I give up
#h1-high-heat-strategies
slow viper
Folks, Im on a crazy lucky 32 run, just finished tartarus and I already have Poseidon Zeus duo
think I should use poseidon keepsake to fish for poseidons legendary?
or should I go for zeus, or something else?
daring hedge
second wave is pretty bad, i wouldn't recommend pushing hard for it
slow viper
So probably equip zeus keepsake and hunt for his legendary?
hollow lynx
second meme
daring hedge
second choice
ember cobalt
Side note on Zeus' legendary though
slow viper
Second meme? haha
ember cobalt
It requires 2 of 3 secondary skills to be picked up before it can show up
slow viper
yeah, I'm aware, I think I got one already
hollow lynx
pos's two legendaries: second wave and second fish
ember cobalt
And of that 3, 2 won't how up if you only have the attack boon
hollow lynx
splitting bolt only needs one t2, no?
ember cobalt
I'm thinking it's 2, though I could be misremembering
hollow lynx
or else lightning strike's path to splitting wouldn't work
daring hedge
just one of the t2s from double strike, high voltage or storm lightning
hollow lynx
bc strike only opens up storm lightning
ember cobalt
Ah, OK
dawn forum
I'm having a harder time with 32 heat on the spear and the sword than any other weapon, but I finally did it with the spear! with the aspect I thought would be the hardest! With a guan yu, Deadly florish (heroic lv.7) and charged skewer, I was able to do it.
and lets not forget the Heart of Stone: 2% ambiguity bonus.
white magnet
Is it worth practicing for high-heat run with the mirror effect that lets you switch the... the room icon?
upper edge
No, reroll boons is pretty much superior
ripe crane
I never want to let go of attack with Dem fists
Bad habit that is getting me killed by dad
loud coral
It feels good though
I know surviving sounds cool but like that one time you dash-strike as Dad spins and avoid getting hit is 
craggy wolf
try using athena attack, can get lucky and deflect stuff while spamming
ripe crane
Too slow I think unfortunately
Well, to start with it at least
I would definitely take it if it showed up during the run
I took it. It didn't work
I am just a little too slow most of the time. Wish I could trade this CP for PL
true fable
just start hell mode 
unreal pasture
What does the ambiguity bonus even do?
ripe crane
It would certainly make things easier
hollow lynx
What does the ambiguity bonus even do?
right now it's doing its job
unreal pasture
It surely is
shrewd grotto
hey, has anyone found that you can't get any more bounties from beyond heat level 20? I recently reached heat lvl 20 on all weapons and I got this prompt on the Pact of Punishment:
- Choose any Conditions, if you dare
- Get out Using the [weapon]
- Expect no bounties for this (for now)
shrewd grotto
huh I had no idea
its not like I know what to do with all these bounties anyway lol
ripe crane
Upgrade all your weapons, buy stuff from the house contractor
shrewd grotto
my weapons are maxed out on all aspects
all I can do is buy everything that remains from the house contractor
ripe crane
I've put ~15 hours into 51 heat Dem over the past few days and my second attempt is still the closest I've been. Big depressed. Can't decide on a heat setup
unreal pasture
How far did you get?
Fist mechanics are weird ... because you have to legit unlearn holding down the button. And that actively frustrates me
tilt gaming
ripe crane
Phase 3 dad
With no DDs or Patty. Like for a brief moment I actually knew how to play the game. Then I dashed directly into two attacks in a row and have not had as good of a run since.
unreal pasture
Yea, I was just doing practice on EMDad and like... how do people dodge the spear throw again? They don't? or just preemptively assume it's coming and dash?
It wasn't even FO2 and it's borderline undodgeable especially if he is off screen
loud coral
The millisecond after Dad does the second slash you remember "oh yeah there's a spear isn't there"
unreal pasture
^
He doesn't flash either so there doesn't seem to be an visual indicator as a warning
honest kernel
use the dash that gives you 50% dodge chance, then get 2 more dashes from hermes and you don't even have to be good at the game
unreal pasture
I definitely did crutch on Lambent Plume when I was learning 🤷♂️ and Ruthless Reflex
muted fossil
32 heat time. any advice?
honest kernel
Get right with jesus. Also probably Eris rail
ember cobalt
Pray for mercy and to RNGesus
rare forge
are there any "recommended" 32 heat PoP setups out there?
cedar verge
Mash buttons until success
ripe crane
At the end of the run you will face your father, lord Hades himself. You will have to best him in hand to hand combat in order to complete the 32 heat challenge
ember cobalt
Only one that I can think of is any PoP setup that doesn't involve EM4
rare forge
ok so tune my EM4 down to EM3 and ramp up other stuff? got it 🙂
ripe crane
Don't use RI, AP, or HS
fathom scarab
Does armor scale with CP like I think it does? So an armored foe with 130% hp because of CP would technically have 260% hp compared to its base?
unreal pasture
my dudes don't like 150 damage pots and 100 damage saw blades? 😢
edgy arrow
it wouldn’t be 260%, because elites have more armour than they do hp
but yes CP applies to armour
wraith imp
i...uh...finally tried out artemis special on chiron...oh my...i've been doing bow runs wrong.
dammit...all this time i slogged through bow runs (cursing my own incompetence) while there was a way to cheese the game to 32 heat on bow.
edgy arrow
how had you not tried arty chiron lol
not that long ago basically everyone was playing it
dark schooner
which one is chiron?
edgy arrow
bow aspect with the seeking special
dark schooner
I just really love hera
cedar verge
Just tried 32 for the first time... I am not amused ...
edgy arrow
chiron really has to be maxed out to work, is its only downside
dark schooner
I got 32 a long time ago with guan yu but they removed my animation cancel so now Im sad and dont use the spear
I went for the triple strike dash build thing
wraith imp
how had you not tried arty chiron lol
@edgy arrow
I was a proud card-carrying member of #TeamBowSucks (aka #TeamNoobFriendlyShieldBaby!!!) so I just didn't experiment until rama came along.
dark schooner
and I got it up to ~2k per dash strike once
dark schooner
I love the shield but I dont use it the way its meant to lmao. I loved abusing it when earth shaker was broken
edgy arrow
earth shaker?
wraith imp
ngl i’m still a proud member of #TeamNoobFriendlyShieldBaby!!!
