#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 136

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:53 AM

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though athena dash is really important for it imo

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:53 AM

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arthur has great range

edgy arrow Nov 16, 2020, 5:53 AM

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pos is way safer

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as is arthur

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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nem is scary cause you dash to do more damage. but you cant dash away from attacks if you use them all up to attack

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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poseidon you're barely even playing sword anymore tbh

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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on zag sword you are dead as soon as you pick it up

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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no athena dash on nemesis (or zag sword) is terrifying

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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nemesis you trade safety for damage

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that is the crux of nem sword

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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td3 is literally free on nemesis

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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your offense is also your biggest escape option

edgy arrow Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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nem you trade safety for playing a sword

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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timer is the least scary thing

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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you dont really trade safety for damage since its exactly as safe as regular sword

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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like poseidon you have offensive options that arent your dash strike

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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you just... get more damage

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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not really

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 AM

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for no drawback over the base sword

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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so zag sword is just glass

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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ok but we're not really comparing it to the PoS that is zag sword here

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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dull glass

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I mean the sword is inherently just not the safest weapon

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nemesis aspect doesn't make it any more unsafe

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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but guan yu is a glass cannon can we agree

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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it just adds damage

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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guan yu just stands back and throws stuff

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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yes GY feels like a glass cannon

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 AM

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but dies to almost anything

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 AM

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GY stands back and throws stuff because trying to do anything else is liable to get you killed

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 AM

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GY can feel like a glass slingshot sometimes

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Poseidon sword and arthur sword are not nearly as unsafe as nem sword was basically my point

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in calling it a glass cannon

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 AM

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same

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 AM

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arthur sword is probably more safe when played well

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poseidon is just a cast button

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cast weapons aren't real weapons 😠

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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no one legitimately uses zag sword so it doesn't really enter the discussion tbh

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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wtf

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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you're just a rock throwing wizard with a sword shaped wizard staff

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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cast weapons are all i use

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i feel personally attacked

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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beowulf is its own weapon

green fiber Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Beowulf begs to differ, Silly

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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it has unique properties

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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beowulf makes you a wizard with a big door

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 AM

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and looks sick

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I can't use Beo at all sad

green fiber Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Makes you BRAUM

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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beo takes some getting used to

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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real men use attacks (and sometimes special)

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I used to not like it

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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i suck with beo

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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listen I'll have you know

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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but charged flight is easy mode

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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"beowulf with charged shot is a better weapon than hera bow." - thank you for coming to me TEDxhades talk

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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just like I suck with spear, but exploding launcher makes it easy mode

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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guan yu basically starts with exploding launcher

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 AM

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sadly there isnt any good sword option that turns it into a better bow

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Doesn't Beo with charged shot still make the cast attack where Zagreus is?

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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GY starts with exploding launcher at the cost of turning HL5 into HL10

green fiber Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Zag Sword ain't half bad tbh

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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wait no, its actually HL15

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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no it goes where it aims

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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poggythorax

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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since you take x4 damage instead of x2

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Doesn't Beo with charged shot still make the cast attack where Zagreus is?
@loud coral
it goes where aim ends

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I know what I'm running tonight

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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charged shot is one of the best shield hammers

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yep

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for one, it completely deals with great shields

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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i can definitely understand that charged shot is very powerful

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but it doesnt fit my playstyle so I dont usually take it

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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edit: charged shot is one of the few things that goes through the block of great shields like artemis cast

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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and if your attack has piercing

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like that one rail hammer

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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charged shot is powerful but also literally bugged rn

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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oh yeah...had a feeling i was forgetting something

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 AM

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wdym

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:01 AM

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sometimes it eats your cast without casting

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LOL did you not see this bug

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it's uh

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not good

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 6:01 AM

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nope

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:02 AM

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yep it seems to happen rarely but has happened to me at some very inconvenient times

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so i've stopped taking charged shot

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 6:52 AM

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45 heat on eris done :D

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delta chamber is insanely good

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:56 AM

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the blinding flash bug is alive and well for anyone wondering

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900 damage hera bow cast compared to 3K backstab with parting shot LMAO

dire steppe Nov 16, 2020, 6:57 AM

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level 0 guan yu with HL5 is actually HL28

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 6:57 AM

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lol

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:05 AM

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i have to skip sisyphus and midshop to grab chaos

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pain

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:07 AM

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unlucky

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:12 AM

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literally never lucky

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had to roll twice to get my cast :^)

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the game is simply telling me to try again tomorrow

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:12 AM

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is that with ap?

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sometimes i reroll twice and dont get zeus attack as eris :))

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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yeah AP1

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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with no AP

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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i'm tryna match cin's 45 beo

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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oo gl

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:36 AM

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i swear AP homes in on green boons

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theres no way this can be random

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:53 AM

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green boons?

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:53 AM

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rare

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:54 AM

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hmmm...rare boons show up as blue for me.

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epic is purple

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pink-ish/salmon-ish is heroic

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orange is legendary

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wait... @heady olive did you mean duo boons? those are green for me

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 7:56 AM

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hmm

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i am not sure really

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i use a colour filter so i cant tell

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 7:56 AM

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green boons are duo boons

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:56 AM

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i just checked on google images and yeah...the color coding i said above seems to be right.

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 7:57 AM

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heroic is red

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I dont think it can be considered pink-ish

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:57 AM

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red?

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naw man

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 7:57 AM

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red

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:57 AM

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it's salmon-colored

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https://i.redd.it/gi6wau2r8q541.png

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for comparison, look at the petals on the victory screen. THAT'S red.

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 7:58 AM

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its clearly red

wraith imp Nov 16, 2020, 7:58 AM

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it's clearly salmon

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lol

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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heck, look at the artemis diamond and the background behind it in the top left

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but whatever

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i'm going to sleep

twilit orbit Nov 16, 2020, 8:00 AM

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color is RGB: 125, 50, 46

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or something similar to that

frank ridge Nov 16, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Looks like rust to me

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 8:09 AM

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it's definitely red, just slightly desaturated and darker

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the little tab to the top right of the boons to mark rarity makes it pretty clear that it's meant to read as red

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 8:29 AM

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by green i meant duo

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i did not think that would spark this much discourse

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but yeah i think 90% of my green boons have been crossed out

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 8:30 AM

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the power of rng

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Monitors don't all show the same colors lol.

heady olive Nov 16, 2020, 10:44 AM

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is it possible to clear the final level in 5 min if u hv to go through 5 tunnels?

