h1-high-heat-strategies

[tidal flame]

then try your hand at 40+

[mossy zinc]

The pinned spreadsheet starts at 40.

[prisma pebble]

ah ok

[true fable]

its in the rules

[mossy zinc]

I'd do 40+ before 6x32.

[true fable]

you have to do 6x32 before you can add any other heat actually

[tidal flame]

lmao

[true fable]

didn't you read the pact of punishment carefully

it's in the ToS

[rain sedge]

I think I did 6x32 before going up, yeah

[mossy zinc]

I killed Hades at 52. Screw his ToS.

[true fable]

i dont like most of the cutoffs for high heat tbh

its all pact dependent

[prisma pebble]

honestly i think i could probably snag a 32 heat win with eris rail

not sure about the other aspects/weapons

[rain sedge]

eris is F R E E

[prisma pebble]

yep

tried it once on 20 heat for no reason and obliterated

[tidal flame]

Eris is boring

[true fable]

go nuts dude eris is braindead

[mossy zinc]

It costs Titan Blood to unlock Eris, actually.

Ain't free.

[loud coral]

Personally I did 32 with all the other weapons before going to 40 but you can climb up right now if you want

[true fable]

i love that all these other weapons have like nuanced attack patterns and sequences

and eris is just

shoot them until theyre dead

and dash into them

[mossy zinc]

lol

[rain sedge]

stop bullying the eris main thanks

[tidal flame]

Eris mains, disgusting

[true fable]

its okay my fastest time is now on eris 😦

i should have never touched that weapon

[tidal flame]

like i said, disgusting

[true fable]

it was nice having a faster beo time than eris time

[rain sedge]

moooods

[mossy zinc]

The best way to highlight how off-balance it is imo is:

Gilgamesh: +25% damage, but you take +50% damage.
Eris: +75% damage.

[true fable]

dont even get me started on talos

[tough elk]

gilga's multiplicative right? maybe that's what the balancing decision was? lol

[tidal flame]

But taking Eris means Hazard Bomb is bad

[rain sedge]

idk, I like talos

[tidal flame]

So it balances out, obvs

[rain sedge]

like, not a whole lot, but I like it

[true fable]

gilga's is multiplicative because it affects damage taken

[rain sedge]

alright I got fully loaded and mirage shot. I should be good now right

[true fable]

how tf

[rain sedge]

let's see if beo is as good as people here say

[true fable]

im upset

dont blow it

[rain sedge]

I mean my cast is lv2 though

poms not cooperating

[true fable]

first pom is the most important pom

[gaunt fiber]

I did not read "pom"

that was strange

[rain sedge]

did you do GY 45 yet

[true fable]

stop astaos LOL

[gaunt fiber]

Sorry

[true fable]

LOL

[mossy zinc]

You're not sorry.

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/779090135731273768/unknown.png 51 Guan Yu

[gaunt fiber]

I am not indeed

[north dove]

Might as well not be a weapon without charged skewer

[rain sedge]

woof

shield 50 next?

[north dove]

ehhh

maybe

[true fable]

astaos looks like the gauntlet has been thrown

looks like you need to do GY 52 now

[gaunt fiber]

I am not good enough anyway

[prisma pebble]

51 guan yu

jesus

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, he's not good enough anyway.

[gaunt fiber]

I won't try higher heats just to beat seomone lol

[rain sedge]

yea funnily enough this is not even his most impressive achievement this week

[true fable]

yeah tbh zag spear 50 still blowing my mind

[ripe crane]

Retrash please you have to stop

[rain sedge]

you stop crepes

I am still not over that 45 boonless

[mossy zinc]

You are indeed not.

[ripe crane]

There are two other 45 boonlesses! With melee weapons!

[mossy zinc]

m not seeing no 46 boonless from you.

[rain sedge]

wooooo one shot phase hades

that was wild

ok I can see why beowulf is fun for people

whoa that might be my fastest hades

[true fable]

beowulf can finish the regular hades fight in 30 seconds

[rain sedge]

yea 5k per hit

this is almost as high dps as chiron heart rend with those 2 special hammers

[sly remnant]

how many extra casts did you have

[rain sedge]

I got 5 by the end

2x chaos 2x arty

[sly remnant]

lol yea those are the fun runs

dad just spends the entire fight on his knees

[rain sedge]

hmm

I might get to EM4 FO2 hades in this 50 run

not sure if I'm prepared

[sly remnant]

you are prepared

[true fable]

weirdchamp

[rain sedge]

ok lernie killed me

it's actually pretty hard to play around the lava at this heat

[gaunt fiber]

Just don't walk in it

If that may help

(don't spam double dash)

[twilit orbit]

lava is scary

[north dove]

51 heat guan yu vid is up in #self-promotion

[ripe crane]

You can very easily turn PL on your non-hellmode file (responding to some discussion from yesterday)

Idk if that really matter

[misty hamlet]

I didn't save the screencap of my 45 Chiron run D:

that's a bummer

got beowulf though.

[sly remnant]

grats on the beo clear!

[true fable]

wobbles is it annoying or nice when people recognize you for ICs

also stygian passion flare beowulf

you are simply too good at this game

[ripe crane]

1 cast is wack, but passion flare is like one of the best choices I thought

[true fable]

passion flare is, it's just usually run with infernal which is the part im marveling at

since the cast stones just pop out immediately for passion flare

if dio cast didnt make that stupid festive fog id probably run infernal too

[unreal pasture]

I don't know if people want to know this... but the shield has a build that can cheese Hades pretty nicely, if you want consistently high heat

It's pretty bad dps but ... it works

[misty hamlet]

@true fable it's neat

[true fable]

great just making sure lol

your ics play is an inspiration

[misty hamlet]

also yeah I don't like using the infernal soul a lot of the time because having to run and get my cast back is a nuisance

[true fable]

fair enough

why not dio cast in that case?

just like having weak?

[misty hamlet]

it didn't give me dio cast 😦

[true fable]

oh yikes hahaha

what did you keepsake in tart

[misty hamlet]

dionysus 🙃

AP isn't my friend

but I tried to win anyhow and managed it

wait a second

I am thinking of the WRONG RUN

i probably just used persephone keepsake

anyhow, now it's time for 45 Gilgamesh

[true fable]

that sounds quite difficult

something about gilgamesh just feels ultra awkward

[ripe crane]

Imagine having 700 hp vs EM3 dad and dying

[north dove]

oh no

RIP

[ripe crane]

48 boonless on hestia

I need to basically start all of my attempts at anything with dad practice

That was so perfect of a setup. Very sad

[unreal pasture]

700hp across all your death defies?

