I got 41 from 135
#h1-high-heat-strategies
daring hedge
basically that you never get the skull earring buff upon losing your SD, even though it seems like it would work
daring hedge
immediately upon losing it, i should say
like, you have to take even just 1 damage for it to start working iirc
daring hedge
yeah, we don't know if it's intended or not, etc.
cinder cave
So, even though i'm at 60/201
rain sedge
which seems to me, 60/201 qualifies
cinder cave
skull earring wouldn't work?
daring hedge
that's just how it is right now
rain sedge
.............
cinder cave
... indeed
thank you for clearing that up
so it isn't a matter of hp%
it's a matter of you never have skull earring active
after SD triggers
until you take an instance of damage
gaunt fiber
ye
rain sedge
well
daring hedge
it might be something to do with how after SD, you aren't passing or reaching a 30% threshold from above? and instead you're just put there, which might throw off skull earring
rain sedge
in ashpodel
daring hedge
i have no clue
cinder cave
It's totally possible
gaunt fiber
Nyaanyaa killed my dreams when she said that it would not proc
cinder cave
that hp checks are done after you take damage as the last interaction with your hp
rain sedge
I don't think I want to take 1 free hit just because
rain sedge
btw I'm on 40 heat run with 5 athena dashes xD
cinder cave
rain sedge
I wanted tidal dash but... you don't reject divine dash
rain sedge
hang on let me check my heat runs
lmfao 3/6 of my 32 heats are on divine dash
yikes
broken loom
where divine dash doesn't exist
Harder than extreme measures 4
daring hedge
congrats!
rain sedge
I think I can do 45, and that'd put me on the leaderboards
but I don't have a recording device for switch
rain sedge
I think the 5 divine dash is what divides the heat by 2
tidal dash with sea storm will deal insane DPS but yeah
gaunt fiber
Yeah idk if it still works at 40
rain sedge
so @daring hedge correct me again: dashing during eris attack doesnt give you I frame, but if you have divine dash, you'll deflect instead?
therefore, tidal dash + eris attack = no defence?
daring hedge
yeah, if you're dash-striking during that, the iframes get cut off
but with divine dash, the deflection area is still active
daring hedge
going into a dash-strike just cuts off any extra iframes you would have gotten if you didn't input anything after dashing. an example of this is dash-striking through a skullcrusher wave
if you do this, you'll almost always get hit by the wave even though you dash through it
because the game recognizes that you're dash-striking, instead of empty dashing
rain sedge
ah, great explanation
thanks
well I'll try 45 once, but I don't think I want to push that
seems unfun
I might take chiron 40 if I get nice hammers, but that's it
this game has been great
gaunt fiber
well you'd have to EM4
gaunt fiber
lemme check
rain sedge
want me to send you the heat setup?
gaunt fiber
Haha I did not mean it like that
rain sedge
hhmmmm
so @daring hedge , does this mean that when I am dodging on eris, I should stop attacking, so my dodge frame counts?
gaunt fiber
I guess JS is no problem for Eris
daring hedge
if you're trying to iframe through stuff, yeah. it depends on whether you're currently on the offensive or need to dodge through something like wide asterius attacks that could easily clip you if you're inputting dash-strikes constantly
rain sedge
this explains
so
many things
because there were a lot of moments where I thought I surely dodged stuff but didn't
cinder cave
40 HEAT
@rain sedge congrats!
dusty flint
As long as you tell no one
heady olive
what is high heat anyway
dusty flint
Which you just did
cinder cave
#rekt
dusty flint
I'd say 32+ ig
rain sedge
someone said some time ago it's like 32 heat onwards?
but this channel has been super friendly to everyone
cinder cave
32+ is where it "starts"
but this channel welcomes aspiring noobs like myself
keyword aspiring
dusty flint
Elites only sry
cinder cave
yikes
rain sedge
whoa, just got killed by the gorgon + falling rock miniboss on tartarus on 45 heat
rain sedge
that on FO2... the shockwave hurts and is hard to dodge
cinder cave
I was practicing FO1 and EM4 and
dusty flint
dusty flint
Guess why I'm usually not lurking in here
rain sedge
you would not believe who just got another 5 athena dash on 45
I couldn't have modded/seeded this any better on PC
rain sedge
yeah 45 seems hard
I'm on heroes with 8s left
the JS just... adds too much time I think
and the CP
ripe crane
Which Aspect?
