#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 72

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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~~Please God help me~~

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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With Hestia still?

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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4 with Hestia 2 with fists 1 with bow

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Hearing meow on an early Erebus chamber drives me nuts

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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The 4 with Hestia are somehow especially funny.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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squirtmeh I fail to see the humor in that

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Well.... You're using doom on attack.. that's why

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Just soak in the schadenfreude why don't you

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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😏

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Lol Doom attack is good

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Not for Hestia

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You're short changing the burst damage

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Doom Hunter Dash Hestia

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Still

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Tell me

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Which one is better than Doom?

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Take away Hunter dash and go Artemis attack

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I'll give you Deadly Strike

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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You'll do better

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Lol no

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Do the math

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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I'm just saying if you could choose only one, deadly strike for sure

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Both is ideal

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Without Hunter Dash or other damage steroids

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Deadly Strike is trash

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Hestia Crits are huge

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Huge.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Average damage

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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And you can get dash strike boons from chaos

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Lmao

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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So Hunter dash is meh

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Taking Chaos on 40+ heat

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Hunter Dash is meh

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Uhhh, YES

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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You are trolling me

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Again

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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You don't take chaos on 40 heat?!

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Do the math

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No I don't

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Wow

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Deadly Strike is good actually. Only second to Heartbreak Strike.

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<--actually did the math

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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You know, I already posted my reasoning for Doom Hunter Dash

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Hunter dash is good, I'm not saying its not.... I'm just saying there are alternatives which technically reduce its value

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I don't agree with what you say

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So whatever

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Go build Deadly Strike Chaos or whatever

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Yeah, you go doom for privileged status

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I get it

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Actually, why don't you chalk up how many times Chaos mess you up on 40+ heat

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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But then why not heartbreak strike + mistral

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Especially with RI or AP

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I use fam fav

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At this point I'm p sure you didn't read my reasoning for Doom Hestia

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So don't bash it till you read the damn thing

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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When you posted it, i believe you said it was for privileged status

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And I agreed

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If you recall

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Just thought there were better avenues for it

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I think you misread

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I don't reca saying it

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And my search for my own comments also did not show that

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Doom is good because it scales better with pomps

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Split the damage so yoy don't overkill

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By pass DC shield

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And having ares gives you access to Battle Rage

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Hunter Dash to capitalize on the large base damage

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Between Deadly Strike and Doom

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Deadly Strike can vastly outpace Doom if you get other damage boost

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But I don't bank on that since AP1 and RI1 is a thing

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Also getting.boons from 2 gods is more consistent than getting 2 from 1

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That's my argument for Doom Hunter Dash Hestia

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No priv status included

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Hestia has no problem with bosses either way. It's the room clearing that's a problem. So Curse of Agony isn't the worst idea to help with that.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Oh and minimal overkill potential

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Since the damage is split

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I do like doom for privileged status, because don't you get to double dip?

Like, when you apply doom for the 2nd status, your attack does +40% damage, and when doom drops, it also does +40% damage, no?

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Critting 1k on a 300 shield target is moot

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Doing 300 Hestia shot (which is extremely doable) and another 100 doom proc is better

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:31 PM

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The split only affects armor, which isn't an overkill, but yeah.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Yeah that's what I meant, edited

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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My next dream build for fists is as follows:

Ares attack
Athena Dash
Zeus Aid
Demeter curse (frozen touch)
Vengeful mood
Merciful end
Killing freeze

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Or arctic blast

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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You misspelled Dionysus' Aid + Smoldering Air.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Haha

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Can't get vengeful mood that way

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And I don't necessarily want Zeus on special

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Lightning Strike + Heartbreak Flourish + Dionysus' Aid is pretty strong.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I just love the idea of perma chill on all my enemies, all the time

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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You misspelled Dionysus' Aid + Smoldering Air.
@mossy zinc weird way to spell Aphrodite's Aid

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:35 PM

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their Duo Boons

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Killing Freeze is great.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Frozen touch + arctic blast is oddly broken sounding with vengeful mood if you think about it

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Killing freeze is amazing

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:38 PM

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@tidal flame Lady Aphrodite thinks highly of Lord Dionysus, and so do I.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:39 PM

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That combo isn't as impressive as you'd think, Manthro. It ends up being a small-ish blast of damage every three seconds, you lose all the benefit of max Chill stacking like that.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Can Dio do 2k damage per charge?

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I don't think so

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I think he can, actually.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Well... In a room full of enemy mobs, that's multiple AOE blasts from each one

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Fair.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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And yes, it nullifies the max chill, I agree

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Yeah, he can since he hits in an AOE.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I mean in boss fight context

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Which is why I prefer killing freeze, in general

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@tidal flame with some poms on it vs the Champions, maybe. Lv.1 he can do 1.4k in total to 2 targets.

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2.1k to 3 targets. Etc.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Slugger Speeder Inferno Bombers.

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I hate Benefits Package.

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No, wait, it was a Burn Flinger.

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I got a fastball to the face for 40 damage.

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Then his buddy gave me the Wanted.

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Remember, Amir said we can F10 if we run into any busted FO2 combos, so they can evaluate it.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I was low on health, but if I get ganked again like that I'll definitely hit the button.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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F10 every Speedster Chariots

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I think Speeder could be balanced, it's just overtuned right now.

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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But also to continue highlighting any especially bad ones in #hades-feedback.

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Speeder alone is mean but okay. Speeder with FO2 is awful.

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FO2 Chariots without any perks are already worth any FO2 Exalted with BP2 lol.

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Then put BP2 on top of that . . .

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Speeder Puller.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Yo dawg heard you like moving

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How about you don't squirtmeh

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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That's not actually a possible combo, thankfully.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Because it was found to be mega awful?

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 6:56 PM

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But anyway, I notice I'm way more worried about any no-perk Chariots in a chamber than anything else.

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Probably lol. I don't know when they banned it.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:57 PM

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It was possible at some point, so that's a recent change

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I hated that combo

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I hate virtually every enemy in Elysium

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Starting with archers

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Just pick shield

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That's it

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Nothing is more annoying than getting pegged from off screen by multiple archers

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Hahaha

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Brightswords and the witches are ok

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Everything else, go away

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Next time I'm in Elysium, I should try dealing with Chariots the way I've been dealing with EM Asterius's bull charge in my practice matches. It's a similar move, so it should work.