@edgy arrow
lulz, yep
Shield is still the best weapon simply because block negates so much nonsense.
dark schooner
basically it was an old hammer thingy that made your rush really short and activate instantly and do 90 damage
so you couldnt hold the shield
I loved it
edgy arrow
huh
dark schooner
but it was broken
edgy arrow
sounds like it would annoy me ngl
dark schooner
yeah
edgy arrow
i like to hide
dark schooner
yeah thats what I mean by I dont use it how most people do
edgy arrow
that’s fair
wraith imp
damn, then i missed out on that...
kinda sounds like the claws + flying kick hammer but for shield in a bull rush
dark schooner
also before it was nerfed, you could even just hold m1 and it would alternate doing one attack and the tiny rush
and it just deleted stuff
though that isnt to say it was easy
because you still had the shield and couldnt block basically
edgy arrow
does sound kinda fun tho
wraith imp
i'll check youtube to see if any of the old runs show this earth shaker hammer
edgy arrow
ah well, nowadays i have beowulf to explode stuff at close range
edgy arrow
delicious explosions
wraith imp
yep, easily 2k explosions (with like 4 dio leveled up casts on beowulf). and anything with artemis hunter's mark and it goes bananas. i've seen like 7-8K damage.
dark schooner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m32Xj-W7Ozkm @wraith imp this is the only thing I could find of gameplay of it.
wraith imp
wow, thank you. i was just searching through some videos and getting some random stuff.
dark schooner
yeah it took me a bit to find it because I didnt remember the name exactly
wraith imp
yeah, i typed in earth shaker (since you mentioned that above) and was getting zag sword runs.
oh
i remember that
(fastforwarded to asphodel and saw it)
yeah, i vaguely recall trying that a few times. didn't love it but didn't mind it either.
dark schooner
I cant find any of my old streams either. I guess they got deleted
wraith imp
so yeah...i can see how SGG kinda recycled world smasher for beowulf and basically added hera's ability to it.
unreal pasture
@wraith imp Arte is just busted on ... basically everyone
Since she can actually multiply +dmgers (scaling with chaos), etc
I can't even say they should nerf her because ... it kind of feels like she's the only way you hit tight deadlines in high heat
wraith imp
@wraith imp Arte is just busted on ... basically everyone
@unreal pasture
I couldn't get artemis to work well on chaos shield on high heat without hunter's mark. i think artemis without hunter's mark is too much of a liability on some aspects specifically on high heat.
unreal pasture
I play that basically every run on the Chaos shield now 😂
wraith imp
lulz
unreal pasture
It think it's much faster than Ares/Zeus? The normal stock builds? I dunno though
fathom scarab
You guys on Priv Status or Family Favorite atm?
unreal pasture
You do pretty much take on a ton of risk, but it was the only way I could push out of Tartarus in TD3
wraith imp
/but a moment of silence for what was the greatness of zeus special build on chaos shield
//"look how they massacred mah boy"
///Thanks, Amir
It think it's much faster than Ares/Zeus? The normal stock builds? I dunno though
@unreal pasture
i actually prefer poseidon and dio over zeus on chaos shield now.
poseidon is my go to build on chaos shield. i like to stack sweet nectar with sea storm. CHA-CHING!
unreal pasture
weird... Poseidon attack? And Dio special?
fathom scarab
Any thoughts on my question?
unreal pasture
I like dio special quite a bit on it, especially in damage control
Oh sorry... I like Priv status, but Family Favorite is consistent... it's almost always a 15-20% damage upgrade
wraith imp
poseidon special, don't care much about where/how i slot zeus and aphro.
ember cobalt
Priviledged Status works best on effects that last long enough to take advantage of it
wraith imp
You guys on Priv Status or Family Favorite atm?
@fathom scarab
I definitely prefer privileged status.
It's easier to get
And most status curses are (super)useful
ember cobalt
i.e. Weak + Hangover
wraith imp
i.e. Weak + Hangover
@ember cobalt
yep
one of the strongest synergies in the game
@unreal pasture
so once i get sea storm, i pretty much sell off zeus tier 1 ability.
sea storm is basically zeus legendary applied to most poseidon boons.
i do keep things like jolted and double strike and high voltage though - if i have them
also having tidal dash with razor shoals is so freaking good when combined with sea storm
breaking wave
typhoon's fury
wave pounding
unreal pasture
What even is Zeus/Dio's duo... I can't remember
wraith imp
the cast one
unreal pasture
Oh yea... Scintillating.. something lightning on fog
wraith imp
where lightning bolts in dio's smoky cast
when i play beowulf, i try for scintillating feast and/or ice wine
i know lots of people prefer aphro cast but i prefer dio cast on beowulf
ember cobalt
Any good AoE cast works, really
wraith imp
true
but i happen to like dio's damage numbers a lot
1.5-2K is possible with reasonably good level ups.
and then artemis hunter's mark makes it game-breaking
unreal pasture
Dio cast is nuts base damage, so 🤷♂️ last time I played Beo I did Dio as well, yea
I feel like I saw a 5k when I triple loaded my bull rush
unreal pasture
It seems fair to me
wraith imp
yep, me too
i just half-expected AMMMIIIRRRRRR to see the damage numbers (2K on basically every triple or quadrupled bullrush with cast?!?!) and go "Nope. Don't like that."
muted fossil
this is probably a better spot to ask this because im curious
wraith imp
fire away
muted fossil
I was fighting EM4 Hades with athena dash. He threw his spear, some stuff happened, and then i noticed his spear was still floating while he was holding another version of his spear.
