My DDs, my health, my money, my dashes, my privileged status 😦
#h1-high-heat-strategies
misty hamlet
I got more used to losing dark foresight because at least you see more keys to generate fates authority rolls lol
Mirror less is ouch, best of luck
45 with every aspect is my journey for now
mossy zinc
Which are left?
Are you submitting them all to the "leaderboard"?
If you swap to Persuasion before turning on RI, they'll be Persuasion rerolls.
misty hamlet
Yeah! I thought that was cool
Also thanks for reminding me it’s called persuasion for the boon reroll o keep forgetting
trim sigil
Td3 Arthur :0
tbh as long as it's DC0 it's fairly simple
excalibur has loads of damage and aoe
rain sedge
it's the RI4
mossy zinc
It wasn't bad at all, actually. DPS wasn't an issue at all.
dry flame
DPS usually isn't an issue with Arthur I normally just run out of time if I don't get the right boons
mossy zinc
I'm not following. It's not an issue, but you run out of time because . . .?
dry flame
poorly worded lol
dry flame
but I guess it's just cuz I tend to play safer with Arthur so clearing is slow
honest kernel
Ran out of time
Because of 3 sack
Like WHYYYY
A 2 sack and I was good
Also, trying out Artemis special
And it's actually worked out better than Zeus special
mossy zinc
What aspect is that?
dry flame
try RI4
honest kernel
lmao
ripe crane
If it makes you feel any better, you were gonna die to a pot anyway
cinder cave
Maybe they should add a consumable in Styx wells
so you can buy an earlier sack for 200 gold
cinder cave
then he gets really mad at you next time you pet him back home
cinder cave
just deaggro him and it'll be fine
twilit orbit
@honest kernel I've kind of wondered whether a % scaling boon might actually be good on blitz disc
it has a lot of base damage
like quickly throwing it out and recalling it does like 200 base damage to most enemies
i think finding a call for extra dps is really valuable with the aspect as well, if you had managed to get one in your 50 heat run you might have beaten hades
honest kernel
No time to cast really when I am up on Hades spamming attacks
mossy zinc
Getting a Call at 50+ is just RNG.
Especially with RI.
If you can get the core that you want for your build, that's already good enough. A lot of the time your build ends up nothing like you'd planned lol.
twilit orbit
i think call on zeus aspect feels almost core
like you probably want a special boon, divine dash, and then a good call
a reasonable attack boon is nice as well
mossy zinc
Attack and Special are more important.
Divine Dash also if you're lucky.
Then a fourth boon is just whatever you happen to get. You can't really expect to get all that much more than that.
mossy zinc
Heart Rend.
rain sedge
thanks nya
dire steppe
sigh why does going from 27 to 32 literally mean i have to make the game 2x harder (HL0->HL5)
loud coral
What's your full pact loadout? You can probably move HL into some other conditions
ripe crane
You can do it without HL
FO2, EM4, RI2, AP2, TD3, HS... hmmm..... Guess that's only 31. Gotta put one in HL I guess.
Actually that's too mean to even joke about. Bad setup, plz ignore
loud coral
"Guys I'm running HL5 RI4 AP2 EM4 CP2 why is this so hard"
cinder cave
phase 3 em4 is no joke
honest kernel
That or the timer gets me
ripe crane
That's the EM4 life unfortunately, and likely why tail refused to use EM4 for so long
honest kernel
Pushing Zeus aspect of shield is HARD
ripe crane
Better to fail early
cinder cave
sometimes i wonder
if just playing ultra def
with TD off
is actually the legit way to farm the heat record
xD
honest kernel
I honestly could try to get 50 heat with TD2
We'll see, I'm stopping for now
Artemis special on Zeus shield seemed to be the most efficient
Over Zeus special
dire steppe
@ripe crane here was my 27 heat setup, for 32 it was that plus HL5 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/776352312884723752/unknown.png
first try clear on 27 lol
ripe crane
I mean that's what retrash does, plays on TD2. Certainly works for him
honest kernel
I was so close on many attempts
dire steppe
even td2 is stressful i went like 15 seconds over TD2 on elysium lol
honest kernel
There' ssomething in my play I could do better
ripe crane
Have you tried FO @dire steppe ?
dire steppe
i have not
ripe crane
One level of it isn't too bad
ripe crane
I say give that a shot before completely maxing HL
dire steppe
oh i know ill just turn on RI3 
also how to get rama special to hit someone exactly twice
need shared suffering + fiery presence to clear rooms lul
ripe crane
I would never actually have RI on for 32 tbh
ripe crane
It's bad
dire steppe
ive only cleared the game once without dark foresight
dire steppe
maybe i should do HL5 TD0 stubborn roots
and then i can put on like cp3 or whatever with no issue
ripe crane
You can turn on AP1 and FO1 if you want to avoid most of HL
dire steppe
catch me with my 80 minute clear 😂
although ik people here will just be like turn on hl5 and dont get hit
ripe crane
FO1 makes enemies spawn faster. TD2 will actually be easier if you turn it on
AP1 is annoying but not bad
loud coral
Here I can get what I use for 32
This is usually what gets me a win but you can of course alter stuff here and there
ripe crane
You can also turn down the JS and EM if you turn TD/FO up, might be easier
twilit orbit
this was my mirror for my last 32 clear
but it looks like you're going to need to turn TD down and make up the heat elsewhere
you can also move heightened security to something else
i dunno why I left that on
dire steppe
heightened security means you have to take sure footing lol
twilit orbit
i feel like im comfortable enough with traps that I dont get hit too often anymore
but its still not something I would recommend taking
dire steppe
hs is fun if you take stygian shard too
twilit orbit
because even when you're experienced you will still run into traps occasionally
honest kernel
the end boss's jars count as a trap
mossy zinc
@twilit orbit this was my mirror for my last 32 clear https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420360928624660/Hades_1145.png?width=831&height=467
I'm just gonna post that the next time somebody asks for mirror setups for 32. 
