

[rain sedge]

high roll for quick reload

5head

[gaunt fiber]

yay

I rare cropped the cast I was going to sell

[loud coral]

Yeah that run was a joke lmfao

Didn't even use up the acorn

Might shoot for Glass Cannon GY 40 next but I'll probably be forced to take FO2 which sucks

[rain sedge]

astaos in shambles

[loud coral]

I'm still mad I was forced to have 53 health, usually the run's failed if I go above 50

Still won I guess

[gaunt fiber]

oh you're not on FO2

it's the salt of my runs

[loud coral]

yees

Also why I'll probably never touch 40 with this challenge

[rain sedge]

high rolled for greater recall and wasted all my rerolls for useless boons 😦 😦 😦

survived with literally 1 HP monkaGIGA

oh no

heroes after that

I got free room that I didn't want

I'm ruined I think

[cinder cave]

ruh roh

[rain sedge]

yea theseus owned me with a 90 hit rocket

time to redo my pact I think

[gaunt fiber]

If i follow the AP2 way

my life will be resetting until getting skewer out of tartarus

Am I able to endure that?

[ripe crane]

doubt

[rain sedge]

seed it, you're on PC

[gaunt fiber]

I don't wanna do that

"but man it's the same thing"

"yeah but not really"

"ok you stupid"

[unreal pasture]

Doing GY runs?

[rain sedge]

I mean I'm against it but I don't run with a weapon that need a specific hammer at 50

[gaunt fiber]

yeah for a change

[rain sedge]

I would reset at chamber 8 if I dont' get lightning strike but

that's basically it

[honest kernel]

Meanwhile I stick around with a common tempest strike on shield

on AP2

I don't like resetting

[gaunt fiber]

I don't wanna time out

[honest kernel]

Fair enough

[gaunt fiber]

I mean

I can reach Elysium

But if I don't get skewer there the run is over

[honest kernel]

For Guan-Yu that's understandable

[rain sedge]

for eris, no lightning strike at chamber 8 means I'll time out

[ripe crane]

Why not start Zeus

[rain sedge]

sometimes I get hammer, or it gets APed

[gaunt fiber]

100% of my hammers got massive spin

I think I need a similar setup to practice EM4

whole runs are killing me

[honest kernel]

Turn HL all the way down

[gaunt fiber]

prolly yeah

[honest kernel]

That'll give you the opportunities you need to train for the fight

[gaunt fiber]

HL 0 piercing butterfly let's go

[gaunt fiber]

why does HL0 make me play better?

[honest kernel]

Because you don't play as scared

[gaunt fiber]

damn

[honest kernel]

The moment you flinch is the moment you get hit in an action game

Same applies to Hades

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

When I have acorn I'm fine

[dire steppe]

divine protection seems pretty good tbh

it’s like acorn 2

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/782395766081060874/unknown.png Does cerberus just 1-shot you if he touches you? cause it certainly felt like it

[edgy arrow]

it’s prolly like HS urns and he “technically” only does 300 damage or something

[honest kernel]

I don't think it's that much damage

Might be around 60-80 or something

'cause I remember the numbers from when I got nabbed by the doggo

[north dove]

He touched me for at least 200

[honest kernel]

Well do you still have the footage

[north dove]

Yeah

[honest kernel]

Might be worth checking again

Cerberus DOES arrive with plenty of ceiling (Which also come from nowhere lol) circles that do a LOT of damage

[edgy arrow]

might be like 100 without HL5

i’d believe that

[honest kernel]

And with PL, it would be easy to land on 2-3 of them at the same time as Cerberus hits you

[edgy arrow]

true

[honest kernel]

Then again

We have footage, we should wait for Retrash to review it

[rain sedge]

that undodgable red circles was my bane

[honest kernel]

Also, question for you @north dove : How effective was the Cruel Thrust hammer

[north dove]

better than nothing I guess

[honest kernel]

