EM3 is 3 heat yes?
#h1-high-heat-strategies
honest kernel
tidal flame
it feels like 5 tbh
forest vortex
Yeah because of the Asterius fight
mossy zinc
Just gotta keep in mind that heat is not linear. The higher in heat you go, the more one point of heat will matter. 
tidal flame
EM4 👀
static plover
EM4 
mossy zinc
Maxy but stronger?
tidal flame
Hades now inherits 2 random BP perks.
exotic ocean
;-;
tidal flame
Bruiser Slugger Hades 🙃
exotic ocean
i wanna get off the ride
exotic ocean
i wanna get off the riiiiide
tidal flame
There is no escape
honest kernel
But clones only have 1 HP.
exotic ocean
imagine four different laser sources
tidal flame
Imagine Hades clonesa lso summons their own units
tidal flame
Hades summons previous bosses instead of units
mossy zinc
When's BP3.
exotic ocean
it would actually be kinda cool to see the furies' em bonus in the hades fight
mossy zinc
Yo lad, we heard you like Cloners, so we put Cloners on your Cloners.
exotic ocean
how many BP bonuses are there?
exotic ocean
so, clearly, the logical conclusion:
tidal flame
Fastest copy paster in the West
exotic ocean
BP11
mossy zinc
Cloners only in Tartarus, Burners only in Asphodel, Poppers only for the Exalted, Seekers only for ranged units.
tidal flame
Linker Cloner Savior Numskulls
mossy zinc
BP3 is just all the banned BP2 combos and nothing else.
tidal flame
New form of torture
mossy zinc
exotic ocean
legit tho i never realized that cloner was only in tartarus
mossy zinc
TD3 is just TD2 but Elysium has 3 more chambers.
I think initially Cloners also showed up in other biomes? Not sure.
exotic ocean
i just never paid attention to which BPs appeared where
mossy zinc
AP3 is just no boons or hammers for you. Just none of that.
UC2 is just sacrifice everything you have. Every biome is a fresh start.
tidal flame
I'm just glad players are not in charge of balancing
exotic ocean
i have wondered if it would be feasible to complete a run with no help
tidal flame
Yup
mossy zinc
HS2 all traps have a bigger hitbox.
tidal flame
I did (kinda)
exotic ocean
every trap damages you immediately upon entering the room
exotic ocean
i mean yeah it's stepwise
mossy zinc
So you can stand somewhere next to a trap, and it triggers, and you get hit.
exotic ocean
what about just an oppressive number of traps
mossy zinc
Why not both.
exotic ocean
like alecto's room except every room
honest kernel
Isn't that just Asphodel?
exotic ocean
true but the lava magma is simply too forgiving
mossy zinc
You haven't seen Asphodel if I designed it. 
exotic ocean
walks into the transition room
hades: you brought extra dashes, right >:3?
mossy zinc
You're gonna need 3 dashes to make it over this gap. Better go back and find Lord Hermes.
I like that we have the same ideas. We would make a good level designer team.
exotic ocean
and by 'good' you mean 'oppressive'
"make your players hate your game," that's my motto!
mossy zinc
One of my favorite games calls its easy mode "Ninja Dog" and makes fun of you for using it.
So yeah lol.
exotic ocean
oof
... that other comment brings up an interesting question, though, about how backtracking might function
exotic ocean
ah, of course, where are my manners
honest kernel
I feel like cloners showed up in other biomes or am I going crazy
mossy zinc
Maybe in an older version.
I think they showed up in other biomes some versions ago, but they haven't in awhile.
Or I could be misremembering because BP2 was still new to me at the time.
honest kernel
okay 
mossy zinc
It's obvious when you pay attention because you see Cloners all the time in Tartarus.
Then suddenly no more Cloners.
Cloner Numbskulls, Cloner Louts, Cloner Pests, Cloner Thugs . . .
When was the last time you saw Cloner Giant Rats?
honest kernel
I have memories of cloners in tartarsauce and elysium but ye probably not anymore
which is good bc these guys were annoying af
honest kernel
now ban speeder chariots for me 😏
mossy zinc
Tarutaru.
Remember, we can F10 any chambers that are particularly unfair. Amir said so.
honest kernel
I prob wouldn't be as scared of chariots without max JS on
mossy zinc
honest kernel
but seeing like 6 of them coming at me at once always makes me run in panic
mossy zinc
You could back up the temp save to practice the encounter.
honest kernel
ah gonna do that next time
exotic ocean
am i the only one who feels like crying upon entering a room and seeing it teeming with armored flamewheels
acoustic hare
You can at least disable Flamewheels with the Well purchase. Can't do that with Chariots.
One of them managed to hit me the same frame it died, costing me a DD.
I think I should have F10'd that.
forest vortex
Chariots with the Speeder perk are what keep me up at night
proper kestrel
made it past Tisiphone yet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/242646727985725450/730706516369342494/unknown.png
50 heat is fun
honest kernel
forest vortex
Meanwhile I got brought down to 1hp by Meg at 32 Heat
fresh marten
oof FO2 is rough
mossy zinc
Ugh, I really hate the EM3 fight with Malphon.
proper kestrel
I actually think that Malphon kinda broke on this patch
Because it feels like dash-attacks are much worse in terms of frames, like, i could try to prove that even, there is something wrong
mossy zinc
I don't think Dash-Strike frames have changed.
misty bough
does artemtis attack or pressure point ability work well with lucy laser? like does each time the laser ramps up in damage is there a chance for crit? and would this strategy be decent for high heat or is it too chance based
cause the only gods ive tried on lucy have been demeter attack + demeter chill explosion boons and zeus attack boon.
cyan stag
Every tick has a separate chance to crit (it's not that different from the regular rail bullets). I hypothesized during theory-crafting that Deadly Strike on L could work together with Hunter Instinct for faster God Gauge charging. Didn't come around to testing it yet.
fallow stream
I don't think Dash-Strike frames have changed
They have, actually. There were patch notes on it at some point, specifically on dash striking and bringing the iframes in line with the strike itself.
This was well before the iframe adjustment to Lucifer rail in particular. Can't remember exactly which patch it was though.
mossy zinc
The comment was about Malphon.
tidal flame
Is this pre Nighty Night or recent?
mossy zinc
- Adamant Rail (Lucifer Aspect): fixed Dash invulnerability persisting after canceling with an attack; range normalized with other Aspects; fixed cases where it triggered some Boon effects very frequently
This has nothing to do with Malphon.
tidal flame
No
fallow stream
I can't remember the exact wording, but I do remember seeing it
mossy zinc
Sigh.
fallow stream
I'm working at the moment, but I'll try different search strings later
mossy zinc
"in: hades-patch-notes fists" will bring up everything for Malphon.