rain sedge
I have 2 DD from athena to spare but I might not make it
eris, of course
bad people like me can only use that 😛
ripe crane
O
upper edge
running TD3 on 32 heat? you're braver than i am
rain sedge
45 heat
this could be the run
if I get it on this room, I'm pretty sure I'll just get it
upper edge
gl gl
rain sedge
it is on second sack
alright
I have 2 DD, patty's styx, splitting bolt, 5 athena dashes, and sea storm to boot
if I can't get it like this, I will never get it
got it
45 HEAT YEET
AND A FISH
upper edge
rain sedge
pretty sure this is one of my biggest gaming achievements
rain sedge
oh, you're right. bablo did 50 heat rail, and that's not on EM4
whoa, his heat distribution is wack
so different from my choice
ripe crane
Probably better? Ranged weapons can handle it better though, I preferred it to RI2 on Hestia,
loud coral
Man I’m still not ready for RI2 lmao, RI1 kinda sucks but losing out on the health sounds like hell
upper edge
Tailesque does 56 heat Rama runs, dude's a beast
loud coral
Rama seems really fun to use, I already maxed it out so I’ll probably try do get to 40 heat on now with it
ripe crane
I refuse to use RI. It's too helpful. I turned on AP2 for 51 Hestia before RI
loud coral
I already did 40 heat on spear, now I’m just trying to get it with all weapons
I mean Fated Keys sorts softens the blow of RI1 at least
ripe crane
RI1 is worth 4 heat by itself. You are massively depowering yourself without Dark Foresight and rerolls
I would not recommend using it at all for 40
loud coral
Alright then, guess I’ll just put the extra points into HL
I mean more and better boons should make up for it right?
ripe crane
It is such a massive increase in the yellow bordered rooms. You will have more health, be more powerful from boons and poms, can better shape your build with rerolls. Definitely worth
loud coral
I guess it’s one of those things you don’t notice until you stop using it
Well aside from the rerolls
rain sedge
how does that even work? I can't even begin to think what's the build
loud coral
Just take Deadly Strike and pray to RNGesus every shot is a crit
ripe crane
Basically. I used AP2 because Hestia's core build is very strong by itself, so as long as I was lucky enough to get those I had a chance. Lemme find screenshot
ripe crane
lost heath
heat 50 what in the world
ripe crane
Hestia stronk
lost heath
and here i thought heat 10 was hard
rain sedge
hmmm I kinda maybe see how this could work if you're lucky with RNG? I still don't get it
like... your build is basically 6 divine dash and a lv 2 deadly strike
ripe crane
Yes
rain sedge
I'm very confused on how you made TD3 even with CP2 and JS1
this is just so far beyond my imagination I think
the very few times I played hestia, it was very uncomfortable even at <5 heat
let me check if I even cleared hestia
ripe crane
Piercing shot early improves times a lot. Also people do not use special enough with hestia. It's still really good AoE damage
rain sedge
yeah, 0 times used for me. This was early on where I was limited in blood, and I resetted every run because I can't take the gameplay
congrats, this is super impressive
like, really, really impressive
ripe crane
Thanks :D . I need to bug Wriste about putting it on the spreadsheet.
rain sedge
if you got a video of it I'm super interested
without the TD3 maybe I can imagine... some sort of situation where you just stall... and somehow don't get overrun?
but not with the TD3. I mean some runs on 32 I still barely made it
oblique crane
Looks like it's been a bit, tail's 56 rama isn't on there yet
rain sedge
I suppose people can get +1 heat quite easily by doing hell mode, and cheating/modding until they get the necessary companion and weapon right
because all you need is what? mirror upgrades, companion, weapon
that's all easily moddable I think
ripe crane
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/790355811
CP2 doesn't add time unless it add shots. Think of how much overkill damage Hestia often does. If any enemy has 100 HP, and CP increases that to 130, it doesn't really matter because one Hestia shot kills it either way
So yes you can feel it, but less so than on other weapons
oblique crane
Would you pick ricochet over piercing?
ripe crane
Probably not, pierce has higher ceiling for hitting multiple enemies and the 50% armor damage pushes it over the edge imo
Ricochet is probably second choice
Explosive is also not bad, but the AoE is rather small
rain sedge
is there a bug where your victory screen show a different heat than the run?
oh nevermind you resetted at 8 mins
my fault
ripe crane
Okay I am watching this now and apparently I didn't crop this video correctly at all lmao
rain sedge
the resolution is weird, 600p o.O
ripe crane
Ya it picked that automatically I think so the game and video will both be smooth, my computer isn't the best
rain sedge
nah it's fine, it's just I've never seen 600p videos
usually it goes 360 to 480 to 720
thanks for showing me this, I can see why AP2 would work with hestia
and the divine dash covered a lot of the build weakness
it's cool how you carefully positioned your backstabs
ripe crane
Backstab is v important, especially early when your have few/no damage boons and especially on Artemis builds. Will definitely have your precious seconds when using TD3
Mainly this run I just got very lucky. Before this I did 50 and it was massively different. It was AP1, so I could just take boons constantly and the final build was much stronger. AP2 can give you so many garbage boons that I just avoided taking them whenever possible
obtuse saffron
Heat 32 for a Bow clear. What ASPECT and BOONS are recommended? Just tried Chiron with Aphro/Ares and I bled out in the EM3 fight due to time. 
obtuse saffron
Weakness and Doom stacking on Special was the idea.
ripe crane
Get yourself a nice Rama bow and put dio on the special
obtuse saffron
Applies the 40% exposure pretty easy and the Doom multi-stack was solid but I don't think I played aggressive enough.
rain sedge
oh, it works that way? I suppose I can see that working
so each chiron arrow gives extra doom stack, no internal cooldown?
obtuse saffron
There is a Ares boon for stacking, yeah. I thought it would be good but was okay. I believe it's increased damage on the Doom tick, up to 10?
rain sedge
yeah that's right, I just didn't realise it has no internal cooldown
zeus special, for example, wouldn't proc on every chiron arrow
anyway. in general there's 2 options for "easy" bow on 32
obtuse saffron
Yeah I just want x1 32 Bow clear. Up for any suggestions.
rain sedge
first one is to go full DPS, take weak on attack, artemis on special, heart rend, and get the aphro boons that give extra damage/stronger weak
there's very few situations where the ares build you mentioned will come close in terms of DPS to this build
a few good hammers and you're good to go
the second one is play safer and slower, especially if this is your first 32
obtuse saffron
Totally, I felt like it would have been awesome but turned out less than great. I'll give yours a go. Is that with Chiron or Rama?