twilit orbit
hmm
mossy zinc
Just did this one, actually. We had plenty of fireworks on stream. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776512601953796127/Hades_1146.png?width=831&height=467
🎆
honest kernel
That heroic hyper sprint tho
mossy zinc
lol LC4 RI4. I still want to do that sometime, yeah.
loud coral
Guan Yu tank build when
mossy zinc
That's just Divine Strike + Quick Spin lol.
loud coral
Damn, shouldn’t have taken the anvil in Styx then I’d have a cheese machine run on my hands
twilit orbit
whats the worst 32 heat mirror
mossy zinc
No mirror.
twilit orbit
im playing around with options and it might be maybe:
JS1 EM4 CP2 RI4 AP2 TD3
thats exactly 32 heat
mossy zinc
That's pacts, though.
twilit orbit
oops
loud coral
It may be possible to have a mirror setup so frustrating that the mental pain of using it is worse than just no mirror at all
If someone ran Ruthless Reflex and tried to get more near-miss dodges but failed, that would be much worse than if they just didn’t have a mirror talent for the dash at all
twilit orbit
I do think my 32 heat setup has got to be one of the worst possible ones though
with RI and AP at max
and TD3 with EM4 and CP2
mossy zinc
Nah you can still RNG through that.
twilit orbit
I mean the other option is turning on FO and LC
but thats a lot of heat that you have to take away from other places
mossy zinc
HL5 LC4 FO2 RI4 would be hard lol.
twilit orbit
should you add TD so that people dont camp ultra hard?
you can add TD2 and still have two points left
mossy zinc
Hmmm.
CF2 UC maybe.
Can't have people getting boons and keeping them.
Although I guess for Chiron that'd be easy lol.
Kinda hard to come up with one setup that's hard for every aspect.
loud coral
JS3 BP2? Could be hellish depending on the enemies
mossy zinc
Maybe just JS3 CP2 DC2 RI4 BP2 TD3 EM3? I think that's 32.
honest kernel
So
Gonna try this setup next time I do a bunch of runs
Compared to my first attempts, AP1 was one level of CF, and CP1
Since I didn't care much for my boons anyways, and Hades was my bane, I'll see how this one goes
mossy zinc
Have you been dying to Hades or to the timer?
honest kernel
Admitetly, both
Of my 4 attempts that got to Styx, 3 died to the timer/was about to die to the timer and me rushing led to my demise
One of them, could have been a win
But I got urn'ed, and choked afterwards
We talking 2-sack, 2 Athena extra death defies, Patty levels of insane run
And I still threw that
I'm still satly about that one
twilit orbit
could maybe try TD2 CF2 JS2?
honest kernel
TD2 was the other consideration
mossy zinc
You're just trading one problem for another.
honest kernel
^
AP1 was the main one I was thinking about, since with RI2 getting a build online is like stupid hard anyways
As a side-note : Don't record stuff for 7 and a half hours
47 GB of video for that LOL
mossy zinc
lol that sounds familiar, too.
ripe crane
I just stream so twitch has to save it all and not me 🤷♀️
Then you can highlight/download successes
ripe crane
Pretty sure it's easier on your PC too
honest kernel
It should be
sly hound
okey, time to try 40 heat with eris. shouldnt be too hard, but eh
gaunt fiber
Don't forget to dash strike
sly hound
x)
misty hamlet
It will be easy, and you will triumph, and return to us a legend
oak elm
lmao
sly hound
50 heat seems way to hard to be doable by normal human beings
rain sedge
I only need to turn on EM4 and HS from my previous record
I can cheese HS with sure footing
mossy zinc
lel, start the run, hazard bomb or spreadfire
Don't take AP at 40.
rain sedge
by zeus' name those traps hurt with HS
casual instakill
flurry fire > delta chamber right?
mossy zinc
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Delta Chamber lets you turn off your brain for the rest of the run. Sounds good.
sly hound
rip
died of tight deadline
only managed to activated privileged status at the end of elysium
:c
and no additional DD
sly hound
40
rain sedge
that sounds har
sly hound
and i use stuttborn
rain sedge
oh I see what you mean
sly hound
x)
rain sedge
GL 🙂
sly hound
pog
sly hound
eris rail, lel
rain sedge
yea it's free for sure
rain sedge
I can share my eris 40 setup if you want
IMO JS is good on eris
you have more than enough cleave
sly hound
tbh, wasn't too too lucky on the free rooms, 2 story room, and 1 chaos
rain sedge
omg the lava hurts SO MUCH
sly hound
and yeah, I would like to
rain sedge
I'd die for sure
sly hound
if that doesn't bother you c:
rain sedge
the switch screenshot might bother you loll
I was still bad back then, but knowing what I know now, I'd take 1 more JS compared to 1 more HL
sly hound
HMMMMMM
rain sedge
IMO
sly hound
you have
1 more CF, 1 more JS
and 1 more CP
i use AP1, instead
rest is the same
ah no, i use HS
rain sedge
yeah I don't like AP
HS is so painful
@mossy zinc how do you deal with HS at high heat btw? I can't handle it
tidal flame
HS is so painful
Just... don't step on traps. Play far away from traps.
