just learn the boss
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
acorn for keepsake
also chiron if you get good hammers makes stuff very, very trivial
cinder cave
acorn better than spearpoint for EM4?
rain sedge
by quite a lot
cinder cave
ok thankjs
rain sedge
errrrr actually, on low heat....
north dove
Depends on Doomstone rng (:
unreal pasture
It's kind of dependent on RNG... if you get Butterfly balls 😂
unreal pasture
Depends on what adds
cinder cave
right now i'm just practicing EM4 and FO1 for climbing
just naked EM4 FO1 as nyaanyaa suggested
unreal pasture
@north dove Oh, do you mind posting a screencap of how many runs it took the heat 50 clear? I would say I'm a bit frustrated with high heat? 😂 Tilt gaming
cinder cave
i'm kinda aiming for beyond 32 tho so
rain sedge
especially with TD3. unlucky sack + 3 phases = you just die to TD
cinder cave
well 32 for now obviously but
unreal pasture
I think I've done like 50-60 runs of Hades Spear and Rama bow and it really does feel like a rng grindfest
rain sedge
ah, I'm just 32, then done with game
cinder cave
that's fair
north dove
I honestly couldn't tell you, most of them reset after getting cursed slash on the first hammer
north dove
AP2
unreal pasture
Yea
unreal pasture
Yep
north dove
That 50 heat win was the most ridiculously good rng I've ever seen
unreal pasture
I think just playing Shackle is the play in AP2... but meh
Since you at least get some consistent value, until a boon ruins your build
unreal pasture
The classic run ruined by an RNG hammer... sounds fun 😏
rain sedge
im on a 32 hades with serrated point
just need 1 good spin hammer and I'm gucci
and patty, pls
hades is very RNG not gonna lie
daring hedge
you don't really need any of the spin hammers on hades with enough practice
unreal pasture
That's kind of the backbone of rogue/roguelikes
daring hedge
the increased range on every level of spin helps
daring hedge
thank you! 
bronze viper
Wowowow ⏩ 🦊 ⏩
rain sedge
I had the perfect hades run, took a 80% dash strike chaos boon with 80% enemy extra or something
and died on the last chamber of it
I hate myself, almost broke my controller
I'll never get such a perfect boon again
daring hedge
aww dang, you'll get there again
rain sedge
I think the serrated point needs to be seeded
but I'm on switch so I just have to restart until I get it
unreal pasture
I just punted one on AP2 where I got insane boons and serrated point 😞
rain sedge
exploding launcher or charged skewer for 32 heat zag spear?
loud coral
Yeah, the normal skewer isn’t really that good
Hades makes it deal more damage but it’s still slow, and Achilles makes it faster but you should be dashing with it anyway
Exploding Launcher is really good, much more effective than the normal skewer and can take care of small groups well
rain sedge
yeah, this might be the run
because I can range it
it would seem that I suck otherwise
cerulean frigate
Well, today I learned that elysium strongbows in erebus gates can shoot eight times in a row instead of only three
very cool
daring hedge
lmao yeah superelite strongbows are just ridiculous if you don't burst them down immediately
cerulean frigate
you can get a strongbow in an asphodel gate
edgy arrow
i’d honestly rather have a superelite chariot than a chariot with the wrong BP combo
speeder FO2 chariots are just ridiculous
north dove
Rewatching my video I noticed one Hades' pots took 2 of my acorn charges for some reason. I can't tell why that happened.
unreal pasture
there might be multiple instances of damage (multiple damage points) but you never get to see yourself get hit for 30x2 or 150x2 or x? because you're impervious?
Whereas Acorn... seemingly does not give you iframes or that impervious?
I feel like I've been hit by pots that I've dashed through, which would lead me to believe something like this
north dove
I dunno, the only other pot was far below where I was so I couldn't have been hit by the 2
and Hades was in his phase change
cerulean frigate
if it's em4 you can end up with 2 pots stacked on top of each other
daring hedge
pot spawns shoving you into a phase transition wave before they're even really visible also shouldn't be a thing
alas, oh well
just... why
daring hedge
lol
before i realized it was because of the pots, i seriously was wondering if hades had some secret phase 3 move where he could pull you around
daring hedge
luckily i did lol, that was from the 55 heat clear
rain sedge
if I lost a 55 heat clear like that, I would just never play the game again ngl
rain sedge
died on 32 heat last phase dad because I got 3 sacks and patty's defiance ran out
this is just frustrating tbh
tidal flame
sorry to hear that. but if you got that close, you can certainly do it.
true fable
if you're not havin fun with it i find that just crushing things on low heat is a therapeutic break too
it'll always be there when you come back to it
edgy arrow
yeah any heat speedruns are gloriously cathartic
i’m not even fast but i still feel like a god
humble storm
I love Hades so I decided the make a challenge
Guan Yu Is Coming
Use the Guan Yu aspect of Varatha (any level can work)
No Keepsakes that raise maximum health or the rate of health recovery (Old Spiked Collar, Harpy Feather Duster, etc)
No boons that raise raise maximum health or rate of health recovery (Life Affirmation, Premium Vintage, Etc)
Maximum Lasting Consequences and Extreme Measures
More heat can be added if wanted
This is actually the first thing i've ever posted here, hopefully it's actually a fun challenge. Feel free to edit some stuff for your own personal challenge if you want to.
And if I need to repost this somewhere else, just tell me
humble storm
beats me, i literally just joined the server 
true fable
but yeah i think the weekly challenges were something similar
humble storm
thanks for telling, hopefully I didn't copy anything on accident
true fable
not at all, would be fun if someone brought them back
ripe crane
Eternal chamber somehow sucks even with sea storm
It took me literally 5 minutes to get through dad phase 1
trim sigil
The "eternal" there stands for boss fighting times, frankly
true fable
eternal chamber is such a trap
and im convinced it's only picked because the reload animation for lucifer feels so bad when the gun hangs
mossy zinc
I've had 0 runs where I felt chaos is good
I get that people love it, but yeah
I need to see a video of people doing it
I just can't get it
@rain sedge that's been me for all of early access.It just never feels good or fun for me. Chaos Aspect and I don't vibe at all.
brittle mirage
What?