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i was definitely gonna win and then rip ._.

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shouldnt have used TD3 when clearing for fun i guess

static plover Nov 16, 2020, 11:09 AM

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ummm, if you're really good maybe
in reality, 5 sack will in the majority of cases end the run with TD3 on

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 11:12 AM

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At high heat, it's probably just over with 5 sack, yeah.

edgy arrow Nov 16, 2020, 11:12 AM

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with EM4 i feel like it’s borderline impossible

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somebody’ll prolly do it someday tho lol

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 11:13 AM

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You can speedrun 32 and probably 40, though, with the right aspects, so it's not impossible.

edgy arrow Nov 16, 2020, 11:14 AM

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probably not yeah

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 11:16 AM

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If there is 50 heat speedrun category, evidently you can speedrun 50 too

cerulean frigate Nov 16, 2020, 11:35 AM

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all weapons 50 heat speedrun when

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Whenever you do it.

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Be the change you want to see.

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I don't have a Gandhi emote, Gandalf will do

edgy arrow Nov 16, 2020, 11:41 AM

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basically the same person

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Except Gandalf is real and Ghandi isn't.

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Had to google it because I thought both were real

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 12:40 PM

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you never watched lord of the rings astaos?

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 12:44 PM

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never heard of it buddy

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 12:49 PM

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oh boy

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you're up for a good ride

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you should watch it, it's a 12 hour TV series trilogy or something

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it's really cool. I wish I can delete my memory to rewatch it

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not TV series sorry, it's a trilogy movie

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I'm so sorry dude

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It was irony all along

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Thought you were kiddin

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 1:02 PM

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.....

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blocked and reported

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 1:02 PM

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You can't do that.

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It's unblockable.

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 1:09 PM

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tbh blocking in discord is useless, it's their worst feature IMO

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 1:44 PM

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It does kill DMs so meh

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 2:40 PM

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this off topic is making me sick

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:15 PM

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FO2 HL5 EM3 Asterius is hell oh my god

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72 damage charge that’s unavoidable without hyper sprint dusa

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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what heat overall, what weapon?

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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45 Achilles

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I honestly have no clue how to dodge the charge other than praying I get Hyper Sprint

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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45 achilles monkaGIGA

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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sad

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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even at 32 I quit and moved to hades

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it feels like after you run out of cast, you're just sitting duck

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unless you get quick reload

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Been taking Stygian with Phalanx Shot lately, though RI1 AP1 has kinda made it hard for that to happen at points

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Should I just swap RI1 with DC2 actually?

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Achilles really favors non-lodging casts more

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since they re-arm faster in most cases

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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45 Achilles was easier for me than 45 Hades volfredthink

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I think we established I’m a bizzaro world player though

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I really wanna do Hunting Blades but Phalanx Shot works super well imo

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Anyhow yeah, managing Asterius charges is largely—for me—about where you are before the charge even happens

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Phalanx shot is my favorite cast build spell 🙂

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Wait you can probably cheese the charge with the spear rush

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guillian

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:37 PM

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blizzard shot

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it's so good

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:37 PM

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@rugged acorn I haven’t had a blizzard shot show up since I started using AP 😡

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The game knows I love it

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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probably not viable at high heat though because of all the auxiliary boons you need to make it happen

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I think you probably want razor shoals and killing freeze as well for maximum fun

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Oh man

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One time I had a good blizzard cast build going

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And I was trying Charon keepsake strats for elysium/Styx

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And I had a lot of money at the well before Styx so I burned a bunch of refills

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Rerolls*

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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did you get extra casts

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah! I rolled into multiple bonus casts and cast damage

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:41 PM

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hell yeah

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:41 PM

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And just murdered Styx

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:41 PM

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i saw a video with blizzard shot and then the next run i played had flood shot in it

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and then i got blizzard shot and easily defeated regular hades

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even without extra casts or cast damage, it's just so good

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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This was when I was doing my 30s heat climb so it still works in that mid hit range 🙂

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Mid heat*

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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i don't think i'm going to go past 20 heat

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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(Join us)

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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except maybe one run to get that last statue

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i'm already struggling at 10+ heat

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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If you keep it up itll click

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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but maybe i will reconsider if i get better enough by the time i get all the bounties

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I was never gonna go above 32

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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what changed for you?

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I tried forced overtime

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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oh i'm scared of that one, i haven't tried it yet

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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And once I cleared EM4 with forced overtime I couldn’t go back

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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is it like a completely different game?

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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It felt like cheating

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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EM4 Hades is still super scary for me

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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That’s because he is scary

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For everybody

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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the only way I get through is to get divine dash and even then it's iffy

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I’m honestly just more worried about TD3 for EM4 than anything

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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The other thing was before 1.0 I did win streaks at 20 heat

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And got really used to trying to win with garbage builds

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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i work hard so my weapons are never thirsty

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:47 PM

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@loud coral that’s the reason I don’t go past TD2 most of the time either

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Because the one thing that saves every crappy build is being allowed to take your time

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So it’s kind of a habit for me

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TD3 EM4 gets pretty luck dependent if you aren’t off the chain powerful

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:48 PM

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you have to 2sack

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and it's not even guaranteed after that

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(for me at least)

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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When dad starts timing you out by stealthing, lasering, and healing

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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oh my

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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After you 4 sack in Styx

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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The precious seconds while he's phasing

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Ever get to Styx with ten minutes left and lose to timer glorySuffer

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:50 PM

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oof

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Well, that’s okay, that’s roguelikes in a nutshell

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My question is what I’m gonna do to start my 50 heat grind once I’m done with 45 jorbsThink

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:52 PM

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you will

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Include RI probably, add CF, and depending on the aspect TD3, I guess

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Do you already run AP2 ?

