between the lunge and the return at least
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
I like it just the way it is, personally. Gives you a lot of control over it.
vivid crater
i do feel like it's the most useful special hammer on nemesis though
honest charm
it's awkward with KBM
autumn sable
I’m actually quite sure a lot of people are spamming special on Nemesis
tidal flame
33% spec 66% attack
robust zephyr
you mean 66% dash attack
tidal flame
100% to remember the name
robust zephyr
heh
vivid crater
the new double nova is pretty nice
but i mean, on nemesis I tend to not go for special hammers anyways
robust zephyr
Its honestly not worth a hammer slot with nemesis, better to get two attack boosting hammers (double edge)
and whatever else
mossy zinc
Not like you always get the choice.
robust zephyr
breaching slash and shadow slash would be other two picks i think
I still wouldnt go snap nova if given the choice since it messes with the flow of things
tidal flame
double edge and super nova/shadow slash seem to be the most optimal imo
vivid crater
i mean, if I can pick I'd almost always pick flurry breaching 😓
if i don't have an extra dash i'd take snap nova
tidal flame
oh yeah forgot about breaching
robust zephyr
I wish flurry wasnt a hammer because its so good but it takes a hammer slot
feels so much better than base attack
mossy zinc
Anything for Attack takes priority on Nemesis anyway.
autumn sable
Double edge is so strong with Nemesis that I’m not sure you need Breaching
robust zephyr
yeah but having breaching is better than nothing
tidal flame
if i don't have an extra dash i'd take snap nova
again, too big brained for me. I can only count to 6 max, aka the max amount of dash you have. normally I can only count to 2 for 2 dashes.
mossy zinc
RI4 I'd probably prioritize Snap Nova.
robust zephyr
Its extremely situational
its good in that one scenario otherwise probably not worth it
autumn sable
I agree, breaching is great if you don’t have double edge
robust zephyr
because its alot of work just for one hammer that drastically changes you gameplay for a special centric build mainly
daring hedge
I don't know if double edge is necessarily needed. It's probably its best hammer, yes
robust zephyr
Well i guess its possible
vivid crater
hm, if i'm running flurry wouldn't i hit more often with a normal attack tahn dash strike?
robust zephyr
but really hard to do without
vivid crater
i guess it depends on the enemy type
mossy zinc
Yeah, I don't think you need Double Edge. Obviously the best hammer for it, but Nemesis does a ton of damage regardless.
daring hedge
I know it's not the same environment, but my sub 12 sword run was nemesis without double edge. To go fast you need damage, and it was still there
robust zephyr
I guess i should specify high heat
if you get like 3 chaos epic attack boons/ dash strike boons that sorta makes up for double edge too
if ur lucky enough
daring hedge
Your point was about doing enough damage, though. And I'm saying I think nemesis is still capable at high heat in terms of that even without double edge
Though obviously you want double edge
mossy zinc
I'm talking high heat, too. I see how fast I'm deleting Lernie with just Heartbreak Strike on it. Damage is damage.
robust zephyr
Well its definitely harder without
mossy zinc
I unlock high damage much faster on it than with Malphon.
tidal flame
tbh, most things delete Lernie
autumn sable
Yeah, but a lot of things outdamage Fist if you’re used to Athena fist
robust zephyr
Honestly you need way more dmg if you put things such as JS3 and CP2 on
autumn sable
That’s not to say Nemesis definitely feels like it puts out a ton of damage really easily
mossy zinc
I've played with JS3 and CP2 on.
robust zephyr
also BP
tidal flame
does JS summon more waves or more enemies per wave?
robust zephyr
more enemies per wave
robust zephyr
I've played with JS3 and CP2 on.
@mossy zinc And?
daring hedge
One of nemesis' main hurdles at high heat isn't damage, it's safety while pulling off any highly damaging combos
tidal flame
I definitely think there are more waves in Styx chamber with JS on
robust zephyr
Well that becomes solved with more dmg funny enough
if u can kill things faster than they spawn
you can pull of your comboes faster
safety becomes given with athena
autumn sable
I tried combinations of JS and CP and I do think Nemesis has issues with them
robust zephyr
it becomes an arms race in terms of dmg with stygius
daring hedge
Not so with HL5, not that simple
robust zephyr
the whole kill enemies before they kill you philosophy is very true with stygius
it makes it safer overall
daring hedge
You can't just recklessly damage down hades or EM3 champs nbd
tidal flame
you can't kill traps with that
tidal flame
I mean you need to factor traps in when you dash strike spam with Nemesis
tidal flame
but more pronounced with Nemesis
autumn sable
I think that’s more of being aware of where you dash strike and spam less
robust zephyr
its definitely more of an issue if u put on HS
mossy zinc
I'm thinking Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash + Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air is ideal for Nemesis.
robust zephyr
Im thinking if you could do athena strike, hunters dash since that would be great with double edge
mossy zinc
I'm really liking Smoldering Air a lot. Liking it more the more I use it.
robust zephyr
That would be nice with athena call
probably if i got aphro on special for the prereq
maybe zeus cast
if it works
for prereq
mossy zinc
I haven't used Athena's Aid in quite a while. I think it's unnecessary? All the calls give very generous i-frames, so I just want damage.
robust zephyr
still that requires alot of good rng
daring hedge
Smoldering air is good and flexible with many calls. Forgot who it was but someone was trying to argue that it was a terrible duo because of preventing greater calls lol
robust zephyr
Its quite great with nemesis since it gives you more time to throw out "high dmg comboes"
afterall dmg isnt the problem with nemesis
right
autumn sable
No call is going to out dps uninterrupted Nemesis combos
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid is the most efficient way to unlock it on Nemesis. And Zeus' Aid will do the most damage to bosses since you can still attack at the same time.
Dionysus' Aid for mobs.
daring hedge
I still don't know why you're being weird about nemesis and damage still. You initially posited that double edge is needed, while it isn't. Then went to saying it's harder without it. Which, yes, sure, we aren't really disputing that
mossy zinc
With Poseidon's Aid I'd rather want a Greater Call, so I can just skip the final 50% of Hades with some poms on it.
robust zephyr
therefore athena aid for the safety to 'throw out more high dmg comboes' agrees with your point
Effiency wise zeus wins out, but dmg wise uninterrupted stygius comboes can be alot more. I dont know if it is ideal though to gun for smoldering air simply theorising.
if u you give up on athena dash, and go heart break, athena call, hunters dash and dem/dio special for priv status with zeus cast. Smouldering air for the duo. Can do the most damage and have a relatively safe way to deal dmg uninterrupted. Though biomes may be harder without a consistent deflector.