32 with Rail and Sword done, trying to check off each weapon.
rain sedge
demeter special for easy 10 stack chill, abyssal blood for more slow, athena dash for safety, stack athena boons. artemis on attack for more damage reduction
it's on chiron
obtuse saffron
Roger, will screenshot this and give it a go in a bit.
rain sedge
better players than me can advice you on rama
it's just much harder to play than chiron I feel
there's also some heat setups that can make it easier. For example people usually think HS is free, which is just bad
you can PM me if you want
loud coral
All heats are free if you’re good enough 
bright crescent
rama is something along the lines of
special to mark a bunch of enemies
then use the chunky attack and get pseudo aoe with single target damage
its like the exact opposite of chiron which is converting special to single target
youre converting attack to aoe
if you need help or inspiration you can look up tailesque i believe hes the top rama player
rain sedge
I think chiron is definitely easier for "newer" player though
"newer" as in "not tail"
loud coral
Chiron hard-carried me until 32 heat, but I’ll probably start running Rama soon
bright crescent
chiron definitely is easier to play than rama for sure
rama needs more positioning skill so you can output more damage with more charge
rain sedge
there are certain hammer combinations that I believe will make even 46 heat very doable for chiron
rain sedge
yeah
bright crescent
hera can be a little tricky but its basically just normal bow
without cast
so its still viable
rain sedge
IIRC charged volley gets base damage, and does concentrated volley's +3 gets multiplied by that?
hera's trash don't @ me
it's just a worse beowulf
bright crescent
chiron doesnt get charged
bright crescent
i dunno about trash but at the very least, without casts its just a level 0 zagspect
which is still a decent weapon
rain sedge
I got it when I didn't have any heat and it feels very, very broken
yeah when I had no blood, bow was my favourite weapon
shotgunning people was fun
bright crescent
beowulf comes with some downsides
plus hera does pretty good with exit wounds because its got faster bloodstone drop
so exit wounds isnt normally as bad as it would be on non poseidon weapons
basically hera works really well with artemis’ whole tree including mirage shot, fully loaded, exit wounds
rain sedge
I'm not denying that with some boon combos it'll be workable, like quick reload and greater recall
but IMO all of it's strengths are done better on other weapons
bright crescent
i guess
rain sedge
i.e. beowulf with charged shot (which does way more damage than hera) or poseidon (if you want the exit wound aspect)
bright crescent
at least its not zag spear
rain sedge
yeah...
I tried doing 32 with it, it requires some really specific hammers to make it work
bright crescent
ive tried so many times to get a zag spear special run lol but its just... play gy or hades aspect..
ripe crane
Zag spear might be the worst weapon in the game? Idk the bonus thing does nothing
honest kernel
That moment when I enabled RI1 in my 40+ heat runs for the heck of it
loud coral
That moment when I was fully convinced I had to run RI for 40 heat
unreal pasture
but think if you get exploding launcher... Deadly Flourish... 9x chaos special boons ... and and... 40% special speed from Hermes
Yeah... Zag spear is a big ❓ I love pressing ... buttons that actively lower my dps...
loud coral
You got:
- Zag Spear
- Fun mobility weapon that's great for casts
- Fun spin weapon that's great for clusters of enemies and dealing good damage overall
- Better Zag Spear
unreal pasture
I guess Zag Spear has the best ... Chain Skewer spam... or something? But it's like... ...... I don't even know. It's hard to describe...
Did all the weapon aspects release at once, by the way? Or did they have a power creep?
It would be nice if the game had more animation speed changes from hammers (or attack speed equivalents from Hermes) but 🤷♂️
loud coral
Even then Hades is better for Chain Skewer
And yeah all the aspects aside from hiddens reveal themselves at the same time
unreal pasture
Yea, you push more damage per Skewer + odds of having Punishing Sweep up
Oh, I was thinking in terms of game development... if they put in these aspects one at a time
loud coral
I'm not sure about that actually
unreal pasture
Because some weapons Zag aspects are reasonably good... and then there's the spear... as an oddball that's like...