I,absolutely love Malphron with the aspect of Gilgamesh. The one I got my,new record on was so God damn easy i melted everyone. I upgraded all the way so that the maim after damage is 400. But the thing is dash strike is so op. Especially since it gives you rapid dash which can allow you to sometimes dash twice for one dash but acts as one, so really you can dash 3 times for 2, I often kill the enemies before maim can deal its damage, I saved it for bosses, I annihilated Hades, defeated him in like a minute 30 seconds (edited
Not to mention I had the special doom effect that was epic and deals 100 doom damage and it was timed perfectly qith the maim so I would deal 500 damage, but thats not all cause I had the artemis boon on that any damage I deal has a chance to be critical and it was epic but used several poms on so instead of 4 it was 6 and if my maim damage was critical it would 1500 damage at bes
I also had an astonishingly good posiden boon, the tidal wave which was epic but I pomed it 4 times so,it did like over a hundred damage and if your rapidly dashing your hitting them for over a hundred several times already and I had the boon from,him where if they were slammed into a wall they would take 200 plus damamg
unreal pasture
Chaos can get pretty troll in AP2 ... but you still almost always take it if on TD3... 
I love when I get me some ... more monsters per encounter, thus basically taking away whatever time you removed from entering Chaos' chamber
unreal pasture
@brittle mirage Putting that Maim up can be pretty dangerous on some bosses... and heats, I think it might multiply the +100% dmg from HL5. So, to put that into perspective (I think the base of Hade's spin is 40) 40->80->120
Instead of just being a +150% or 40->100
I like Gilgamesh quite a bit myself, though... but I can't figure out builds that make it work in very high heat
brittle mirage
it can be but you know you also deal like +25 % damage to enemies so more often than not i defeat enemies before maim takes effect
unreal pasture
Yea... I kind of find that a tad annoying about its rotation as well...
brittle mirage
just dash strike constantly, you melt them so fast
unreal pasture
The monster needs to have a ton of HP to be worth maiming
I think the dash strike might technically be lower dps... kind of another issue with the base kit of the weapon
brittle mirage
but i maim just to get that extra damage percent
its not tho
i deal way more damage when i dash strike vs normal strike
you also attack faster with dash strike
because youre not going through all 3 phases of the attack, youre just rapidly repeating the first attack
unreal pasture
Normal strike is 60 on Gilgamesh and I think the dash strike is 20... but it is a matter of whether you can get more dash strikes in the window of one attack... I don't think you can get three, but I could be wrong
But if you have a Dash boon, that changes things
brittle mirage
i will literally stream it to you
ive done high heat runs without having any attack or dash strike boons
and still won
unreal pasture
Mmm, I usually tried to force splash dash on TD3 ... to get time but 🤷♂️ I only tried like 3-5 high heat runs on Gilgamesh
brittle mirage
i will stream gameplay of me using the Gilgamesh so we can clear this up, im absolutely convinced dash strike is faster and more powerful
unreal pasture
Demeter's burst is just... really too good to not play, it felt like
unreal pasture
Mmk, yeah, I was thinking like 32+
Gilgamesh was really nice for clearing up to 20 (and I would suspect 20-32)
brittle mirage
i cant get up to 32 yet, but itll take me far i know that
it just melts
speaking of which im about to play Hades, care to watch?
unreal pasture
I usually have quite bad internet, so I'd have to test and see if it's watchable :\
unreal pasture
Ah, nvm. I think I'm just gonna play myself 😂 thanks anyway, though
wraith imp
TIL (after 600+ runs in this game) that you can simply hold down the special button on rama special and it will keep firing. LOLWTFBBQ. None of the other bow aspects have this. And besides rama, only the attacks of fist aspects and rail aspects have this "hold to repeat fire" ability.
/Great non-existent explanation SGG.
//Thanks, Amir.
unreal pasture
The Exagryph actually has it as well
You can hold down the button and it will go until it empties
It's ... quite nice on your hands
Not having to button mash constantly
Holding down the button can become a bad/lazy habit on some weapons but 🤷♂️
mossy zinc
There's no way you're getting better DPS on Gilgamesh with Dash-Strikes than with normal Attacks unless you have Tidal Dash or ME.
unreal pasture
ain't nobody got time to play perfect every run 😏
mossy zinc
Like, all of the damage then only comes from ME or Tidal Dash.
unreal pasture
Yea, this is what I was about thinking, tbh...
I can't get through TD3 on Gilgamesh without splash dash
mossy zinc
Your base Dash-Strike is adding basically nothing.
I mean, still something, but it's just tickling them lol.
unreal pasture
And then Asphodel is still ? I can't think a way of pushing more DPS here... because you kind of screwed yourself with splash dash
mossy zinc
Breaching Cross is obviously still amazing for armor damage.
TD3 with JS3 etc. or just TD3 on its own?
unreal pasture
I definitely played with both
mossy zinc
Hmmm.
TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 was pretty brutal in Tartarus when I tried it. I only made it out twice—with Heartbreak Strike and Curse of Agony.
wraith imp
How have I gone 180 hours without knowing this?