- Twin Fists: fixed Dash-Upper not staggering foes as intended
That was the only change that had anything to do with dashes.
fallow stream
It was a blanket adjustment to all dash strikes though
Not specifically to Malphon
misty bough
has anybody tried posedion sword with an artemtis> posedion> acorn> acorn build at 32 heat. it feels in theory it would be decent cause arti cast is pretty strong especially with posedion but also there is the chance for the duo to have a secondary projectile with your casts which seem decent. does this sound like a viabile build for 32 heat or is it too much of a high roll cause it relies on a duo boon
tidal flame
Like every speedrunners ever
mossy zinc
The Duo Boon is nice, Fully Loaded or extra ammo from Master Chaos would be more important.
misty bough
i haven't attempted 32 heat in a while and just been practicing around 8 to 20 something heat mattering the weapon and was just curious. this might be my next 32 heat run and hopefully it ends up working. i think i also got a hang of beowulf and lucy but still dont really know how to build rama that well
fallow stream
It's a moot point, as I believe the patch notes were for beta, and all those patch notes have been removed
tidal flame
How often do you get hit with that build?
I think the biggest difference on 32 is that you need HL
So it's less forgiving for mistakes and bad timing.
misty bough
HL?
mossy zinc
Hard Labor.
honest kernel
u slap dio flourish on rama and then roll
misty bough
I tried demeter flourish on Rama and zeus flourish on Rama those seemed alright but I didnt know if just spamming special is the way to go or if I was missing something
I'll try dio next time I do rama
honest kernel
dio is based on basicially clicking special until you have max stacks and then doing big attacks if possible
I also never run TD with rama because the dps is kinda bad and elysium bites me in the hide often
fallow stream
Imo, if you do Demeter special on rama, you have to take killing freeze
And not arctic blast
misty bough
TD? Also for the demeter rama run that I did it was 15 heat and artic blast was pretty strong there but obviously 15 heat is very different from 32+ so I can't really say if it's still good at that high level
fallow stream
To me, arctic blast is for crowd control, while killing freeze is for minibosses and bosses, but when you can spread chill easily with a weapon like Rama special, killing freeze is just plain better
And it's tough to make them both work, as arctic blast counters killing freeze
misty bough
That makes sense. My go to is always kill freeze but I didnt see it even with reroll. I ended up having artic blast and demeter legendary so it worked well cause the explosions got stuff close to 10% and they would die
fallow stream
Oh, you had winter harvest?
I have yet to be offered that boon, and I use Demeter boons all the time
misty bough
Yeah for some reason I get really lucky with demeter and around 9/10 runs i do with demeter keepsake as my first keepsake I get winter harvest
It's always oh hey demeter attack or special, then killing freeze and/or Atric blast. Then my 3rd/4th demeter boon is winter harvest and I'm like woohoo I win the game
fallow stream
Damn
misty bough
Its my favorite boon
fallow stream
My game loves to insert Dionysus into every run at random. The guy loves me, and I never take him. Drives me nuts
misty bough
Doing the 15% legendary/duo boon mirror increase does help get those type of boons if you want winter harvest. Demeter and arti are usually my go to gods but they like to jab ares on to me and I'm not really a big fan of him except for his 10 % attack and special damage increase
fallow stream
I'll be balls deep into a stubborn Roots build, or heart rend... Waiting for a miniboss room with a chance at duo.... And, Dionysus instead 🤣
misty bough
Those can be the worse lol
honest kernel
I like his side boons a lot at least
fallow stream
I like Ares for his +20% damage after using stubborn defiance
It's great
Forgot what it's called
mossy zinc
Lord Dionysus's Call is amazing, and his passives certainly don't hurt. Trippy Shot is strong, too. I don't really see the issue. 
fallow stream
Because it hijacks my build
You only get so many chances at getting a duo
Yeah, he's good... But show up in a regular boon room, don't ALWAYS be in the Charon shops or miniboss encounter
It's uncanny
And trippy shot is quite literally my least favourite cast
I can agree with his call being good
mossy zinc
I dunno. Just pick up the Call and buff that if you get him so much. Might as well do that.
misty bough
I'm a big fan of tipsy shot with hera bow. Especially if ya go for Zeus or demeter for attack
mossy zinc
The slow and the extra damage when Hangover is applied passives are great.
fallow stream
My biggest gripe with Dio is that my favourite passive of his (premium vintage) is unsellable for underworld customs
I'll take premium vintage always
mossy zinc
I'll reroll 1-2 times for the Call, then maybe pick up Premium Vintage if the Call doesn't show up.
I used to ignore him a lot until I started aggressively going for his Call when he shows up in my runs.
The range from Asterius's shockwave is completely ridiculous. https://imgur.com/a/Ferqvt3
misty bough
I'm a big fan of the demeter call cause I like dropping it near a boss then running away to keep long range attacks
fallow stream
Meg's hitbox for her whip attack has similar issues @mossy zinc
But since that fight is relatively easy, it's not as impactful
mossy zinc
She also doesn't do that move 2-3 times in a row
fallow stream
Yep
I find Lernie head slam shockwaves also hit me when they shouldn't, but it's not as egregious
mossy zinc
And yeah, she has less than a third of his HP—not even counting Theseus's HP on top of that.
The Furies are basically glass cannons. They can do a lot of damage, but they die pretty fast, too.
EM Asterius is like . . . all the offensive capability of a Dark Knight with all the tankiness of a Paladin. Something like that.