the floating spear didn't seem to really do anything. was this part of EM4 or was this just a bug
muted fossil
that's what I thought, but thanks for the answer anyway
if it was part of EM4 I didn't really notice it doing anything but moving ontop of Hades once
wraith imp
yeah, it just kept floating...when i went into phase 2, it disappeared.
and then it happened again in phase 3.
but then randomly disappeared mid-phase 3.
muted fossil
mine appeared in phase 2 and vanished in phase 3, but didnt reappear
wraith imp
given the sporadic nature, i just assumed it was a bug
muted fossil
im guessing it's just a bug with the game not properly deleting the sprite
wraith imp
yep, that's basically the conclusion i reached too
it never dealt any damage. didn't move. didn't do anything else as far as i could tell (amidst the hectic action). just kept floating. so naturally i assumed it was a bug
perhaps i should've f10'd that.
muted fossil
me too but it was my first EM4 and I was kinda busy at the moment...
wraith imp
lol, yep...understandable
i've done about 30 em4 runs and i estimate something like that has happened in about 1/3 of the runs.
now that you brought it up, i'll send a f10 report when it happens again....just to be sure (and get some clarification from SGG).
muted fossil
i plan to do more em4 runs
ATM em3 is my current default always on.
IMO EM3 is easier then tisiphone is >_>
I can't dodge her whip attacks and that bullet spam is impossible to dodge without deflect
i should probably specify EM1 Tisiphone
unreal pasture
I can't even remember what her attack patterns are on non EM
muted fossil
im pretty sure the furies don't change attacks
unreal pasture
Mm, they just add more sisters?
muted fossil
I think?
If they do change attacks then I don't know either, I hardly ever play without at least EM1 on. last time I did was trying to clear with stubborn defiance for the fated list
I swear I'm cursed. I can beat Hades with just one or no deaths, but whenever I put stubborn defiance on I have a terrible run
fathom scarab
Anyone else save companion for hades phase 2? I would much rather spend less time dancing around instakill vases thank you
Instead of using it immediately I mean
muted fossil
yes
cinder cave
Anyone else save companion for hades phase 2? I would much rather spend less time dancing around instakill vases thank you
@fathom scarab That's something I've been trying too, Phase 2 is much more dangerous than Phase 1 in my experience
maiden canopy
Phase two can be complete BS sometimes
vagrant coyote
So what boons do you guys use on GY on high heats?
gaunt fiber
I really like the classic skewer arty special
rain sedge
there's this special strat for GY
rain sedge
you pick GY and get low HP, then pick heightened security
then beeline to the closest trap
and you reroll to a real aspect
that's the strat
gaunt fiber
That's rough
vagrant coyote
whats the real aspect then 🤣
rain sedge
jokes aside astaos here did a filthy 40 on GY so he knows best
gaunt fiber
Nice of you but I'm still garbage lol
vagrant coyote
I mean, I m still heat 10 cuz i do every single on every weapon, but yea, slowly grinding 😄
gaunt fiber
I would say Deadly reversal with Athena dash grants you a constant dps, really like it vs Hades
At low heat I would go heartrend all the way and serrated point
rain sedge
I mean if you don't hate yourself and don't want to reroll when you don't get charged skewer hammer
just play eris and chiron
counterpoint: serrated point teaches bad dodging habit
gaunt fiber
Well it makes your dash garbage which is really hard at EM4
upper edge
You really need GR+2 or +3 to make serrated point work huh
sly remnant
lmfao
i just had the stupidest
beowulf run
2 chaos casts, chaos cast damage, bad news, mirage shot, and fully loaded
easiest 40 heat of my life
rain sedge
yea that log is
folks
someone inspired me to a big brain strat
what if the way to do 56+ heat is
time your run on the 10th win
and you don't have to fight EM4 FO2 dad with all the other heats
but you got the clear with said heat anyway
5Head
true fable
that run isn't recorded by the system as an actual run i don't think
slow viper
hahaha
That was me cheating my way into 32 heat
accidentally
because I hadn't finished the game yet
Your boy got to Hades with three legendaries at 32 and didnt get to kill him
thats big brain right there
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/775817838278869032/unknown.png the madman is going for it
sly remnant
no effin way
slow viper
Ppl, what cast do you hunt for when going poseidon?
loud coral
Either Athena or Zeus
slow viper
oh rly? so you hunt for poseidon only for the duo, and go for athena or zeus for the cast?
loud coral
Worth the damage if you can use it well
slow viper
I see
sly remnant
zeus cast is the "easiest"
but poseidon sword is not an easy weapon to play
thats why when i play cast weapons
i turn brain off
make big purple numbers
sly remnant
beowulf dio cast
slow viper
oh I see
honest kernel
Athena's doesn't full track but it curves heavy toward the enemy and it's huge
slow viper
I see
rain sedge
zeus cast?
it doesnt lodge like half of the time, how you gonna use the exit wounds?
achilles use zeus cast, but I say athena or artemis for poseidon
sly remnant
arti cast really struggles to clear rooms
rain sedge
true
sly remnant
i mean how often do you look at a build and thinkk
yea zeus can't fit in here
the answer
almsot never
rain sedge
I m e a n
sly remnant
athena is good at high heat
rain sedge
juicy extra SD tho
sly remnant
but there's a reason speedrun poseidon runs zeus cast
i know this is high-heat
but theres def overlap
zeus cast is incredibly reliable
esp when you give it 40% extra damage
alpine wave
should i take em4 when trying to beat 32 heat for the first time?
sly remnant
You absolutely do not have to
alpine wave
idk what to take instead :(
alpine wave
are you sure? everything hits so hard :( should i minimize lasting consequences then? so i can heal it back?
broken loom
Do EM3 always
alpine wave
or do i just,,, not get hit
broken loom
Unless you want to die
heady olive
thats what i do
alpine wave
oh ok
broken loom
Stubborn defiance is better than death defiance in high heats
Just use Skelly tooth in the last fight
alpine wave
i didn't think of that lol, thanks!
should i take forced overtime? :/
everyone says it's really hard, even meg in game has a line abt "forced overtime is not for the faint of heart" jdfklads
alpine wave
ok then, ill try it with 1
broken loom
I did 2 and got wrecked in the final fight
You can’t dodge the spin attacks with 2. Well I couldn’t and so I died.