@loud coral
I've gone 1,000 hours. (I've actually played hades more than any other game in my library. For instance, I only have 520 hours on witcher and 650 hours on mgsv.)
unreal pasture
On Gilgamesh?
mossy zinc
Gilgamesh, yes.
unreal pasture
And yeah. I think I turned of damage control on Gilgamesh because ... the base attack is actually so slow
wraith imp
btw, i straight up do not understand how merciful end does or does not work on zeus shied.
it seems merciful end only triggers when i dash through an enemy but rotations of zeus shield (with athena special) doesn't trigger merciful end. Why? Does someone have an explanation?
proud jay
it does work with zeus shield special
unreal pasture
I haven't messed with CP0-2 enough to know if it messes with your time a lot aside boss times... since certain weapons break point just one shots stuff (Hades Spear/Rama attack)
proud jay
just sort of awkward to use
wraith imp
it doesn't for me. i literally stood there in styx and tried to make it work. it would not trigger on athena special.
i did all 5 chambers and merciful end triggered a grand total of 0 times on special.
but as soon as i would dash through an enemy, boom...lots of merciful ends.
unreal pasture
It could be bugged 🤷♂️
wraith imp
and to test it, i would intentionally deploy shield into a useless corner with no enemies.
so that i could separate dash from shield.
no merciful ends on zeus special, lots of merciful ends as soon as i dashed through an enemy
mossy zinc
@proud jay I think "who is this new guy?" every time I look at your new profile pic until I look at the name.
proud jay
gone are the days of stupid sexy flanders' butt
mossy zinc
@unreal pasture yeah, it's like you said: some aspects don't really care much if it's on or not, and others, it really hurts.
wraith imp
i took lots of needless damage trying to trigger merciful end on zeus shield with athena special.
fortunately, i had like 600+ health and all 4 death defiances. no luck.
I might do another run just so i can f10 it to sgg.
unreal pasture
Yea... I don't tend to try to play Hades/Arthur with DC on ... it just frustrates me
Damage control hiding armor also annoys me a lot... because I can't know if i'm going to hitstun the thing
So it actually ruins the fists in a lot of ways
brittle mirage
I,love Excalibur so much, you can time your dash swings to nail enemies with your 3rd swing
mossy zinc
If only that worked as well at 40+. 
wraith imp
nah, nemesis is superior in many ways to arthur - including speed and maneuverability
arthur, while clunky, is kinda fun as an artemis tank build
mossy zinc
I think both have a lot of issues at 40+ compared to, like, bow or spear.
wraith imp
nemesis?
i'd rather use nemesis than spear on high heat.
/thanks to improvement on rama, spear is now my worst weapon
wraith imp
which hammer? double edge?
wraith imp
but once you have it plus artemis dash, it's GO TIME!
on spear, i struggle if i don't have quick spin
i know everyone talks about serrated point, but i don't see what's so good about it
mossy zinc
Yeah, until you need to i-frame anything because all your dashes are on CD lol.
You don't see it?
+150% damage and 3 hits is way better than +15% crit chance and 2 hits.
Stygius Dash-Strike hitbox is also very narrow.
loud coral
But what about the dash range???????
wraith imp
"+150% damage and 3 hits"
on serrated point?
mossy zinc
Hades Aspect.
loud coral
If you have Deadly or a good percentage boon then it's insane
mossy zinc
3 hits Serrated Point, +150% damage from Punishing Sweep.
wraith imp
ok...so i have questions about hades aspects.
i don't get punishing sweep
like...when is the damage buff?
i see no change in damage.
mossy zinc
+15% crit chance ends up to be just +30% average damage.
loud coral
After the spin hits them
wraith imp
i've done it on skelly and the numbers stay the same.
mossy zinc
It only applies to Attack, Dash-Strike, and Special.
Your spin doesn't get any extra damage.
wraith imp
hmm...time to fire up the game again and test it
loud coral
It's really solid imo, plus it's super fun with Massive Spin
trim sigil
Yeah you can't get chad dmg on spins
loud coral
You usually don't need any spin hammers unless it's just personal preference
mossy zinc
Only weapon I haven't cleared 40+ with yet is Stygius, and I feel like 50 Heat bow or RI4 40 Heat bow is easier lol.
wraith imp
i noticed that the hades aspect spin is bigger but couldn't figure out when punishing sweep was working
trim sigil
Meanwhile the only weapon I cleared 40 with is stygius
Just need poseidon one for full collection
loud coral
I'll probably do Sword for 40 heat as my second weapon for it tbh
mossy zinc
I should probably just do it with Poseidon Aspect, so I don't have to play sword lol.
loud coral
Poseidon and Phalanx Shot isn't as good as with Achilles but it's still solid
trim sigil
But then it's just worse achilles spear smhmh
wraith imp
wait...so does massive spin hammer make hades aspect spin GINORMOUS? is it even offered with hades aspect?
loud coral
Yes and yes
wraith imp
i'll have to give it a shot.
mossy zinc
You really don't need Quick Spin, by the way.
wraith imp
so @mossy zinc what were you saying about serrated point?
do you recommend only for hades aspect?
mossy zinc
It's great on Guan Yu, too.
trim sigil
mossy zinc
I don't play the other spears.
trim sigil
Massive spin hades
mossy zinc
I mainly just play Guan Yu, and I did one run with Hades at 41 or 40 lol.
true fable
massive spin does make hades spin larger
wraith imp
maybe it's because of proportions but that doesn't seem large.
true fable
though i guess now you have visual proof
max charge hades massive spin covers basically the entire screen
mossy zinc
How does that not seem large? lol
loud coral
The damage buff with Massive Spin is super good on Hades if you have DC0 too
true fable
but you also probably shouldnt be max charge spinning lol
trim sigil
It literally covered the whole room in width
wraith imp
i just did a max spin in courtyard and the spin covered good 75-80% of it.
maybe the spin in the image is not a max spin?
mossy zinc
It's zoomed out more in Elysium.
trim sigil
Looking at how small the chariot is, it definitely is zoomed out
wraith imp
yeah, it's one of those things i'll need to see for myself.
mossy zinc
43 feet is large.
wraith imp
but in courtyard, there's a clear difference between max spin and normal spin.
43 feet is large.
@mossy zinc
yeah, i have the wayne enterprises surveillance sonar machine from the dark knight.
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
That is also 43'.
loud coral
Isn't most of the spin coming from the staff at that point?