Major problem with this build-up is rng though
alot of good rng required
mossy zinc
Smoldering Air can give you permanent Second Wind already.
robust zephyr
the thing is, for simply a few i-frames of call you can at most 1-2 dash strikes out but with a bar of athena call you can get about 4-5 dash strikes out. So i'd say it wins out.
Smoldering Air can give you permanent Second Wind already.
@mossy zinc Do you mean literally or metaphorically? It actually gives you evasion or effectively gives you it in i-frames
mossy zinc
I'm saying Smoldering Air + Second Wind will keep up Second Wind permanently.
robust zephyr
thought you meant it gives you the effect permanently
because that seems a bit broken
mossy zinc
It's kinda broken when you have both anyway lol.
robust zephyr
yeah i guess
honest charm
may I interrupt with the entire high heat strat compendium?
robust zephyr
go ahead
honest charm
High heat strategies compendium:
(1) enter Erebus early, fail
(1b) enter Erebus in Elysium and fail
(2) whiff your summons
(3) step on magma
(3b) step on magma for SD when you have no SD
(4) dash into 150 damage urn to avoid 20 damage skull shockwave
(5) buy healing items with LC4
(6) walk into every spin
(7) walk back into Lernie head slam after dashing out of it
(8) use summon to destroy DC hearts
(9) find Patroclus when you have 3 DDs,
(9b) never find Patroclus when you have no DDs
(10) skip forced boon in Asphodel, never see another
(11) mash dash
(12) dash into traps while trying to avoid enemies
(12b) dash into traps to cure poison
(13) accidently use summon when meant to use god call
(14) exit rooms just to last second catch a glimpse of something you missed
(14b) for instance, fishing spots in Chaos
(15) have AP deny you a potentially run-defining duo several times
thank you.
mossy zinc
©️ Nyaanyaa Mewmew
robust zephyr
seems quite accurate you must well-informed
add stepping on magma and accidentally fishing, leaving you stuck there to lose all DDs because you cant exit the fishing minigame in time
honest charm
©️ Nyaanyaa Mewmew
@mossy zinc you only did like the first 8 or so
everyone else deserves honorable mentions at least
robust zephyr
Because that happened to me and I will never forget it
honest charm
I once had a magma trap spawn on top of me after I started fishing
they should give us fishing invulnerability
mossy zinc
First of all, I did the first 12 up to and including 12b. Second, I did write it. You copying it, changing one, and adding a couple others doesn't change that fact.
robust zephyr
you think they should still sell healing items with LC4
i mean if they removed them it would be positive rng
so that would funnily make high heat easier
mossy zinc
Yeah, healing items should be in the pool.
robust zephyr
those charon wells with three healing items with LC4
though with CF on u cant buy anything anyway
mossy zinc
Only the first slot is healing items or DDs.
mossy zinc
DDs also no longer show up when you have full DDs.
That really helps.
I like rerolling the shop for more healing or DDs.
robust zephyr
I like doing that with RI on
does it let you get keys for fated persuasion if u have it on?
mossy zinc
Yeah, it does now.
robust zephyr
ok thats good
mossy zinc
That's arguably what made our RI4 runs possible. It definitely helped a lot.
Well, I think RI4 is still doable quite a bit higher than we did.
I don't think all weapons are suited for RI4, though.
Actually, maybe.
If you get Stubborn Roots, I think any weapon can work.
robust zephyr
how much does the TD dot deal
mossy zinc
5 damage every second.
wraith imp
"DDs also no longer show up when you have full DDs."
Oh? Good. I made that suggestion a few times in the feedback channel.
robust zephyr
ik the stubborn roots heals 1 every 0.8 sec so it wont help with that
I wish it persisted after encounters
mossy zinc
Yeah, they changed that due to the feedback!
Kiss of Styx: now only offered if you are missing a Death Defiance charge
robust zephyr
Its sad because dem is a really good secondary god to get for status, i tend to get stubborn roots alot by getting dem randomly and gunning for athena
mossy zinc
It still does a whole lot of work over a run when you have no DDs. Carried me through Elysium before on high heat.
I'd pass on it if I have DDs left, unless it's only 1 and my HP is low.
For RI4 it's a no-brainer.
robust zephyr
Well i have no experience with RI4 so im going to talk your word for it
its just a free heal always right
mossy zinc
Yeah, exactly.
mossy zinc
I've no idea, unfortunately.
robust zephyr
If it doesnt rip
mossy zinc
I generally avoid LC4.
robust zephyr
its a free 4 heat with SD, i've been trying to circumvent it everysince i realise how great SD is against it
so far cursed slash and guanyu are other counters to it
mossy zinc
I'm also not a big fan of SD. Just not how I like to play, suiciding to recover HP.
robust zephyr
Yeah if you can keep DD for long enough, its way better for boss fights
autumn sable
Stubborn roots goes through LC4
robust zephyr
Oh yess
autumn sable
The caveat being if they changed that with the most recent patch. But I’d doubt they’d leave it out of the notes if it did
mossy zinc
Mike Shinoda: This is 10% luck, 20% skill . . .
AP2: Hi.
tidal flame
which weapon did you use
honest kernel
rama
tidal flame
also does anyone have an EM3 practice save file?
mossy zinc
That's what FoxHope thought, and he never made it.
tidal flame
Way to kick me when I'm down.
honest kernel
mossy zinc
Well, you're always down there in the lower heats. I'd kick you when you're up for a change, but you'll have to get there first.
honest kernel
I'm gonna upload the run once I make it
mossy zinc
Go get him!
tidal flame
Brb, just need to Crutch my way to 41 heat 
mossy zinc
@tidal flame just get there and you'll have your own save with all the pacts and build you want.
mossy zinc
You only need HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2 to affect the fight, and EM3.
tidal flame
make me a save file, all are forgiven
mossy zinc
I'm actually not sure if HS affects bomb damage, but yeah.
tidal flame
But...
I'm too lazy to make my own. This is your chance to do something nice
mossy zinc
I dunno. How much are you paying?
tidal flame
my eternal* gratitude
mossy zinc
If you want me to work, you gotta pay up. I don't work for free. 
tidal flame
do it for experience and exposure
mossy zinc
And stop getting hit by Boiling Blood.
That will solve your problem.
(It's supposed to distract you.)
tidal flame
Yes and no. To me, the indicator is akin to the screen shake option
If I can turn that off, I hope that I can tone down the Boiling Blood indicator, too.
mossy zinc
You can if you don't get hit by every skull.
tidal flame
Ah I see you are referring to the classic #h1-high-heat-strategies
Just don't get hit 4head
tidal flame
I got a pepperoni pizza today, also.
