agreed personally
#h1-high-heat-strategies
edgy arrow
edgy arrow
but there’re definitely people that find it fun so ymmv
misty hamlet
It would hurt less if I didn’t have to see Merciful End struck out twice in a row
ripe crane
Yes but it wasn't fun
edgy arrow
ah, fair lol
ripe crane
Retrash used it yesterday for zag sword lmao
edgy arrow
i need to watch that run
misty hamlet
Well it’s not the pact of fun-ishment
misty hamlet
Hestia is my favorite gun
ripe crane
It's the best
misty hamlet
:0
edgy arrow
my favourite gun is beowulf
rain sedge
oh wow I got censored for speaking the truth
misty hamlet
LOL
rain sedge
I see how it is
misty hamlet
Maybe if you’d spoke the truth all in one line
rain sedge
here's the list of guns better than hestia
gaunt fiber
my favorite bow is GY
ripe crane
However, to be fair, when you get the boon that you do want on AP2, it feels really good
rain sedge
eris
super soaker
zag aspect
beowulf "gun"
guan yu "gun"
poseidon cast "gun"
misty hamlet
@lofty thorn if I can give you advice that helped me deal with 32 heat, it was to play low heat runs with only FO2 as my heat mod
lofty thorn
ran out of time trying to get past those dudes who constantly spawn themselves
gaunt fiber
yeah MB
lofty thorn
FO2?
rain sedge
where do you run out of time? TD2 or TD3?
misty hamlet
Forced overtime
lofty thorn
forced overtime
gaunt fiber
AP1 is enough to squeeze the only boon I need, my duos included ofc
lofty thorn
man, that outta sucked as well
misty hamlet
Once I got used to that and just left it on, it freed up quite a few points elsewhere
Same with UC
edgy arrow
UC is just about planning
rain sedge
ricochet fire on eris, does the bounced attack proc zeus lightning too?
edgy arrow
pretty sure it does yeah
rain sedge
it's really hard to see, but I think it does?
I just picked it and wasted 1 min of TD3 time to try it
lofty thorn
Well dudes
I got a good run going
Its not even like broken, its decent enough to get me through
THERE'S A WILL THERE'S A WAY
I should use my summons more
ripe crane
Just use all 4 on dad
rain sedge
xD
lofty thorn
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I AM NEVER TOUCHING HIGH HEAT AGAIN
rain sedge
congrats!!
that's what I said when I get my 32... and here we are
it's addictive
pain is addictive, punishment is addictive
lofty thorn
kek
rain sedge
what weapon are you using? that's a weird looking build
lofty thorn
indeed it is, that's shield of chaos
rain sedge
lofty thorn
and I'll be honest and say I dunno good builds
I just spam charge and special
though on builds, is there a steam guide or something I can read (prefer those over videos)
rain sedge
this channel is the steam guide I guess lol
lofty thorn
I don't like beowulf too much, the shield throw is just disgustingly slow for me
misty hamlet
I like Zeus and Chaos, but Beowulf is nice every now and then
It’s fun to drop a whole heap of casts in the middle of spearbearers and watch them explode
lofty thorn
which gods are best for shield and maybe spear
rugged acorn
I had a really good Merciful End build on Chaos Shield with Athena on attack/dash and Ares on special
for spear I went Aphrodite on special and Zeus on attack
(Zagreus spear)
but the highest heat I've tried is 12 so I don't know how the spear build would hold up at really high heat
true fable
the shield throw is a trap with beowulf now
unless you get charged flight
@misty hamlet how long did it take you to get priv status online in the GY build you posted
also the epic rush delivery 👀
twilit orbit
i heard that no boons is the best build for spear 
true fable
it cleared 40 heat so it must be true
wraith imp
"Rare Crop"
More like Rare Flop.
/Game's RNG: "Heuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheu"
rain sedge
I mean the qualifier of having a good rare crop is quite bad
it has to be at the start of a run, for a boon you really need and already own that's not epic rarity, and you have to pick up demeter as your god pool, and at this point your core boon is most likely not filled yet so getting rare crop is hard... then you need the RNG of rare-cropping the right boon
cinder cave
Holy moly my friend who beat the game on his 3rd attempt also cleared 32 on his 3rd attempt
mind= blown
cinder cave
so many god gamers
rain sedge
not sure I believe beating the game on 3rd attempt though
cinder cave
i died to meg and act 3 TD
rain sedge
but yeah, the jump from ~10 heat to 32 isn't that big if you have guidance
gaunt fiber
Imagine he deleted his file again and again lol
cinder cave
that would be pretty lame. but I bought the game for him and he had it within 3 hours of play
the very next day
gaunt fiber
solid
daring hedge
wow, first victory in three attempts is insane for a new player
i did that on my hell mode but i have hundreds of hours behind me
wild
twilit orbit
if you're good at video games I think its definitely possible to get lucky in one of your early attempts and win
twilit orbit
i watched a streamer pick up hades and win in five attempts with a lucky build, and then lose some more runs afterwards
cinder cave
He's just good at games in general, let's say
rain sedge
3rd try = he maybe have what, 1 DD? very minimal mirror upgrade
and he'll only have something like sword and bow
twilit orbit
you definitely have to be good at games to win early on but luck definitely plays a factor too
gaunt fiber
yeah there is not point to lie about that
cinder cave
btw i actually got charged skewer with GY for the first time today
felt really good with deadly flourish
although i wish i'd remembered to take DC off
i was pleasantly surprised by how much aoe potential the special had with that hammer
cinder cave
Yah cast was fine
didn't know about dash cuz I was just max ranging a lot
but I guess I could've done that
also deflect on massive spin
was pretty hilarious
bronze viper
@bronze viper did you see Tailesque did 40 Heat boonless?
