h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

yeah it does

i play way different on TD3 than i do on TD0

[ripe crane]

Timer makes you pick free rooms when you otherwise wouldn't

[edgy arrow]

^

[sly remnant]

thats only really true with the midshop

and maybe sisyphus

[mossy zinc]

You're also more likely to skip Chaos Gates with TD2 or lower.

[sly remnant]

but...why skip chaos?

[mossy zinc]

Because it's a risk.

[sly remnant]

is it that risky with SD?

[ripe crane]

Ya there are plenty of times I see a good boon or something coming up and Chaos could just be literally nothing but a detriment for 4 rooms, especially with AP

[mossy zinc]

Depends. If you take a Chaos Gate, get 3 terrible offers, and the next chamber has Elite Chariots . . .

[sly remnant]

sure

but you could have gotten those elite chariots just twice in a row with speeder

maybe you take a dio room instead and get afterparty

with strong drink

[honest kernel]

Part of why I run EM4 is because I main Hestia and DC is the worst for me lol

[mossy zinc]

I don't take Chaos Gates if the run is going well and I'm good on time. Maybe if I have rerolls. But I'd rather save those rerolls for something else, probably.

[sly remnant]

i mean it depends on the weapon

[edgy arrow]

yeah i’ve lost a bunch of decent runs because i got greedy and stacked curses in elysium

it’s less about the health loss and more about the curses i think

[sly remnant]

i mean some of this is just understanding what your build can handle

i'll skip chaos sometimes too, but that decision is usually independent of timer

[honest kernel]

I pretty much always dodge Chaos in Elysium

[sly remnant]

elysium chaos is the best time to chaos

[honest kernel]

Since I never have rerolls there

[mossy zinc]

Usually, but not always. It's just one of the ways TD3 can impact your decision making.

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[mossy zinc]

I'm also definitely taking every obol trove on TD2 lol.

Less likely on TD3.

[edgy arrow]

i find it difficult to believe that TD3 doesn’t impact your choice to take chaos gates at all

unless you’re not taking CP/JS/DC or something

[sly remnant]

i mean it depends on the weapon

if i'm playing beo

i want all the chaos i can see regardless

[mossy zinc]

For sure.

[edgy arrow]

sure

[sly remnant]

if i'm playing demeter

i'm less likely to take chaos

because my clear is fast

and i'll be riskier with my room selection because i know i'm clearing fast anyways

and if its rama i'm taking chaos and going fast anyways (tho i am not a good rama player)

[mossy zinc]

Honestly, any time I play Malphon I have JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 on lol.

[sly remnant]

^right my clear speed is insanely fast

sure i'll still die to the timer

but thats much more sac and ASterius spin rng

[edgy arrow]

i mean, JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 sounds bearable on malphon yeah

but i’d be taking every chaos gate i see lol

i’m sure i’m much slower than y’all ofc

[sly remnant]

eh. you'll have to take some but i think on malphon you can def afford to skip some

if you are rolling

i think its just about understanding what your build is good at and where you are at in the run

[edgy arrow]

like i said; i’m prolly just slow

[sly remnant]

Nyaa is also a pretty good malphon player. I learned how to play MElphon by watching her YT

[mossy zinc]

I have the high-heat record with Malphon for old school TD2 with JS3 CP2 DC2 and old school Bruisers, so no number of enemies can phase me now.

[edgy arrow]

i which i was a boss so that when enemies phase me i get more powerful

[ripe crane]

Isn't that literally what god mode does?

[edgy arrow]

i wanna shoot lasers in a circle around me tho

what kinda lame ass boss just gains 2% dr when you phase them

[ripe crane]

Zagreus

[mossy zinc]

Hades gets easier when you phase him.

Speaking of.

Hades to me for 500+ hours: "You're holding back!"

In 1.0, after 500+ hours, EM4: "No holding back anymore."

[ripe crane]

Nice, you finally unlocked the real EM4 fight

[mossy zinc]

There was no EM4 before 1.0 lol.

But he always kept droning on about how Zagreus shouldn't hold back, and how he's going all out.

[cinder cave]

Nice, you finally unlocked the real EM4 fight
@ripe crane You mean the Bouldy fight?

[ripe crane]

Dad just wanted to build Zag's confidence by letting him win

[mossy zinc]

Maybe holding back runs in the family.

[true fable]

i feel like i ran into issues in elysium with TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 on malphon but i also probably miss some pretty easy timesave here and there

i felt like if i didnt get 1-2 free rooms aside from midshop time usually runs out around chamber 32-34

maybe i just need more breaching cross

[cinder cave]

i mean those enemies are so tanky and numerous

wouldn't TD3 just be ambitious

what heat are you shooting for?

that's a hardcore heat setup

[true fable]

40

i dont want to take EM4 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean frigate]

4 heat is a lot

[true fable]

i also probably rely on getting ME a bit much

what are some AP resistant builds for fists

thunderfists?

[cerulean frigate]

when you're trying to push past 32

[true fable]

i believe it and it looks tempting

i am just scared

[cerulean frigate]

lightning strike is great DPS on fists. that was my 32 clear

[true fable]

what do you look for outside of first boon

[cerulean frigate]

it felt a little slow even with jolted and splitting bolt in styx/em4 fight but idk

[true fable]

maybe smoldering air?

[cerulean frigate]

i blitzed absolutely everything else along the way

[mossy zinc]

i feel like i ran into issues in elysium with TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 on malphon but i also probably miss some pretty easy timesave here and there
@true fable it's not really that it's easy, at this point it's just a matter of pride for me lol.

[sly remnant]

I normally don't take CP2 in that lineup on Malphon

DC2 with lightning strike is hard to pass up tho

hell DC2 WITHOUT lightning strike on fists is hard to pass up

[true fable]

yeah i've been taking it with curse of agony

still mostly works

feels like the beefy armored tanks in elysium are the major rate limiting factor for the most part

[mossy zinc]

Me and @fading star are like the OG Malphon mains. So I'm not settling for anything less than outstanding lol.

[cerulean frigate]

i hate the poppers benefit. feels bad standing around waiting for them to explode on melee weapons

[mossy zinc]

I should do something with "Mewmew Special" in 1.0 . . . or whatever is in the same spirit since the original build is pretty much dead at this point.

[cerulean frigate]

drunken strike, heartbreak flourish, splitting headache dem fists

[mossy zinc]

Ew.

[cerulean frigate]

yes

[sly remnant]

but why

[true fable]

picking up true shot for duos is fun

[sly remnant]

your damage is gonna be so ass

on basic attack

[mossy zinc]

I think @fading star likes Drunken Strike on Malphon.

[cerulean frigate]

it feels immensely wrong to me

[sly remnant]

i mean it applies the stacks fast

[mossy zinc]

But I dunno. That was in like... Nighty Night I think lol. Dunno if he still uses that at all.

[sly remnant]

but after that you are getting zero benefit from the attacks until the stacks expire

[mossy zinc]

Tempest Strike, Drunken Flourish, Exclusive Access.