You'd think with Zag Sword's innate attack speed it would be good

but lol

[gaunt fiber]

@honest kernel I'm enjoying the game again, thanks

[edgy arrow]

really? usually seems about the same as nothing when i’m forced to take it lol

[rain sedge]

why zag sword retrash?

am I missing something

[north dove]

why not

[honest kernel]

^

[edgy arrow]

zag sword heat pushing is retrash’s thing

[rain sedge]

cool cool cool cool

I guess there's only one other worse aspect

[edgy arrow]

yeah

eris rail

dabs

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/782398888840658984/cerberus-no.mp4 Yeah so Cerberus drive-by is a thing

[gaunt fiber]

oof

Cerberus loves you

[edgy arrow]

yike

lmao he howls when he kills you

cute

[tidal flame]

that was so fast lmao

[true fable]

yeah in the bottom left corner if he stomps on you it's 200 i think

[cinder cave]

200!

I liked the voice lines but

that was brutal

[tidal flame]

though is this man really bringing zag sword all the way to Hades on 54 lol

[north dove]

you better believe it

[edgy arrow]

fool retrash brought a sword to a DOGGO fight

[honest kernel]

Yeah ok that was a straight 200

Holy moly

[cinder cave]

Cerberus companion when

[honest kernel]

Doggo's the biggest damage hit in the game like damn

[rain sedge]

christ almighty that was like

you couldn't react to that

[honest kernel]

The one thing you do know

Is that Cerberus will run through the center of the arena

[rain sedge]

btw what's the natural dislodge time for a cast?

[honest kernel]

On the top of my head, I don't know

Probably like 15 seconds

[rain sedge]

I guess skelly can be my guinea pig

something like 20

[honest kernel]

I checked myself

Was 15 seconds

In fact, I could record it real quick

[rain sedge]

ok my counting was fast then]

(I counted in my head)

[edgy arrow]

i always thought it was 10 for some reason lol

i obviously count slow

[rain sedge]

I thought 10 too

[edgy arrow]

wait what

you just said 20

[rain sedge]

no I thought 10, tested it on skelly and counted in my head pretending it's seconds

and got to 19

[edgy arrow]

oh ok

fair enough

wow that’s actually a super long time

[honest kernel]

So I recorded real quick

It takes 15 seconds to dislodge

[cinder cave]

Tbf it wouldn't surprise me if your time perception of how long a cast is lodged for

[rain sedge]

cool just wondering if I could've waited at that dad fight and just dodge for 15 seconds

probably not

I'm still mad about that fight

[cinder cave]

isn't exactly great when you're dodging 20 attacks per seocnd

[rain sedge]

taking HL2 now and using AP1 instead

[honest kernel]

Time perception is a real issue in action games

And the reason why peeps consider Stubborn Roots even good

When, in fact, at the high heat, it's like way too slow

[edgy arrow]

i thought it was great for ages lol

but yeah

[cinder cave]

definitely is too slow

[rain sedge]

I mean the only reason it's not good is TD3

[cinder cave]

think it would be good if it scaled off max hp

but that's about it

[edgy arrow]

it also has the secondary issue where you have to have dem in your pool lol

[cinder cave]

[honest kernel]

Having a Dem attack or Special isn't a bad thing

In fact, the few times I did it actually was really good

for EM4

[cinder cave]

AP2 nourished soul is always a good opener

[honest kernel]

But that ain't preventing ⚱️ deaths

[edgy arrow]

there’re worse things for sure

but there’s pretty much always better options i feel

[rain sedge]

wait

[cinder cave]

from where i'm sitting

[rain sedge]

I'm a big clown

[honest kernel]

You know how peeps recommend not having FO maxed if you can

[edgy arrow]

obviously in an actual run you work with what you’re given

[rain sedge]

boiling blood only improves attack and special right

[honest kernel]

Chill BASICALLY tones the FO down for bosses

[cinder cave]