[ripe crane]

Well it was boonless so all I had was my regular SD, but I did also have touch of Styx regular + dark

So 350 hp twice

I really screwed myself over thinking I had a summon left, then ate 100 damage spin after pressing it and nothing happened, was flustered after that and couldn't mentally recover

However I did discover that the +500% trap damage to enemies is sick in Elyseum

That doesn't make me less sad but it is good to know. Ballistas, eggs, pillars will shred everything. I also had it vs Asterius miniboss and he would take 900-1800 each time he ran into pillars.

[cerulean frigate]

@daring hedge those diamond bouldy eyes are back and this time it's 45 heat nice job

[daring hedge]

haha thanks. maybe not as fitting since i didn't buy a styx diamond this time but oh well

[true fable]

its a reflection of bouldy's nascent greed

[ripe crane]

Whoever said personal liability doesn't matter unless it really matters was very correct

[crystal iron]

it matters especially in hell mode because you are required to always have at least 1 point of hard labor, which also matters

[north dove]

Free heat btw

[crystal iron]

yeah, free. the game gives you that 5 heat for free at the start

[misty hamlet]

wooo did my 45 gil. every aspect done.

what challenge awaits me now? 50 heats? boonless runs? getting a life? time will tell

[true fable]

join us in speed 👀

[formal gust]

will be attempting 40 heat chiron soon

[honest kernel]

Getting closer and closer https://gyazo.com/38f0ec150b8768d2c626fe6449c218f3

[ripe crane]

Bruh

I was gonna sleep but now I have to see if you succeed

[daring hedge]

40 seconds left

[honest kernel]

Spoilers : I did not

Timed out because 4-sack

[cerulean frigate]

Fact: you don't need sleep if you aren't Hypnos

[daring hedge]

wait nevermind

i'm very smart

[cerulean frigate]

This means you can keep attempting 56 heat Zeus shield

[honest kernel]

The best part is

[cerulean frigate]

If you get any feelings of fatigue, just

[honest kernel]

That run I ran shackles all the way through lmao

[ripe crane]

Shackle is legit dude

80 is a lot of %

I am surprised by how little time is a factor in these boonless runs

[honest kernel]

Until you get to styx lmao

[ripe crane]

Especially with the RI3 AP2 you're running, I mean how often are you really going to get boons better than 80%?

[north dove]

Getting the damage to get through EM4 dad with these pact options is gonna be rough

[ripe crane]

Ah yeah EM4 dad gonna be brutal tho

Get yourself a nice CP1/JS1/PL instead of TD3

[daring hedge]

i'm still a little wary about doing the PL activation on a normal file thing. i'm not personally against it but i can imagine some people being weird about it

[ripe crane]

If they can tell me a tangible difference between doing that and just downloading a hell mode file to play with, then sure

[wraith imp]

oh snap. i didn't someone else was trying 50+ heat with zeus shield (which is now my main). i'm rooting for you.

if i can one day beat 54+ heat with zeus shield, i'll die happy i think. that's my personal goal.

edit: i read that you died to 4 sack. no worries. keep at it. you'll get there.

[daring hedge]

as i said, i'm not against it for obvious reasons, and i'm not saying that anyone being against it would be exactly justified

[honest kernel]

Already did 50 lol

[wraith imp]

nice. my best with zeus shield is 48 so far.

[daring hedge]

i just would rather not deal with folks acting all "it's not an actual hell mode file so this doesn't count" etc.

[tidal flame]

Dude just post a 56 heat run casually

Close

But no cigar

Better luck next time.

[ripe crane]

I can see where you're coming from. Idk. The speedrun.com guys already disallow it so the only other place I'd put it is in here

[wraith imp]

I'm confused. They disallow it why?

[north dove]

Please SGG just give 100% save files full control over the pact

[daring hedge]

ugh please!

hell mode can take off early mandatories for speedrunning, normal files can unlock PL with resources or something

i wish

[wraith imp]

Ah, I see.

[spring kettle]

How come people don’t really speedrun hell mode?

I can see why they don’t for god mode because the damage resistance varies

[ripe crane]

There are literally 3 lines in a lua file to delete and it is no longer a hellmode only option. Very dumb that they won't just officially do that imo

[daring hedge]

not too different from normal mode, just slightly longer at base because of mandatory pacts @spring kettle

[spring kettle]

But hell mode still has that one unique condition

[daring hedge]

would likely be far too niche of a category

[wraith imp]

Yeah, listen (specifically directed at SGG)...I'm not putting another 350+ hours to resource gather through everything. I love SGG games but I have things to do in life.

[spring kettle]

Yeah, I heard before hell mode was much more difficult, because of the limitation on darkness, and now it’s very nearly the same as normal

[wraith imp]

And 350+ hours is probably underselling time invested.

[ripe crane]

I mean I guess there are mods that increase the resources you get, I'm not sure how fast you could unlock everything in a hell mode save with those

[daring hedge]

hell mode used to limit you from ever being able to go down in heat; you'd do a personal best with a weapon and you could only do runs with heat higher than that lol

it was insanely restrictive, but now hell mode is in a bizarre place where the main difference comes from the early game for new players

[ripe crane]

That's wack

[daring hedge]

and by the end the thing that matters is that hell mode just... has PL and normal saves don't

i'm not a fan, to say the least

[wraith imp]

yep, many aren't.

[ripe crane]

I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned in game. I would have never discovered that it even existed if I hadn't come here

Why would I start a new file

[true fable]

is there not just a maxed out hell mode file

we really should have one of those

even if most people dont want to use someone else's save

[ripe crane]

There is

[true fable]

wherefore

[tidal flame]

Hell Mode would be "unfair" for average players

Although the category is set up for prestige which isn't meant for average players

[ripe crane]

I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna be that guy bWherefore actually means "why"

[tidal flame]

Solution: allow Hell Mode, post a maxed Hell Mode save like the Normal Mode one

I already kinda petitioned for a 32/40 heat category. Don't want to be that guy who keeps bringing up issues.