Doesn't seem to have any niche even
loud coral
I mean I know hammers were added and removed but I'm not sure about how they did aspects
unreal pasture
Ah, did they make Exploding + Chain incompatible at some point?
unreal pasture
Mmk
jolly burrow
What happens if you skit heat levels? Do you get multiple rewards? Miss out in the lower heat rewards? Only get the high heat reward, but the lower heat rewards are still gettable?
daring hedge
you still get your lowest rewards, no matter how high above your next bounty you go
so you will never miss out on any rewards
jolly burrow
Cool
craggy relic
There's a weird thing at 0-1 heat. Your rewards from "I cleared it with this weapon" aren't the same as "I cleared it with this weapon and heat"
But it doesn't matter in the end. Push whatever heat you want and you won't miss out on any diamonds/blood/feelings.
mossy zinc
@frail crane when is 50 Heat?
frail crane
Mm, might give it a go over Thanksgiving break, we'll see. Otherwise, probably not until the semester is over
loud coral
Please tell me I don't have to take RI2 for 50 heat
mossy zinc
What aspect are you going with?
@loud coral you have to take RI4 or it doesn't count.
frail crane
I'll probably start with Chaos or Talos
also you can skip RI4 it's not actually required except by Nyaanyaa >:3
loud coral
Well that's not very fun is it
mossy zinc
You should probably to TD2.
Chaos Aspect already had difficulty beating TD before 1.0. It's gonna be even more difficult now with a tighter deadline and probably worse room clearing.
It's not impossible, though, but it will rely a lot on good RNG.
dire steppe
i barely manage to get through td1 tbh
dire steppe
We should get Lc5. Healing makes you take 25% damage. Have fun taking Strong Drink
trim sigil
LC5 + RI4 to die (die)
maiden geode
TD2 quite doable unless you've been doing JS+CP+RI1
lyric drum
Question, do people that play on high heat use forced overtime? Do you recommend I learn to play with it (I'm around 10) or leave it for last?
rain sedge
for 32 heat, depending on the weapon, I use forced overtime 1 or 2
I would practice EM3 for around that heat and TD3
it's good to get practice on bosses, and to go fast
lyric drum
EM3 has been perma on for a while now 😄
Idk why, but I don't like tight deadline, even though I average like 6 minutes per zone lol
lyric drum
Ok, thanks 🙂
mossy zinc
If you want to get into 40+, just turn on FO2, and leave it on.
gaunt fiber
Just went into an Erebus gate and took 32 from a skull in tartarus
HL 3 btw
he's really enjoying that FO2
rain sedge
yeah so
I got to dad on 40 chiron
with EM4 and FO2
got heart rend, relentless, concentrated volley
I thought it'd be free
it's really not .
I feel like even with 1 extra DD from athena, and patty's styx, I will still lose that fight
that's really damn hard actually
honest kernel
That's part of the learning curve
EM4 is it's own beast
And so is FO2
Combine 'em together, you get the hardest challenge in the game
mossy zinc
Hades high heat is never free.
loud coral
Except LC
rain sedge
Meh, I thought I can get it done since I did EM4 and FO2 separately
Naive me
Don't think the other heat combo for Chiron is that enjoyable. I might give it 1 more try and close it out
sleek juniper
I mostly did my 32 heat on FO1 EM4 or EM3 FO2. Realizing that I need to drop back to like 19 heat to practice EM4/FO2 before jumping to 40 heat
honest kernel
@gaunt fiber you're supposed to avoid getting hit
honest kernel
Unless...secretly....||you like the onions||
gaunt fiber
honest kernel
I knew it.
rain sedge
Those skulls in FO2 with the speed benefit package are very fast
Anyway, I've done "speedrunning" and "high heat", what else is there to do for fun in this game?
rain sedge
Ah yeah, been there
gaunt fiber
I just want to have some time to at least try to improve at hades fight lol
But I did not try
rain sedge
Unironically though crepes, those 2 things matter so much for a run
sly remnant
i mean he was kind of making fun of how important those are to a run at high heat
gaunt fiber
Patty sure is a lifesaver
Idk if could clear without him (not that I cleared high heat once anyway)
sly remnant
its two things that are completely out of a player's control and decide almost all high-heat runs
rain sedge
Yeah
sly remnant
i'm not good enough to do a high-heat without them
rain sedge
I mean I love this game, but God it can be frustrating sometimes
Well Chiron and Eris do fine without them
Poseidon with quick reload and greater recall is free, but then you need those 2 boons
ripe crane
I've completed like one high heat run ever without patty, and that's because I was using a ranged weapon and had Athena call
gaunt fiber
yeah but your high heat is basically 55 so it's ok
gritty sorrel
kinda curious what input methods high heat runners are using, which devices, etc
i've never been so conscious of the particular responsiveness and guessing at the particular force response curves of controllers before i started playing this game 😛
upper edge
Damn, can't even imagine that
Do you exclusively use weapons that don't depend on the Q?
ripe crane
I started with PS4 controller and switched to the Nintendo procon, it feels perfect.
gritty sorrel
ps4 is great. (ps5 not so much)
misty hamlet
I do not ignore my Q. I just suffer
upper edge
May I recommend not suffering and buying a mouse with more buttons?