Like otherwise it'd have to be one massive spear
mossy zinc
I'm sweet, but no one's called me jelly before. 
wraith imp
first time for everything ms. regina george!
loud coral
God I forgot how awful AP1 RI1 feels
mossy zinc
lol I tried RI4 AP1 today at 40.
wraith imp
spear spin can't backstab...dammit.
mossy zinc
lol
The spin is just to apply the debuff, anyway.
Obviously it's nice when it one-shots some trash mobs, too.
Max spin isn't necessary to apply the debuff. You can just release it immediately.
Using Dash for the release gives you good forward momentum for the spin.
And the Dash is invincible like any regular empty dash.
wraith imp
And the Dash is invincible like any regular empty dash.
@mossy zinc
Please explain this part. I'm not familiar with this.
mossy zinc
?
mossy zinc
Empty dash has i-frames. Dash-Strikes do not have i-frames.
true fable
how did you find out about hades spin dash having i frames lol
feels like a very specific thing to know
mossy zinc
From the #1 Hades (and Hades Aspect) player.
wraith imp
Once again, great explanation SGG.
Thanks, Amir.
loud coral
Oh damn Sure Footing is busted against HS, I knew it was broken but 3 damage from spikes with an epic SF is 
Was actually frustrating from how long it took to die intentionally
wraith imp
so wait...empty dash has i-frames?
mossy zinc
I think Heroic lets you walk on magma for like 10 seconds or something before you take damage lol.
loud coral
Yeah, it does
wraith imp
for all weapon aspects?
mossy zinc
Yes.
loud coral
It's just the normal dash, so yeah
mossy zinc
That's how we all i-frame attacks with dash.
loud coral
Divine Dash just feels better because it nullifies any attacks that might have hit you once the dash ended
wraith imp
but then what happens with athena's divine dash? is her dash unique or is that her deflected ability doing a lot of work?
mossy zinc
That's just Deflect doing a lot of work, yeah.
She doesn't give i-frames or anything.
wraith imp
@loud coral u answered my question as i was typing. thanks. you too @mossy zinc.
mossy zinc
I should probably mention that activating any Call or Summon also gives i-frames if you don't know about that.
loud coral
I really only take Divine Dash if I already got or wasn't able to roll Phalanx Shot already lmao
wraith imp
i knew about that but thanks for mentioning that. good reminder. i don't use it often enough.
mossy zinc
You should always take Divine Dash unless you're speedrunning.
wraith imp
I really only take Divine Dash if I already got or wasn't able to roll Phalanx Shot already lmao
@loud coral
really?
divine dash is considered a major crutch in the game.
especially against hades em4 and his projectiles in phase 3
loud coral
Guess I've just fallen in love with Phalanx Shot 🤷♂️
true fable
how many i-frames does calling/summoning give you, do you know
mossy zinc
I mean, prioritizing Phalanx Shot on a cast build makes sense.
true fable
phalanx shot is very very nice
mossy zinc
But after that, there's zero good reason to not take Divine Dash.
true fable
uno reverse card on strongbows
mossy zinc
I'd take Divine Dash over a DD from her.
loud coral
Yeah I immediately focus on the dash after that
mossy zinc
how many i-frames does calling/summoning give you, do you know
Enough.
true fable
loud coral
Enough to use as a panic button at least
mossy zinc
Not like it's a fighting game where knowing exact frame data actually matters.
wraith imp
question::
the powershot on bow aspects are all different (iirc) - i.e. require different timing
is the max spin on all spear aspects different too?
loud coral
Nah, just hades
wraith imp
i'm testing it out right now in courtyard and i'm not sure
mossy zinc
Errrr . . . I'm very sure it's only different for Rama.
wraith imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
honest kernel
They should all be the same, from my experience, outside of Hades' spin being larger
wraith imp
give me a sec.
mossy zinc
I heard that the other day, but I'm pretty sure whoever wrote that was tripping lol.
honest kernel
And Guan-Yu being Guan-Yu lol
wraith imp
@mossy zinc
Think you're right. zag, chiron, hera seem to have same timing for powershot. only rama is different.
Hmmm....couldn't tell a difference on max spear spins.
did the "1a, 2a, 3a, etc." count out loud just to be sure.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wraith imp
did claws of enkidu's dash get nerfed from +3 to +2?
mossy zinc
It was always +2 dashes. 
wraith imp
hmmm...
yep, you're right. i had ruthless reflex on.
and a few weeks ago, i talked about theoretical max of 8 dashes. heroic hermes + 2 from claws + 2 from mirror.
frozen gate
||I tried my first extreme measures run last night and It was the first Time I had died in tartarus in months || But The boss fight was really fun
gaunt fiber
dying in tartarus is a way of life, you'll start to like it
true fable
dying in tartarus at least means the suffering ends early
honest kernel
I mean, Hypnos is gonna judge you for dying anyways soooo
mint cobalt
Yall what set up would you reccomend for just trying to get 32 heat?
lament relic
It seems I can no longer call for my minions, I can't find any heat setting that disables them tho.
cinder cave
@lament relic have you f10'd that
lament relic
I don't think it's a bug, I am even getting a message when I try to use them.
cinder cave
Sword complained that
he had a situation with 4 charges of Shady
and it said summon unavailable
does this sound similar to you?
he posted that 4 days ago
lament relic
Just F10'd it, I thought it had to do with the heat level perhaps since its the first time I am trying to use them on H32. what exactly do you mean by 4 charges of shady?
cinder cave
so he started with 5 charges
used 1
and it didn't work for the rest of the run
if you wanna look at what was said
search in: hades-tech-support summon
lament relic
I cant use it from the get go
cinder cave
sounds like a bug to me
ripe crane
I had to look it up too. Why would I look there?!
tame cedar
Question from someone new to high heat:
Is there a particular companion that's universally preferred or is there some wiggle room?