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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No

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AP already makes me too sad

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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it's tough yeah

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for the mind and your run

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:54 PM

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“Haha what you can’t have your dio legendary have common strong drink and after party”

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“But I’m on LC4”

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“Sucks to suck”

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Thanks dad

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 4:56 PM

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STRONK DRONK

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Tartarus really is the hardest biome huh

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:58 PM

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strong drink op actually

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when it's epic and you get to find fountains kek

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Especially when you buy it in the Styx shop after finding the sack

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 4:59 PM

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ah

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rip

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Dio’s my favorite Olympian to build around but man

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He gives you some real garbage picks

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At high heat especially

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 5:01 PM

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finding strong drink in tartarus is usually candidate #1 for the fountain though

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yeah I see purple drink in Tartarus and I slam it

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:09 PM

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gotta love after party on high heat

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i think dio and demeter have to be tied for equally useless on high heat

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might have to give the nod to gma because of the sheer number of unsellable boons

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 5:11 PM

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wait what

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Dio is probably my least favourite god

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:11 PM

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but trippy flare

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 5:12 PM

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premium vintage and strong drink are fantastic

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but the others not so much

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is trippy shot good?

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:12 PM

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trippy shot is highest base damage cast

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combined with an efficient delivery mech and its pretty nice

rugged acorn Nov 16, 2020, 5:14 PM

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you mean hera bow or beowulf shield?

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:16 PM

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specifically beo. using hera bow is inefficient because you are completely losing out on one of the reasons to pick hera bow (cast exit time)

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i still think trippy shot is a decent alternative for clearing rooms and then selling in the well at the end of a region

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i think dio and demeter have to be tied for equally useless on high heat
nah nah, demeter clearly wins that by unsellable boons

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i agree

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demeter is easily the worst

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she also loves to enable absolutely useless duos

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Dio may give you steaming pile of afterparty, but you can UC with it at least

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i think the only thing good from demeter is......snow burst? rare crop if i'm forced to take her in tartarus

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Rare crop on core boons is fairly big brain strat but it doesn't seem to be worth the risk of whatever else demeter gifts

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:21 PM

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the only time rare crop is good is in tartarus....otherwise you are just throwing away a boon

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like you have to think that you are paying one boon....just to make one of your own better

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its literally -1 boon

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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outside of beowulf and hera, trippy shot is a bad choice on high heat

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things just move too fast

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a hangover build on chiron can work

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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The aoe stun is very nice on any aspect.

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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or maybe I just dont know what I'm talking about

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in fact a chiron hangover build is on part with crit for high heat I think

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Also I'm curious on the mechanics of God keepsakes in styx. I took aphro in for a meme revenge run and did not get her in shops or tunnels. Is this by design or was i correct when I f10'd it?

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Worse single-target damage, but Hangover handles JS a lot better.

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@sly remnant I think that's happened to me before, and I F10d it.

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I thought it was just me.

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:31 PM

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once I had a dio keepsake in tartarus and for all of tart I didn't see dio

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Fairly sure styx has quite high chance to just, ignore a keepsake

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I think it was something to do with not having hammers or 2 hermes boons us why it happened

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:32 PM

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chiron with ares attack and dio special for PS + curse of nausea seems good

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maybe splitting headache

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i haven't run the numbers so i don't know but i'd imagine aphro attack + dio special is better than ares attack + dio special on chiron

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:34 PM

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oh for the aphro duo?

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:34 PM

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yep

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also weak makes PS persist longer

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:35 PM

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true

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yeah I kinda forgot about that duo

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Heartbreak Strike benefits way more from Twin Shot, too.

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@rugged acorn trippy shot is amazing especially on FO because you get to perpetually stun armor less targets that might otherwise follow you around

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It also has the duos with Zeus and Demeter that are pretty sweet

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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ice wine is actually pretty terrible on beo and hera

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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True that weird delay thing :/

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But in their cases the base trippy shot is super good anyhow so you still want at least that

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:47 PM

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ice wine i like purely because it makes a blackout build ever slightly more viable

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as viable as a blackout build can be anyway

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I still love blackout builds

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I just wish you could get it off Dio dash

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Idk why it’s not a valid prerequisite

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:50 PM

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it makes no sense

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I get why, for instance hunter dash doesn’t work with a lot of duos, because it isn’t crit

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i was trying some stuff with blackout on talos because it sounds like thatd be the weapon to do it on

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and its just underwhelming without ice wine

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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And why Athena doesn’t get some duos without attack or special (because divine dash is already insane)

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But nobody likes dio dash anyway

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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i think she used to

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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At least let it enable his legendary

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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but getting merciful end off dash is kind of busted

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Right

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That said dio dash is actually really useful for dealing with a few major problem rooms in the game so I like it anyhow

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I would not build for Black Out. I'd just take it if I happen to get it.

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I wish it made the fog inflict hangover

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could be nice

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but not sure

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actually now that I think about it probably wouldn't do much

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:53 PM

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wobbles you may be the first person ive seen say they like dio dash

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im looking forward to getting blackout on a beowulf run where i take the call

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:53 PM

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dio dash is the "I hate damage control button"

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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itll probably get APed with my luck

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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^^^^

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Man I suck at 45 heat, used to be able to get to Styx now I can’t even get past Tartarus grimmreee

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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which weapon

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Tartarus is effin hard

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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~~Achilles~~

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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big surprise

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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tartarus is indeed effin hard

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Also the “Speedy Savior Skulls Killer” when you’re using a slow weapon

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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i can see dash being useful for dc hearts i suppose

ripe crane Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I've never actually gotten black out. I think it's the only thing I have left to finish the prophecy book. Not even sure what it does tbh

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I wanna run Hades but at the same time FO2 Asterius is a free death without Hyper Sprint

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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black out is very counter intuitive to get

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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you dont prefer ~~crutch~~ athena dash

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?

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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i mean it depends on the weapon right

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Divine Crutch

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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if it didn't require another core boon it would make more sense

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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@ripe crane i think blackout is +60% global dmg on enemies in fog

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but i couldnt be less sure

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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yep thats it bright

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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If I have Excalibur then I love Ares and Dio dash

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I wanna run Hades but at the same time FO2 Asterius is a free death without Hyper Sprint

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Enemies in fog that also have hangover on them

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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someone please explain to me what fog combo damage is why is the tooltip worded so weird

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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it's combo in fog

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Just have fog + hangover on an enemy then you get the 60% boost

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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wow thats worse than i could have imagined

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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oh you need to have hangover

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that is... really bad

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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😐 I like it

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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It's pretty good.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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i want to like it because its a cool concept

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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so when I had dio on special to get it

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it was doing nothing

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on beo

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great

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Not "I'll focus my build around it from the start" good, but pretty good.