[true fable]

yeah i know i just think it sounds fun

[ripe crane]

Jerds was in here talking about 40 heat category and hell mode around 6pm est yesterday if you wanna see what he said

[true fable]

my thing is

[ripe crane]

Yee you right it fun

[true fable]

that i dont think your average player is doing 40/50 heat

ykno

idk

i know we want it to be "accessible" but if you're at the level where you want to submit runs to this niche of a category i think you know and are willing to play on a hell mode save

but i do get where they're coming from

idk i dont think it's an unfair advantage if everyone in the community has access to a max hell mode save

[tidal flame]

yeah

and not like allowing hell mode will affect any of the any heat or even 32 heat category

any% runners will quit before they have to enable JS1 CP1 lul

[boreal glade]

Anyone feel like the jury summons heat is poorly implemented? Its either a repetitive slog or there are too many enemies on the map to be able to even move around. I get that the challenge is the point, but this condition sometimes just sucks, depending on the room design and enemies spawned. I especially hate it when you get three waves of a low damage dealing thing with a lot of health, like armored vermin in the small Temple of Styx tunels, so its low risk and long, and you just need to dynasty warriors your way through it. ¿What do you guys think?

[tidal flame]

I don't mind the amount of enemies (maybe except for Numbskull Cloners), but I do mind the amount of waves. Just, like, let me fight them all at once 😄

[boreal glade]

Agreed

Id deal with the overcrowding if it wasnt so many waves of disposable damage sponges.

[true fable]

it is absolutely horrendous with unarmored witches in tartarus

[honest kernel]

Blergh, feels like the 50 heat clear all over again

[ocean ether]

Completely random thought, but I think the extra waves are there for performance reasons. At least partially.

[tidal flame]

Maybe, but then again, Cloner Numbskulls exist.

[ocean ether]

I vaguely recall people saying EM4 Hades had some performance issues on switch

True

Numbskull clones can reach redinkulous amounts with JS

add speed perk, FO2 and that chain perk on top of that

Bad times, very bad times.

[true fable]

there are definitely some rooms that i noticed hitching on switch with

the switch is not a very powerful gaming tool

[loud coral]

Lost a 45 heat run to 4sack, was really close to winning too

[true fable]

thats the worst

like losing to dad

it happens

losing to timer

feelsbad

side note GOD i wish gilga dash upper was just a smidge faster

only gilgamesh could feel awkward with +4 dashes and epic rush delivery

[loud coral]

Still livid I lost with this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330822508779405312/779237503898091542/unknown.png

That's a 4sack for ya I guess

[ocean ether]

F

I wish gilgamesh attack applied maim debuff(even without the damage at the end)

[mossy zinc]

@drowsy berry some good discussion of hell mode here: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[bright crescent]

my day be goin so fine

then boom

5 sack

ive always thought something nice to add to hades would be a pointer that activates when you have 5 enemies or less left

ive had flamewheels hiding in elysium, medusas floating over lava, anything related to drakes, even that one pot thing that fires mines in tartarus

the homing on casts helps though

[trim sigil]

the pinnacle of that one is probably that situation:
"wave 1: a few enemies"
"wave 2: just 2 of them"
Zag says something about enemy forces weakening
"wave 3: 2039582 spawns"

It really feels like JS just dumps everything into 3rd wave

[true fable]

anyone know how long rama dash strike charge shot takes to charge

say, down to the tenths of a second?

[rain sedge]

just tag tail

[true fable]

i feel bad pinging people on discord

[gaunt fiber]

So do I

@daring hedge

[true fable]

D:

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber

[gaunt fiber]

here i am

[mossy zinc]

lol Tailesque definitely doesn't know either.

[rain sedge]

AP1 just blocked me out of splitting bolt

[edgy arrow]

just got five sacked on TD3, so i decided to grab the anvil because yolo. got cursed slash, and proceeded to prolong my inevitable death hilariously by a full two minutes

i have zero regrets

[unreal pasture]

Surviving 22 minutes through a tight deadline is ... pretty impressive

Well... I should say "dying" but still... you lived... until you died

[edgy arrow]

in any case, you can heal faster than TD damages you with cursed slash, which makes me wanna see a run where someone gets cursed slash room 1, deliberately waits out the timer and then plays the rest of the game

yeah lol it was good fun

[rain sedge]

does LC4 affect quick recovery?

[edgy arrow]

i don't think so?

[rain sedge]

ok let's see

[unreal pasture]

who would win:
one dashy boy with cursed slashes
or... a tight deadline

[rain sedge]

not that I ever noticed the healing

[unreal pasture]

I've noticed it... but that boon really just seems to suck

The window is very tight

[rain sedge]

3 HP left from lernie at 50 monkaGIGA

at styx for 50 with no patty

I don't see this ending well, but pray for me all

[gaunt fiber]

[rain sedge]

alright I died to poison

it's fine I wouldn't have gotten it anyway, EM4 at 50 with FO2, and no patty

that's the furthest I've gone on 50 tho so pretty happy

[rugged barn]

I'm only barely in double-digit heats for a few weapons at the moment, but I would like to share this meme about my opinions of heat modifiers so far

...Ah, it appears pictures can't be uploaded here. Nevermind 😅

The meme was that one of that one DJ person doing the hand-rejecting and then the pointing with approval thing
The rejected text being "Picking heat modifiers to be as easy as possible" and the positive text being "Going fully into Extreme Measures first because I'm hard as nails"

[mossy zinc]

You can link it from imgur or something.

[rugged barn]

Eh, still got the idea across anyway

[rain sedge]

"going RI4 all weapons just to flex on noobs"

did you do shield yet nya?

[ripe crane]

RI4 seems to be the easiest on shield, based on Baj's RI3 runs

[mossy zinc]

I don't think it's the easiest at all.

[ripe crane]

Yeah I have no idea what I'm talking about actually, I don't use RI4 or shield

[true fable]

the rama charge shot has to be longer than 0.8 s right

im terrible at eyeballing this sort of stuff

[loud coral]

Beat 45 heat, can I join the Cool Kids Club now?

[wintry sluice]

you bet

now do it with every weapon

i just finished clearing heat 43 with every weapon, deciding on my next challenge

[true fable]

any diogenes triers in chat

[wintry sluice]

i'll try to clear heat 50 with GY next. just learned the spin attack still restores life at LC4.