Dem is noob friendly and is a good option early on

[rain sedge]

so if I'm only going to cast

[honest kernel]

If you can apply it fast enough

[rain sedge]

I should do abyssal blood

[cinder cave]

but I kinda feel like it gets pushed out at high heat

[rain sedge]

have i been a clown tell me guys

[cinder cave]

by optimised builds

[honest kernel]

For EM4, it's a legit option

It's also Damage Reduction

[cinder cave]

then again, chill itself is still useful

better have enough damage though

[honest kernel]

You don't focus her, but having it as a secondary thing is also helpful

[edgy arrow]

aphro is essentially strictly better for high heat imo

but dem is fine

[cinder cave]

right

Dem is a supportive god

[honest kernel]

I wouldn't say Strictly, but in most cases, yes

[cinder cave]

indeed

[edgy arrow]

sure

[rain sedge]

bahahah AP1 crossed out mirage shot

instant punishment

could've had it on chamber 9

great stuff, great stuff

[edgy arrow]

i wanna go back to when i didn’t run AP at all

those were the days amirite

[rain sedge]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

ANOTHER ONE

the second room was artemis room

and it got crossed out again

I'm done with this game honestly

[honest kernel]

Game, you can stop teasing Schad now

Lad's had enough

[rain sedge]

this poseidon 40 has been way more frustrating than the eris 50

[true fable]

yup

[honest kernel]

Not surprised one bit

[rain sedge]

that was actually disgusting, I'm gonna remove AP when I'm done

seriously. I can't believe that.

[honest kernel]

for 40 heat AP is best turned off yeah

[rain sedge]

I keep dying to HL5 dad so I thought I'd do it

[true fable]

do not turn on AP for cast builds

that should be pinned in this channel

LMAO

[rain sedge]

I have arty keepsake for asphodel

who wanna bet it's crossed out again

[honest kernel]

Me

[gaunt fiber]

AP is the poison of the soul

[rain sedge]

cool quick reload is crossed out on hermes that's cool

[gaunt fiber]

Stahp

[cinder cave]

tbf

I literally think AP would be less of a kick in the gonads

if they didn't show you literally what the game is crossing out

as a huge middle finger to you

[honest kernel]

Many have been saying this in the past

Nothing's been done for it yet

🤷‍♂️

[cinder cave]

just a feelsbad mechanic honestly

and unnecessary I would imagine

[gaunt fiber]

Nah

It would be better to see the 3 options. Then a minigame plays, crossing out an option. You know, like slot machines

[rain sedge]

you know the boons shown on AP is not the same as the ones hidden right

based on how the chance in the game work

[gaunt fiber]

You would pay one obol to trigger the game

Dude I'm just a natural born game designer

[true fable]

the game rolls 3 boons and then rolls the cross randomly

[rain sedge]

yea idk why I keep playing this game if it makes me this angry

maybe I should uninstall, this is becoming an unhealthy addiction

[gaunt fiber]

Noooo

No AP no cries

[honest kernel]

If the heat pushing is what makes you unhappy, you can simply stop, or put it on hold

Games are meant to be fun, first and foremost

[sweet briar]

Talking about anger, like 10 minutes ago I lost a 50heat run with chiron crit in hades phase 3 because of 5sack. Fastest alt F4 I have ever done in my life...

[rain sedge]

yea I remember when that happened to my eris 50

twice

[honest kernel]

... yeah I have one hell of an hatred for ⚱️ s alright

[sweet briar]

It was outrageous, to say the least. Even more because it happened on a very good run after 5-6 days grind.

[honest kernel]

Happens

Got screwed of an 55 heat attempt because of the 4+ sack too

Not sure if it was a 4 or 5 sack because I died in the room, but the timer was super tight for a TD3 EM3 run

[rain sedge]

just mod it to be always 2 sac if you're on PC

not even kidding

[honest kernel]

I like my runs to be valid for unseeded, thanks

[rain sedge]

I forgot you record your runs

but IIRC there's no way to prove it's not modded to be 2 sac

anyway I hate styx with a passion

[tidal flame]

You doing it for the board?

