#h1-high-heat-strategies

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edgy arrow
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has anyone supersoaked 50 yet

daring hedge
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getting vermin'd on TD3 after timing out in elysium 😔

north dove
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I icebeamed 51, that close enough?

edgy arrow
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i certainly didn't notice if they did

misty hamlet
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@untold sigil maybe when they give me apollo

edgy arrow
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wow nice

sly hound
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Did anyone managed to get fist 50 ?

untold sigil
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imagine if you could turn lucifer into a flamethrower

daring hedge
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but chill actually has utility at high heat, we need the full meme of fishing for sea storm while rocking pitiful damage

edgy arrow
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ye demeter was one of the first weapons to break 50

north dove
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a few people got 50 heat with fists yeah

sly hound
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Oh, nice

edgy arrow
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gilg is also up there, thanks to retrash

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dunno about the others off the top of my head

untold sigil
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@north dove teach me thine ways with gilga

north dove
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I think only Demeter and Gilga have 50+

sly hound
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I need to try rama 50 one day

daring hedge
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i feel like crepes was considering a zag fists dodge build half-jokingly half-seriously for 50

north dove
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step 1: hold dodge step 2:hold attack

untold sigil
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that buffer tho qwq

edgy arrow
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he definitely got like 46 or something with dodge meme

untold sigil
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plume?

daring hedge
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i haven't done higher than 46 with talos but i'm sure it could get a 50 too

edgy arrow
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yeah i've been wondering that

sly hound
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Youd have to get ME tho, no?

edgy arrow
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if you go ME, surely talos and dem are pretty similar

daring hedge
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i don't think it's necessary

sly hound
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Hmmm

daring hedge
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would be nice though, yeah

edgy arrow
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i mean, for sure not required to go ME

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now that zag sword's broken 50, anything can happen as far as i'm concerned

untold sigil
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alrighty!

sly hound
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Thats... Damn impressive

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With what build ?

untold sigil
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Ill try doin 40 with gilga then!

sly hound
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Double edge ?

honest kernel
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Cursed Slash

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Literally a cursed build

daring hedge
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yeah pretty much anything can be pushed to 50

sly hound
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seriously ?

honest kernel
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Yes

sly hound
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Thats hilarious

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X)

untold sigil
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also that 60 heat hades run is still in the works folx

honest kernel
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what

daring hedge
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who, where

sly hound
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Waiting to see zeus aspect at 50,then

untold sigil
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me

honest kernel
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And here I am dying to Elysium in my 56+ attempts

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at 50 heat

edgy arrow
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i believe in you

sly hound
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Lel, Im not good enough

untold sigil
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why do it yerself when you can live thru others

sly hound
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My max is only 40

edgy arrow
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same

ripe crane
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I did 47 with dodge meme zag fists, ended up with like 89% dodge by the end

sly hound
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And my zeus aspect is level... 0

honest kernel
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Zeus aspect of shield ? T'was my 50 heat clear

edgy arrow
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47 mb

honest kernel
edgy arrow
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oh yeah because 46 was the previous record iirc

sly hound
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Oh nice Baj

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Ill check the vid

edgy arrow
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i must've missed that

honest kernel
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It's been up for like a day on there lmao

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Submitted it like a week ago

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So

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Zag Shield

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How high should I push it

edgy arrow
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clearly i have not been keeping up with the news

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65 heat

ripe crane
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Did retrash get 50 with it? If so, you gotta go 51

daring hedge
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hellest mode

edgy arrow
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nah jks; just do 50

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boonless ofc

honest kernel
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Already did 45 boonless

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Soooo

edgy arrow
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oh wow

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nice

honest kernel
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I'm basically a shield player at this point lol

edgy arrow
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welp, do it then

daring hedge
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all other shield players fled or passed away after the 1.0 chaos aspect changes

honest kernel
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^

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truth

edgy arrow
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hey

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it me

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i am a shield player

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(just a rubbish one)

daring hedge
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what's your favorite shield aspect 🎙️

edgy arrow
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beo

honest kernel
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that moment when I don't like beo at all lmao

edgy arrow
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wow

honest kernel
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Despite it being likely the best shield aspect right now

edgy arrow
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foremost among shield players dislikes beo lol

daring hedge
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hey i mean maybe zeus is the best shield aspect and you're in the process of proving it

edgy arrow
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maybe chaos is still the best

honest kernel
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Also did a 8:26 IGT run with non ME

edgy arrow
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we'll never know for sure

honest kernel
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Maybe that's the case lmao

edgy arrow
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you can't prove a negative

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that's science

daring hedge
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people didn't really pay attention to rama until ledger and i used it a lot after 1.0

honest kernel
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But, as I played around with Zeus aspect

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There's SO much you can do

edgy arrow
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zeus is a lot of fun for sure

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i like all the shields tbh

honest kernel
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One of the key factor of shield : Dash attack doesn't knockback, Attack does

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Been trying to optimize my room clears with those in mind

true fable
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can we do 5 fish pbs for 50 heat

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RTA category

edgy arrow
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i still lowkey wanna see a fully routed 100fish% run

true fable
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i imagine it's probably poseidon start -> roll, sunken treasure and hope for fish

edgy arrow
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exactly yeah

true fable
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50 heat kind of shakes up the meta though

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IMO

edgy arrow
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so unlikely it would need to be routed tho

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hmm

daring hedge
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minimum of three full runs too 😔

edgy arrow
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nah

true fable
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we have shackle but more meme categories is never bad

daring hedge
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surface fish

honest kernel
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Shackle might be legit

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For some setups

edgy arrow
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you can do it in one clear if you do it in a save file that hasn't beaten the game 10 times

honest kernel
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Got to styx in 56 heat with it

edgy arrow
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in theory, anyway

daring hedge
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i don't think you can get three whole seperate fishing spots in greece at once, though

edgy arrow
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you've gotta get huge catch ofc so that you can get fish in every greece area

true fable
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even with huge catch?

daring hedge
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don't think so

true fable
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i trust you

edgy arrow
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how would you possibly know that lol

true fable
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and it would be a lot of effort to test

daring hedge
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my fox senses are tingling that's how i know

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(i don't)

edgy arrow
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oh

daring hedge
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it's just a feeling

edgy arrow
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well, i can't argue with fox senses

true fable
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tailesque i asked this when you werent here