gaunt fiber
I like both Meg and Antos
Just died at Hades, 30%. I took some really bad hits but I'm almost there
cinder cave
I took so much damage in phase 2+3 when I was practicing EM4 + FO1
gaunt fiber
I can't imagine EM4 yet, it's just EM3 + FO2
cinder cave
I'm absolutely terrified of FO2 ;)
for now
maybe I need more dashes from Hermes to make that easier
gaunt fiber
I died so much at FO1 that I just switched to FO2
cinder cave
found it really hard to deal with his fast movement and trying to maintain dps
hollow lynx
companions are generally all viable (besides bouldy at LC4), though there's some variance depending on player choice
personally i prefer battie because it's fast (faster than mort), even though the aiming can be wonky
cinder cave
I think most people think that Mort isn't good though
tame cedar
LC4?
cinder cave
At high heat anyway
Lasting Consequences 4. Btw you can see pinned messages for acronyms
tame cedar
Oh, thanks
I'm weirdly fond of Dusa? She's not great against bosses but she gives you a lot of breathing room in tense chambers, especially in Elysium
cinder cave
Kinda feels like good Skelly?
unreal pasture
Eh... if I get saltier, I'll probably go there
rain sedge
there is
there's the codex mod, that brings you to a boss. you can also give yourself boons etc
so you can practice with whatever boon you think you'll have etc
also I finally got that 32 spear that made me want to break my controller
broke: artemis attack with heart rend and try to get good dodging attacks
woke: athena attack to deflect everything, plus her call to play defensively
I'm left with shield, I believe some people said beo is easiest
bright crescent
f in chat for old chaos shield
bright crescent
for one, they added zeus special cooldowns
also the additional shields dont bounce now
bright crescent
used to be you slapped a zeus flourish on it, did a combo and damaged everything in the room for solid damage
at one point i think the speedrun strat was merciful end on it too
oblique crane
Finally got my first 32 heat clears thanks to lurking this channel
With eris, chiron, and rama
oblique crane
Trying to decide if I should try 32 with the melee weapons now or aim for a nice round 40
Thanks!
cinder cave
melee 32 should be
significantly harder than eris chiron rama
think it's back to practice practice
oblique crane
BP2 chariots sound like a bad time with melee
cinder cave
BP2 anything sounds like a bad time with melee
fixed that for you
:)
I got Hades on 32 for the first time
and died quickly
so back to more practice
ripe crane
Dad has thwarted all of my efforts lately. Game is too depressing.
true fable
crepes it may be because youre trying super soaker 46
calm storm
Just did my first 32 Heat run (posted on the victory channel) - can anyone give suggestions on how to make it easier?
It seems pretty damn extreme and if I had to use anything other than that build, I don't see how I could do it
true fable
HL+LC in that combination seem unnecessary for 32
looking at time TD3 seems like it would be kind of free
calm storm
Sec ned to go to the list (don't know acronyms by heart)
true fable
DC 1/2 would not be super bad for chiron
calm storm
What do you mean in that combination seem unnecessary?
loud coral
I’d say ditch EM4, go TD3 LC4 (Take SD) HL1
calm storm
oh didn't realise TD3 is 3H
Never played with the stubborn defiance
Might give it a shot if there's no uber dad
I used up all 3 of my DDs and almost died that try...
loud coral
There’s an exploit where if you burn an SD then grab an SD boon from Athena you basically get a DD on top of an SD
Does go away completely once you use it up so be careful
loud coral
It was unintended but the devs left it in, burning the SD probably shouldn’t be required though
cinder cave
yah fair
I just play a lot of dota
and because it was a mod
you had all these weird emergent things
some of them got patched out
some of them became features
like pulling creeps
so I just find it funny to go exploit= FEATURE
gaunt fiber
no
formal gust
cinder cave
Believe so
true fable
that would be the one
i have 4 legendaries and three duo on super soaker and it still does nothing
granted most of those were incidental and probably not at all helpful for the build but
rain sedge
I applaud your commitment to meme bright
true fable
it can do legit damage
you just need to get a chamber <10 sea storm and splitting bolt halfway through asphodel
so a lot of things really
true fable
:^)
rain sedge
that being said, I did waste my chamber 8 sea storm on my 32 heat run
I was still mad
true fable
honestly though super soaker makes me think when i play which is a good change of pace from eris
rain sedge
that's right next to the 7 casts poseidon run that I wasted
were you the one who did the athena special lucifer run?
I want to try that, but idk how much worse it is on switch
since we're before the lucifer buff patch
slow viper
Guys, is there a thread somewhere where I could go check for builds for a 32 run? I'm currently getting my ass handed to me
And is it a must to have a companion maxed out?
rain sedge
slow viper
#h1-victory-boasting
@rain sedge Thats for victories in general, right? not necessarily for high heat ones?
Is there a consensus best weapon for it? I'm trying it with chaos shield and is boring af
rain sedge
yeah, you can just take alook at it
I can give my not-so-great opinion to help
like... I think eris in general is the easiest, but chiron would work with a decent hammer combo
eris you need 2 boons, and you're good
chiron there are certain things that makes it very, very easy
what's your blood status, what weapons you got, what were you trying?
honest kernel
I swear Zeus shield has potential
rain sedge
I know, I know... I tried it but I swear to the lord it's so hard
rain sedge
I'm on beo now since I can't take zeus anymore
it's my last 32
I copied your build you @ me man
it's hard to play it
honest kernel
Fortunately for you
I fiddled around with OBS
Got a setting I was fine with
And recorded the 42 heat run
slow viper
So @rain sedge I got blood to get any weapon to legendary, I think I'm at 25
honest kernel
I just did
slow viper
Got most of the relevant keepsakes to 3 stars
rain sedge
show me
honest kernel
Gimme a moment
rain sedge
I think seeing you play might make it work
honest kernel
... You might get mixed results
rain sedge
so barth, I would go the eris/chiron route
honest kernel
Some rooms I clear like it's nothing, and then my mini-bosses were bad lmao
And then the Hades clutch
rain sedge
you have blood enough. Just max 1, if you don't like the feel of it, quit and you get the blood refunded
3 keepsakes is enough
I usually use 1 on heroes, 1 on hades, the rest is kinda meh
some minibosses are nice to use it on?
build for eris is: chain lightning, jolted. That's it
zeus legendary or sea storm if you get lucky. tidal dash to proc the sea storm
chiron: pray for hammers. Make it easy by taking demeter special, weak on weapon
slow viper
Yeah, I've been gving up to get the blood back
rain sedge
privileged status, get boon that make weak better
it's less punishing
weak enemy + chilled enemy + abyssal blood if needed = easier boss
slow viper
Eris build would be Zeus special then?
honest kernel
Eris build is often zeus attack
slow viper
Actually zeus attack, right?
honest kernel
And like poseidon dash
slow viper
oh ok
slow viper
I'm at a run with both zeus and chaos in the first room
so i've been giving it up and trying again
What would be the pact configuration for that build?