[honest kernel]

Sort of

But it's mostly that If I were to seed the game for 2-sack, why stop there lol

Gimme a good start with hammer -> early boon

[sweet briar]

I mean it's frustrating but on the other hand it's how the game is supposed to be so I wouldn't change it.

[proud jay]

can't really seed for 2 sack specifically

you'd have to route all the way up to styx

[rain sedge]

sac mechanics is easily the worst game design aspect in this game

no I saw the hermes cup, the speedrunners always get 3 sac

[proud jay]

that's modding

[tidal flame]

Yeah it's modded

[honest kernel]

^

[tidal flame]

Not seeded

[honest kernel]

And if you saw my 55 heat clear

[rain sedge]

I'd unironically do that if I'm on PC

[honest kernel]

I would NEVER start with a common tempest strike lmao

in an ideal scenario

[sweet briar]

I think starting with certain options in the first room should be allowed. It doesn't change anything as you can just reset over and over again just to get what you want.

[tidal flame]

To each their own. But if I'm not playing it for a leaderboard and just to know if I can (personal challenge), I have no gripe seeding the runs or modding 2 sacs

[honest kernel]

That's more than fair enough

'tis a single player game

[tidal flame]

This is what I have been saying. But people like the prestige of being able to say they do it unseeded.

So ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Not so say that unseeded doesn't take skill

It does

[proud jay]

the problem is that seeded and routed are technically the same category

[tidal flame]

But so does seeded runs

[sweet briar]

Now that we are talking about things like that, does anyone know why HM isn't allowed on runs? It makes zero sense to me

[tidal flame]

Hm?

[honest kernel]

Hellmode

[proud jay]

as a sr com mod i can agree that hell mode ban makes absolutely no sense

[honest kernel]

Basically, for an even playing ground with Non-hellmode players

[proud jay]

there's one mod that's against hell mode for whatever reason

[sweet briar]

I am on HM and I can tell you that many times, HM makes the game a lot harder because it forces you to take certain pacts

[honest kernel]

Because SGG won't allow PL on regular saves, on top of hell-mode restricting you to some non-ideal pact modifiers

[proud jay]

but now that we have more high heat categories and they're gaining some attention, i'll give you my word that we'll get rid of that rule

[tidal flame]

No I agree. That's why I used to suggest that runs should be categorize by starting boon rarity instead. But I also understand that this is an overly complicated solution.

[honest kernel]

Is that an official word, or a personnal one

[rain sedge]

hmmm okay I've decided all this anger and time wasting is bad for my life

I'm happy enough with my 50 eris and 40 chiron, gonna stop high heat there

[proud jay]

you can quote me on that

[honest kernel]

Gotcha

[rain sedge]

gonna leave the discord so I don't get tempted, thanks for the company y'all

[proud jay]

in fact i'll bring it up again right now

[rain sedge]

been fun

see ya

[tidal flame]

Bye glad to have you

Your mental health comes first

[honest kernel]

Most of all, take care

[tidal flame]

andddd he's gone

sniff

[proud jay]

oh

[sweet briar]

Such extreme measures? Hope it helps anyways. Bye

[tidal flame]

I kinda get it. I banged my head against 50 Heat Demeter Fists for a while

A couples of close runs at Hades

In the end I just give up lol

[honest kernel]

Pushing the heat level is surprisingly addictive

[tidal flame]

I'm not that good at this game and that's ok xD I can take pride in the fact that I am still more decent than most though.

give and take

[honest kernel]

Pretty sure you are on the top here

[tidal flame]

not to brag but I'm the bottom of best

xD

I'm p self aware

[honest kernel]

Which isn't a bad thing lol

[tidal flame]

no it's really not

I'm happy playuing this game lol. I stick around here to watch people do great things, which is also great 😄

[honest kernel]

I'm gonna be real

I'm surprised I hit the 55 heat mark this fast

[sweet briar]

What were you using?