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but do you happen to know the exact rama dash strike charge time

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for power shots

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just wondering for rush delivery reasons

daring hedge
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not really, it's more of a muscle memory thing to me now instead of a timing i know specifically

true fable
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that's fair

daring hedge
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in terms of fractions of a second

edgy arrow
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i would honestly be so impressed if you just randomly knew that

true fable
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two types of gamers right

daring hedge
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lol

true fable
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you're telling me you just run off ultra instinct

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i respect it

daring hedge
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it's true that's the secret

edgy arrow
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the secret is be Tailesque

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then you will win

true fable
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what do you think about the massive spin builds some runners are using

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on hades separ

daring hedge
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oh huh, which runners?

true fable
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i know bablo really like it as first hammer

daring hedge
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i saw satan pick quick spin during the hermes cup races today, which bablo and i agreed was a mistake

true fable
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he didnt get a chance to play it

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but has been doing it a lot in practice streams

daring hedge
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that's interesting, but it is one of the better options if you don't get serrated or exploding launcher

true fable
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like massive spin to clear rooms in tart and then serrated point later to scale ideally

daring hedge
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yeah, spin spam works super well in tart

true fable
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exploding launcher is so gddang fast

daring hedge
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and EM2 lernie

true fable
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exploding launcher + epic special speed is good fun

daring hedge
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that was what saved my 50 zag spear run

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both of those

true fable
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lol god's pride gaming?

daring hedge
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RI2 so... only in spirit 😔

ripe crane
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My strat is just keep running until you get extra dashes and athena call and patty

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It has to happen eventually right? So just keep playing until you get lucky enough

true fable
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seems legit

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it's worked so far hasnt it

ripe crane
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Can't lose if you can't die

true fable
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do you know if blinding flash is fixed yet btw

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its been weeks lol

daring hedge
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i don't think so

true fable
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is it just gonna be broken forever

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time to get my parting shot hera runs in now

daring hedge
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it's just pommed flash that's mega bugged right

true fable
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yeah

daring hedge
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it was brought up in tech issues and i'm sure they saw it, wonder if they just haven't had time to address it or not

ripe crane
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Let's find out

misty hamlet
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DANG another dad death

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that was a juicy run too

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had a rush delivery, billowing strength, smoldering air dionysus call build with some jolted and weaken on the side

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the actual weapon stopped mattering for most of styx

daring hedge
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the main reason you lost was probably because you didn't go super soaker

misty hamlet
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😦 my shame is palpable

ripe crane
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Dio call is so much damage but you gotta be pretty close with your clunky ranged weapon to use it

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It is not fixed

true fable
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LOOOOL

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blursed image

unreal pasture
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how

true fable
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blinding flash nonsense probably

misty hamlet
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hmm

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that doesn't seem like a typical number of damages

loud coral
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Couldn't even break 20k damage smh

true fable
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a paltry 13.5K

honest kernel
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Almost made it to phase 3

tidal flame
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oof

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also skelly?

mossy zinc
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Is that seconds before disaster?

honest kernel
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Was afraid of sneaks

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Which was what he summoned

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Sort of

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More like a minute before disaster

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He was like 2 hits off his 3rd phase

tidal flame
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why skelly over acorn? i get the summonings can be tough but still?

mossy zinc
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Acorn doesn't seem as good as other options in EM4, yeah. I switched to Broken Spearpoint for it after the first one, I think.

honest kernel
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Sudden Rush was why

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My whole plan was based around kiting Hades

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The bigger threat were the adds

tidal flame
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makes sense

honest kernel
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Worked well for a while

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But the fight drags on for so long

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with CP2

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Have not gotten used to that yet

mossy zinc
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Which is why I think Spearpoint might be best. It can just proc a lot of times in the fight and in the tunnels, saving you HP for the fight.

honest kernel
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Yeah, not happening with LC4 lmao

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And me being prone to take chip damage

mossy zinc
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What does LC4 have to do with it?

honest kernel
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Without Patty, chances are I'm gonna be at the max health I could be with revives

mossy zinc
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Yeah, seeing Patroclus or not would change things.

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Spearpoint is better the more total HP you have.

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The right play, obviously, is Zag Fists + Lambent Plume. squirtnya

honest kernel
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So Artemis special isn't quite cutting it

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not with CP2

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Back to the drawing board again

edgy fog
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is there a specific channel for discussing speedruns?

true fable
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there's a discord

edgy fog
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like entirely separate from this one?

true fable
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yep, pmed you

mossy zinc
rain sedge
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You gonna say 40 Guan yu is free?

mossy zinc
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lol I had an awfully close EM3.

tidal flame
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So, free?

rain sedge
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You lost 13 hp and nothing else

ripe crane
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OR she lost thousands of HP and gained it all back with the power of the Frost Fair Blade

mossy zinc
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Or maybe both.

high kettle
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i was so close...

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hades was 2 volleys away...

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i am so... sad

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32 heat was almost done and now, back to the beginning again

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it is... infuriating aganst myself

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had the perfect run and still messed it up

tidal flame
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Don't worry, I used to lose on Ice Wine Scintillating Feast Cold Fusion Hera Bow.

high kettle
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i had demeter special, +4 volleys, buffed af weak aphrodite on attack with chiron

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290 hps + more life regained thanks to athena on stubborn

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and i failed

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had 2 health bars with stubborn and still lost

rain sedge
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It's fine, you'll get it next time

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You get better at every run

high kettle
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yeah, heat 32 makes me feel like im beginning the game again

rain sedge
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This might feel like your best opportunity, but soon you'll clear 32 with barely any good boons

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What's your heat setup? Maybe we can help

high kettle
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huh

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im gonna screen it

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and pm it

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youre gonna be pissed about one point though

rain sedge
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It's 32, most things work

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Yea that's a yikes

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I'll pm you the setup, you'll get it next try

high kettle
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i tried without heal

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but it... didnt go well

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i really like being able to heal

twilit orbit
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its a big learning process

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it took me hours of grinding to beat 32 heat for the first time

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now I can do 32 heat pretty consistently on the weapons that I am good at

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and have done it at least once with every weapon

untold sigil
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wooow

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yallre amazing

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while im over here struggling to beat 32 heat with a single weapon XD

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ill get there tho

undone shore
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I have a question and I think the people in this chat are the best to ask. I put the heat up to 16 for the skelly thing, got to hades and lost. I cant beat him so i went back down to the heat levels i am supposed to be at (like 6 or something) but I cant get the rewards anymore. When will i be able to get rewards from the first 3 floors again?

waxen relic
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Once you completely clear at the heat you're supposed to or higher.

undone shore
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so i hate using the spear and the max ive actually beat it at is 2 but i got to hades at 16. You are saying i just need to beat him at 2?

honest kernel
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yes

undone shore
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thank you guys so much

rain sedge
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Yo does lasting consequence go to the pool?