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I hope.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Also hate the arrow traps on HS

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100 damage

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Hey, Slugger and Homing Splitters seem problematic, let's hit F10.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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But homing is already so limited xd

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And any combination of it is bad

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Cloner Homing

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Uhg

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Speedster Homing

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Ehh

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Cloner homing + speedy

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Bruiser Homing

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Worst

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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The only time cloner homing is good is when I have a fast deflect boon

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Then I can sit back and cackle

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Bruiser Homing could be managed.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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You know what gravity well is shockingly effective on? Dracon heads

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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No one wants to know how I've been dealing with the bull charge. Interesting. dusa

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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'Cause you can dodge without Divine something, even is just for a little bit.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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No one wants to know how I've been dealing with the bull charge. Interesting.
By dying to it?

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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No.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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But do tell

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Okay.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I have Asterius bull charge down to a science

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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So I stand there . . .

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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But I'm curious to your technique

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Wait for him to hitstop then dodge?

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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And he's like about to bull charge, I can see it in his eyes, right?

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And then, he charges! And I'm standing there waiting.

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And then . . .

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And then . . . . .

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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.......

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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You get hit?

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I punch him.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Square on the nose?

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Yes.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Pow, right in the kisser

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The problem with that against chariots is.... Armour

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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And that is how I take zero damage.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Oh right, Divine Strike >:3

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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dusa

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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That works, doesn't it

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Exactly.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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squirtmeh

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Here I thought you found some secret tech

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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But chariots will follow through, and their hitbox tends to get behind you

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Turns out Crutch 101

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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And hit you from behind

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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It's not that easy to do, okay? Takes practice.

cyan stag Jul 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I believe you. It just also requires Lady Athena

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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It's actually tough to do without reflexively dash striking, I'll give you that @mossy zinc

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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And courage to just stand there and not dash for my life.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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If you have corona, you should self isolate

cyan stag Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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If you have Coronacht, you should keep a distance

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Heh

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Actually no

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I prefer the shot gun build

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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The only sad fact is that he takes zero deflect damage. squirtooh

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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With twin or triple shot and Point Blank

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Nyaa, does he take any other deflect damage or do they block all deflects?

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:09 PM

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You can expose status him and do additional backstab damage

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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They're immune to all deflect damage.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Huh, I haven't done an EM3 run recently with Lady Athena, I'll check that out next time

cyan stag Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I know bow shotgunning is a thing, but I was trying to make a dad joke.

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Yeah, Exposed works of course.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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How do you know when a joke is a dad joke?

When it's apparent

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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We ignored it shadesmile :P

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Dad joke, in my Hades server

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Yes

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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How dare you

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Easily

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@cyan stag sorry, did you say something?

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Why does Zagreus die in Asphodel

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Because you don't git gud.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Because he can't handle the heat

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Heckler smh

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:12 PM

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My punchline was better.

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Punching is what I do. It's what I live for.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Nyaa, put your fists to the side and get out of line. You can't finish this joke

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Why can't Nyaa play any other weapon but fists?
Becuase her skill is Malphonctioning.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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That was actually pretty good

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Which one?

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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golf clap

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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there were two, which one

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Both

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Ayy o7

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I am very curious on fist 4th Aspect

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I did 32 with Nemesis, too.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Nice

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Flurry slash? 🤣🤣

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I know you loved it

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I'm actually not a huge fan of Flurry Slash.

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Maybe if it had the lock-on like Malphon.

tired charm Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Flurry Slash + Cursed Blade + Zeus tbh

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Flurry Slash keeps you in place and is both weaker and slower than Double Edge Dash-Strikes.

tired charm Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Love it

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I haven't tried that, and it sounds fun.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Flurry + cursed = immortal

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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But for pure Nemesis DPS it's all about Double Edge.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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It's near impossible to die

tired charm Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Yeah like you can legit face tank Asterius and Theseus

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Lol everything oneshot you with that build xD

tired charm Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Only thing able to really kill you is like Redacted

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/729962163720159242/Hades_252.png

tired charm Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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If you somehow eat like a full set of moves

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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That was the one.

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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P good build

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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No schnap nova?

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Jeez man stop fanboying for that hammer

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Only said it to rile you up 🤣

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Wouldn't take it over Double Edge and Shadow Slash.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Yeah those two are great together

tidal flame Jul 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Double Edge and Breaching are ideal imo

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Although, I am not a fan of divine strike on nem without flurry. There are better options imo

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Worked for you, so not a criticism, just observation

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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You wouldn't want to sit there and spam like with Nemesis, but the first two slashes of the combo are not bad at all for Deflecting, especially the first because of its huge arc in front of Zagreus.

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I wouldn't take Breaching Slash over Shadow Slash if I had Double Edge.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just saying I would use attack for status effects, personally

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Because Demeter and Aphrodite scale great on attack, and you have the benefit of enabling Crit with nem

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I just use Dash-Strikes for Deflect with Nemesis.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:25 PM

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That too, it works very well.

fallow stream Jul 10, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Fun nem builds... Flurry slash + Zeus + piercing wave + support fire, with swift attack

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It's a chaotic mess of damage effects

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It's just a really fun weapon aspect to play with

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And experiment

mossy zinc Jul 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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A lot of things work on Nemesis because you're basically ensured high DPS.

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It's not Chaos Aspect, but it's a pretty good and versatile aspect.

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Dang it everyone's commenting on Meg beating me twice.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:39 PM

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okay but Meg just beat you twice

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:3

misty bough Jul 10, 2020, 7:40 PM

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is athena special with rama a decent build for high heat? the high fire rate of the special and the bounce affect of the special makes me feel like you will be protected for a lot of incoming damage?

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Okay.

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So I'm preeetty sure Lucifer and Divine Dash are broken against shockwave attacks.

frail crane Jul 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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They mentioned something about Lucifer having trouble with dashes, iirc

honest kernel Jul 10, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I'm sure I've dodged it before with a different Dash, too.

misty bough Jul 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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i need some help picking which pacts to do for 32 heat. the goal is to slowly climb from 16 to 32 heat using the hera bow. been pretty much doing dio > demeter> acorn> acorn or posedion> demeter>acorn>acorn or dio>zeus>acorn>acorn. just don't know what pacts to go for after 16. for my 16 heat run i did 20% hard labor, 20% jury summons, 3 extreme measures, 30% calisthenics program, 2 benefits package, and middle management. i don't really know where to go from there

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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HL5 EM3 CP1 MM FO2 TD2 UC BP2

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That's what I would run and that should be 32 heat if I'm not mistaken

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And yeah Dio > God > Acorn > Acorn seems solid.

misty bough Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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thanks! so you dont go high for calisthenics program or any of hard labor?