misty hamlet
I’m too stubborn to switch
upper edge
Or, ya know, just plug a controller
I'm sure you could make a GC controller work with Hades just fine
dreamy shuttle
for me its weird to switch to controller
i feel more in control with a keyboard and a mouse
misty hamlet
I don’t have an adapter for controllers
Well I have a crummy wired 360 controller I could use but I’ve got a lot of tjme with KBM and don’t feel like changing
The biggest nuisance is dashing over stuff in Elysium
dusty flint
i feel more in control with a keyboard and a mouse
@dreamy shuttle let the fates take the wheel
misty hamlet
I like being able to skate around while dash attacking in weird directions
true fable
maybe need to try switch more but not interested in grinding it until they add cross saves
only thing i dont like about kbm is only 8 directions
no idea how you high heat kbm people play with heightened security
lernie fight is nuts if its orange lernie
true fable
lol same
the worst feeling is calling a few frames late so he hits you and you waste call
:^)
misty hamlet
He is friends with Theseus he needs those wins every now and then it’s fine
true fable
yeah that definitely why i lose to asterius miniboss
dusty flint
Healthy perspective
true fable
no other reason
gritty sorrel
which controller?
gritty sorrel
interesting interesting
gritty sorrel
i have to go finally find mine and try it out, it sounds like
dusty flint
Also I feel the triggers only being on/off is an advantage in this game
In some games like fps's it's worse because you have no fire controll etc
gritty sorrel
so far i've used a steam controller, ps4 controller, ps5 controller, old xbox controller
gritty sorrel
no ps5, just the controller 😢
gritty sorrel
because i wanted to try it on pc and because i'd eventually want a second one when i finally got a ps5
dusty flint
Fair
I'm waiting till a ps5 pro or something releases and the originals price drops down
Also still need a 4k monitor
honest kernel
I got a 27 inch 4k monitor for 50 bucks on sale 🙌
gaunt fiber
I cleared 40 heat GY, no patty
upper edge
Charged Skewer?
north dove
Congrats
graceful torrent
@honest kernel where, got a link
gaunt fiber
Thanks !
rain sedge
You still end up at 160 HP I see
gaunt fiber
I got an early epic life affirmation
But as you can see, I did not take a hit from Hades (well the acorn did)
Health is not key, it's what I'm trying to say
I feel like your most likely going to lose if you choose hearts instead of boons etc
upper edge
the prevailing strategy with GY is, as always, "dont get hit"
gaunt fiber
Yeah basically
upper edge
If you're getting hit with GY it doesnt really matter how many centaur hearts you picked up
gaunt fiber
Yeah I was always at SD range, and 30% of a 50% life total is meh
true fable
i am also an eris abuser but trying to do beo/super soaker 40 soon
sly remnant
man i hit the 36 heat wall with super soaker
rain sedge
yeah miss me with beo
true fable
yeah those dracons man
rain sedge
none of the shield plays are enjoyable
true fable
they mess me up good
rain sedge
I might try super soaker
true fable
you say that but the dopamine receptors in my brain say otherwise
sly remnant
bruh beo is a blast
rain sedge
what's the actual build?
sly remnant
BIG PURPLE NUMBERS
true fable
beo give me dopamine
rain sedge
I see what you did there tyler lol
true fable
lol
true fable
big purple numbers always good
rain sedge
these numbers arent as big as chiron's numbers
true fable
you cant take damage if bosses cant move 
rain sedge
no lie
sly remnant
uh
true fable
ive hit an 8k beo shot
rain sedge
wha t.
sly remnant
i'm pretty sure beo's numbers are bigger
true fable
dont know if you can match that on chiron
rain sedge
am I setting it up badly
sly remnant
its the highest base damage in the game
rain sedge
what we doing? dio casts right, and get chaos boons?
rain sedge
I mean I had that one beo run on low heat with parting shot, that was juicy
rain sedge
I can't remember which, I tried both the 3 ammo one and the 5s cooldown one
sly remnant
5s cooldown always
rain sedge
they were not enjoyable
sly remnant
you don't want your casts hangin out in fog
true fable
stygian beo gang rise up
rain sedge
what's the rush delivery for
true fable
rush delivery + hyper sprint is a poor man's dad keepsake
yeah idk if i'd do em4 on 40
sly remnant
i would have been fine
true fable
maybe since beo doesnt really care about bosses
rain sedge
I got the perfect chiron setup for 45 today, and got smacked hard by EM4
sly remnant
if i'd literally got anything other than ares and athena
beo does not care about bosses
sly remnant
not taking EM4 on beo is a throw i'm pretty sure
rain sedge
any videos on it?
dusty flint
not taking EM4 on beo is a throw i'm pretty sure
@sly remnant git gud lol
rain sedge
I mean shield was my last 32, and it felt like draining blood from stone
true fable
check out ellomenop's 32 heat beo run on speedrun.com
rain sedge
cool thanks
sly remnant
i mean speedrunning with beo has weird rules
beyond any heat
the end of beo runs are the EASY part
rain sedge
hmmmm
I mean I might try it? maybe?