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Cus I know some boons can't be purgdd

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Like the Demeter one

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Ah I mean after party

waxen relic
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I think the only ones who don't are the ones that give one-time benefit.

high kettle
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hey here, guess who got the 32? thanks so much @rain sedge

jolly light
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Hi, I'm hoping to find a spreadsheet or similar that lays out what the spawn requirements are for the chamber structure of a run. Does anyone have that?

rain sedge
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Nice, grats

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I'm close to the well..
We'll find out

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It's purgable pog

waxen relic
jolly light
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@waxen relic For example, if a trial room can only spawn after the third chamber or later in a region, or if you skip a trial can it be offered again, that sort of thing. Like how if you skip a hammer it will be offered again.

waxen relic
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Mostly it's just percentages

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Hammers can be offered till you have 2

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Hermes too, except you can get 3rd in Styx

jolly light
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Hammers and Hermes I have a good idea of how they spawn from play, but I'm hoping someone has done more research than I have and is sharing that info about other events

hollow lynx
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this might be of help?

jolly light
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knowing how late patroclus can spawn would be useful

waxen relic
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Might find some stuff in the Speedrunning Discord

waxen relic
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maybe only after mid-shop, but thats only my experience so far

jolly light
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@hollow lynx theres some good stuff in here, thanks.

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@waxen relic thanks for the help as well

waxen relic
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actually didn't know the wiki had such a technical page, seems pretty cool

jolly light
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doesn't cover quite everything I've been wondering, but it fills in part of it for sure

rain sedge
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I just died to theseus on 40

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what the hell man

gaunt fiber
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nub

rain sedge
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how did this happen

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I know you're joking, but I definitely feel that way

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I had decent boons too

gaunt fiber
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it's ok

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could not go past tartarus today

rain sedge
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are you doing the GY 50

gaunt fiber
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yeha

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but

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idk

rain sedge
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tartarus is the hardest biome on 45+

gaunt fiber
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The other day

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I could go in Elysium multiple times

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But today I was so bad that TD3 ended on room 11

rain sedge
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on 50?

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damn

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you getting good

gaunt fiber
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yeah on 50

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But the thing is

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You can go to Elysium without charged skewer

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(with TD3 I mean)

rain sedge
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on GY?

gaunt fiber
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But god if you don't get it you're dead meat

rain sedge
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serrated edge maybe

gaunt fiber
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Idk if it's worth the risk

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Not good enough yet

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but serrated sure is amazing

waxen relic
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i've entered Elysium once without Hammer nor Attack running Zagshield at 50

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really couldn't progress further that run

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

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The problem is that I try to run RI 2

rain sedge
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I do like the backstab special hammer though

gaunt fiber
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serrated with 25 hp is hilarious

rain sedge
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with athena stuff it's good

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oh yeah... I forgot about that

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maybe not then

gaunt fiber
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it's suicide without divine strike

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Weakening enemies is not good enough lol

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Maybe I should go tartarus owl, divine strike, aim for serrated ? If I get charged skewer it's good too even without boon at first

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then athena is in my god pool

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But would I clear fast enough

waxen relic
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Only one way to truly find out right?

true fable
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you can get patty up to chamber 34

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
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at that point you're basically just rerolling until you get the hammers you want, for AP1

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basically seeding

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not worth I think

gaunt fiber
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I have two options actually

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I can train EM4 not to AP

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or living the EM3 dream

waxen relic
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seeded AP is still different from seeded without AP

rain sedge
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that EM4 is... really hard

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I got to it on my 50 eris, and uh, it's not even close

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I had pretty good boons too

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it's less of the EM4 itself... Some of his attacks arent dodgeable with FO2 I swear

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some of them necessitates + dashses from hermes IMO

gaunt fiber
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hmm

rain sedge
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and then sometimes laser came out from nowhere and you just died

gaunt fiber
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On my 40 heat run

rain sedge
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I mean I'm sure better players than me can talk about it, but IMO I'm not good enough for EM4

gaunt fiber
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Em3 then

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He only took off my acorn

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FO2 ofc

rain sedge
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don't forget that HS btw

gaunt fiber
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EM4 is one more phase ofc so I can't TD3 really

rain sedge
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it's a bit of a yikes

gaunt fiber
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yeah lol

rain sedge
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yeah that TD3.... kinda becomes hard with EM4

gaunt fiber
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I'm still dying to it don't worry

rain sedge
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because you can't play slow

gaunt fiber
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And you end up doing a lot of mistakes

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but it means AP/RI is inevitable lol

true fable
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anyone in this channel have any experience running first run

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i asked in speed but it seems like it's just vorime and wriste

gaunt fiber
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I did a solid 3 tries

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ask me anything

waxen relic
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think i died to lernie sometime

rain sedge
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first run speedrun?

true fable
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i made it to dad but one dash vs dad is hard

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yeah

rain sedge
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isn't that a category in speed

gaunt fiber
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It's strange, I did not feel like one dash only was a problem

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for the most part, I did not encounter dad yet

true fable
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it is a category

waxen relic
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i mostly tried to get Athena Legendary, but it's a long time ago

true fable
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its jsut tough having one dash becaues dash attacking gets you punished but dash attacking also get s you damage

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idk

waxen relic
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one time i watched vorime he did normal attacks and dashes against lernie i think

rain sedge
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you also you know, do it with a sword

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so

waxen relic
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for i-frames

rain sedge
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that sounds miserable, but expected from a beo main :3

true fable
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lol

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it is quite fun though

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i think i will keep trying

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is first run hell mode a thing

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aside from that one guy who wanted to do a 46 heat first run try

waxen relic
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i've heard very bad experiences about it from time to time

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but i'm not sure they're real

rain sedge
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46 heat first run pepelaugh