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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What do you mean?

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I put HL5 in there, that's maxed

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Calisthenic Program also increases boss health so I don't like going all in with it

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Actually taking CF over CP might be a better idea

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 2:53 AM

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uhhhhhg I almost made it through Nyaa's challenge with a full combo Festive Fog build

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just did really poorly against the Heroes and lost 3 DDs :/ almost made it through Styx but died to a friggin axe

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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O~hohohohoho!

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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on the plus side, I just got a bunch of new dialogue!

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first time I've died to an axe

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Try again! GWvictoriaMeguFace

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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yup xD

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Congratulations!

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 3:16 AM

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alright, going for my next attempt, hera bow

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@mossy zinc wait, is that true for all dash-attacks? that they don't have i-frames?

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Fairly certain that's correct

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Yes, once you press the Attack key you lose your i-frames (unless you have Divine Strike/Dash, that can get weird).

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Eh, I just hope I deflect when I have divine strike lol

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 3:19 AM

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huh, I've gotten chaos in my starting room for the past 3 runs

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not complaining

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Must be nice to be loved by Chaos

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 3:19 AM

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:3

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Reunite them with their child, give em drinks... ;-;

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Them*, if you mean Chaos

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 3:40 AM

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fun times, 2 boons + chaos on my way into the furies

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what's a good cast for hera that sticks?

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 3:46 AM

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True shot

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Or flood shot

foggy ruin Jul 11, 2020, 4:08 AM

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phalanx sticks too right? or am I misremembering

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but I wouldn't recommend it for hera

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 4:09 AM

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yeah, definitely not. I'm gonna do Flood Shoot

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Artemis pos duo is nice with that too

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With some exit wounds mixed in 😄

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 4:11 AM

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oh, definitely

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that's the plan ^.^

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:08 AM

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@misty bough I'd recommend just practicing 32 heat instead of climbing to it if that is your goal. Climbing heat helps develop better decision making and reaction times up to a point, but due to how heat works, you're better off practicing your goal heat instead of building up to it.

misty bough Jul 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i dont want your dong

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I'm sorry what

misty bough Jul 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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but thanks for the advice

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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lol

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sorry guys

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wrong channel

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Uhhhh

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uhhhh

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:11 AM

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i swear its innocent though

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I'd believe that xD

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:12 AM

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is there a way to undelete a post

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i feel bad for deleting it and having people comment on something that doesn't exist

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But also, hope everyone is doing fantastic

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:13 AM

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I think it's better to leave that post deleted

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:13 AM

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lol

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yeah

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Rules mention something about keeping it clean

hollow lynx Jul 11, 2020, 5:14 AM

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family friendly yall

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:15 AM

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editing old comments feels dirty

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what's everyones comfort weapon/aspect/build?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Chaos Shield, Hunter's Strike, Charged Shot, Minotaur Rush

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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are those 4 separate faves?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Nope

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That's a build

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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gotcha

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Hunter's Strike is not a thing. squirtnya

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Malphon + Divine Strike.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Hunter Strike

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:17 AM

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now i certainly didn't know charged shot and minotaur rush worked together

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Did my brain do a stupid or are you being an onion ? (Nyaa)

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:17 AM

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so 80 base damage

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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There's nothing in the game called Hunter's Strike or Hunter Strike.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Fine

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Lady Artemis' Attack

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Satisfied?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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That's Deadly Strike.

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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with faster damage increase scaling charge

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Oh yeah

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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What a deadly mistake

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Heh

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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and 400% power shot

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Hunter Dash is her dash.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I was conflating it with the Dash

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Is there some competition for the longest user name

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:19 AM

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No, I'm just a walking reminder to use spoiler tags

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:20 AM

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hmm, idk, your name makes me want to embody the idea of nice-tag-spoilers

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:20 AM

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|| go for it ||

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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so who is the Smouldering Air Gang then

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i just assumed the text after a single or double bar was the gang name

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Tag as in tag team, right?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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I didn't know we had a co-op mode

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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hades co-op would be incredible

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:22 AM

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TheSwanDragon is the sponsor, and BeNiceTagSpoilers is the gamer tag. He's a pro gamer.

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(Who can't beat Maxy.)

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I mean

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I'm 1 for 2

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Though you don't count my first

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And I'm looking good to finish on my current run, which is paused rn

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I think you count only for half in the high heat channel. dusa

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Gotta beat 40 to count as 1.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:24 AM

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.> probably :3

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:24 AM

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TheSwanDragon is the sponsor, and BeNiceTagSpoilers is the gamer tag. He's a pro gamer.
Is that how it works?

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Can someone sponsor me?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Sorry, I only sponsor good players. dusa

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:24 AM

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You have to go get it yourself

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:25 AM

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But I am good

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:25 AM

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That's just, like, your opinion, man.

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@frail crane what aspect are you using? And how far are you on your current run?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Also my opinion ✋

I'm using Hera Bow, paused after Tartarus

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I've got Flood Shot, gunning for Mirage Shot+Exit Wounds

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Why not go for Blizzard Shot over that?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Hmm, I can stack Mirage and Blizzard, right?

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Is it bad that I have never once picked Hunting Blade?

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Just not Blizzard and Exit Wounds?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:29 AM

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As far as I'm aware, Blizzard Shot technically still lodges, it just doesn't happen most of the time.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Huh, okay

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Blizzard Shot should do more damage than Mirage Shot + Exit Wounds, though.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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But! What about Blizzard Shot + Mirage Shot?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Well, I haven't picked it yet this patch, but the nerf wasn't that bad.

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Yeah, sure.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Aight

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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What nerf?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Blizzard Shot nerf.

frail crane Jul 11, 2020, 5:30 AM

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I've already selected the Arrowhead, so I'll go ahead with Mirage for now, try and get Blizzard along the way/in Elysium

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:38 AM

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lol https://imgur.com/a/CDikp8Y

Imgur

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:54 AM

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How did you get Black Out already?