Oh right spoilers are allowed here well that’s kinda obvious
lapis widget
Yeah FO is quite hard
broken loom
I regret putting it on that one time
Damn I would’ve won that run :(
I do like what everyone says when the heat is high
heady olive
oo
broken loom
Like Meg says something like: “It’s so hot here yet it isn’t even asphodel”
And talks about you messing with the heat and putting it way too high
alpine wave
yeah, hades says smth abt demeter
heady olive
oh yea
broken loom
Yee
rain sedge
Maybe we should pin the optimal 32 heat setup
rain sedge
Also don't use skelly, use acorn, it's more effective HP
Well I'm not a mod, nor am I the best player
But it feels like every other day there's a question about 32 heat setup and there's a generally accepted answer
honest kernel
Everybody gangsta 'till the Hades adds take all the accorn charges away
Especially relevant for EM4
rain sedge
Don't use RI, don't use EM4, LC4 and SD, use eris
Use dark foresight, use acorn, use meg
alpine wave
oh im supposed to b using meg? x.x
heady olive
i dont hv meg companion :(
heady olive
i didnt bother giving nectar to them at first so now i dont hv many companions lol
broken loom
Instead of Meg you can also use Sisyphus
heady olive
yea i hope i get him soon too
broken loom
I find them all useful
heady olive
im at like 30/33 heat rn
broken loom
Oh I can’t even get past 32 heat AAAAAAH
alpine wave
same lmao
rain sedge
The companion doesn't matter that much
broken loom
Chiron is strong
rain sedge
You can easily get 32 without it
heady olive
true
rain sedge
Here's the "easiest" setup for 32 heat for beginners IMO. There's more optimal setup for more experienced players, but for beginners, I believe this to be "easiest". Thorough tutorial (explanation and gameplay) here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/924845908
Heat (abbreviations pinned):
- Core: LC4 (heal using stubborn defiance), CF2, EM3, BP1, MM, UC, DC2, TD2 (19 Heat).
- "Easier" than others: TD3 (just takes some practice I promise), FO1 (it's not that bad yet), DC2 (free on Eris, I would argue free on Chiron, but judge based on your chosen aspect).
- More advanced players can take BP2/FO2. Note that the difference of FO2 and FO1 can be huge. HL5 FO1 is better than HL2 FO2. Some BP combinations are just deadly, too.
- Fill the rest with some combinations of HL, JS, CP that works for you. Chiron struggle with JS, for example, while Eris breeze through it. Adding CP means you take more time to kill enemies, making TD and bosses harder (advanced players usually don't pick it). HL5 basically halves your effective HP. Pick one that suits your playstyle.
- NOT RECOMMENDED: HS (bait), EM4 (hard with FO and HL combination), RI (never take this below 45 heat). AP1 can work, but it's rarely worth it in 32 heat IMO.
- Visual guide credit to @fathom cloud : https://imgur.com/a/rY9yu1l
**Weapon: **
- Eris. Lightning strike and static discharge are the core boons. Splitting bolt if you are lucky.
- Chiron. Offensive build is with Artemis special and Aphrodite attack with heart rend. Defensive build is Aphrodite attack + Demeter special for slowing down enemies and weakening them (and activating privileged status).
- Other "easy" but less beginner friendly weapons: Poseidon, Demeter, Hestia, Chaos, Beowulf, Arthur. Ping channel for specific help and heat setup (some of them shouldn't take DC or FO), but in general play whatever weapon you're most comfortable with
Pinned spreadsheet has videos for other aspects.
--Continued--
Supporting Boons:
- Athena dash is super good, prevents empty dashes, gives deflect, and gives eligibility for extra death defiance (DD) boon that adds DD on top of your stubborn defiance (SD). SD must be consumed when you receive the boon for you to get extra DD.
- Extra dashes from Hermes is really good. Second wind or dodge is decent defensively. Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery combo gives you a lot of damage.
**Keepsake: **
- Whatever god keepsake needed for your build in Tartarus and Asphodel. Owl Pendant in Asphodel if you have the gods you need already or just need that divine dash for defence. Acorn/spearpoint/skelly in Elysium. Acorn in Styx, since 5 hits from Hades is more HP than what skelly/cerberus gives you.
**Mirror: **
- SD, 2x dash, dark foresight. God's pride or god's legacy depending on your build. Deep pockets (you need to buy boon in Tartarus for underworld customs). Fated persuasion.
Companion:
- Meg optimal, otherwise Antos if you struggle against the furies (or never used Meg and find yourself whiffing a lot of the calls). Use in miniboss rooms, Heroes, and Hades (use your discretion, too).
General Advice:
- Dashing while attacking will void your invulnerability frame you get from dashing, unless you have Athena dash.
- Look for Hades speedrunning basic by wriste if you really struggle with TD3.
- You can stay in the middle of dad while he beams to not take damage.
- If you still have your SD and need to heal, try to suicide to lava/elysium eggs/last bit of mobs before your next room. When Zag says a line like "they're slowing down" etc, it means it's the last wave of mobs.
- Erebus rooms are hard, and slow, so take caution before taking them. I usually only take them if it's double heart or I need a divine dash.
- Use your cast to increase damage, it's 50% extra.