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I'd eat a hat if someone do it

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the TD3 itself will ruin you

true fable
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yeah that sounds miserable

rain sedge
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although I suppose, first run hell mode is automatically RI4

waxen relic
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can't select EM

rain sedge
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lol what

waxen relic
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just rechecked, No Extreme Measures, no Routine Inspection

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and you have to die to access the pact zaglol

high kettle
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btw what does personal liability do? never saw it as im not in hell mode

gaunt fiber
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When you get it a substancial amount of times within seconds, you have a shield that provides impervious state

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PL disables it

true fable
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i believe it's if you get hit for more than 1/4 HP but not sure

high kettle
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really? i never noticed

gaunt fiber
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I'm not sure either

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Well

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Go on hell mode

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Face a witch

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I got hit for a solid 45 once

high kettle
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oh

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ok

gaunt fiber
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also you can stay in dad's laser

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you'll see the shield

high kettle
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ill try someday

waxen relic
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just walk into a trap with HS on actually

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which means 1/4 makes sense

gaunt fiber
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Yeah should be a damage threshold

true fable
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i just dont see how you dodge BP2 homing witches with 1 dash even if it's divine dash

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seems tough

gaunt fiber
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you focus to make the time stop

rain sedge
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those shield might seem useless, but when you "accidentally" step on a trap with HS, in a witch room in tartarus, it's a heavensent

gaunt fiber
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Oh

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A heat option enabling this shield for enemies would be fun

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maybe it would redundant with armor tho

rain sedge
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saviour skulls.jpg

gaunt fiber
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Might be too much indeed

honest kernel
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I have one thing to say

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HOW AM I ALIVE STILL

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Kinda goofed against phase 1 tho

rain sedge
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hang on what

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what happened...

honest kernel
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Messed around with Athena start

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Ended up getting Dash into Demeter Call

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And got the duo

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I was like : Sure why not try

rain sedge
true fable
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...

ripe crane
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Where's ur boons bruh

true fable
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LOL

honest kernel
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I WISH I KNEW

rain sedge
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it's fifty five heats btw

true fable
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the only boon left is the dash and roots i'm dead

rain sedge
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tailesque is up there wiping his sweat

true fable
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how do you have only extra divine dashes, stubborn roots and two useless boons

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this is quite something

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wait only one useless boon jk

ripe crane
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You don't need anything more than extra dashes to survive

true fable
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playing first run intensifies

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god not having hermes or dark foresight really sucks

rain sedge
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baj I swear to the lord

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if you got 55 on zeus

honest kernel
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Hey the only obstacle is EM4 dad

rain sedge
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I dont even know what I'm gonna do

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oh yeah, I forgot about that bit

true fable
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i think we have to ban him from the discord

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only solution

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not allowed

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please highlight only the after party on the victory screen if/when you win

honest kernel
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Oh yeah I died already lol

ripe crane
#

O

honest kernel
#

Took chunks on chunks of spears

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Turns out, when you have to deal with phase 1 for 2+ minutes, it gets stressing

ripe crane
#

Yes

mossy zinc
#

You had three S-tier boons. How did you lose?

rain sedge
#

nya you gotta show us 55 if you wanna keep the crown as queen

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baj is getting scaaary

mossy zinc
#

m still the #1 female Hades player last I checked.

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Since there's not really anyone else doing high heat lol. Only Toffel and she's not around much.

true fable
#

nyaanyaa have you ever done fresh file

mossy zinc
#

I wonder if I streamed with mic and cam if it would inspire more girls to do high heat. But I don't really wanna do that. I wish there were more girls going for it, though.

true fable
#

it seems up your alley

mossy zinc
#

I don't really care for speedrun categories tbh.

rain sedge
#

nya, why didn't you go to the GDQ all women event?

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I think it's this week?

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nvm that's the answer

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well if you wanted to inspire more people to play I thought that's a good idea

mossy zinc
#

I would probably do it in Hell mode if I did first run.

true fable
#

i was thinking about doing it hell mode

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but doing regular is enough challenge for me thanks

mossy zinc
#

I just don't really like playing Stygius tbh lol. I like Excalibur, though.

#

It's okay for casual runs, but I don't like it for challenge runs.

true fable
#

true

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especially base stygius haha

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i know the strat used to be get 1 key and reset for bow

jolly light
#

anyone else feel like Excalibur might be the best cast weapon despite not saying cast on it anywherE?

hollow lynx
#

nope!

mossy zinc
#

I've actually always been of the opinion that it's a good cast aspect.

#

You don't get cast damage bonus, but you get +50 HP and Holy Aura.

#

But it's definitely not the best.

true fable
#

i'm not sold

jolly light
#

mmhm 😄 and the "downside" of slow attacks doesn't matter, personal preference if the attack change is an upgrade or downgrade

true fable
#

it doens't really have any innate interactions with cast at all

#

we've also been over this eris is the best cast weapon dusa

mossy zinc
#

It doesn't. But you just don't die lol.

#

Eris's only problem as a cast aspect is that you do even more damage by just holding down Attack lol.

jolly light
#

I can see achilles being better than Arthur as a cast weapon

rain sedge
#

picking excalibur while poseidon is one aspect up thanthink

jolly light
#

Can't stand Poseidon

rain sedge
#

I've had some quick reload + greater recall + exit wound poseidon run, thing is trully broken

jolly light
#

biggest problem with Poseidon is it doesn't do anything if you don't get a cast build

true fable
#

it's still stygius

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which isnt good

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but it's still a weapon

#

ideally you get dedge and play scuffed nemesis until casts are online

mossy zinc
#

Just get Blade Dash lol.

jolly light
#

I just don't like having a weapon that forces me to force a particular build you give up so much power by not being able to play what the game gives you

true fable
#

the thing is, imo cast builds are very flexible

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like you usually want one duo but can always pivot depending on what gods you see

jolly light
#

I guess it depends how you like to play, if I'm offered a good high rarity attack before a good high rarity special, then I'd like to be able to play attack instead. And I you need cast stones from Chaos (IMO) to really do a cast build, so that's not always going to play out either

wise cave
#

WAT, you guys dont like excalibur?