So it's, like, really good.
cloud kelp
good for you my man
vivid crater
i'm now all 28+! probably going to take a break from this game for a while now (until the next update), thanks for the discussion and advice, see you guys around
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 🥳
bright herald
is the bounty limit of the game really rank 20 ?
forest vortex
@bright herald yes
ashen jasper
do i have to make new save file to turn on hell mode
mossy zinc
Yeah!
primal rune
Hey. does anyone have any tips they can give me for dodging hades spin attack. Still havent had my first kill but i can get to him with every weapon 90% of the time.
cyan stag
First phase: The final boss (spoiler the name or paraphrase) will turn invisible, but you will see the direction and timing of attack from the footprints in the snow. The area of the spin is telegraphed by a white circle before the strike, so you can either get out of the way, or time the dash for invincibility.
Second phase: The boss attacks with a clearly visible multi-hit combo instead, so move to the side during the wind-up.
primal rune
hey so when do the iframe start when you dodge on a non-athena dash?
mossy zinc
Divine Dash doesn't give you any extra i-frames.
primal rune
oh it doesnt? i was under the inpression that it does
vale steppe
Yeah but you are invincible during the deflection so...
mossy zinc
No, you're not invincible. Deflected attacks won't hit you, but that's different.
The spin-attack can't be deflected.
tidal flame
But Deflect is practically i frames save for some special moves.
primal rune
on a side note. i cant seem to i frame through attacks. is this not a thing for this game? (sorry just bought the game like 3 days ago)
tidal flame
Yes you can I frames through everything
mossy zinc
You need to deflect attacks before they would hit you to not get hit. Otherwise you'll just get smacked in the face whether deflect is up or not.
cyan stag
The i-frame period is hard to describe. Visually I'd say when Zag is completely enveloped by the fiery flash, but the timing can't be properly conveyed with words.
tidal flame
Someone should mention the dash strike i frame removal
mossy zinc
Yeah, dash i-frames aren't immediate. There's some startup.
You could be the one explaining that.
Call and summon i-frames are immediate.
tidal flame
I'm on phone T.T
mossy zinc
Same I'm walking to the mall lol.
primal rune
Noticed that the iframe arent immediate from my 40 runs. I think their about a .5 second wind up.
primal rune
probabaly im guessing about .1 to .5
hard to tell depending on what kind of dash is being used.
mossy zinc
Dashes all have the same i-frames.
primal rune
anyway. is there a good direction to dodge the final bosses spin attack?
tidal flame
No xD
mossy zinc
A dash-strike will cancel your I-frames.
tidal flame
It's a circular swipe
light sedge
@primal rune the boss will draw a thin white circle prior to spinning, try to use that to time your dash. Also, don’t attack while dashing
mossy zinc
That can get you out of range more easily.
primal rune
wait does dash strike cancel the entire dash's iframes?
mossy zinc
I wrote down a bunch of tips for the fight here. See if that helps any. Hades has three attacks for most of the fight: a thrust, the skull throw, and a spin-attack. If you have at least two dashes, you can i-frame the thrust and the skull throw easily by dashing to the side or through him when you see him start up any attack at all, and if you see while you dash that it's a spin-attack, you can do a second dash to get out of range or ideally time the second dash to i-frame it. If you dash backwards, though, the thrust and the skull throw will hit you.
During his first life, he'll often go invincible and do any of those three attacks immediately when he comes out of invinciblity. Watch his footsteps in the snow, and evade the attacks just like before and immediately when you see him come out of invinciblity.
After he does the spin-attack, he'll always take some time to recover before doing another action. You can go in and do some heavy damage in that time.
In addition to dashes, you can use your lesser calls to i-frame his attacks similarly. All calls give you invulnerability for a moment immediately upon activation. Greater Calls work, too, but you'll get to use the invulnerability only 1 time instead of 4 times, so I usually avoid getting a Greater Call in the fight.
light sedge
It also helps if you dash in an opposite direction of the boss lunges
@primal rune yes
tidal flame
Stupid Discord copied the text instead of the link lol.
Not sure who is the one here 👀
primal rune
wow.... why was this never said anywhere in the game. I always dash strike thinking that it give the iframes and then does an attack. here i was think i just suck
tidal flame
I mean i frame dashing wasn't mentioned either.
light sedge
The thing about dash striking is that you can dash and then press attack at the end and it will still process a dash attack
So that’s some neat tech for you to try out
Attacks cancel dash I frames so you can’t mindlessly spam attacks while being invincible
primal rune
i mean the iframes i just assume since i could do it some of the time.
i mean iframe are one of the fifrst things i checked
tidal flame
You can still have i frames with dash striking
light sedge
You still get iframes, but they cancel as soon as you attack
primal rune
ahhh. so striking at the end works.
i thought dash strike was something you queued up in the middle of the dash and the trade off was that if it was a bad dash you would have to commit.
light sedge
There’s a lot more to play with than meets the eye
You can be slow and methodical about it so that you can sill dash properly
Or you canister dash attack spam everything to death
The latter doesn’t help much against bosses because hey can eat the damage
cyan stag
What helps learning the timing is choosing Hunter Dash. After dashing, you will have a small green GFX, and inputting an attack will result in a dash-strike. After the green effect disappears, you attack like normal.
primal rune
yeah i tried against a dash triple attack for the spear and it just made me die harder. now i know why
thanks guys. learned a new mech. about the dashing this will help for the melee weapons and boss fights
tidal flame
Good luck!
primal rune
thanks. after about 40 runs of being unable to kill the bearded fool. i feel like i can do it now.
tidal flame
You had it in you
mossy zinc
canister dash attack spam
primal rune
btw what is canister dash attack spam?
mossy zinc
I don't know. Ask @light sedge.
vale steppe
No, you're not invincible. Deflected attacks won't hit you, but that's different.
@mossy zinc
I would see hades and Minotaurs spin and swings getting deflected, maybe it only deflects those attacks during normal i frame?
light sedge
That was a typo, mb
I don’t remember what I was trying to say lol
Darn autocorrect
mossy zinc
Maybe in an old version. EM Asterius spin, Theseus spin, and Hades spin are undeflectable.
cyan stag
What about ||Charon paddle||?
zinc gazelle
has anyone seen the Assault Chaos boon?
I've done numerous runs after it was added but can't seem to get it, even after blowing through dozens of rerolls
cyan stag
I have definitely seen it during the beta. I didn't pay much attention afterwards.
mossy zinc
@cyan stag you can deflect the paddle.
Haven't practiced the fight really, though. But you can deflect that. Those purple waves aren't deflectable.
cloud kelp
how to dodge big hades laser with no cover or shield
mossy zinc
For the triple-beam, just get behind him and do some damage. For the omni-beams, you can get behind one of the two rocks/pillars that don't get destroyed, you can stand right on top of him and hack away at him (he won't hit you there), or you can keep your distance and run along between the beams.
