#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 126

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Nope, im only using to the 3th rank

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 6:56 AM

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EM3 isn’t too bad, especially on chiron

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good that’s probably wise

plain jasper Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

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EM4 is hell at higher heat

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

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The hard part is just marking EM3 Th*seus with Chiron, after that the special takes care of the rest

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Ok thanks

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

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I'd just go for something like this minus errr . . . FO and JS. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/773096145949687849/Hades_1132.png

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Should give you a very reasonable 32 Heat.

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Now is have luck to obtain the gods i need

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Should give you a very reasonable 32 Heat.
@mossy zinc thanks

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

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you’d run HL5 at 32?

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Sure.

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Not like Chiron is getting hit if you run FO0.

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

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i guess?

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feel like it can cope with some DC and CP more easily tho

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

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That's just slower, though.

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I don't think either is a real issue.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

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true

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should be still within TD3 though, so unless you’re speedrunning i guess it’s preference

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

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TD3 isn't so easy if it's your first 32 if you also enable JS etc.

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That's what I think, anyway. Better to just avoid pacts that affect that.

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759541019871019010/774529249507016704/unknown.png This is the general pact I went for Chiron, though you can mix and match other stuff if you want

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(Def remove CP1)

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

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HL5 FO0 is easier than HL2 FO1.

plain jasper Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

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JS, TD and FO are the holy trinity of brutal pact combinations

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

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JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 is the only way to play Malphon. 👸🏽

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I keep hearing about how easy it is to run FO0 HL5, but I'm still not sold

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I guess I'll just have to run it and see

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 7:10 AM

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i have made a blood pact with FO2 and cannot turn it off, but i’d believe that

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HL5 is painful, but +40% enemy speed is something else entirely

cursive rune Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

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you’re getting to tartarus?
that’s good; achievable goals
just realized tartarus is the first stage LMAO i meant asphodel

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i guess its achievable enough to step out of my room, yeah

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Well I tried HL5 FO0 and uh

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Damn

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I could've easily gone EM4 with no issues

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Maybe not EM4 but yeah lol.

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I keep telling everyone. dusa

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Definitely EM4, I got hit one time from Dad and that was because I messed up the dash input

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(Also I had a busted Phalanx Shot build)

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Plus that's 4 points I could've taken off HL

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:09 AM

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True, I guess.

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But EM4 takes a lot longer.

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Definitely staying away from EM4 until I really have to use it, still insane just how slow FO0 felt

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(Pretty sure the WR runs don't even use EM4 anyways)

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:12 AM

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High heat WR?

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Yeah, high heat

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Tailesque does EM4.

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Eh, I don't think I'll be breaking 50 heat for a while now in the first place, I'll worry about pact conditions when the time comes

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Yeah, no reason to use the pacts that are the most difficult for you.

cursive rune Nov 7, 2020, 8:24 AM

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(i got excited and ended up doing it right now - links in self promotion for anyone interested)

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Man, I'm really struggling with EM4 Hades :/ Got him down to his last phase but can't deal damage because he just smacks you if you stay for more than a second in melee range

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Curse you FO2

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:41 AM

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What aspect?

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Poseidon sword

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Yeah, phase 3 with melee is brutal.

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Yeah I wish I didn't take Festive Fog that run, couldn't do anything against Hades

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 8:43 AM

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that sounds miserable

pastel atlas Nov 7, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I can only manage em4 well when I use chaos shield for the blocking

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I imagine bow would be OK too but I don't want to try the other weapons.

broken loom Nov 7, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Use Chiron bow. It always carried me through heats. Personally my only EM4 was done with Twin Fists but I don’t think they’re too viable.

trim sigil Nov 7, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Probably the worst weapon individually for EM4 tbh

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aside from some aspects

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Anything can be won with but fists have a harder time in mega hades

broken loom Nov 7, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Oh that’s probably why I almost died

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 10:19 AM

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underworld customs on your zeus build be like:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/774578354597658654/Hades_7_11_2020_9_17_12_PM.png

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 10:20 AM

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I physically cringed looking at that

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 10:21 AM

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why didn't i save a reroll 😭

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phew

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/774579860270088202/Hades_7_11_2020_9_23_30_PM.png

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my man zeus coming in clutch

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Timed out vs EM3 on RI4 40. shadegrief

loud coral Nov 7, 2020, 10:34 AM

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I think I’m more concerned that you ran RI4 on 40 heat

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Nobody should have to endure that pain

trim sigil Nov 7, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Except those who embrace it, obv

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 11:12 AM

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RIP my time. https://imgur.com/a/q2K8WB4

Imgur

static plover Nov 7, 2020, 11:13 AM

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bittieF

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tiny vermin, the true hellspawn

trim sigil Nov 7, 2020, 11:13 AM

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"No, not the tiny vermin!"

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famous last words

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I managed to get to hades with demeter aspect on fists on 32 heat yesterday, I still died in the last phase but I was surprised I got that far

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Nice.

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Phase 2 or phase 3?

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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3

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Hmm. I wouldn't recommend EM4 at 32 Heat—especially not on Malphon.

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

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For me em4 is fun, the actual challenge of the game so I have that on by default

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Yeah, that's different. I've been doing RI4 runs just for the challenge today lol. None of them successful. squirtooh

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Imo the only time I can have a bad time in em4 is if I get screwed over with the summons in the first phase

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Besides that if I get hit its on me, at one point I got hit by all the hits from his combo in phase 2

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Oh I should have said thats the challenge of the game for me, my bad

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I just enjoy boss fights in games more than other stuff

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I had no call for the fight, probably that could have done it for me

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Yeah, Calls on Malphon help a lot because they give i-frames and you build God Gauge fast.

zealous ferry Nov 7, 2020, 12:05 PM

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tiny vermin is true meme material

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although its rather rare to run into it

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 12:09 PM

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although its rather rare to run into it
@zealous ferry Must be nice.

zealous ferry Nov 7, 2020, 12:34 PM

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i dont think i;ve run into into it more than 5 times in playing 125+ hrs so far

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 12:35 PM

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That's pretty good variance.

zealous ferry Nov 7, 2020, 12:36 PM

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yeah, i always got the big ass saytr, giant vermin or giant bother instead, occasionally the snakestone

trim sigil Nov 7, 2020, 12:50 PM

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^

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Does it get alternate moves with the pact? Havent run into it ever since I increased the heat but you could cheese it beforehand

heady olive Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 PM

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the tiny vermin?