[honest kernel]

I'll I've been doing prior is screw around with jank stuff at 32 heat, and even then I'd often turn it down

Zeus aspect of Shield

[sweet briar]

oh ok, I strongly dislike the shield and I am not very happy that is one of the strongest choices in very high heat

[honest kernel]

Chaos and Beowful are MUCH more consistent

And even then, Bow and Rail are pretty solid contenders

With bow being the highest right now

[tidal flame]

yeah, high heat used to be a bit of a grind for chaos

with chaos "nerf" many other aspects come to the spotlight

Rama is one. I used to think it's trash tier

[honest kernel]

Don't need to quote the word nerf

[tidal flame]

I was so wrong lmao

[honest kernel]

It's actually huge for rooms

[sweet briar]

I would try rama but I don't want to abandon the crit chiron 50heat push just yet. I want to make it work even if I am forced to play JS and CP because of HM...

[honest kernel]

Consider TD2 then

if not already at that level

or EM3

[tidal flame]

Did you post your heat setup somewhere?

[honest kernel]

^

[tidal flame]

I'm just curious

[sweet briar]

Started trying TD2 with FO2 today. I guess we'll see if it goes any better.

[honest kernel]

If you were short on time in say Elysium or Dad himself

TD2 will make that issue non-existent

Assuming you were on TD3

8 minutes overall for the run is a TON of time

[tidal flame]

36 mins run

is a long time

[sweet briar]

That doesn't seem right with the build I have in mind with chiron. It has zero clear and the only thing I can do is try to position mobs in straight lines using movement and dashes.

[honest kernel]

You mean crit chiron ? It should still be enough

[sweet briar]

maybe if you try chiron with something like drunken flourish and heartbreak strike.

crit chiron with 8 minutes overall?

[honest kernel]

8 MORE minutes

That's the difference

[sweet briar]

oh ok LOL

[honest kernel]

And yes, that's what I ran for my easy 40 heat clear

Never had time issues

at TD3

[sweet briar]

I never had time issues on my 45heat with crit chiron either. But then 50 came and got f*ed...

[honest kernel]

if you don't mind

what is actually your heat setup

[sweet briar]

HL5 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM4 CP1 BP2 MM UC FO2 RI2 DC2 AP1 TD2 and PL on my last run if I remember correctly

[proud jay]

idk what people do now in 1.0 but back in the day CP was one of the worst options

[honest kernel]

Hellmode forces it

[sweet briar]

...

[proud jay]

oh didn't see PL listed there

or is PL even forced?

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

[sweet briar]

that's the only reason JS1 and CP1 are there. HM...

[honest kernel]

js1, cp1, hl1, lc1 and pl are all forced

[sweet briar]

PL is the fifth that is forced

[proud jay]

JS1 CP1 should be fine with TD2 tho

CP just makes EM4 much harder

[honest kernel]

Could always consider more JS and CP instead of EM4

With TD2 it should be fine

EM4 with even CP1 is insanely hard

[sweet briar]

With FO1 I didn't really have problems in EM4 hades most of the time. FO2 makes it a lot harder

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

FO2 is 3 heat that is HARD to replace at this point

But is part of what makes EM4 stupid

[sweet briar]

The last couple of days I am changing between TD3 and FO2 and I am not sure yet which is better for me

[honest kernel]

I'll tell you right now : EM4 is likely a turn off for 50

If you can avoid it

[proud jay]

chiron special is kind of a long animation for FO2 EM4

[sweet briar]

I make up for it with excellent positioning

but yeah it's pretty ridiculous

[honest kernel]

No positionning's saving you from that instant-spear throw

[proud jay]

if you can pull it off don't mind me

[honest kernel]

^

[proud jay]

but EM4 still probably harder than other options

[honest kernel]

^^^^^^

I learned that the hard way when I did my 55 heat attempts

[sweet briar]

If I could avoid JS and CP TD3 would be easy with crit chiron. That's a big limitation.