@mossy zinc No, I haven't lol, but I'll look it up later.
bronze viper
it took me some time to beat the game
@gaunt fiber I checked recently, I think I got the game in run 14. I also did 32 and 41 on my first attempt but it was on pre-nerf Chaos so that probably means nothing.
twilit orbit
i think my first clear was run 17
i had heroic ares special on zag bow
and just ran away from enemies in every room spamming special in their general direction
took me like 40 minutes to win lol
true fable
mine was an absolute grinder of an 80 minute stubborn roots win
gaunt fiber
80 ?
true fable
kind of absurd that i sat down for that long
yep
1hr 20 minutes
now all my pbs combined are less than that lol
gaunt fiber
you had lunch and then resume your game right
true fable
bronze viper
I think mine was using base spear with a bunch of Special buffs, but no exploding launcher. Also took like 40 minutes
twilit orbit
maybe im just playing shield wrong but I still feel like my damage is really low when I use that weapon
except zeus, that aspect feels fine dps wise
waxen relic
try Zag Aspect double-attack
bronze viper
They tuned down the damage of Chaos and Beo a great deal. And damage was always Chaos' chokepoint
twilit orbit
yeah when I was exploring shield builds to figure out my favorite one, I was super turned off by how slow chaos and beowulf felt to play
I didnt try zag shield though
sly hound
Well, the blocking is still pretty OP... Defo not the fastest weapon/most damaging weapon, but at least its very safe
twilit orbit
i might be bad but i feel like I take more damage trying to stand still and block enemies than I do just dodging their attacks
though the feeling of needing to play fast for TD is likely part of it
sly hound
Sounds like you're bad, indeed 
More seriously, I guess you just need to get the rythm, especially with Chaos aspect
twilit orbit
nah im a zeus shield boi now
and I never hold block
just spam special and then run around pressing attack
sly remnant
alright so super soaker has the TD3 problem
what if the solution is high confidence
this is for 40 ( you could never do it beyond that)
sly hound
High confidence, ew
sly remnant
i just got to dad with 32
and didn't get sea storm until styx
and normally you need sea storm really early to even deal with TD2
sly hound
I mean
true fable
i think thunder dash is the way
sly hound
Isnt the build itself not that great ?
sly remnant
super soaker is garbage
true fable
because if you get an early sea storm double strike is killer
true fable
whereas storm lightning does jack all
sly hound
sly remnant
it has potential
it helps out soooo much with furies
which is one of the toughest parts of super soaker
true fable
its hard not to run athena dash though
sly remnant
i was admittedly running divine dash
true fable
i do think pathing to double strike + jolted is how you scale soaker thouhh
at least high heat
are you using legacy
sly remnant
which one is that
true fable
greater duo + leg chance
static locust
i tried super soaker once
is it supposed to be difficult with it pushing the enemies out of range or am i playing it wrong?
true fable
super soaker is supposed to be bad
sly remnant
super soaker needs a million jillion boons on
in order to work
and before it gets sea storm it has PITIFUL damage
so you are insanely slow
hence why i'm thinking the high confidence tech
cerulean frigate
but water gun
sly remnant
^
misty hamlet
You clearly need to supplement the power of your super soaker with Ares Dash, aka Floor Legos
sly hound
What about crystal beam ?
misty hamlet
I love crystal beam
But I don’t love how approval process can smell every improvement to it from a mile away
sly hound
I dont think i did a single true crystal beam run, yet
sly remnant
my first win was meme beam
loud coral
Clearly you need to run Ares’ Aid, I mean a single call can nearly halfway kill an enemy!
misty hamlet
@loud coral 
Tbh every aid is good because every aid gives you I-frames
Ares baits you into staying near things though which is VERY misleading
loud coral
It’s fun against Wretched Thugs but that’s kinda it
Then again anything is fun when used against Wretched Thugs
sly hound
Bleh, ares call is so bad if you dont have any of the T2 boon
sly remnant
i believe they are making fun of us for playing a bad build
loud coral
But the full call lasts for a whopping 6 seconds, how could you not take it?
true fable
blade dash was the missing part for super soaker
i think we're onto something lads
the power of two memes combined
max heat ez
sly hound
true fable
zeus dash is good on some weapons
beowulf for one
im of the opinion its the unironically best dash for super soaker too
rain sedge
what's the actual super soaker build again?
and what's the challenge?