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Yea

heady olive Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 PM

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oo im not sure either

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Because if you kite it to the edge of the chasm and dash across and not move, it gets stuck there

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Sometimes it resets itself by burrowing in and out but it is replicatable

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But again if it gets new moves with the pact I don't know

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 1:22 PM

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I'm doing a chiron 32, should I use demeter special instead of artemis just to be safe?

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for more reaction time on bosses

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Nope

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I mean obviously you're welcome to, but a dead boss is the slowest boss

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 1:25 PM

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bow god has spoken

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thanks

radiant cipher Nov 7, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I always used demeter on chiron, then I got recommended dionysus

naive zinc Nov 7, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I'm looking for a good weapon build and pact for 32 heat?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 2:21 PM

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wow, chiron is so much harder to play than eris on 32

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is rama just that much better on high heat?

rotund coyote Nov 7, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I'm looking for a good weapon build and pact for 32 heat?
@naive zinc anything given the right hammer/boons

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Pact is more personal preference, some people though most despise heightened security

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Heightened Security is fine.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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I got the 32 heat Chiron, thanks for advice ledger :)

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IMO eris zeus is the easiest to get 32 heat, with just a little bit of luck you'll do fine

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other weapons feel like they depend on some hammer or duo boons that are RNG ish

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Well, Eris is busted.

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You can do 32 consistently with any aspect, but it definitely takes practice.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:01 PM

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for beginners like me at least, the damage is nice, but the fact that you can attack while dodging made it easy to focus

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I've done 32 heat on bow and rail, what's the next easiest one people think?

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I heard arthur with some boon setup made you pretty much invulnerable?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:22 PM

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imo shield is the next easiest, either chaos or beowulf

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:23 PM

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still not sure why people love chaos so much...

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I'll try beowulf if I get the missile bull rush

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:23 PM

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not that many people love chaos post nerf

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its damage is low, but its extremely safe

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there's a point where the damage becomes a serious issue for high heat, but it can handle 32 fine in my experience as long as you don't go too hard on TD

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but yeah; beo has no such issues

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it doesn't need charged shot tho lol

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:25 PM

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I think as a rule of thumb, the easiest weapons to clear on get dps issues the higher heat you go

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and the hardest weapons to get a hang of/master have the most potential

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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eris tho

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I'm on a demeter merciful ending run now

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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eris is just in a league of its own

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S+

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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fun fact: I have yet to get merciful ending before styx before

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I have god's legacy now to boost it

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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just nuke your feet at the beginning of every chamber

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and go to town

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 PM

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chiron is another one that is new player friendly but works for high heat

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:27 PM

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we'll see if anyone discovers the next eris anytime soon

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I was trying Chiron was 32 heat last night. Not easy for sure, was struggling to keep up with TD3

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Actually died to TD just before heroes

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:D

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:27 PM

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were you running JS?

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that's a big one that can mess with chiron

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:27 PM

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lemme check

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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but yeah; anything is gonna be hard at 32

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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oh I literally just got chiron 32 last run

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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JS0 CP0

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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just get a good hammer xD

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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ya my hammers sucked actually last run

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:28 PM

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it can usually handle some CP

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single target damage can get silly on chiron

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:29 PM

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i got shown only attack hammer first room

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strike*

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:29 PM

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like "attack, special, special- oh i phased the boss"

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:29 PM

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so that probably hurt my time over the course of the run

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i got my special hammer in room 33

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with 1 min on the clock

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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just reset if you get attack hammer on tartarus

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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but yeah chiron is a solid choice for 32, but obviously anything takes some practice at that level

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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naturally naturally

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how good are the strike hammers on bow in general would you say

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i heard people talking about twin shot before

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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twin shot is eh on chiron imo

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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yah that's what i feel too

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seems good on rama?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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also eh on hera

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on rama/zag its top tier

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:31 PM

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ah it's because their dps base is high

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and crit

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double up and shared suffering

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sounds good

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the loss of range isn't too big a downside for them either i imagine

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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yeah its fine, you do a lot close up with them anyway

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twin + point blank is a classic combo on either of them

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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just reset if you get attack hammer on tartarus
@rain sedge By reset you mean seppuku right

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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yeah

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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wait i missed that comment lol

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Thanks bouldy

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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alright I just died to alecto for no reason even though I had athena and mars on tartarus

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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i mean, you do you, but that seems extreme

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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lel

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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meleeing is so hard

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I'm so bad with fist lol

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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you've gotta get pretty high before its necessary to reset if you don't get a good start

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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that's fair

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i'm still

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happy to practice high heat for the sake of practicce

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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though i guess it will speed things up

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I mean, as I said, I'm pretty bad

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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no reset necessary yet

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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eh, i'm pretty bad as well

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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prolly i just don't like reseting unless i'm really screwed tho lol

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I cant believe alecto out of all people killed me

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dear lord

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I died to Alecto on FO1

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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oooh more first room athena

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this is good

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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actually kinda scary

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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im on FO2

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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dying to boss one is just how high heat works

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happens all the time

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Furies legit not easy fight

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shoulda swapped Lernie and Furies zaglol

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:34 PM

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maybe I should change my heat setup now I'm melee

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I mean lernie is super hard on high heat

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 PM

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yah i'm sure

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the lack of space to run around

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HS makes it even harder

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 PM

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i rarely have a problem with lernie personally

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 PM

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the lava made it hard

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 PM

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but i die to the furies an embarrassing amount

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you have a build v. lernie, v. furies you have like, 2 boons you found

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the lava made it hard
@rain sedge turn off HS

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that pact is a trap

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I'm not running HS xD

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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(pun intended)

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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feels like bad value for 1 heat right

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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oh well definately don't turn it on then

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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i'm gonna keep saying

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:36 PM

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get sure footing

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weirdly good boon imo

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:37 PM

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that i think HS should be 2 heat levels

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yah i mean

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:37 PM

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agreed

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:37 PM

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i'm glad that it's multiplicative

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so it's not just hey HS gives you 410% trap damage with sure footing!

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...

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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lol

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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there's already nourished soul (and i'm sure some others)

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that heat settings can make useless

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imagine how sad if sure footing were actually useless

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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nourished is worse than useless half the time

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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it's good for noobs!

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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it puts demeter in your pool and you can't sell it

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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...