Best Malphon build.

[cerulean frigate]

lmao oh no

[true fable]

i think i threw up a little

[mossy zinc]

On Gilgamesh.

[true fable]

[cerulean frigate]

all green mirror for that too, right

[sly remnant]

if you want exclusive access that badly i feel like there are way better aspects to do it on

[mossy zinc]

Mirrorless.

[cinder cave]

I miss exclusive access

haven't built around dio in a while

[sly remnant]

play beo

[cinder cave]

i actually just played beo

went aphro cast tho

guess dio cast is also good?

[true fable]

sweet nectar then

[mossy zinc]

You'll want Stygian Soul for that, and yes, it's very good.

[cinder cave]

i tried...

[cerulean frigate]

it's a cute meme but realistically you're going to see exclusive access in late elysium or in styx a lot of the time

[cinder cave]

fated persuasion didn't cooperate

[true fable]

stygian dio is very fun

[cinder cave]

😓

[sly remnant]

stygian dio is a blast

[true fable]

like having a nuke on a 3 second CD

[sly remnant]

big purple numbers

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf with Trippy Flare or Chiron with Drunken Flourish are the 2 I can think of were he's really strong.

[true fable]

turns out it doesn't matter how hard dad hits you if he can't get in a hit

[cerulean frigate]

drunken strike arthur best build

[cinder cave]

all of my early runs were dio centric

then i discovered ME

[sly remnant]

you'll want poseidon anyways for dio beo because of mirage shot

[true fable]

you basically just want poseidon zeus artemis dio for stygian dio imo

[cinder cave]

I hear a lot of praise for mirage shot- is it really that good of a duo?

[true fable]

and a chaos gate or two

[sly remnant]

zeus is optional but nice

[true fable]

yes

[sly remnant]

mirage shot is insane

[true fable]

mirage shot is super super good especially with stygian dio

[mossy zinc]

Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast are not even a priority for me for Trippy Flare. I just want Fully Loaded and Mirage Shot.

[sly remnant]

^i agree

[true fable]

ice wine is just straight up not good on beowulf

[cerulean frigate]

remember when mirage shot was just a tier 2 Artemis boon

[true fable]

scintillating feast is not a priority for me but if zeus ends up in my pool why not

oh god gross

[sly remnant]

yea if you get zeus its fine

[true fable]

that feels extra broken

[sly remnant]

but you don't need to force him

[cinder cave]

can someone break down why mirage shot is so insane?

[sly remnant]

armor

[true fable]

+30% on a separate hit

[cerulean frigate]

i don't remember what it was even called

[mossy zinc]

Remember when Lady Demeter did not exist and could not give you an AP2 Nourished Soul boon?

[true fable]

you can phase armor with the first and kill with the second

[mossy zinc]

Ahhh, the good old days.

[true fable]

mirage shot basically makes any enemy in elysium one shottable even with DC1 CP2

[cerulean frigate]

I'm never turning on AP2 so I'll stick with the 0% after party meme instead

[true fable]

as long as you've pommed your cast a few times

[cinder cave]

oh right and you just

invest a lot into your cast

so the second shot is actually a big deal

[true fable]

stonks

yeah

[cinder cave]

okay thank you

I didn't think of it that way before

[true fable]

and mirage shot scales multiplicatively with your cast damage

[cerulean frigate]

mirage shot with flood and blizzard shot is when it's at its silliest

[mossy zinc]

Remember when a chamber with 3 Bruiser Snakestones was just very simply the end of your run—no ifs, ands, or buts?

[cinder cave]

for high dps and chill application?

[cerulean frigate]

blizzard shot doesn't apply chill

it applies obscene amounts of damage instead

[cinder cave]

oh so it turns flood shot from a utility KB

[true fable]

@mossy zinc in the words of someone wiser than I, "just block" 🔫

[cerulean frigate]

the best status is dead

[cinder cave]

into crazy dps

thanks

[mossy zinc]

It wasn't the damage that was the problem.

It was their massive HP pool.

That was a boss chamber.

[tidal flame]

then go to the dps store and buy more dps

[mossy zinc]

No u.

How can you read about Bruiser Snakestones and not also get PTSD?

You were there.

[tidal flame]

oh for that I went to the patch note store and get some new patch notes

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[viscid imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564201546435526674/773984328060633178/unknown.png @mossy zinc @cinder cave @edgy arrow @gaunt fiber @dusty flint wish me luck

[gaunt fiber]

what are you doing Bouldy ?

[viscid imp]

im going into complete and utter chaos

[gaunt fiber]

It's no use

[tidal flame]

god speed rebel

[gaunt fiber]

You won't get past Tartarus my friend

[edgy arrow]

i believe

[true fable]

this looks like a chamber 4 reset

[edgy arrow]

no EM4 ezpz

[tidal flame]

well just record it in case miracle happens

[cerulean frigate]

It's with hera. what could go wrong

[cinder cave]

I believe in Bouldy

[gaunt fiber]

Hm...

[cinder cave]

what's wrong with you guys

[viscid imp]

thank you

this is first time heat btw

what could go wrong

[cinder cave]

I believe everyone can see that

:)

[viscid imp]

first times a charm

[true fable]

oh no

[gaunt fiber]

Ok let's bet

chamber 5 death

[cerulean frigate]

You could walk into 90% faster savior numbskulls

[edgy arrow]

this is first time heat btw
...

0-51 y’all

[tidal flame]

I give it to chamber 10

[true fable]

maybe the legendary chamber 1 death?

a truly rare crop

[mossy zinc]

@viscid imp see you back in a minute.

[tidal flame]

place your bets here

[true fable]

"I...uh, forgot something"

[gaunt fiber]

@viscid imp see you back in a minute.
@mossy zinc He has a temple to build too, that's better that way

[cerulean frigate]

wait, why isn't routine inspection on that pact list

[tidal flame]

he hasn't filled out his mirror yet

lmao

[cinder cave]

he doesn't have mirror xD

[gaunt fiber]

Ok

[cinder cave]

hey at the very least

[tidal flame]

you need to unlock all 4 tiers of mirror

[viscid imp]

omg

its

[cinder cave]

Bouldy's posting in the right channel

[tidal flame]

so that's actually 2 extra heat

[viscid imp]

so intense

[tidal flame]

technically 53 heat there

[gaunt fiber]

chamber 5 was really ambitious

[viscid imp]

im still alive haha

[tidal flame]

if you play cautious, chamber 10 then die to TD

my bet

[gaunt fiber]

TD will kill him

for sure

[true fable]

i can't tell is it SD LC4?

it's kind of hard to lose all your DDs in tartarus no matter how you crack it

[gaunt fiber]

It's about getting out of Tartarus

[edgy arrow]

at 51 it’s not so hard lol

[true fable]

just waiting for the discord status to change from "battling out of tartarus" to "in the house of hades"

[cerulean frigate]

0 straight to 51

[tidal flame]

well technically this is 53

because his mirror isn't unlocked all the way

[cerulean frigate]

i will be impressed if they get out of tartarus

[tidal flame]

so no last 3 mirror talents at least

[viscid imp]

soo

umm

[true fable]

can you even do RI without mirror fully unlocked

[viscid imp]

yeah

[true fable]

chamber number?

