I have not seen a fishing spot yet in chaos and im mad 
#h1-high-heat-strategies
warm fog
daring hedge
i would not forgive myself if i did that fox
mossy zinc
@zinc scarab I'm sorry, I couldn't read your message. Getting some lag here.
daring hedge
answer the question nyaa 🎙️
zinc scarab
You constantly say how much you love Aphrodite
But also are always and aggressively hunting for Athena
isn't Athena your true god?
tidal flame
👀
mossy zinc
Yeah, it's . . . it's just cutting out. I'm gonna hang up now. Take care!
mossy zinc
I'll actually pick Lady Aphrodite chambers over Lady Athena mid-run most of the time.
zinc scarab
and all other times you would never?
tidal flame
but you take divine strike though
honest charm
pardon me, but the compendium is now a very large wall of text
zinc scarab
You actually roll away from Aphrodite to get athena sometimes?
warm fog
Me: My favourite god is artemis
Also Me: But artemis boons are so so and i dont use cast too much ;-;
tidal flame
pardon me, but the compendium is now a very large wall of text
@honest charm yeah that's the point dummy
it's a codex
mossy zinc
I think I've used Fated Authority like 3 times in all my runs?
honest charm
when's the most disruptive time to post it?
tidal flame
Me: My favourite god is artemis
Also Me: But artemis boons are so so and i dont use cast too much ;-;
Have you heard of the blessing that is Critical Strike and Hunter Dash?
daring hedge
i used to use authority all the time and dismissed persuasion because of the complaints initially about rerolling into the same boons, and the lower amount of charges to start with
boy has my perspective changed since then
mossy zinc
Persuasion is amazing.
Figures all the people doing seeded runs on high heat don't value it enough lol.
warm fog
@tidal flame i have but you know my point she has fewer boons i would consider great than the other gods but she is so great a personality 
tidal flame
mossy zinc
If I know I'm starting with an Epic Attack boon every time, I'd might consider Authority, too.
daring hedge
"My Hammer enchantments..." legendary Zag quote
tidal flame
mossy zinc
Athena's Aid lol.
warm fog
Divine dash is ❤️
tidal flame
what you mean?
mossy zinc
And you call my builds crutch.
tidal flame
Yeah, Divine Strike Fists is a crutch
warm fog
Am i the only one that really loves knockback and wallsmashing enemies?
tidal flame
Bow + Artemis is love is life
warm fog
true
mossy zinc
Poseidon boons are fun.
warm fog
But bow is..... not my style xD
tidal flame
Thematically fitting
warm fog
but if i ever do bow runs i do artemis xD
cause that is where her boons makes most sense xD
mossy zinc
14b) exit Chaos Realm and see a fish
I've seen a Chaos Gate and that new fishing item and skipped it because I had better things to do lol.
tidal flame
Hunter + Coronacht
I've seen a Chaos Gate and that new fishing item and skipped it because I had better things to do lol.
Yeah, that's why you hang out in this channel, Hades "High Heat Strategies."
daring hedge
why would you deliberately deprive yourself of an opportunity to fill your fishing codex
a rare opportunity
warm fog
me when i have 162 escape attempts but a lot of them are not accessible because they are from before the archives was a thing xD
mossy zinc
I don't care too much about fishing, I suppose. I skip like 90% of fishing spots I see because I don't have time for that lol.
Gotta go on and die in the next chamber.
daring hedge
i can understand it in the case of other fishing spots after a certain point
but chaos fish...
daring hedge
ah, would've potentially ended the run
mossy zinc
Yeah.
honest charm
it's worth the run. 
daring hedge
i guess that is a tough decision though i might personally take the hit for some chaos fish
love me some deep sea critters
mossy zinc
I don't intentionally sabotage my runs lol.
I don't know, it's just a mindset I have.
honest charm
are you saying you don't do 44 heat farming crash runs?
daring hedge
i wouldn't call it intentionally sabotaging exactly
honest charm
what a noob
daring hedge
more so "ah the stars have aligned and i must take this CHANCE"
mossy zinc
I could have 30 HP before Hades and buy boons instead of the bounty just to increase my odds of winning a little further lol.
zinc scarab
Oh wow Blizz shot got a nerf
zinc scarab
It's probably semi deserved, but 20 feels a little extreme
mossy zinc
20 seems perfectly fine.
zinc scarab
Wait, can you not upgrade the damage of it?
daring hedge
nope
mossy zinc
To quote @tidal flame:
This is fine. https://imgur.com/a/Lbhwr29
(I still won that.)
mossy zinc
That was right during the DD animation lol.
Well, I win all the practice fights pretty much. Losing too much HP in the process, though.
So more practice it is.
honest charm
I've got this... itch, now
I really want to post the compendium
I edited a couple lines so it reads a little better
and it's beautiful
warm fog
and another pot of gold missed 
mossy zinc
Woo~! Finally a win with only 300 HP loss. https://imgur.com/a/A9Tzqj3
honest charm
tsch. how?
mossy zinc
Now to do that consistently.
tidal flame
Acorn 👀
mossy zinc
I'd pick Acorn in a real run, too.
tidal flame
I've got this... itch, now
I really want to post the compendium
Dew it
honest charm
High heat strategies compendium:
(1) enter Erebus early, fail
(2) whiff your summons
(3) step on magma
(3b) step on magma for SD when you have no SD
(4) dash into 150 damage urn to avoid 20 damage skull shockwave
(5) buy healing items with LC4
(6) walk into every spin
(7) walk back into Lernie head slam after dashing out of it
(8) use summon to destroy DC hearts
(9a) find Patroclus when you have 3 DDs,
(9b) never find Patroclus when you have no DDs
(10) skip forced boon in Asphodel, never see another
(11) mash dash
(12) dash into traps while trying to avoid enemies
(13) accidently use summon when meant to use god call
(14) exit rooms just to last second catch a glimpse of something you missed
(14b) for instance, fishing spots in Chaos
tidal flame
Consistency issue
3 then 3b
But 9a 9b
What a failure
Do it again
Smh my head
daring hedge
there were also some others earlier that weren't numbered but still would have fit
but oh well
honest charm
real file is fixed
tidal flame
We can consolidate it later
honest charm
there were also some others earlier that weren't numbered but still would have fit
@daring hedge dm or repost, I'll paste them to the bottom
tidal flame
But good idea Nyaa, and thanks for documenting it Lysol
mossy zinc
You've changed point 11. I'm upset.