Is he supposed to bull-rush two times in a row? Because he just did that lol.
fallow stream
I've had him tornado twice in a row
mossy zinc
Losing 3x20 or something HP because Theseus decided to turn towards the center just then, even though you were behind him, is also ridiculous. https://imgur.com/a/Kfk8ZXH
That hitbox at the front is ridiculous and procs way too fast.
fallow stream
I always use my call when going after Theseus
autumn sable
There were exactly zero patch notes for the beta.
fallow stream
I know there was some mention of dash strike adjustment at some point, and I thought nothing of it at the time
autumn sable
The only one recently is the Lucifer one
fallow stream
I know
But it wasn't that. It was far more subtle
Which is why I paid no mind to it
autumn sable
I’d be curious if you find it
mossy zinc
Greg told us during the beta that they added 1 i-frame to dashes in Nighty Night and have made no changes to dashes since because some people were questioning if dashes had i-frames removed or something. That's the only mention of dashes I remember.
tidal flame
I think shockwave attacks are a bit overtuned
mossy zinc
I think I'm going to just grind the FO2 EM Theseus and Asterius fight in the next days with Malphon with just Divine Strike and a Call, so I can give them a long list of all the issues I have with that fight.
tidal flame
See:
Meg whip twirl
Hydra head slam
Asterius ground pound
MM Skullcrusher head slam
Also Asterius slam also creates 3 mini shock projectiles that are hard to predict
Which infuriate me the most
autumn sable
The 3 can also shotgun you
mossy zinc
I get that you're supposed to have to deal with certain attacks with melee, but it's ridiculous how much more effort EM TA takes with Malphon even when you have Deflect than with Hestia where it's honestly pretty free. A lot of the time in that fight, I have basically no means to attack anybody because Theseus zooms way too fast and Asterius does those massive shockwaves or spins2win all the time.
tidal flame
The 3 can also shotgun you
Where is Mercy Invincibility when you need it?
autumn sable
Melee, in general, is just significantly more difficult in this game. Dunno if there is a solution to that or if even a solution is needed
tidal flame
mossy zinc
Like, have him throw his axe at me or something instead. That way ranged weapons have something they need to dodge, and Malphon can maybe go in and get some hits in while he's picking it up.
tidal flame
You know what they say, why bring a meelee weapon to a gun fight
The message is sponsored by the Hestia gang
mossy zinc
1 dash to i-frame the slam, 1 dash to i-frame the shockwave, 1 dash to get back in to attack a couple times before he recovers and attacks again. And during the second 50%, his turn speed is faster even.
worldly hearth
LC is too scary for me. I feel like I don't dodge or deflect well enough, and I heavily rely on in-between chamber healing, but it's making finding the right 32 heat combination really difficult
Either I'm missing a secret way to heal with LC on or y'all are just super amazing and don't take damage 😁
tidal flame
You take SD
And suicide every chamber that you are below 30% health
Or take GY for spin heal or Sword Cursed Slash
But SD death healing is the main way people run LC4
worldly hearth
So those will still give heals even with LC on?
worldly hearth
Hmm okay thanks, I didn't know that
tidal flame
Yeah. Abuse SD heal, or weapon specific healing
worldly hearth
Fists are my favorite and "best" weapon but trying to do the high heat runs on it has been difficult
tidal flame
Which pact do you usually run?
autumn sable
I didn’t bother running high LC til 40+ so there’s not a good reason to try and take it at 32
worldly hearth
I have been changing it up a lot lately to the point I don't have a "usual" but I've honestly lately been trying to keep foes in normal encounters at their natural health, meaning I'm going all in on FO or HL and CF while trying to avoid stuff like Calisthenics or the one that gives armorod foes perks
I'm brainfarting right now
On the names
worldly hearth
Basically hoping to take stuff down before they can really hurt me, but it's not been going well as I usually end up having to max out approval process and that really limits options
Oh sweet thanks
I'm on mobile so I don't always remember the hidden icons
tidal flame
Yeah I do the same. My "core" set up for higher heat is HL5 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD2
That's not 32 heat
But the rest is mix and match depending on weapon.
fallow stream
LC4 with SD is essentially get patty cakes' room, and good Styx RNG to carry the Regen bonus into Hades fight... Or lose
Unless you have stubborn Roots, you might be able to pull it off that way
tidal flame
Does Stubborn Roots help that much?
tidal flame
With that regen speed I feel like you would have serious TD issue
fallow stream
You don't use it in regular rooms
Unless you suicide immediately
It's for sustaining against bosses when you lose your SD
tidal flame
Well here is my problem with that though
If Roots is mainly good at bossfights, then practically it's kinda bad
fallow stream
I've had plenty of Lernie and Asterius fights where the only reason I won was because of stubborn Roots
worldly hearth
I'm not gonna lie, I hate asphodel more than any other place in the high heat runs
I just want to dash everywhere but everywhere is LAVA
fallow stream
Look, you can intentionally suicide when you enter a room to get more Regen, but it comes with a huge risk
It depends how confident you are
tidal flame
- you probably won't get Roots in Tartarus so Fury fight is out
- Lernie is relatively free, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
- How do you use Roots heal in Elysium where TD is so crucial
It helps at Hades fight sure
fallow stream
But if it takes 30s on average to clear a room, that's essentially 40 extra hp that you Regen
Assuming you suicide when you enter
tidal flame
And clear the room hitless
tidal flame
Idk, I just fail to see how Stubborn Roots is good on high heat
It got it 2 or 3 tines
I'll admit full heal after Hydra is nice
tidal flame
But that hardly warrants it
fallow stream
You suicide on the next room halfway through clearing
And Regen to full
As you clear
And you can do that in all Styx rooms as well, where it is needed
Bosses, it's clear how useful it is
tidal flame
You are making a lot of assumptions about regening to full while clearing though. That means you
a) Suicide quickly enough
b) Not get hit after suicide
c) Somehow stall long enough to have worthwhile healing while getting through TD
As for bosses, it's good for Hades.
fallow stream
But that's just it, you're not stalling the way I do it
tidal flame
The other 3 I still see problems
fallow stream
With touch of Styx dark you Regen to 80%
So stubborn Roots only needs to Regen 20% more for you
tidal flame
Then the healing mostly comes from Pattie ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tidal flame
Sure
fallow stream
And if you do get hit, stubborn Roots is likely to recover it for you by the time you clear the room anyway
tidal flame
Stubborn Roots is what I'll take if I was offered.
fallow stream
It also gives you more time when running into TD2 deadlines
tidal flame
I won't plan for it though
fallow stream
Gives you 1 extra second every 4s
Which doesn't sound like much, but it does help
200hp/5 = 40s, so stubborn Roots effectively gives you 10 extra seconds to clear in that scenario
misty bough
does chaos and hammer count towards family matters 5% increase for each boon from a different source?
fallow stream
No, I don't think so. He's technically not part of the "Olympus" family
I believe someone asked this question a while ago and that was the answer they got, but only the devs know for certain
hollow lynx
chaos isn't an olympian (and the hammer isn't a god lol)
mossy zinc
Stubborn Roots can carry a run through Elysium to Patroclus if you run DDs.
mossy zinc
It's somewhat similar to Last Stand or Deathless Stand but also Nourished Soul.
fallow stream
@mossy zinc can you test something for me next time you get a chance?
mossy zinc
If it doesn't require EM3. 
fallow stream
Take Zag fists in the courtyard.