#

it's so fun though

true fable
#

you really dont

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cast stones are obviously amazing to have

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but any build that relies on them to make it across the finish is doomed from the beginning

#

usually you'll have enough juice if you have like 2-3 builds in your head you aim for

wise cave
#

i abuse the give up some times if i get a bad lot

true fable
#

give up keeps the seed, so if you make the same choices you could still end up with a very similar run

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it's also not common practice if you want to submit runs since you have to prove theyre unseeded

wise cave
#

yup, when i do give up i try somethign ewlse

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else*

jolly light
#

If you are using infernal soul you probably don't need cast stones, but I'm done messing with that

true fable
#

fair enough

wise cave
#

oh really? what's the submit run for?

true fable
#

cast builds arent for everyone

wise cave
#

sorry i am new

true fable
#

leaderboard and spreadsheet mostly

wise cave
#

I see, so the community here maintains their own leaderboard?

#

nice

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in that case you def want to plan for flexibility then

true fable
#

there's a speedrun.com leaderboard with categories and a pinned spreadsheet in this channel that ostensibly keeps track of high heat runs

rain sedge
#

@true fable what's your speedrun best time? I'm considering grinding for 10 mins

true fable
#

8:10 with beowulf lmao

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8:18 sorry

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my eris is only a paltry 8:47 so youd have better luck asking speed people

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dont want to drag this too off topic

jolly light
#

is there a hell mode leaderboard somewhere?

rain sedge
#

aite I'll DM you, my goal is simply under 10 mins

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maybe when I got 50 I'll speedrun

true fable
#

for sure

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@jolly light no hell mode is currently banned for speedrun.com

jolly light
#

yeah I noticed that, that

edgy arrow
#

wait why is it banned lol

jolly light
#

That

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That's why I was wondering it it has a separate leaderboard somewhere

edgy arrow
#

oh wait i get it

true fable
honest kernel
#

Again LOL

edgy arrow
#

PL would be really good for high heat categories, so it’s a more even playing field if no one gets to use it ig?

#

yeah makes sense

true fable
#

are you allergic to boons

edgy arrow
#

wtf why do you have no special

#

that can’t be boonless with divine dash

honest kernel
#

Died to sneaks into get spin'ed

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dammit

#

But this setup has potential

#

The damage was actually pretty decent

true fable
#

the same thing happened to me on 45 and i decided to do fresh file instead

honest kernel
#

Call abuse

true fable
#

i hate sneaks with shield

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i think i maybe just hate sneaks

edgy arrow
#

you have like, zero boons

#

i don’t understand what’s happening lmao

honest kernel
#

Divine dash So that you open up the death defiances -> Get powerful call

#

Starting in Asphodel, either equip the shackles or work towards the duo

#

Also look out for Proud Bearing

edgy arrow
#

huh

honest kernel
#

One of the few things about shield

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Zeus aspect, in peculiar

#

Builds up the call kinda fast

edgy arrow
#

true

#

that’s interesting

#

kinda surprising you didn’t go AP2 on such a non boon reliant build

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guess you need that call too badly

honest kernel
#

Uhm AP2 would ruin it fast lol

#

And yeah, getting the call would be hard AF

edgy arrow
#

makes sense

#

forces you into RI3 tho, which seems like a yike

honest kernel
#

Didn't find it that bad on shield TBH

#

You mostly lose the dash, which shield has Bull Rush for

edgy arrow
#

yeah i’ve actually been wondering about whether shields could take it more easily

honest kernel
#

Kinda did 45 heat boonless with Zag Shield and RI3 soooo

edgy arrow
#

i did some random runs with chaos a while back without dashes at all, and it didn’t seem too bad?

#

all things considered

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oh wow didn’t realise that was RI3

#

nice

honest kernel
#

But legit, with this setup, I was able to reach Styx with pretty meh rolls

#

Assuming you don't get the dash or say Phalanx Shot, you'd start with Athena attack or special, which isn't a bad start

#

That means more chances at seeing Athena at all

#

And nothing prevents you from say transitioning into a real build if it happens

true fable
#

except your pitiful number of boons?

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i swear ive never seen so few boons on a build that is actively trying to get boons baj you're nuts

edgy arrow
#

^

honest kernel
#

By that I mean if you happen to get a Zeus special or something in Tartarus

#

The Athena starter is just a bit more flexible from what I found

#

Gonna mess around with that

#

But I mean, I had enough damage with the timer

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With that kinda of setup

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Twice

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All that needed to be done was kill EM4 CP2 FO2 dad

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which, uh, I'm going to need to practise LOL

edgy arrow
#

how long does that actually take

honest kernel
#

Well I'd get around say 8-10 minutes leftover

#

Give it 2 or 3 for the first phase, and that's possible

edgy arrow
#

imma gonna bite the bullet and actually start learning EM4 properly soon

#

not sure whether TD3 will become impractical

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since i am relatively slow

honest kernel
#

Depending on the rest of your setup, it might

#

Styx gonna eat you alive if you don't get 3 sacks

edgy arrow
#

yeah...

honest kernel
#

or maybe even 2 sacks depending on what you go for

edgy arrow
#

ah well, EM4 is worth more heat than TD3 at least

honest kernel
#

Anyways, gonna eat, then look into the possibly jankiest setup ever lmao

edgy arrow
#

do it lol

honest kernel
#

@true fable I know your comment's half a meme, but Athena Call might be legit one of the better ones for Zeus shield

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Let's you just unga-bunga to the max, and Zeus aspect does that marvellously

true fable
#

yeah athena call might be one of the better ones period

rain sedge
#

athena call = best call in game

ripe crane
#

uh excuse me, but does Athena call have a 35% crit chance?

fading torrent
#

hey, tried this question in "new-players" chan and was recommanded to ask here :

#

can anyone clarify for me how roiling defiance (boon) interact with stubborn defiance (mirror trait) ?
do you have 1 and only 1 more life for your run in top of all your room lifes ?

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and in case you die which life goes out first, the roiling one or stubborn

edgy arrow
#

yeah exactly you just get the chaos life once, it doesn't become infinite as well

fading torrent
#

and chaos one goes out first in case you die?

#

or stubborn?

edgy arrow
#

the SD is always lost first

fading torrent
#

ohh that's nice then

edgy arrow
#

yeah its pretty good

fading torrent
#

cool thx for the info!

edgy arrow
#

np

true fable
#

can you refill the slot with well items?