[edgy arrow]

you won!?

[viscid imp]

hahaha

[gaunt fiber]

House hades

[tidal flame]

can you even do RI without mirror fully unlocked
no, the option is not available

[viscid imp]

nope

yeah house of hades

i ran into some witches

and it was

[tidal flame]

that's why I said it's technically 53, because of the RIx missing

[viscid imp]

an experience

[true fable]

yeah it happens

[gaunt fiber]

Chamber number please

[tidal flame]

cloning homing witcher

xD

[true fable]

seeker slugger witches 💀

[cerulean frigate]

cloning seeker witches make me want to scream

[viscid imp]

5 or 6

hahahaha

[edgy arrow]

did you get cloner seeker witches? those’re a classic

[gaunt fiber]

YES

[true fable]

ayyyy

[gaunt fiber]

I GOT IT

[tidal flame]

😦

[cinder cave]

xd

[viscid imp]

im sorry

i didnt realise

[mossy zinc]

I'd take Seeker Witches over Speeder Witches tbh.

[viscid imp]

how intense

max heat

[cinder cave]

I mean

[viscid imp]

is

[cinder cave]

it's 50+ heat

that's like near world record levels

[mossy zinc]

It's not max heat yet, you don't have some pact options unlocked yet.

[viscid imp]

oh

[mossy zinc]

Max heat is 63 lol.

[viscid imp]

JEEZE

[mossy zinc]

64 in Hell mode.

[edgy arrow]

yeah if you’d won it would have literally been a WR for Hera

[gaunt fiber]

too bad

[cerulean frigate]

65 heat: amir nerfs the build you're building for in the middle of the run.

[true fable]

WR with mirror not fully unlocked LOL

[cinder cave]

woulda been a pretty legendary achievement

[tidal flame]

what's the hera record for 1.0?

[cinder cave]

to do that on your first heat

[tidal flame]

anyone knows?

[true fable]

65 heat is amir picking the AP2 options

wait he does that already

[cerulean frigate]

you are leaving tartarus with after party and nourished soul.

[viscid imp]

maybe next time

i will

[gaunt fiber]

At least you ate and drank

[viscid imp]

prevail

[ripe crane]

I don't see any Hera 1.0 runs on the spreadsheet, therefore none have ever been completed. Free WR for whoever finishes one next

[edgy arrow]

lol

[viscid imp]

lets goooooo gonna be on the sheet

[tidal flame]

alright, brb

[true fable]

so literally whoever completes 40 gets on the sheet

[tidal flame]

time to claim Hera WR

honestly not that hard

[edgy arrow]

lmao does this mean i’m technically the beo WR holder?

[tidal flame]

probably xD

what's your heat

[edgy arrow]

40

[cerulean frigate]

I'm pretty sure nya could crank out a 45 beo run first or second try.

[edgy arrow]

maybe shouldn’t be counted tho, as i had a bug where i got parting shot

[viscid imp]

the worst part is

i died to a trap

[edgy arrow]

which isn’t supposed to happen on beo apparently

[tidal flame]

I'm pretty sure nya could crank out a 45 beo run first or second try.
not to doubt her too much, but charged flight got nerfed p badly

[gaunt fiber]

Ofc

[viscid imp]

while trying to kite the witches

there was so many

[cinder cave]

Heightened Security hurts

[viscid imp]

and so many projectiles

[cinder cave]

a lot

[true fable]

ello/bablo haven't done 40+ heat on beo yet?

that feels wrong

[viscid imp]

and armour

[cerulean frigate]

but now passion flare is back to bonkers scaling

[viscid imp]

we go again boys

and girls

[edgy arrow]

yeah it’s whack that beo isn’t on the spreadsheet

[cinder cave]

WR attempt #2?

[tidal flame]

bruh, maybe max out your mirror first?

[viscid imp]

hell yeah

ah true

[tidal flame]

also unlock EM4

[cinder cave]

gl

[tidal flame]

so you can do the true WR

[viscid imp]

how do i unlock that

[tidal flame]

beat the game 10(?) times?

[true fable]

hmm

bouldy i don't want to discourage you from doing what you want to do but uh

50+ heat may not be the move quite yet

[viscid imp]

oh right and ur profile picture was me when i walked in on the witches in the room

yeah

its

[tidal flame]

someone did went from 1 to 41

[viscid imp]

intense

[edgy arrow]

everyone else going up in heat, like chumps, meanwhile bouldy here going down from 51

[tidal flame]

so it's possible to go from 0 to 50+

[viscid imp]

if i believe

[remote sun]

What is the interaction of Life Affirmation with Lasting Consequences?

[tidal flame]

it's a matter of perseverance and self torture

What is the interaction of Life Affirmation with Lasting Consequences?
awesome

[cerulean frigate]

lasting consequences doesn't affect max hp gain

[mossy zinc]

Life Affirmation is unaffected by LC.

[cerulean frigate]

only healing

[tidal flame]

you get more max health

so that means "more" healing via SD

[mossy zinc]

Life Affirmation has been a silent carry of many 40+ Heat runs.

[remote sun]

Bless

[tidal flame]

yup, that and premium vintage

[cerulean frigate]

chamber 1 42% life affirmation

[true fable]

premium vintage is such a nice boon to get on LC4

you mean i can pom something AND heal?

don't threaten me with a good time

[cerulean frigate]

after party

[edgy arrow]

i assumed it was written wrong and didn’t do anything on LC4 for ages lol

[dusty flint]

Wtf did someone tag me

[tidal flame]

no?

[edgy arrow]

then i took it by accident one time

[remote sun]

Is Sisyphus also affected by Lasting Consequences?

[tidal flame]

yup

[cerulean frigate]

that's healing so yes

[remote sun]

rip

[dusty flint]

Weird I got the notification ony discord
Like the number

[tidal flame]

also gold if Sisyphus

[edgy arrow]

yeah if you take LC4 sisyphus can’t heal himself

[dusty flint]

Fml sry guys

[edgy arrow]

you monster

[tidal flame]

maybe someone tags you then delete?

[dusty flint]

What a cruel human

[edgy arrow]

what a weird prank lol

[dusty flint]

Fates are playing a trick on my

[remote sun]

Thanks guys

[viscid imp]

@dusty flint it was me

jk

[tidal flame]

there you go

[dusty flint]

I mean I could've understood getting called by my kind

Well have fun

[viscid imp]

a boulder to a boulder

[dusty flint]

Boulders attract or something

[tidal flame]

I should get lunch

hmm

[mossy zinc]

@viscid imp my best advice (personal opinion) is finish all your bounties with one aspect and use the experience to optimize your builds for it and really get the moveset and everything down (with FO2 always active from 6 Heat onwards), then practice and beat 32 with that.