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ROFL

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poor dem

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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oh yeah no its great without LC4 don't get me wrong

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 PM

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she's just an angry grandmother

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yah i mean

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when i was looking at heat

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seemed pretty obvious that learning LC4 was a sooner rather than later thing

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:39 PM

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idk if this is weird but i actually kinda like it

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:39 PM

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LC4? Dissing Demeter?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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gives me a good excuse to run SD, which is a nicer playstyle

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LC4 lol

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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zaglol

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yah I enjoy SD/LC4 too

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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also you save a surprising amount of money on healing

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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game actually feels on a knife edge

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and yes $$$ efficiency

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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when i first switched i felt super rich for ages lol

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:40 PM

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lol

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tbf since i whacked up convenience fee

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i miss being able to buy everything with impunity

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:41 PM

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yeah...

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i feel that

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turning it off is such a relief

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I actually think

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with some more practice and a bit of highroll

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32 chiron isn't a problem

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:41 PM

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150? for a boon? a steal

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I have just died to meg

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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but the $$$ feels is a definite feeldbad

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I mean is fist supposed to be this hard, or am I missing something

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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walking into act 4 and seeing 900+ hermes

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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at higher heats meg does get a lot harder yeah

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what pacts are you running?

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I mean is fist supposed to be this hard, or am I missing something
@rain sedge Hard to say... obviously there's always stuff to work on. It's a less safe weapon for sure tho

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:43 PM

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FO2 HL5 EM meg is a headache, and probably not one you need to deal with at 32, for example

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I have FO2, HL0

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my pacts are

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LC4, CF2, EM3, BP1, MM, UC, FO2, DC2, TD3

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it's not like I'm getting bad boons

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I'm gonna use antos for this run

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

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you were running demeter aspect, right?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

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yeah

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

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DC2 TD3 FO2 seem like the hard parts to me

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maybe not TD3 completely

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:47 PM

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DC2 doesn't matter, and TD3 gives me no problem

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I don't know what else to use if not DC2 and FO2

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because EM4 is no go

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:47 PM

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you hate HL?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:47 PM

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yeah those seem pretty reasonable, but generally dem can chew through some CP/JS without too much difficulty so you might want to consider bumping those up and turning FO down

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the other option is going up to BP2

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turning FO down will likely help you in this case

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:48 PM

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furies is actually so much harder on FO settings

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I tried BP2, even on eris that was super hard

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I'll take HL2 and CP1 in exchange of FO1

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:48 PM

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yeah also HL5 is arguably easier than FO2, so you that's another one you could bump up a little in exchange

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probably don't got to HL5, but 1 or 2 ranks doesn't hurt too much

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:49 PM

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i feel like more punishment for damage taken per hit rather than everything zooming is a good trade yeah

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I have epic mars attack on first boon, I have no more excuse now

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:50 PM

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go for it

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Mars? Clearly a dota player ;)

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Imagine having Zeus and Mars in the same game

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:51 PM

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ares i presume; likely a translation thing

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I'm just teasing

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:51 PM

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ah yeah my bad

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both are god of wars 😛

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

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just find it amusing when there are inconsistencies, like Hercules is the son of Zeus xd i made the same mistake

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

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i was gonna say lol

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

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died on chamber 3

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

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ez go again

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

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took a chaos boon that stops me from attacking

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because it's 73% special or something

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

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yeah high heat really hurts in tartarus, because you have no boons

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i mean that's a tempting offer

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can't say i wouldn't have done the same :D

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

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oooh hypnos commented I've died 300 times

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

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nice

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a respectable number

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

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amazing! you are the best dier

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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yeah not sure i'll be able to manage more than one death irl

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zag truly is a legend

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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pretty sure 100 something of those are intentional deaths to progress story

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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fair lol

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pretty sure he also counts wins, as you still die

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:54 PM

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correct

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it's 1-1 with escape attempts

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:55 PM

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rush kick or kinetic launcher for demeter?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:55 PM

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i really like kinetic launcher

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on demeter its just fun

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I hear both are viable but, kinetic launcher just sounds so fun

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yeah i'm not sure which is technically better

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may actually be rush kick?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I'll take the range option

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kinetic launcher

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:57 PM

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i confess i'm not the best fists player in the world

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 3:58 PM

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didnt you jhust get 32 heat

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 3:58 PM

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yeah but i mostly play shield lol

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the people who are really good at fists go much higher than 32 with them

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dem's record is 50 iirc

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 4:07 PM

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My closest attempts at 51 have been with kinetic launcher, and I think it is the reason why honestly. It's very powerful.

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It and explosive I would say are the best

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For special upgrades

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:08 PM

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this is great to know, as i would probably always take kinetic anyway because i wanna hadouken

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:10 PM

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in elysium with kinetic launcher now

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no merciful ending in sight, and I'm using god's legacy

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Good luck mate

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

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thanks 🙂

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lmfao I got a different duo boon instead of merciful ending

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this happens everytime I play fist

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I hate this weapon so much

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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RNG sometime deigns to get you

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guess fated persuasion didn't swing your way

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I got 5 rolls in a row after qualifying with merciful ending and I have god's favour

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I'm out, cya all

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I'll try another weapon

stark cape Nov 7, 2020, 4:20 PM

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me fist build requires too many pieces for my liking

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makes it very rng dependent

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:21 PM

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it just requires mericful ending, but somehow I never get that

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:21 PM

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yah it can be frustrating not to get ME. But the payoff when you get there is insane

stark cape Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM

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you need ares attack, athena special, athena dash, and the duo boon

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and without every component, it's not a great build

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:23 PM

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definitely agree that it requires some highrolling

stark cape Nov 7, 2020, 4:23 PM

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of course with it, you're a god

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even more sad times trying to get it with ap1 😫

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:24 PM

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the worst part about AP

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is the game taunts you with what could've been

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nothing like getting all your highrolls turned into screw yous

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I had everything but merciful ending

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and heroic doom on attack too

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and suddenly, unshakable mettle

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what.

naive zinc Nov 7, 2020, 4:30 PM

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So how does zeus eris work? Obviously you want zeus on attack, but then what? Jolted? Poseidon on special and dash? Sea storm?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:30 PM

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sea storm is a nice extra, with tidal dash

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:30 PM

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you want jolted for sure, it helps a lot with bosses

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:30 PM

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but in reality, you just need zeus and attack, maybe jolted, and that's it. that's why it's so nice

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you get zeus legendary or sea storm, great

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but if not, it still works

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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then your main goal should be to get T2 zeus boons and aim for splitting bolt

naive zinc Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Why is zeus attack so strong on eris?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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fast lightning go brr

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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the sea storm build is amazing for speedrunning, but requires tidal dash

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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also the 75% attack boost works on lightning procs

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nothing else does

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 PM

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for heat pushing divine dash is easier

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but sea storm with tidal dash can still work ofc

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Why is zeus attack so strong on eris?
@naive zinc each individual shot does low damage, but the lightning still procs for every single hit

naive zinc Nov 7, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Btw is the rocket hammer on eris bait?