tidal flame
Also Divine Dash helps with that. A lot, especially with arrow deflecting
I don't like lava. But look on the bright side, lava means faster suicide for SD, save you time to fight TD taps head
tidal flame
also p sure the lava spew by the lernie head is affected by HL and not HS, fwiw
it's better to step on that than the actual lava, if you ever got stuck between a rock and a hot place
rain sedge
NOPOOOOOO I DDIE
noooo it was on third phase too
the lava 😦 😦 😦
I had splitting bolt on tartarus, that was the run :/
sly hound
welp, one last try for tonight
true fable
i think HS is much worse for KBM players than controller players
ripe crane
I don't run HS so I can just not care about traps. One less thing to take up brain processing power
true fable
eris?
rain sedge
always
true fable
AP is not bad on eris rail i feel
the only two things you might get cucked out of are attack and dash
rain sedge
it's 2 heat for so much drawback
true fable
the thing is, AP does not cripple eris as much as it does other weapons IMO
rain sedge
50 is too hard
dire steppe
the fact that there are ppl in this chat where 32 heat is braindead for them
rain sedge
I mean nya did ri4 32 with all weapons just to spite us
dire steppe
next ri4 40, don’t count the 8 heat from RI
true fable
it shouldn't
sly hound
i don't think so ?
twilit orbit
next ri4 40, don’t count the 8 heat from RI
@dire steppe tailesque already did this
dire steppe
rain sedge
alright GG 50 is too hard
gaunt fiber
Did I teach you to surrender ?
rain sedge
you taught me how to play GY so yeah
gaunt fiber
He's a cool guy
rain sedge
he's mid tier for god coolness
gaunt fiber
what do you mean ?
twilit orbit
high heat died when cursed slash zag sword cleared 51 heat
rain sedge
why I'm doing this
rain sedge
well the plan was to stop playing this game when AC valhalla came out
but... that game wasnt as engaging as I hoped :/
and for some reason the resolution looks low? So I'm ordering a new gaming PC, and that takes a while
so I'll clear 50 heat meanwhile
ripe crane
I need to grind for Achilles record with rift blades
cinder cave
they're green on a white background, don't step on it :/
@gaunt fiber xD just the phase transition got me
the pots showed up just as his beams went shooty
didn't think I was in the AOE when I was behind the pillar
rain sedge
at 50 everything become so hard
inferno bombs from chaos killed me
that never happened
hollow lynx
caustic curse will be fine- oh no, popper exalts
ripe crane
Someone needs to get a new Chiron record
Right now the best vid is 42
I'm gonna try for 47 Achilles
unreal pasture
I'd rather have Inferno Bombs than more enemies encountered, tbh
Better to lose on the spot than lose to a tight deadline
north dove
alright I legitimately don't understand how zag spear is this bad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/776639551497437204/unknown.png this build timed out on Hades
cinder cave
you covered your pact settings but
doesn't spear just generally have damage issues apart from Hades?
or GY i suppose
sly remnant
good god 6minutes not enough
ripe crane
The ability might as well not exist
loud coral
No guys you don’t understand it’s a whopping 25% damage buff
ripe crane
Apparently you can take artemis and Ares once each in Tartarus in your hunting blades run and then literally never see them again for the rest of the game
heady olive
why not keepsake them o.o
ripe crane
I just assumed one of them would show up again ever. I swear the game really tries to force you to take that 4th boon. Every god since Asphodel has been Athena or someone new
Now I'm in Styx and Charon is selling to Demeters xd
ripe crane
I think I'll just die and try that. I'm gonna time out anyway cause I have no damage.
heady olive
gl
ripe crane
Wow
It's been so long since I've actually gotten that duo that I forgot how huge of a step up in power it os
true fable
if you dont take 4 early the game rolls 1/8 for all gods
if you take four it will only roll from those 4
same with shop
unreal pasture
@loud coral I don't think that's true... because of the +range as well...
So the 25% speed is cut into due to the time it takes to return the spear
If you get exploding launcher, it is definitely a +25% damage buff
unreal pasture
"Buff"
unreal pasture
I was considering trying a run like that on the 25 HP
Just high confidence that meme
loud coral
I still haven't upgraded GY past level 1 rofl
Devs should just make the 50% health loss a flat "bonus" like Beowulf and have the life-steal scale with level instead
unreal pasture
can definitely agree with that...
cinder cave
Devs should just make the 50% health loss a flat "bonus" like Beowulf and have the life-steal scale with level instead
@loud coral I like the idea but there aren't particularly good lifesteal values that you could allow a levelling system for
if you did lifesteal= levels
5 hp per hit would be bonkers
loud coral
Just make the odds of getting Charged Skewer increase with each level
unreal pasture
Honestly... I think that'd be fine if it gets bonked by LC... but 🤷♂️
loud coral
Or maybe the spin hit rate, it's the main gimmick of the spear so letting you upgrade how many times it hits could work
dire steppe
does anyone really use the spin attack on GY
loud coral
Well if you have Quick Spin, Massive Spin, Divine Strike, and Brilliant Riposte then it's actually usable
cinder cave
I try to use it to top up on ez rooms but
not as my primary damage
I did have a useable divine strike massive spin last run but
charged skewer deadly reversal deadly flourish was my primary damage
i definitely quite like the ability to top up off of low threat rooms/enemies
like the respawning souls in elysium
trim sigil
I'd really prefer if spin lifesteal was, say, 2% of dealt damage. So you naturally "scale" it by getting more damage. Or, rather, keep the value consistent unlike current when getting more damage means less heal
cinder cave
but would that be subject to LC?
trim sigil
Probably not, because it never has been, and the system didn't ultimately change
That's still a weapon that grants fixed lifesteal
Well, if we want to dig really deep, is Draining Cutter affected?
trim sigil
Hmm.