Then move on to 40+.

[tidal flame]

I think they are doing it for the meme.

[edgy arrow]

imagine the flex if they do it tho

even if it takes months

[viscid imp]

how do i pin something haha and good advice thank you @mossy zinc

[tidal flame]

pin something?

[viscid imp]

on discord

[tidal flame]

you can't unless you are admin

[viscid imp]

ah right

[tidal flame]

mods*

[cerulean frigate]

i've been practicing the em4 fight more. it's so difficult ;(

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, only mods can pin something.

[tidal flame]

can some one mod me?

[mossy zinc]

Maybe you could copy it to your personal OneNote or something like that.

[tidal flame]

I promise to be good.

[viscid imp]

haha true i will actually

'hades notes'

[tidal flame]

I have a txt file with links to imgur of Hades moment.

[remote sun]

Is Quick Recovery also cancelled by Lasting Consequences?

[mossy zinc]

No.

All the boons and items that are affected by LC will have a tooltip or text in their description that they're affected.

[ripe crane]

Except hydralite gold >:(

[mossy zinc]

Are you sure that it doesn't have a tooltip?

Can you F10 it next time?

They probably just missed it if that's the case. They're polishing up all those small things in the tech branch now.

[ripe crane]

Actually it's been so long that I selected it, it may show it now. I will check next time

[mossy zinc]

👍🏽

[fervent bear]

what qualifies as high heat?

i'm just hitting 20 heat on a few of my weapons

and it's starting to feel a little high

[tidal flame]

The official statement is any heat that you are struggling with.
The implied heat here is at least 32 heat, usually 40+.

No one will snark at you for asking questions though.

[fervent bear]

ah okay, so still a little ways to go

[mossy zinc]

Probably anything beyond where you get bounties, I guess.

But people tend to jump from 20 to 32 since there's an actual in-game reward for 32 Heat.

[fervent bear]

wait you stop getting bounties after 20 heat?

[mossy zinc]

Yes, in Normal mode.

[tidal flame]

for each weapon, yes

[mossy zinc]

Hell mode goes up to 25.

[fervent bear]

by bounties you mean the extra darkness / gems?

[gritty sorrel]

blood, diamond, etc

[mossy zinc]

No.

[fervent bear]

ah

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, those.

[fervent bear]

well that's a bummer

i like getting gems and blood and diamonds

[gritty sorrel]

you can still buy them

[remote sun]

Yay first 32 heat completion, thanks again for answering all my questions

[fervent bear]

what'd you do it with?

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations! 🥳

[remote sun]

I'll post in #h1-victory-boasting 😁

[mossy zinc]

That's a lot of HP lol.

[remote sun]

Indeed. I doubled damage so every bit helped

[honest kernel]

So, from what I've gathered here, I don't use Cast nearly enough (pretty much only on tough targets to Boiling Blood them)
Assuming one gets good RNG too get what they want, what are the most ideal Casts to go for? What does a Cast-centric build look like excluding the aspects that are built around them?

I've always just gone for Artemis for ease of use

[mossy zinc]

Cast builds at high heat are only really a thing at high heat on cast aspects.

Unless you happen to RNG into something.

Phalanx Shot is probably ideal for melee, but just supplementary. It's not the focus of the build at all.

But it lets you engage groups of enemies safely.

[cerulean frigate]

even with heart rend exploding launcher punishing sweep deadly flourish the spear special felt so underwhelming against bosses

especially em4

[loud coral]

I ran Hades on 40 heat for the first time and yeah, the special just feels bad at times

Really slow, and even with Charged Skewer and Heartbreak Flourish, it didn’t feel that great to use at all

[true fable]

the special goes really quick with exploding launcher though

and you can animation cancel it into spin

[loud coral]

Exploding Launcher does seem good, haven’t gotten it that much though

I guess Zag Spear is supposed to fix the special being bad but if you need an aspect to make a move not bad then it probably needs a buff

[honest kernel]

I wish all the Zag aspects had doubled numbers in exchange for double blood cost

They're just kinda underwhelming for the most part

[mossy zinc]

They're supposed to be just an improved version of the base weapon.

[honest kernel]

Yeah, I get that
But I feel like it's a wasted opportunity

But uh, back to my earlier question
Is it worth it going for duo boons in Cast-centric builds?

[cerulean frigate]

at least zag fists and shield have a reason to be used.

[honest kernel]

Or are those just "if you're lucky to get them"

[cerulean frigate]

depends on the cast/gods

[tidal flame]

I really think they meant Zag aspects to be slightly less powerful than other aspects.

[loud coral]

Zag Rail can work well with Spread Fire too, assuming you’re lucky with boons

[honest kernel]

Yeah Zag fists are the only Zag aspect I like

[cerulean frigate]

like, parting shot is very good on hera.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, some cast builds don't really care for anything but poms or specific Duo Boons.

Or Chaos Gates, of course.

[honest kernel]

I see

[mossy zinc]

All cast builds want Chaos Gates.

[tidal flame]

In an interview, Amir mentioned when people complained about Zag Bow or something, he said what did you expect for 5 blood.

[loud coral]

A side quest where you could unlock the ability to further upgrade Zag aspects would be nice though

[mossy zinc]

They really help out a lot when starting out.

[honest kernel]

That's why I wouldn't mind them being increased in cost, if they were buffed

[mossy zinc]

Can easily max them and do some stuff with them.

[honest kernel]

Or what Ach just said

[mossy zinc]

I think they're mostly fine in terms of balance. Zag rail just suffers from not being Eris. Zag sword suffers from being sword.

[cerulean frigate]

yeah, well. there's an immense strength difference between 10% crit chance on the bow attack versus 15% movespeed and 15% attack speed on an attack combo you never want to use to begin with.

[tidal flame]

No that's fair. I'm just providing info that I know.

[true fable]

thats a funny amir quote lol

i like that one

[honest kernel]

Yeah but sword goes whoosh

[mossy zinc]

Remember to end all your balance complaints with "Thanks, Amir."

[tough elk]

so you're tell me third aspects are the best for every weapon

16 blood baby

[loud coral]

Zag Rail is probably the best as a “noob” aspect, newer players are gonna struggle with ammo a lot more so a cheap option to buff it is actually super nice

[true fable]

"what did you expect for 5 blood" is going to be my new reply to people complaining about zag aspects

[honest kernel]

The worst part of Zag rail is that Delta Chamber deletes your entire aspect

[loud coral]

Everyone’s gonna laugh until someone does 56 heat with Zag Sword

[honest kernel]

I feel like that shouldn't be a thing lol

[tidal flame]

Eris Hazard Bomb

[honest kernel]

Hey, you can still do that

:Keke:

[tidal flame]

Demeter fists with the 3strike hammer

[loud coral]

The worst part about Eris Hazard Bomb isn’t even the damage, it’s the stun that’s terrible

[tidal flame]

Anti synergies exist, it's game knowledge

[honest kernel]

Oh, cross server emotes disabled whoops

[mossy zinc]

40+ has been done with every aspect. So it's fine.