honest charm
it was impertinent and kind of off-topic
your interactions with the noobs don't matter here
daring hedge
1b) enter erebus in elysium and fail
(x) have AP deny you a potentially run-defining duo several times
warm fog
NOOBS ARE foundation for any good game :>
tidal flame
If I'm being honest, the list can be condensed
Some of the points are not as relatable as others
mossy zinc
Newbies are just new players. Noobs is derogatory.
daring hedge
fox is in the curation business now
daring hedge
lol
warm fog
I should honestly not be allowed to finish this "very high" heat run (im on 1 heat 
) i started it with having skelly's tooth equipped cause i forgot to change keepsake
mossy zinc
The joke is that most people here will tell everyone who asks for tips to be mindful with their dashes (and that's good advice). But a lot of 40+ clears include a whole lot of dash-mashing.
tired charm
Tbh I’ve dashed into traps more times than I’ll ever admit
Not even because it’s chaotic on screen, I’m just dumb half the time
zinc scarab
I just did the entirety of asphodel in 2 minutes
warm fog
i have done it atleast 1 time per run
zinc scarab
I'm sorry what
daring hedge
oh we all pull dumb stuff like that lemon
tidal flame
I just did the entirety of asphodel in 2 minutes
I call it Tuesday.
mossy zinc
(12b) dash into traps to cure poison
mossy zinc
Actually.
tired charm
Seeing as the particle effects are purple
mossy zinc
(12b) dash into traps to cure poison, don't actually cure poison because curing pools are a lie
2 minutes for Asphodel is pretty good.
@tidal flame do you actually clear Asphodel in under 2 minutes routinely?
honest charm
ah gosh it's 1AM
if y'all have moar suggestions make sure you also ping me
zinc scarab
Yeah no duh everyone clears asphodel in 3-4 minutes, mr. bravado
zinc scarab
Meanwhile lol elysium took nearly as long as the rest of the run at 4:30 seconds
Oh no worries I'm not actually upset
Now, so long as styx doesn't screw me, I may have my fastest run yet happening here
mossy zinc
(15) take all the pacts that make Elysium longer, complain about TD2 in Elysium
zinc scarab
Having said that I'll probably get another 5 sack and end my life
tired charm
It’s always the 5 sack
tidal flame
I didn't ask for personal attacks Nyaa
mossy zinc
Well.
zinc scarab
There goes my 13 minute run
zinc scarab
You right
zinc scarab
Honestly, got hit by a few things there I probably should have dodged
Would have had more health if my call worked sooner after his transition to phase 2, but for some reason call gets a lil disabled there
Still would have probably lost cause none of that changes the fact I'm bad
daring hedge
tidal flame
God I love it. You make good contents mate
zinc scarab
Such a meme
tidal flame
Sure Than sounds good to me
mossy zinc
Who or what is Sure Than?
tidal flame
It's a high heat thing, you won't get it
mossy zinc
The Hades fight is pretty hard, and you don't get a lot of opportunity to practice it without making a save specifically for it.
mossy zinc
Done the fight or practiced it?
warm fog
done it
mossy zinc
I've done it, but to be honest I don't consider it worth practicing because the fight takes too long on high heat with TD2.
warm fog
true
mossy zinc
If you want tips for the fight, this is from Krashercorr: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/725220739200057404
warm fog
did it 1st try on low elo, so god an idea of how to fight him, his like a slower hitting but stronger hades it feels like
zinc scarab
"low elo"
zinc scarab
Yeah I beat Hades in Silver so I'm a pretty big deal. My companions are dragging me down though.
mossy zinc
Forgive me, game, for pressing a button at the end of that dash . . . https://imgur.com/a/hCL6fn3
zinc scarab
Well, beat Hades once with no athena boons and dash strike spam
So I guess it's time to try it at 32 heat
zinc scarab
*32
aiming for 6x32 first to first learning all the weapons and earning all the bounties, and then I may push to mid-forties (as far as I can push without RI4/AP2)
mossy zinc
I'm doing a get-hit-by-every-spin fight right now.
zinc scarab
Are you streaming it?
mossy zinc
Nah.
fickle rose
beowulf is underpowered, buff pls k thx
fallow stream
Having Athena offer you both deadly reversal and unshakable mettle when the duos you actually wanted for the whole run were merciful end and curse of drowning 🤣
Arrrrgh
And I couldn't even take them both, because they showed up on the same boon
mossy zinc
230 HP for the whole fight. We're getting there. https://imgur.com/a/rDhHls2
Using more uncharged Dash-Uppers now on his second life.
blissful rock
what's the best 16 heat combo for lucifer?
both in terms of the build and the actual heat modifiers
assuming zeus build for almost everything
with support fire
and then EM3, TD1, FO2, DC2, HS1?
mossy zinc
There's no "best" pacts. Whatever works for you.
blissful rock
yes but what would you recommend for luci
mossy zinc
I'd probably do something like EM2 MM FO2 TD2?
robust zephyr
Idk DC2 with lucifer is almost free because of how fast it procs dmg. I used it on my 32 heat rail win and it basically affected nothing.
cloud kelp
what cast is good with beu
tardy path
I'm so happy I understand these acronyms
eternal glen
So instead of boast I'm here to rant about how I was on a 25 ever-increasing-heat-winstreak, and on the 26th i was playing with the new weapon aspect, and at the fifnal boss, with 2 revives left my game crashed :(. Oh well, unlucky, That's to be expected of an early access game, but still, it just shows how unlucky I am xD
tidal flame
I'm sorry your game crashed. But may I ask what happened?
Please make sure you hit F10 in game so the devs know more about the situation.
You might be able to save your streak still if the save system works correctly.
solid mason
I keep reading RI as Risk Inheritance or Rhode Island. I has a dumb.
tribal eagle
honest charm
what's a good way to record runs?
honest kernel
OBS.