32 with a crappy build?
formal gust
Why does almost every high heat video have the most random combination of gods
true fable
right
the only real super soaker stipulations are lucifer rail with conch shell start
and tempest strike first boon
formal gust
Like not building for duos
sly hound
Having duos doesnt mean the build is good, tho
cerulean frigate
i mean. there's your ideal build. there's the 2nd and 3rd pick that works but is harder than the ideal to win with
true fable
probably because duos get APed i imagine
sly hound
And the reverse is true
cerulean frigate
and in the back of your mind there is a 4th "if the run really doesn't show me everything else..."
rain sedge
so, tempest strike lucifer, 32 heat?
rain sedge
that does sound more fun than pushing eris to 50
have you done it at 32? or are you going straight to 40
gaunt fiber
can't even feel the heat at 32
sly hound
I finished pushing all weapons to 32 yesterday
And did bow 40
Now time for all weapons 40
Yey
gaunt fiber
all aspects*
sly hound
Spear is going to be awful
gaunt fiber
two words
rain sedge
just guan yu 40 like some psychos do
gaunt fiber
Guan Yu
rain sedge
I mean
rain sedge
I was quite close to hades 40 today but
true fable
i wish i was good at hades spear
rain sedge
the fact that you have to melee, dodge strike spam
sly hound
Only explosive launcher feels okey to use
rain sedge
kinda makes it quite hard to not die unexpectedly
cerulean frigate
guan yu is sort of a two trick pony. and neither of those tricks work if you don't get the right hammers.
loud coral
i wish i was good at hades spear
gaunt fiber
cerulean frigate
at least the hades spear debuff is pretty strong
sly hound
Rama 40 was a freaking joke
cerulean frigate
and lasts 10 seconds which is a very long time for a game like this
loud coral
Already did Achilles and Demeter at 40, gonna try out Eris or Lucifer cause it seems kinda free
sly hound
Seriously, that aspect is so damn good
gaunt fiber
I'll prove you that GY can work without hammers
sly hound
Kekw
sly hound
Wonder if its better to use nemesis or arthur for sword 40
broken loom
Arthur
sly hound
Not even high heat, so what, less than 32 ?
broken loom
Is the best sword so go for it
gaunt fiber
yeah around 20
formal gust
Maybe I should do Arthur 40 instead of nemesis 40
gaunt fiber
still ok for TD3 tho
true fable
god it feels awful
without divine dash
@gaunt fiber ftfy
gaunt fiber
cerulean frigate
arthur is way harder to scale up into high heat with than nem
though it is a lot more interesting to play since you do things other than dash strike spam
rain sedge
I heard nemesis can only work with 1 hamer
and yes eris 40 is free
lucifer is very much not
cerulean frigate
you don't need double edge
formal gust
Nemesis is fun okay
true fable
well lucifer you just suffer either way
formal gust
cerulean frigate
it's just
sly hound
Too strong
rain sedge
I think demeter 40 is free if you ger meciful ending in tartarus
cerulean frigate
way more convenient
sly hound
Demeter over zag ?
rain sedge
I'm still on switch so I don't have that buff on the new patch
tidal flame
ME is great, but honestly Demeter would be fine even without
cerulean frigate
dem has better burst damage for getting out of tartarus
true fable
i actively recoil whenever i see a hammer with nemesis
cerulean frigate
zag is better long term
sly hound
Right, and get lightning rod to make the build OP
true fable
also means you can prolly take AP1
tidal flame
oh yeah, Lightning Rod = 400 Gold
sly hound
So good
tidal flame
so it's p good yeah 
true fable
as good as any other duo when you look at it that way
cerulean frigate
ME in tartarus with the dash is also kind of a unrealistic expectation anyway. you have underworld customs on that high heat
you're happy to get an after party so you don't have to sell your attack boon.
true fable
ME in tartarus is a pipe dream unless youre some nut who enjoys resetting 99% of your runs
loud coral
Wdym you don’t have your entire build by chamber 2
tidal flame
as good as any other duo when you look at it that way
Exactly, similar to saying the chance of getting ME in the first 6 chambers is 50/50.
It either happens or it doesn't.
formal gust
Sometimes it’s fun to unga bunga dash strike
true fable
thats how i felt until i watched bablo's arthur
true fable
the true cursed slash
tidal flame
imagine if hunter dash works with Arthur combo
formal gust
It is
sly hound
The timing feels very different than the others aspects
cerulean frigate
that would be busted but fun.
loud coral
i like dash strike arthur 
sly hound
Cant really put my finger on it
loud coral
But yeah it is really jank at times
formal gust
40+ Arthur seems like an interesting challenge
tidal flame
Hunter Dash + Arthur Combo would bring Arthur to Charged Flight Beowulf I believe
cerulean frigate
it's because you have to intentionally dash strike. otherwise you continue into a combo
the spacing of dash strikes is filled with dead time
compared to nem which is haha dash strike go brr
formal gust
I just really feel compelled to use a melee weapon for high heat, I think it’s a mix of trying to prove something and hating myself
cerulean frigate
zag sword time is what it sounds like you're saying to me
true fable
could always do dem/zag fists
cerulean frigate
50 heat let's go
formal gust
No
tidal flame
40 GIl def doable
sly hound
Yeah
formal gust
Zero dollars
formal gust
Is artgur just Artemis Athena
cerulean frigate
or anything else that already does a billion damage to you
sly hound
I dont think its the easiest fist aspect to do 40 heat with, tho
cerulean frigate
heartbreak strike is more consistent
and you get the benefit of stacking DR with weak very easily
formal gust
What is the highest completed heat on Arthur
cerulean frigate
obv deadly strike dmg is way better but imagine swinging through dad spin because it only hits for 9 on hard labor 3
true fable
i think tailesque did 46
cerulean frigate
true fable
could be wrong though
cerulean frigate
tailesque did 46 and was using bloodstones to strip dc charges
it was disheartening to watch it become a ghetto nem dash strike build
cerulean frigate
just pretend you already have hl5 with guan yu when you aren't using hl
add 5 heat to the end of your completion
true fable
hurts to say but i may be converting to infernal beo gang
chaos has cucked me one too many times
i have not seen an extra cast stone in 20 runs
formal gust
cerulean frigate
your bloodstones end up in a neat pile anyway.