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:34 PM

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and because the lightning damage is flat, it is unaffected by the low base damage

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rocket hammer on eris is amazing

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if you shotgun it straight into enemies it procs your damage buff much faster than if you had to wait for the mortar shot to land

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 4:35 PM

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and suddenly, unshakable mettle
Unshakable Mettle is amazing.

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i believe they were looking for merciful end

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM

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not when you're on chamber 33 and still have no merciful end

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM

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anything's disappointing when it could have been ME

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:52 PM

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MERCIFUL ENDING

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just need dash

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got the dash next boon

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alright 32 here I come

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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nice

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good luck

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:55 PM

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you can do it! dusa

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 4:57 PM

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.

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lernie killed me

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I hate myself

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HOW DID I DIE LIKE THIS

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I survived until elysium just fine without it

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arghhhhh I should take a break

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sorry for spam

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:58 PM

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it's okay

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take a breath, reset

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 4:58 PM

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its fine

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 4:59 PM

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game can be tilting

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I got the 32 heat Chiron, thanks for advice ledger :)
@rain sedge You're welcome :). And regarding your other question about Rama/Eris, I think they're all vaguely equivalent until extremely high high heat, at which point Chiron starts showing some weakness as its builds either have issues with JS3 (crit), or with EM4 CP2 (hangover). Rama and Eris don't really have bad pacts.

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:00 PM

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is rama as good as eris, do you think?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I saw your rama run on 55 ledger

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it was insane

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:00 PM

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That was Tailesque lmao

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Oh god too hot for my blood

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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everyone always says eris is way better than everything else, but the rama record is like 5 heat higher

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dunno if that's just Tailesque only playing rama tho lol

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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ah whoops, I saw the name and got them mixed up D:

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Not too many peeps play on that level of heat

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That could explain it

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honestly

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yeah exactly

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I hit 50 with Rama in 1.0, and 49 in Blood Price.

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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really hard to do statistics with how little 50+ data we have

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I'm gonna try and get there eventually

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i lowkey wanna do it with beo

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but i prolly don't play this game enough to get there

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i... need much practice to progress that far lol

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Eris' domination in the speedrunning community is pretty much ironclad and absolute. It's also kind of insane at lower heats.

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Zeus aspect of shield is my priority to push, likely followed by Achilles' aspect of spear

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And yeah, that buff pushed it above and beyond for speedruns lmao

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I feel like at that high heat the game become unfun

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@honest kernel can you show off here once you get 32+ heat on zeus?

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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The game will always be unfun if you're playing at heat above what you're capable of :3

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I'm struggling to do anything with shield

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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It's a process

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I mean, ultra high heat isn't meant to be fun

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it's meant to push you at every corner

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@rain sedge I posted a 40 heat completion like earlier this week on Zeus aspect of shield

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Gimme a sec to get the screenshot back

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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The game will always be unfun if you're playing at heat above what you're capable of :3
@bronze viper this is literally all i do lol

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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very nice!

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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5 heat is probably above what i'm capable of, but i didn't get where i am today by being reasonable and restrained

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I mean, it's what we all do lol, but there's always a line. No one here is faceslamming against 64.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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is there a video or so of you or anyone playing zeus aspect at high heat? I don't even understand the gameplay

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:04 PM

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true

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Well, duder who was dreaming of freshfile 40 kind of was.

edgy arrow Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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pretty inspirational stuff lol

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wonder if he's still trying rn

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Lol, his enthusiasm was S-tier

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

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freshfile 40

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Freshfile is a banned word around here

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:06 PM

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huh, I kinda see what you're doing baj

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are you jsut letting the special kinda be there, while you attack with knockbacks?

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Depends, but usually, I either bull-rush in, then special and attack a bunch, or let the special rip while I block

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You can do fancy stuff here and there by guiding the shield on foes for rooms and bosses that chase you around

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But generally speaking, you play it somewhat similarly to Chaos shield

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Except you trade the shotgun shields for a beyblade

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as I said in the #h1-victory-boasting channel, Zeus special is most consistent. Can do work with Ares or Athena for Merciful End stuff, and Aphrodite/Artemis for damage can work OK in a pinch

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Poseidon attack is not what you want lmao

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Picked it up mostly as a filler

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Honestly, it kinda worked out fine for my playstyle

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But you def want other boons instead

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:11 PM

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interesting, I'll definitely have to learn how to do it

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I feel like my understanding of shield is very lacking

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well, I got until the 10th to play this game

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then AC valhalla

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Shield is very much a defensive weapon

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What this means, in the context of speed, is that you can stay close to foes

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And block in a pinch if necessary

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Beowulf won't do this as much because you just nuke stuff with casts like you are a close-range Hera bow

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:12 PM

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isn't the block kinda slow? like you gotta attack, then it blocks?

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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For regular shield it's fast enough that you can dash-attack and have it available pretty fast

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Beowful's a bit slow, however

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But as I said, you nuke stuff

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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ahhhh dash attack

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I see I see

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Dash-attack, then hold

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You'll start blocking/charging a bull rush right away

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This will let you balance out damage and defense

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Which means you can expand your dashes, and still have some form of defense

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Special on shield is only really relevant if you have Chaos/Zeus aspect, or if you have something like the Charged flight hammer on Beowulf

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Otherwise, it's usually too slow for the damage it deals

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And you'd rather be bashing peeps

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Also, I'll start recording my runs, once I figure out how to split audio with OBS Studio

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That's been a pain for me for the past few days

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:19 PM

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split audio?