Then it's an interesting topic
My assumption is that %hp heals have to be affected
dire steppe
i think draining cutter is explicitly healing and the other 2 are life steal
trim sigil
or that, yea
dire steppe
cuz draining cutter only goes off when you kill with special
cinder cave
I still feel like it'd be busted if it scaled off attack damage directly]
even if you made the base heal reasonable off no boon attack at 1 hp/0.5s tick
if you had crit with some boons
you'd be looking at at least 5x the base
You could make LC affect it sure but, I would imagine spin GY would allow you to be quite aggressive at low heat
which wasn't the intended design
If you want a scaling lifesteal effect, you're better off giving more max hp (like Arthur) in conjunction with more damage received (like Beowulf)
trim sigil
The very possibility to heal is really busted on low heats when you are not burdened by timer and harsh enemies
It's a problem with no real salvation
true fable
youre absurd
cedar thistle
zag spear 😮
north dove
That's nutty
true fable
just waiting for a deadly reversal that never came 😭
loud coral
Why do I keep thinking Zag Spear's bonus is +125% instead of +25%
true fable
we didnt need deady reversal anyway😤
loud coral
I still feel hollow that Zag Spear is a thing
true fable
its so dumbly underwhelming
loud coral
Like at least give us a side quest to be able to further upgrade Zag Aspects
daring hedge
we didnt need deady reversal anyway😤
@true fable i was hoping so hard for this
so many chances for it to show up 
true fable
i can tell LOL
loud coral
I can literally imagine your exact reaction on every Athena/Artemis boon without DR
true fable
who needs duos when you get 3 chaos
loud coral
Oh wait I didn't even notice it was 50 heat LUL
true fable
zag spear so RI2 is better than EM4 LOL
daring hedge
wasted my extra athena DD like last second against champs, styx athena offered me:
holy shield and bronze skin
thanks
loud coral
honest kernel
That's way too familiar
loud coral
Who sees Bronze Skin and thinks "YOOOOOO"
loud coral
I mean if you dedicate poms to it the whole run then it can negate a whopping 1 rank of HL
north dove
Love to pom bronze skin and get 0.4 % resist
loud coral
10% isn't a lot anyways, at least Sure Footing makes HS free heat
honest kernel
If it's at common rarity, urns still hurt for 60
Not exactly free, not with RI anyways
At Epic, it goes down to 15, which is much more manageable
loud coral
Is Tail's loadout above the most optimal pact for 50 heat? Seems like I'm gonna have a ton of practice to do then
daring hedge
i don't think there really is an optimal pact for 50, exactly
honest kernel
^
honest kernel
At that level, you are basically choosing the worst problem to avoid
From a select few
Time ? EM4 ? Mirrorless ?
AP1-2 ?
daring hedge
yeah, like i could either have 4 heat come from EM4 or RI2, then 3 heat come from TD3 or AP2, etc.
it depends on preference and aspect
edgy arrow
surely AP2 is worse than any of those other options
daring hedge
it can sometimes be not quite as bad, like if you take EM4 instead of RI2, so your sheer frequency of boons can help to balance out poor selection
loud coral
I'll probably go RI2 TD3 then, AP2 just sounds too bad to consider until you start pushing the limits
daring hedge
with dark foresight
honest kernel
That moment when I run both EM4 and RI2 lmao
edgy arrow
i guess
daring hedge
it's what i have to do constantly on my 57/58 attempts lol
edgy arrow
honesty i can barely handle AP1 lol
daring hedge
the difference between AP1 and AP2 for hammers in particular is massive
edgy arrow
for some reason i can deal just fine with being curb stomped by EM4 or whatever repeatedly, but losing a good boon to AP triggers me
oof yeah rip hammers
loud coral
AP cost me Divine Protection on a Glassiest Cannon GY run, usually AP isn't the worst but moments like those just tilt you really bad
daring hedge
yeah, AP1 isn't all that bad except for key moments where it decides to be the worst
like of course you would cross out divine dash
edgy arrow
my last 45 attempt i lost because AP struck out a tartarus divine dash
never saw athena again
honest kernel
And this is why we use Athena keepsake in Asphodel lmao
edgy arrow
me in asphodel: “should i force athena? eh, prolly not necessary”
daring hedge
i kinda wish they just didn't show you the crossed out option
it upsets me so bad sometimes seeing what i was going to get
loud coral
They had to have had a meeting where Amir said "No, if we just show the boons they're missing out on it'll tilt them and make them lose the run in rage, it's perfect"
daring hedge
i legitimately think they're shown for a reason like that
roguelites are sort of supposed to be a rollercoaster sometimes
i feel like they wanted to grant frustration with AP a little bit
north dove
The worst part about AP is when you reroll a boon into the exact same boon
daring hedge
ugh, yeah
honest kernel
RI be like : what rolls ?
edgy arrow
you still get keys
edgy arrow
fair
honest kernel
Since loosing key boons is unforgiving
loud coral
Honestly RI2 doesn't seem as bad, before I was super wary of it because I'd lose out on Thick Skin but ever since I practiced more with GY I've gotten a lot better at not getting hit
If anything RI1 is what seems so hellish now
honest kernel
^ pretty much
I'd argue losing the gold is also somewhat impactful
Especially with CF
edgy arrow
tbh i think the worst part is tartarus chaos gates
honest kernel
With Stubborn Defiance it's not nearly as bad
edgy arrow
with LC4 and RI2, you’re sitting on 30% of 50 health
that’s not enough to enter a chaos gate
honest kernel
I can usually keep my health high enough by the time a chaos gate arrives. You are also likely to see one in the first room as well
edgy arrow
you can usually take the first one, but if i get lucky and see a second one i can rarely get in
trim sigil
Clearly, take fated authority to get heart early
honest kernel
Also, the moment you get a centaur heart, it's easier
trim sigil
Best part of ap2 is that it makes the dream run I had in mind a total of .3% chance to occur on unseeded run
h
trim sigil
No
honest kernel
Let me meme dammit
loud coral
Any chance is 100% chance if you're lucky enough
trim sigil
Indeed.