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Oh nvm

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:56 AM

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I should have just 50 heated all of the weapons while the infinite dash and cast bug was in effect

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Wish there was a way to turn off bounties when you would much rather get Darkness lol.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:57 AM

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just like

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run lower heat girl

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Who is lower heat girl?

north wyvern Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Run lower, heat girl

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I just want to meet heat girl

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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hot girl

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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That's me.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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girl

hollow lynx Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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superhot

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Also me.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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no you are shadefear 🐇

hollow lynx Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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SUPERHOT

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Also definitely me.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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may I say smoldering hot

hollow lynx Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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no

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I'm sorry, my heat gauge is bugged and doesn't go below 20.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:00 AM

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elitism please ban

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talk to me when you run LC4

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Don't know what that is. That's not in my game.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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yeah, your game is Malphonctioning

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we have been over this

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nothing but malphon

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I don't even know if there are hammers that are worth my while when I already have Charged Shot or if I should just grab the 100 Obols in the other chamber.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Breaching Rush

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is good

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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100 Obols sound pretty good, I only have 26.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:01 AM

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or explosive return

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Huh.

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Empowering Flight and Ferocious Guard both sound pretty good.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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ferocious guard imo

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empowering flight never seems to do anything for me.

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Wow, not a single Well or shop or Patroclus all throughout Elysium, and the shop before the boss fight has no healing, either.

hollow lynx Jul 11, 2020, 6:12 AM

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now you can play lc4 without even turning it on!

timber ruin Jul 11, 2020, 6:14 AM

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lc4: whenever you would heal, take damage instead

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Do extra shields from Chaos Aspect proc Support Fire when they hit?

timber ruin Jul 11, 2020, 6:14 AM

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better avoid that darkness

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Beat EM3 with 30 HP and got Ambrosia. No healing for me. squirtooh

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2 DDs and 99 HP, though.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I mean the run is still very winnable

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You got it

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:24 AM

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So do the extra shields proc Support Fire? Because I'm tempted to just sell it.

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I mean, I have some small chance at getting Fully Loaded, I guess, since I have Support Fire and Hunter's Mark.

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Guess I'll keep it.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I don't think so

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:29 AM

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God, I hate teleporting Giant Rats.

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Not a single Well in 2 tunnels, either. What an honestly annoying run.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:47 AM

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I'm done with TD2. I fly through Elysium and still lose to the clock 50% of the time, and I even took a chaos gate and both shops

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I even had Blizzard shot + heart rend. I can't possibly clear rooms faster

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Yeah, TD2 without JS and CP can already be tight in Elysium.

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I've been picking Bone Hourglass for Elysium a lot more lately.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:56 AM

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This was just a fun run on heat 16 for testing purposes. So annoying

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Meanwhile, I don't know why I pick EM3 at all.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 9:03 AM

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It's one of those things I don't like to turn off, because then I lose my edge

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Just like FO2

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It's so easy to steamroll regular Theseus

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I feel like having a time pool of 28min would be far better than the enjoyment sucking individual 7min zones they have it as now

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They could even make a Charon well item for it that carries over half of the unused time from the current biome. That would be a happy compromise for me, anyway

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Wow.. someone actually said Demeter crystal beam was too strong 🤣

autumn sable Jul 11, 2020, 9:38 AM

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If you lose to the clock 50% of the time, you’re probably not actually flying through Elysium. Just purely by definition.

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 9:39 AM

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You never know. He could be picking Flying Cutter.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 9:40 AM

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I seriously don't see how I can possibly clear rooms faster. I go in with Blizzard shot and mow the first wave down, clear all the eyeballs, and do it again on wave 2.

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I was using nemesis aspect with double edge @mossy zinc 🤣

autumn sable Jul 11, 2020, 9:44 AM

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True. Could’ve been using flying cutter

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 9:44 AM

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32 with Hestia is done.

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Should have used Flying Cutter, perhaps. Just fly up to the Temple of Styx. Skip the champions.

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Zagreus charges his Flying Cutter.
“Up, up, and away!”

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 9:46 AM

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... that's the ending for blades of glory

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 9:47 AM

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RL footage of Zagreus using the Flying Cutter on the surface in V1.0. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51E5ENVA9ZL._SX319_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

fast spade Jul 11, 2020, 9:57 AM

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how do you guys feel about luci on high curse?

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I feel like its the most underwhelming one out of all the tier 4 aspects

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maybe Im using it wrong, dunno

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I feel like eris is still the way to go

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:00 AM

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40, 44, and 45 have all been cleared with Lucifer Aspect.

fast spade Jul 11, 2020, 10:01 AM

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maybe I just suck at it

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:01 AM

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There's not a single 40+ clear with Eris. It's all Hestia and Lucifer.

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But if Eris works best for you, then that's the one you should use, I guess.

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Just gotta do what you think is best.

fast spade Jul 11, 2020, 10:03 AM

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hmmm

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are ppl actually using the special?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I've no idea. I've put 0 Titan Blood in Lucifer.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I personally find Eris' mechanics too slow and clunky for high heat

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:11 AM

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@fallow stream what do you think? I'm a better Hestia player than @tidal flame, right? https://imgur.com/a/z4Km9ob

Imgur

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 10:11 AM

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By virtue of not using doom on attack, absolutely 🤭

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:12 AM

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squirtnya

autumn sable Jul 11, 2020, 10:22 AM

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@mossy zinc There is 1 clear at 40 heat with Eris rail.

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@fast spade And it was a special build

fast spade Jul 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

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the luci special just feels clunky imo

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 10:25 AM

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It lobs the same as all the others, just doesn't explode on landing

fast spade Jul 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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yeah, exactly

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 10:41 AM

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@fallow stream I think it's good he's trying that, actually. I always try to encourage creativity.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 10:42 AM

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I know, I'm just jabbing

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Let's hope my idea catches on.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Any good combos for the rail

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on high heat ?

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I used to run poison on attack

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but its too slow for forced overtime

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Actually maybe I should try it with the hestia

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Hestia for bosses, poison for enemies in general

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Try a full doom build with Lucifer rail and eternal chamber hammer

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Doom attack
Dire misfortune
Impending doom

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Then add ahprodite special if you can, and pressure points + support fire

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

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Doom on lucifer

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interesting

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Never considered that

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I always just went max damage on lucifer

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and then try to get the 3 beams hammer

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so that I can dash inside a boss

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and hit him with all 3 beams

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:13 PM

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@meager wharf Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike for Hestia.