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there's generally really good resources to figure out OBS online

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Yeah

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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thanks, that's a really helpful advice baj

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I didn't even consider this before on shield

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I used to use it for streaming DOW2, but that was like 8 years ago

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I barely blocked on shield

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I've been getting it to work, the hic : I notice the delay and it's painful for me lmao

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Oh I see

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I'm sure you'll be able to find something online for that. gl

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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That or I just don't listen to music while playing

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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hang on. didn't someone here say lightning rod make it harder to pick up bloodstone?

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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It does

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I'm feeling that right now

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damnit. I shouldn't have taken it

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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It does?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I have a 7 bloodstone poseidon run on 32 now

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Yup

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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does it reduce the grab aoe

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I took lightning rod because it was offered

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Makes the radius in where the bloodstones get attracted to you WAY smaller

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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but uh, this might have been a mistake

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Basically have to hug 'em

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I see I see

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maybe you'll get lucky and sell it 400+

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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^

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I do have a lot of boons

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Best use of that duo in most runs, TBH

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I got the ideal setup of arty legendary and exit wounds

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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rofl

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I take stubborn roots when offered

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so I can highroll sell it

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$$$$

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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i've just been recording using xbox game bar lol laptop poverty squad rise up

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also super soaker is unironically fun either i complete 40 heat super soaker or die trying

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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The build is extremely fun, yeah. It needs to actually come together before it completes useful game actions though lol

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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What's the super soaker thing

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Lucifer + Tempest Strike

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Oh, the squirt gun

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Got it

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Typically with knockback boons and/or sea storm

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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tempest strike? didn't consider it actually

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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What do y'all think of hyper Sprint?

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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that actually sounds good

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Hyper sprint is cool

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It's fun when it comes together, as Sea Storm is good by itself

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Not the best per say, but still cool

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I can't tell if I like it or if it just throws me off

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It's just terrible until then lol.

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@ripe crane It has a weird learning curve lol. But it's a lot of free mitigation and mobility when you do get used to it.

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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That's what happens with Poseidon attack lmao

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I still run into lava all the time in Asphodel

honest kernel Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Damage's low man

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 PM

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yeah you really have to hope for native zeus in tartarus

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or use your bombs for damage

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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or use your bombs for damage
@true fable gamepad triggered

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 PM

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once you get sea storm it actually does damage but like ledger said

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literally 0 damage until then

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tempest strike vibes

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I just died with 7 cast and perfect boons on poseidon from a damn spreader that spawns out of nowhere

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what is today man

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Saturday EST

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:31 PM

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that was literally the perfect poseidon run

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I had his boon too, was so prepared for a mirage shot

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 PM

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it happens

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i got artemis, zeus, poseidon and dio with beowulf in tartarus

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and just never got another cast stone or pom

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Be me, trying some GY runs. Room 1 : charged skewer denied. Room 2 : deadly flourish denied. Thank you AP

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Don't you mean Charged Skewer: Approved? :3

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 PM

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shadegrief

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 PM

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It happens 😦 I usually just beeline for the nearest trap

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 PM

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reset time

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any ideas for a legit 40 heat setup on super soaker

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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nah it's ok

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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feels like js would make it a very mean tartarus

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I need to practice furies anyway

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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also probably not TD3

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Normal range weapon setup is fine. DC2 is free at least

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That's about the extent of the nice things I have to say about Lucifer

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 5:36 PM

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FO2 is basically free heat.

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:36 PM

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yeah im doing DC2 FO2 at 25 right now and it seems fine

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started with high confidence by accident but otherwise going well

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Asphodel BP2 FO2 with Lucifer is always a thrill ride, since you can't iframe projectiles without stopping your attack and you don't always have Divine Dash yet lol

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Especially if you're going Super Soaker, which means your 2 god keepsakes are taken.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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are you saying the ramp up damage gets reset during a dash, ledger?

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:37 PM

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No, it gets reset if you have to stop attacking lol

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Which you do... all the time in Asphodel because of bullet hell

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If you're attacking and dash, you have no iframes in that dash.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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o.O

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is this for every weapon?

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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yes

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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It's most noticable on Malphon, Exagryph, and weapons with Flurry hammers

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:39 PM

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it's just more apparent on lucifer since the attack is a constant beam

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^

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Also Nemesis since a huge proportion of your dashes are dash strikes

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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arthur's weird dash + standing strike thing i-frames right

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:41 PM

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You mean his dash strike > strike?

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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like sometimes you can just dash between strike in the attack sequence

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:44 PM

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oh, the dash carry for his attacks, I think it depends on how you do it?

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You can definitely dash and then attack and still carry it, that should be invincible, but if you press them at the same time, maybe no? I have not tested.

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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dang lucifer vs bp dragons is tough

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Yeeeep

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:00 PM

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wait dash-strike doesn't give iframes, but dash-special does? or not

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Nope.

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Only empty-dash.

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:00 PM

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dusa

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worth an ask

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Once you cancel your empty dash into Dash-Attack or Dash-Special, you also cancel your i-frames.

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Thank you ^^

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 6:03 PM

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divine flourish on lucifer may be the best thing since sliced bread

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as usual on high heat i sit around and do nothing while lady athena wins the game

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Do the mines pulse deflect till they explode?

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Mostly done eris so far

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yes

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yes

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its basically just having an active reflect field

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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is achilles even viable on high heat? I'm using zeus cast, but it feels so underwhelmign

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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other people say yes but i am a follower so i just caved and used hades

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Sick

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Does the game have a preference for giving you a new god if you don't have 4 yet?

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I find very often that i am offered new gods rather than the ones I have

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 6:36 PM

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i've had runs where i've only been shown 3 gods until like chamber 30

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but that could also be a minority case

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 6:38 PM

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there is no preference

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it's random 1/8 i believe until you get yoru 4

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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which do people find stronger- Arty Chiron or Dio Chiron

bronze viper Nov 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Both are good. Depends on what you want to do

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EM4 CPx is revolting on Hangover Chiron, JS3 TD3 is impossible on Crit Chiron.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Is there any alternative to merciful ending Demeter at high heat?

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Something more reliable, should we say

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Zeus on attack with Zagreus aspect to stack dodge?

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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zeus attack on demeter is also the way to go for 40+ i believe

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i think thats what tailesque did but i haven't watched that run

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I'll watch that run

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Does wave pounding increase the damage from sea storm? I can take either that or unshakable mettle.

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 8:57 PM

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the extra bolt damage itself from sea storm isn't affected by wave pounding

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Thought not. Trying to finish 47 Lucy with sea storm build, made it to phase 3 that time but storm by itself was too slow

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, and Curse of Agony are ideal for Malphon.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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what's the complement of lightning strike? just try to get sea storm for fun?