What I do most of the time is get on top of him and hack away.
If you're late, you can use a call for i-frames and use that time to get on top of him.
Sometimes there'll be green urns and skulls in bad places, and you'll be taking big damage no matter what you do except you can sometimes try to i-frame at just the right moment to evade multiple of the attacks at once.
But that's not always possible.
So the best you can do is to kill skulls asap to not be put in that situation, take out green urns in key positions asap to avoid that situation, or . . . just take the hit that deals the least damage (normally the skull shockwave!).
I also try to kite him immediately into the area that is free from green urns. There's always some area on the map that gives you a lot of space to freely maneuver enough to i-frame stuff without having to deal with the green urn traps.
And if he does spin attack after the triple dash, he will always destroy any urns in the AOE (I think for the normal spin that doesn't happen? not sure!).
So I try to kite him into breaking multiple urns when he does that!
He will even take damage from the urn traps himself.
It's hard to isolate just one attack from him, because his beams, spins, and urns all interact in that phase.
Gotta focus on the big picture.
If you only look at beams and think "get on top of him for beams" or "get behind pillars for beams", then you'll be in trouble when there's a trap there or when there are skulls around that are about to go off.
You can also get behind a pillar if there is a trap and i-frame the trap with a call. But I would not rely on that unless I just really screwed up and have no other option.
Then it's more like a Hail Mary call and hope you timed it right lol.
I actually like to always use my 1 Lesser call for i-frames unless I know I can zerg him down now. But even then, I'll often play it safe. Overconfidence easily leads a DD loss (or SD, which hurts even more!).
With Second Wind and Smoldering Air, I use the call as much as possible.
@hallow stream are you around?
I was just thinking, I should compile that + the other stuff I've written for the fight, and get together with you and add more stuff for the fight. I think that would be very valuable both for us (because we're actually putting everything down in writing and analyzing it that way) and for a lot of people wanting to learn the fight.
With some added notes for 2 dash vs 1 dash at the very least, perhaps. But first of all any general strategy that applies either way.
severe vector
Does Hades sometimes dash away before he does the 360 beam?
mossy zinc
Errr . . . no, I don't think so. He has a very obvious tell where he's like flourishing his bident kind of when he does it, anyway.
Most important thing in the fight, when Hades is not invisible, always keep an eye on him unless you have some distance.
severe vector
Ah okay I must have mixed up some mechanic
mossy zinc
You'll also hear an obvious sound that goes up in pitch when he's about to do the beams.
severe vector
I think if I can get super confident on those beams at max FO I can stop using spear tip and maybe use acorn for Styx
fallow stream
There is no real trick to snakestones other than killing them as fast as you can, and just making sure you loop behind them as the sound for their laser fire begins
mossy zinc
They are so much less of a problem now that Bruiser has been nerfed. Very happy about that. But, I'm pretty sure their beams focus on you faster now. Doesn't seem to be as fast as they were at one point in the beta, though? Or maybe I've just been lucky and haven't seen any Speeder Snakestones lately.
glacial saffron
Ok i just got the ||hidden aspect of the shield and the gun|| but i have no idea who i got them from
What you're supposed to say to the weapons i mean
light sedge
It’s probably because you skipped through the text when picking up boons
There is a pinned message in the spoiler channel about how to unlock them
glacial saffron
I rarely skip text well never mind
mossy zinc
You don't actually need to spoiler-tag anything in this channel, but you are certainly free to do so!
tidal flame
Really? Did you know that Batman is Bruce Wayne?
mossy zinc
@fallow stream have you tried Rush Kick with Divine Flourish at all? I've used that in a couple recent runs, and it was honestly a lot of fun.
The Rush Kick hitbox is so wide, you can Deflect all the shots from Spreaders while zooming in and kicking them all in one Special!
But it takes a little bit of practice to time consistently. It seems very viable, though.
Plus, you can still pick up Explosive Upper, too.
Without Explosive Upper, your Dash-Rush-Kick will combo from Dash-Strikes, so you're not really losing out. And if the Dash-Strike kills, you can use the Dash-Rush-Kick to immediately zoom towards the next enemy.
I thought it was just alright before, but Divine Flourish makes it a lot better, in my experience.
daring hedge
i've never been much of a rush kick fan myself, but i'll admit that this angle has me more interested
mossy zinc
It was a bit of happy accident getting those two and just trying out how they interact.
hallow stream
@mossy zinc I'm around why have I been summoned
mossy zinc
I was thinking that I should compile all the strategy I wrote down for Hades above + what I wrote a few days ago, then go over that with you and add more things to it. Just mainly general strategies that work for every weapon.
Could be useful for us, but also especially a useful resource for people wanting to learn the fight.
daring hedge
damn, my very first 42 hades aspect attempt of the day with explosive launcher was going very well until i forgot to top off my SD before the champs and wasted acorn too fast from getting greedy
also didn't get to see pat 
tidal flame
I am sorry to hear that
my last reward farm at 23 heat with Zag Bow also ended with me dying to TD2 timer and 5sack.
30s on timer for Hades, got him to 25% before dying zzz
autumn sable
patty has also forsaken me on today's runs
honest kernel
are 40+ runs usually making use of pat? I always feel cheap when I use him
primal rune
Welp i just learned a way to completely stop enemies from moveing at all. Didnt even know it was possible. Demeter Special + Explosive fire + Triple Bomb = no movement
autumn sable
yes
meager wharf
Hey, I am just trying my first 32 heat runs, I got to 16 with fists and gun and atleast 10 with all other weapons. Any tips for what to do for someone attempting high heat first time ? Mirror talents ? Which pacts to use ?
I know its a loaded question
honest kernel
I know I just always feel like I wanna perform well like not using up my DD too early haha
tall hedge
my first 32 heat run was with the shield
mossy zinc
Why wouldn't you pick the best deck and play the best cards in it?
mossy zinc
I dunno, FGC mindset is "pick top tier" for most. 😅
honest kernel
I meant more like performing well/making no mistakes ect
meager wharf
true FGC mindset is "your internet is so bad I cant do my combos you high tier spammer"
honest kernel
but theres no audience here
mossy zinc
Nah, you make mistakes that somehow win you the game and tell everyone "I meant to do that."