Not super CPU intensive and completely free.
What I use to stream and record.
tidal flame
do you have a graphic card?
make sure you use AMD encoder if AMD card, or NVENC encoder if Nvidia
if you don't then erm maybe record at 720p?
fading star
YES! I just beat 46 heat with twin fists! Dad never touched me! SUCK IT, DAD!
mossy zinc
Merciful End?
fading star
Yes, plus Athena legendary
mossy zinc
Oooh very nice.
fading star
Super lucky. Super-duper lucky
mossy zinc
Being superduper lucky is a high heat strategy. 
After beating him with sub 300 HP a couple times yesterday, he's been taking me 0 DDs a lot of the time today.
Clearly all my practice is paying off.
Meanwhile you don't practice and don't get hit at all.
I'm doing something wrong. 
fading star
Don't be hard on yourself. I was, "in the zone" and the fight felt like it was all moving in slow motion
I couldn't repeat that performance again consistently
mossy zinc
Yeah, I'm not. Practice performance can vary a lot anyway because I try out a lot of different things.
autumn sable
@fading star you know to ping me when that hotness hits the youtubes
fading star
I'll definitely do that @autumn sable. It was such a good run, I wish I did it during the day with more viewers
mossy zinc
A true fan wouldn't need a ping smh. Just stalk the channel. Mash that F5.
autumn sable
lol
fading star
hahahah
autumn sable
christ
merciful end + divine protection with AP2
list is updated with VOD link for now
fallow stream
what's a good way to record runs?
I just use the Xbox overlay built into Windows @honest charm
Just click on capture, then choose record
fading star
@fallow stream I used OBS Studio to capture my streams as well as record other things like tutorials from my PC
mossy zinc
@zinc scarab congrats!
tidal flame
nice dude
zinc scarab
Thanks Nyaa, onwards and upwards
tidal flame
what do you have left?
zinc scarab
Rail on the other hand
zinc scarab
I'll need to rebind my reload key first
honest kernel
I put mine on M4.
regal flax
lucifer, too
you just have to press dodge while firing
honest kernel
Also what FoxHope said.
autumn sable
Just take Luci and laugh your way to success
zinc scarab
Big fan of ranged, but the main spear I like is GY, and bow is only great with twin shot/triple shot
tidal flame
yeah mb for assuming people use controller xD
honest kernel
Nah, you're fine.
zinc scarab
Yeah I currently have cast on M4, and summon on M5
May swap that around to be reload on M4, cast on M5, and summon on M3
honest kernel
Still have Special on Q and Cast on M2?
zinc scarab
Oh god no
honest kernel
Ah, you're already considering M3, you're good.
zinc scarab
Special on M2 of course
honest kernel
A player after my own heart.
tidal flame
when I used to play MKB
zinc scarab
Don't know why SGG put cast on M2, it feels dirty
tidal flame
I also bind spec to M2
honest kernel
I took all primary game action off the keyboard around WASD, Attack, Special, and Cast on Ms 1, 2, and 3.
tidal flame
yeah the default scheme seems.. questionable
but at least the rebind process is super easy
tardy path
Oh we talking about binds?
tidal flame
so can't complain there
honest kernel
Call on Shift and Summon on Q.
tidal flame
yup we talking bind 😄
tardy path
Personally attack on M1 is the best
tidal flame
I bind dash to B on controller and attack on A
zinc scarab
Yeah I have like, interract on e, codex on c, and call on f, but otherwise
tidal flame
cause I'm a rebel
zinc scarab
and a fool?
tardy path
Oh and WASD for movement is a must
tidal flame
(that's the Witcher 3 control scheme)
zinc scarab
dammit now I need to listen to more shaimus
autumn sable
ESDF for movement is for proplayers only
zinc scarab
did you mean UIJK?
honest kernel
Get out.
autumn sable
give that pinky some options
zinc scarab
Pinky can still hit shift just fine, it's fine
tidal flame
Arrow control
honest kernel
I was gonna give Krashercorr a pass for keeping a finger on the marked key (in that it has a physical marker) but UIJK is cursed.
tidal flame
For 57 heat clear
zinc scarab
UIJK Blindfolded 57 Hades Spear clear when?
Pshh, thought this was the "high heat" channel
tidal flame
Negative result is still result
zinc scarab
I love coming up with terrible ideas just as much as I love coming up with great ideas
tidal flame
it's not much but it's honest work
autumn sable
but it in the books, fox
zinc scarab
Sometimes great ideas sound like terrible ideas. For example: Peanut Butter Pork Sandwich
mossy zinc
My brother bought me this. Checks out. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/630312677855461377/726712805536956456/20200628_101214.jpg
M for Malphon. 🧤
mossy zinc
Tailesque relies a lot on Dash-Strikes with it, I think.
zinc scarab
Makes sense, best build I can think of with it is Serrated Edge dash strike spam, and saving spins for bosses
zinc scarab
I'd assume that dash strike spam is actually faster and safer, but that's just hazarding a guess
mossy zinc
It's not faster than getting +150% attack damage before spamming Dash-Strikes.
zinc scarab
I'd imagine repeating that process multiple times for multiple enemies is slower than just hitting groups with dash strikes, but again I have no idea
mossy zinc
There's recovery after your dashes anyway, and you can spin without the initial jab after a Dash-Strike.
honest kernel
I started picking em2 like I was recommended but I still choke on TD1 for elysium
I was like 34 heat curse of pain+merc end+chaos
zinc scarab
Elysium is long, especially if you're not careful
honest kernel
ye I know
I clear like tatarus and asphodel with 3-4min left but elysium? nah
when I get all the way to styx time isnt a problem for me anymore either
mossy zinc
Do you grab obols from troves in Tartarus and Asphodel?
honest kernel
I think I grabbed 1 healing that run but nothing else
generally I ignore them unless its healing or cash
ngl I think I straight up also take too long to think after a clear sometimes
mossy zinc
Pause the game for that.
Grab obols from troves in Tartarus and Asphodel.