[trim sigil]

So, after doing some tests, it takes 44 frames (~0.75 seconds) from the aim marker appearing to it flashing - start of powershot
However, for dashstrike itself, zag pulls out a bow 6 frames earlier than the marker appears, so total time may be 50 frames (0.84s)

[true fable]

hmmm

rush delivery still seems to be very not worth

extra dashes always the move on rama i guess

correct me if im interp that incorrectly

[trim sigil]

Because only heroic sprint dash will actually have duration to affect the rush delivery powershots, yeah

(or maybe not even heroic one)

[true fable]

i think heroic is 0.8s?

not sure

[trim sigil]

wiki says 0.9

huh

0.5-0.6-0.7-0.9

So yeah, heroic only, and we all know how consistent it is (not) to get heroic hermes boons

[true fable]

lol

[rain sedge]

@loud coral grats on 45

I have to learn how to play achilles from you I guess

[loud coral]

I barely use casts anymore lol

[honest kernel]

TBH at high heat, casts are harder to build into

[loud coral]

Only reason I haven't switch to Hades is because I suck with spin

[honest kernel]

Well you only really need to spin on the big guys for the damage boost

That's about it

[rain sedge]

Yeah its only viable on Poseidon with Zeus Athena duo

For 40+ I think

[loud coral]

Flurry Jab and Zeus on Attack is usually what I try to roll for, other than that Crystal Beam and Electric Shot can help as support

[honest kernel]

Doesn't help when you let AP or RI kick in

[true fable]

achilles feels like the best weapon with flurry jab

before that i find myself running from the opposition a lot on high heat

[rain sedge]

isnt hades just much better with flurry jab?

achilles only allow 4x hit for flurry jab no

[loud coral]

Hades can't roll Flurry Jab since it takes away the spin

[ripe crane]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that brain farted that interaction

[rain sedge]

wow my brain is so small

[trim sigil]

im glad for deducting this out by myself without actually spending 5+ hades runs clueless

[true fable]

id like to say im smart but i think tailesque told me

[gaunt fiber]

I'm smart

Or maybe I've played a bit of a "similar" aspect idk

[true fable]

anyone have the excel for pom rarity but for casts/beowulf?

[gaunt fiber]

pom rarity, hm...

I think I've only seen the artemis/aphrodite one

[true fable]

i have nyaanyaa spreadsheet for atk/special scaling but theres no cast stuff

still boggles my mind that it takes 15 poms to reach +100% damage on tempest strike

[rain sedge]

KEKW

[gaunt fiber]

damn

I was going to ask what I did to you

but I remember

[rain sedge]

it's just friendly ribbing 😦

[gaunt fiber]

nice

I like friendly things

[rain sedge]

stubborn roots or divine dash on 50?

(TD3)

[trim sigil]

what a choice

[rain sedge]

it doesn't regenerate outside of combat?

[trim sigil]

It doesn't

neither it does most of the time if you run SD

for obvious reasons

[rain sedge]

"obvious"?

I die on every chamber lmfao

[trim sigil]

Fair ig

half the time then

[rain sedge]

i took stubborn roots

let's see how useful this is

oh no another doomstone

I'm doomed

jk athena call came in clutch

[rain sedge]

im on the perfect 50 run

if I get 2 sac I might actually win

[wraith imp]

<keep us updated>

[gaunt fiber]

[wraith imp]

these emojis kill me.

[gaunt fiber]

you mean peepo ?

[wraith imp]

all of them. i like the sgg hades-centric ones too.

[gaunt fiber]

yup they're good

[rain sedge]

no 2 sac, I lost patty

and I got blocked from an epic greatest reflex just for the icing in the cake

the game is taunting me

I would've taken the 3 sac if I actually get the +3 dash but yeah, no

[wraith imp]

regroup soldier.
march on.

[rain sedge]

it's EM4 at 50, my survival is unlikely

see you all in a bit when I die

[gaunt fiber]

oh it's EM4

I thought you were going to succeed

you're dead meat boyo

[wraith imp]

smh, get a load of this debbie downer
grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[rain sedge]

yeah, TD3 ate me on first phase already

I can't stall using the stubborn defiance

[gaunt fiber]

yeah TD3 EM4 can be rough

[rain sedge]

it's hard. I think it's the FO2 that made me lose all my shields quite quickly

I feel like I need something like patty + extra dashes + maybe athena DD

[gaunt fiber]

and a cup of tea with all that ?

[rain sedge]

I'm a brit, so yeah

how goes your adenture astaos?

up to anything good lately?

[gaunt fiber]

Well

have not played for 2 days

that's it

I'm too tired and if I were to play, I would not do anything but 50 GY. Which is not relaxing

But I'll get to it

I've been up to other adventures

[rain sedge]

other games?

pog

what you playing

[true fable]

breaks are good

[gaunt fiber]

we're going astray my friend

[true fable]

especially if you're going for 50 GY

[gaunt fiber]

But I enjoy Okami atm

[gaunt fiber]

Hell yeah buddy

The problem with 50 (without EM4) is that you have even less control on your runs

and if you're not good like me

You end up wasting excellent runs

[true fable]

i think it's just hard not to get tilted

also my jaw physically hurts after trying 50 heat

[gaunt fiber]

It's my forearms personnally

[rain sedge]

I think the AP1 thing is tilting me so much

so many good boons blocked

like I've gotten blocked for splitting bolts 3x today

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

AP2 gamer here boyo

[rain sedge]

GY needs literally 1 hammer and 1 boon

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

that's true

russain roulette all day long

[rain sedge]

I've gotten so much better though

I can get to heroes consistently at 50 now

without much good boons

[gaunt fiber]

seing charged skewer blocked. Delicacy

Nice !

The more progress I made on the game were my GY 40 attempts

[rain sedge]

my first 32 was my biggest leap

lmfao died to spear trap on elysium

instakill with HS

alright, I'm good for the night. cya all

[gaunt fiber]

cya !

[tidal flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742317359611641856/779471591724941393/unknown.png

someone dropped this in #h1-for-new-players with a caption, third time beating the game, woo

[prisma pebble]

lmfao died to spear trap on elysium

honestly I feel like heightened security should be worth 2 heat instead of 1 at times

near the end of a run it can really flip a run upside down

[spring kettle]

heightened security is scary because of the jars in the final boss fight

[prisma pebble]

also 150dmg styx traps

[rain sedge]

makes sure footing mandatory

[gaunt fiber]

l

[rain sedge]

well @tidal flame , as someone said on this channel, people will do anything for clout

[true fable]

yes people will do absolutely anything for clout

[gaunt fiber]

that's a funny one

[tidal flame]

I mean it's such a funny flex. I highly doubt they actually beat 52. based on the amount of clears and the almost full mirror/2star keepsake

most likely a save file edit.