Punch the air with them... Clearly faster than Demeter or Talos.
Now Punch Skelly with them. They seem to slow down to the same speed as Talos and Demeter aspect when actually making contact
tidal flame
Hitstop
mossy zinc
Oh, no it's still faster. That's hitstop.
“Hitstop” is a term used to describe a technique employed primarily in fighting games. When you strike the opponent, both parties momentarily freeze, emphasizing the power of impact. It’s a crucial effect.”
https://mynintendonews.com/2015/11/12/sakurai-talks-about-the-term-hitstop-used-in-fighting-games/
SGG call it "hit pause".
tidal flame
Does SGG refer to that explicitly?
mossy zinc
- Twin Fists: improved input buffering after flurry attack; reduced hit pause on Cutter special and Dash-Special (note: this was added as part of a hotfix yesterday)
This is from patch 41.
tidal flame
Thanks!
mossy zinc
The punches wouldn't feel very powerful without hit stop, but it's balanced with that in mind, so it's not really an issue. I've been using Zag Aspect all day, and the Attack speed felt normal.
But if you notice any situation where it's harmful, you should mention it in feedback.
I think the massive hitstop the first iteration of the Uppercut had was actually the most fun lol. But people thought their game was lagging.
fallow stream
They should fix the hitstop on rush kick. That's what I don't like about it
tidal flame
#hades-feedback is this way 
tidal flame
This is my 6th death at Hades on 40+ heat
honest kernel
Okay, real talk, I've been quiet the last few days in the 'Cord because I've been making 32 Lucifer Deadly Strike attempts, but this is the second time now I've been offered an exchange to Heroic Lightning Strike.
tidal flame
why would you want to do Deadly Strike Lucifer?
tardy path
Are you complaining for heroic lighting strike?
honest kernel
Give it a little backstab spice and it shreds.
tardy path
Cause that sounds good on lucy
honest kernel
Yeah, I know high heat has been done with Zeus, but I know that Deadly Strike can hang and I've been spending the last few days trying to prove it.
honest kernel
Oh yeah.
tardy path
honest kernel
I spammed the [REDACTED] out of Zeus with Lucifer when it first came out.
I got Heroic Lightning Strike like, twice.
tardy path
I completely understand you, I've thrown in runs just because I thought that heroic boon would carry me when my common one was waaaaaaaaaay better
honest kernel
Now, on 32 Heat attempts, which I had sworn off, it shows its face over and over?
tidal flame
do you intent to use the ramped attack damage?
honest kernel
Yup.
honest kernel
Unless I'm mistaken the ramp doesn't actually have a cap, it just resets when you reload or break target, so Concentrated Beam with a couple of Attack ups is nasty.
I keep trying to get Blinding Flash and Heart Rend but the Duos just won't come.
tidal flame
I did some science and the ramp doesn't exactly goes up
it peaks at 31 damage at the 7th bullet
tardy path
Duos are the most inconsistent thing to rely on runs
This weekly challenge has just taught me that
tidal flame
then hovers round 18 to 25 ish damage
honest kernel
How much science?
tidal flame
So I am not sure if this changes your mind on Deadly Strike Lucy
but
I counted each shot damage
on skelly
honest kernel
👍
tidal flame
controlling for backstab of course
honest kernel
Why wouldn't you just stand in front of him and shoot him?
tidal flame
yeah that's what I meant
so no backstab bonus
the damage is super weird
it's a set amount, but doesn't scale like any function that I know of
honest kernel
I'm still set on an Artemis build.
It can do it, I got to the finish line, I just decided to smash my face into my keyboard instead of win.
forest vortex
You'll do it I'm sure
honest kernel
I think Piercing Fire is pretty high up non-Lightning Strike Lucifer's high heat tier list.
Why do I have to play well on seeds that hate me and play like Poseidon on seeds that are actually good?
autumn sable
Im with you that Deadly Strike is quite good on Lucifer
Did some runs with some lucky Artemis boons and what it loses in crowd control, it makes up with raw dps
mossy zinc
it's a set amount, but doesn't scale like any function that I know of
This is why we don't let yellow dogs do math.
honest kernel
Oh yeah, it melts hardened targets.
autumn sable
And you have the option of triple beam for a little crowd control too
honest kernel
Piercing Fire? Hello Greatshields and Theseus.
light sedge
One room full of puller speeder flame wheels, and the next had three savior slugger great shields with
autumn sable
If you wanna go down the lucky tree
light sedge
Bp is such bs sometimes
mossy zinc
My question is why wouldn't you take Hestia Deadly Strike over Lucifer Deadly Strike?
honest kernel
Because I have Very Complicated Feelings™️ about Mass Effect 3 and the Prothean Particle Rifle.
And knowing that I can make the ramping beam work here too makes me want to push the distance.
mossy zinc
My solution to any and all complicated feelings I had about ME3 was to stop playing it somewhere halfway through and never looking back, and declaring it non-canon.
Except for Samantha. She's canon. 💗
honest kernel
I wish I had your foresight, but I have to live with what I put myself through.
Moving to #video-games
tidal flame
Samantha Traynor?
Yeah I bought her the toothbrush at the first opportunity
Just like how I gifted Meg all the contrabands
mossy zinc
This is not #video-games.
mossy zinc
I did some science and . . . it's a set amount, but doesn't scale like any function that I know of
—FoxHope
I'm giving you an F.
mossy zinc
@tidal flame Hestia uniquely provides massive damage in a single quick ranged attack that has barely any startup or recovery. And Aegis gives block. That's why those are banned from the challenge. The focus is on fighting Maxy fair and square.
tidal flame
How does GY special spam not count?
Seems like you can ban all ranged weapons
For a "fair and square" fight
mossy zinc
Guan Yu's Throw has 45 base damage and more startup. Hestia has 150 base damage.
tidal flame
You are implying that Hestia is somehow overpowered
mossy zinc
Am I?
frail crane
the shield (especially chaos aspect) is a bit overpowered in that if you get a good damage up (like what I ended up with) it more than outbalances the reduced base damage (which is a trade-off for the ability to block)
the hestia ban doesn't affect me though since I've done exactly 0 runs with it :P
tidal flame
Yeah, you are
mossy zinc
Nope.
tidal flame
Yup
frail crane
You kinda are. Why else would it be banned from the challenge?