Being lucky enough hadn't been the strongest side of most human beings so far
ripe crane
I got the perfect Hestia setup on my second attempt at 51 with AP2. You're basically guaranteed success
honest kernel
Now that is pog
ripe crane
Just turn it on, you probably won't even notice tbh
honest kernel
For real tho, gonna try out a few more attempts myself, with AP1
Zeus shield, Artemis special start (Ideally, can still go attack)
You can go for Dio attack if you get special (Splitting Headache), Athena (Death Defiances, Dash/Attack/Special, Deadly Reversal), Aphrodite (Dash/Attack/Special, Heart Rend), Zeus special if you go for attack (Hope to get a call, then get a few boons to boost your call gain/Billowing Strength)
daring hedge
oh good luck, i was trying deadly flourish too
honest kernel
Ares and Demeter are whatever/not who you want
loud coral
Is Artemis on special viable? Always ran Zeus or Athena tbh
daring hedge
it feels good but TD3 still is a struggle
honest kernel
It absolutely is
In fact, my best attempts were with Artemis Special
If you run RI, artemis special might work better
loud coral
Man the one shield aspect I like and I'm not even using it right
daring hedge
yeah, 20% crit chance for every single special tick is no joke
honest kernel
Zeus special is still pretty strong
daring hedge
it adds up fast
honest kernel
But you get a fat multiplier on top of crits
AND, as I stated earlier, it opens up builds for most gods
Oh, yeah, didn't mention Poseidon. Like Ares/Demeter, don't want to see them
In fact, for these 3 gods, you might want their cast
Poseidon for Flood Shot into Breaking Wave (maybe the duo ? Might not be worth going for unless you sell it), Ares and Demeter have strong duos
loud coral
Poseidon Special and Demeter attack 
loud coral
I ran it once and that was because I was saving my rerolls for UC
loud coral
Poseidon on Zeus might have some use for keeping enemies at bay but it's just better to do it on the attack then
honest kernel
The problem is : Zeus aspect doesn't want enemies away
You want 'em close to shred 'em
Otherwise, say bye-bye to your time
daring hedge
yeah lol
the hopping bloodless (especially speeder BP) in asphodel are awful with zeus aspect
loud coral
Yeah Pulverizing Blow is an insta-pick on Zeus just for the lack of knockback
honest kernel
^ Been picking it up more lately
It's been great
Still want to prioritize Empowering Flight in most cases
But yeah
daring hedge
i think i prefer pulverizing over empowering lately. just feels way more consistent and actually opens up a hybrid build versus foes that get knocked around easily
honest kernel
For rooms it's likely better
For bosses, I don't want to be slowed down by spamming attacks
And go for dash-attacks alongside regular attacks
With CP out of the question for my setup, this might change
Either way, Zeus shield doesn't seem to have non-impactful hammers, really
ripe crane
Are you trying to get aphro attack for heart rend?
honest kernel
It's one of the builds I can go towards, yeah
loud coral
Actually Heart Rend builds sound super good with Zeus shield
Assuming AP doesn't mess it all up
honest kernel
By starting Artemis special
Worst case scenario, you just go Athena in Asphodel, can get a dash or attack, and still get death defiances
And still be somewhat open for Deadly Reversal
Hell, even if you are stuck with Artemis Attack, Athena special is dope still
loud coral
Are you usually supposed to take a god for your build over Athena in Tartarus? I feel like it's just too risky when you're so weak at first
ripe crane
Typically yes
honest kernel
If you don't get your damage core boons right away, the timer gets you
Granted, Athena damage is fine
But usually, getting towards your duos is better
And Asphodel Athena is more then fine
ripe crane
Her dash also shreds DC, numbskulls and other smaller/weak mobs. It can actually make for a pretty quick Tartarus
honest kernel
^
That's the consideration
Going Athena special also opens you up to Merciful End
ripe crane
I like starting her when deadly reversal is something I want
honest kernel
Funny enough, Artemis special also opens up Deadly Reversal
If you go Athena next
Depends on whether you want the death defies or the damage earlier
ripe crane
Yes. I like starting Athena though because you need attack and dash to make it really work, and this gives more opportunity for it
loud coral
I run Phalanx cast builds so I guess I gotta take Athena anyway, though taking the core boons seems better for the timer yeah
honest kernel
Athena special is one I have to mess around with
Altho at this point you could just go for a Merciful End build
loud coral
Tried Merciful End on Zeus once, it's good if you get Pulverizing Blow but it can be a bit boring at times
honest kernel
^ main reason I haven't tried it out yet
Or at 'least, for 50 heat
Not to mention you rely on the duo to get anywhere
which, with RI2, is a no go for me
loud coral
Yeah if you don't get ME it feels terrible
honest kernel
That's why I prefer Artemis special
Build the damage now, get survivability later
But again, Athena first is something I got to play around with
ripe crane
That is where I ended up with Demeter. I tried ME for a long time, got a couple of good builds going but it took soOO long for something to actually come together. I also just switched to Artemis special for that
Zeus shield is bigly cool. It just feels wrong to not run Zeus special on it tho
twilit orbit
i tried playing around with athena special beyblade a bit but I went back to zeus special because I liked it better
most of the runs that I actually found most fun were sea storm builds, though getting the duo boon is obviously not very reliable once you turn up the heat
unreal pasture
ME seems like a trap in high heat... but meh
mossy zinc
Nope. Not a trap.