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Used to be double damage but I guess it got nerfed

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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My boy Dio 😢

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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what could have possibly warranted a blackout nerf lmao

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 PM

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the same reason why they buffed eris

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Lord Dionysus is one of the gods I'm always happy to see in any build at high heat.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:58 PM

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for that a f t e r p a r t y

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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ah yes lc4 after party

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I’ll try streaming my 50 heat grind @mossy zinc

formal gust Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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with stubborn defiance

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the best

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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prem vintage has actually carried some runs so i cant complain too much about dio

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:00 PM

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If you get Dionysus' Aid, you already know DPS isn't gonna be a problem.

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And Bad Influence turns every aspect into Eris for a few seconds.

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Before they go back to being regular aspects that are not Eris.

misty hamlet Nov 16, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Lol

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It’s funny I didn’t like Bad Influence and I didn’t like Dio Dash until I had them in the same run

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:02 PM

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bad influence is hella underrated

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i used to pick up bad influence + dio aid on every weapon until i learned about dad keepsake

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I also don't know why people hate on Exclusive Access, that boon is amazing.

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Well, Sigil isn't the ideal pick at high heat if you want to live to see another day. dusa

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:04 PM

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i only hate exclusive access because it shows up when i want mirage shot

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:04 PM

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or night.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:04 PM

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yeah i def dont do sigil above 32 heat

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I only hate exclusive access because I almost never wanna get Poseidon and Dio in the same run

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Usually I want Athena, Zeus, and Artemis so becursed

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Why wouldn't you? You can get Exclusive Access if you do. dusa

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:09 PM

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its very common on beo to get exclusive access looking for something else

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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With my luck I’d probably get it in Styx as I’m about to fight Dad

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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the classic 400 obol boon

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best boon tbh

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Me and Beowulf don't talk at the moment.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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you can trade it in for half of another styx boon

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Also TIL hidden chamber previews are hell, was actually going good until I ran into a trial and missed the midshop

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:11 PM

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At the very least, Exclusive Access is a way better Side Hustle than Side Hustle.

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Hidden Chamber previews are free if you get it before the boss shop, though.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:12 PM

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because it gives you 400 obol lump sum? bouldy

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:12 PM

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In styx you’re getting an average of 30 chambers so an epic side hustle is gonna be 480

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:12 PM

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It also makes anything at least Epic for extra cash when you sell it.

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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That’s true

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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hidden chamber previews i always take if its something i want

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worst case its an early reset

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beowulf has skewed my perception of risk i think

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Chaos offered me 75 health for hidden previews once actually, I still prefer not to take it since it’s just too risky for TD3

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Beowulf has skewed my perception of Beowulf.

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Why does that thing do no damage with RI4. squirtmeh

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Well to start you’re using Beowulf dusa

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Shouldn't use Beowulf when using Beowulf

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Thought you'd know that as a veteran of Beowulf

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:17 PM

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True.

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Should be using Charged Flight.

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Aspect of Charged Flight is good. I like Aspect of Charged Flight.

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Charged Flight, Charged Flight, Charged Flight,
Die, Die, Die.

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A poem.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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very poetical

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I approve

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Thank you.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Any suggestions for starting a Hestia build? Deciding to try it out for the first time

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Yeah.

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Heartbreak or Deadly Strike.

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Divine Dash or Hunter Dash.

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The end. squirtnya

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Simple simple

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just get dps/ divine dash lol

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:42 PM

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If you take Heartbreak Strike, go for Zeus' Aid, too, and get Smoldering Air.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:42 PM

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i do like me some smoldering air

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I like Piercing Fire > Explosive Shot > Ricochet Fire in that order.

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Some people prefer Ricochet over Explosive, though.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I heard some talk about Spread fire?

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Eh.

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Spread Fire doesn't affect your Empowered Shot at all.

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Maybe people were memeing.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Okay, people do meme without dusa

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which is problematic sometimes ;)

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Yeah lol.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I beat heat 40 without dashing

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thanthink

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where's the dusa

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I guess it seems obvious to more experienced players, but newer players would think it's some good build they hadn't heard of lol.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Well, I consider myself an experienced player but

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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you mean like repulse shot rama

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I just haven't played all the aspects much

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:47 PM

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which is amazing

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 6:48 PM

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you use mkb right? priest

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I've basically played a lot of 2.5 aspects per weapon ish

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Honestly, Repulse Shot is kinda nice for getting off Power Shots.

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 6:49 PM

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would suggest rebinding reload for hestia for mkb

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:49 PM

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i think it definitely does have more value for those who are newer to rama

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:49 PM

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yah i'm kbm

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btw mkb to my dota brain

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screams monkey king bar

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so I was just like wut

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Hey, I'm not that new to Rama.

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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haha. XD

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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i may try a different binding for reload

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r is a bit weird for sure

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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i wasn't trying to imply that lol

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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but yea. i use right click reload. only on hestia

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I saw I have like half as many runs overall as you do lol.

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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maybe an unused mouse button

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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So I guess I'm new. squirtooh

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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mouse4 maybe?

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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i just mean it's not as needed once you get the spacing and timing down against various enemy types

cedar thistle Nov 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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maybe sounds good. as long as it's on the mouse should be good

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:51 PM

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thanks for the tip bouldy

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:51 PM

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so with newer players (not you nyaanyaa lol) they can get used to the power shots in a more lenient environment because of the pulse

cinder cave Nov 16, 2020, 6:51 PM

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:D I'm a newer player

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I've played rama like 3 times but

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i'm getting used to the dash striking

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it's definitely a weapon with crazy potential

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:52 PM

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"more lenient environment because of the pulse"
remembers she went for 50 on her second Rama run in 1.0
Yeah, okay. That does not apply to me.

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Just add everything to mouse buttons. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Yh5WPy9GL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 6:53 PM

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mouse keyboard

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pog

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 6:53 PM

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For the lefties. https://assets3.razerzone.com/30j4SqRj8RZjMMGpb25je5nTl1Q=/1500x1000/https%3A%2F%2Fhybrismediaprod.blob.core.windows.net%2Fsys-master-phoenix-images-container%2Fhfd%2Fh37%2F9075935117342%2FRazer-Naga-Left-Handed-Edition-Gallery3.jpg

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Pros use both mice at once.