@meager wharf hey! I actually recommend you try out your own pact combos! Almost all 32+ runs use TD2, so that's a good starting point. But you don't have to use that!
meager wharf
I am scared of tight deadline
I have lost a few runs to bad styx rng
but I might give it a shot I finish fist runs pretty fast
honest kernel
I am running 40 without tight deadline rn you dont have to do it
meager wharf
I was just thinking it would maybe be bad because on high heat you need to play more safe ?
honest kernel
but 32 TD1 is kinda free usually
mossy zinc
Trying out different pact combos will give you experience with all of them.
meager wharf
Yeah I heard people run the regenerating death defience on high heat
is that a norm
or just prefference
I tried 1 32 heat run
and the fury sisters destroyed me
mossy zinc
And you'll see which ones give you the most trouble, where you might wanna change the pacts to better suit your build or where you'd rather change your build to suit your pacts, etc.
meager wharf
I see
so there is no set formula just experiment
to see what works for you
Will do that
mossy zinc
Stubborn Defiance is mainly for when people run LC4 or sometimes for LC3.
Because it circumvents the lack of healing.
mossy zinc
But some people swear by it either way.
meager wharf
Also
mossy zinc
1 point in LC doesn't hurt very much in my experience.
meager wharf
I see some people do rng manipulation with what you get in the first room
how does that exactly work
I usually exit out and pick a weapon based on what the first boon gives me
But I heard there is a way to permanetley manipulate it when you exit out
idk if I just misunderstood something or what
mossy zinc
They backup the save file from a good seed.
honest kernel
you basicially just reset until u get the thing you want
mossy zinc
Well.
honest kernel
and once you have the thing you can try the run over and over by giving up before you die
mossy zinc
If you "give up" a run, even up to when Zagreus is already dying, it will reset you right to before you started the run.
meager wharf
Also any tips vs thesius and asterious
I always have the most trouble against them
like hades is 2x easier for me
mossy zinc
So you lose all your meta progress, but you can do the same seed again.
meager wharf
Yeah thats what I have been doing
but only for the first room
If I am like "I want to do a cast build"
honest kernel
it only works for the first room casually
honest kernel
ye
meager wharf
or if I am like
mossy zinc
I never do that personally. But that's just me.
meager wharf
"Okay I wanted demeter cast but got demeter attack epic maybe I should do fists instead"
or something like that
meager wharf
I have mixed feeling about persuasion
At times it feels super good
but at times I feel like not being able to reroll rooms
locks me out of duo boons
mossy zinc
I just use the weapon I'm most comfortable with or feel like playing for high heat and keep trying until I make it lol.
meager wharf
Makes sense I guess
mossy zinc
Getting a lot of different seeds can teach you a lot about your aspect and potential builds.
meager wharf
Yeah fists and gun are the most fun for me personally
Spear is my least favorite although all my friends love it
I think I am just bad with using it
honest kernel
games cool bc every weapon has at least one good aspect
honest kernel
like I hate fists but people do some mad stuff with them
honest kernel
it got some bloodprice updates now ye
tall hedge
not anymore i think??
meager wharf
oh
tall hedge
i dont know
daring hedge
You can reroll with approval process active
tall hedge
you cant unless you have the fated keys upgrade
daring hedge
But don't start with charges
meager wharf
I see but the only way to change between fated persuasion and authority
is to change them up before you apply routine inspection ?
daring hedge
Yes
tall hedge
switch before you apply routine inspection
meager wharf
Might post some feedback for that later feels like that could use a quality of life change
but might just be me
mighty geyser
what counts as "high heat"?
meager wharf
F first run I died because I couldnt kill tisiphone on time
tight deadline ran out and I died
daring hedge
@mighty geyser good question, which I can only really answer as rather subjective depending on the player. Though many of us hanging around here tend see "high heat" as decently above 32, usually. Around 40, give or take some levels
It just kind of varies
mighty geyser
Thanks! Yeah it can def. be a challenge (when is a man bald?) but that's a big help for someone new to the discord
daring hedge
Of course! And if you're unsure about if what you have to say pertains to "high heat", definitely don't worry about it. We're not here to gatekeep by any means, and discussion here is rather flexible
mossy zinc
@meager wharf I posted feedback for that, but probably doesn't hurt to mention it again.
meager wharf
oh wasn't active for a week or two on the discord so probbably didn't see if you posted it then
But if I find it by scrolling up later
will make sure to upvote
or just repost
mossy zinc
I think it was awhile back during the beta.
meager wharf
Okay I posted again then !
primal rune
Hey any high heat runners know how the boon rarity rolling mechanics work? Is the probability for rolling a rare vs epic independent or does it go. Roll a rare check if it succeeds then roll a epic check.
mossy zinc
I'm very sure it rolls epic before rare. I think @torn vapor explained it to me once?
torn vapor
I don't know about that. My apologies.
mossy zinc
Then it wasn't you. 😅
primal rune
hmmm i cant seem to find this info anywhere.
mossy zinc
I'm very sure I've seen the info before somewhere on this server.
tidal flame
Link can be found via a quick search in #self-promotion
primal rune
oh wow. didnt even know that this game already had a modding community. it is still in beta lol.
mossy zinc
Early Access, not beta. But yeah.
tidal flame
We use to have a beta for early access
tidal flame
Did you die due to TD in Asphodel?
meager wharf
Yes
Before at the fury sisters
this time at lernie
Being put on a timer I guess just isnt my playstyle
since i play super slow
when I am at low health
tidal flame
I see
mossy zinc
Hum. Have you played TD2 before on lower heat and made it?
mossy zinc
I see.
tidal flame
Do you know how to pause timer to stop TD?
mossy zinc
20 min is basically a TD2 time.
meager wharf
But yeah it might just be because I have maxed out routine inspection
tidal flame
How much heat are you on? Wow...
meager wharf
32
mossy zinc
I can tell you that RI4 is generally considered the most difficult option. 😅
mossy zinc
There have been exactly 3 clears on 32+ with RI4. One of them by me.
tidal flame
I'm sure people can definitely help with not going RI4 on 32 heat.
meager wharf
I will send a picture maybe you guys can tell me what I should change
I am horrible at picking pacts as I said
wait
why is it that
wrong one
Oh nvm
It was routine inspection 3
my bad
tidal flame
I am horrible at picking pacts as I said
Nope, just personal preference. So there is no wrong option, just painful ones xD
mossy zinc
Oof. I would take points off LC and Convenience Fee. There's no need for LC3 this low.
Er.
"Low".
Ahem.