If other better players want to suggest changes, just ping me 
heady olive
nice
rain sedge
I'd rather have the actual good players like nya/tail/retrash make sure I'm not saying bad things before that
twilit orbit
anyone have recommendations for zeus shield at high-ish heat? what starting boon is optimal, and what hammers are good to take?
rain sedge
hang on
twilit orbit
shield is the only weapon I havent done 32 heat with yet, so I figured I would try and learn it
rain sedge
baj is the man for this
I prefer beowulf but yeah
he also has a high heat video posted with zeus, his gameplay is smooth
twilit orbit
I tried a run with chaos, beowulf, and zeus
and zeus felt like the most fun to me
I really hate playing around cast stones so beowulf was kind of mediocre
it looks like according to those baj messages, zeus special is the most reliable build for zeus shield
is there anything in particular I'd be looking for on the attack or do I just take whatever I get offered?
true fable
if you dont like playing around cast stones might i suggest stygian dio
it is beo but you dont have to pick up your casts
twilit orbit
but then I only have one cast stone :<
rain sedge
you high roll for chaos casts
twilit orbit
ill try a few runs with zeus zeus and if im not getting the hang of it I might switch to beowulf
sly remnant
BEO IS THE BEST
true fable
^
true fable
hard agree
twilit orbit
but I like zeus 😦
@honest kernel what boons should I be aiming for with zeus?
I know you recommend zeus special, but assuming I have that what should I ideally aim for next (besides taking more zeus boons and athena dash)?
honest kernel
Athena attack isn't a bad idea. Poseidon attack, altho often a meme, could work here, especially if you go for the duo. Generally speaking, I kind of just pick blanket boons (You can pick stuff like Aphrodite/Demeter attack and eventually Jolted for Priviledge status, if you want to rock that instead of Family Favorite), eventually get a call and try to get Billowing Strength
Merficul End works well too
Ares on attack works best for rooms, Ares on special works best for bosses
But generally speaking, I haven't found the need to get specific duos or anything
twilit orbit
i assume most hammers are whatever
honest kernel
Most hammers will be positive
twilit orbit
like none of them feel super core to the build but they do add a bit of power
honest kernel
But skipping them isn't the end of the world
rain sedge
I like poseidon attack on shields, it slams foes to barriers quite well, and poseidon boons work well with that
plus, sea storm
honest kernel
My 40 heat did just that, sans the sea storm
Worked out well
But not sure how that compares to Merciful End yet
Or just look for a bunch of Epic Zeus boons and go for Billowing Strength stuff
twilit orbit
the one thing I hate about ME is that i sometimes go for it and it just never comes together
since it takes so many boons to get going
honest kernel
It can work either way. Depends on whether you want easier bosses or rooms. Ares Attack/Athena Special for rooms, vice-versa for bosses
For other weapons, it's 100% Ares attack
Because lol divine dash and Merficul End
mossy zinc
I really don't like ME tbh. Never did.
honest kernel
Like it or not, it's one of the strongest blanket duo combos. I personnally find it sad
mossy zinc
It's strong in a way that's not very fun.
true fable
ME feels cheesy
and resetting for it feel like crap
this is coming from someone with a relatively fast dem fist time too i just hate how much of a reset fest it is
only zeus attack arty special gang now
mossy zinc
I don't like how it's optimal on practically every melee aspect.
And you end up doing nothing but spam Dash-Strike mindlessly.
honest kernel
For Zeus Aspect of shield, you could legit just go for God's pride instead of God's legacy
Since outside of Merciful End, you don't need to fish for much
mossy zinc
Special on Demeter Aspect is practically obsolete once you have ME.
rain sedge
btw nya, baj, bright
what do you think of the easy 32 setup here: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
seems like people are asking quite often so maybe we should pinit
honest kernel
Honestly, Chaos aspect of shield could be the "easiest" if you don't want to go full speedrun
true fable
^
honest kernel
Eris rail for speedies is a fine choice
true fable
chaos is free af imo
i mean if its speedies asking i feel like the answers are very different
mossy zinc
I disagree with Chaos Aspect being the easiest.
mossy zinc
Chiron is a contender.
honest kernel
True, kinda forgot about the nerfs for a hot second
mossy zinc
Eris, too.
rain sedge
which is what I wrote
mossy zinc
I never agreed with Chaos Aspect being the easiest before 1.0, either.
honest kernel
Melee's a no go for "easy" heat 32, can we agree on this ?
true fable
yeah no swords lol
rain sedge
poseidon is range
mossy zinc
It's just what everybody told everybody to use, so obviously it got the most 32 clears lol.
rain sedge
I heard nemesis only works if you get that one hammer
mossy zinc
That's hyperbole.
honest kernel
Nemesis is insane, but you kinda need to go ham on the attack
true fable
its just bad if you dont
mossy zinc
But the difference is night and day.
true fable
feels like a wet noodle without double edge
still playable as in, your game wont crash
honest kernel
It's actually pretty fine without the hammers
and with, you get one of the best weapons
true fable
but your soul will
mossy zinc
I'd rather do 50 Heat Rama than 40 Heat Nemesis lol.
honest kernel
I mean, Rama is stupid strong, ain't it ?
mossy zinc
Rama is another contender for easiest 32.
honest kernel
The buffs did it good
mossy zinc
I'd also rather do 40 Heat Guan Yu High Confidence than 40 Heat Nemesis.
twilit orbit
I think rama takes some practice
mossy zinc
Speaking of.
twilit orbit
you need to be good at consistently hitting power shots for rama, right?
true fable
tbf all aspects take some practice if you arent used to it
twilit orbit
and at picking your spots because it charges slower than other bows
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber did you use High Confidence at 40?
you need to be good at consistently hitting power shots for rama, right?
Not really.
true fable
GY high confidence 
honest kernel
With HS, you are asking for heart attacks lmao
true fable
you can kill tartarus mobs with a no charge twin shot lol
mossy zinc
You don't even need power shots.
true fable
you dont need to power shot everything
mossy zinc
It's optimal if you can do it consistently, but you don't need to be optimal at 40ish.
gaunt fiber
@gaunt fiber did you use High Confidence at 40?