loud coral
Disgusting
true fable
this is not an exaggeration i literally high rolled 20 consecutive chaos
and got no bloodstones
formal gust
Well maybe if you believed more you would get bloodstones
true fable
my faith is being tested
formal gust
And it’s your choice to pass or fail that test
true fable
lol
true fable
thats worse than both beo options
formal gust
Serving platter gang
twilit orbit
but its better because spinny
true fable
also i am basically a beo/super soaker two trick now
formal gust
Guan yu outclasses it in spinny
cerulean frigate
damage is a struggle on serving platter beyblade
true fable
gross
cerulean frigate
slicing disappointment
deep in your soul
that's the real doom debuff right there
twilit orbit
my 32 heat zeus run was on the faster side for me, and it didnt really have anything special in terms of rng
formal gust
32 heat Arthur was a complete joke
twilit orbit
I think the only thing you need to do well with zeus shield is thunder flourish and a good call
and then you take whatever you feel like for the rest of your boons
rain sedge
tempest strike best shield boon
cerulean frigate
it's just not sticky enough to make good use of hangover or thunder flourish. the base damage isn't high enough to feel good about % boons either
cerulean frigate
you'll get way more damage off the jolted than the flourish itself
twilit orbit
i find it pretty easy to keep enemies inside of the beyblade
cerulean frigate
are you doing that with BP2 FO2 EM4
twilit orbit
I mean you dont have to turn EM4 on with 32 heat
but anyways you just stay close to enemies and do short range throw and recall
cerulean frigate
serving platter is just too big brain to manage. simple doesn't mean bad
chiron is simple
you mark the enemy and woosh
rama you tag things and then chonk
ez
twilit orbit
its not too hard of a playstyle imo
its sort of like playing fists, but instead of stunlocking enemies with fists you stunlock them by throwing the disc on top of them and immediately recalling it as soon is it flies past them
cerulean frigate
blocking and attacking and bull rushing and managing the special properly on top of calls at the right time, it's just a layer that makes moments like phase 1 em4 a lot tougher than it could be
tidal flame
that applies to Zag, too
twilit orbit
I mostly just use special and basic attack a lot
and obviously press call a lot but you should be doing that on every aspect that build gauge fast
cerulean frigate
zag aspect shield is really simple. get pulverizing blow, smacc
twilit orbit
tbh I think managing the disc with zeus does take some getting used to but is not as hard as people make it seem
because you rarely want the disc to fly too far from you
mossy zinc
Why does almost every high heat video have the most random combination of god
@formal gust because we just care about attack/special and after that Divine Dash + DDs lol.
true fable
the classic asphodel owl pendant
mossy zinc
Or just whatever you happen to get if you need damage.
twilit orbit
yeah having your primary damage boon and then owl pendant is really all you need to have a "good" build
sometimes you find stuff that makes your build great but for the most part a good build is enough to carry you through the game
tidal flame
Why does almost every high heat video have the most random combination of god
Something something UC, something something RI, something something AP.
mossy zinc
CF too.
twilit orbit
i dont think ive seen a single high heat video use RI4
tidal flame
yeah that was a mistake
twilit orbit
but yeah RI1 makes putting builds together harder
twilit orbit
i do notice that the majority of successful high heat runs I've seen have touch of styx dark though
mossy zinc
Those "random" are the real good builds. The ones we tell people to use are actually bad.
twilit orbit
I guess not seeing patty in the run makes things much harder
mossy zinc
We're just keeping it secret.
gaunt fiber
i do notice that the majority of successful high heat runs I've seen have touch of styx dark though
@twilit orbit All of my "perfect" attempts with patty were failures
true fable
anyone know how to copy saes
saves
i have a beowulf with EM4 FO2 SD LC4 with a build i like that i want to save as a practice file
loud coral
I smell a savescummer Yeah just copying the file should work
tidal flame
ProfileX_temp.sav for current location practice
true fable
thanks
dire steppe
https://prnt.sc/vhmqdd Well, i guess this is happening now
maybe i should do JS1 CF2 instead of JS3 tho
gaunt fiber
you really like money don't you
dire steppe
cuz td2
true fable
you got this
mossy zinc
Yeah, JS1 CF2 for sure.
sly hound
Id use EM4, but eh
dire steppe
honestly i kind of hate TD2 but it is what it is
true fable
i would do some combination of FO2 TD but that might just be me
dire steppe
TD1 gang forever
sly hound
Maybe its not a good choice
dire steppe
most of my clears end up being like 25 minutes anyway though so whatever
mossy zinc
32 with FO0 is way easier.
gaunt fiber
No FO, I consider it low heat
dire steppe
just finished 16 heat btw :omegalul: and bounty on 3 heat
sly hound
I would remove all the HL and JS to use EM4 and FO1
dire steppe
ive heard em4 is hard
twilit orbit
em4 is hard
sly hound
I mean
dire steppe
never tried it, i might try 0 heat em4 with DDs or something
sly hound
You just need to get used to it
mossy zinc
FO1 is harder than 3 points in HL.
gaunt fiber
EM4 FO1 for a first 32 come on
twilit orbit
em4 and fo are two pacts that you really, really have to get used to
mossy zinc
Yeah def no EM4 lol.
dire steppe
level 2 rama btw
twilit orbit
you can do AP1 and CF2 to cut down on heat elsewhere
dire steppe
is ap1 not hell
mossy zinc
Doing them all with EM4 FO1 doesn't mean it's easier that way.