And why Poseidon Dash instead of Athena?
honest kernel
With Eris, it deals a TON of damage
Give it a pom or two and it's like 100 damage per dash on epic rarity
or something like that
It adds up
Also Zeus/Poseidon duo
mossy zinc
@slow viper check the pins. There's a spreadsheet of 40+ Heat clears with links to videos.
slow viper
Thanks, guys!
mossy zinc
and girl*
obtuse saffron
Nyaa is the 🐐
honest kernel
Gimme a sec to convert the file to MP4, think of a title and upload the run
Technically not verifiable, since it was the first run of the day for me lol
unreal pasture
@slow viper If you don't have companion maxed... it's kind of rough...
true fable
poseidon dash is probably still the best for an eris 32 speedrun
unreal pasture
People tend to spend them on like Heroes, 2 styx bosses, hades
true fable
probably just not enough of the speed people willing to play on HL5 EM3 for the speeds
slow viper
@unreal pasture I can get megaeras companion to level 3 during this run, got it upgraded twice already, it can be upgraded afgter elysiyum correct?
unreal pasture
I'm not sure, honestly... if you can spend ambrosia mid run to upgrade it
true fable
if you're talking companion you need to give it ambrosia i believe
i dont think you can do midrun but it's worth a shot
unreal pasture
Pretty rad to get a charge mid-run
true fable
they also nerfed poseidon dash pom scaling fyi so it's not as good as it used to be but it's still kinda insane
slow viper
May be upgraded using Ambrosia at the display case or a Regional Keepsake Collection (purchased at the House Contractor) after a boss fight.
I'm actually only doing it for the acheivement and statue atm, dont find it as engaging as some ppl do
peak oyster
also, whats the builds youre trying out for melee weapons? i did 32 on all ranged ones, i wanted at least one victory with each
peak oyster
I often forget to use companion until i like, hit Theseus and Asterius lmao
rain sedge
@peak oyster I did hades melee with serrated point today at 32
oh demeter isn't bad AT ALL at 32
rain sedge
yeah
hades spear
serrated point, athena attack, artemis dash
you can switch it up, athena dash/artemis attack
loud coral
Damn that sounds really good
rain sedge
if you're good just use both artemis
(I'm not, I had to take athena)
demeter is kinda free at 32 actually now that I think about it
IF you get merciful ending
and that's a huge if
honest kernel
Even without you can get away with Artemis special nukes
peak oyster
just noticed on the pins that was the only fist run there, merciful end
peak oyster
i was thinking about that
cuz my first reflex for gloves is dionysius
honest kernel
Dio isn't a bad call
Zeus is usually preferred when not going for Merciful End abuse
peak oyster
dio + artemis = +crit for every stack...
honest kernel
That's a combo
peak oyster
ah, fair, specially cuz crowd control
right now im just farming blood while i decide which aspects to take on 32
gloves is demeter hands down. found out the hard way dodges dont stack
honest kernel
I think that changed, actually
gaunt fiber
they do
honest kernel
Saw a clip where someone had 100% dodge chance
peak oyster
wha
when
gaunt fiber
yeah the butterfly clip
peak oyster
i...
want this
honest kernel
@peak oyster https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy
true fable
merciful end is nice for fists up to 40 imo
very hard to get ME if you have any points in approval process
honest kernel
Or if you dare to take Routine Inspection 1
slow viper
Guys, for the Eris build, do you recommend equipping poseidons keepsake to ensure you get his dash at teh start of Asphodel?
honest kernel
It's the usual call
loud coral
Depends on what you're better with really
honest kernel
^
slow viper
will do!
honest kernel
32 Heat is kind of a preference thing, honestly
slow viper
I'll assume ppl already co0nsider it "easy", right?
since folks are going at it with 40
haha
honest kernel
I mean, overall it's pretty challenging
But this channel's filled with hardcore peeps
40 is the start of where things start to get midly challenging for most of 'em
And even then
slow viper
hahahaha its pretty impressive
true fable
i think 32 is a good breakpoint because it's probably the first time you'll actually have to think about which pacts inconvenience you based on your playstyle
slow viper
I should ge poseidons dash and then try to level it up with poms? How many levels are recommended?
honest kernel
One or two is more than enough
true fable
40 is also a good breakpoint because it is difficult to do without changing your playstyle to accommodate SD LC4 if you haven't already
slow viper
K, thanks!
honest kernel
At that point you kill most squishies in 2 dashes for the rest of the game
And deal good damage to heavy mobs
After that, the rest of the poms/boons can be focused on bosses
rain sedge
this channel has been very supportive, they helped me out when I was a 16 heat kid with no complaints
don't feel bad about your heat numbers!