edgy arrow
i think that’s what they meant
trim sigil
🤷♂️
edgy arrow
not that it’s bad, but that it tempts you and then you don’t get it because of AP or whatever
trim sigil
Tbh expecting to get any duos is on players
edgy arrow
truth lol
trim sigil
Let alone under AP
edgy arrow
you can get them pretty reliably if you don’t run RI or AP
trim sigil
Well, yeah, although even with infamous Dark Foresight Gods' Legacy Fated Persuasion there is a fat 25% chance to not get a duo ever
partially because gods' boons have to appear in first place
edgy arrow
not sure how you’re getting 25% exactly
trim sigil
Yeah that's also true
true fable
the real problem with god's legacy over god's pride is 1. hermes boons and 2. god's legacy doesnt guarantee the duo you want
edgy arrow
the big brain strat is to avoid qualifying for random duos
you’re right about hermes boons tho
true fable
yeah but thats also just not possible with certain builds
edgy arrow
true
true fable
like with the standard god pool for beo you might end up with exclusive access just because beo wants mirage shot
unfortunate but necessary
same thing with sea storm
edgy arrow
oh boy
trim sigil
funnily enough, exclusive access solves hermes boons
true fable
EA does fix hermes boons but you usually arent getting EA before your first hermes
lmao you usually get EA in the styx mini boss hoping it was mirage shot
edgy arrow
yup that happened
i sadly didn’t get the hermes benefit, as it was the only UC choice out of tartarus that wouldn’t screw me
edgy arrow
the gods: “now... have exclusive access!”
me: you sure hand this out like candy. should rename it to inclusive access
trim sigil
Well, it doesn't let you get more boons, just better ones
edgy arrow
or is it “exclusive” because it excludes better duos
trim sigil
Perhaps
true fable
part of me wants to try beo 50 but the other part wants to put it off until a non2020 year just like everything else hard
heady olive
would be nice if exclusive access made all ur boons epic at least
true fable
this reminds me of everything hard about beo
true fable
i think im gonna try to have fun with hera bow before coming back to em4 dad lol
trim sigil
meanwhile i plan on making zag sword even more viable than with ME
true fable
first run hell mode 👀
ripe crane
Now's the perfect time to start another run
heady olive
taking a break rn lol
its surprising how many duo boons im getting, had 3 duo boons in the previous oen
have one rn and will probably get sea storm soon
limber ocean
I keep seeing all the praises of Sea Storm but I'm not feeling it. Is it really that good? To me it seems to require way too many boons to make it work well: 2 Legendary boons, 2 status curse that are not prerequisite of Legendaries
heady olive
o.o
idk i just take it cos it buffs ur dash
what legendaries do u need anyway
and its not like its hard to get sea storm since u only need 1 zeus and 1 posei boon
limber ocean
Ah. I always pick Athena's dash and I don't like to take Poseidon's attack / special boons.
Sea storm without their Legendaries is just +40 damage for each knockback. It's like support fire, but stronger, I guess.
unreal pasture
With a pretty fast proc rate 40 damage could wind up being a lot... isn't that the same damage as Zeus' legendary?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
unreal pasture
I haven't really forced Sea Storm a lot, so I can't really say
mossy zinc
It's OD for Eris. Not so much for everything else.
unreal pasture
OD?
unreal pasture
I see
unreal pasture
If there's no ICD, you can shotgun for 240 with the Chaos shield...
mossy zinc
I dunno, we just say OD a lot in the FGC lol.
limber ocean
But if I have a high frequency / low damage-per-hit attack to begin with, I'd rather not put Poseidon's boon on it.
unreal pasture
Yeah... I don't like playing with Poseidon boons except on ranged... it messes with positioning
true fable
@limber ocean it's more applicable to poseidon dash than either his attack/special
unreal pasture
balanced weapon
true fable
tempest flourish does but i just don't really see a weapon where it's the clear cut choice over deadly flourish
limber ocean
@true fable got it. Looks like I might have to try surviving without Athena's dash
true fable
yeah it's not favored at high heat just because any non-athena dash quickly becomes irrelevant
tbh i kinda hate seeing sea storm now because it means i didnt get a duo boon i actually wanted
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash is still great at high heat.
true fable
tidal dash is, i'd just much rather have athena dash in most cases
mossy zinc
Apparently.
@hallow stream do you have any ideas for getting DPS on RI4 Beowulf?
Been losing to TD3 a lot yesterday. Haven't gotten Charged Flight in Tartarus yet, though.
Maybe the strategy is just to get Charged Flight in Tartarus. But I want to find something more reliable.
trim sigil
Imagine mistral dash but it gets +1 dmg per heat point
Not that it'd be particularly useful anyway
crystal iron
gotta get that 64 heat to get the full potential
gaunt fiber
Thank you SonicDen220 for your support
honest kernel
I finally did it
50 heat zeus aspect of shield done
With RI2
Now to figure out how to edit a video so that I can pick the 2 last runs I did LOL
unreal pasture
Sea Storm does have an ICD for anyone wondering... but still was shredding Hades with Chaos Aspect...
gaunt fiber
Congrats ! @honest kernel
mossy zinc
Now to figure out how to edit a video so that I can pick the 2 last runs I did LOL
@honest kernel Avidemux is very straightforward for that.