More cash to spend on more DPS.
mossy zinc
Darkness troves for healing, so you don't need to spend cash on it.
mossy zinc
Also make sure you skip rooms where you can in Elysium.
honest kernel
thanks for the tips
mossy zinc
Good luck!
foggy ruin
okay, so I'm planning to use Rama for my first 32 heat clear and I wanted to use something attack dependent. Yes I know Rama special is much more efficient but I wanted to prove a few friends wrong about Rama's attack. Any suggestions for builds? Right now I have in mind...
- basically Heart Rend (art attack/aphro special)
- basically Merciful End (athena attack/ares special)
- basically Sea Storm (poseidon attack)
then I pray to RNGeesus for Chain Shot and/or Triple Shot
mossy zinc
Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash.
foggy ruin
mmmmm gotcha. plays right into my rama style. thanks!
tough cedar
i did my rama 32 heat with aphro attack, dem special (priv status) and hunter dash
hammers were chain shot, twin shot and perfect shot (got a nice gamble at the anvil)
but imo your best bet would be heart rend + deadly reversal, so artemis attack, aphro/athena special, artemis dash and aphro/athena cast
i dont think merciful and and sea storm pair well with an attack build. sea storm might be interesting in a special build though, if you want to try it later
foggy ruin
thanks, I was actually musing how effective aphro on attack would be since, iirc, it gives the highest attack % increase right? mmm at least I know where I can start playing around now
tough cedar
aphro attack is also great, it just doesn't have a duo like heart rend to support it
fallow stream
You can make aphro attack utilize heart rend by using a weapon or boon that enables Crit, such as aspect of nemesis sword, or pressure points
tough cedar
true, didnt think about nemesis
although he's trying it on rama, it's a nice tip
pressure points doesnt feel meaningful enough to give heart rend much value, but i could be wrong, never did the hard math on that
keen storm
zinc scarab
I don’t really understand why people think GY spear’s healing needs a buff. The spin attack itself is janky and could use a charge time increase, but the healing heals you far more than any mirror talent or item if you use it well, and bypasses lasting consequences
daring hedge
yeah, i don't think it should be more powerful. it's very situational on single targets, and basically free on large groups. i think it's fine
zinc scarab
Sure on most bosses it’s slow healing, but for the most part you’re not supposed to have free healing mid-room
mossy zinc
Because they play the game more casually, and more healing would make things easier for them and more fun.
zinc scarab
And on big rooms it’s like 20-30 free health
I understand playing the game casually, but I’d argue there are a lot more healing items/protective gear etc. that can help, instead of picking up guan yu (which comes with its harsh downside)
tidal flame
mossy zinc
They also might not have it maxed out, so the HP reduction would be especially punishing. More healing would help with that.
tidal flame
GY be like Doomstone? What Doomstone
zinc scarab
but maybe I’m just too harsh on them, as I personally think that the slow progress you make while still learning the game is fun
especially given the fact that there’s so so much dialogue and house stuff, that it doesn’t make sense to just complete the game in like 10 runs, and do so easily
mossy zinc
Well, you're also one of like 15 people maybe who regularly post in the high-heat channel lol.
I think it's fine healing for 1 HP per hit, too.
But I also enjoyed it more actually when you could still throw the spin through pillars and walls lol.
zinc scarab
To be fair, I’m not actually someone playing at high heats yet, I just find theorizing to be the best here lol
I actually think it’s better not going through walls, as sure it’s riskier, but it can also ricochet back through enemies
daring hedge
yeah, cheesing heal spins in elysium used to be trivial with its prior ability to phase through walls
mossy zinc
Yup.
daring hedge
it now feels more appropriately like a decision or investment
mossy zinc
That's when Guan Yu was my favorite weapon lol.
daring hedge
at least dash-strike to special weaving still works the same... mostly lol
zinc scarab
Honestly, I’ll stand by this opinion until it happens: Spear needs to be cleaned up.
zinc scarab
It’s a neat weapon, but the attack, special, and spin all feel janky on most weapons
tidal flame
The more I play with the spear, the more I warm up to it. The biggest problem to me is that you are not granted super armor on a slow charging move like spin
zinc scarab
Faster spin + Auto returning special + faster (maybe reduced damage) attack would be my vote
tidal flame
either super armor or faster spin, or ideally both, is a good start
damage wise spear is okish
better than zero hammer bow actually
zinc scarab
You also aren’t granted super armor on bow shots or charged skewer etc.
tidal flame
yeah but bow you have range
mossy zinc
I still think the simplest solution that would make everyone happy is more base damage. The moveset is all there, the DPS isn't.
zinc scarab
I disagree, I think right now the damage is fine but the moveset feels clunky
tidal flame
I.. have to respectfully disagree on the damage apartment
mossy zinc
?
zinc scarab
Side note, gonna try a 32 heat achilles spear cast run later today cause I can make bad decisions
mossy zinc
Zagreus Aspect DPS is trash. Sorry.
zinc scarab
Zagreus Aspect special does do more damage than the GY spear, it just needs to hit twice and get manually recalled
mossy zinc
More damage != more DPS.
zinc scarab
Fair enough
tidal flame
Zagreus Aspect DPS is trash. Sorry.
Ok fair enough, I was thinking of spear in general
like Hades, Achilles, and especially GY
zinc scarab
Hades is not so great, and I’m still seeing if I can make achilles spear work
autumn sable
has anyone really put in the time to take Zag aspect into higher heats? didn't several people try?