dire steppe
i want like AP-3 man
mossy zinc
AP is bad. RI is bad.
sly hound
Well Nya
dire steppe
i will never ever take RI
twilit orbit
I find that AP1 is usually fine if you have rerolls
twilit orbit
AP2 is really bad though
sly hound
I switched from 12 heat to 25 to 32
And the one that took me the most tries was spear
4 attempt
dire steppe
so i guess DC2 means no hunter dash
gaunt fiber
what are your 32 clears buddy
sly hound
So it didnt felt hard for me, personally
mossy zinc
No, keep DC2.
sly hound
Im just sharing my experience of the game
mossy zinc
Don't take AP at 32.
twilit orbit
dc2 is fine for rama
I dont think AP1 is as bad as you're making it seem
you can still get completely functional builds with it turned on
mossy zinc
AP is like 45+ territory. And RI is like 50+. That's where you would actually want to take them.
sly hound
Frick RI
mossy zinc
Functional isn't the same as easily busted.
sly hound
Such a not fun pact condition
But idk, I like taking EM4 nearly all the time, make the fight much more interesting
Is it the best choice ? Prob not
Is it a fun ? Defo yes, imo
sly hound
HL5 at 32 heat, oof
sly hound
Not that imo
But hey, apparently taking EM4 on 32 isnt good either
So who am I to talk
X)
Still seems weird to me that people consider EM hades harder than taking +80% dmg, for example
dire steppe
yeah idk man
sly hound
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
eager gorge
Eh, after hundreds of runs without EM4 (many of which were early acces when it wasn’t an option) I am too trained to not get hit by final boss much
EM4 completely messes me up
twilit orbit
i think you can do 32 heat with no EM4, no FO, and only minimal points into HL
sly hound
EM4 messed me up too the first few times, but its like everything, you need to try again and again to get used to it
And it feels great when you can actually read the patterns and stuff
true fable
32 heat with EM3 FO2 and HL3 is optimal if ur tryna get ur run on the boards :^)
sly hound
Boards 
Ah right, maybe I should do that one day
Need to push hades in 1st place, lel
dire steppe
lol why is meg so much easier than the other EM1s
twilit orbit
i think in terms of difficulty I would rate it tis < meg < alecto
tidal flame
lol why is meg so much easier than the other EM1s
Idk, man. Meg and Alecto, for me, is a toss up between who is worst, while Tis is a free ride every time.
daring hedge
same, tis' behavior is just especially predictable ||much like her vocabulary||
sly hound
Id say meg is worse than tis with FO2
Without.. Idk
But alecto is defo the hardest one
rain sedge
wow
super soaker is worse than I thought
I can't remember the last time I ran out of time in 32
but the damage is so low
mossy zinc
Mirrors are overrated. 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776230354377506866/Hades_1142.png?width=831&height=468
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber's prayer to Bouldy helped.
daring hedge
and only one acorn charge taken off congrats!
mossy zinc
Thank you!
dire steppe
16 heat was so easy and 32 is just wall slamming me
rain sedge
im referring to nya's screenshot
dire steppe
even though i know it’s like the best bow aspect or whatever
gaunt fiber
Bouldy and top notch gameplay
mossy zinc
Easiest, probably. Rama has more potential, though.
dire steppe
rama is what i’m attempting
mossy zinc
My first 32 took me like a week, so don't sweat it. Lots of things to learn and practice there.
rain sedge
youre a pioneer tho
the rest of us are told what heat are best, what weapon and build are best, etc
mossy zinc
That doesn't change that you need to learn with all sorts of attacks that before don't really matter too much.
BP2 is also a huge change if you haven't played with that before.
dire steppe
honestly might just try to do HL1 EM4 instead
mossy zinc
Go for it if you think you're more comfortable with that.
rain sedge
lucifer rampup stays throughout dash yeah?
mossy zinc
Yes.
dire steppe
i never fought em4 so i’ll need some practice
mossy zinc
Bouldy and top notch gameplay
@gaunt fiber thank you.
true fable
lucifer rampup does stay through dash but if you continuously fire you can't i-frame
dire steppe
i wonder how many hades players have done 32 heat, maybe 5%?
rain sedge
steam should have an achievement for it
oh look
it's bright
I'm doing super soaker bright
mossy zinc
It doesn't. Steam has one for 16 but not for 32.
4.6% of Steam players have earned the second statue.
dire steppe
hm probably lots of ppl who haven’t barely played in there
how many have even beat hades once
true fable
16 -> 32 is also a pretty large jump imo
mossy zinc
72.2% have cleared Tartarus.
rain sedge
you can check the stats for that too
mossy zinc
66.2% have cleared Asphodel.
true fable
32 is the first time you have to take pacts you actively hate usually
mossy zinc
42.1% have cleared an escape attempt.
daring hedge
42.1% clearing a whole run is honestly massive
dire steppe
i hate td2 :( i’m slow
mossy zinc
Yeah, that's a lot more than I expected.
gaunt fiber
We of the 27.8 shall stand proud
dire steppe
so then like 10% of people who beat the game beat 16 heat
true fable
@daring hedge i must say your youtube preview game took a step up with this last video
not that the previous ones were not good
i just like the bouldy with diamonds
daring hedge
lol thank you
gaunt fiber
Rigged you have to stop admiring Tartarus walls
daring hedge
in honor of the styx diamond purchase flex, bouldy would be proud
peak oyster
I haaaaaate seeing diamonds in Styx
cuz i want TB to upgrade more weapons
putting off some high heat runs to farm for Eris and Chiron was a pain
gaunt fiber
Well good luck for the rest dear shade
peak oyster
Endlessly toiling
Doomed to remain...