Or I'm very much missing something, which is also possible
mossy zinc
It's uniquely strong in boss fights. That doesn't mean it's generally overpowered.
frail crane
here's a challenge for you: HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2. Optional: EM3 MM.
mossy zinc
@severe vector HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2. Optional: EM3 MM. No Aegis or Hestia.
tidal flame
Mr. Hades run
tidal flame
That's Mr. Hades for you
severe vector
ohh is this a special challenge in additional to the weekly one pinned in builds?
mossy zinc
That is also the name of the challenge. Zaggy vs Maxy.
tidal flame
It's a decked out Hades
mossy zinc
It's just one I made up for @frail crane. Or anyone.
tidal flame
Basically all the pacts that make Hades stronger
mossy zinc
Yep. And if you want, you can make all the other bosses and minibosses stronger, too.
severe vector
ugh DC2 :c
mossy zinc
With EM3 and MM.
tidal flame
How much heat is that
frail crane
16
tidal flame
With everything on
frail crane
without EM3 and MM
tidal flame
So 24?
frail crane
I don't have #s memorized, so maybe
severe vector
i picked the wrong weapon for this lol
mossy zinc
lol even as I'm starting to slowly get the hang of fighting FO2 EM Asterius with Malphon and Divine Strike, you take ridiculous amounts of untelegraphed damage from Theseus.
severe vector
mm was a mistake why did i turn it on
severe vector
noo athena didn't give me dash
acoustic hare
Speedy Longspears. Why is it. Always. The Speedy Longspears?
I feel bad for being so bad. There's no excuse for being SO bad.
mossy zinc
TFW you notice that EM Theseus and Asterius are completely immune to Deflect damage.
No wonder this fight takes forever and ever.
acoustic hare
Hmm. I think if Asterius didn't spam his rush right after spin for 2 times in a row, I should have had more DD and actually made it past the Heroes at the end this time. For the first time for me at 32 Heat.
I only had 1 or 2 throws left for Theseus to die
mossy zinc
I finally found the strategy I needed for my Malphon build, and it's now in #hades-feedback.
It is, of course, high heat strategy #1: wait for patches.
fallow stream
These people that want to make he game harder for no reason other than they find dash attacking when watching streams to be too frequent... What is wrong with them?
Lol
Do they not understand that if you don't move, you get hit?
mossy zinc
I can understand making the final attack in the normal attack combo a bit more satisfying, perhaps.
light sedge
Their point is that attacking while on the move shouldn't be more powerful than pulling off a three hit stationary combo, which makes sense.
They also mentioned they have 100+ hours in-game, so how about you ease down on judging others.
mossy zinc
Yeah. Greatest Reflex is usually a better DPS increase than Swift Strike. Which seems odd.
Dash-Strikes also get both Dash-Strike bonus damage and Attack bonus damage.
light sedge
@alpine egret This is my "routine build" for 20 heat: https://imgur.com/a/fTwR6Ea
Not sure if it would work for you tho
forest vortex
FO2 is not that bad imo once you get used to it
forest vortex
I don't think so. I did my first 32 Heat with Arthur and had no problem with the increased speed from enemies
fast spade
whats wrong with underworld customs?
light sedge
It can scuff your build
forest vortex
Rama's slow speed can be countered with dash-strike
fast spade
Its free 2 heat
frail crane
Also, re: dash attacking versus using the full combo: the only times I'll stand still (when I have a weapon with a combo) are when I just want to safely hitstun an enemy to death
fast spade
for me at least its completely fine
forest vortex
It is with Fated Persuasion tho
forest vortex
me too
tidal flame
Usually I have one or two boons I don't want anyhow
The biggest choke for UC is Tartarus
light sedge
I'd rather not be put in that position at all lol
fast spade
are you running the +chance for boon/pom/cash rooms?
forest vortex
I hate that mirror upgrade
light sedge
I think it's fine, more situational that its counterpart
forest vortex
To each their own I guess
light sedge
Not preferable if using TD that's for sure
But if you're going for, say Hoarding Slash, it's great!
fast spade
I find it better in combination with (whatever the alternative to priv status is called)
since you get more boons = you get more gods a whole
light sedge
Yea, it's good in combination with Fated Persuasion
forest vortex
The fact that Hoarding Slash apply the bonus damage after everything else is so underwhelming
I thought I'd get a chonky crit with Hoarding but nope
forest vortex
Yeah
forest vortex
I don't think it's good
tidal flame
It's doesn't increase your base
forest vortex
Yeah sadly
tidal flame
It doesn't factor into crit modifier
fast spade
wait what
tidal flame
Doesn't get bonus from damage streroids
tidal flame
It's a flat damage bonus
forest vortex
Maybe post it in feedback
fast spade
^
forest vortex
See if it's intentional or not
fast spade
Seems more of a bug to me
tidal flame
Well I'm not writing one but you can ;)
fast spade
I already wrote one and got a really mixed reception today :p
tidal flame
And that's ok
Feedbaks shouldn't be taken personally
Write another, if it makes sense I'll upddot it
forest vortex
I got a few that's heavily downvoted
fast spade
Dont we all love master chaos? And dont you hate it when you havent got enough health to enter a choas gate? I would find it neat if you could essentially force your way past it at a higher cost.
Similar to how you can bust through money doors in deadcells at the cost of getting one shotted until you kill 30 enemies. Or like how in Hollow Knight you can equip more charms than you actually should at the cost of receiving double damage.