I have tonight to play this game, and I'm out
I was gonna do chiron 40s
sly remnant
heroes are a joke
meg, load casts, empty
load casts empty
load casts empty
fight over
true fable
i love getting the midfight dialogue right as one of them dies too
"i shall smite you demon" dies
celest cloak
I kind of wonder what max god mode high heat would look like. Might be interesting to see it optimized, but it also seems like the thing that nobody would do.
rain sedge
yeah I see that video
I'm sold, I'll pick it up for bounties on low heat today
that being said, he did have greater reload and basically optimal chaos boons though
true fable
you need one chaos stone basically
any more than that is nice but not necessary
always save two rolls for your first chaos if you do stygian beo or you will be sad
true fable
also you literally take whatever bs curse chaos gives you for the extra stone
rain sedge
I feel like
epic greater reload mattered so much that run
ok, will update you all later. I have maybe 12 heat? on shield for bounties
so it'll be low
upper edge
I kind of wonder what max god mode high heat would look like. Might be interesting to see it optimized, but it also seems like the thing that nobody would do.
@celest cloak I think that would be an actual popular category if spinning up god mode wasnt a bore
sly remnant
LMFAO
rain sedge
how did you get there bright lmfao
upper edge
Did you really get -48 ma-- hahahahhaa
cerulean frigate
ez
gaunt fiber
Objective : more casts than hp
upper edge
You absolute mad lad
mossy zinc
FO2 Hades with Beowulf and DC2 is not the most fun with RI3. No idea how it is without RI3, I never practiced it without lol.
That was pretty brutal even in Blood Price with +400% Charged Flight.
true fable
dc2 sounds like it sucks with beo
dire steppe
Max god mode high heat
So, high heat but with HL0 lol
true fable
im happy to take dc1 but dc2 sounds terribad
mossy zinc
Well, I wanted to beat 56 in Blood Price, so I had no other choice but to practice that lol.
Well.
I could have done DC0 and RI4 instead, but no thank you. 
cerulean frigate
RI6 when
dire steppe
I should try runs with LC4 but mirror reset so I don’t have SD
Sounds like it could be fun
mossy zinc
That's a very good idea if you want to practice for 40+.
dire steppe
Cause LC4 RI4 is just.. no
mossy zinc
Though at low 40s, you can still get away with DDs if you want.
sly remnant
eh thats weapon dependent
mossy zinc
I don't think it has much to do with the weapon at 40.
The first 40+ runs we did were like half DD users, half SD users.
I think SD is definitely the better choice, but we didn't know that yet then and still managed lol.
sly remnant
what is possible and what is good are two different things
cerulean frigate
SD is just a lot of healing. and touch of styx dark is pretty cheap. it's like a 15 chamber hydralite that works on lc4
i just don't really like how it interferes with pacing/flow and it feels gamey to fish for athena dds
mossy zinc
Yeah, but I'm too competitive to not use it when I know it's just better lol.
You kinda get used to it and don't think too much about it, at least.
cerulean frigate
its only problem is if you don't get patty 2 sack for em4 and another DD or 2 to work with
true fable
its funny how as i got better at the game my opinion went from athena good to athena overrated to literal monotheistic devotion to athena
cerulean frigate
but honestly by the time you're regularly running SD lc4 you probably also just leave TD3 on for 90% of the weapons anyway too
so the 2 sack bit is maybe a little moot
waxen relic
that's not me
sly remnant
the only time i'll run anything less than TD3 is on supersoaker
because supersoaker is SLOOOOOWWWWW
true fable
just get chamber 4 sea storm ez
mossy zinc
You might think different at 50.
true fable
unironically though ive started resetting super soaker runs if i dont get sea storm in tartarus
loud coral
Sea Storm doesn't even work on armored enemies
sly remnant
i run antos and TD2 to deal with harpies on super soaker
true fable
antos is a good shout
loud coral
I'm pretty sure the lightning from Sea Storm doesn't work if the enemy (not bosses) is resistant to knockback, probably wrong though
true fable
it might not shock them but you need the dmg
loud coral
I just run Zeus in Tartarus, then purge it once I get Poseidon
true fable
sea storm is more about scaling your abysmal tempest strike dmg than it is about CC
loud coral
Better option: Run doom lasers and just rotate Zag like it's a rave party
sly remnant
is dead
true fable
merciful end lucifer is really funny with eternal chamber
rain sedge
omg
true fable
will not lie
rain sedge
mercifule nding lucifer
ok you got there first
I was thinking
the special triggers deflect right
leave it there
and the cannon give doom
loud coral
Are you gonna ME the doom with the special or dash though?
true fable
dire misfortune + impending doom = 1000 damage per doom
sly remnant
and thats saying something
loud coral
Just run Zeus and Support Fire with Eternal Chamber, miles better imo
That was my first Lucifer run ever actually
rain sedge
does fully loaded work with beowilf?
cerulean frigate
you can still get pressure points and support fire so yes
loud coral
I mean it should, it's just a bloodstone bonus
loud coral
I swear 50% of the non-cast runs I do end with me having Fully Loaded 
Never the actual cast builds
sly remnant
how
loud coral
Dude I have no idea
cerulean frigate
probably because support fire and pressure points are applicable to almost everything
loud coral
I just take Support Fire then Artemis just starts bleeding Fully Loaded, only on non-cast runs though
sly remnant
clean kill
rain sedge
sudden rush or charged shot on beo?