Also, came here to ask if anybody has in mind a strat for heat 32 with sword, which aspect, what to watch out for
its the last weapon i need to have a full set on 32
its also my weapon with least clears
rain sedge
poseidon is free
daring hedge
i'd recommend arthur for 32
just avoid DC and it's pretty smooth sailing, typically
mossy zinc
I've done Malphon 33 RI4 and Coronacht 32 RI4 now.
peak oyster
just avoid DC and it's pretty smooth sailing, typically
@daring hedge DC?
daring hedge
damage control
peak oyster
Malphon Merciful end was sooooooooo easy
tidal flame
District of Columbia
mossy zinc
I guess I'll do the other weapons mirrorless next.
daring hedge
yeah, arthur is one of the few that just really hates it
peak oyster
wha
my face melted just form hearing this
I guess I'll do the other weapons mirrorless next.
@mossy zinc
cinder cave
I guess I'll do the other weapons mirrorless next.
@mossy zinc every aspect mirrorless
twilit orbit
you can earn steam achievements with god mode turned on, right?
mossy zinc
2/6 done.
peak oyster
i didnt even think of trying arthur...
gaunt fiber
Waiting for GY
true fable
left click left click left click left click
right click
or i guess it's different on controller
mossy zinc
I might use Guan Yu for RI4 32.
gaunt fiber
twilit orbit
wait dont you have 25 hp with RI4 lol
gaunt fiber
I won't miss that
rain sedge
25hp lmfao
gaunt fiber
25hp is ok without HL
mossy zinc
Well, I've already done 32 High Confidence Guan Yu, so that's fine lol.
DPS with 1 dash kinda hurts.
true fable
question for yall
just started doing EM4 and sometimes he'll just skull/spear throw from the black in phase 3
doesn't feel reactable
do i just play around pillars
mossy zinc
I guess I'll just keep dying to TD3 until I get Charged Skewer in Tartarus or something lol.
gaunt fiber
Nah
cinder cave
being able to heal on LC4 with GY feels nice
daring hedge
just started doing EM4 and sometimes he'll just skull/spear throw from the black in phase 3
@true fable yeah that's one of the toughest parts, you just have to do your best to keep track of him as much as possible, despite his teleports
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, I could do a spin build with Divine Strike lol.
rain sedge
theres the brightness strat right
cinder cave
That dark period with FO1 really screwed me over
mossy zinc
But the DPS will be sad.
gaunt fiber
Hard with TD3 and one dash ye
daring hedge
brightness strat is fun but admittedly doesn't do a whole lot; the edges of the screen remain pretty opaquely black even afterwards
true fable
my practice tempsave got deleted 
yeah theres some parts where you can't see him regardless of brightness
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber you're lacking a lot of damage mirrorless—not just from the dash.
true fable
some of his moves feel reactable on FO0 for me but FO2 makes it very difficult
mossy zinc
No Shadow Presence, no Boiling Blood, etc.
mossy zinc
I've definitely been hit by FO2 EM4 phase 3 completely out of nowhere. But I don't have much practice in the fight, so maybe it should have been predictable in a way I don't know about.
true fable
RI4 feels difficult with literally any other pacts on top of it
gaunt fiber
I do have a secret strat for EM4 phase 3
true fable
could not imagine doing 32 lol
mossy zinc
I forgot that you're right
How could you forget I'm right.
gaunt fiber
Haha
mossy zinc
Well.
gaunt fiber
Let me add a comma
twilit orbit
RI4 zag sword
build your own fresh-file run
mossy zinc
You're essentially doing 24 Heat mirrorless.
daring hedge
lol
mossy zinc
Since RI4 alone is already 8 Heat.
twilit orbit
lets see, this is 32 heat
CF2
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
RI4
DC2
AP1
TD2
gaunt fiber
@true fable So here's the strat. You build up a lv 6 Athena call during phase 2.
Phase 3 start, press call. Spray and pray.
twilit orbit
I feel like that might be one of the more reasonable mirror setups with RI4?
cinder cave
How could you forget I'm right.
@mossy zinc Forget that you're right about what
I forgot already
twilit orbit
obviously remove DC2 depending on aspect
true fable
I would just do TD3 EM2
twilit orbit
taking points into LC or HL seems sketch to me given no death defiance though
true fable
i mean if you're taking hits you're already losing so HL seems fine
twilit orbit
thats fair enough
gaunt fiber
You call that fair until you take a good ol 80 dmg from dad
true fable
feel like i would lose the most HP to traps 
mossy zinc
You're also better off without CF.
gaunt fiber
Back to the swimming pool
true fable
yeah no dark foresight or shops seems like not a lot of fun
nyaanyaa boonless RI4 32 heat when?
mossy zinc
Lol
gaunt fiber
Bright come on my strategy is good, don't act as if I'm trolling
Why am I not sleeping
gn people of high heat
mossy zinc
Ah.
Once again, I forgot to summon Antos vs Hades.
Still not used to being able to do that at all lol.