#

i never got chaos defiance with sd so i have no clue

edgy arrow
#

i mean, kiss of styx doesn't appear with SD, right?

#

unless you're suggesting it would with an empty chaos slot

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guess i don't know for sure; i've only had a chaos defiance twice with SD, once i never lost it and the other time i lost it to dad

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but i doubt you can buy them back

mossy zinc
#

It doesn't appear if you have SD, no.

ripe crane
#

Losing a pretty clutch run because you forgot to summon is a jumbo sad

rain sedge
#

Oh yeah, I've been there too

#

Getting 3/4/5 sacced then losing because of it still the worst feeling in the game though

true fable
#

what about losing a run because your summon does a fat amount of damage to dc hearts

rain sedge
#

I tidal dashed enemy out of meg today lol

#

That's pretty painful

dire steppe
ripe crane
#

That's what rerolls are for :p

dire steppe
#

i know i can reroll it but just lol

true fable
#

yep thats what your rerolls are for

#

UC insurance

ripe crane
#

Definitely not Hades vibe tho

dire steppe
#

td2 is bad :(

ripe crane
#

Turn on TD3 for a while and TD2 will feel better

dire steppe
#

(hl3 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc dc2 ap1 td2)

ripe crane
#

Speaking of selling greatest reflex....

#

I can't believe I'm about to do this, but I need second wind

tidal flame
#

sell snow burst?

loud coral
#

Hurts just looking at it

loud coral
#

So they need to sell Reflex since I'm guessing this is a dodge chance run

unreal pasture
#

He wants another chance at Hermes boons...

#

So you have to sell a Hermes boon to see Second Wind

tidal flame
#

i see

misty hamlet
#

huh I didn't even know that about hermes boons

#

can you roll into a third one with fated authority if you were using it?

true fable
#

i think the game hard limits you to 3

#

but a lot of this is speculative

ripe crane
#

He never showed back up :(

misty hamlet
#

feels bad 😦

#

he was too fast

#

and left you behind

ripe crane
#

All of existence feels bad

true fable
#

why are we here

#

just to suffer

misty hamlet
ripe crane
#

There are stronger words than bad for how it feels to sell epic greatest reflex

misty hamlet
#

HECKIN bad

#

i think... I might stream 50 heat lucifer attempts

#

you guys can come laugh at me if you want

ripe crane
#

Can't we just do that in here?

misty hamlet
#

yeah but

#

IN REAL TIME

#

here you can only laugh at what I actually tell you

ripe crane
#

You right

misty hamlet
#

...or just by default, I guesssquirtmeh

#

anyhow yeah I think I'll do that for a bit

twilit orbit
#

wait can you sell a hermes boon to see a third?

#

I dont think I've actually had that happen on any of my runs, that I can remember

ripe crane
#

I was under the impression that you could because Nyaa said so a while ago

#

But I don't know if you actually can tbh

unreal pasture
#

You can sell your second to increase the odds of seeing Hermes again...
Seeing the third is pretty heavy RNG... depends on Styx shop, I think

ripe crane
#

Second Wind would have been the last thing I needed to make a literally perfect dodge run

#

So I had to go for it even if chances were slim

#

Running plume means no picking gods, but I had zeus attack/athena dash/a call for second wind/epic dodge all in Tartarus. I don't think you can get a better start

bright crescent
#

the only problem with being faster than light is that you cant outrun the darkness

#

or whatever that one meme pic says

#

hilariously, i tried to run zag fists instead of dem fists recently and i dodged four times in a row when trying to die to change seeds

edgy arrow
#

if you sell one of your two hermes boons you might get another one yeah

#

i’ve done it before

mossy zinc
#

That's Zag Fists telling you you could have won that run if you'd just believed.

bright crescent
#

well maybe zag fists can persuade the pact to stop striking out purple lightning strikes

#

and giving me dash and special

edgy arrow
#

real gamers can dodge 100% of the time with only 15% dodge

bright crescent
#

why does zagreus not simply dodge the laser

mossy zinc
#

That's your fault for taking Thunder Signet with AP2. Just take the Owl Pendant.

bright crescent
#

the worst part is im on ap1

mossy zinc
#

Same thing, though.

bright crescent
#

and its consistently crossing out strike

twilit orbit
#

do a meme run with AP2 and pom blossom
you dont know what boon you're going to get, but its going to have SO many levels!

bright crescent
#

ap is genuinely the most disrespectful pact

#

i had it cross out merciful end three times in a row

mossy zinc
#

You gotta adjust your expectations when you play with AP.

bright crescent
#

very true

mossy zinc
#

Owl Pendant will always give you a good start with AP1.

#

Whether you get Attack or Dash.

#

Even Phalanx Shot is still the best cast you could have got on Malphon.

bright crescent
#

still, i wish it just gave you one or two choices instead of crossing out choices

mossy zinc
#

I think it's funny that it does that.

bright crescent
#

very funny when it happens to someone else

mossy zinc
#

I think it's funny when it happens to me, too.

edgy arrow
#

it’s funny in the same way speeder chariots are funny

#

just look at the little guys, zoomin’ around

#

hilarious

bright crescent
#

me dashing into the shifter chariot

#

do all of yall use controller?

mossy zinc
#

Chariots are not the little guys lol.

edgy arrow
#

i use KBM

mossy zinc
#

I use an Xbox One pad.

bright crescent
#

whenever i hear pad all i can think of is like

#

a ddr dancepad

edgy arrow
#

pretty sure all the pros use dancepad only

mossy zinc
#

People get paid to play this? I wanna get paid, too. squirtooh

edgy arrow
#

you gotta use dancepad

mossy zinc
#

32 mirrorless dancepad all weapons?

bright crescent
#

doesnt really help that im visualising aerith on one

#

thanks to ur pfp

mossy zinc
#

I have her hair color, but it's a little bit shorter than hers still.

bright crescent
#

how would you build athena attack on malphon?

ember cobalt
#

Blinding Flash and lots of backstab bonuses

edgy arrow
#

deadly reversal iirc

mossy zinc
#

You don't need to build, Divine Strike is the build lol.

ember cobalt
#

Maybe also Long Knuckle to help with delfection

edgy arrow
#

fair lol

mossy zinc
#

Ideally Deadly Reversal, yeah.