Choas gates could have a similar mechanic, if you dont have enough health to pass through the gate, you could still get in after lets say spamming the button like 10 times, but you would lose like a death defiance or be cursed to get 1hit killed in the next encounter. (Just a vague concept, the punishment could be literally anything)Chaos is already about that whole risk/reward thing, so I was thinking: why not expand on that further?
like, I dont get why ppl are mixed on this
forest vortex
I upvoted it tho
tidal flame
I honestly hate that idea lol
fast spade
Its a feature that wouldnt harm anything, but if you would wanna take a major risk, its there
Why so?
tidal flame
I get that it doesn't take away anything
Sure
But I like uniformity in room interaction
And that makes the game a bit bloated
For what? A niche use in a niche use?
fast spade
yupp, pretty much
frail crane
It's something that's really hard to teach players
I would never think to do that, and I go into Chaos at almost every opportunity
tidal flame
I mean keep the feedbacks coming
fast spade
I do too
tidal flame
Again, that channel is never to be taken personally xD
forest vortex
Many people don't know about the overcharmed system in Hollow Knight tho
frail crane
I definitely like the idea of a way to get into Chaos when you don't have enough health, I just don't think that that's it
light sedge
I remember trying to equip more charms but it didn't let me so I gave up lol
tidal flame
Lol
fast spade
Yeah, my idea was just a general concept, as I said
the punishment could be literally anything
frail crane
Not the punishment, the method. Spamming the enter button
fast spade
hollow knight doesnt teach you about overcharming either
nor does deadcells about breaking money doors
forest vortex
That's the same way overcharmed works
fast spade
thats how I got the idea ^
forest vortex
But I agree that it's pretty weird
frail crane
I haven't played either of those (though HK is on my list), so I can't say
light sedge
Really good metroidvania if you're into those
frail crane
I'm building one, so yeah xD
forest vortex
Cool
light sedge
One of my fav games, got all the achievements lol
fast spade
samez
forest vortex
But is Dead Cells a metroidvanja?
fast spade
I even have the collectors edition
forest vortex
I thought it was a Rogue lite
fast spade
deadcells is a roguelite metroidvania mix
light sedge
I was referring to HK
forest vortex
Oh ok
light sedge
Ya, it's what SwanDragon mentioned 😄
fast spade
Anyhow, I guess ppl aren't familiar with that concept if they haven't played those games...
frail crane
I will note, I've actually not voted on it yet, because I agree with some parts but not with others
honest kernel
I didn't even know that chaos can kill u I thought they always puts you at 1HP
frail crane
Chaos cannot, you just can't enter
honest kernel
oh
frail crane
Ah, I see
This is in reference to being able to enter, not in reference to Chaos Banes
honest kernel
I know that
but I assumed entering works the same as banes
I'd be ok w entering just putting you at 1HP
fast spade
when you enter you just take 20-30 points of dmg
if you dont have that hp you straight up cant enter
which kinda sucks imo
honest kernel
yea thats kinda whack
just set the player at 1HP
also I ran deadcells and uh what r moneydoors
is that in the new update or something
fast spade
its the golden doors you have to use cash to unlock, usually have an item behind them
Im not sure if they appear before 1BC or not
honest kernel
oh I didnt know you can burst them open
fast spade
yeah
honest kernel
I played 3BC
fast spade
if you hit them enough you get cursed and they open
honest kernel
but then I got too fed up w the game
fast spade
I feel that
honest kernel
okay
well I think its a lot less fitting for hades for entering the gate giving you a curse...?
taking curses is a thing u do a lot in deadcells to get good stuff but people even hardly use chaos and chaos ain't that great tbh
frail crane
I mean, I feel like the reason you take damage is that it's really friggin hard to get there
Okay let's not dump on Chaos xD I visit them constantly
fast spade
huh? Hardly use chaos? They are (sorry) damn manditory imo
frail crane
They*
honest kernel
uhm
well people use chaos to skip rooms in elysium as far as I know but not much more on high heat
the risk reward is pretty bad for chaos
frail crane
I...uh...I gotta disagree there, but then again I haven't played at properly "high" heat
honest kernel
especially on high heat I dont want to take chaos on lower ones chaos gets way better imo
clever otter
i visit chaos all the time unless im using high heat
honest kernel
the chance to just get garbage boons is high and then you have to live with a bane
frail crane
Fated Persuasion, for me
fast spade
then you pick the bane thats the best for you
clever otter
now that they have the boon that gives extra gems, im like, gimme
fast spade
hell yeah, hit me with that extra cast stone choas
honest kernel
life regen is so hard to come by and fated persuasion can be really sparse with RI1 already
honest kernel
it kinda is? depends on how you build
honest kernel
chaos took such a huge blow to me after the update used to visit them more before that
guess different builds favour different things in the end
fallow stream
Ruthless reflex, I could never get used to that
And dark foresight? That's like... The most useless mirror talent, unless you're just farming
fallow stream
It's not more boons
light sedge
it's any gold laurel
honest kernel
Did we ever get more testing than the literal one run?
I thought it increased gold laurel spawn rate?
light sedge
Yes
honest kernel
seems ok to me
fast spade
its good imo
fallow stream
From what I've always seen, there's generally a cap on the number of boons you'll get per biome regardless
fast spade
better than having 40% on rare boons
hollow lynx
the only testing i can remember was that one run, so imo i can hardly say that it's useless, definitively
fallow stream
With trial of the gods being the exception to that rule
honest kernel
this was my go to 40 heat when I ran it with rama
def didn't feel chaos on that one
fast spade
thats... thats masochism my dude
light sedge
Seems alright to me, you can take your time
honest kernel
yeah
fast spade
oh true, no tight deadline
light sedge
Play it nice and safe
honest kernel
you can play rly safe
honest kernel
I didn't win tho I died to hades 3 times 😂
light sedge
Oh hahaha alright, that's good tho
honest kernel
and now im taking a break
light sedge
you'll get it eventually
honest kernel
yeah I'll kill hades on 40 at some point
light sedge
HL Hades is a damn beast
tidal flame
Just don't get hit 4head
fallow stream
I'm currently trying to hash out a heat 40 pact without TD2. Just tired of it
fast spade
why would you guys do that to yourself, I still havent gotten 32 heat down (died at dad a buncha times)
tidal flame
Because
light sedge
You'll get it eventually
honest kernel
this is the tryhard channel
honest kernel
32 is pretty comfy for me by now
light sedge
32 isn't hard enough after enough play time lol
honest kernel
yeah
forest vortex
True
tidal flame
👀
light sedge
You get used to enemy movements and patterns and it's not that bad
honest kernel
the difficulty scaling just skyrockets after like 35
fallow stream
There's definitely a tipping point
light sedge
Yea, because you start giving up on essential things like, time/health/boons
You also rely a LOT more on RNG
fallow stream
Ehhh... Sorta
honest kernel
getting bad rooms def gets way more likely higher up
fallow stream
Depends on your pact. RNG doesn't really become a factor at 40
fast spade
me cryin' with 183h in the game
light sedge
400+ o/
fast spade
o7
honest kernel
I have uh 112
tidal flame
If you don't take RNG pacts then you will face way nastier options
Like JS and CP with TD
honest kernel
I just can't stand TD elysium destroys me 😔
tidal flame
Join the club xD
light sedge
It's absolute torture
fallow stream
TD is the biggest factor by far
honest kernel
the other areas are fine
tidal flame
If you watch all the 40+ vods
honest kernel
but elysium nope
light sedge
It's quite something to run out of time and have Asterius ride you like no tomorrow
fallow stream
Particularly when fighting bosses because I like to take my time on bosses
fallow stream
If they were to make the boss fights infinite time, I'd actually be perfectly happy
Nothing burns my ass more than having to rush Hades fight
tidal flame
So yeah, not saying you need Patty to win, I just haven't seen a successful 40+ run without him
light sedge
True
fast spade
JS is fine by itself imo, as long as you dont stack it with CP
fallow stream
It is possible with SD, but you'll need like double touch of Styx + last stand
Then you can confidently do it
light sedge
JS and TD are impossible to deal with IMO
fallow stream
JS1 is ok
tidal flame
JS is fine by itself imo, as long as you dont stack it with CP
If you go high enough, that's inevitable
fast spade
yeah, its the combination of these thats insane
fallow stream
For every point of JS, you should add one point of CP before going up another JS
fast spade
JS, CP and TD are all fine by themselves, if you combo them together it gets nasty
fallow stream
So go CP1 before you go JS2, etc
mossy zinc
I just wanna say you're all crazy picking JS or CP at 20 heat. Why would you do that to yourself.