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 6:57 PM

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ah yes, the pro gamer dual wield method

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:08 PM

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yo

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how is it even possible for yall to beat this game on crazy heat settings

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I'm trying to increase heat by 1, and I can consistently beat the game on aroud 5 heat

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but like more than that is so crazy

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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i just rebind reload to rmb on hestia

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Practice, practice, practice.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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cast means nothing

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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i seen soome guy beat the game with 45 heat

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bruh do the skulls just one shot you at that point??

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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surprisingly playing speedruns on high confidence made me better at dealing with HL5

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:10 PM

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No lol. You don't even need to take HL at all for 45 Heat.

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:10 PM

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what does HL mean?

cerulean frigate Nov 16, 2020, 7:11 PM

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see pinned messages

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:11 PM

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is that one of the modifiers

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ah

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uh i feel like CP is an interesting acronym

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to use for a video game

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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yeah i mean its unfortunate but uh

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not calling it calisthenics program every time

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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yeah lmao

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 PM

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and misinterpreting it in this channel is just willful ignorance lol

viscid kiln Nov 16, 2020, 7:13 PM

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alr well, hopefully ill see whats the towers in the courtyard are soon

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 7:14 PM

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No lol. You don't even need to take HL at all for 45 Heat.
Lemme guess, you swap HL with RI3 DC1?

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I'd rather just keep getting curbstomped by Meg, thanks

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Not RI3, no.

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You still have quite a lot of choice at 45.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:29 PM

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yeah i think i just prefer HL5 over some other options

sly remnant Nov 16, 2020, 7:47 PM

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but hl5 makes you better at the game right

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i think its better to take it

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:47 PM

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There's running for practice, and there's running to beat whatever you have in mind.

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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45 heat means 18 unheat

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EM4 RI HL fit there whole

ripe crane Nov 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Maybe that's how we should do heat from now on

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Turn on everything and decide the things we don't want

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Or if someone asks about 32 heat.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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isnt that how yall do it anyway

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i do that with everything except RI since RI stinky

ripe crane Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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No. Why would I turn on RI. That's blasphemy

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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yep lol

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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For 32, just tell them to do RI4.

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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only psychos play RI4

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cough *

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-sassy-and-what-about-it-gif-11678280

Tenor

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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as I said, we should pin a message for people asking about 32

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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"We" can't pin anything.

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Opinions for best pacts etc. for 32 vary widely.

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Depend largely on aspect, too.

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I feel like there's some accepted set of pacts that made it easy, another set that made it hard

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I don't think you need to put "RI3+ is hard" into a pin.

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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some people used RI3 on their first 32 attempt

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namely, me

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.... I guess I'm stupid

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I imagine you found out after the first attempt that it's hard. squirtnya

ripe crane Nov 16, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I wonder if Krasher is still alive

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 8:37 PM

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not first attempt... I think 5-6 or so, then I came here

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Let's craft the most difficult 32 heat

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And then recommend it to anyone who asks the infamous "32 heat setup"

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This is a perfect idea that cannot go wrong in any fathomable way

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:00 PM

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gatekeeping thanthink

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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"Strategical skill ramping" is my preferred term to refer that to

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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just RI4 EM4

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FO2

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i think thats 32

north dove Nov 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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EM4 CP2 FO2 RI4 TD3

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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HS

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you missed the easy one

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OH

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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RI4 EM4 is only 18

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I challenge people here to do 32 with that setup

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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FO2 adds up to 24

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TD3 30

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CP2 32

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Yeah now that makes sense

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:03 PM

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see in my head RI4 was 16

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goes to show you how little i take that pact

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:03 PM

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If it was 16 it would be quite a considerable pick

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but alas!

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:04 PM

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alas it is a measly 8

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:04 PM

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ok so this is what I got

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EM4, CP2, FO2, RI4, AP2, HS

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I invite the psychos of this channel to do it

north dove Nov 16, 2020, 9:05 PM

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No time limit? Doable

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:05 PM

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ah I forgot some cheese build will allow that

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:05 PM

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It really do be either AP or TD

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Maybe sacrificing all of EM will help?

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:06 PM

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you could take out the FO2/CP2 but yeah

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nah the EM is necessary to gatekeep the final boss

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:06 PM

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I mean, gatekeeping the final boss is unnecessary if you make everyone die in tartarus instead

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dusa

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:07 PM

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how about

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https://imgur.com/smxaESX

Imgur

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Eh

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Outside of EM4 this looks like a legit choice, which is not the focus

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:08 PM

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what

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I feel like nya would beat this easily

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:08 PM

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we're talking about first 32

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:08 PM

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oh yeah, I'm talking about a 32 setup that will make some people here fail

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:09 PM

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"Let's craft the most difficult 32 heat
And then recommend it to anyone who asks the infamous "32 heat setup"
This is a perfect idea that cannot go wrong in any fathomable way"
I was talking in that context

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I don't see anyone clearing EM4 FO2 on first 32

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Well, if judging in that key, why JS3 over CP2 then?

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I thought it would be harder but you're right with HL 0 you don't die in rooms

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honestly

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RI is fine here

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-RI + TD3

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:11 PM

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RI4 is no revives

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which is, well, a must have

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:11 PM

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not sure about that

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:11 PM

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sure about that, especially in context of em4

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:11 PM

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i feel like HL5 and FO2 need to be there in tandem with RI4 to make the latter as threatening as possible

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:12 PM

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LC4 with RI4 then

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I feel like my setup would do it

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maybe trade some AP with TD

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Tail you gonna try it just to spite us?

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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The problem is that 32 is too easy

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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lol probably not

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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unfortunate :/

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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i'm still focused on doing higher boonless heat when i have free time lately

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I've cleared all 32 today, time to train Hades

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what is the minimum heat needed for that powerful aspect ?

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Surprisingly enough, trying to hard spoil 32 didn't work

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i'm impressed ngl

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Hades training could start at 45 for sure

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:16 PM

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never played it really shadeembarassed

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Well, 40 then maybe

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:16 PM

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you could do some 32s if you're particularly fresh with it

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then move to 40ish

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I'll do it yeah

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34, because why not

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:17 PM

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very niche heat range, above 32 but below 40

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:18 PM

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that's funny, first hammer is charged skewer

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what would that never happen with GY before

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:18 PM

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you did 32 with all aspect astaos?

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:18 PM

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no just all weapons

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:18 PM

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cool cool

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I want to do 40 all weapons next

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but looking at spear 40... yeah

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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well Hades should be ok once I got some training

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Achilles is cast

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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it's the serrated point requirements that made it annoying

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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achilles cast build is also fine on 40 byeah

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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okay . about achilles .