bright crescent
#

yeah ok that sounds about right

mossy zinc
#

Long Knuckle is okay. Breaching Cross is what you really want.

bright crescent
#

oh baby breaching cross

edgy arrow
#

breaching cross is a silly hammer

bright crescent
#

now theres a hammer

edgy arrow
#

i hope they never change it

bright crescent
#

im still not entirely sure what dash attack being able to pierce enemies means but

mossy zinc
#

Divine Dash or Hunter Dash. Though nowadays I only take Divine Dash because Hunter was nerfed too much, it's not really worth it on Zag Fists.

bright crescent
#

alright

#

seemsgood

mossy zinc
#

I just know Greatshields and Theseus can't block your Dash-Strikes with Breaching Cross.

ember cobalt
#

What does Breaching do again?

bright crescent
#

oh

#

+900% vs armor

mossy zinc
#

+900% armor damage and piercing.

bright crescent
#

and apprently dash strikes are unblockable

ember cobalt
#

Hm

edgy arrow
#

oh dash strikes only yeah

bright crescent
#

because i figured dash attack already could hit muliple enemies

#

unless my eyes are bad

ember cobalt
#

Maybe also throw in that hammer that adds dash strikes to your attack sequence too

bright crescent
#

not a huge fan of the special changing hammers

#

honestly

mossy zinc
#

Rolling Knuckle is eh.

edgy arrow
#

it doesn’t really do anything imo

bright crescent
#

as long as its not heavy knuckle ill take it

ember cobalt
#

I've used that a couple times in conjunction with Hunter Dash and I had a lot of fun with it

#

The dash strike hammer I mean

edgy arrow
#

i’m already dashing constantly to end my sequence early and move out of danger

mossy zinc
#

It's better than Special hammers on Zag Fists, but it doesn't really do much anymore. It's kind of irrelevant tbh.

edgy arrow
#

^

mossy zinc
#

It still adds +60% to all your Dash-Strikes, pretty sure.

bright crescent
#

yeah

mossy zinc
#

Used to be my #1 or 2 pick until they nerfed the hell out of it.

bright crescent
#

so whatre your fist hammer rankings

mossy zinc
#

It used to not have that long recovery after the Dash-Strike that's added to the combo.

edgy arrow
#

even the +60% is eh on ME or zeus builds

#

but ye it exists

mossy zinc
#

So you could just hold down Attack to perma-stunlock enemies.

#

Breaching Cross > probably Concentrated Knuckle or Long Knuckle > Rolling Knuckle for Zag Fists, I guess.

#

Special don't really matter.

#

I guess Explosive Upper is kind of okay if you don't see an Attack hammer.

#

Breaching Cross is #1 on all aspects.

bright crescent
#

concentrated huh

mossy zinc
#

Oh yeah I forgot about Colossus Knuckle. I guess it's around Heavy Knuckle tier for Zag Fists?

bright crescent
#

feel like i dont respect it lol

edgy arrow
#

i often settle for colossus if there’s only specials or whatever

mossy zinc
#

It doesn't really do much if you use Lightning Strike or Curse of Agony.

#

But Concentrated is great with Divine Strike.

bright crescent
#

oh but its 5 base isnt it

#

do dash attacks and combo end interrupt it?

cedar thistle
#

yes

bright crescent
#

hm

mossy zinc
#

Heavy Knuckle is probably my #2 for Talos right now.

cedar thistle
#

it's alot tho. even if just 5.

#

two punch goes from 30 base. to 45 base

edgy arrow
#

you gotta think about concentrated knuckle like concentrated volley

cedar thistle
#

that's a 50% increase

edgy arrow
#

builds up to be a lot

mossy zinc
#

Explosive Upper #2 on Demeter, and probably Flying Cutter is #3?

#

Flying Cutter is actually really nice because it's base damage.

cedar thistle
#

i love flying cutter on demeter

mossy zinc
#

I kinda wish they hadn't nerfed the damage on it when they buffed the charge speed to make it actually usable.

loud coral
#

Lemme guess, Breaching Cross is #1?

mossy zinc
#

But I guess it's a lot better now than it used to be at least.

#

Yeah, I just said it's #1 on all aspects lol.

loud coral
#

Figured, I'd still take Explosive Upper over it for Demeter tbh

#

Also is CP bad on Hestia? It doesn't feel like it but I just wanna make sure

mossy zinc
#

Not really.

#

CP1 with Shackle lets you kill a lot of enemies in the same number of hits.

#

So CP2 with +100% or whatever on an Attack boon should be no problem.

loud coral
#

Might actually try boonless Hestia soon, seems fun

dire steppe
#

should i just try 40 heat to git gud at 32

cedar thistle
#

o.o take it step by step?

#

idk

dire steppe
#

I can do 27 pretty consistently (HL0 LC4 CF2 JS1 BP2 MM UC DC2 EM3 TD2), been trying adding HL5 or HL3AP1 but both make it a lot harder

#

maybe i have to turn on FO2 instead

#

mainly been trying with rama because everyone does eris or chiron

cedar thistle
#

what are you using? DC is free on some weapons

#

o rama. DC should be fine

dire steppe
#

DC is free on rama that’s why i have it on

cedar thistle
#

oh wait you're already taking it. sorry

dire steppe
#

going usually for artemis -> demeter -> hourglass -> acorn on keepsakes

daring hedge
#

demeter is an odd keepsake choice for rama

dire steppe
#

do you usually use dio instead

#

idk i thought demeter special was good cause it makes bosses slow

daring hedge
#

athena for high heat, aphrodite sometimes otherwise for potential heart rend

#

demeter special can be nice, but in the end you want to get used to full speed enemies and bosses, eventually moving up to FO2

dire steppe
#

evidently i’m bad so i have to play on FO-2

#

the math checks out

true fable
#

demeter is a resource

daring hedge
#

nah you're not bad, i just mean it in the sense of long term usefulness for yourself

#

relying on demeter at FO0 can potentially make bad habits form

edgy arrow
#

you're not bad, Tail is just a wizard

dire steppe
#

i honestly have trouble even with dc2 numbskulls in tartarus

#

theyre so tiny

cedar thistle
#

stuggles of keyboard mouse

unreal pasture
#

Does anyone know if FO2 speeds up the rate Hades heals?