LC1 or LC2 at most is plenty.
meager wharf
Idk hard labor seems kind of scary to me
meager wharf
benefits package is mostly ok for me except a few instances where it feels like hell
mossy zinc
Well.
daring hedge
just putting one or two levels into it is barely noticeable, a lot of the time
mossy zinc
You are in Hell lol.
daring hedge
HL5 is brutal most of the time, though, if you get hit by things that aren't numbskulls
mossy zinc
I feel like HL3 is a sweet spot.
tidal flame
Pick Underworld Customs so you can remove Approval Process
tidal flame
I would also go max FO but that's entirely up to you :D
daring hedge
yeah, CF2 can hurt especially if you don't need to put heat there
meager wharf
Okay maybe I found a better one now
mossy zinc
And you have a bit more room for error to buy healing or DDs.
tidal flame
Yeah that looks more manageable, at least if I were playing the game.
meager wharf
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511150303022678020/729090666810048542/unknown.png I will experiment with this for now and see what I want to change
tidal flame
Good luck!
meager wharf
Thanks
mossy zinc
Keep in mind, all of these are our own experiences we made just by trying all kinds of terrible combos ourselves before we found ones that worked for us lol.
And there's quite a bit of variety in what we pick.
meager wharf
Yeah I would imagine
the choices differ based on weapon too
Even if I went just 1 heat up like 33
mossy zinc
For example, a lot of the players here pick LC4 a lot on 40+.
meager wharf
I think I would change more than one thing
mossy zinc
Which I avoid like the plague lol.
daring hedge
yeah, a lot of us pushing 40+ will sometimes try out new configs we hadn't considered before, and it can turn out that they work well for what we're doing
mossy zinc
I'd rather deal with JS3 CP2 BP2 on TD2 than LC4.
daring hedge
i only recently started doing LC4, strictly with SD active lol
mossy zinc
Check my DPS all you want, but let me heal! lol
tidal flame
Pick DD and die at hallway fights, pick SD and die at bossfights. The duality of life in Hades.
daring hedge
truly the struggle
autumn sable
Even dropping BP completely in favor of JS and CP can be viable with certain builds. Even preferable sometimes.
meager wharf
Also another quick question
mossy zinc
I've definitely spent a lot of time theorizing about the perfect build and perfect pact setup for what I'm trying when I was away from the game, and then when I try it it's absolutely terrible lol.
daring hedge
not as much as we used to
mossy zinc
Yeah but no.
autumn sable
Sometimes
daring hedge
used to be a no-brainer. now, not quite as clear cut
meager wharf
Yeah I have noticed you dont get as much good stuff since this update
mossy zinc
Saves a ton of time in Elysium usually.
mossy zinc
But you can also get +70% enemies in the next 4 encounters lol.
autumn sable
I will go through chaos gates in Elysium to buy time. Almost every time if it’s available
tidal flame
I'm a dummy and read Erebus gate. No I don't trust Chaos on anything 25+ Heat.
mossy zinc
I'll say that I've seen way more confidence in entering Erebus from Tartarus and sometimes Asphodel from everyone who plays high heat.
daring hedge
the real question is: do we fight charon at high heat? and the real answer to that is: absolutely NOT
autumn sable
It’s a worthwhile risk. Chaos curse vs TD at boss.
mossy zinc
Than you see from people doing lower heat. They tend to avoid the risk.
tidal flame
Charon 2 shot you with SD lol
mossy zinc
But we want the value.
tidal flame
First shot to kill 1st SD
autumn sable
Not with AP2 though. Chaos is pretty much a never event
tidal flame
2nd shot to send you back to Hypnos
mossy zinc
@daring hedge would you fight him with Blizzard Shot?
daring hedge
yeah, like, no matter how confident i am with a build during high heat, i'm not gonna fight charon for a potential slight boost at the very high risk of losing it all
hmm, maybe in tartarus, which would be hard to coordinate
elysium, definitely no just because of TD2
tidal flame
You get 167 effective gold from Charon of you borrow on CF2
mossy zinc
Actually real suggestion. For something like Blizzard Shot it might work out.
tidal flame
So like, not worth it
mossy zinc
He also lowers all prices, and the gold you get is affected by any +% obols buffs you have.
daring hedge
yeah, it's safe and pretty good. though without cast buffs, because of the shard damage being halved, it mostly just feels "pretty good" rather than great at base now
mossy zinc
I could see Charon on 40+ being viable for at least certain builds.
autumn sable
He’d be more viable if you could pick the room you’re exiting
daring hedge
and if he didn't let TD timer run
that's still such a cherry on top of the difficult cake there
autumn sable
Potentially if you have high enough DPS he’d act like a mini boss room in Elysium which can be faster than normal rooms
And you can chain him into another miniboss
Skipping a few normal rooms completely
It’s a big, fat if though
daring hedge
wait, so his encounter does take the spot of one following the shop?
autumn sable
Yeah
daring hedge
i never was sure about that
autumn sable
I’ve had an Asphodel that was only 2 normal rooms
But I think generally speaking, if you have enough dps to fight Charon and save time, you probably have enough dps to clear the biome without much trouble
Too bad Acorn no longer works on Charon. It would probably push my decision more often in that direction
tidal flame
Yup, I totally understand what's going here
mossy zinc
A lot of Numbskulls with a Hangover. Lord Dionysus must be upset he wasn't invited.
autumn sable
Rama bow with Demeter special is surprisingly viable at 40+
severe vector
How does that work? Just to apply chill or is it for Arctic blast
autumn sable
For chill specifically
I don’t know how the slowdown of chill interacts with FO2 but it seems like a strong counter
And the speed reduction can make avoiding taking unnecessary damage quite welcome.
Seeing other people use Demeter tipped me off that the utility may be overlooked for its relatively low damage
fallow stream
The damage is on par with other boons.
Demeter is excellent, and surpasses many other boons in terms of damage if you get her support boons for strike/special
I personally like Demeter attack/Athena dash for fists
Killing freeze is also a boss destroyer, and miniboss killer as well
And for cast builds, snow burst is solid
Also scales incredibly well with poms
daring hedge
demeter's chill was definitely welcome for the serrated edge hades aspect 41
3 stacks per dash-strike was really nice
autumn sable
Yeah that’s when I noticed it the most. Especially in boss fights. Looked like slow-mo
I didn’t realize that chill affected enemy projectiles too. Or at least it seemed that way
autumn sable
I noticed it most of wavemakers. Probably only cause I was using Rama where I can keep some distance
severe vector
how does strong drink work with fountain and LC?
is strong drink just +100% healing and then -LC%?
tidal flame
You don't heal
severe vector
sorry i meant at non max LC. because the fountain healed me for a LOT but just not quite to full lol
tidal flame
Oh then I don't know, sorry
mossy zinc
Hmm that's a good question. with LC1, either it will heal you to 75% of your max HP, or it will heal you for 75% of your max HP.
Probably the latter? Otherwise you'd be nerfing the healing, potentially.
daring hedge
i swear i've had a run with some amount of LC active, and strong drink's "heal to full" stayed true and did heal me entirely despite LC
but that may have been an older patch
or somewhere in beta
mossy zinc
Yeah, I'm actually pretty sure I healed to full in Hell Mode, and that always has LC1 active.