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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and Zag, idk

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I feel like I said this before, but I find that build dropping of super hard on bosses

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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the real questions of sanity are gy and zag spears

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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if you throw 3 cast and enemy didn't die, you struggle

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I know you use zeus

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I used that

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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non-lodging casts tho

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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GY is ok if you only play that aspect

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I was running 20 something heat and it still feel unenjoyable

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well, maybe I'll do all other 40 first then I'll come here and ask

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Zeus cast is like, speedrunners' jam

rain sedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I think with serrated point hades 40 shouldn't be that bad

trim sigil Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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It won't be, yeah

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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having to use spin is quite strange for me

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:21 PM

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yeah, serrated honestly works fine aside from 45+ EM4 where it becomes very difficult unless you have like, epic greatest reflex or something

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:27 PM

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getting hit a lot lol

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:29 PM

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keep in mind that the spin dash has iframes, and you always want to be spinning in a direction with a purpose like away from an attack or into a group of enemies etc.

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:30 PM

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oh i did not know

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thank you !

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:31 PM

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@daring hedge do you usually charge spin during dad's invuln to i frame when he attacks out of it or is that unreliable

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i don't do it in that particular instance because it's a little dangerous and weird to time, but i do sometimes do it in time with dad's own spins

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or asterius leaps, etc

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:32 PM

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gotcha

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asterius shockwave sometimes messes me up with spins

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all spears still feel a little unnatural to me but theyre fun to play at least

daring hedge Nov 16, 2020, 9:33 PM

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yeah, weaving spins into normal spear gameplay just takes repeated use and practice

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after a while it becomes second nature and you basically do it on autopilot in normal encounters

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 9:34 PM

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honestly i'd pay for an infinite survival room to just practice

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but i guess i could always just do runs

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Just tell people to do RI3+ TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 and whatever else with Beowulf.

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RI4 actually.

gaunt fiber Nov 16, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Td3 killed me, so close GWvertiPeepoSadMan

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greedy athena trial I guess

north dove Nov 16, 2020, 10:30 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/778024075465326612/unknown.png tried a 54 heat run and oh boy is it a massive jump from 50

loud coral Nov 16, 2020, 10:32 PM

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4 boons cursedface

north dove Nov 16, 2020, 10:32 PM

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That's RI2 for ya

honest kernel Nov 16, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Wait you managed to get 4 boons in Asphodel

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Tell me your secrets

mossy zinc Nov 16, 2020, 10:49 PM

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The key is taking Drunken Dash.

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Clearly.

true fable Nov 16, 2020, 11:42 PM

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an s-tier dash apparently

willow fjord Nov 17, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I've found comboing Doom and Hangover on your attack and special lets you breeze through the escapes

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I made it through heat 9 with almost no problem

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10 is starting to give me some 😅

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:43 AM

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40 heat with fist is kinda yikes

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starting to feel talos is the way to go for the gap closing ability

ocean ether Nov 17, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I just wish it staggered the foes

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Q: if I cast on foes with DC, does it get stuck there?

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Yes

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Also 40 heat with fists wasn’t too bad imo

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:50 AM

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what build did you do it on?

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Here I can grab it

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/775887694550138940/unknown.png

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:54 AM

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how can you link pics here o.O

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whoa that's a weird build

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Posted in in #h1-victory-boasting a while back so I just copied the media link

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Yeah it was probably mostly luck but I had a good time with it

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:55 AM

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thanks, I might give it a try

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I imagine on bosses it's really good

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 12:56 AM

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It is, Deadly Flourish with Explosive Upper was destroying bosses and big enemies

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 12:59 AM

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I'm on achilles 40 with phalanx shot on tararus now

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this could be fun

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 1:02 AM

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BeThumb

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Get Zeus and an extra bloodstone for maximum fun

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I already have chaos bloodstone

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and I have mirage shot now

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I have no excuses left

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aiming for arty legendary next

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ok I died to the falling rock

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with FO2 I have no window to actually hit him

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that's crazy

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like I literally could not hit the enemy

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no matter what I tried

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without eating the shockwave

loud coral Nov 17, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Had a run with 3 bloodstones and an epic Phalanx Shot and I still died to Meg

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We all have those moments

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:05 AM

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I mean on my case there's literally nothing I could do

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he drops --> I dodge out then in --> he flies while I cast because phalanx shot is slow

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like wtf

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I spent 10 cycles like that, that's so bad

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Meg is tough

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 1:07 AM

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40 with fists is fine

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just do the eris but fists build

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I did that yeah

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I still can't believe that stone

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literally nothing I couldve done

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what .

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:08 AM

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stone ?

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:08 AM

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skull-crusher from codex

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the minibos with the megagorgon

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:09 AM

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that one is hard if u dont have dashes lol

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and u hv no time to attack

ocean ether Nov 17, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Those two are a nightmare with Middle Management and Forced Overtime on.

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:09 AM

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not about dashes, it's about phalanx shot being too slow to hit it before it flies

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:09 AM

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well

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lol

ocean ether Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Best to Meg 'em

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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already did

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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if u tank the dmg u can hit him but if u dodge the dash u dont hv much time left

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rip

ocean ether Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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But yeah I feel you

unreal pasture Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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You should pop a meg, yeah

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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barge of death is much easier

ocean ether Nov 17, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Definitely

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:11 AM

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meg doesnt autokill it, it has armor

unreal pasture Nov 17, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Eh... Barge with big soul stone is annoying, because you have to Meg that as well

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Sure, but you can start hit stunning once its armor is off

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:11 AM

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soul stone can be attacked more easily than that stone guy

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:12 AM

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cant believe I lost a perfect spear run like that. I'm so salty actually

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:12 AM

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start => give up

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do the exact same things

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there you go, another chance

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maybe

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:13 AM

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its a new seed lol

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:13 AM

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shadesmile

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:14 AM

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IIRC the room rewards change, right?

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:15 AM

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while giving up ?