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I've given up on trying to get merciful ending

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Both are good. Depends on what you want to do
@bronze viper thank you for clearing up the difference

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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No, just more Lightning boons.

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And Divine Dash.

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Picked up curse of agony today, seems like a dps complement to melees?

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Does it no longer kb

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I have obtained a chamber 8 sea storm with tidal dash .

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I have never been this lucky in my life

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I guess you could aim for Smoldering Air once you have Divine Dash and Lightning Strike.

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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ah yeah that sounds amazing

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what's the default bounce of lightning strike?

mossy zinc Nov 7, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I dunno lol. Enough. dusa

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I think 2 maybe?

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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imagine dying on meg with chamber 8 sea storm

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melee is like 10x harder than range lol

gilded grove Nov 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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rip

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 9:55 PM

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No need to imagine 🥲

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I love how Meg complains about how she can barely stand the heat herself

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I feel like 5 sack styx should be illegal under TD3

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like every level of TD should reduce the max room

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 10:33 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/774763423002394684/unknown.png The 5 sack pain (Still could have won if I didn't step on a pot :|)

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 10:37 PM

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yeah I got hit by that 5 sack too on my 32 fist

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I might still win it on a different run, at dad now

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got em

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thanks nya for lightning strike advice 🙂

cinder cave Nov 7, 2020, 10:53 PM

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gratz man!

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:25 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/774776019097878548/unknown.png I finally beat 50 heat poseidon sword! It was a 5-sack too, this run was amazing

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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That looks like a sword heat record to me 👀

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I can finally retire from 50 heat and only ever play 40 heat from now on

ripe crane Nov 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Do we get a video 😄 ??

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Yes

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Need to start working on the thumbnail

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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my highest heat is 32 lol I focus too much on speedrunning

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:30 PM

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high heat isn't for everybody, I can't do any kind of speedrunning haha

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I kind of want to do 40+ heat arthur just to see how far I can push that weapon

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it probably falls off like a rock with that amount of pact modifiers

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speedrunning has kind of messed with some of my decision making to be fair, so I should probably do a little bit of high heat every so often

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only thing I don't have 32 done with is shield and bow

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I like beowulf but I am not great at it and I could probably do 32 with chiron but I want to learn rama

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speaking of rama

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 PM

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beo 32 isnt bad

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 PM

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high heat arthur is rough. which is funny because so many players call it OP at lower heat while here it's... yeah

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 PM

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beo 40 also didnt feel bad until i got 0 cast stones from chaos and no poms on my cast

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I'm certain 50 can be done with it; i almost got there a few times, but settled for 46 eventually

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Arthur 32 was easy

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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still cant believe you did 46 with it lol

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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yeah, by high heat i mean 40+ at least

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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CP2 at least seems very free

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arthur seems like it would suck with deadline

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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it does, especially when you kind of have to work with DC

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 PM

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I’ll try 40+ at some point

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@north dove also congrats, avoiding TD3 seems to have been the play haha

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Thanks, TD3 always intimidates me so I stick to TD2

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 PM

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I think if I tried I could get pretty high heat with some of the weapons

north dove Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 PM

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got lucky this time I guess

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:40 PM

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how did you get those boons with AP2 o.O

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congrats!

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@true fable mind PMing me the beo build? I've been failing at 32 shield at all other aspects now

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Dio cast Stygian and pray for extra cast in Tartarus

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 PM

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^

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 PM

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dio cast?

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Trippy shot

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 PM

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no yeah I get that

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oh... use stygian

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hmmm

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so just load it 1 by 1 and go?

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Honestly hourglass shenanigans could be fun

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Stacking Prometheus stones

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 PM

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aside from that you hope for artemis + poseidon in tartarus

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hourglass is good if you dont need the acorn

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 PM

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so, load 1 by 1, and attack inbetween?

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and hope for mirage shot hmmm

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Stubborn may be the play

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I always play SD on 32

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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you dont need stubborn but its 4 heat if youre comfortable doing it

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I usually have lc 1-2 without sd, is that bad

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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no

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i just always feel like if you take one point you might as well take all idk

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I only use sd because all the other heats are bad for me

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 PM

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fair

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 PM

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a better player would be able to take FO2 or BP2 combination but

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Yeah I struggle to find stuff to put that heat into

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Maybe I’m avoiding JS and CP too much

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 PM

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someone like me would lose all DD anyway by elysium so what's the point

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 PM

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avoiding js and cp is a speedrun mindset haha

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:46 PM

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And AP

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I mean CP is pretty rough

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:46 PM

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running 50 and having to take all of those ron

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Guess it depends on single target damage and js depends on aoe

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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imagine running 50

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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yeah i dont feel like beo struggles at all with CP

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I have 2 more days in this game, I want to do 32 on all weapons before that

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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JS makes tartarus a little hard but otherwise is pk

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 PM

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shield and spear is next

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I have some idea for achilles on spear, but some people say GY on high heat?

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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40+ GY is difficult

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Alright I’ll try beo 32 soon

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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just 32 for me sir 😄

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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oh whoops lol

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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hades is good for 32

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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yeah GY 32 is good

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also hades yeah

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 PM

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isn't that literally dependent on that one hammer

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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i cleared 32 with hades no EM3 or HL

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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isn't that literally dependent on that one hammer
no

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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serrated point makes it easier but is not 100% necessary

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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i would say spear and sword are the hardest to clear high heat with

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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GY 32 is ez

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Arthur 32 is suuuper easy

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:49 PM

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40+ is another story

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But I'll get to it

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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already got my sword on poseidon 🙂

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Idk why, I have not reached 32 with any weapon but spear and I want to go for GY 40

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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ok, hopefully this beo run goes well, then I'll try some stuff with spear

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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shield can do high heat but probably not as consistently as you'd like with TD3

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non-beowulf shields, anyway.

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 PM

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yeah, chaos shield for example is still extremely safe, but takes a lot of work damage-wise

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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do you think max heat will be achieved ?