honest kernel
Oh, you are still there
Video's processing
It's uploaded, but the quality still needs to be processed
slow viper
hahaha
rain sedge
I'm here for 1 more day, 32 shield and I'm moving to AC valhalla
rain sedge
ah yeah, thanks for remembering Baj ❤️
the processing takes a long time if it's on youtube
true fable
took me like 2-3 days to jump from 20-32 and this channel helped a lot
rain sedge
I ate the 32 for the statue from 16 too
it was very painful without the help of people here. I took EM4 and FO2
and didn't know any better
honest kernel
... If you aren't used to that it's gonna get ya hard
Hell, EM4 was a nightmare for me for a solid while
Had to grind a bunch of runs where the entire goal was to learn that fight
So far, it's paid off, at 'least on Zeus shield
rain sedge
I still dont do EM4
true fable
after watching crepes try it EM4 seems like the hardest part of a super soaker run
aside from yknow
using super soaker
slow viper
EM4 needs you to have finished the game, right?
honest kernel
lmao
Yeah
... actually, not sure
I know you need to complete X amount of runs before the contractor sells you the pact modifier
Dunno if you need to get to the credits first or not
loud coral
I think you do
slow viper
yeah, Im trying to get to 32 before finishing the game
honest kernel
Should be before the Epilogue
honest kernel
No rerolls
But I find it fine on shield
It just demolishes witches
And has otherwise decent damage
At 32 heat, you'll likely want other boons
Zeus special, attack whatever
Or A combo of Athena/Ares on special or attack for merciful end
honest kernel
Just ignore me megging a doomstone add LOL
rain sedge
you seem to bull rush a lot instead of attacking, why is that?
honest kernel
I'll be real, it's a force of habit from when I played shield of chaos
rain sedge
ah fair
honest kernel
You might not need to bull rush as much
warm solar
Hey I was just sent here since I was wondering about any advice on beating 32 heat
Since I'm having a bit of trouble
honest kernel
But double-dashing into bull rush mid-charge I found was fast overall
waxen relic
do you have an aspect you wanna use draco?
warm solar
Oh, I suppose I have most used the rail and bow
Charon bow more specifically
But like I'd be open to trying a lot of stuff
waxen relic
Chirons a good idea actually
honest kernel
^
Artemis or Dio on special to start with, and building from there is a generally strong strat
upper edge
Just go full unga bunga with Eris
honest kernel
^ also an option
warm solar
I see
waxen relic
use dash-strikes with bow
warm solar
So what just zeus eris rail?
warm solar
Why is cluster so good?
upper edge
Because five bombs are better than one
warm solar
Lmao fair
honest kernel
Poseidon dash is also fantastic on Eris rail
true fable
but honest, rocket allows you to instantaneously apply the eris buff
rain sedge
I'm against picking cluster rocket against delta chamber though
upper edge
I'm against picking cluster rocket against delta chamber though
@rain sedge Heresy!
true fable
you still may want athena for defense but could go either way for athena vs poseidon
true fable
yeah im in the bablo camp now
warm solar
I generally struggle on anything around or higher than 25 so hopefully I can use this advice
true fable
delta chamber sucksss
rain sedge
delta chamber made a lot of plays easier for noobs like me
upper edge
Delta Chamber isnt even that good
true fable
i used to like it
rain sedge
bruh what
true fable
its not a bad attack hammer
upper edge
It's okay, at best
true fable
its just not rocket cluster
slow viper
I checked the pinned 48 heat run with Eris
rain sedge
but alone it's cute, but... it's no delta chamber
slow viper
do you guys recommend the inifinite one health respawn?
true fable
delta chamber suffers the unfortunate circumstance of being an attack hammer on rail
slow viper
over 3 DDs?
upper edge
Delta Chamber isnt even the best attack hammer for rail
true fable
alone it is still really good
rain sedge
@slow viper I m e a n
true fable
you just have to be using kbm
rain sedge
did you keep 3 DD by heroes?
upper edge
do you guys recommend the inifinite one health respawn?
@slow viper At 32 heat DD is probably stioll better
true fable
🙂
but forreal cluster bomb is much easier to use solo hammer on kbm than on controller
slow viper
@rain sedge I'm keeping around 2 DD until Aquiles, I think
rain sedge
it might be that I'm on switch so I hate the special targetting
upper edge
I have no issues clustering on controller
rain sedge
"aquiles"?
upper edge
it might be that I'm on switch so I hate the special targetting
@rain sedge you sure that's not just drift?
true fable
totally get that that's fair
if youre good at doing it on controller more power to you
upper edge
@rain sedge I'm keeping around 2 DD until Aquiles, I think
@slow viper Did you mean Theseus?
true fable
i personally find it easier on kbm
slow viper
@upper edge yeah, theseus, sorry
rain sedge
idk, sorry. I find special targetting on rail hard. KBM might make it less painful
waxen relic
do you guys recommend the inifinite one health respawn?
@slow viper it restores health every room with LC4 enabled. Just gotta be good at fighting bosses.
rain sedge
if you keep 2 DD by theseus barth, you're doing well, keep it
slow viper
K, thanks!
rain sedge
oh.... what's your heat setup?
slow viper
Mine?
rain sedge
yeah
slow viper
ph, I just changed it for the rail. Managed to get to 2 DD by theseus with gilgamesh fists
rain sedge
you didn't take weird stuff like EM4 or RI or AP didn't you
slow viper
I took routine inspection
rain sedge
I'm just wondering if you're taking harder heat setup by having low LC
ah yeah there you go
true fable
yeah routine inspection is a trap
rain sedge
someone smarter than me can explain it but
slow viper
so I should not?
rain sedge
because that way we can take LC4 and avoid stuff like RI
true fable
RI locks out dark foresight which is really good right now
rain sedge
^
slow viper
What is dark foresight?
true fable
you dont need to do SD lC4 but its free heat if youre comfortable doing it
honest kernel
^
rain sedge
I mean, it's 32 eris, it's doable, but you might be making stuff harder for yourself
rain sedge
it's the onie that gives you more run-based rooms, rather than meta-based rooms
true fable
aka boons, poms, etc
upper edge
What is dark foresight?