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Or you could try Curse of Agony like @tidal flame has been using, but I've no experience with that.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Yeah I went with deadly strike last time because I think I picked up blade rift in the process

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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For Hestia, avoid DC JS CP.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Got kinda destroyed by lernie

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Yeah I have noticed

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damage control

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really screwed me over

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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It rocks in boss fights, but room clearing is an issue.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Next time I wont use it

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I just kinda got used to always using damage control

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Imo the single best aspect for boss fights.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

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But yeah since I finished fists

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my next goal is sword or rail

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for 32 heat

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I had an interesting build by complete accident

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that maybe I should look more into

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Heartbreak Strike will let you pick up anything from Lord Zeus + a good Call for Smoldering Air.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

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I had the big rail special that damages you too

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and a regenerating festive fog

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

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That's why I used for 32 heat this morning.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

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so I was just alternating between 2 mini nukes

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/z4Km9ob

Imgur

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That's the build and pacts I used.

meager wharf Jul 11, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Oh nice

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noted

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thanks will try next time I play hades

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 12:19 PM

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@hallow stream why have you been so quiet here lately. dusa

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@meager wharf I only got Smoldering Air in the Temple of Styx and lost 3 DDs in Elysium lol. But it's so strong that Hades was a non-issue.

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Well, I've also a lot of practice in the fight.

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Not with Hestia, though. Only done that fight two times now with Hestia.

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@hallow stream do you have any EM3 strats for Hestia?

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I've noticed trying to deflect Asterius's bull charge with Divine Dash sucks. Because of the i-frames, he won't actually hit, so it doesn't get deflected unless you time it perfectly.

hallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 12:49 PM

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nothing important to say atm squirtnya

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uhh haven't done EM3 with hestia much since the update

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but it's pretty straight forward

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have you tried rip current though @mossy zinc ?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 1:52 PM

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@hallow stream explain the straightforward strategy then, I'm absolutely terrible at EM3. Doesn't help that I don't enjoy it very much. GWvictoriaMeguFace

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I had Rip Current a lot of times in the beta. Not as much since.

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It's great.

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I've noticed I try to get Smoldering Air in almost every build lately lol. It's just that good.

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I don't know what the point of Lord Hermes's Quick Favor is. For being a boon from Lord Hermes, it's actually awfully slow.

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At common, it takes 50 seconds to get 25%. What's the point of that?

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I guess it gives you 1-2 extra Lesser Calls in boss fights?

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:17 PM

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yeah its pretty meh

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:19 PM

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1-2 extra Lesser Calls actually sounds good if you don't already have Smoldering Air anyway.

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:20 PM

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I never got much out of it but I also didnt know that calls give u i frames till yesterday

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Yeah, I abuse that all the time.

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Another reason I want Smoldering Air in most of my runs.

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One of my favorite things to do vs Hades phase 1 is to use a call immediately when he comes out of invincibility.

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You'll i-frame any attack, and he will 100% take the full damage from the call.

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I also use it to i-frame spins. I still dash, but there are times when you're caught off guard or just mistime your dashes. So it's an extra safety net.

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Plus, he has recovery after his spin attacks, so he'll take damage from the Lesser Call for sure.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:32 PM

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How did that Hestia build fare for you?

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That build looks like it needs more damage

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But you made it in good time

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:33 PM

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The damage was perfectly fine.

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I had nothing in JS, CP, or DC.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Ok

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

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And Poseidon's Aid is Poseidon's Aid.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

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That build does what? 350 ish damage per shot?

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Empowered, of course?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:36 PM

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300 if I don't apply Privileged Status. I actually forgot to switch to Fiery Presence. Didn't need to, anyway. Backstabs helped more in boss fights.

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Don't copy my builds. Keep doing your Curse of Agony or whatever it was experiments. GWvictoriaMeguFace

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If it gets you to Hades reliably, it should be good, anyway.

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Just gotta actually practice that fight.

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I've noticed I don't really like playing Chaos Aspect. I'm not a fan of being unable to attack or anything after shield throws when it's difficult to see which one is the original shield.

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And sometimes it will bounce back and fly right past you, then bounce another time and fly right past you again lol.

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I wish the original shield had a highlight

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I mean my shots do alittle more than 500 damage each

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So ¯_(ツ)_/¯

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Did you say you haven't managed to get 32 Heat with that build yet, Fox?

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Huh

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I made 32 long a go

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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He's doing 42 heat.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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I'm doing 42

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Ooohh.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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I made it 4 times to Hades

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Then either choked

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Or die to TD since 4 sacks

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 PM

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That's why I'm saying to practice the fight.

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You'll be a lot more comfortable when you get there.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:55 PM

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yeah

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my problem is that the summons strip like 3 or 4 of my acorn shield

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I don't get hit by Hades that often anymore

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but then 1 or 2 hit just kill me straight up since #SDlife

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and dying is TD is well, dying to TD

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Phase 2 is interesting in that it either goes near perfectly or you take what feels like 800 damage in 2 seconds lol.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:58 PM

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lol yup

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it's ok

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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I usually fear phase 1 more because summons can be bs

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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I think I am good enough to make 42

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Just need to make enough attempts

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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If you were good enough, you would have made 42. dusa

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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I have "potential"

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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push through it

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Nah.

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I mean, Toffel here has a lot of potential.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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if you sponsor me that would give me the motivation to go on squirtdevious

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:00 PM

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But you I dunno. I think you've kind of peaked at 20?

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32 was just RNG handing you the victory.

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Can't wait to peak at 20

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:00 PM

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the 20s is the worst

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source: in my 20s

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@fresh marten your username tells me you peak at 12.

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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sssshhhh I bribed RNG for everything past 12

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Maybe I'll try Chaos Aspect again tomorrow. I got fed up with Lady Artemis forcing herself into every build in Tartarus. Very uncalled for and did not fit at all lol.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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how dare you talk about Artemis like that

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if she gives you something, you take it

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true shot works in a pinch

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support fire is good

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pressure is good

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maybe you should git gud

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Also, I can confirm that the game keeps offering you different gods until you've picked 4. As in, if you've picked 3, it will offer you those 3 + 1, and the other one will be random until you pick up a 4th.

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If you've picked 2, it will offer those 2 and the others will remain random until you pick a third or fourth.

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So if you see a god in Tartarus that you skip, that slot will remain random. So there's no guarantee that god will show up again (unless you force them).

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I think selling all boons from a god will make that slot random again. But I'm not entirely sure yet.

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Would be easy to test if I just focused on that, but I always test stuff like that during whatever heat I actually want to do lately lol.