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

[proud jay]

in my experience chiron is one of the slower weapons

[sweet briar]

But I will try something with EM3 I guess tomorrow.

[proud jay]

at least in normal speedruns

it really takes a while to get your build together

[honest kernel]

And in the meantime rooms take a while too

Until you get good hammers

[proud jay]

and styx is just awful

[sweet briar]

I don't find styx too hard but it certainly takes more time than other weapons/builds because of how small the rooms are

[proud jay]

yeah not hard, just slow

[honest kernel]

And slow means death when TD3 is involved

at high heat

[sweet briar]

The thing about styx is that either you have something good on your hands or you don't by that point so it's mostly about the number of sacks that you are going to get. At least from my own experience

[honest kernel]

Number of sacks matter mostly at TD3

and EM4

[edgy arrow]

^

[honest kernel]

Cut one of them out of the equation and suddenly it's not as big an issue

[sweet briar]

Well it mattered on TD2 as well in my last run... LOL

5 whole sacks

[honest kernel]

But you ran EM4

and got a 1.5%

[sweet briar]

yy

[proud jay]

btw is there an up to date high heat clear list?

[edgy arrow]

nope

[honest kernel]

Krashercorr's on and off. Nyaa tried to start one but no one knows about it lol

And then there's the Speedrun.com 50 heat list

Those are the only lists I know of

[proud jay]

idk if too many people care about srcom 50 heat list lol

although apparently there's a korean dude who submitted some stuff to it

[honest kernel]

Well I got a comment from someone that said they did find my run from there

for the 50 heat clear I submitted

So some do care

[proud jay]

alright

[sweet briar]

I got the GD yesterday from nyaa so at some point I should start recording my runs in case I make it...

[honest kernel]

But yeah, not the most common place

But it's probably the most visible one

[proud jay]

yeah probably

[honest kernel]

I mean, a pin in a discord-channel, really ?

[proud jay]

high heat people are a weird minority

always have been

[edgy arrow]

true lol

i’m barely even a high heat person and i still seem to have gone higher than the vast majority of players

[honest kernel]

According to Steam stats for achievements

5.0% of players have acquired the second Skelly statue

Which is for 16 heat

[tidal flame]

32 heat is much harder than 16 heat

[honest kernel]

So yeah, we very much are a minority

[tidal flame]

we did this analysis before

we speculated 32 heat is probably 1%

6x32 is lower than that

and 40+ clearers

[true fable]

i just wish we could get another editor on the spreadsheet 🤷‍♂️

[tidal flame]

haha

we have wriste13 right?

[proud jay]

yeah but he doesn't really follow this stuff anymore

he's all about speedrun memes

[true fable]

its fine i dont really have a laptop that can record stuff reliably anyway

[tidal flame]

😦

buy another laptop

[true fable]

pc shipping this week though

yeah

[edgy arrow]

i mean

[true fable]

i want to stay true and try 50 heat beowulf but achilles is looking kinda tasty

[edgy arrow]

we could easily just copy the spreadsheet

[sweet briar]

What are you guys using for recording? OBS?

[edgy arrow]

and start again

[tidal flame]

or vomit $250 for a screen recorder (not screen capture)

OBS yeah

[true fable]

i use mf xbox gamebar lmao

[tidal flame]

if you stream you can do StreamLabs, which really is just OBS with more bells and whistles

[honest kernel]

OBS Studio is what I use

[sweet briar]

Nah I am not really in the streaming industry.

[honest kernel]

With Voicemeeter Banana for audio stuff

[tidal flame]

OBS would do you justice

[honest kernel]

OBS Studio does recording just fine

[true fable]

if your laptop cant run either xbox game bar will at least get 30 fps recordings

[honest kernel]

I don't stream lol, only record

[true fable]

that you can submit

[sweet briar]

ok I figured since it's very well-known. Thanks for the info.