I'd be interested in their opinions
daring hedge
hades is interesting in that it's the best bet for non-GY spear in heat high specifically in terms of actually using spear's moveset fully, instead of cast building with achilles for example
and yet, still very rough going
daring hedge
zagreus aspect spear is okay with flurry jab and lightning strike at high-ish heat, but at that point you're just trying to turn it into longer range, pointy fists and doing a lot more work to get there
and then it's also avoiding the special boosts inherent to the aspect so it feels... a little goofy
but i might try it on some 32+ runs later and see how it goes
autumn sable
i'd be interested in the poor-man's guan yu build of Zag
which is indirectly buffed
daring hedge
oh like just nabbing explosive launcher? lol
autumn sable
yeah
cedar spire
I've done it at 32, haven't tried higher but I'm sure 40 is doable. Exploding launcher, special speed, prob just artemis but poseidon isn't crazy since you can go for sea storm for multihit. Just cant take damage control really.
autumn sable
yeah, I think in that context, DPS would not be a problem
daring hedge
ah yeah, even on hades aspect at 40+ i've been trying to avoid DC unless i go for serrated point immediately
cedar spire
Hades sounds tough, the actual bonus from it must be difficult to utilize I imagine
daring hedge
yeah, even after getting used to keeping the buff up, damage feels weirdly lacking, and elysium TD2 can cause issues aplenty
daring hedge
yeah, i think 32 is fine for some general "testing" at high heat to see if something generally works
and then you can make a judgement call on whether it would work higher at 40+ for example
autumn sable
i think exploding+charged would make Zag aspect worthwhile at 40+ but then you're relying on 2 hammers
autumn sable
but, I'm not sure that's too much different from relying on duos or specific boons
exploding alone, might be enough, but that'd need real testing
cedar spire
Charged skewer is probably not mandatory but very nice. Breaching is a decent back up also
autumn sable
yeah
daring hedge
oh true, breaching and explosive sounds pretty swanky actually
cedar spire
But I think starting with exploding is sort of a must, at least for myself
autumn sable
relying on one hammer seems reasonable
zinc scarab
I'd assume exploding is definitely mandatory at least
autumn sable
seeing as how former GY runs made charged skewer mandatory
mossy zinc
That would mean seed or bust then if you want consistency, if it needs that hammer. So you have a very very low chance on a blind run if that's true.
autumn sable
technically, you have a low chance of succeeding regardless
consistency only really applies if someone is doing and succeeding multiple 40+ runs in a row
mossy zinc
I think Malphon can clear at least 40 blind very consistently. You have a lot of good boon builds available, and a lot of good hammers.
daring hedge
Isn't there someone on your high heat list that was getting to hades consistently with GY at a very high heat during nighty night, krasher?
autumn sable
I find, even on blind runs, it's not difficult getting charged skewer
mossy zinc
Those were seeded?
autumn sable
and it's a dead run, regardless if you don't get it
a dead run, relatively quickly
so you're only wasting as much time as it takes to die in Tartarus
mossy zinc
I've actually been thinking of perhaps practicing to beat 40 consistently with Malphon for now rather than push higher heats.
Blind runs.
autumn sable
a 40 heat streak category would be very interesting
mossy zinc
The odd one out will probably fail due to bad RNG. But I think it's possible to beat it very consistently.
split fjord
What is the general strategy on Malphon? I managed to do heat 20 with spear, wanna go higher eventually
zinc scarab
Hit them very hard
Malphon works with a lot of things, so it's honestly a lot of just "hey pick up what you can and go"
you can hunt for athena, ares, or zeus on attack for some of the strongest boons for attack, but the rest all work pretty well too. on special look for anything that gives more damage (excluding poseidon on demeter aspect). on dash look for athena, artemis, or whatever makes you happy
otherwise, get punch drunk and rip and tear until it's done
split fjord
@zinc scarab Alright, thanks for the suggestions! I´ll be sure to try that out
zinc scarab
Good luck and have fun!
autumn sable
build for safety: athena attack; build for damage: ares attack and hunt for merciful end
mossy zinc
Merciful End is probably safer.
autumn sable
i see that as probably the two most successful ways to do it
zinc scarab
if you pick up ares attack, before merc end aim for dash strikes
mossy zinc
Everything just dies.
autumn sable
merciful end is probably the most successful way to complete a run
I'd agree
that's worded weird, it grants the highest probability for success in a run once you get it
mossy zinc
Most reliable start for blind runs is with the Owl Pendant because you can move into either Merciful End or Divine Strike + Hunter Dash from there—or Divine Dash + Lightning Strike.
daring hedge
Lightning Strike is also easy, simple damage that isn't hard to run with and build upon with T2s, duos and such
autumn sable
divine strike basically allows you to treat fists like a makeshift shield
without the range
mossy zinc
If you start with Lord Zeus or Lord Ares, they might not give you the attack you want.
tidal flame
A man after my own heart
autumn sable
lightning strike lets you take jury summons and not really care
daring hedge
And DC is trivial with it
autumn sable
yeah
daring hedge
Even more so than
autumn sable
well
daring hedge
Normal fists
daring hedge
Yeah lol
autumn sable
i would still put lightning below merciful end and divine strike
daring hedge
I think it's mostly just a different approach than divine strike. But merciful end, yes
autumn sable
just because you still need to be able a dodge and learn enemy patterns more than the prior
daring hedge
Nothing can beat that with proper setup on fists
autumn sable
slightly more
daring hedge
True
mossy zinc
I'm happy with all three of them if I start with the Owl Pendant. But I tend to get Divine Strike from her on the runs that succeed lol. I'm just the most practiced with that.
autumn sable
a lot more if you don't combo lightning with divine dash
split fjord
Alright, thank you for your input!
mossy zinc
Frost Strike can be decent, too.
daring hedge
Like I had to in my 42 run until end of styx lol
autumn sable
yeah
daring hedge
Thanks a lot athena
mossy zinc
That's what you get for not starting with the Owl Pendant.
daring hedge
True, I missed my chance so I could delete hades skulls
autumn sable
unhealthy fixation probably did just as much to avoid damage, tbh
daring hedge
Especially during that absolute cartoon dust cloud scramble at champs
autumn sable
clinic on how to make the champs look like chumps
mossy zinc
to make a point
Tailesque may throw shade at me, but you clear 40+ first, padawan.
autumn sable
i honestly don't care
daring hedge
Hard to argue with lack of caring
tidal flame
toxic people, ban all except Tailesque
daring hedge
tidal flame
I'm fanboying you so hard rn xD
daring hedge
I am blessed, you're the shade cheering for me at the colosseum while I die to TD2 hades aspect runs
autumn sable
i'm just interested in runs that don't retread what has been done
tidal flame
then wait for my 42 Doom Hunter Dash Hestia
daring hedge
Yeah, I'm glad we're pushing heat on more aspects that haven't gotten as much attention in general
autumn sable
especially since doom hestia sounds so counterintuitive
tidal flame
I think I have recording of an attempt that got to Hades
autumn sable
I would credit wriste with really wanting to push high heats with weapons that aren't shield of chaos
tidal flame
but attempt doesn't excatly count xD
autumn sable
keeping the dream alive
tidal flame
our avatars are so yellow
autumn sable
I might just have to turn down my heat to 40
tidal flame
and the names are yellow, too
autumn sable
i'm interested in trying nemesis
cause I think that might be one of the harder aspects to bring up
tidal flame
with nemesis hardest boss is the furies to me
autumn sable
if not hardest
daring hedge
Honestly 40 is still plenty high for more awkward or unexplored aspects
tidal flame
then Hades
Lightning Strike Double Edge Nemesis?