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My regular runs are my test runs. GWvictoriaMeguFace

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Maybe next time I do a run for practice saves vs EM3 and Hades.

fresh marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:22 PM

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I believe your observation is true

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I've actually stopped forcing a god every time in Asphodel, lately. I very often pick the Coin Purse instead now.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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yeah that feels right to me too

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why coin purse?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Because value.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I can't see it being good with CF

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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It's still value.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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unless you are running sub 40

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Now that all combos can give Duo Boons, and I know the combos, there's often no need to force any particular god in Asphodel because any one of the three gods you'll often have will be perfectly fine.

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I'll still force a god on certain runs, but a lot of the time the Coin Purse is more value.

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You could pick Acorn instead, too.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I heard Artemis what we talking about

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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If the 150 obols make the difference between buying a boon from a shop or not, that's pretty good.

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And otherwise you might use that later in Elysium for Aether Net or Flamewheel Release or whatever you like.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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flamewheel release

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do people actually buy that?

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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YES

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I DO

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Sure. It's cheap and effective.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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ITS GOOD

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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laughs in SD

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Saves time, too.

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Aether Net is cheap and speeds up waves, too.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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They should just remove Flamewheels instead of making us pay for it smh

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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lol I think they're fine. But it's still nice to buy that if I have the cash.

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One thought I had was they should be banned from getting BP2 perks, perhaps.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Lmao yeah I was just joking

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Still a pain though

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YES

green marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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hey i noticed this chat is kinda busy if anyone could help me with a spoiler question?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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They would still be a problem, but not to that extent.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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WHO THOUGHT GIVING DC TO FLAMEWHEELS IS A GOOD IDEA

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Er. You should probably ask that in #h1-story-discussion?

green marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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i did but nobody is active there rn

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Yeah

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Just post it there and we'll answer it

green marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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i already did

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Oh summons. You'll need to raise your affinity with certain characters for that.

green marten Jul 11, 2020, 3:32 PM

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max it out?

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 3:32 PM

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No, just enough to unlock the option to give them Ambrosia, then give them 1 Ambrosia.

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You can give them Ambrosia beyond that, but the first will be enough to get the summon.

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You will also need quite a lot of Ambrosia to unlock more charges for your summons. So keep that in mind.

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Hoped that helped squirtnya

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I just had a mob of 7 louts spawn with bruiser and saviour. Literally impossible to kill 🤣

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At least with melee

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I already had dc2 on them, saviour gives them 4

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 4:50 PM

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which weapon?

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Nemesis aspect, but this happened in room 3 of Tartarus, I didn't even have a boon yet

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Got a crappy hammer to start, then a key and then obols

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Did you back up the temp save by any chance?

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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No

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Ah nevermind then.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:55 PM

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It was crazy though. Take off 2-3 hearts, and they just kept renewing them

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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You'll definitely have to separate 1 from the herd to take it down. But that might take too long for TD2. Hmmm.

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But Tartarus is a bit more lenient for TD2, so it might be doable if it's just one of those rooms.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Sorry. Not louts, wretched thugs

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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lol I took me 28 mins to get to Hydra on bow on 52 heat

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I died shortly afterward

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so yeah

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Which is actually worse than louts, because they are harder to separate

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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it can get p wild with DC hearts

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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One of the benefits of Talos.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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is that the secret tech?

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Talos = Scorpion from MK

"GET OVER HERE!!!"

foggy ruin Jul 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I just saw horheristo's 50-heat clear. Just... hot dang

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I guess we can rule out "Beowulf needs xyz" now.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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link me please

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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It's linked in the document.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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bold of you to assume I will look for it

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I will probably watch that exactly like I watch 99% of the runs in that document.

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~~(Never.)~~

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I only watch when I'm looking for info like "How did they tackle this part of the boss fight with that" or something, and then just check for the parts I'm interested in lol.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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interesting

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special Beowulf build did not expect that

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it's like a Hestia but with Ricochet built in

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I guess Aegis moved into its rightful position for now. Block is just too good.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:55 PM

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he didn't even use block though

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very few dragon rush

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in fact none that I can see rn

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Interesting.

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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ok he used block in Hades fight

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but throughout the run blocking wasnt the center of the build, at all

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I've been saying Beo special chunks hard with the right hammers for a while now

foggy ruin Jul 11, 2020, 6:03 PM

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His movements were very calculated, he only dashed when he needed to.

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Y'all don't listen to the mathmaster

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:04 PM

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i mean no one was denying it

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just that people were busy testing out other builds

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also look at this screenshot

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https://imgur.com/rtE6Rjr

Imgur

foggy ruin Jul 11, 2020, 6:04 PM

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That multiple witch room in Asphodel gave me anxiety haha

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 6:04 PM

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the dude cleared 2 clears and then jump straight to 40 heat

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idk how long he stayed in that purgatory but lmao

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Could have simply started a new save file

tardy path Jul 11, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Charged flight on Chaos Aspect residentzag

mossy zinc Jul 11, 2020, 6:08 PM

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@surreal geode congratulations!

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 6:59 PM

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57 heat is best way to play game

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 7:07 PM

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It's the equivalent of being kicked in the jimmies on fast forward replay

fading star Jul 11, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I just saw the 50 heat Beowulf shield win! Excellent win there @surreal geode!

surreal geode Jul 11, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Thanks amigos 🙂

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:15 PM

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wait ppl use special and not attack on beo 😂

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Beo special can chunk like Arthur aspect

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I just did 1 run with beo so far flares looked fun so I just played around w them

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just surprising that the one thing that didn't seem so fancy r´turned out better

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Oh, mono Demeter on Beo is great

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But man, dashing flight + charged flight = destruction

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I see

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:19 PM

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You throw Artemis special on it... 4-6k per throw

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On Crit

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:20 PM

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damn

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Maybe less now because they reduced damage on one of the hammers by 100%

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But still

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I have this feeling that after I spend these 40 diamonds on sheet music they're gonna add something for diamonds into the next patch 🤣

surreal geode Jul 11, 2020, 8:31 PM

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I originally did 40 with Beowulf using the normal attack, but the charge is pretty much busted

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:31 PM

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this run gives me a heart attack too many close rooms in elysium

tidal flame Jul 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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#HLlife

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I didnt have a great time trying to win w beo initially I think I'll give a special build a shot this time

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Nothing like a couple of heat 16 & 17 clears to get your mojo back in the Hades fight

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It's like I forgot how to fight him for a while

stuck ridge Jul 11, 2020, 9:49 PM

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hey yall, uhhh i just got ridiculously lucky, i got zeus legendary before the first boss

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i dont want to lose this run, what dhould i be doing, im at 15 heat btw

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are there any duos i should hunt?

cyan stag Jul 11, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Sea Storm!

stuck ridge Jul 11, 2020, 9:50 PM

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but im doing zeus damage, not poseidon dmg

cyan stag Jul 11, 2020, 9:51 PM

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If you "splash" in Poseidon, shove effects cause lightning strikes, which then trigger Splitting Bolt.