[rain sedge]

I mean if you're playing on PC there's a million ways to cheat

you can just clear once and then have some mod that give you infinite HP/one hit kill or something

[tidal flame]

oh also true.

[gaunt fiber]

cheating

solo game

yay

[rain sedge]

one could argue that cheating in a solo game is the only ethical cheating

[tidal flame]

^

whatever you do in your singleplayer game is your business, as long as you don't claim it as legit.

[rain sedge]

I'm planning to cheat on AC valhalla for resources to avoid the grind later on endgame

[gaunt fiber]

ethical

[tidal flame]

• me putting 999999 lunar coin to my RoR2 game

[gaunt fiber]

yeah I mean I don't care about that

[rain sedge]

lmfao hazard bomb or spread fire for hammer upgrade

those are my only 2 choices, eris

[ripe crane]

That's a yike

[wraith imp]

Wait...spread fire is good though.

[ripe crane]

I would pick spread fire of those and try to go ham with regular shot but

6 bullets is tiny

[high kettle]

heya all! sorry to disturb, im coming back to the game after a little break of a few weeks and i am trying to do the heat 32 run. I chose chiron as it is an aspecti really like and that's still pretty strong, but i dont know if i am choosing the punishments corectly. You migh be able to give an advice

i ok a screenshot of what i have but cant post it here

[gaunt fiber]

I would avoid FO2, AP and RI

The rest is fine really

[high kettle]

best run i did was to p3, but extreme measure 3 killed me on the last bit of health the boss had

[gaunt fiber]

Just don't TD 3 JS 3 CP 2

[high kettle]

only doing td1

[gaunt fiber]

Push it to 2 imo

[high kettle]

huh... im not sure

usually i have 2 to 3 mins left when reaching end of tartarus

for some reason its very tight for me XD

also, not really heat related, but is it new that you have to choose between directx, vulkan and 32bit versions of the game?

surprised me when i launched the game first

[gaunt fiber]

Kinda new

You'll get used to TD

[high kettle]

i guess

i just wanna get that heat 32

and i dont think any other weap would be easier than chiron

then ill only have to level up all keepsakes and ill consider the game completed

[gaunt fiber]

Chiron is one of the easiest indeed

[mossy zinc]

Lol my 32 Chiron today very suddenly ended when I stepped on a 150-damage urn.

[high kettle]

F

[daring hedge]

when a grasping ghost hand grabs zag's ankle so hard he dies 😔

[mossy zinc]

I forgot I had that on, so I didn't even pay attention lol.

[rain sedge]

chiron is freee

#h1-high-heat-strategies message
@high kettle pact suggestion and build etc

so can the good players suggest to me how to clear 50 eris

I can't do EM4 dad

[gaunt fiber]

Finally a question I don't have to answer

[mossy zinc]

Don't take EM4 then.

[rain sedge]

50 heat though....

that's 4 heat that goes to either RI or AP

[north dove]

If you don't take EM4 you have to take some RI

[rain sedge]

tbh I think my power loss is fine if I can dodge the EM4

I'll give it some more try, and take RI1 if I have to

I think RI2 is too hard

[high kettle]

Thanks a lot!

[ripe crane]

I'm starting to think this game isn't actually very good

[true fable]

D:

arent you also grinding 50 heat boonless lol

cuz that might be why

[ripe crane]

I should have just gotten 48 yesterday and then I would never touch it again. But actually now I'm trying 52 with hestia

Not being able to take DC is painful

52 not boonless

[rain sedge]

this game is very addictive... I was supposed to get one 32 and leave it

and that became 6x32, then became 40, then become 45, and now I'm grinding 50 for no reason

[ripe crane]

I feel like I've somehow gotten much worse at the game on the past week

[north dove]

Gradually increasing the difficulty can make you feel that way. Might be a good idea to wreck some 32 heat runs to get that confidence back up.

[rain sedge]

btw, have anyone tried merciful ending eris?

in theory, that's good, no? fast doom, extra damage

[true fable]

i was supposed to do 6x32 and then just fell into speed

i know sussman on the speed discord says ME eris is good but

not sure

he just did it by accident some runs where he did dad keepsake out of tartarus

[edgy arrow]

me: imma do an arthur run

the game: what if all the enemies were saviour numbskulls?

[untold sigil]

ooof

that sounds sad

reminds me of the time i wanted to do a gilga run but a chamber had savior cloner numbskulls

[edgy arrow]

can be rough for sure

died in that run, but on my next (current) one I took a chaos curse that made my attack damage me and then proceeded to be forced into a special only lernie fight lol

so i think this just proves if the game doesn't screw me over, i will screw myself

[ripe crane]

Someone give me their favorite weapon/build

As a thing to try

[edgy arrow]

beowulf, aphro cast

might be more interesting favourite builds out there lol

[ripe crane]

Beowulf is my literal least favorite weapon

[edgy arrow]

oof

to each their own ig

[ripe crane]

Only because it feels slow

I will try poseidon with aphro cast though

I never use this thing

[edgy arrow]

trippy flare is the other classic one

some people find it more fun

[rain sedge]

Eris sea storm

It's really fun

Poseidon with message shot and the Athena Zeus duo is super fun

Also I've died to 40 EM4

Looks like I got no hope for 50

[untold sigil]

Gilga Bad Influence and Backstab via dash

[ripe crane]

EM4 is hard at any heat

[daring hedge]

not true at all, and EM4 is just very difficult

yeah

[edgy arrow]

my current plan is to just ignore EM4 unless i get to 46

[untold sigil]

after ya tag 3, bad influence lets yer basic atk rip thru crowds

[edgy arrow]

then just put a pile of time into drilling that fight and do 50 ez

(it will not be ez)

[untold sigil]

backstab applied with yer dash activates PS

[ripe crane]

Imma be real, I don't remember what bad influence of

[edgy arrow]

deal more damage while 3 or more foes are hungover

[ripe crane]

Ooh yeah

[rain sedge]

My 50 heat setup demands EM4 basically

[untold sigil]

aphro or athena work really well with this

[rain sedge]

That's why I feel like I got no hope to get it

[edgy arrow]

i think that's mostly the case for 50

[ripe crane]

So do I take hangover dash?