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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i think it might get routed

daring hedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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without someone routing it, or just hundreds of hours of resets, not likely

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 PM

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but unseeded there's no way

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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feels like it needs routing yeah

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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I've had 0 runs where I felt chaos is good

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I get that people love it, but yeah

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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rip

formal gust Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Chaos shield? It’s still really good

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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chaos was my first 32 clear

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:52 PM

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you're just spoiled by having fast damage squirtmeh

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:53 PM

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I need to see a video of people doing it

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I justr can't get it

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:53 PM

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my favorite thing is that chaos is the second fastest rta speedrun lol

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:54 PM

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to be fair the old chaos shield was significantly faster at clearing rooms

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:54 PM

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alright I have died, what's the easiest spear on 32 for someone who's bad at melee?

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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i would say hades w/ exploding launcher/charged skewer is the "easiest"

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Guan Yu honestly

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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what's the guan yu buld?

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I assume hades is just spin for buffs --> spam special?

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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nah dash strikes + backstabs

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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hang on - does the GY healing nerf affect SD heal?

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:55 PM

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special is only if you get exploding launcher

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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death/stubborn defiance is not healing

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it's a restoration to a threshold

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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The classic is Arte special/ Aphro attack (athena works well too) and aim for Heartrend /deadly reversal

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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and spam special?

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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yeah

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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hmm I wonder if I'll make it on TD3

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I'll try GY first

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 PM

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You will

true fable Nov 7, 2020, 11:57 PM

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you can also do artemis attack aphro special

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both work

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I'm currently trying 40 heat with FO2 and TD is not a problem anymore

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:57 PM

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what's the rota? literally just spam special from 1200 range?

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Special double dash trike etc is your rotation

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but it can be dangerous sometimes of course

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so you can special dash away etc

cerulean frigate Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 PM

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the special is safer but there are going to be times where it will just miss a moving target if you try to spam it. gotta use dash strikes still.

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 PM

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hang on - does the GY healing nerf affect SD heal?
@rain sedge I don't understand that question

rain sedge Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 PM

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it's ok veritas answered it

gaunt fiber Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Noice

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Oh I see

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GY used to heal more right ?

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or was it a bug

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:00 AM

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no. guan yu reduces healing received by 50% on top of its max hp penalty

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but that doesn't even matter with LC4

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:01 AM

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if GY restored to 15% on SD shadefear

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:01 AM

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it sort of already does with half HP thanthink

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Yeah you only get 12/13 from hearts too lol

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:02 AM

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i mean true

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if it were 15% on top of the 50% reduc it would be absurdly sad

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:02 AM

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yikes, this low HP is getting to me

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:02 AM

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I'm in the "never liked guan yu" gang and now it feels worse since you can't really dash strike 2x comfortably due to the input buffering change

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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they reverted it i think

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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they did

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you can spam now

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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hades it is

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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amir said that in this channel a few days back

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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I'm on switch. I don't get that patch

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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sad

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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ah

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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it's my regret buying it on switch

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should've done PC

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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It's ok tho

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You can make it

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:03 AM

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and the cross save isn't here...

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:04 AM

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It's just funny to me that arthur gives you similar range, swings faster and in arcs, and does more damage than guan yu attack

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:04 AM

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what's the play for hades? dash strike spam with artemis?

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:04 AM

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and you get max hp

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:05 AM

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hades attack sequence is minimum charge spin -> dash strikes + backstabs

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:06 AM

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dash-strike spam only with serrated point, otherwise regular attack combo is fine with dash-strikes woven in here and there

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Oh btw

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Don't you think serrated is kind of unsafe

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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yes

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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for EM4

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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very

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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the dps is still insane

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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man if you don't get more dashes

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it's hell

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:07 AM

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the dps is worth it along the way but then you gotta do em4 dad with it and eeeehhhhhhhh

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:08 AM

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the dps is insane yeah

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But I don't risk it atm with GY

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:08 AM

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you've basically got to be extremely comfortable I framing dad's attacks rather than ever being able to use dash distance to disengage

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and on guan yu hope you don't get one shot by spear throw windup instantly having a hitbox before Dad even lets go of the spear

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:09 AM

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happens to me often

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:11 AM

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well my hammers on hades isn't great

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triple jab, flaring spin, chain skewer

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I've kinda commited to dash attacks since I got an artemis epic on it

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

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flaring spin is surprisingly good

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credit to tailesque for showing me the light on flaring spin

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

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what's so great about it?

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OH OH OH

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sturdy!

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can't be interrupted?

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

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surprisingly ? I like it

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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mostly the pulses dealing with DC hearts and providing free crowd control on unarmored foes

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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OH LORD

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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the sturdy doesn't really come into play a ton

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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IT'S SO GOOD

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it clears out mob rooms really well

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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also fun fact: pressure points allows flaring spin pulses to crit

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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man I love this discord

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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why does flaring spin pulse get to crit but not explosive return shadeeyeroll

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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but the regular artemis attack boon doesnt give them crit chance?

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I have support fire on it but that doesnt seem to proc

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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yeah, deadly strike doesn't enable crits on the pulses

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Support fire is lit with serrated point

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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they're a static flat amount other than with PP

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:15 AM

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what exactly is the boons on dad? literally just try for heart rend?

daring hedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:15 AM

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and i suppose FF, actually? though that won't do a ton

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:16 AM

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what's FF?

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:16 AM

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your damage on just exploding launcher is kind of slow without heart rend to amp up the crits.

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family favorite

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I see

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ah I wasted that run, died on trial of the gods

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I think I have a good idea of stuff now

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:16 AM

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turns out, priv status is much harder to get when you force Artemis and Athena in the run every time. thanthink

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:18 AM

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im running PS on super soaker but im starting to think i may switch to family favorite

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takes too long to get 2 T2 curses

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dont know how wriste did it

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:19 AM

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just highroll and get every boon you want on super soaker, ez

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:20 AM

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aphro dash ez

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:20 AM

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you joke but aphro dash was actually good

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on super soaker

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:20 AM

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not joking

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:20 AM

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oh haha

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:20 AM

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wait

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what is super soaker ?

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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yeah i was forced into because poseidon wouldnt give me it

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lucifer with tempest strike

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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oh ok

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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the most pitiful damage build

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I like aphro in general to proc PS

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dash*

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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why is that good...?

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isn't the knockback proportional to your base damage?

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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it's lucifer rail with tempest strike and sea storm

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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its not good

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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it's painful because tempest strike is terrible.

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

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its a total meme

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i want to beat heat 40 with it

cerulean frigate Nov 8, 2020, 12:22 AM

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but you have a water gun so that is a moot point

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:22 AM

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oh

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that's nice

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Maybe I'll try it

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:23 AM

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you gonna upload the video for the meme run?