[tidal flame]

It's really simple. I have some gameplay footage including a 12 min 32 heat runs that I should really submit to erase my 16 mins attempt xD

[true fable]

but obs is probably your best bet if you dont have a potato like me

[tidal flame]

OBS is great if you have a potato though?

[edgy arrow]

pls submit good times at 32 times yus

[honest kernel]

Hell, the Voicemeeter program literally has a variant called Voicemeeter Potato

[true fable]

it literally will not work for me lmao

hades crashes

[edgy arrow]

i submitted as a joke when there weren’t many people and i’m still in the top 10 and it’s getting embarrassing

[true fable]

do you see what im working with here

[honest kernel]

32 heat is boneless anyheat anyways

40 heat is where it's at

[true fable]

i know theres a lot of people with sub 10s out there that they havent bothered to submit

32 heat is indeed boneless anyheat

i had an 11:xx beo time i woulda submitted if it werent for the fact that i feel bad for the verifiers

[edgy arrow]

lol fair

[sweet briar]

I didn't pay much attention to 32. I just continued pushing higher heat.

Every time I cleared some amount of heat I went to the next goal

[edgy arrow]

i still wanna get my 24x32

but i’m bad lol

[sweet briar]

and now I am stuck at 50 playing only crit chiron and getting frustrated...

[edgy arrow]

try hangover chiron

at least for variety

[honest kernel]

Honestly without EM4 Hangover Chiron could work

Since a Dio special does better for rooms filled with small foes

[sweet briar]

someone told me that someone has already cleared 51 with hangover chiron and it stopped being interesting LOL

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure crit chiron 50 has also been done

that shouldn’t be a reason to not do it

[honest kernel]

In fact, if it isn't, I'd consider doing it lol

[sweet briar]

so if you know of someone that has cleared 50 with crit chiron just tell me who it is and put me out of my misery

I am just joking anyway. I should try hangover chiron too. Seems a lot different.

[honest kernel]

Low Tolerance is the big powerspike you want

Can also consider getting Curse of Vengeance for the Dio/Ares duo

[sweet briar]

Hey please don't! lol

[true fable]

i think interpretivetwerking mightve

i know he'd done up to 45 all using chiron

[sweet briar]

I have cleared 45 with crit chiron as well.

[true fable]

bet

[edgy arrow]

aren’t then like 10 crit chiron 45s on the spreadsheet alone

okay 5 that’s still a lot

[proud jay]

even i've done 45 heat chiron

[sweet briar]

anyways I should go do some cleaning up and stop whining about 50heat. Thanks for the tips, hope they help!

[edgy arrow]

okay imma try get chiron 45 rq

seems like all the cool kids have done it

[trim sigil]

Clearly doing frost flourish chiron 50 is the goal

No one has ever done that, and you'd be the coolest kid in the yard

[dire steppe]

I feel like 100% of hades players have cleared 56 heat

[ripe crane]

Actually Hades would be the coolest kid in the yard if you beat him with frost flourish

[dire steppe]

the rest of us are just hades amateurs

[trim sigil]

only if graveyard counts

[north dove]

Decent run ruined by triple butterfly ball spawn on dad phase 1 😦

[true fable]

😦

why do we have like 1 high heat strimmer btw

[tidal flame]

we have one?

[ripe crane]

I stream almost every day

All of my attempts.

However I don't usually talk cause there's nobody in chat and I mainly just do it as a way to record

[tidal flame]

what's your twitch? i probably won't chat but i'll have it open on a tab and glance in once in a while

[ripe crane]

https://www.twitch.tv/deliciouscrepes

[honest kernel]

So

I do a 45 heat chiron for the hell of it

I get to Styx on TD3

I get a 4-sack