@mossy zinc I should have, but no
mossy zinc
Gotta do it again then.
honest kernel
Honestly, I should consider it for Zeus shield lmao
mossy zinc
Since like this it doesn't count.
gaunt fiber
then I'll get back to GY
mossy zinc
Ah yeah makes sense.
gaunt fiber
You can't say that...
mossy zinc
I can.
gaunt fiber
I put so much effort into that clear lol
mossy zinc
It's way better for showing off if you do it with High Confidence.
mossy zinc
lol I had the WR with Malphon and my other weapons were like that.
honest kernel
... I kinda feel like it's going to be that way for me and Zeus shield lmao
All my other weapons at 32, and then I mega push shield
gaunt fiber
(nice sleep schedule btw)
honest kernel
Wait I have a sleep schedule?
gaunt fiber
I know someone who should
heady olive
hi, if i wanna go from 30 to 35 heat
mossy zinc
It's kinda hard for me now to stay ahead of others at 40+ without much practice because people are copying all the strategies we figured out lol.
heady olive
is CF2 and TD2 the easiest to take
rain sedge
TD3 is free
honest kernel
TD2 can be an easy pick, depending on how comfortable you are with speed
rain sedge
CF2 is inconvenient but not that big of a deal
mossy zinc
Although m always happy to see some new strats like from @north dove.
I think if you want to climb in heat, you should do some runs with just FO2 EM2 TD3 and try to be fast.
You get better with practice.
mossy zinc
Helps you optimize your builds and rotations.
heady olive
is there any general tips on going faster
gaunt fiber
Yeah
honest kernel
If you don't already do that, you can pause before rooms/in shops to save time
alpine wave
i just died on td3 i hate it so much
mossy zinc
twilit orbit
i feel like learning how to play fast enough for TD2 is relatively easy
mossy zinc
This has some good general tips.
heady olive
thanks!!
twilit orbit
I basically have no runs end over 28 min even when im doing dumb stuff
but TD3 is really hard for me
mossy zinc
Not everything applies because high heat is different.
twilit orbit
because its partially rng
mossy zinc
But gives you a good idea.
heady olive
also i have another qn, at temple of styx
twilit orbit
sack is random
heady olive
is it better to clear the tunnels first before going to shop since it saves time
twilit orbit
I normally glance at the shop, if it has something that I really need I buy it
mossy zinc
For attack rotations, watching your own runs can show you a lot where you're wasting time.
twilit orbit
otherwise I shop after tunnels
alpine wave
td1 is certainly free tho
mossy zinc
And you can watch speedruns to copy some tactics.
heady olive
yea i find it hard to land attacks using chiron cos enemies move so fast :(
twilit orbit
also saving the heart in the shop for later is good when you're running LC4
heady olive
im not using lc4 luckily
mossy zinc
It's also just a lot of experience and practice if you want to be fast without taking damage.
heady olive
i guess, i lose 1 dd per boss except for hades
gaunt fiber
Yeah I went from hearing the bell during Meg to saving 1:30 in a few hours
spam the game
twilit orbit
for TD2 or TD3?
twilit orbit
because if I play TD3 I usually make it out of tartarus with like 30 seconds on the clock
or less if I dont play super well
im just not that fast 😦
mossy zinc
The other thing I would recommend for practice is doing runs with Pierced Butterfly and maybe TD2 at the very least. Doesn't have to be with FO.
It's just about learning the mindset of really avoiding all damage.
gaunt fiber
It comes naturally tho
mossy zinc
30s out of Tartarus is fine.
You just need to beat the clock at high heat.
You don't need to set a new speedrun record.
gaunt fiber
When you realize that doing a GY spin in front of an army of FO2 skulls is not a good idea, you make progress
daring hedge
because if I play TD3 I usually make it out of tartarus with like 30 seconds on the clock
30s left after tartarus (at 50+ heat at least) is actually good
twilit orbit
oh, I'm just running 32 lol
gaunt fiber
(true story... an army of skulls looks so yummy)
twilit orbit
the big struggle I have with TD3 is that I usually end each biome with around 0-30 seconds left on the clock, so I never really build a buffer
mossy zinc
I often have to use a summon to not run out of time or die vs the Furies lol.
twilit orbit
and then when I get to styx if I have bad sack rng or the hades fight takes too long I just die
daring hedge
asphodel can be pretty important for building a buffer through the rest of the run
mossy zinc
I like Alecto the most.
alpine wave
tis is easy for me lol
gaunt fiber
same alecto fav
mossy zinc
That fight is chill.
true fable
alecto suuuuucks
alpine wave
alecto fight is hard for me :(
twilit orbit
I think tis is the easiest for me because her transitions clear the room
alpine wave
that too
daring hedge
tisi "huge telegraphs" phone
honest kernel
That moment when I butcher my meg calls in tartarus in my 42 heat run and still get like 1:48 minutes left (TD3)
twilit orbit
and the smaller area is actually nice because she cant run far away
true fable
tailesque i heard youre back to battie
alpine wave
tis is easy to dodge i think
true fable
no more furies summons
daring hedge
yeah, i'm not super attached to any of them but i went back to battie for now
mossy zinc
Meg circles can just end you for no reason lol.
honest kernel
Alecto beyblade noises intensifies
true fable
antos is sad 
mossy zinc
And that whip is a problem if you have to evade her sisters, too.
daring hedge
when you put it that way i'm gonna have to equip antos again 😭
true fable
meg can be super annoying if youre trying to go fast
gaunt fiber
I need Antos for the mini boss that TP
mossy zinc
@daring hedge Bouldy misses you.