dire steppe
#

he had like 5 hp left and i died... rip

#

thats what i get for accidentally forgetting to swtich to acorn

rain sedge
#

if I reject a hammer upgrade, is there a chance it shows up on the next hammer ?

crystal iron
#

yes

mossy zinc
#

👸🏽

#

Hadn't actually done 40+ with Demeter Aspect yet.

rain sedge
#

if you flex harder than that you'll rip off your shirt nya

#

grats tho, that's scary

mossy zinc
#

What shirt? squirtnya

gaunt fiber
#

You just signed your own death warrant.

mossy zinc
#

Nani?

rain sedge
#

astaos weirdchamp

#

I have never been 5 sacced so much in my life since I started speedrunning this game

#

my previous 200 or so runs had like, 1 5 sac

#

I had 3 in the past 8 or so speedrun attempts

misty hamlet
#

So many 50 luci attempts on stream 😦

#

Thanks to the people who showed up last night/this morning though

gaunt fiber
misty hamlet
#

I had some pretty funny AP luck

gaunt fiber
#

My game is bugged with AP

#

"Deadly flourish" is never available

#

strange

misty hamlet
#

! Mine is similar

#

Heartbreak Flourish for me

#

We got a run to about 50% health on dads third phase but the timer got us

#

Wouldn’t have been an issue if I’d had double the damage on my special squirtmeh

gaunt fiber
#

that's strange

ripe crane
#

Should really stream anything you do tbh, unless you record locally.

gaunt fiber
#

Imagine a tartarus only stream

#

chamber 4%

ripe crane
#

Most of my stream is already Tartarus only

rain sedge
#

Imagine streaming on switch

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I would love to record my runs so I can get to the spread sheet tb

gaunt fiber
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glad you did not give up on the game anyway

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you just have to discover the true way

rain sedge
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yeah I really thought I will

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I had a 9 min PB today, was fun

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all credits to bright

gaunt fiber
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Wow nice

rain sedge
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I would've gotten a 8 min something PB, I got 3 sacced

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I just want to get 8:XX then I'm back to high heats

true fable
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noice

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speedrunning has corroded my brain cells

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i think i will speed 32 heat now

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just to make sure my brain is still working

rain sedge
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I think luck plays such a huge factor , it's way less fun

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I just wanted to do 8:xx because I know I can do it, I had a 7:10 elysium split that got 3 sacced

mossy zinc
dusty flint
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personally i run misfortune, longing and pp

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if possible

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not so sure about longing

mossy zinc
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Pressure Points is only like +6% more DPS. That wouldn't have done much.

dusty flint
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in the end my idea was big doom numbers xD

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obvs not center but planned it more for burst than longing

dire steppe
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btw nya why did you cf0 at heat 40

mossy zinc
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Hm? That's CF2.

dire steppe
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or is the bounty just always 1000

mossy zinc
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Yeah, bounties are unaffected.

dire steppe
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i never noticed

true fable
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the bounties in styx shop are only there so tailesque can flex in his boonless runs

rugged barn
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Just now, when I picked up Spread fire on an Extreme Measures 4 Rail run:
[TF2 scout voice] "Kay this does not look good here, um"

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I'm at least running the Zag aspect so the -6 ammo isn't too much of a problem, but the range is so small that, uh, it might be a major problem late into the run

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I had guaranteed Demeter in Tartarus for her Attack, and now am immediately trying to flex into a Blizzard Shot build to try to save the run

mossy zinc
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Who needs Divine Dash, m i right?

dire steppe
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i think I’ve finally gotten used to HL5... now time to get used to FO2

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TD3 never happening though

north dove
mossy zinc
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Nice! Congratulations!

north dove
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am I the first person to get 50+ heat on all weapons?

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also thanks!

mossy zinc
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Yes, you are. dusa

rain sedge
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Goddamn retrash

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Huh, pomless run?

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Also that ap2....

true fable
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i spot 1 pom

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it may not have been the most useful pom

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but it is a pom nonetheless

north dove
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yeah damage was not great but the hammer luck was unreal

true fable
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yeah how much did that special hit for LOL

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looks quite beefy

north dove
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300 charged 160 ish uncharged

true fable
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eurydice gambol?

north dove
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nah it was a trade

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didn't see eurydice

tidal flame
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that's... a lot of boons for a 51 heat run

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dang

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but ig AP2 makes up for the RI0

mossy zinc
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@gaunt fiber I guess all that boonless mirrorless practice is paying off, but I still can't play Stygius. dusa

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10 aspects 40+ now.

rain sedge
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I should do 40 heat all weapons

mossy zinc
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Eh, I still haven't done Sword at 40 lol.

rain sedge
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poseidon seems to be the third easiest to do for me

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because spear and shield will be misearble for me, and fist will take some work

mossy zinc
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I'll probably just record 45+ and stuff like mirrorless or whatever now. Not bothering recording or streaming any of those 40 Heat runs lol.

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I feel very comfortable with Malphon at 40.

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But I have 237 runs with Malphon lol.

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Just go Owl Pendant in Tartarus.

rain sedge
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yeah but I hate ME as a concept

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I'll prob do it with zeus

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I'll ask you if I get hard stuck ❤️

mossy zinc
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No, I don't play ME lol.

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Well, if I happen to RNG into it. But I don't look for that.

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Owl Pendant lets you start with Divine Strike or Divine Dash, then you can take things from there.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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Thank you. Praise me more. dusa

gaunt fiber
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that will do it for today

mossy zinc
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If I see both and the Attack is common, I'll take the Dash. But otherwise, I just take whichever shows up.

gaunt fiber
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our tomorrow is not far away

visual skiff
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How do you build chaos shield to burn bosses? I know that the standard is to start with zeus special .. what do you after

tidal flame
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Jolted, mostly

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Though chaos aren't exactly known for melting bosses or speed in general

dire steppe
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anymore :(

mossy zinc
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Never was.

tidal flame
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Case in point: Haelian's old 53 run literally took 5 mins at Hades fight

neat furnace
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I'm assuming that timer wasn't on then lmao

unreal pasture
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In non EM4?

mossy zinc
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Yeah, EM4 didn't exist yet.

unreal pasture
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I see

mossy zinc
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40+ bows all done.

north dove
mossy zinc
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Is it Charged Flight spam?

north dove
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yup

unreal pasture
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Does Dashing / Charged Flight work in tandem?