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:15 AM

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they stay the same but converge at some point

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i think

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:16 AM

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like if I choose the exact same room and boons, I'm pretty sure it'll be different after the first room

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:16 AM

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hm

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not really

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I managed to get a legendary boons several times in a row

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but it's seed manipulation

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and if you don't do the exact same things it will change

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I was able to maintain it for 3-4 rooms

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:17 AM

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hmm

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:17 AM

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And sometimes you create alternate paths

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that can be repeated too

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that's very interesting

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 1:18 AM

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yea

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a little frustrating to keep restarting so i get a new seed after a while

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:18 AM

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but I takes a looot of work if you want to route your entire run

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Usually I don't give up

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but sometimes I try things

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:22 AM

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I guess that's kinda against my principles

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I used it to practice tartarus with/without hammer/boons

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:23 AM

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but I takes a looot of work if you want to route your entire run
So are you just giving up regularly

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so you can figure out exactly what how to route things?

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Nah

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Or are you using mods to help achieve routing

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don't really understand what routing entails

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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I'm not using mods and I don't understand routing either

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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say you want to route your entire run

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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but today I got fully loaded room 4 or so

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So I gave up and try to get it again and again

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and it worked

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:25 AM

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like if I choose the exact same room and boons, I'm pretty sure it'll be different after the first room
@rain sedge I'm pretty sure Hades uses a similar system to Slay the Spire, where the run has an entire run "seed" which basically is an Pseudorandomly generated number

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This seed is then processed and referenced after each decision, so each human decision made interacts with the seed

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that's what I think i've noticed from the runs i've given up anyway

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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even stupid decisions like casting 3 times before entering a room

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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ahhh

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now it makes more sense

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because if it's only "decisions" as in choosing boons etc an entire run can be routed easliy

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:26 AM

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but like

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routing 60+ chambers

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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but if we're saying things like attacking/casting affect it, it makes sense

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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sounds like a LOT

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Yeah the path is not the only things

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yeah, attacking, casting, breaking pots

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I don't do anything of the sort

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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do those things also affect the seed interactions?

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wow

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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it does yeah

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I shouldn't be surprised that people know this I guess

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xd

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these roguelites have to procedurally randomise someway somehow

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which means they're exploitable at their core

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:28 AM

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yeah it's not "random" right

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:28 AM

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being non true random

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:28 AM

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because it does not exist

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:28 AM

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well

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not quite true

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computers can do true random but

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it tends to be many factors more resource intensive

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for very little relative gain

rain sedge Nov 17, 2020, 1:29 AM

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I smell a quantum physics conversation coming in

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:29 AM

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you could use a rig 20x the processing power

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:29 AM

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I mean in our case

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 1:29 AM

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to achieve the same sort of "randomness" we'd desire and say woohoo it's true random

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but why

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or, a computer could also measure things in its environment

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and use its statistical randomness as a foundation for its seed

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but like, that's kinda a weird solution. you'd have to make sure the computer's environment doesn't have undue outside influences on it

gaunt fiber Nov 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Absolutely.

unreal pasture Nov 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I smell a quantum physics conversation coming in
@rain sedge Superdeterminism is true 😏 and randomness cannot and never will exist

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Wonder if I should try high heat Chiron

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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yes

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chiron nice single target dmg

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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The aphro and Dio duo

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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aphro/arte duo

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I wanna try Dio

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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it still works i guess

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Wonder if I can get away with td3 on 40 heat

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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u can yea

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if u get lucky with styx i think

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:52 AM

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died in elysium

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that butterfly ball is hard in MM

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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butterfly is quite easy with chiron since ur ranged

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if ur build is set up

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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yeah I just let everything pile up

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:25 AM

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a minor update on trying to clear 32 heat with all aspects

I finished doing swords today
I died a lot trying to beat a run with zag sword, but I eventually got a successful one with artemis attack + aphro special + heart rend
poseidon I died once or twice but then got a good crystal beam run where all I had to do was run around in circles while repeatedly dropping turrets

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I also started on doing 32 heat with spears
guan yu took one or two tries, the HP penalty sucks a lot because you can't make many mistakes, but luckily you can just run away from enemies and spam special

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I had aphro special + dio call + smoldering air

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took a zeus erebus gate in tartarus specifically to try and pick up smoldering air later on

heady olive Nov 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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yea smouldering air is an instant win if u get a good call

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I dont know what to do with achilles or zag spear tbh

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with achilles I guess I'm going to try and start artemis attack and poke enemies

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and try and transition it into a cast build later on if possible

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but with zag spear uhhhh

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maybe I just do a bunch of runs until I high roll exploding launcher >.>

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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With Achilles you should

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c a s t

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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yeah I know

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but I'm thinking I start artemis attack

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so I have good early damage

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and its a prerequisite for all of the cast duo boons that artemis unlocks anyways

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Zeus cast is the best early damage

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squirtnya

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 AM

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but im much more comfortable poking people with attacks

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its what I did with poseidon at least

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artemis attack -> demeter cast -> crystal clarity

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Crystal meme

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 AM

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it was actually pretty good at 32 heat

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I had the crystals inflict chill boon as well

formal gust Nov 17, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I hy would you do that with poseidon

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 3:31 AM

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and an extra cast stone from chaos

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so I would just run around dropping turrets nonstop

ripe crane Nov 17, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I'm not sure what else to do in this game

cinder cave Nov 17, 2020, 4:55 AM

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fresh save speedrunning

twilit orbit Nov 17, 2020, 5:00 AM

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try to clear high heat with every aspect like me!

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though your definition of high heat will probably be higher than mine

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i dont think im good enough to do much more than 32 with something like zag sword lol

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 7:46 AM

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RI4 32 with Chaos and got him down to phase 2 part 2 before I timed out. 2-sack instead of 3-sack would have done it.

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At least I'm not timing out asap like with Beowulf.

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 8:50 AM

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What combo of pacts would you suggest for a total of 32 skulls to do with the bow weapon?

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Have you watched Haelian's guide on YT?

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Nop

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Is it just about that?

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 8:55 AM

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It's what i'd recommend to watch first

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGl1vVnFPsw

YouTube

Haelian

Hades Full Heat Guide [0 to 32 Heat] | Haelian

00:00 Intro
01:06 Pact Overview
02:37 First Pacts
06:15 8 Heat
07:40 16 Heat
09:33 32 Heat
15:07 Build Recommendations
20:41 Outro

Come visit us LIVE on twitch http://www.dampdad.com/

Join our discord community for the best memes about twins. https://discord.gg/j7Fa2Mv

htt...