With Hunter Dash?
what do you think
autumn sable
I initially wanted to bring fist up by forcing merciful end but once I found out that was already done, it sort of dropped all desire
daring hedge
I feel like the internal cooldown for bolts would still only proc one
tidal flame
Zeus can pack a punch with Jolted
daring hedge
But I havent tested
tidal flame
I thought internal cd only applies for Flourish?
autumn sable
yeah, i don't know
autumn sable
apparently there's a new cooldown on attack
daring hedge
Attack is chain lightning
autumn sable
thanks lucifer
daring hedge
No internal cooldown
Oh
Wait, so Lucifer brought on this change for ALL weapons?
Oof
autumn sable
but i think it doesn't matter for fist, I'm not sure
someone who looked at files said it was Zeus attack specifically
but not sure if it's still there
tidal flame
Lucifer screws everything up for everyone
autumn sable
and I can't tell when I use lucifer myself
tidal flame
sounds about right xD
autumn sable
cause it's still pretty bonkers
daring hedge
yeah, lightning strike lucifer still seems to be the "do you want your first 32 clear to be super simple and relatively easy" option
regardless of the nerf
tidal flame
I still haven't tried it
autumn sable
resqtoaster just did 40 on luci with poseidon and seastorm after only like...2 tries
daring hedge
lol
autumn sable
which is arguably just the poorman's Zeus
daring hedge
super soaker route
autumn sable
but there is something to be said about the knockback covering for lucifer's biggest weakness which, I think, is mobility
daring hedge
the fact that you can continue firing without pause while dashing though is kind of silly sometimes
autumn sable
yeah, but locking yourself in spot can be surprisingly more dangerous than you'd think
even with dashes
and no stagger
daring hedge
oh you're definitely right, and i was actually thinking of my lower heat runs with it while i said that, yeah
where i could afford to be goofy about it
zinc scarab
nemesis blade works well with hunter dash and most damage % attacks. I found hades the hardest boss on it purely as if you play too aggressively with dash strikes he'll spin to win and win and win
autumn sable
it's not a huge weakness, mind you
just have to be more mindful about positioning
i definitely take for granted the micromovement that you can do until I spend time on lucifer
daring hedge
yeah firespirit, high heat nemesis has a big problem of its own aggression potentially getting you killed
autumn sable
yeah
daring hedge
it's best played while being utterly reckless, which 40+ doesn't allow
autumn sable
it has less defensive options than the other pure melee weapon being fists as well
autumn sable
it would definitely be a good challenge at 40+, so I've been eying it
daring hedge
yeah
autumn sable
it was definitely my second most difficult 32 clear
zinc scarab
It definitely burns through both rooms and most bosses
Furies aren't bad so long as you keep in mind you can dodge in a different direction from your attack
daring hedge
yeah i think nemesis and subsequently sword was my last 32 weapon clear, and it took me many more tries than the others at the time. but i also had no knowledge of dash-strike spam
so i mostly played pretty conventionally
autumn sable
that run probably taught me more about the game than any other run though, so I valued it quite a bit from that perspective
daring hedge
oh same, for sure
daring hedge
yeah, double edge is a fantastic hammer
zinc scarab
It's so beautiful to see
autumn sable
i'm not sure I would be willing to do nemesis without divine dash
but i dunno, i'd have to take it to the lab and see what works, my main concern would be anything with a gravity well, maybe
daring hedge
oof, yeah
bruiser+pull BP elites will be a nightmare for high heat nemesis if they show up
autumn sable
as somewhat related, long knuckle makes gravity wells a joke
tidal flame
yeah i've been advocating for long knuckle since forever
autumn sable
same
daring hedge
yeah, i sometimes take long knuckle if my other options are stuff like flying cutter or rush kick
and the utility is def nice
tidal flame
people seems to prefer rolling knucnkle some reasons
and I use seems singular because it's really just Nyaa xD
daring hedge
rolling knuckle used to seamlessly cover downtime between basic combos
so you didn't have to do dash-strike resets
but i think it's slower now
autumn sable
well, rolling knuckle probably also made gravity wells a joke if you have athena
daring hedge
this is true
autumn sable
but long knuckle also lets you space out bombers
which are the real nemesis of melee
mossy zinc
I deflect bombs lol.
daring hedge
when elite inferno-bombers stand still for too long and you're like 👀 💦
mossy zinc
I've improved a lot since.
autumn sable
you just know they're thinking about it
daring hedge
"here it comes, here it comes"
daring hedge
yeah, being close to them often enough
autumn sable
depends on the weather
daring hedge
and they'll pause like we said, looking like they're deep in thought
before dropping the three
mossy zinc
Rolling Knuckle let me perma-stunlock everything without dashes before the beta.
brittle relic
when elite inferno-bombers stand still for too long and you're like 👀 💦
@daring hedge do you think its a bug?