sly remnant
sudden rush is hard to control but cool
loud coral
Sudden probably
rain sedge
you had me at "easier to play"
sly remnant
ii've played a lot of beo
loud coral
Now I know not to take Charged Shot 
true fable
hunters mark is good
on no DC
with DC i kind of feel stupid taking it
charged shot beo is good
cerulean frigate
even with DC it still ends up crit chaining anyway
sly remnant
it'll still increase your clear speed a lot even with DC
true fable
sudden rush has messed up too many of my beo runs
especially when you have to block dad
sly remnant
i'm trying to learn it but its hards
cerulean frigate
don't load the casts when you need to sit and block
just load them as you release along the way
true fable
yeah it more just happens every now and then and its annoying
my muscle memory is just trained for a certain charge length yfeel
i will almost always take charged shot on beo though
feels right
sly remnant
i ffeel like when i take charged shot i take more damage than normal
true fable
probably losing pseudo dash
might be placebo in my head but it seems like i can shoot the charged shot faster than i can bull rush
sly remnant
whats your boon pool
true fable
did you pom your cast at all
rain sedge
lv4 rare
true fable
1-3 poms before elysium is ideal
weird
that sounds perfect
might just not be your weapon
rain sedge
I mean the 5s wait before being able to do anything is kinda painful
I have divine dash mind yhou
rain sedge
have poseidon attack
mossy zinc
lol you might as well have no Attack.
true fable
tempest strike actively pushes enemies out of your beo cast lmao
you want flourish or splash dash
rain sedge
well I got a common auto reload, yay...
sly remnant
i mean you don't need rarity on auto reload
true fable
auto reload is just to unlock bad news right
sly remnant
i mean 2.5s refill on your main source of damage
true fable
i never go down that route because hyper rushed feels more reliable but that was my impression
sly remnant
is perfectly fine on its own
true fable
i guess
it never really feels that significant when i have >1 cast stone but i also cant say ive taken auto reload too often
rain sedge
I mean the 900 damage casts are cool but
rain sedge
aite sick I got +1 cast
in elysium
let's see if it works now
no way .
the damage on attack counts bull rush
I'm screwed
yea unplayable, I can't cast or attack
GG all, thanks for guidance, I won't be visiting beo again
rain sedge
50 heat meme build hmm
north dove
I feel like I got the Hades fight down, I could probably win with a bunch of janky builds
north dove
Yup
true fable
nice
rain sedge
I just watched haelian got merciful ending on fist on bloody tartarus
I can see how this is broken
gaunt fiber
One day I'll be a high heat hero too
unreal pasture
I'm not sure Blade Dash is a meme ... to be honest but
The legendary seems like it should do so much damage it can carry, but 🤷♂️
upper edge
Attack speed aint increasing your damage nearly as much as +3 splash dashes will
Not to mention all the OTHER reasons taking three more dashes is better
upper edge
Ah right I'm dum
slow viper
no problem haha
upper edge
In that case no idea
upper edge
It's pretty good, yeah
slow viper
I already got the hammer for extra atk speed and bullets, so even more attack speed might be overkillI do get hit sometimes
upper edge
But if you dont get hit in the first place it doesnt do anything
upper edge
Then it's probably good, yeah
rain sedge
I mean evasion talent is meh
On Eris you range it, and get acorn
You should aim to play offensively imo
slow viper
oh there you are
true fable
the problem with ME is that AP1 disassembles it unless you really want to reset a lot
but its the fist build im comfortable with atm
zeus attack fists seems fun though
ripe crane
Retrash is literally out of his mind
Do you just let dad chase you around?
Imma need to peep that vid 👀
gaunt fiber
Maybe 50 heat is a way to repent
ripe crane
All you gotta do is turn on TD2 and suddenly you actually have time to think
gaunt fiber
that's true
ripe crane
However I'm gonna try the opposite direction, which is turn up everything except HL so I can be as reckless as I want
gaunt fiber
MONEY
cerulean frigate
and that's why the "you should always fill your core boon slots to see other stuff!!!!" argument is not the strongest
rain sedge
Hmm, I only used FO2 and EM4 and I still died
Yeah, I'm not gonna get that 50
That EM4 is too hard
gaunt fiber
"only"
upper edge
EM4 FO2 is really, really hard
rain sedge
Because I did 45, and I only need EM4 and HS to get 50
gaunt fiber
FO2 is enough
rain sedge
I plan to cheese HS with sure footing
gaunt fiber
Honestly
rain sedge
But I think its way harder than I thought
gaunt fiber
just don't walk on traps
upper edge
just don't walk on traps
@gaunt fiber Good luck avoiding green jars when daddy summons three in the same damn spot
gaunt fiber
ikr
rain sedge
just dont get hit lul
gaunt fiber
how good is your dps against dad with eris ?
cerulean frigate
It's Eris. if you did anything close to meta with it your DPS will be faster than almost everything in the game.