gaunt fiber
my nightmare
true fable
alecto at least is mostly a stationary object
daring hedge
poor shady... haven't used them in ages
true fable
for the sneak you just meg once he teleports and dash to take off dc hearts
honest kernel
^
alpine wave
alecto runs around so much i swear half the time i dont even know where she is
true fable
the timing isnt too bad
alpine wave
im standing around like, where did she go?????
daring hedge
the pacts i'd have to take to make up for LC...
mossy zinc
alecto runs around so much i swear half the time i dont even know where she is
Probably on a spike trap.
alpine wave
jfdslafdl ppl tell me "just bait her to a spike trap" but then im the one who always take the spike trap hit ;-;
gaunt fiber
that's what I like about her
mossy zinc
for the sneak you just meg once he teleports and dash to take off dc hearts
Antos just ends the Sneak lol.
true fable
@alpine wave just dodge
gaunt fiber
calling you trash god, then walking on traps naturally
alpine wave
dodge the spike trap??
gaunt fiber
yeah Antos ends his life
true fable
yeah dash back
gaunt fiber
I struggle way too much with GY vs that guy
true fable
you have time before it deploys
alpine wave
but then will she go onto it?
alpine wave
the only time she follows u around is when she's spinning in the air and then she doesn't trigger the traps
mossy zinc
She does trigger the traps lol.
gaunt fiber
My kind of energy.
@mossy zinc True, always a pleasure to end her life after that
alpine wave
orz, ill try it next time
mossy zinc
That's not what I meant.
mossy zinc
Murderer.
true fable
obligatory tis 🤤
true fable
shes such a hunty
alpine wave
i love tis she's so sweet
mossy zinc
She's not as nice as Alecto, though.
gaunt fiber
Nice you say
mossy zinc
Yes.
gaunt fiber
What makes you think she is ?
true fable
alecto is a bully
alpine wave
btw which eris hammer upgrades should i get v.v
mossy zinc
She says nice things.
daring hedge
kind enough to walk on her own traps
alpine wave
im trying eris cuz im fed up with chiron
gaunt fiber
nice things hm
alpine wave
what is the,,, optimal eris build
true fable
zeus attack
go for jolted, storm lightning and splitting bolt
artemis special
poseidon dash is good but 32 heat im inclined to take athena dash for some enemies
alpine wave
ok, and what abt the hammer?
gaunt fiber
cluster rocket
true fable
triple is good
gaunt fiber
boom
true fable
delta chamber is kind of a meme but also good
mossy zinc
ruster clockets
true fable
look i like delta chamber
gaunt fiber
Hazard bomb is really interesting too
true fable
its a meme
mossy zinc
It's not a meme if it's good lol.
true fable
hazard bomb is uh
rain sedge
hang on let me check my 45 heat hammers
mossy zinc
Hazard Bomb is a meme.
true fable
tailesque beat 55 heat with repulse shot so i guess repulse shot is an s tier hammer now
mossy zinc
Tempest Strike Guan Yu is a meme.
rain sedge
ITS DELTA CHAMBER
gaunt fiber
Tempest Strike Guan Yu is a meme.
@mossy zinc
rain sedge
I mean tail is special
gaunt fiber
Broken dreams
rain sedge
actually I have delta chamber and cluster bomb lol
loud coral
Tempest Flourish on Demeter fists 
rain sedge
ok n joke tho
tempest strike on zag shield is good
just not at bosses... which is like... the hard bit
I really enjoy the blasting people to the wall gameplay
loud coral
...Go on
rain sedge
and making blasts from that one boon
true fable
Look!
gaunt fiber
tempest strike is never good
@true fable except on GY
mossy zinc
Tempest Strike is not actually good on anything.
rain sedge
I wish it works on bosses
true fable
There is a bad boon
loud coral
Rama and Gil, maybe shield are the only weapons I can see it not being bad on
true fable
tempest strike and freezing vortex are the worst boons for different reasons
mossy zinc
Fun, sure. Good, no.
rain sedge
I swear it's fun but you just have to find a way to deal with the boss
like
sea storm and splitting bolt
what's freezing vortex again?
true fable
yeah lemme casually grab these 1 duo 1 leg to make my bad boon good
freezing vortex also locks you out of hunting blades lol
so just all bad things
mossy zinc
You could skip the middleman and just get Lightning Strike instead lol.
gaunt fiber
on what aspect ?
mossy zinc
The saddest part about Tempest Strike is it doesn't even get better at higher rarity or with poms lol.
rain sedge
if I do a 32 with tempest strike will we reduce the meme status
loud coral
Seems fun on shield at least, I’d try it rn but I got a killer 40 heat fists run going on
mossy zinc
No.
honest kernel
I already have a 40 heat run with Tempest Strike
Still a meme for the most part lmao
gaunt fiber
Nope, I learnt that completing runs with trash combos does not make em less trash
mossy zinc
Just sell your Lv.20 Tempest Strike, take Shackle, you'll do more damage.
gaunt fiber
that's the moment where I'm supposed to say I'm not the owner of the build
mossy zinc
I should sleep.
gaunt fiber
you really should
mossy zinc
I said that 2 hours 10 min ago.
loud coral
And you’re gonna say it in 3 more hours
gaunt fiber
But before
mossy zinc
And again 1h 10min ago lol.
gaunt fiber
tell me the story of dead or alive
mossy zinc
No.
mossy zinc
Speedruns? Yeah.
true fable
how long did it take them to verify
mossy zinc
Pretty sure there are some submissions.
mossy zinc
It takes them a few days to verify.
true fable
👍
honest kernel
I've heard they get something like 15-20 runs a day to verify
That's a lot of work
mossy zinc
They should find some more people to verify runs to spread the workload more.