▶ Play video

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Interesting but not my style

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I like classic bow and definetly no time limit it ruins the experience for me

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Definitely possible

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:02 AM

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I also dont have problem with traps but quicker attack speed on enemies ruins the timer in my unconscious

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If that make sense

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:02 AM

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But with more experience people tend to play faster which turns Time limit into free Heat

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Quicker Attack speed needs getting used to

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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TD2 is 28 minutes for the whole. TD1 is 36 minutes for the whole run.

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What are your clear times usually?

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:06 AM

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I am like 30 min for 16-20 skulls

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30-35

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But i just dont like it tbh

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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TD1 should be fine then. That's 1 Heat right there that you don't have to put into something else.

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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I recognise it might be free skulls but still

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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And you can play at your normal pace.

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:09 AM

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There's many things that can be just not taken at 32 Heat. But while it might make it a nicer experience it won't be easier

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:09 AM

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That small timer down there is just stressing me

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I also like to take the butterfly keepshake so having my time is precious

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:10 AM

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How comfortable are you with LC4 and Stubborn Defiance?

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Lc4?

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Lasting Consequences.

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Pact initialisms are all pinned here.

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LC4 = Last Consequences at rank 4 = no healing

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SD can circumvent that, however, and if you take up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena after losing your SD in that chamber, she will give you a DD for free, and your SD will replenish like normal when you exit the chamber.

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So you can pick up potentially two DDs + your SD in a run.

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If you plan to no-hit most chambers for Pierced Butterfly, LC4 should be fine, anyway.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Sorry to bump in the conversation like that, but I want to know about potential Achilles Spear builds

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Cast related or not

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/4jm56Jp

Imgur

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You could try something like this.

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Ok thats sounds interesting haven't thought that cheat before

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And i thought dd from boons was useless with that perk

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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It's not really a cheat since they know about it (from us) and decided not to patch it. Bug turned feature. squirtnya

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Thats great. I can also do full JS and perhaps +1 on routine inspection

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It not follows the game logic though

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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RI1 is a terrible idea. You'll lose Dark Foresight and 4 Persuasion rerolls.

cedar thistle Nov 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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without RI1, you'll rely alot on rng.. and rng seldom work in your favor

fringe sundial Nov 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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You have to rely a little bit more on luck indeed

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:23 AM

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We used to take RI1 or RI2 very commonly at 40+ Heat before 1.0 when Dark Foresight didn't work anyway.

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Since they fixed (and buffed) Dark Foresight, practically no one in high heat uses RI anymore until like 50+.

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Because it's just that good.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Unless you are a madman lmao

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But yeah RI1 is not usually worth the 2 heat anymore due to that

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:25 AM

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2 Heat. But yeah lol.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:26 AM

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I thought I wrote 2 lol

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Kinda just woke up

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:26 AM

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You definitely did. I see it.

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:27 AM

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btw in the case where you aren't forcing a god in Asphodel, i think Skelly is better than Acorn. What do you guys think?

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Do you run Hard Labor and/or Forced Overtime ? The more you put into those, the more the Accorn becomes more valuable than the Tooth

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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full

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Because higher damage values/dodging bosses becomes harder

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Not taking any damage vs Lernie also means you go into Elysium with more HP.

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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but lernie Headslams for 32*5 is 160 if you only get slammed

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and skelly gives good HP levels

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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With FO2, and against a rammer, tou can and will get hit

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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160 is more than 100. And Lucky Tooth is the last DD that is used after any DDs you pick up from Lady Athena.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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And, more importantly, it let’s you keep your current death defiances

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If it isn’t the last boss

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Preserving permanent DDs > Lucky Tooth.

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Yeah.

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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ah i guess i didn't get any DDs for a while now so..

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Could always do Accorn in Elysium and Tooth in Styx

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Lucky Tooth in the Temple of Styx? Just keep Acorn on. thanthink

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:31 AM

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And honestly, I might consider that with EM4 adds

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Butterfly and sneaks taking charges away is no fun

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I think Broken Spearpoint is a more reasonable alternative to Acorn than Lucky Tooth.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Fair enough

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Actually haven’t used that one in a long while

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Either I do speedruns and use the Sigil, or keep the Accorn from Elysium for high heat stuff

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Same.

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But I like Bracer or Lambent Plume on Excalibur or Zag Fists.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:34 AM

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I wonder if there is ANY case where you can still use the Sigil in high heat

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Îm talking 50+

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:35 AM

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50 Heat speedruns.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Not doing that with RI2 that’s for sure LOL

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:36 AM

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I think if you get Smoldering Air and sell your Call, Sigil would be very strong.

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:36 AM

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It does stop Asterius Charge and it's a call to have

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Asterius charge is not what I worry about him

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Yeah same.

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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im doing sigil for 32 heat speed but i dont think it's unreasonable that 50 heat speed would get there eventually

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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It’s just a stupid strong damage boost

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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just don't get hit 🙂

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Although I do get hit by it every once in a while.

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But Acorn usually just tanks that.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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asterius charge is just straight annoying

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like sometimes i'll set up a pillar directly in front of him

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and he swerves like a minivan with 2 wheels

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it's nuts

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Totally did not get rammed for 72 by Asterius in the run before my 50 heat clear

waxen relic Nov 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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It's just relaxing to hit call once he starts running and don't worry about it squirtnya

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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i think that's the best part about having to show death in these runs

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everyone gets to see how you died the run prior

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Are you dashing through Asterius or the pillar?

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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i dash through pillar, he swerves around pillar and keeps chasing lol

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Yeah, don't do that.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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I go next to a wall and pull a matador on him lmao

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That or go through him into a pillar

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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that's probably a better call

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i havent really had to think that hard about the boss fights in this game tbh

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should probably play zag spear more LOL

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Yeah, just dash through him or perpendicular to him. You'll get to try again if you mess up because he needs to actually turn.

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Much better than him zooming around a pillar if you mess up.

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And he'll tend to crash into something trying to turn.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:41 AM

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That 72 damage HURTS

mossy zinc Nov 17, 2020, 9:42 AM

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@honest kernel I feel like Deadly Strike + Flood Shot + Mirage Shot would be very strong at high heat.

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For Achilles Aspect.

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Assuming no RI? I could see it

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:42 AM

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curse of drowning dusa

honest kernel Nov 17, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Lmao

true fable Nov 17, 2020, 9:43 AM

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but yeah that mirage setup seems nice

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good aoe