Zag sword obviously just gets carried by ME, so no biggie.

[tidal flame]

Hey, you can still do that
I know, I did, with devastating results.

[mossy zinc]

As long as it's melee, it can do ME.

[honest kernel]

Lol

[mossy zinc]

So they all have a chance.

[honest kernel]

ME?

[mossy zinc]

(Delete ME, Amir. Thank you. )

[loud coral]

Actually Zag Sword with ME doesn’t sound bad

[cerulean frigate]

does the hazard bomb self damage still have the ability to crit you if you take pressure points

[loud coral]

Yup

[tidal flame]

A famous song by Taylor Swift

[cerulean frigate]

amazing

[honest kernel]

Oh dang this game has that licensing too

[mossy zinc]

Merciful End.

[honest kernel]

Gotcha, lol

[mossy zinc]

Merzzzful Zzz.

[cerulean frigate]

RIP procing merciful end with multihits way more times than intended

[mossy zinc]

I actually never liked ME.

[tidal flame]

Love thyself.

It's important.

[mossy zinc]

Same way I didn't like Chaos Aspect before 1.0.

[cerulean frigate]

i just don't like it much when there's only a couple good options to put in a slot and the rest are severely underwhelming

[mossy zinc]

They're not even underwhelming.

ME is just stupid good.

[cerulean frigate]

i try not to build into ME.

[mossy zinc]

At least in high heat it doesn't show up as much because you kind of want something more reliable with CF2 etc.

[tidal flame]

I miss the old ME
Straight from the Doom ME
Enable Dash ME
Set from the start ME

[mossy zinc]

If you balanced the game, rail hammers would just all be Spread Fire (Nighty Night version) 1, Spread Fire (Cold Winter version), etc.

Like that would be all the hammers. Just different versions of Spread Fire.

[radiant cipher]

i only recently started pushing past 20 heat with chiron bow, any ideas which aspects could potentially be better?

[cerulean frigate]

the 5 shot spread was so busted

[mossy zinc]

@radiant cipher probably Rama.

[cerulean frigate]

rama and chiron are both really good.

[tidal flame]

Yeah, it's SF all the way down.

[mossy zinc]

But maybe Chiron is better at like 32. I dunno actually.

[tidal flame]

Imagine sf on rama

5 cluster shot

[mossy zinc]

[radiant cipher]

i lowkey wanna do a 36 run for the last statue

[tidal flame]

Sure, non piercing

[true fable]

you only need 32 for the last statue

[tidal flame]

Blocked by minions, otherwise it's too op

[radiant cipher]

oh?

okay thats better then

[cerulean frigate]

8/16/32 heat for statues

but do 36 anyway for the flex 🔫

[mossy zinc]

I think the higher you go, the more Rama pulls ahead of Chiron. But Chiron might do better or pull even for a while? I dunno. It's super safe, and you don't need the DPS from Rama until very high heats.

[radiant cipher]

i tried a 36 and got to like... 5th room in tartarus

[tidal flame]

Actually you need to clear maxheat for the 4th skelly reward.

[radiant cipher]

do you actually use the attack on rama?

[loud coral]

Yeah

[tidal flame]

do you actually use the attack on rama?
Absolutely yes.

[cerulean frigate]

the attack is what makes rama clear that very high heat

[radiant cipher]

seemed way too slow to be worth it for me

[mossy zinc]

Dash-Strikes mainly. Not regular Attack.

[radiant cipher]

ah

[gaunt fiber]

Actually you need to clear maxheat for the 4th skelly reward.
@tidal flame True

[mossy zinc]

Dash-Strikes charge faster.

[radiant cipher]

well i dont have the blood for it currently

[loud coral]

The speed isn’t as bad as you might think, it’s got good damage plus hammer boons make it

[cerulean frigate]

the standing attack is rarely worth it though

[honest kernel]

standing attack Explosive Shot Rama

[sly remnant]

rama is just a learning process

[cerulean frigate]

we're talking like, hades is urn healing

[mossy zinc]

Eris is probably #1 overall, though.

[tidal flame]

standing attack Explosive Shot Rama
Hold A, get a pillow, sleep, open your eyes, release A.

[radiant cipher]

i absolutely cannot make the gun work besides lucifer

[sly remnant]

SUPASOAKA

[cerulean frigate]

are you putting lightning strike on the attack slot?

[radiant cipher]

on lucifer yes

the others feel too clunky

[honest kernel]

I love Hestia gun, but DC or BP foes with DC as an effect make me sad

[mossy zinc]

If you can make Lucifer work, that's already more than what most people can claim lol.

[cerulean frigate]

because the road so sadness is deadly strike on zag/eris without spread fire.

[ripe crane]

Hestia is bestia

[radiant cipher]

i make it work so well that i left it behind for chiron bow lul

felt like cheating

[true fable]

is lucifer actually the worst aspect

[honest kernel]

I love the concept of Lucifer gun but it feels... clunky, somehow

[radiant cipher]

stacking zeus with calls on lucifer made it too easy for me between 15-20

[true fable]

i feel like peopel are just saying that

[cerulean frigate]

lucifer is far from the worst.

[radiant cipher]

i absolutely love lucifer

[true fable]

especially with the special buff

[cerulean frigate]

it's middling i'd say. got some good traits, got some bad.

[loud coral]

Lucifer with Eternal Chamber, Thunder Strike, and Support Fire is actually super fun imo, though if you’re lucky you can get Tempest Strike and Sea Storm

[mossy zinc]

I have no idea how good Lucifer is. I just know most people don't know what to do with it lol.

[radiant cipher]

i dont even use the special much on it, just to apply a curse

[honest kernel]

Poseidon Attack on Lucifer = killing your dad with a super soaker

[sly remnant]

the special is pretty good

[radiant cipher]

zeus or aphrodite attack on it feel very smooth for me

[honest kernel]

if that's not the best thing ever i don't know what is

[sly remnant]

triple bomb lucifer is legit

[radiant cipher]

either faster ramp with aphrodite or unending ammo with zeus

[cerulean frigate]

triple bomb is transformative to it though with the special speed buff

[mossy zinc]

You obviously gotta go with pink lasers on Lucifer Aspect.

Anything else is just blasphemy.