fast spade
because its completely fine
light sedge
Yes
fast spade
Imo it is
fast spade
its noticable, but still manageable
fallow stream
The problem is how chaos stacks on to JS
fast spade
oops
light sedge
@mossy zinc what's your 20 heat setup
fast spade
but screw Elysium
fallow stream
We are talking heat 20
tidal flame
Not her but here:
EM3 MM BP2 FO2 TD2
light sedge
Because FO2
tidal flame
That's about 23 heat
light sedge
EM3 FO2 is brutal
honest kernel
Now throw in Hard Labor.
tidal flame
Get used to it
honest kernel
EM3 gets evil too fast
fallow stream
HL2 is no problem
fast spade
EM3 FO2 is brutal
@light sedge I disagree
fallow stream
MM is perfectly fine
mossy zinc
EM3 or not depends on the weapon.
light sedge
I'd rather not have FO2 and just handle it all with any wep
fast spade
I used to run em3 and FO5 back when it was a thing
tidal flame
FO5
fast spade
em3 was a bit different back then tho
fast spade
its only 50%
light sedge
I mean Asterius already has instant attacks lol
mossy zinc
I'm not interested in playing without FO2 on low heat and throwing off my timing when I play high heat again.
light sedge
No need to make them any faster
tidal flame
Bh FO5 do you mean FO2?
fast spade
hehe, unless were talking FO5 right after the patch when you could get 100%
that was fun
light sedge
I suppose that's true if you're mostly playing high heat runs
fast spade
pre nighty night FO was up to FO5 for a max of 50%
light sedge
I don't do that, I like my runs to be nice and chill
tidal flame
I see
honest kernel
FO2 kills me
light sedge
EM3 and FO2 are worth 3 heat, but one affects the whole run, while the other just two fights
that's my logic behind it
light sedge
haha true
fallow stream
Demeter completely counters FO2 and then some, if you take the right support boons
tidal flame
Artic Blast goes brrrrr
mossy zinc
I don't have any specific setup for 20 heat. I don't see 20 really as a challenge, so I'm not interested in doing 20 heat specifically. It just really doesn't excite me at all. I'll pick whatever setup to test or practice something specific at whatever heat that happens to be, or I'll do something on high heat.
fast spade
the humblest of flexes
light sedge
Yea, 20 is no challenge anymore for me as well, but i take pleasure from getting combo builds going
But I guess we each take pleasure from different things
Which is why this game is so good because it allows so many play styles
tidal flame
Arctic actually reduces her counter effect
Ik, we use Demeter for different purposes
mossy zinc
I was asked about my 20 heat setup, so that's my answer lol.
fast spade
when I just wanna chill I drop everything but EM3 and FO2
thats my relax setup
light sedge
Serrated Point ❤️
fast spade
ah yes, triple dash attack
fallow stream
One combo many people don't use is vengeful mood + frozen touch and arctic blast
It is AMAZING
mossy zinc
I'd take EM3 if it didn't entirely negate my main build with Malphon lol.
fast spade
what are you running?
mossy zinc
Divine Strike + Hunter Dash.
tidal flame
Pretty much the only way to win a spear melee run imo
I have to agree, Serrated Point is too good to pass. Without it my damage is slow as molasses
fast spade
yeah, I hope that gets changed
mossy zinc
I didn't notice until yesterday.
fast spade
well, at least you still dont take the dmg
fallow stream
@light sedge that's not true. Exploding launcher builds are very viable
fast spade
I like abusing that with divine strike guan yu
light sedge
It's why I mentioned melee
mossy zinc
I only noticed before that the fight felt utterly ridiculous and took forever.
There's no point in risking going for deflects when they don't take damage for it.
fast spade
well, it still allows you to stay close without taking dmg
light sedge
Gonna actually start running 21 heat so that I get the clean map lol
anyone else? hah
fast spade
clean map?
tidal flame
Get the clean map?
light sedge
No markers
tidal flame
Wut
light sedge
You don't get the bounty map markers anymore for 21 and above
mossy zinc
You don't just take no damage with Divine Strike. It's not that simple. It's not easy to just deflect all hits coming your way, you'll definitely lose big chunks of HP if you stay in that close trying to deflect.
tidal flame
Oh
fast spade
You don't get the bounty map markers anymore for 21 and above
@light sedge I never noticed this
was this added in blood price?
light sedge
yes
fallow stream
You don't just take no damage with Divine Strike. It's not that simple. It's not easy to just deflect all hits coming your way, you'll definitely lose big chunks of HP if you stay in that close trying to deflect.
Heresy! 🤭
fast spade
ah, okey, that makes sense, I havent gone above 2 this patch
You don't just take no damage with Divine Strike. It's not that simple. It's not easy to just deflect all hits coming your way, you'll definitely lose big chunks of HP if you stay in that close trying to deflect.