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If that doesn't appeal to you, Scintillating Feast also works.

stuck ridge Jul 11, 2020, 9:52 PM

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that one's dionysus?

cyan stag Jul 11, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Yes. Requires Trippy Shot, his cast.

stuck ridge Jul 11, 2020, 9:52 PM

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ooo i like trippy shot, imma go for that

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i just got scintillating feast :>

stuck ridge Jul 11, 2020, 10:22 PM

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aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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that run gave me my first 15 heat win, my previous best was 9,, and i beat it in 19 minutes, my second best!!!!!

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scintillating feast was a lifesaver because it slowed down chariots

cyan stag Jul 11, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Gratz!

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Do Healing Troves show up on LC4?

fallow stream Jul 11, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Yes

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And they say heal up to 0

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And they appear often

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Just to annoy you

honest kernel Jul 11, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Had a Healing Trove spawn on 38, ticked down to 4.

trim sigil Jul 11, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Healing Trove more like Healing Grave thinkies

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Meanwhile trying to understand how to combine "tight deadline" and "elysium" without dying 2 rooms before the boss from timeout

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:04 AM

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what are the consensus on mirror upgrades?

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Like, final loadout or priorities?

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:15 AM

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like, which of the alternatives are actually good

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Fated Persuasion is used a lot, as is Dark Regen and God's Legacy.

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:16 AM

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The only one that is hard to make work is High Confidence tbh

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And even then it probably has niche with lifesteal weps

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:18 AM

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were the alternatives buffed after they were introduced?

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Most popular alts probably would be Stubborn Defiance, Stygian Soul, Dark Regeneration, Fated Persuation

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:18 AM

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because i vaguely recall the subreddit saying the alternatives are mostly trash

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:18 AM

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🤷‍♀️

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I mean, most are quite a lot more niche so they didn't appeal as a new content

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Dark regen was even nerfed afaik

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:19 AM

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oof

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Family Favorite did take a hit in pair with Privileged Status too i think

autumn sable Jul 12, 2020, 12:33 AM

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high confidence is very niche in speedruns for having a consistent 25% buff for a good amount of the Hades fight in combo with Acorn

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but it's generally one of the lesser used mirror options.

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Privileged Status did not get any adjustments, as far as I can tell

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 12:35 AM

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50 to 40%?

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Not a huge change after all

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Finally got early Heart Rend on 32 Deadly Strike Lucy.

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Getting Divine Dash and associated backstab boons would be amazing, but it would also put me at risk of getting ganked by the Power Couple. What do?

hollow lynx Jul 12, 2020, 1:01 AM

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pretty sure privileged was always 40%

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also do it schpoon

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:01 AM

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It was 50 for a long time.

hollow lynx Jul 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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ah, don't remember that, but thought it was 40 before FF got nerfed

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I kept standing in the fire.

hollow lynx Jul 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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that's not great lol

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I wanna say it got nerfed to 40 in Nighty Night.

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No, I died for it against the Witches' Circle.

hollow lynx Jul 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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dying in the circle dusa

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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sounds like deflect check

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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First Athena boon would've been from them.

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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pain

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I got Power Couple'd in a subsequent run.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I use a summon almost always for at least the Skullcrusher.

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I'm using Skelly right now, but is there a corner of the island far away enough to get out of range of the shockwave?

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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No idea, I i-frame with dash.

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Probably not?

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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To the best of my knowledge Divine Dash on Lucifer is bugged against that shockwave specifically.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 1:50 AM

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How so?

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:50 AM

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You take damage against it no matter what unless you Call through it.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 1:50 AM

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It's not deflectable, and Divine Dash doesn't give you any extra i-frames.

honest kernel Jul 12, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I thought I had implied that I wasn't taking damage with different Dashes on Lucifer, but I guess I didn't.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Ah. I still haven't put any Titan Blood in it, so I don't know what that earlier dash bug on Lucifer was if it's related to that.

frail crane Jul 12, 2020, 2:52 AM

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fffs

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just died to the Heroes

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managed to get Blizz shot right before them

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hadn't been playing well since before Elysium though

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 2:54 AM

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8th time dying at Hades on 42 heat

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This time I got 5sacked

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Game why you hate me

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got common hunter dash and common deadly strike

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still pushed through to Hades

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to be slapped by 5sack

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someone holds me T.T

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:00 AM

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5sack sounds like ultimate middle finger of game design ngl

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even for the heat standarts

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Would not be a problem if Tight Deadline was designed better imo

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I wish there was atleast some consistency with the sacks

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like the boss rooms never give you it

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but sometimes they can

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

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5sack hurts because of Tight Deadline

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

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and your screwed

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:01 AM

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My run was 21 mins

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When I died

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Way below the supposed 28 mins standard for TD

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Except biomes are not desgined linearly

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Well, yeah ig the main blame here is on TD

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I'm ok with 5 sack

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I'm not ok with TD

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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True its really just TD that makes it a problem

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Since asphodel takes like half the time of elysium and styx

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Sadly, cumulative timer doesn't seem to be too appealing either. People may just throw away runs with low free time from first locations

frail crane Jul 12, 2020, 3:04 AM

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thoughts about the Wretched Sneak on FO2?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

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really depends what weapon you are using

frail crane Jul 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

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guan yu -_-

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:05 AM

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well i can agree

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or rather empathise

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Forced Overtime 2 Thonk
yeah i'd spend a long time learning short names
But yeah wheels and asterius are big lole

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:08 AM

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@robust zephyr congratulations!

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Ill be honest i found the 44 heat run more rewarding since most of this was rng grinding

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

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There is only that much challenges put in a single run before they become rolling a dice

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Theres a reason why i tried to avoid RI and AP for so long

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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AP1 is ok imo

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AP2 is I surrender my body to thou RNGesus

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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thee*

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I guess I just had really terrible experiences with it then

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Smh.

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AP1 is very RNG.

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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RI makes me wonder if full heat run is possible even hypothetically. Like, without so many power boosts it will be insanely hard to make a worthwhile build even ignoring no choice when crafting one

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I see double edge once and its crossed out

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Especially when you have RI1 on, too.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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my heart breaks

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Merciful End doesn't really care too much about your mirror.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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also took me until elysium to get an attack boon for some reason

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on one of my worse runs

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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And Nemesis will do good damage either way.