[loud coral]

I accidentally took Lucifer on 40 heat once and actually managed to make it to Elysium even without knowing how to use it well, Zeus boons are really good with the attack

[radiant cipher]

zeus with unending ammo is really really good too

[loud coral]

You obviously gotta go with pink lasers on Lucifer Aspect.
but muh super soaker

[sly remnant]

i've gotten to hades at 40 heat with lucy

[honest kernel]

i wish Athena laser actually had deflection along the entire beam
but it doesn't seem to work that way

[cerulean frigate]

the damage ramp on % boons doesn't really... idk, work?

even with the hammer

[true fable]

i think i need to try a super soaker run for fun

[radiant cipher]

it does tho

aphrodite hits like a truck

[cerulean frigate]

it's so much less damage than just slapping on thunder strike

[radiant cipher]

if you get legendary charm with the beam it's mostly gg

[sly remnant]

but whats the point in making a wet noodle hit like a wet noodle with 50%

[loud coral]

Sea Storm

[cerulean frigate]

even super soaker is better damage because of sea storm carry

[honest kernel]

yeah

[sly remnant]

exactly

super soaker is the way

[honest kernel]

Poseidon boon stacking is nice

[radiant cipher]

ive rarely used poseidon for literally anything

i hate the knockback

[loud coral]

Wait can’t you chain Breaking Waves with super soaker?

[true fable]

how do you get zeus? cast?

or special?

[honest kernel]

or dash

[sly remnant]

cast or special

[true fable]

i feel like i'd still want splash dash

at least my dash will do damage if tempest strike wont

[honest kernel]

fair

[sly remnant]

yea you still want splash dash for sure

[loud coral]

Most times I take Zeus for the attack or cast, but yeah special is good too

[honest kernel]

but yeah Zeus on cast probs

[loud coral]

wait which weapon are we talking about

[cerulean frigate]

splash dash is your only real way of "stunning"

[honest kernel]

laser gun

[radiant cipher]

what heat options do i go for for a 30+ run? im most comfortable with chiron bow atm

[cerulean frigate]

athena dash is probably still better at higher heats on rail though.

[sly remnant]

chiron is very capable of easily clearing 30+

[honest kernel]

probably best to just try random heat settings to see what works for you

EM3 is pretty free tho

[cerulean frigate]

chiron has a 50 clear

[sly remnant]

yea you need athena dash for 40+

[radiant cipher]

oh ever since i unlocked it im running em4

[tidal flame]

what heat options do i go for for a 30+ run? im most comfortable with chiron bow atm
Can you do Fo2?

[loud coral]

TD2, EM3, BP2, LC4, CF2. Those are the standards usually

[radiant cipher]

for all my runs

[honest kernel]

most of the upper half of the Pact of Punishment you can drop 1-2 points in without much of a worry

[radiant cipher]

fo2 is VERY tough

[true fable]

yeah i also probably would not run super soaker on high heat lol

[loud coral]

Oh yeah FO2 is good too

[sly remnant]

super soaker at 40 is super great

[true fable]

FO2 is very tough but i think FO2 is necessary if you want to do high heats

[sly remnant]

its the easiest elysium of your life

[honest kernel]

I've done super soaker at 30s with good results

[loud coral]

With Calculated Risk or Chill then it’s not as unbearable

[honest kernel]

never beaten 40 so can't attest that

[true fable]

honestly a super soaker 40 heat is more impressive than some 50s

[cerulean frigate]

Has anyone done the hardcore math on gold expectancy per chamber, biome and the overall run

[loud coral]

Also Hyper Sprint makes FO2 EM3 Asterius miles easier

[sly remnant]

yea i've only done 36 heat super soaker

[tidal flame]

FO2 is very tough but i think FO2 is necessary if you want to do high heats
not 32 high.

[cerulean frigate]

because i get the feeling that CF1 is not a big deal

but CF2 is

[radiant cipher]

is routine inspection ever used at all? i got it at 3 for a run and it kicked my ass

[true fable]

yeah but if you want to go anywhere higher than 32 i think FO2 becomes pretty necessary

RI is very hard

[sly remnant]

nah you don't need FO2 until 40+

[cerulean frigate]

Routine Inspection is one of the last things to turn on. Dark Foresight too good.

[tidal flame]

with 32 heat you can do BP2, DC2, UC, AP1, TD3, MM, EM3, CF2

[sly remnant]

its just a matter of when you want to learn it

[loud coral]

Never gone past RI1 for my own sanity, you don’t ever take it until like 40 heat maybe

[tidal flame]

that should be more than 20 heat I think

[sly remnant]

RI2 is very manageable

[tidal flame]

the rest can be some allocations between the other heat.

[true fable]

at 32 heat you can do AP2

[sly remnant]

don't torture yourself

[tidal flame]

I meant AP1

[sly remnant]

please don't do that

[loud coral]

I never even took AP1 for 32 heat tbh

[true fable]

this is how you end up with slicing shot and athena call on an ME build like i did

[sly remnant]

you don't need AP1

[tidal flame]

AP2 means you have 2 options left, obviously

[true fable]

made it to meg before getting my teeth kicked in

[honest kernel]

the worst part about AP is that it tells you what you're missing out on

[cerulean frigate]

just put all the pact conditions into a randomizer and go with what the randomizer spits out for 32 heat

im sure nothing bad will happen like AP2 RI4

[true fable]

RI4 EM4 AP2

[tidal flame]

you don't need AP1
no, but the guy said he doesn't want to do FO2

[true fable]

brilliant

[cerulean frigate]

[tidal flame]

the heat needs to go somehwere

[sly remnant]

AP1 is quite manageable

[radiant cipher]

AP feels way too clunky for me

[sly remnant]

eh

[true fable]

still waiting for strimmers to make the RI4 category

[honest kernel]

honestly EM4 is fine at 32

[true fable]

seems like it'd be popular

[sly remnant]

don't we have RI4 with First Run

[honest kernel]

as long as you don't pair it with HS

[loud coral]

AP1 can feel bad, but it’s manageable. AP2 is a mental hell

[radiant cipher]

i honestly think em4 is the way for me to play this game that's gonna stay

[sly remnant]

i like EM4

its fun

[honest kernel]

same

[radiant cipher]

i just like the boss fights a lot more than the rooms

[tidal flame]

don't we have RI4 with First Run
I mean do you win with your first run?

[radiant cipher]

would rather amp them up

[sly remnant]

no i don't

but other people do

[true fable]

EM4 and middle management may not be optimal but they really do spice things up

[honest kernel]

just don't run it with TD3

[sly remnant]

MM is veeeeerrry manageable

[tidal flame]

EM4 and MM aren't related.

[radiant cipher]

ok so this is what i ran for my 36 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447177135870836738/773993270132998145/unknown.png

[honest kernel]

but one could argue it's better to do TD3 and EM3 than TD2 EM4

[radiant cipher]

it's bad. i died in room 5

[sly remnant]

RI3

are you insane

[radiant cipher]

yup! thought i had second dash

miscalculated

[tidal flame]

take LC4 before RI2 even

[radiant cipher]

benefits package hurts more than i thought

[true fable]

is this rama bow?