I encountered that heck of an action today
autumn sable
"do I drop one or three"
daring hedge
lol
mossy zinc
Maybe they saw a bug, and that's why they drop 3.
autumn sable
i think that's one of the changes they made with the "minimum action" for FO
tidal flame
lol
daring hedge
@brittle relic it's been this way for a while now, so i don't think it's a bug. but they may make it more of a "natural" looking telegraph before 1.0
autumn sable
more pensive thought
daring hedge
asterius does a similar thing when he's about to do the swing combo without his initial grunt and windup
the one that comes out more readily
patch notes: inferno-bomber now puts their hand on their chin before dropping three bombs
mossy zinc
I'll say Divine Strike made me worse at fighting Asterius without it lol.
autumn sable
💣 💣 💣
autumn sable
boy, those don't show up very well
tidal flame
No Mercy Invulnerability either
daring hedge
tiny lightbulbs
daring hedge
lol
daring hedge
yeah a lot of the difficulty with TD2 elysium culminating with EM3 asterius and theseus is that you'll have to be kind of reckless sometimes to beat the clock, but making mistakes and getting hit by either is incredibly costly
tough cedar
ppl who use light mode are androids whose eyes are desensitized
zinc scarab
Little bit of a late response, but gravity wells are definitely a nightmare on dash strike nemesis. Despite that I found myself able to either kill before getting in range, dash through the well without stopping, or dash at the right time while in the well to still get the invuln frames
daring hedge
if extra time from previous biomes carried over to the next, elysium would be cake
asphodel is just free extra time in that scenario
autumn sable
rolling 50% seems like a much better middle ground than rolling the full time
daring hedge
for sure, i think full time rollover would be broken from both tartarus and asphodel
autumn sable
28 min clear just seemed like too much time
mossy zinc
if extra time from previous biomes carried over to the next, elysium would be cake
Exactly why I always tell people to open troves in the first two biomes. Gotta make the most of the time you have there to prepare for Elysium.
autumn sable
i rarely get obol troves in the first two biomes, unfortunately
daring hedge
i do always find it confusing when people say troves are a non-option for high heat. like, for elysium on a build that's just passable but not amazing, yeah probably
zinc scarab
I'd be fine if elysium got a room moved to tart, and then TD2 went up to 6 minutes only
daring hedge
otherwise, they're not at all hard to nab on TD2
autumn sable
lol, someone here used to complain that troves were a non-option on high heat not that long ago
tidal flame
who?
autumn sable
no need to point fingers
tidal flame
sue me
autumn sable
rude
mossy zinc
It's probably just that first impression of the difficulty spike, so you're not very tempted to add even more fights that you might screw up.
It takes some confidence to open a trove with HL5 BP2 etc.
Has anyone tested if healing troves are still way worse for healing than Darkness troves?
autumn sable
they're both bad
autumn sable
when you have LC4
daring hedge
yeah if LC is set high i'll mostly ignore non-money troves
mossy zinc
I can't do LC4. I'm a White Mage. It eliminates my reason for existing. 
autumn sable
no amount of healing is gonna save you from|| Masamune||
zinc scarab
White Mage who uses fists only and pretends to love aphrodite?
tidal flame
Has anyone tested if healing troves are still way worse for healing than Darkness troves?
How is healing trove worse than darkness trove?
Meta resources aside, since high heat you don't chase meta currency
frail crane
Even though Regen is only 60% right now?
honest kernel
Usually, yeah
altho that is a shaky usually
Gonna have to crunch numbers on that one post-nerf
shut siren
Dark Regen at a higher heat if you've cleared all the bounties for that weapon is imo better
because it increases the heal you get from after a boss fight rather than slowly dripfeeding health thru the biome
and its a sizeable heal
frail crane
Oh, definitely. The discussion was healing troves vs darkness troves, as I understand
honest kernel
^
shut siren
ah my bad
for healing healing troves are more than darkness troves obviously with dark regen
north wyvern
How has everyone's priority of Chaos gates changed since the changes?
fallow stream
Depends on what weapon I'm using
But ultimately I still use them if there's nothing of great importance in regular rooms, solely for cutting down biome clear time for TD2
tough cedar
unless i'm going for a cast build i just ignore them now, but if i'm feeling adventurous and the next chamber is a blue laurel one i'll take it
limber sorrel
I take them everytime in tartarus if I'm running GY otherwise I only take them if I'm not confident in my current load out
mossy zinc
for healing healing troves are more than darkness troves obviously with dark regen
They're not. You get more healing from Darkness troves because healing troves decay way too quick.
tidal flame
Just speedrun it smh
mossy zinc
And Darkness troves get buffed from a lot of sources for more Darkness.
autumn sable
well I finished 41 but I did not adhere to my personal challenge
daring hedge
what was your personal challenge? no athena?
daring hedge
ah, close though
daring hedge
oh wow nice, fists?
daring hedge
she'd be so proud
autumn sable
indeed
daring hedge
also grats either way, i know you had a challenge in mind but like
still 41 in general
that's a feat by any measure
autumn sable
yeah, i was banging my head at 45, turns out, you can totall drop BP and still be 40+
tidal flame
Did you drop both or just one?
Although I guess a picture worths a thousand words haha
Grats
daring hedge
yeah definitely interested to see the heat config if BP was dropped
autumn sable
BP elysium, I think is what killed me the most, so I tried a new set up
autumn sable
that's what I was doing
but Zeus attack is so good at clearing rooms
that I figured, I'd give it a try
daring hedge
also i should probably give stubborn defiance a shot one of these days
i just never actually bother to get used to it
i'm stubbornly not using stubborn
autumn sable
i only started using it for 40+
daring hedge
yeah, i might switch for some 41+ hades aspect runs and see how it feels
might try JS more with it too but i feel like it can only make my current problems there even worse
so i don't have high hopes
daring hedge
i've found that i'm honestly not too great at EM3 champs if i have a less than great build
autumn sable
I probably shouldn't drink and high heat
daring hedge
but you won so i mean, the lesson learned is to always drink and high heat
autumn sable
true
also, my game crashed in styx
and I had a small aneurysm
but it was as I was transitioning between rooms
daring hedge
i would have flipped
autumn sable
regardless, not having BP made the run a million times easier
daring hedge
since BP seems to also spawn more elites in general as a sort of side effect, maybe swapping that out and swapping in JS pretty much exactly as you did is worth it? i guess i'm just thinking out loud since i definitely wanna try it myself now
tidal flame
Hmm drunk Hades seems good
autumn sable
yeah, I had been experiementing with a few different combos so that was the first try with that setup
I have been doing JS2 and BP2 for 45 heat
but noticed the thing that I had the most trouble with wasn't the number of enemies but the number of armored ones
daring hedge
yeah
autumn sable
it's definitely a case by case basis
daring hedge
and full LC with stubborn defiance is smart, those go together pretty nicely
autumn sable
i think I'm not sure I want to run the same set up for nemesis
zinc scarab
It may be worth dropping 1 of 2 bp for nemesis (to reduce mobs with gravity), but i don't think it's worth it
Also, drunk hades: take a shot everytime you end a run. Take 2 if you win
zinc scarab
question: with zag bow and hunter dash, do you think taking aphrodite or artemis rewards more damage?