Now that you mention it.
daring hedge
it was definitely a nice surprise, and made me remember it happening pretty vividly
mossy zinc
But if it heals for 75% with LC1, that could still heal to max, and you wouldn't notice the difference.
If you had 25% or more HP.
severe vector
i had LC2 and really low hp after elysium boss, then strong drink healed me to around 85-90%
tidal flame
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mossy zinc
No, I think cheats disqualify you.
frail crane
Y'know
tidal flame
It's 100% joke 😐
frail crane
for a moment it actually looked 100% legit
then I realized
wait
that's more than 6 dashes
mossy zinc
But if you need it, go ahead.
fallow stream
I will confirm that strong drink does not heal to full with any LC active.
It will heal the percentage of your max hp that corresponds to your LC level.
Sometimes it's enough to fill you up, sometimes it's not
mossy zinc
Cool. Thanks!
mossy zinc
I found the winning strat for no-TD max heat.
Stubborn Roots, Poseidon's Aid, and Quick Favor.
And I guess Heroic Greatest Reflex.
Just keep running away until you get a Greater Call, then use that, then run away again.
tidal flame
How do you survive until you get that though 👀
honest kernel
I run LC2 and strong drink always healed me full so far
but maybe it was always just enough for me :p
subtle plaza
hey guys, for 32 heat run, whats your preferred starter keepsake?
im always on the fence between a god's keep to force a build
or hermes dodge keep
mossy zinc
Depends on weapon aspect.
subtle plaza
arthur
mossy zinc
Probably Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike or Flourish.
subtle plaza
so forcing a build >> stacking early stats
tidal flame
What stats do you even stack?
tidal flame
Oh no no no
tidal flame
You kinda need Acorn for Styx
subtle plaza
You kinda need Acorn for Styx
@tidal flame ye
tidal flame
So stacking means nothing if you change keepsakes
subtle plaza
but it helps vs T&A on EM3
tidal flame
Just Acorn x2 man
mossy zinc
Manthro puts the Lambent Plume to very good use on high heat, but that's with Zag Aspect of Malphon to max out Dodge. But it should be viable on other aspects, too.
tidal flame
Acorns resets after each biome, in case you didn't know.
subtle plaza
yall take acorn for elysium?
mossy zinc
Yeah, most of the time.
subtle plaza
hmm never thought of taking acorn for T&A too
kinda treated elysium the last place to stack or force builds with god's keeps
tidal flame
I mean if you are a bossfight god, then erm do whatever you want
Myself and most people in this channel choke at bosses
So Acorn is good from Elysium onward.
subtle plaza
i agree acorn on styx is a must
kinda sucks tho that the other things are less powerfull and youre kinda forced into acron meta on final boss
mossy zinc
Losing a DD to a boss sucks even if you win.
Lucky Tooth and Chthonic Coin Purse are legit options in Elysium, too, if you screwed up before and need something to carry you to some Wells or Patroclus.
tidal flame
I mean on lower heat just do whatever, I facetanked Hades often and regularly on low heat, which is terrible practice but oh well
If you do 25+ then well, you are kinda asking for it...
mossy zinc
Because!
mossy zinc
You can upload it to imgur or something and link it.
subtle plaza
mossy zinc
Might wanna think twice about that Heightened Security.
subtle plaza
fo real?
subtle plaza
i always took it and thought its one of the easiest pacts lol
tidal flame
Depends on weapon
mossy zinc
I watched a 32-heat run earlier that took hits from 4 guillotines in Styx in one chamber without Heightened Security. That was only 120 damage.
With HS, that's 600 damage.
tidal flame
On non Hestia rail or fists it's free
mossy zinc
That's a run ender lol.
tidal flame
But on slow attacking weapon like Arthur or Bow it's p yikes
You can take AP1 and DC0
subtle plaza
thx didint think of that
tidal flame
DC2 though?
subtle plaza
i dont like AP
subtle plaza
well i need 2 more heat rn
mossy zinc
What are your pacts now?
tidal flame
Honestly max HL solves most of your problems
mossy zinc
Yeah, a couple points in HL probably.
mossy zinc
woman*
tidal flame
Don't sweat it
mossy zinc
Hey, you have Excalibur. You'll be fine.
tidal flame
HL5 is a way of life
mossy zinc
Then just do some runs and adjust based on what you've noticed if it doesn't work out immediately (which it didn't for most of us).
subtle plaza
id rather JS2 CP2
tidal flame
I mean TD2 is a thing...
mossy zinc
Then try that lol.
tidal flame
So JS0 CP0
mossy zinc
HL3 is a sweet spot, in my opinion.
tidal flame
And you have 1 extra point, too
subtle plaza
I mean TD2 is a thing...
@tidal flame not with arthur and not for me... im not a fast player yet
mossy zinc
Oh you have TD1. I didn't notice lol.
subtle plaza
yes thats probably the right thing to do
ill try more mobs and more beffy bois
rather than more dmg
see how it goes
got me fat blade for dem beffy CP2 bois
mossy zinc
Good luck!
I've seen somebody beat 32 first try today. And they used one hand. No pressure!
meager wharf
Wow
thats impressive
When I hear feats like that I always get depressed thinking I am bad at video games
honest kernel
I died as soon as I unpaused 
meager wharf
honest kernel
I think I need to practice hades again
honest kernel
either that or u can get save files right before him
honest kernel
you'll get further soon 😎
meager wharf
Thanks
mossy zinc
Practicing vs Maxy will make you a lot more comfortable in the fight on any heat.
bright crescent
who
bright crescent
oh
mossy zinc
It's the community nickname for him. Everybody calls him that.
mossy zinc
Maxy.
bright crescent
you can complete the joke yourself
honest kernel
im really bad at i framing the spin and I feel like I used to be a lot better at it
but maybe slow effects change the timing a bit? I can't tell
mossy zinc
bright crescent
yeah i traded my ability to avoid the casts with the ability to avoid the spin
ive been getting hit by casts way more now
also fo2 em alecto is crazy for me now, i keep losing tons of health to her beyblades because i underestimate them
cyan stag
Zag returning faster means more time to inspect his private chambers.
mossy zinc
...
cyan stag
It IS a win-win situation for her if she succeeds: More quality time with Zagreus, less criticism from the Big Boss, and last but not least personal and professional satisfaction.
mossy zinc
@hallow stream so why did you ask me yesterday why I pinged you, and then just bounced when I told you. 😂
glacial saffron
I finally beat the game on 32 heat god that was hard
honest kernel
great job
meager wharf
Grats !