I think they found a couple new people recently, though.
honest kernel
Museus was one 'of em if I recall
mossy zinc
Alright. Good night!
honest kernel
Take care
gaunt fiber
Night !
loud coral
Is splicing something that happens frequently? Seems like it'd only be practical to splice the death without it being obvious
Not that you should anyway
true fable
theyve apparently already had a run that was spliced they had to reject
it was a high heat submission 👀
honest kernel
They require you to go un-seeded yeah
gaunt fiber
spliced ?
loud coral
Basically just taking separate clips and combining them to make it look like one run
gaunt fiber
Yeah I thought it was something like that too
loud coral
Usually you can tell by looking at how smooth the cuts are and the audio
honest kernel
Let's hope it remains obvious
loud coral
You obviously can't splice mid-way through a run, though splicing the death verification might be an issue for verifiers
rain sedge
wouldn't cutting mid-room transition work?
honest kernel
Timers
gaunt fiber
that's such a stupid thing to do tho
rain sedge
I never paid that much attention to the music
loud coral
The problem is the boons too
rain sedge
ah timers yea
honest kernel
And audio
rain sedge
well there's many ways to cheat
like I know in PC there's mods that can do all sorts of stuff
honest kernel
Altho mid-room transition would be the easiest
rain sedge
and I think you can modify the .lua files or something
gaunt fiber
about mods/cheating, did you guys altered a save in order to train EM4 FO2 that kind of stuff ?
again and again
loud coral
That is popular with rougelites but I never did it
gaunt fiber
I think I'll train it separately
true fable
between speedrunning and resetting
its been so long since i fought em4 dad
i honestly dont think id make it to phase 3 right now
honest kernel
I didn't, might have been the fastest way to train for EM4
gaunt fiber
I'm considering to train it
honest kernel
It's worth it
honest kernel
You have more opportunities to see what the fight wants you to do
Then you can gradually amp it up
ripe crane
Speaking of mods
true fable
astaos if you find a practice save can you DM me
ripe crane
How can I give myself PL
true fable
i need to hyperbolic time chamber that fight
@ripe crane theres a maxed out hell mode save
on speedrun.com
gaunt fiber
astaos if you find a practice save can you DM me
@true fable sure will
true fable
in the resources section
ripe crane
Ya but I want it to be mine 😛
loud coral
There's a built-in mod called Hell Mode that lets you enable PL, does need you to make a new save though
true fable
kek
honest kernel
But legit
the more I think about it
the more Tempest Strike could be something you'd want with Zeus aspect of shield (Assuming you went Zeus special)
rain sedge
told you it's not a meme
loud coral
Jesus Athena's call really is busted
rain sedge
also on PC, there's a codex mod that can get you to dad fight? and you just give boons as you need it?
might be a way to train
honest kernel
No boons EM4 clear when
gaunt fiber
shackle
loud coral
In 30 minutes
twilit orbit
wait how does empowering flight work with zeus aspect
i took it thinking it would be amazing but it doesnt really feel amazing so far
honest kernel
It's actually insane
Each hit of the special refreshes the attack damage buff counter
twilit orbit
maybe im just blind and not seing the double hits
oh wait
im blind
i read the hammer wrong lol
I thought hitting with the special made your next attack strike twice, like that other shield hammer
honest kernel
... That would just be inferior, straight up lol
gaunt fiber
there's so much depth to this game
I just spammed one aspect so I'm bad at the others
so many ways to play, to fight heat etc
How many hours will i spend lol
honest kernel
Not enough
honest kernel
Welcome to the gang
twilit orbit
im at 140 hours
rain sedge
isnt your top heat quite high baj
gaunt fiber
im at 140 hours
@twilit orbit got 200 today
honest kernel
482 hours here
honest kernel
Most of it was screwing around with Achilles aspect
rain sedge
11, I'm messing around with bounty
I've done all the high heats I want
I don't think I can push it to 50
honest kernel
42 so far for me
gaunt fiber
Ok, so go Aphro heart rend
gaunt fiber
special Arty ofc
rain sedge
aphro on special?
loud coral
Finished Spear and Fists on 40 heat now, what's the next weapon I should do?
honest kernel
Eris rail go splish splash bzzz
gaunt fiber
you can be greedy at low heats
gaunt fiber
also, don't ruin your runs with spin
Yeah
Be careful of the wind up after the special
rain sedge
common special yikes
gaunt fiber
you might get caught right before you can dash so manage your spacing
rain sedge
oof
honest kernel
oh boi
gaunt fiber
hm
rain sedge
I'll do that
honest kernel
The urns are yearning
rain sedge
cya at #h1-victory-boasting astaos
gaunt fiber
with pleasure
rain sedge
heart rend, athena special
gaunt fiber
if you go 40
rain sedge
you know I never got 40 with chiron
rain sedge
because I greeded to get 49
and I got to EM4 and FO2 thinking it's free
since I got all the boons I need
and I got smacked lol
alright deadly reversal
gaunt fiber
It will allow you to deflect and get a constant dps in fights you don't want to take risks
(hello dad)
It will shorten it too
gaunt fiber
It took me something like 20 hours of practice I think
gaunt fiber
DC2 is ok
rain sedge
do I heal with the spin on LC4
honest kernel
yes
gaunt fiber
Because you can poke with stygian soul
honest kernel
But you can also turn it off
gaunt fiber
hope HL is not too high
rain sedge
it hurt
gaunt fiber
FO2 ?
gaunt fiber
best of luck, time has come to sleep
rain sedge
well
dead to tis + tight deadline running out anyway
seems like it's too hard
it's fine, I shouldn't be playing this game anymore anyway
it was a fun tartarus
gaunt fiber
it's fine, I shouldn't be playing this game anymore anyway
@rain sedge why tho
rain sedge
AC valhalla, I always was supposed to stop today
gaunt fiber
Yeah getting acustomed to TD took me a while
rain sedge
I've done all I wanted in this game
rain sedge
I mean I suppose I can try to go for 50 but
I tried it and it's just too hard
it's not worth the effort
45 heat and 32 on all aspect is enough for me I think
gaunt fiber
if you're satisfied, ofc
mighty cosmos