I'll sleep, too. Good night!
rain sedge
alright
I got to heroes with super soaker
with sea storm and jolted nonetheless
and it just... doesn't work
this is horrible, I give up
GL to those who are still trying
true fable
32 heat?
rain sedge
yea
true fable
getting to heroes is pretty good
everything there on out is downhill
super soaker excels in styx believe it or not
rain sedge
I wasnt paying attention but
did they even get the sea storm hits?
I feel like I'm doing so little damage
true fable
did you take eternal chamber
rain sedge
yeah
rain sedge
I got all I wanted
true fable
eternal chamber is a trap
pulsar kiln
is there a tierlist for the best infernal arms and aspects?
true fable
i am in so much pain
unbelievable amounts of pain
uhhh no official tier list but rama bow and eris rail are up there for high heat
side note i'm sure most people knew this but if your deadline is already up you can just wait to die after you give the sack to cerberus so you go into dad with max hp
it's not much but it gives you a fighting chance
unreal pasture
someone was saying the Athena legendary shuts off deadline... which is odd
twilit orbit
true fable
side note the zeus attack fists feel really strong
i made it to styx with 6 minutes and probably couldve done it with a 4 sack
timer did me in before the acorn went out lol
daring hedge
lightning strike on any fists except gilga is great, yeah
also i guess heavy knuckle fists
true fable
heavy knuckle fists
daring hedge
i've pretty much only used heavy knuckle on the 46 talos run
it was fun, though, with deadly strike
hollow lynx
heavy knuckle gives me a heavy chuckle
true fable
wait you did talos 46
daring hedge
does long knuckle give you a long chuckle
yeah i never uploaded the vid
i guess i could if i still have it around
dire steppe
fresh hell file 32 heat when lul
true fable
did the cast matter or did you just play scuffed dem fists
daring hedge
it did a little bit; had epic(?) phalanx shot
but most of the work was heavy knuckle deadly strike after magnetizing
hollow lynx
i get a long chuckle every time i charge my demfists in .2 seconds using long knuckle
unreal pasture
Ravenous Will really annoys me
cinder cave
mirrorless 40 lol
@daring hedge which was harder boonless or mirrorless
daring hedge
probably boonless mostly because getting hermes dashes undid one of the worst parts of mirrorless, and low HL combined with heartbreak flourish meant i was never really in danger of dying
but also hard to compare directly since i did different aspects for them
cinder cave
need to do two more runs
swap aspects for boonless and mirrorless
for science
seriously i'm still aiming for skelly 3 so
props to you sir
cinder cave
I think Chiron seems like a decent starting point
maybe Chaos as well, seem like they could be the easiest
little bit unsure of what the best mirror setup is for that
daring hedge
yeah those are good ones for 32
cinder cave
it's kinda been a long term plan, practicing various pacts independently
to try to bring it all together you know
daring hedge
yeah, it's hard to give definitive pact setups to others irt 32 and such, because player preference does tie into it. 32 is rather flexible with which ones you choose to leave out
though there are definitely common opinions around here, like how you probably shouldn't even touch RI until at least 40+, even then probably 45+
cinder cave
yah I mean, AP and RI seem really rough
playing with RI1 feels like getting hamstrung
and HS feels like bad value at 1 point
daring hedge
i've seen players clearing like, 16 heat for the first time while AP2 is active lol
it's wild
cinder cave
at least i'm used to LC4 now but I actually saw my friend was still rocking DDs
I mean
as far as i can tell
AP2 at high heat means you better pray to RNGesus (Bouldy)
Is God's Legacy even still good at AP2 or
just God's Pride so you don't get shafted by AP2 over and over
daring hedge
i'd definitely run pride if no RI, with AP2 active
cinder cave
makes sense
cinder cave
very very slim
true fable
but yeah there's some wacky low heat setups in victory boasting
cinder cave
and that's what we call a lowroll
daring hedge
lmao what in the world
true fable
would have maybe been the first time blade dash made it onto a 40 heat victory screen
cinder cave
Interesting masochistic tendencies in this discord
true fable
tailesque do you think you could do a beyblade 50 heat run
daring hedge
probably but i'm worried it would quickly fall out of the spotlight
and it would just be... there
i guess i could sell everything but that
true fable
here's my pitch
you grab zeus shield
start with blood filled vial
that's 2 beyblades right off the bat
cinder cave
xd
daring hedge
i've been struggling to clear 50 heat zeus aspect, and i swear
if i try that and it goes well
true fable
blade dash somewhere in tartarus and you're flyin
daring hedge
ruthless reflex gilga with blade dash
cinder cave
take off TD and empty dash everything to death. Ez 58 heat right there
daring hedge
lol
true fable
i think im done after two 5 sacks
i feel like my save is cursed if i try another time today
daring hedge
or was it building up energy to grant you a swift 2sack
true fable
it's not
two sack is the most common sack
then each one following is a progressively smaller chance
true fable
so the way it works is that every chamber after the 4th in every tunnel from the second one on
the game rolls for sack chamber, 5th chamber, or an end combat chamber
cinder cave
oh right
so it's actually
doing RNGrolls
even as you're progressing through styx
right
thanks for explaining that
wintry sluice
just beat heat 43 with poseidon aspect. would that be a useful video for peeps? got it recorded
twilit orbit
yeah
you could even submit it to the high heat sheet if you showed a death beforehand
wintry sluice
yep, i saw that on the spreadsheet and made sure to record a death beforehand
daring hedge
nice, yeah you can post your video in #self-promotion when it's up, and ping Krashercorr who manages the spreadsheet
wintry sluice
great, thanks guys
limpid nymph
wow
never had a run choked by one enemy
that massive purple snakestone mini boss in styx
it stood in an area that was super hard to reach in the bottom left corner
was running ares chaos shield, and combined with the spawning critters it took me 2.5 minutes just to kill that thing cause i could only get one shield off at a time and nothing else could reach it
and it was a tight spot to hit it so I missed a lot
weeeelp time for another break 
took my defiances too -_-
still nearly beat dad too on 32
he was one hit
true fable
thats why you box the snakestone into the walls
limpid nymph
ye I went for the other things first
tidal flame
The pain of doing JS3 when only normal enemies spawn
You know you are stuck in that room for a solid minute
loud coral
Had a run with JS3 and FO2 active and the third room was just a bunch of Speeder Savior skulls
Never again
tidal flame
Speeder Wakemaker
is obnoxious, not hard
they just like to waste your time
psychological warfare, sometimes, is worse than just doing straight damage
loud coral
The pain of losing a good run to Dad because you messed up near the end is infinitely more powerful than some Chaos trap damage + HS insta-kill
ripe crane
That's the positive of EM3, if your run is good enough to make it to the end you will probably succeed
prime cairn
Still on the lookout for more 40 heat vids!