Okay I am definitely seeing more sucess
with 0 points into routine inspection
But I don't think I can handle tight deadline 2
in elysium
acoustic hare
Do you even do Erebus on high Heat? I feel like it's too hard to justify the reward you get from it.
hallow stream
@mossy zinc oh missed it sry. I'm down. Just ding me
although unfortunately lots of points are better illustrated through video
glacial saffron
@acoustic hare i recommend it if you dont have jury summons or tight deadline
acoustic hare
It's pretty hard to not have Jury Summons on 32 Heat
glacial saffron
F
mossy zinc
@acoustic hare we use Erebus a lot on high heat from Tartarus if the reward is something we want. You always get high rarity boons or double hearts/poms. That's a ton of free value for 1 chamber.
If you can get the reward more than half the time, it's already worth it.
@meager wharf TD2 in Elysium is a problem for everyone on high heat. It's not just you.
It's a DPS check.
So you gotta do your best to get a build before Elysium that has the DOS to make it through consistently.
Rather than make it through Tartarus and Asphodel as fast as possible, think about how you can min-max your time there to prepare you as much as possible for Elysium.
Obol troves are one option a lot of people overlook because they're afraid. But ~120 obols each from two troves helps you buy boons and poms to get your DPS up or gives you some more freedom to buy healing and still buy boons.
Darkness troves and healing troves for healing, so you don't need to spend money on that or unnecessarily lose a DD early that you have to buy back.
mossy zinc
And look at your build and how you can focus it to get more DPS more consistently.
meager wharf
Like I finish Asphodel with 1 min left most of the time
I see
Maybe I focused too much on getting good defense
mossy zinc
You don't need Divine Dash.
Anyway.
Once you decide on the 1 core boon for your build, think about what Duo Boons will best support it.
Look at boon charts, and think about what boons to avoid to get the t2 boons that you want.
E.g., if Support Fire is of high value to your build, then getting Hunter Dash will unlock that without opening the entire t2 crit pool.
Whereas if you pick Deadly Flourish, it will open Support Fire and all the t2 crit boons.
Meaning you'll make it harder to get the Support Fire that you want.
Similarly, if you want Hunter Dash for that exact reason but want to avoid the crit core boons, then it's important to fill those core slots with something else to greatly increase the odds of getting Hunter Dash offered instead of all those crit core boons.
meager wharf
I see
I finally got a run with decent dps in elysium
and I think this is going well
Fists with athena dash and ares attack
and the duo
mossy zinc
Nice! Go go!
meager wharf
Now I just need a nice call
mossy zinc
That will solve all the DPS issues.
Try to get Dionysus' Aid if he's shown up in your seed.
For DPS.
mossy zinc
Athena's Aid is a good option, too.
meager wharf
I had aphrodite but I had to sell it
acoustic hare
If you can get the reward more than half the time, it's already worth it.
The problem is "to get the reward." Normal Tartarus is still too overwhelming for me, thanks. I've never even faced Lernie on 32 yet, Lol.
Lost 2 DDs at Meg again. Feels good, feels good.
Although I feel like I'm slowly starting to improve. For example, I only got hit twice by her circles.
Lost another one to speedy slam-dancers. Feels fun.
tidal flame
On 32+ runs the Furies are by no means a pushover (maybe except for Tis, she is free).
meager wharf
😮
I did it !
I beat 32 heat
@mossy zinc
Thank you so much for the tips !
I feel so acomplished
Oh maybe wrong channel to post this ups, but I will change it next time
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
meager wharf
thank you !
mossy zinc
although unfortunately lots of points are better illustrated through video
Yeah, but they can already watch our videos to see the strategies in action. A write-up will be good to explain what they're seeing if they choose to watch, and just generally a lot of people prefer text.
@hallow stream
bright crescent
@meager wharf howd you get two sd slots
tidal flame
Ah yes
If you lose your SD in a room and then receive Athena DD as boon, you get an extra DD
bright crescent
tidal flame
So you have Athena DD in slot 1, SD in slot 2
It does not work if you haven't lost your SD
In which case you would still have SD only.
bright crescent
interesting...
imagine having a chaos legendary
this meme made by sd athena gang
tidal flame
The word Replenish is key here. Need to lose some to replenish it.
bright crescent
still, trying to go for it sounds pretty messed up
tidal flame
Yeah to me it's a semi bug. It encourages you to die to get benefit
bright crescent
sounds like the kinda thing you get accidentally
tidal flame
Iirc the dev did not intend this, but now they knew and left it in so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
meager wharf
Yeah I lost my sd and then got athena boon
Didn't even know it was a thing until that run
but it saved the run for me
that was like extra 200 health
for the hades fight
mossy zinc
What's this about Hestia changes I keep reading about?
mossy zinc
E.g., "Revert the reload on Hestia please. I need my main weapon back."
tidal flame
👀 SGG please don't take Hestia away from me.
fickle mirage
Some people are apparently experiencing some reload issues since the Blood Price launched? I was really bad with it before so I couldn't quite feel the difference.
fickle mirage
Yeah, it's like... not affecting Everyone, but it's been a consistent report.
Has been since patch day, but again, I either don't have it happening to my file or I'm just really as bad with it as I think I am.
mossy zinc
It could be both.
fickle mirage
PROBABLY both
tidal flame
I mean sometimes reload seems buggy, but I think that's more of me missing an input than something wrong with the game.
mossy zinc
If it seems "buggier" now than it used to, and it happens to a lot of people, they may have changed the buffer window for it.
tidal flame
I think dashing has something to do with it
mossy zinc
I'm assuming what you mean is that you press Reload, but it doesn't Reload.
tidal flame
Yeah
mossy zinc
Yeah, if that happens more now to a lot of people, they've probably shortened the buffer window from a dash.
tidal flame
I made some playstyle adjustments later on so the issue seems to disappear.
Ever since I run Hunter Dash Doom, I am more conscious of my shots and reload to make sure every shot is a dash strike.
mossy zinc
Still trying 40 or whatever it was with it?
fallow stream
Whenever I run the rail, I change my reload button to L1 instead of RS.
It just flows better
tidal flame
samesies
Still trying 40 or whatever it was with it?
I failed 3 42 runs at Hades so zzz
mossy zinc
Why don't you turn it down to 40 for now and just clear that? 2 points off HL will help a lot with that fight.
Or 2 points off literally anything else.
mossy zinc
So you really just want to clear 1 heat higher than me lol.
tidal flame
it's a joke
but 2 heat is RI1
you don't need boons on Hestis except for 2 Doom and Hunter Dash
RI1 doesn
hurt
mossy zinc
So take 2 off something you think does hurt.
But.
That wouldn't be 1 higher than me.
tidal flame
I mean I am close