rain sedge
^
rain sedge
EM4 😦
cerulean frigate
the problem is when you have to play the fight still because you whiffed cluster rockets
can't instantly phase him
upper edge
I would suggest always rolling cluster rockets instead of not doing that
cerulean frigate
just get perfect hammers every time on every weapon
stop seeing flaring spin, chain skewer and quick spin on Hades spear, for example. ez
gaunt fiber
or just don't play weapons that rely on hammers 
edgy arrow
“eris is reliant on hammers” is a bit of a hot take lol
guess everything’s reliant on hammers at 50 idk
cerulean frigate
eris is reliant on pressing a button that does damage
gaunt fiber
three
cerulean frigate
also it was never insinuated eris relied on hammers. just that a specific combo straight up might as well be a Hades skip
gaunt fiber
^
dire steppe
guan yu without charged skewer
gaunt fiber
guan yu without charged skewer
@dire steppe it's so sad really
edgy arrow
not convinced nem is even a weapon without double edge tbh
rain sedge
any spear without serrated edge yikes
gaunt fiber
Well actually, GY without serrated is fine
rain sedge
well gy is spam special
gaunt fiber
because you skewer things 
cerulean frigate
even with serrated point the base damage on the spear dash attack is only 20
cerulean frigate
right up until you have all your stones lodged and can't really afford to wait around for them to pop out because of deadline
dire steppe
tbh don’t ever put blood into guan yu just leave it at level 1 and have godmode on
edgy arrow
imagine not being able to kill your target with all your casts
edgy arrow
even in elysium tbh
bosses yeah
although with a good build you can phase them with one volley
ngl i wouldn’t mind serrated point as well tho
rain sedge
imagine cast achilles without quick reload
cerulean frigate
you could reroll 4 times on hermes and still not see quick reload
edgy arrow
does happen sadly
i still think achilles is way less hammer dependant than other spears
cerulean frigate
and rerolling past extra dashes is kind of silly
edgy arrow
truth
rain sedge
did yall see my 5 athena dashes run
don't think I've been that lucky, ever
I used to think extra dashes to be bad
even took the +damage dash
gaunt fiber
did yall see my 5 athena dashes run
@rain sedge yes
rain sedge
the crutch of all crutches
ripe crane
Fast elite witches ruining my perfect starts makes me never want to play this game again
gaunt fiber
I feel you
ripe crane
Chamber 7 ME wasted 
ripe crane
Yes
gaunt fiber
Do you guys like it tho ?
ripe crane
I've seen it activate 0 times ever
gaunt fiber
ok, same here
rain sedge
chamber 7 ME wasted would make me quit tbh
daring hedge
almost cleared 51 EM4 with serrated point, rip
rain sedge
I mean some of my failures include chamber 8 sea storm and 7 cast poseidons, sometimes I wake up at night and remember those runs
isn't 51 heat low heat for you tail 😉
is this hades?
daring hedge
lol
gaunt fiber
damn
daring hedge
yeah
rain sedge
thanks for the hades advice btw, I got my 32 with it with serrated point
rain sedge
tail here can speak more, but I feel that with serrated point it's a very viable weapon
daring hedge
phase 1 went amazing, then i took a full swing combo's worth of damage in phase 2 and it went downhill from there
made it to phase 3 at least
rain sedge
without it, I feel that it does too little damage
I suppose some hammer combos would make it work, but serrated point felt mandatory
gaunt fiber
Serrated is indeed an incredible hammer
daring hedge
yeah, it made the whole run a breeze aside from EM4, where it hurts a lot
gaunt fiber
but the -25% is deadly
daring hedge
i'd say any spear at high heat is rather tough
gaunt fiber
I had a lot of pain with GY so I wanted to try Hades lol
rain sedge
didn't you do 40 with GY
gaunt fiber
yeah
rain sedge
actually disgusting
daring hedge
you'll probably have an easier time with hades yeah, and it depends on how high heat you mean
daring hedge
hades will do great at 43, yeah
north dove
Serrated point feels like a trap. Great at clearing the run up to Hades where the dodge penalty really hurts
daring hedge
i'm pretty disappointed that the dash penalty got rolled back to the harsher -25%
feels unnecessarily tough, but oh well
i guess it's to balance its strength at lower heat levels
gaunt fiber
Do you aim for any duos ?
for Hades I mean
Or just Arte attack then whatever the game throws
daring hedge
mostly try to go heavy into artemis and get hunter's mark
pretty much the latter yeah lol
daring hedge
yeah, heart rend is always nice on hades, especially if you get exploding launcher
slow viper
Guys
daring hedge
aphro dash-strikes into deadly flourish is great
slow viper
do you know whats the chance for extra legendaries with God's legacy?
the actual change
rain sedge
he's trying to decide whether to take god's legacy or the epic chance for eris 32 heat
daring hedge
yeah, rarity isn't hugely important on eris with how it's mostly played and how it works
while splitting bolt and sea storm are ideal grabs
rain sedge
someone digged through the .lua file to see the exact percentages right
IIRC it was something like 10% for legendary when you qualify?
daring hedge
interesting, is that a flat 10% per trio or 10% for each slot out of the three?
aka does it roll once or three times
etc
rain sedge
no so
like
before the mirror, I remembered someone digged the lua file to find the actual percentages
let me try to find it
@slow viper
true fable
note that ello calculated those with the idea that you would be offered 1 core boon if you dont have all of them filled
so this isnt percent chance for each slot it's overall
and it obviously doesnt apply to approval process stuff in that case
daring hedge
ahh i see, thanks for the clarification
rain sedge
Oof Chiron 40 is way hard
dire steppe
chiron JS3TD3
rain sedge
Js1 td3