[untold sigil]

never

ever

take dio dash

[ripe crane]

I'm doing it

[edgy arrow]

oh no

[untold sigil]

yer gonna hate it

[ripe crane]

On Gilg? Unbeatable

[edgy arrow]

to be fair, crepes is used to boonless at this point

[rain sedge]

I feel like... I need 2x Athena DD, patty, and extra dashes to win, with some DPS boons

[edgy arrow]

dio dash is prolly great from that perspective

[untold sigil]

it's a defensive dash and has ass range

[rain sedge]

Which is then a slot machine

[untold sigil]

also has the lowest hangover dmg

[edgy arrow]

lol i think he's well aware its bad

he doing it for meme

[untold sigil]

ik

XD

id probably take dio dash on gilga IF

the significantly increased the range

itd make applying Bad influence easier

[rain sedge]

Does gilga dash have non invul frames between them?

[daring hedge]

@rain sedge you can swap out EM4 for RI2 at 50, but it does make the front end of the run more difficult overall in exchange

[rain sedge]

I was considering this, tbh.

I think... The lack of dark foresight might make underworld customs more punishing, but at this rate that does seem preferable

I can take antos to deal with furies

[untold sigil]

ive definitely gotten hit in between dashes so probably yes? also the dashes are super short so 😅

I also like Rending Claws paired with Demeter focus and zeus/demeter duo @ripe crane

[ripe crane]

Hey

Drunken dash is awful

Why did nobody warn me

[untold sigil]

_>

im positive we did lol

ya goof

how did it go?

[ripe crane]

There's really no way to know tbh

It was bad. Especially after I rare cropped it and damage got reset to 2

[untold sigil]

oof

welp now ya know xD

[ripe crane]

I didn't realize the common was two

[untold sigil]

we did say it had the lowest hangover dmg

i think it's a dash that does need a buff frfr

especially with how hangover works

[ripe crane]

Many dashes are bad

[true fable]

being able to stack max hangover on dash would be slightly busted if you buffed it any more

[ripe crane]

Are you telling me to do Zeus attack dem special on demeter fists?

Dang now I wanna do blade dashes on Gilg tho

[true fable]

blade dash gilga is the new challenge

the ultimate beyblade

[untold sigil]

that's possible and been done before

[true fable]

go for epic dashes

[ripe crane]

That's what retrash used for 50 gilg

[true fable]

ah right

[untold sigil]

i used demeter atk and zeus special

[true fable]

i imagine itd actually be good with like 4 more boons

demeter attack zeus special

[untold sigil]

if i used cold fusion im not expecting to be constantly applying it

jolted, that is

[true fable]

what do you until/if you dont get cold fusion

[untold sigil]

demeter's curse works well with gilga imo
tho i could be very misinformed tbh

it slows enemies and stacks with rending claws

also has a % boost so yer not losing out

[daring hedge]

rending claws + chill + killing freeze + numbing sensation

[untold sigil]

if im not plannin on using athena dash and im feelin spicy i do like taking mistral dash as well

[north dove]

would almost make speeder chariots normal speed... almost

[untold sigil]

the ideal goal with Rending Gilga and Demeter dash/atk is to get killing freeze and/or artic blast

fer me anyways

it makes gilga seems like sonic

relatively speaking XD

if you can get killing freeze and/or cold fusion yer getting DoTs off

i find it fun! i havent tried this past 32 heat but it works fer the rest below

i remember getting epic rare crop on Killing freeze, ravenous will and dem atk-that was glorious

[ripe crane]

I changed my mind

Gilg is my least favorite weapon

What am I supposed to do with this thing

[hollow lynx]

play demfists instead

[ripe crane]

Ya those are my fav

[untold sigil]

Yea...Gilga is...an acquired taste

i like it but i dun think most ppl take it unless they reallly like Gilga

cause there are other aspects/wep that do it better

[ripe crane]

I didn't know it was possible to get through Asphodel without seeing hermes

[untold sigil]

you havent lived until you dont get your keepsake boon until the 22nd chamber in Asphodel

[ripe crane]

I'm just going back to dem first

Fist

[spring kettle]

I think the special on gilga fists is slow

[untold sigil]

it is

abysmally so

and has quite a bit of lag

unless im force buildin a special build, i tend to only use the dash special on tanky enemies, hard to reach enemies and bosses

[rain sedge]

I just realized

Theoretically you can get 8 dashes with gilga

The Beyblade will be legendary

[amber badger]

Is Stubborn Defiance the "meta" even for 32 heat? I thought it was only used for 40+

[cedar thistle]

did someone mention gilga beyblade o.o https://streamable.com/ixcw79

hehe

i don't think subborn defiance is good for 32. probably makes it harder

3 DD is nice.

and you can luck out with patty if you screwed up early on

[edgy arrow]

running DDs may well be easier yeah

for 32 heat speedruns tho you have limited options for heat that won’t directly slow you down, so LC4 is hard to pass up

it’s also good to get used to if you’re planning on going higher

a lot of people who mess around at 40+ use it when we do 32 runs simply because we’re used to it i guess

[cedar thistle]

trying to do arthur 32. why is FO2 so hard D:

it feels so slow on every other weapon

but on arthur im getting hit non stop. lmao

[unreal pasture]

It is pretty slow... armored blood guys are pretty much the worst on Arthur

[true fable]

look i wont hate on gilga

it gave me 7 dashes

but you cant deny it feels awk

[unreal pasture]

Even 3 feels strange to me...

But I like Gilga... not gotten 7-8 dashes

[true fable]

i got epic dashes and gambled at eurydice

was quite fun

[unreal pasture]

I usually just don't take it on Gilga but 🤷‍♂️

[true fable]

yeah hyper sprint is probably better

[unreal pasture]

What was your dash that run?

I feel like if you have splash dash ... you can probably melt bosses, but dunno

And lightning dash can scale into a lot of damage

But is bad on its own

[true fable]

i was going for a passion dash heart rend build

worked pretty well but optimized more for speed than heat

[unreal pasture]

Ah, yeah. Artemis attack does a surprising amount of damage on Gilga... I guess because the massive 60 base

[cedar thistle]

i wonder if gilga controls is working as intended

if you do a dash attack.
with attack right after dash, you can attack once. but it's really tight timing.