[cerulean frigate]

I did a tartarus erebus gate with JS3 and a roiling curse from chaos earlier today. I got the entire tartarus football team for my trouble

[radiant cipher]

chiron

[true fable]

hmm

can probably do at least TD2 if not 3

[loud coral]

You get used to BP2 after a while, a room with hordes of small mobs and the DC modifier thingy is hell though

[gaunt fiber]

I did a tartarus erebus gate with JS3 and a roiling curse from chaos earlier today. I got the entire tartarus football team for my trouble
@cerulean frigate

[radiant cipher]

i used to run max HL and JS

[true fable]

UC with RI off should be very manageable

[cerulean frigate]

TD2 is usually free heat if you play well

[radiant cipher]

before i swapped to EM4

[true fable]

i think you could probably change the setup to RI0 TD3 UC and still be fine

probably AP1 too

if you need more heat

[radiant cipher]

i ran td3 once, i died at the furies because of it

[true fable]

it happens

[radiant cipher]

td2 with no jury summons seems to be the sweet spot for me

[loud coral]

I’ve been trying to run TD3 with Hades spear but I’m considering just using Achilles again

[cerulean frigate]

I still can't believe my fastest time was my 40 heat eris run.

[true fable]

why 36 if you're just trying to get the statue

[radiant cipher]

didnt know it was 32 lol

[true fable]

lol

[radiant cipher]

its just 4 extra

[true fable]

eris do be like that sometimes

[loud coral]

just

[true fable]

you just accidentally set a new pb

did you record/is it submittable for 32 heat WR

[loud coral]

Once you get to the higher heats 4 extra heat becomes super bad

[cerulean frigate]

4 heat is a lot after you are in the 30s

[radiant cipher]

i really wanna push harder, i just went past 20 and it said no more bounties so theres no need for me to keep pushing one by one

[cerulean frigate]

At that point there is no avoiding putting on some of the really nasty pacts.

[true fable]

still can't believe that tailesques 32 heat WR is faster than my fastest time in general smh

[sly remnant]

well some of us are mortal so

[cerulean frigate]

@true fable it wasn't recorded.

[true fable]

tough

[radiant cipher]

oh i cant post pictures here i was wondering why my copy paste wasnt working

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250720345957335051/774016882688393256/unknown.png

how does this look?

chiron bow

[true fable]

i would take off LC and just turn UC on but that's me

i also don't think approval process is that harmful and i hate convenience fee

[cerulean frigate]

Mixing hard labor and lasting consequences is really hard

And benefits package 1 is not that bad

[radiant cipher]

i dont want jury summons and i hate AP

[true fable]

CF actually means quite a bit in the long run

do BP1

it's not bad at all yeah

[radiant cipher]

LC out for BP1, okay

[cerulean frigate]

It's BP2 that can be absolutely miserable depending on the mix and enemy

[true fable]

CF2 is pretty terrible IMO but up to you

[cerulean frigate]

Double damage speeder dracons

[true fable]

depends how much you use shop

[radiant cipher]

i usually for aphrodite attack to apply a curse, demeter special and athena dash as my core boons on chiron bow. anything i should replace?

[true fable]

please dont trigger my ptsd veritas

[radiant cipher]

i mostly end up buying healing or hammers from charon anyway

[true fable]

speeder slugger strongbows or chariots still the worst

[tidal flame]

take underworld custom

[radiant cipher]

yeah i got that instead of LC2

[mossy zinc]

EM4 is just unnecessarily hard at 32 Heat.

[tidal flame]

that's 2 heat off your LC, if you really want to heal

[true fable]

mrgreenleaf says they like EM4

[tidal flame]

yeah, agreed, EM4 is indeed brutal

[radiant cipher]

i like em4, i should be able to deal with it

[tidal flame]

good luck then

[loud coral]

What’s the BP modifier that gives mobs damage control again?

[radiant cipher]

ive done it several times at fo1, 2 will be a challenge but ill just be faster

[cerulean frigate]

Savoir

[radiant cipher]

boon set up i mentioned is okay for chiron, right?

[mossy zinc]

You're also doing it with CP2 and HL2 apparently.

[loud coral]

I’d take Deadly/Drunken Flourish, but it’s really up to you at the end of the day

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish would be better for DPS.

BUT.

[radiant cipher]

dionysus on chiron special? okay

[mossy zinc]

If you're comfortable with Frost Flourish, take that.

[radiant cipher]

that sounds like the clear speed would be horrible tho

[mossy zinc]

Far from it. Drunken Flourish DPS is great on Chiron.

[radiant cipher]

if i end up getting the frost blast on 10 stacks from demeter rooms are super easy

[loud coral]

You can apply the chill super easily to deal with FO2 as well, I just take Deadly for Heart Rend and all that

[pallid rain]

Anything stackable is good on chiron

[mossy zinc]

TD2 should no problem either way.

I'd run TD3, personally.

[cerulean frigate]

Frost flourish + killing freeze is a really nice way to not get stampeded by FO2 EM4

[radiant cipher]

ive tried td3, it's really tough

maybe later on but ill go with 2 for now

[loud coral]

TD really just comes down to how experienced you are with it, rn I’m still trying to manage TD3 but with enough practice it’s not as bad

[radiant cipher]

okay ill try out demeter attack with dio special

[mossy zinc]

TD3 you'd want better DPS than Frost Flourish.

But TD2 should be fine either way.

Frost Strike?

[radiant cipher]

i have probably around a couple hundred hours into this game and ive yet to get dionysus and poseidon legendaries

just to apply chill to counter fo2 a bit

i only ever used dionysus for hera bow casts at one point and thats it

[cerulean frigate]

You're not missing out with the Posideon legendaries.

[mossy zinc]

If you're going for Drunken Flourish, get Heartbreak Strike for Low Tolerance or Deadly Strike + Splitting Headache.

[true fable]

you mean huge catch isn't good?

[mossy zinc]

Your DPS will be so much better than if you take Frost Strike.

[radiant cipher]

ohhh i completely forgot about the duo boons

[cerulean frigate]

It's cute but hard to get and doesn't help you win.

[radiant cipher]

i always forget about those

[loud coral]

You could also take Demeter’s call for easy chill, though personally I’d take Aphro’s call for the charm

[cerulean frigate]

I've only ever liked frost strike on the fists

[mossy zinc]

Demeter's Aid sucks for DPS.

[gaunt fiber]

Demeter call

[radiant cipher]

frost on fists is pretty decent

[cerulean frigate]

And Arthur if it's a casual run

[loud coral]

i like demeter call :(

How would you manage Frost Strike on Arthur

[gaunt fiber]

I would like it if it covered the whole map the second I press the button

[mossy zinc]

A lot of good people like bad things. It's not your fault.

[gaunt fiber]

And more visual effects just so I can't see anything on my screen

[radiant cipher]

ive managed to clear em4 on arthur and zagreus spear. once. im done im never touching those again

fists? hell no

[mossy zinc]

That's why you have two screens, so you can look at chat instead.

[gaunt fiber]

I have 2 screens actually

[cerulean frigate]

@loud coral chill lasts a long time and a chill application refreshes the entire stack. The % mod is decent.

[tidal flame]

Having 2 screens is a godsend

[gaunt fiber]

it really is

[cerulean frigate]

It's not optimal but it's good enough for a 20 heat clear with fo2 on.