true fable
want to send a 45 beowulf in sometime this week 👀
north dove
I swear Zag spear might actually be worse than Zag sword, it barely does any damage even with a +5 heroic aphro boon on the special
honest kernel
Want to work on a 45 heat Zeus aspect of shield video myself
limpid nymph
I actually beat 41 heat with zag spear, but it required a lot of luck
got smoldering air
north dove
AP2 be like "Duos? What are those?"
limpid nymph
yea
even with hammers it did kinda pitiful damage
especially on em4
timer ran out, barely won
limpid nymph
rip
as long as no EM4 and CP, you can typically beat Styx with TD3 with a 2 or 3 sac (depending on build) even if you ran out of time in ellysium
at least I've found
true fable
flurry jab seems like a necessity
loud coral
Used to be a diehard Flurry Jab user, my first 32 win was with Achilles and thanks to Flurry Jab I didn't use a cast once against Dad
Now I've fallen in love with Phalanx Shot so I prefer skewer and spin hammers more, I'll still take stuff like Flurry and Triple Jab if I feel like it though
true fable
flurry jab is just nuts
i got it on achilles while trying to cast build and i was like welp
this is now an attack build
loud coral
Achilles attack builds are underrated tbh
Casts are usually used more since beeg numborz but attack builds still output great dps
ripe crane
Achilles with aprho special, artemis attack, heart rend and flurry jab is the closest I've been to Achilles WR. It was very powerful. Screwed up on dad tho. Started out going for rift blade cast build xd
true fable
i need to get out of the speed mindset of trading hits with bosses
i mean i need to stop doing that in speedruns too
but im actively throwing 40+ by doing it lol
dire steppe
wow hl5 sucks
i tried 32 heat for a long time and couldnt even get out of tartarus then did hl0 and won 27 first try
mossy zinc
O~hohohohoho! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776362459123548171/Hades_1143.png?width=831&height=468
Just 3 more left to go.
I forgot to switch keepsakes before the run, so I just had Acorn all the way lol.
Which is quite nice for RI4, though.
olive elbow
Remake: Styx [CAUGHT] me so hard with 5th Chamber bag, on 32 heat speedrun.
This is illegal dammit.
static plover
@olive elbow please do not circumvent or evade the swear filter, thankyou ^_^
olive elbow
That's cruel man. No exceptions?
static plover
no exceptions
olive elbow
@static plover That is fine?
Remake: Styx [CAUGHT] me so hard with 5th Chamber bag, on 32 heat speedrun.
Pretty sure Hypnos would like it.
static plover
that's fine ^_^
misty hamlet
i found the secret to doing high heat zag spear
make sure your damage comes from everything except using the spear
true fable
how does rush delivery work with lasers
does it only increase the damage while the buff is live
waxen relic
Dem Cast Lasers?
visual sand
As far as I can tell, there's no buff snapshotting in the game
Hangover increases and decreases on the fly with Eris buff, at any rate
misty hamlet
I have to assume rush delivery was doing the work because it wasn’t coming from anywhere else that’s for sure
Between that, pressure points, and ravenous will, I saw some ticks of the cast critting for 80 while I ran in dumb circles
heady olive
asdfkljasdg im dying at 40 heat
with td3 can i take any trial of the gods? i did that and timed out a few times
at least i can make it elysium somewhat regularly
misty hamlet
You gotta evaluate how strong you are at the time
Depending on the aspect I’m using I run TD2 for now so I have more flexibility in my luck when it comes to free rooms and DPS
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420341404139550/Hades_1144.png?width=831&height=468 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420360928624660/Hades_1145.png?width=831&height=468
5/6 done.
misty hamlet
Td3 Arthur :0
heady olive
i have to add something if im giving up td3 tho
misty hamlet
@heady olive sure, but you have two extra minutes per region to deal with whatever that is
misty hamlet
You do you
I need to learn to deal with TD3 on a lot of aspects myself
I’m only comfortable zooming with a couple
mossy zinc
Sometimes it's just RNG.
I timed out with Guan Yu and RI4 somewhere along the way until I got Charged Skewer in Tartarus lol.
Keep timing out with Beowulf RI4, too.
misty hamlet
RI