Otherwise, you'll have to attack twice? A normal attack following the dash attack.
Or trying to dash away will queue a dash attack instead of a dash.

it's just so weird.

[misty hamlet]

attention: i don't like 50 heat lucifer

that is all

[ripe crane]

I am SHOCKED that [bad weapon] is not fun at high heat

[misty hamlet]

i've gotten to dad a couple times but

not with much time on the clock or health in the tank 😦

[ripe crane]

I tried it with sea storm meme build and could not deal any damage to dad the one time I actually made it to him

I just don't vibe with any of the heavy weapons except Rama

Which I think is a common sentiment

[misty hamlet]

my most success actually came from a dionysus special build

[ripe crane]

No. I disagree.

[misty hamlet]

:0

oh

my bad

[ripe crane]

You might think that happened, but I assure you that it did not

[misty hamlet]

b-but

i'll just have to carry that memory with me

[ripe crane]

tbh I wish you could just... not detonate the specials

I would love to plop three down in smaller rooms and let them just pulse damage

[true fable]

crepes was that the time you took eternal chamber

because i think that mightve been the reason for the falloff on boss damage

also it's been tested lucifer ramp resets when you switch targets

which just... feels.. really bad

[ripe crane]

yes xD

[true fable]

well i think we found the issue

clearly it isnt with super soaker

[ripe crane]

now I wanna super soak

I'm sure 32 will be fine

[unreal pasture]

I am heavy weapons guy... and this is my weapon

[true fable]

i will beat ronnies time you heard it here first

not sure how much clout that will get me but we do everything for clout dont we

[ripe crane]

I don't even know who a ronnie is

[unreal pasture]

What is lucifer's proc rate anyway? Faster than Eris?

[misty hamlet]

alright i am at dad with 2 DD, a bunch of health, and 7 minutes on the clock

WISH ME LUCK

[honest kernel]

Oh snap

👀

[misty hamlet]

SNEAKS

AAAH

phase 2 no dds and <100 health 😦

[honest kernel]

You can do it

[misty hamlet]

nope 😦

ded

almost got to phase 3 though darn

[honest kernel]

Nice attempt tho

[misty hamlet]

athena special on lucifer is so good holy moly

[honest kernel]

Is it ?

I always end up blowing up the mines so lol

[misty hamlet]

it has a hideously disproportionate deflect radius on the mine

[honest kernel]

Makes sense

[misty hamlet]

plus the damage scaling is decent

[honest kernel]

Now that you mention disproportionate radiuses

High voltage, Zeus special, Zeus aspect of shield

[misty hamlet]

haha shield go brrr

[honest kernel]

THIS needs to be tested

Legit

Making the radius of the special bigger helps with Zeus shield's main flaw : Room clears

This is why I like explosive return a LOT on it

[misty hamlet]

also, I learned something important about sneaks

(not to ignore what you're saying but)

if you aphrodite charm a sneak after it hits you

it will blink away, clear the charm, reset its attack, and stab you again 🙂

[honest kernel]

lmao

[daring hedge]

yeah, i discovered this a while back too

[misty hamlet]

what a great enemy 🙃

[unreal pasture]

very cool

[daring hedge]

kind of expected but incredibly disappointing all the same

[untold sigil]

sneaks clean off their curses and debuffs

i found out during em4

was not a fun time

[misty hamlet]

so cool

[sly hound]

Frick the sneak tbh

[misty hamlet]

you know, if they wanna hose you with sneaks in EM4, fine

but can there at least not be DOUBLE sneaks

[untold sigil]

i felt this

[honest kernel]

Everybody gangsta 'till the squirrel shades take away your precious accorns

[untold sigil]

Imagine double sneak with double perks tho

a fight fer yer life

[daring hedge]

i just want doomstone summons always and forever

[untold sigil]

^

[sly hound]

Once I hit the last third of Hades phase 1

[honest kernel]

Gimme stomper pls

[sly hound]

I tend to just focus him

[untold sigil]

call feeder fer days

[misty hamlet]

alright friends

i'm gonna supersoak heat 50

[sly hound]

And ignore the adds

[honest kernel]

oh boi

[misty hamlet]

catch you on the cool side 😎

[true fable]

doomstone is the best summon for so many reasons

[honest kernel]

Squirt Gun about to be mega-powered up

[daring hedge]

memes no longer just dreams

[untold sigil]

you aint putting out no heat with that

[sly hound]

Butterfly isnt too bad either

[misty hamlet]

@untold sigil you don't know how 🆒 I am

WITNESS ME

[honest kernel]

🔫

[untold sigil]

okay XD

[misty hamlet]

oh no she has a gun

[sly hound]

But sneak and hydra, bleh

[daring hedge]

soul catcher isn't bad except for how it can just delete acorn charges from the most random stray butterfly

also really a huge pain with rama due to interrupting power shots

[untold sigil]

watch you get slapped around by some savior cloner numbskulls

[sly hound]

I gave up using acorn for EM4, lel

[true fable]

the reason why i love doomstone is because of the nice crunch sound when you kill the little guys

[sly hound]

I just use skelly, now

[untold sigil]

skelly?

[honest kernel]

you what now

[sly hound]

The tooth

[misty hamlet]

:0 room 2 zeus after opening room poseidon

[honest kernel]

Oh

[untold sigil]

oh

bout to say

[misty hamlet]

it's time

[sly hound]

Srry x)

[north dove]

doomstones are just call batteries pretty much

[true fable]

@misty hamlet what challenge are you doing

call batteries LOL

[misty hamlet]

50 heat supersoaker

[honest kernel]

@misty hamlet 'tis a sign

[true fable]

LET'S GO

please tell me this is on recording

[untold sigil]

taking a water gun thru hell

if yer streamin ill watch it

😄

[honest kernel]

Does Wobbles actually stream anything outside of Melee

[untold sigil]

let's see if that nerf gun puts in that work

[honest kernel]

Not my thing to watch Melee streamers

Even if I am familiar with the scene a bit

[untold sigil]

D<

[true fable]

D:

[honest kernel]

Game's great

[true fable]

i love melee streams

[sly hound]

Maybe you can be so weak that enemies will pity you, and let you win

[honest kernel]

Am into other things now lmao

[sly hound]

Who knows

[true fable]

although all ive played is hades for the past month so who knows

but if wobbles streams super soaker 50

insta watch

[honest kernel]

He isn't live

[untold sigil]

when a certain game with a certain witch comes out imma dip fer a while

🕺🏿 🚪

[misty hamlet]

i did not mean to literally witness me

[true fable]

[misty hamlet]

maybe i should be streaming the 50 heats at least

[true fable]

listen to the people

[honest kernel]

That'd be dope

[true fable]

by the people i mean me and baj

[misty hamlet]

also @honest kernel i don't actually stream melee at all

[honest kernel]

Interesting

[untold sigil]

stream the soaker!