@mossy zinc not quite, I feel like as long as the guan yu "spinner" is within the attack hitbox you dont get hit by it
I may be mistaken though
fallow stream
If only engulfing vortex affected GY spin attack 🤔
mossy zinc
That's with Guan Yu, but that's not perfectly reliable either.
light sedge
Massive Spin does tho
tidal flame
You get a hammer for that though
mossy zinc
I was talking about Malphon.
fast spade
well, if you get the long knuckle (thats what it was) it seems pretty freelo
mossy zinc
Trust me, it isn't.
fallow stream
I always have a tough time choosing between Explosive cutter, long knuckle and Colossus knuckle, which the game LOVES to offer at the same time quite often
The worst is when it gives me long knuckle and breaching cross together
mossy zinc
I think the utility from the latter two can't match Explosive Upper on high heats.
tidal flame
BC all day every day for me
fallow stream
It depends if I'm gunning for a privileged status build or not
tidal flame
Cool artwork, cool name, cool effect
mossy zinc
Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper on Demeter Aspect are the only ones I'd consider a tough choice.
tidal flame
What not to like
fallow stream
For that, long kinckle is king
Long knuckle + explosive is my ideal combo
The amount of damage you can do with privileged status with those two is hilarious
mossy zinc
I've never much cared for Long Knuckle, and I still don't. It's okay.
fast spade
I also really like the stacking dmg hammer one
mossy zinc
Concentrated Knuckle is great on Zagreus Aspect. But it's no Breaching Cross.
tidal flame
Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper on Demeter
fallow stream
Flying cutter is redundant, since rush kick offers the same with no charge up time
tidal flame
Breaching Cross ans Long Knuckle on Zagreus
Kinetic can be really fun on Demeter, too
fallow stream
And quake cutter should be removed from game
mossy zinc
I still haven't tried Flying Cutter since the supposed buff.
fast spade
I personally am a big fan of Talos
tidal flame
Ew
fast spade
and long knuckle is great
tidal flame
Just kidding
fallow stream
There is no reason to take quake cutter over explosive upper
It just dilutes the pool
fast spade
I kinda agree
fallow stream
And nobody is dumb enough to wait for the animation to finish on uppers
fallow stream
It's just a recipe for death
mossy zinc
Talos is strong, I've just been too preoccupied with other things to really grind with it and push its limits.
fast spade
quake cutter is really bad bc of the animation imo
Its the worst hammer for me personally
fallow stream
Quake cutter should be exactly like explosive upper, but not on dash uppers, only for regular uppers
Imo
mossy zinc
I want the changes for it that I wrote in #hades-feedback. Either something like that or cut it from the game.
fast spade
or the nova could happen when you jump off instead when you land
fallow stream
Or make it totally different... Where it changes the upper cut to a ground slam, sending a Shockwave out, a la Juggernaut
fast spade
^
mossy zinc
Quake Cutter in its current state doesn't exist.
fast spade
could be cool
mossy zinc
Nobody picks it. Nobody uses it when they do pick it.
light sedge
Works nicely with Flying Cutter, but that's about it
mossy zinc
Except for new players.
fallow stream
Imo, stuff like cursed slash and draining cutter should have a simple reduced functionality to +1hp per Regen on LC4
But that's just my opinion
mossy zinc
Can't really comment on that because I avoid LC4 like the plague lol.
Or like corona(cht).
fallow stream
Stubborn Roots works through LC4, so I dunno why the Regen specials can't
mossy zinc
I know Draining Cutter is amazing for RI4.
tidal flame
Because you don't have -health downside
fallow stream
Lc2 is ok too
fast spade
2 is kinda eww
mossy zinc
A minimum of 1 HP for hammers like that sounds fair.
fallow stream
3 and 4 are bad
fast spade
yeah
mossy zinc
No thank you.
tidal flame
Scared rabbit
mossy zinc
Rabbit? That's the animal you call me?
fallow stream
We'd call you a Shrew, but someone already took it
I'm gonna go fail another heat 40 run now, brb
honest kernel
gl
tidal flame
What happened to the Wigglytuff
mossy zinc
My rabbit had surgery last month, and now you brought back those traumatic memories.
I hope you feel happy now.
/cry
fallow stream
Making a rabbit dinner is not "surgery"
fallow stream
🤣
There is no way you are vegan
You would have told everyone by now
That's the 1st rule of vegan fight club
tidal flame
What would it be like if you are a Mod?
mossy zinc
Kind of like in my SFV servers but with more Hades and less SFV?
tidal flame
Yeah that clears everything up
mossy zinc
?
I finally F10d the evil FO2 Giant Rat that immediately bites you, yesterday.
Take that, Giant FO2 Rat!
No more taking my HP for free!
fallow stream
Lightning reflexes got nerfed HARD
mossy zinc
?
fallow stream
I'm iframing attacks right now, and it's not triggering at all
It has to be SUPER close to being hit
Which is exactly what iframing is, so I dunno
tidal flame
Maybe git gud?
fallow stream
Ok, I'll show you
mossy zinc
Sounds like how it's always worked? I dunno, I'm about to go to sleep.
honest kernel
ghastly was my original pfp anyways
mossy zinc
Use 3 emoji to describe your emotion when you need to no-hit a chamber on high heat to not lose a DD, so you can buy HP from that Well you're seeing, and you're hearing MEOW!!!
honest kernel
im only wigglytuff when im playing PMD
mossy zinc
Inb4 you all use SD.
honest kernel
⚰️ 🤸♀️ 🐒
tidal flame
🐰 🙃
fallow stream
SD is the best and worst thing for me in this game.
Get to Hades 80% of the time because of it, and die to Hades 80% of the time.... Because of it
mossy zinc
Okay, here's the cheater version for SD users: use 3 emoji to describe your emotion when you lose SD willingly because you want to get a DD from Lady Athena, but you miscalculated, and there's another wave that you now need to no-hit and you're hearing MEOW!!!
fallow stream
fast spade
oh btw, Im not sure about how the blood price works, is it completely random in the in-between shops or does it actually have a spawning condition?
mossy zinc
Somebody said 22% chance it shows up.
fast spade
backed up by anything, or is it is just from testing?
mossy zinc
I guess somebody looked at the game files? I heard 22% a lot here. I don't think we're supposed to show what we found in the game files directly, though, so they probably couldn't back it up like that.
Maybe it's from the wiki, in which case somebody would have verified in the game files before adding it.
@tidal flame you're supposed to use 3 emoji to describe your emotions in that situation, not to attack me.
mossy zinc
Oh right. You don't make it to Elysium.
tidal flame
mossy zinc
fallow stream
Ha
mossy zinc
I'm laughing way too hard right now.