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Plenty of ways to get damage that don't rely on the mirror.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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tell that to BP2, JS3, CP2

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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True ig

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:13 AM

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literally lost to TD2 timer

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because no dmg

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also had to contend with the rngs

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Most annoying thing is the inability to control bad rng

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:14 AM

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JS3 TD2 Elysium is fear

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:14 AM

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honestly

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with losing RI

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keys are the best thing to see

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when you do see them

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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@robust zephyr mad lad takes Erebus in Elysium on 48 heat

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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I had life affirmation

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so it would be a big gamble

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Will I be as brave as you are when I grow up?

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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That's been my experience with RI4. Key chambers have huge value.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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literally life saving

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:16 AM

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There is a line between bravery and stupidity thinkies

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(you sir were right on the edge of one)

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I managed to scrape by with it though, 400 hp really helped me get through alot of the bosses

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:17 AM

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What enemies did you get in Erebus?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:17 AM

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think it was a megagorgon

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and two elite archers

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I'd take Erebus gates in Elysium more if not for Soulcatchers.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I honestly took it only because i had life affirmation

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and i see centaur heart

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Yeah, that's a ton of value.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:18 AM

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the value is big

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Soulcatchers in Elysium are the dumbest thing and should be banned.

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Er.

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In Erebus.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:19 AM

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oh

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the butterfly thing i always forget the names

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yeah

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they suck

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alot

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especially with melee weapons

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Their design is to swarm you with low-damage butterflies that will almost certainly hit you but do little damage.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:20 AM

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kind of exist to punish erebus gates

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:20 AM

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While Erebus is all about not getting hit at all.

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With Malphon, I guess with Long Knuckle you'd have a realistic chance of no-hitting them reliably.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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with sword your special destroys alot of them but you need to coordinate it

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Yeah, that's more doable.

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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the facetanking at the last phase of Hades gives me so much anxiety

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yikes

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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yeah

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i just went rambo

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because i screwed up already

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:22 AM

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nice run though

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your dash strike is so accurate I love it

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that's 3 dashes right?

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or 4?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Wish i got my 44 heat recorded the hades fight in that was alot more clean

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got the +1 from hermes

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so 3

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:23 AM

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ok

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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But the number is greater now, so that means it's better.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I kinda realise why double edge is so powerful though, your dash strike hits twice, does double the dmg and also procs your crit twice. Wonder if there are some big-brain strats with divine strike to get twice the i-frames

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I'm very sure that's how it works.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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The only real difference is that I had RI and AP on

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Deflect does not give i-frames.

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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yeah most of the high heat runs use high damage hammers

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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then two instances of deflect i guess

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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such as serrated point, twin/triple shot, charged flight/skewer, etc.

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or hestia innate empowered shot

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I don't know if it adds a second hitbox or just basically doubles your damage.

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Or if the hitbox overlaps.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:26 AM

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It makes your dash strike deal two instances of dmg I saw that with how crits happened on one of them and not the other

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Helps alot with DC2

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:27 AM

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do you have longer animation with Double Edge though?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:27 AM

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no the dmg happens after you get a dash strike in, I saw it still happening even after it ended

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Yeah, but it could be that you still have only 1 hitbox, but if you hit, it triggers 2 hits. Which is essentially just double base damage.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:27 AM

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though very quickly

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two sword strike sound effects played to affirm that too

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:28 AM

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but then i frames might overlap each other?

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if the animation time is the same

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:28 AM

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What i-frames?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Maybe its not going to deflect twice then

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:29 AM

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What i-frames?
deflect frames

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yeah ik the difference

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:29 AM

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I was wondering if it could extend the deflect window though, since it deals two strikes so with Divine strike it would be slightly longer

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Have to really test it to figure out

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:30 AM

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60fps recording

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run it back frame by frame

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Oh i didnt use divine strike here

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ill have to try it out later

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Yeah, I've wondered if it extends your Deflect window, too. But either way, you'll definitely pick up Double Edge if you see it. So it's not like it makes a practical difference.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Its just a food for thought if you see athena attack versus aphrodite

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:31 AM

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also I would love to know exactly how many iframes you have when you dash

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do you think the devs will release that info eventually?

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:31 AM

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And if the extension of your Deflect window is there, but you still haven't noticed it for sure, it probably doesn't matter too much.

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Nope, they won't.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Cuz if it does increase your deflect window may be better to run hunters dash

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to get even more dmg

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I think you had plenty damage that run

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that divine dash came in clutch a lot though

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Yeah ive had more practical success with divine dash

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than strike

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Divine Strike + Hunter Dash was my strategy for 32.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:33 AM

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It worked for me in 44 heat too

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Weak + Deflect probably works better than just Deflect.

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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weak kinda falls off due to hard labour though because your still gonna take alot of dmg

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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But I'm more used to Deflect on attack than dash, personally.

trim sigil Jul 12, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Would weak reduce enemy's 200% dmg to 170 or 140 tho?

robust zephyr Jul 12, 2020, 3:36 AM

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I think it works the same way as how sure footing works with heightened security

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could be wrong though

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I've honestly learned that you can never have too much damage because prepping for the worst case scenario BP2 combinations is always going to pay dividends before you even know it.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Killing everything faster solves a lot of problems.

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 4:59 AM

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@tidal flame so, I have an idea for your Hestia runs.

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Hear me out.

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Have you tried not dying to Hades yet?

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Don't kick me when I'm down please

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8th time and counting

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 5:00 AM

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But that's when it's the most fun.

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 5:00 AM

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One of those days

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Nah, seems unlikely.

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Going by previous data, I calculate your odds to be 0%.

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 5:02 AM

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On a long enough timeline, everyone's survival rate is 0

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What's your point?

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 5:02 AM

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That you'll never make it.

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Ever. dusa

tidal flame Jul 12, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Well I don't see you doing any thing above 20 heat recently so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I should make a Patreon so people can donate for my fight to tweak TD2

fallow stream Jul 12, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Try putting doom on hazard bomb instead.... Since you're dashing all the time, you can always avoid the damage 😭 right?

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And then that way you can put something else on attack... Only half joking here. I hate hazard bomb, but just trying to think outside the box

mossy zinc Jul 12, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Er. I did 32 just yesterday? lol

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And a few days prior.

hollow lynx Jul 12, 2020, 5:14 AM

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