@slow viper Oh no
rain sedge
TL;DR more max HP, boons, coins
slow viper
oh, so no god's pride?
rain sedge
OH NO
rain sedge
ok ok so
slow viper
ok, so Imma change it to dark foresight
rain sedge
I got the maths right here
upper edge
More boons > less boons
rain sedge
basically, rare boons multiply your power by something like 1.3 times
slow viper
got*
rain sedge
and every room has a chance of getting meta-resources (basically useless except for keys) or run based resources (poms, coins, boons)
you increase the number of run based resources, you make yourself stronger
dire steppe
lol yeah i used to think i was bad at the game and then i turned on dark foresight
rain sedge
imagine a situation where you get rare zeus attack
slow viper
I see
rain sedge
vs a normal zeus attack + jolted
rain sedge
an extra boon is always better than a stronger boon
slow viper
what about god's pride vs legacy?
waxen relic
depends
rain sedge
there are some exceptions like extra dash from hermes, but generally that's the consensus
dire steppe
people usually say it depends, if you want a specific duo then legacy
rain sedge
I mean if you have some build that need a duo
like merciful ending
it's quite important
here's the maths
upper edge
At 32 heat you might want to pre-plan a very specific build, and if that build has duos or legendaries you take it
rain sedge
let me see if I get the number right... every boon has 15% or so chance of being legendary/duo if you qualify for it
slow viper
I dont need a specific duo
rain sedge
so the probability of you not getting a leg/duo is 0.85^3
upper edge
I dont need a specific duo
@slow viper Well, you also didnt have dark foresight on, and took RI.....
So by the end of this convo you might, in fact, need specific duos 😄
dire steppe
if you take RI then none of this matters
rain sedge
and you then have 42% chance only of not getting duo
which is way better
TL;DR think about your build and what you need
eris is fine with either. but merciful ending fists need the god's legacy IMO
slow viper
so do I need a duo build with Eris?
dire steppe
^ you can also use persuasion too to get more rolls for duos
slow viper
I have no idea what is merciful ending fists hahahaha
rain sedge
I mean, you can clear 32 with just jolted and zeus attack, so no
it's nice to get sea storm and splitting bolt but it's not necessary
whereas playing fist without merciful ending is like draining blood from stone (for me)
upper edge
I have no idea what is merciful ending fists hahahaha
@slow viper Perhaps you should acclimate to lower heat strategies first methinks
slow viper
I think I can manage 32, will give it some more tries. I mean, it looks like I was getting pretty farm with a suboptimal builds
upper edge
Are you perhaps jumping from 16 directly to 32?
slow viper
damn, that hard?
rain sedge
I mean
on eris it isnt
I did the same as you
ok let me find my heat setup, it might be helpful
upper edge
on eris it isnt
@rain sedge This is true
rain sedge
this was when I did 32 for the first time
slow viper
@upper edge I had played with it, but read somewhere tha it wasnt the optimal build. But I had it already haha
rain sedge
Ah I can't upload pics here
rain sedge
done
lament relic
Holy S* those witches from tartarus if they have speed and there is a room full of them... not fun 
waxen relic
Athena Dash though?
upper edge
I can see it
rain sedge
I can see it too
it doesnt matter that much on eris tbh
that sea storm on tartarus dream though...
true fable
sea storm tartarus matters less to me than getting epic attack/special
it really doesnt sound too bad until you realize the difference between epic and common is like 2 poms
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/775128049200136242/unknown.png I can't believe I almost won with this janky Gilgamesh revenge build
true fable
we've all been there
rain sedge
oh look, another fist run that didn't get merciful end and just ruins the run
merciful end is a bait, I hate it so much
I never get it when I need it
north dove
this run could have won without merciful end, I just needed to play a bit better
the revenge damage was nuts
so were the deflects
true fable
i can imagine i count 3 revenge effects?
rain sedge
oooh there was that run where the guy AFKed on hades and won from revenge
that was fun
upper edge
Was taht haelian?
graceful prawn
here's an early afk run, 7 months ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkCSaIeD5Y&feature=emb_title
might have been the first
haelian did do an afk run as well, and here's someone else doing an afk run without vengeful mood in 1.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DCjunkC6GE&feature=emb_title
lament relic
Grats @rain sedge
rain sedge
thanks ❤️
dire steppe
There's no way to stack 2 of the athena defiances on top of SD, right?
dire steppe
does it give you a second stack if you previously got one from athena but you don't have SD?
rain sedge
no idea soz
dry flame
rain sedge
WHOA, 57?
broken loom
HOW
rain sedge
oh yeah this is the chaos shield pre nerff
daring hedge
and fully routed through elysium
rain sedge
do you think you can do higher heats if it's routed tailesque?
I think there are some mods that do that, right?
daring hedge
probably yeah, but i'm personally not interested in routing
would rather push heat unseeded
rain sedge
fair
rain sedge
this but unironically
broken loom
Thank you thank you please make me a high heat speed runner
But in all seriousness is that actually what you can do? Can you actually alter the rooms with modifications?
That’s cool I guess you can make pretty good runs where you get your build every time.
true fable
no you can't do that haha
and there are some things routing can't account for such as enemy spawns/well items iirc
i'm not super well versed in the practice so maybe someone who knows better will have more to say
cinder cave
@daring hedge I just SD'd to 60/201, I thought you said SD rounded up?
broken loom
Well as long as you can change rooms
daring hedge
that was nyaanyaa who said that
broken loom
That’s all you need
rain sedge
I just got SD-ed from 37.5 to 38, I'm pretty sure it's rounded up
cinder cave
@mossy zinc
daring hedge
lol
rain sedge
hang on I'll update on the next lava suicide
cinder cave
yah i just lava suicided after Lernie and
well, 60/201, pretty sure 30/100 is 30%
unless i need to go back to school
so wait
that is rounded up
me dum
so why wouldn't SD work with this again?
rain sedge
wait it's not
cinder cave
is it because 60/201= 29.8%
rain sedge
if it's rounded up it'll be 61
cinder cave
which is rounded up to 30?
I'm confused about the interaction of Skull Earring with SD
rain sedge
it's not rounded up then. It's just "rounded"
rain sedge
yeah