[loud coral]

ive managed to clear em4 on arthur and zagreus spear. once. im done im never touching those again
You’re telling me you can do EM4 on Zag spear but can’t do it on Zag fists?

[radiant cipher]

nope!

[loud coral]

Guess 15% dodge chance isn’t too reliable actually

[radiant cipher]

i use demeter fists when i use it

demeter attack+aphrodite special is my combo for it

for zag spear i do a special build with explosive hammer upgrade and artemis

[loud coral]

I usually take Artemis special with Demeter, but Aphro might be better overall

[cerulean frigate]

Athena attack + Artemis special on dem fists is reliable and a little safer.

[radiant cipher]

i like applying easy curses, and both of those arent applying them on hit

[true fable]

forreal though wave pounding kinda feels better than second wave a lot of the time

[cerulean frigate]

Family Favorites.

[true fable]

the dreaded FF vs PS discussion returns

[radiant cipher]

i used to run that but the curse one felt better for me

oh no i didnt know im sorry lol

[true fable]

nah ur good haha

some people just really like privileged stat, i assume for the fun sound it makes when you hit a priv stat enemy

[radiant cipher]

oh for sure

[tidal flame]

FF all the way

easy

[cerulean frigate]

I like priv, it's the fun option. And the better one even on Chiron if the goal is heartbreak strike drunken flourish

[true fable]

that was me until i realized i was only getting priv stat until like elysium on some weps

on chiron yeah probably

since you can easily get 2 T1 curses

[cerulean frigate]

But having your 10-15% damage in tartarus is just really nice.

[loud coral]

If it wasn’t for Artemis I’d be taking priv all the time

[sly remnant]

PS for ultra high roll supasoaka

in addition to the million boons you need

take rupture and jolted as well 🙂

[radiant cipher]

failed erebus while reading here

[cerulean frigate]

Just don't get offered the bad gods and boons for super soaker

[radiant cipher]

oof

[cerulean frigate]

Ez

[tidal flame]

Calling Mark a status is like calling a tomato a fruit

[true fable]

LOL

hunter's mark also feels super useless to me against nonbosses with DC on

i took it once

and had to recount my brain cells

[radiant cipher]

tfw you get your first hammer and they are all attack upgrades on chiron

[mossy zinc]

Hunter's Mark is great on Drunken Chiron.

Who doesn't like Hangover crits?

That apply Mark to more enemies.

[sly remnant]

i like hunter's mark if i'm struggling with room clear speed

[radiant cipher]

well i managed to get frost strike/drunken flourish/divine dash on tartarus

dunno which keepsake to run from here on out

[mossy zinc]

Are you running Stubborn Defiance or Death Defiance?

[radiant cipher]

death defiance

[true fable]

corn IMO

[mossy zinc]

Nah.

[radiant cipher]

but i forgot i had UC, ill get rid of frost strike and get the rose for heartbreak strike

[mossy zinc]

Coin Purse in Asphodel, and Acorn for the rest of the run after that.

Oh.

Yeah, Eternal Rose then.

Acorn in Elysium and keep it for the rest of the run.

There's no real reason to take Acorn in Asphodel with Chiron, anyway.

Better to take Coin Purse or force a god.

Especially if you have Divine Dash, too. Lernie isn't scary for Chiron.

[radiant cipher]

ah damn it. ran out of time at the end of phase 2 of last boss

got him to like 30% at phase 3 then eventually died

really not bad for my first 32 ever

[bronze viper]

864 messages since 1PM? Dece.

[ripe crane]

Shouldn't you be healing?

[bronze viper]

I'm back at work now. Video games are iffy but if I wear an eyepatch and reading glasses it's not too bad.

[ripe crane]

Well that's good. Glad everything seems to have turned out successfully 👍

[bronze viper]

Lol, what happened here? How were there almost a thousand posts in 4.5 hours. Must have been a spicy convo lmao.

[ripe crane]

I think it was legitimately just people talking about high heat stuff

[true fable]

eyepatch is big vibes

as you know this is the high heat discussion channel

and we never stray off topic

but yeah hope everything is going well ledger

did they say when you can do games again?

[bronze viper]

Just when I can look at stuff and it doesn't hurt. That's kind of more or less now. Gets kind of iffy after an hour or so though, have to lay off for a bit.

It'll get better a month and some change from now when I get the other eye fixed too, so at least my eyes will match and I can get real glasses.

[true fable]

gotcha

for some reason i never thought about eye surgery being separated for different eyes but i guess that makes sense

cant be walking around with both eyes outta commission

[cinder cave]

why does it feel like it takes 10 years to kill things on hell mode

oh wait i have 120 darkness

farming this feels like a chore

[true fable]

yeah i really cant be bothered to start a hell mode save

that sounds like such a chore

can not do it

[cinder cave]

forced JS1 and CP1

is just so annoying

when you don't have any damage or mirror

also 0 duos by styx :)

[bronze viper]

why does it feel like it takes 10 years to kill things on hell mode
@cinder cave This 100%

CP1 JS1 at low heat is so lame.

[cinder cave]

naked sword

not even zag levels

omg kmn

i even suspect the PL is whatever at this heat

sure i'm losing dd from it

[bronze viper]

Lol, it's kind of whatever if you're not melee

[cinder cave]

but is it worth losing my sanity to take 5 min to clear a miniboss

:)

[bronze viper]

It is... not the best for melee though

Oof

[cinder cave]

i'm using naked sword rn

[bronze viper]

Yeah

Oof

[cinder cave]

can't even call it zag sword cuz

[true fable]

0 DDs too

[cinder cave]

no benefit :D

[true fable]

death simulator

[cinder cave]

hey i have 120 darkness

i can use a DD

[true fable]

LOL

[cinder cave]

check me out

[true fable]

1 DD

might be worth just buying the SD tbh

[cinder cave]

isn't SD 300 darkness

[true fable]

yeah i also dont think you unlock green side for a while now that i think about it

[cinder cave]

yah i mean

[true fable]

requires a few keys

[cinder cave]

HELL MODE SAVE

it's easier to flop over and die

literally my mirror is

10% shadow presence

2 chthonic vit

1 DD

greater reflex

killing asterius miniboss

took 5 min

not even joking

[bronze viper]

Lol, maybe it's because I don't bother with JS or CP until 40+, but man, I can't stand it.

[cinder cave]

but i'm glad it stopped the heroes fight

being 10 min

[true fable]

really? i feel like i have just had js3 perma on since 32 heat

probably because i hate HL or HS

or CF

which is basically all the others i would otherwise put points into

[cinder cave]

tbf i think there's some leniency on preference here

[bronze viper]

Yeah. LC4 CF2 UC is already 8 heat and a bunch of people hate playing with that

[cinder cave]

but JS3 seems to have a big downside from a TD3 standpoint

if it even remotely risks the TD3 aspect, which is 3 heat

the maths doesn't work out