[daring hedge]

lol

[misty hamlet]

i stopped playing a few years ago

[honest kernel]

Hmm

A bit sad to hear, but understandable

[misty hamlet]

mabye i'll stream some tomorrow

[true fable]

i actually am trying to set up hades on a GC controller

rn

if anyone has experience with that

[honest kernel]

lmao

[misty hamlet]

dunno how long i'll be awake tonight

[honest kernel]

I know I setup a GC controller for some other games

[misty hamlet]

the real question is do i pom a zeus special or my watergun

[honest kernel]

but that was a WHILE back, forgot about the procedure

[true fable]

tempest strike poms are useless lol

[honest kernel]

^

[true fable]

according to nyaanyaas spreadsheet

[misty hamlet]

the damage gain on both is so crummy

[north dove]

definitely consider recording your 50 heat runs wobbles, not enough of those around

[true fable]

it would take 14!

[misty hamlet]

i just want to eat the pom and ignore the weapons

[true fable]

poms

[untold sigil]

i actually dont like poms

[true fable]

to reach +100% on common tempest strike

14 POMS!

[misty hamlet]

so I'm only 13 away

[true fable]

LOL

[untold sigil]

that's ew

[true fable]

heartbreak strike gets there in 4

[untold sigil]

love is the strongest force

[daring hedge]

but obviously it makes up for this with the massive wall slam damage

huge

[untold sigil]

_>

[honest kernel]

Does it even practically happen lmao

[daring hedge]

absolutely not

[untold sigil]

is that why ppl sell second wave?

[honest kernel]

It's either useless or overkill

And selling it nets a good chunk of gold

[sly hound]

Second wave OP

[untold sigil]

but most ppl say to sell it?

[honest kernel]

Yeah

They'd be right

[true fable]

bro tailesque you're sleeping on it

once you get typhoon's fury wave pounding

[sly hound]

Selling orange boon, what a shame

[true fable]

and breaking wave

[north dove]

breaking wave should be the legendary and second wave the T2

[daring hedge]

lol

[true fable]

it's at least even

with common arty attack

[untold sigil]

wait you were one of the ppl who said to sell it LOL

[honest kernel]

👀

[true fable]

yeah no sell second wave for sure

[honest kernel]

^

[untold sigil]

why poseidon gotta be like this

[daring hedge]

hey at least he has tidal dash

[honest kernel]

Because he gotta have 2 legendaries

[sly hound]

Frick POSeidon

[untold sigil]

but athena has athena dash

[north dove]

athena took all the good boons

[untold sigil]

and unless ya gonna go all in tidal dash aint it

imo

[true fable]

look at this absolutely cursed boon screen

[honest kernel]

Don't even need to go all in on Tidal Dash for it to be insane lmao

[true fable]

https://imgur.com/7PI92Ud

[daring hedge]

i mean if we're talking in an extreme sense sure, yes. i'm just trying to throw uncle poseidon a bone okay

[true fable]

impossible choice

[sly hound]

Athena and Arty stealing the good boons

[untold sigil]

hey!

aphro's good too

[true fable]

huge catch is unironically better than second wave lmao

at least you get more meta rewards

[daring hedge]

oh yeah poseidon has two legendaries, so automatically becomes best god

[edgy arrow]

huge catch is great

its worth like 400 obols

[untold sigil]

i never fish tho

[edgy arrow]

free money

[daring hedge]

that's a you problem

[untold sigil]

D<

[daring hedge]

not a poseidon problem 🐟

[untold sigil]

it can be both

[edgy arrow]

yeah its clearly super powerful

its a legendary

must be powerful

that's how it works

[daring hedge]

it's orange and you get more meta resources

absolute game changer

[sly hound]

Kekw

[edgy arrow]

truth right here

[untold sigil]

icic

[edgy arrow]

meta = better

it even rhymes

[untold sigil]

After i found out how easy exposed can be applied i like divine strike on fists and serrated spear more

[sly hound]

Nah

[daring hedge]

deadly strike is better on serrated out of the box, but divine strike serrated is nice after netting deadly reversal

[sly hound]

Its dash or nothing

c:

[untold sigil]

shhh

i tried deadly reversal

it wasnt it

scratch that

[edgy arrow]

idk anything about spear meta but aphro attack with unhealthy fixation led me to one of the most hilarious hades fights i've ever seen

[misty hamlet]

I walk into eurydice with no dd and 20 health and she's like "don't bleed on my floor hon"

[daring hedge]

[constant hades giggling]

[misty hamlet]

I'M DYING BROCOLLI WOMAN

I NEED MEDICAL ASSISTANCE NOT PORRIDGE

[sly hound]

I only like deadly reversal with sword and fist, tbh

[north dove]

wait are you running DDs instead of SDs at 50 heat?

[daring hedge]

he did DDs for all his 45s

with full LC

[untold sigil]

if yer good you can have all 3

[sly hound]

Seriously ??

O o f

[edgy arrow]

some of them only had LC3 iirc

but ye

[daring hedge]

ah, right

still

[untold sigil]

impressive

[edgy arrow]

yeah either way

[north dove]

that's super impressive yeah, especially getting all the way to Hades

[sly hound]

I was already using SD at 32,lol

[untold sigil]

ill vicariously live thru yalls victories

[misty hamlet]

oh dear

i got barged

[untold sigil]

barged?

[misty hamlet]

of deathed

[sly hound]

Miniboss

[untold sigil]

it's not too bad

[misty hamlet]

it is when you have 20 health

[untold sigil]

oof

[misty hamlet]

and you're trying to meme through with supersoaker

oh well

[sly hound]

Not as bad as getting vermined

[untold sigil]

sounds like ya shoulda took the flamethrower instead