Congratulations! 
honest kernel
Will look into it
And thanks!
Currently winding down a bit, I got nervous as hell in styx
Especially since it was a 3-sack!
honest kernel
Well, I did have the 2 athena defiances
And her call at level 3
And my build was basically : Spam the call as much as possible and SMOrc
mossy zinc
lol
honest kernel
Altho on 135 HP it wasn't that much HP
mossy zinc
A legit build.
mossy zinc
Don't need HP if you're invincible.
unreal pasture
@honest kernel How fast did you build gauge with that build?
honest kernel
Gimme a moment
honest kernel
Watching the video, in a styx room : 5 seconds
unreal pasture
Seems like very, very quickly
mossy zinc
Luck or Tailesque. One of the two.
honest kernel
TBH He does rama runs for the most part
gaunt fiber
I need some Tailesque blood.
honest kernel
Not to diminish him or anything, dude's insane
cinder cave
Well, I did have the 2 athene diefiances
@honest kernel Actually was unsure, is it possible to earn more than 1 DD from Athena with SD mirror option?
mossy zinc
You can't diminish him. He'd dodge that with a barrel roll.
honest kernel
Yes
mossy zinc
Yes, you can get two.
honest kernel
That's how I got my 50 heat win lmao
mossy zinc
Last Stand and Deathless Stand.
cinder cave
as long as SD is used up when I pick up both/
honest kernel
Yeah
mossy zinc
Last Stand is the better one.
honest kernel
more hp is noice
cinder cave
Tbf, just getting a DD charge with SD feels sooooo good
mossy zinc
Yeah.
cinder cave
just waiting for the run
mossy zinc
Until you lose it to White Lernie.
cinder cave
where you have 2 Athena DD+ Chaos DD+ SD
gaunt fiber
Usually I throw it away at Lernie anyway
honest kernel
I think I had that at one point lmao
cinder cave
:(
honest kernel
When I was going 40 heat practise runs
mossy zinc
Why not get multiple DDs from Master Chaos.
honest kernel
Also one of my attempts almost made it at 50 heat without athena
mossy zinc
Yes.
honest kernel
At this point that luck's better spent at the lottery lmao
gaunt fiber
I've seen 2 of them in my whole playtime
mossy zinc
Don't need that much luck if you have Cosmic Egg and a Yarn of Ariadne or Refreshing Nectar (or both).
gaunt fiber
the Saint Egg, of course.
honest kernel
https://gyazo.com/eb6037d9011eb75bed5fdb5574c4efab one of my attempts that could have made it, but I threw
No Athena BTW
unreal pasture
Doesn't Chaos DD have a boon pre-req? So it's ... kind of lucky
mossy zinc
The requirement is any boon from Master Chaos.
unreal pasture
mmm + AP1 though
limber ocean
Chaos DD is very hard to get. The calculation process of Chaos' boons is different from other Gods' boons.
IIRC, you can't increase the chance to see Chaos DD w/ any of the "boons have higher chance to be of higher rarity" bonuses.
Not even with Gods' Legacy
crystal iron
not even Chaos' Favor?
wintry sluice
If you have SD, then Athena's DD boons only add a DD if you have the chaos legendary, right?
crystal iron
if you spend your SD and pick up Athena's DD, she will "refill" that lost defiance slot and you will get your normal SD back in the next chamber.
cerulean frigate
wintry sluice
if you spend your SD and pick up Athena's DD, she will "refill" that lost defiance slot and you will get your normal SD back in the next chamber.
@crystal iron oh my god
how am i just learning of this now, crazy
might be able to eek out a few more high heat runs, thank you
crystal iron
if you don't spend your SD, you will still get the effect of the boon, but you won't get a DD from it
upper edge
I'm pretty sure you still get the additional DD from Athena, it's just that if you didnt spend the SD before that, then Athena's DD will proc first next time you die and be gone forever. Instead, if you lose your SD first, then the order will be Athena DD, then your regular SD, such that the first thing you lose will be the renewable SD
mossy zinc
No, you don't get a DD unless you use your SD first.
She replenishes a Defiance.
She doesn't straight up give you one.
wicked saffron
only chaos' legendary gives you an additional
mossy zinc
It's an oversight that you can even get a DD after using your SD.
wicked saffron
wait i should read above me whoops
mossy zinc
That was never intended. Amir found out in this channel that you can get a DD from her with SD lol.
But evidently they decided to leave it in.
It's great for high heat but doesn't really affect runs at "normal" heats of 0–20.
rain sedge
any advice on practicing for 50 heat?
I struggle a lot recently, either with TD3 timer or just dying at furies
my pact setup is everything full except AP and RI
mossy zinc
Perseverance.
rain sedge
wintry sluice
lol but truth
mossy zinc
Use HL0 and see how far you get and where your issues are that aren't just "don't get hit so much".
wintry sluice
one of the biggest things i've changed recently, which has helped a lot, is that you don't always need to dash twice
sometimes it's much better to dash one, pause, dash one
been really helpful against Fury Sisters in particular
mossy zinc
Oh yeah.
You could practice some RI3, or at least turn off your dash but keep everything else on.