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:23 AM

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40 heat

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well

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wow

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:24 AM

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talking about memes

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have anyone done a no boon run?

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:24 AM

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the only run ive uploaded is my beo speedrun but if i clear 40 with super soaker you best believe id upload that in a minute

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i know boonless shackle run has been done on 32

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dont know about 40+

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:24 AM

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I like how you have a cute name for it

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:25 AM

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how do you record tho ?

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:26 AM

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off topic so i'll DM

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:28 AM

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I got baited into an achilles cast run with zeus cast, and other than mirage shot I dont know what else is good lol

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Zeus boons I suppose, you don't really rely on other duos imo. Chaos gate could be good

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 12:29 AM

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deadly strike is nice to have

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same with heartbreak strike

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:31 AM

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already got it

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alright let's see how it goes

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I have quick reload, greater recall will be nice

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Video of the 50 heat poseidon is up in #self-promotion for those interested

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:37 AM

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are you some kind of divine being ?

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I wish

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:39 AM

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AP2 lol

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 12:39 AM

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bear in mind, there's over 400gb of footage of failed runs

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so yeah

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:39 AM

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You don't like TD3 in general ?

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Nah not really

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makes me play worse than TD2

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 12:41 AM

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does achilles' bonus not include dash strike or what

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:41 AM

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wow

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SD is so much better when it's not GY zaglol

cinder cave Nov 8, 2020, 12:47 AM

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I didn't even consider taking DD with GY

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mesmart

formal gust Nov 8, 2020, 12:53 AM

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DAMN it I died to hades on beowulf 32, if it was a 2 or 3 sack I would have had a prometheus stone, oh and also the enemy room in styx took 1 defiance and I would have won with that so :)))))))))))))

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:54 AM

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@north dove nice elysium fish bro

formal gust Nov 8, 2020, 12:54 AM

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I am in pain

gaunt fiber Nov 8, 2020, 12:54 AM

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well

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you'll get it next time

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or the time after

formal gust Nov 8, 2020, 12:56 AM

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beowulf went from being "ehh it's okay" to one of my favorite weapons in the game

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something about the dash strike bull rush combo while waiting for stygian to do its thing is super satisfying

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oh that run I had a heroic auto reload

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 1:08 AM

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yeah, same here, sad run

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I died to TD3 with 5% on asterius remaining

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I didnt watch the time and played around too much

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wow, serrated point is strong but that dash range though...

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this is going to be painful soon

formal gust Nov 8, 2020, 1:30 AM

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died on heroes this attempt

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 1:40 AM

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it happens

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with beo again?

honest kernel Nov 8, 2020, 1:47 AM

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@north dove Can I just say that your Hades fight in your 50 heat Poseidon sword run was just CLEAN ?

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Seriously, anyone that wants to learn the fight a bit better watch his video

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Thanks, my hands were very sweaty during that fight

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Can anyone give some recommendations for a first clear of EM4? My usual strats just aren't cutting it.

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I usually end up going either Chiron or Rama.

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Keep playing, a lot
From the sounds of it... it seems like it takes a lot of time to get the muscle memory down

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:08 AM

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part of me wants to try going with Beowulf + Dio Cast, but that's situational if it ends up good or not.

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(IE, how much Cast bonus I end up with)

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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what other pacts are you using

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Right now? None.

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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It can do a lot of burst damage and shield probably is one of the safer weapons, the -10% EHP is pretty real though

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Just EM4 by itself.

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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beowulf is pretty resistant if you can get mirage shot

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I think EM4 pushes Hades damage up quite a bit

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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you dont need chaos

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I want to actually learn and beat EM4 Hades consistently first.

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:09 AM

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probably just 1-2 poms and dio cast

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Normally I use the Pom Blossom for an entire run, but I'd have to start with Dio's cup if I wanted to ensure I got Trippy Flare on Beowulf.

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So I'd lose out on a few boon levels.

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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thats ok

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you only need 1 or 2 poms and mirage shot

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hope for an extra cast stone

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:10 AM

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I actually had a pretty solid bow build going on Chiron last attempt, but I just couldn't deal with how much harder EM4 Hades hits.

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Plus that new spear throw he gets always catches me off guard.

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:11 AM

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just watch for his double spin and spear throw

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phase 2 and 3 destroy pots as he heals

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hide in bottom right corner when he summons cerb

short tree Nov 8, 2020, 2:11 AM

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@north dove where can your videos be found?

true fable Nov 8, 2020, 2:11 AM

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#self-promotion

north dove Nov 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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^

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I think he hits for nearly 50% more... but I really don't do EM4 too often

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So a rough estimate, 40->60->66 (from Beo's 10% extra dmg)

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On the spin slash... if I'm not mistaken, it could be 55

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Beowulf can have some pretty nice safety though if you get the hammer that fires the piercing shot though? Is that what you're banking on?

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Nah, for Beowulf I bank on a hard hitting Trippy Flare.

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Since that shoots Trippy Flare some distance

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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More than anything else.

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Yeah, it actually shoots the cast

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Though yeah, that is a thing.

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I didn't like it because like... it makes it awkward to pick up the cast stone, but

grizzled jewel Nov 8, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I've also been eyeballing Chiron w/Demeter on Special. or possibly Ares if I can get the longer doom + Stacking doom effects.

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Demeter with bursting chill seems alright too from what I've tried, not sure it'd be enough tho

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Chiron does seem like one of the safest choices 🤷‍♂️ I haven't played it enough to know what you can get away with on Chiron though

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In terms of TD

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If you actually just want consistent runs, Demeter is nice for learning bosses... since slowing the boss by 40 (or 55% with Killing Freeze) ... well, you can see all the animations a lot easier

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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chiron is easiest if you just wanna do EM for the first time

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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When I was learning the game I pretty much always forced Demeter

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Her damage output is ... pretty garbo though

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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demeter special, abyssal blood if you need to

vernal hatch Nov 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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demeter is someone you have to stack to get better results

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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aphrodite on attack for that weak, get + boon to make enemy even weaker

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slow hades with 10 stacks of chill and abyssal blood, that's 65% slow

unreal pasture Nov 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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They might be multiplicative with each other, I'm not sure

rain sedge Nov 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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go all out if you must, take sure footing from athena, divine dash if you need