Look at other 50+ runs with your aspect and see how they dealt with any particular problems that you have in your run.
If there aren't any, look at speedruns maybe and how they get faster times than you.
rain sedge
that's helpful advice, thanks nya :3
gaunt fiber
I have an other tip for you
mossy zinc
rain sedge
oh boy, here it comes
gaunt fiber
Get heat to 50. Try, die, try again. Don't do anything else until you succeed. Also, take a break when your hands are bleeding and/or to get a drink
You must not be the one tired of going for another run
The game must
rain sedge
oh I thought you were gonna say take GY or something
loud coral
when your hands are bleeding
This feels very specific
gaunt fiber
I noticed you were too weak for this aspect.
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber I noticed you're too weak for 50+. 
gaunt fiber
@gaunt fiber I noticed you're too weak for 50+.
@mossy zinc Mark my words. I will clear 50 heat GY.
loud coral
Back in MY day kids could no-hit 83 heat while eating dinner
gaunt fiber
I will eat my hat if you got 50 with GY
@rain sedge Nice !
true fable
turns out sack odds are 25% rather than 50% after room 3
honest kernel
I wonder if that should be my next goal lol
true fable
so two sack mentality is even more sketchy
honest kernel
It's a 25% then another 25%, from my understanding
mossy zinc
Just so you know: Guan Yu runs don't count unless you have High Confidence or RI2+ on.
gaunt fiber
Why are you so mean 
honest kernel
Well I already do RI2 soooo
rain sedge
what does that mean bright
room 2 has 50% chance
do you mean the chance of getting it in room 3 is 25%, or is that
mossy zinc
Myth: Styx Wings can be longer or shorter based on the enemies you get.
Result: Busted
Explanation:
Styx wings can be either 4 or 5 chambers long (including the final room). After 3 rooms, the end rooms (mini boss or combat + satyr sack) are added to the pool of eligible next rooms. This means you can simply roll the next room to be the miniboss or roll it to be a sack. Separately, for each room where the sack is an eligible next room, roll if the sack is forced. This forcing roll is the 25% chance I referenced in the last episode. That means that the second wing of Styx plays out like this:
- room 1
- room 2
- room 3
- roll for sack rng - 25% chance
- if succeed -> room 4 is sack
- if fail, roll for next room - 18% chance to get mini boss, 6% to get sack. 76% to get another small room- if room 4 was miniboss / combat chamber, wing is over
- if room 4 was a small room, then roll for sack rng - 25%
- if succeed -> room 5 is sack
- if fail, roll for next room - 75% to get miniboss, 25% to get sackConfusing huh? Overall this should be about a 54.4% chance to get 2 sack. "2 sack mentality" plays have the same odds.
true fable
baj you are right
mossy zinc
That's from ellomenop from the speedrun server.
true fable
yeeeee
loud coral
Just run level 1 GY with High Confidence/RI2, 15 health isn’t that bad
true fable
14 more health than you need
waxen relic
It makws HL free heat
true fable
i think you and i may have different definitions of the word "free"
honest kernel
^
rain sedge
cool got it
mossy zinc
It's free if you git gud.
waxen relic
If you're one-hit anyway..
true fable
its a free trip back to the house of hades
gaunt fiber
I would rather RI2 than high confidence tho
rain sedge
you're playing GY you're always on high confidence
mossy zinc
Mirrorless 32 is pretty free.
gaunt fiber
Indeed.
rain sedge
did you get all 6 weapons nya
honest kernel
I think shield was the last one
mossy zinc
Yeah, shield is still left.
rain sedge
chaos RI4 is free
anyway. about crits. Say I have a base damage of 10, and I get chaos boon of +100% special damage.
mossy zinc
60 damage crits.
honest kernel
One of the reason chaos' so good for artemis centric builds
rain sedge
so it's multiplying after your final damage count
honest kernel
Yup
true fable
crits are always multiplicative off base damage
- clean kill, which imo is super underwhelming
mossy zinc
Clean Kill is good.
rain sedge
sooo that clean kill
true fable
its ok but there's just better artemis boons out there i thinj
rain sedge
clean kill base is what, 15%?
honest kernel
Something like that
true fable
yeah
gaunt fiber
- clean kill, which imo is super underwhelming
@true fable Man, have you ever felt the sweet sound of a GY charged skewer crit ?
rain sedge
so does that make you crit for 230%, or 215%?
honest kernel
215%
true fable
wouldnt it be 315%
true fable
or +215% i guess
rain sedge
because you PC players have heart rend description of +50%, correct?
but heart rend crits for 450%?
true fable
heart rend is just roided clean kill
rain sedge
I mixed it up, I have it at +50% on switch
true fable
just like splitting headache is roided PP
honest kernel
Oh, btw
mossy zinc
Roided?
honest kernel
Splitting Headeache build on Zeus aspect of shield is legit
Artemis special, Dio attack
gaunt fiber
steroid
mossy zinc
Ah.
honest kernel
One of my 50 heat attempts got to Hades with Splitting Headache stuff
Timer got me tho
true fable
baj that doesnt sound like itd be good but i must trust
any merciful end tries or too much effort?
loud coral
ME Zeus is okay, but it’s honestly super boring
true fable
dang all these 50 tries are tempting me to try 50 beo
honest kernel
But, as with many of my failed attempts, I threw
true fable
but i also want sub 10 in all weapons
honest kernel
But, on a more serious note, Dio attack on non-beo shield is pretty nice
loud coral
Sub 10 on Beo 50
true fable
i will take your word for it
dio attack on beo shield so you can get the true s tier legendary
blackout