tidal flame
Aphrodite imo
hollow lynx
aphro would be higher consistent damage
autumn sable
nyaa has done the math for special but I don't think anyone has done it for attack
hollow lynx
plus an occasional spike every now and then
autumn sable
but a total of 25% crit may or may not make up for the damage
tidal flame
Although real talk I think Doom Hunter Dash might outdamage Aphro Hunter Dash, if you don't get chaos or other damage streroids.
autumn sable
I would suspect that with hunter dash, artemis will be more damage overall
zinc scarab
If I'm doing the math right, it's something like
40 base damage * (1 + hunter dash + artemis attack + chaos boosts) * crit boost of (1 + (3 * 0.25))
tidal flame
Also Doom Bow might be the answer to Damage Control on Bow
You can capitalize on crit with hunter dash
zinc scarab
vs. 40 * (1 + hunter dash + aphro + chaos) * crit boost of (1 + (3 * 0.1))
autumn sable
it doesn't take much crit chance or +dmg% to overtake aphro for special
mossy zinc
+10% crit chance for Zag bow hasn't changed, right?
autumn sable
no
hollow lynx
nope
hollow lynx
25% chance is pretty good
zinc scarab
currently because I have chaos boosting my dash strike damage by 87%, I'm gonna stick with artemis
autumn sable
i can only give anecdotal data, someone's gonna need some hard numbers for you
i guess we actually should've asked you what you were doing with said build
autumn sable
cause even with all those, I would probably be inclined to go aphro on higher heat
for the utility
zinc scarab
Currently just running 20 to shake off the rust
EM2, MM, BP1, FO2, and TD2
So nothing crazy really
tidal flame
I got choked by EM1 and EM3
mossy zinc
@zinc scarab second and third sheet now have data for Nemesis and Zagreus (Coronacht) respectively. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c0C5S__GYUO8Cz2ibKhOUu7okqDTqhGRuCzwRlz6X1U/edit?usp=sharing
mossy zinc
tl;dr you need +100% for Epic Deadly Strike to catch up with Epic Heartbreak Flourish. +101% and above, Deadly Strike will pull ahead.
zinc scarab
Uh, slight confusion on the crit mod of artemis
isn't it 15%? so wouldn't that be a 1.45 multiplier?
mossy zinc
No, this is averaged.
zinc scarab
15% of the time you get a 300% multiplier, so effectively you have a 45% average multiplier?
mossy zinc
.85 + .15 * 3 = 1.3
zinc scarab
.85?
mossy zinc
Yes. 85% of the time you do 100% damage, 15% of the time you do 300% damage.
tidal flame
That's not how it works
patent umbra
Someone pin that doc
zinc scarab
@torn vapor we need assistance
static plover
<@!288078231360241676> second and third sheet now have data for Nemesis and Zagr...
autumn sable
should probably pin it over in builds and combat too
patent umbra
Thanks
autumn sable
since it's pretty universally useful
zinc scarab
Thanks Chaaron, greatly appreciated
tidal flame
It's fine, I can take it. I guess I went to college for nothing.
autumn sable
jesus, nemesis requires a lot of extra to make deadly better
sharp cosmos
Quick question: Can you still apply the 'undamaged' bonus dmg to enemies after they lose their 'damage control' stacks?
zinc scarab
Yes, for the first hit
I'm curious if it applies when the enemy has no armor but max health
as in, right after an armor break
I assume it doesn't
sharp cosmos
hmm, that idk either
sharp cosmos
At least somebody tested it and reported back that it doesn't.
@mossy zinc Thank you for your service 😄
patent umbra
Can someone explain how the HBS vs DS doc works? I just want to make sure I'm understanding it/reading it right
autumn sable
basically, the highlights correspond to how much extra +dmg% you'd need for deadly strike to be equal to heartbreak
zinc scarab
The numbers along the left side, is that bonus crit %?
autumn sable
with +dmg% being on the far left
tidal flame
And that's discounting pom level yes?
autumn sable
the low vs high is the range of damage values you can roll per common/rare/epic/heroic boon
tidal flame
We getting 3D in this stuff
autumn sable
yellow is equal, green is when deadly gets better
zinc scarab
It looks like a decent hunter dash means you should be looking for Deadly Strike on Coronacht
autumn sable
yeah
nemesis, on the other hand is more reliable with heartbreak on attack
well
you'd need something like epic hunter dash AND epic dashstrike boon
zinc scarab
Which makes sense given the fact that nemesis has 30% base crit
mossy zinc
I've zero actual data on pom scaling.
tidal flame
Can you explain low vs high damage again?
patent umbra
Okay, I think I'm reading this right now, thanks
The only thing with this is that you have to assume same rarity, right
autumn sable
yes
patent umbra
I mean, I guess you can look at the numbers to figure out the data, but you never know what you're going to roll in-game
autumn sable
low vs high is how much +dmg% you can roll for any given rarity
tidal flame
There is a roll for damage?
autumn sable
for instance rare deadly strike can roll with a multiplier of 1.3-1.5
some boons can roll for damage within a set range
autumn sable
it;s all on the wiki
patent umbra
Yeah. Rarity just effects the multiplier, really, but even that is still a range
autumn sable
whether or not that changed with Blood Price, I'm not sure
zinc scarab
Yeah
patent umbra
I'd guess not. That's a system overhaul then
autumn sable
but there's definitely ranges
hunter dash, as an example, does not
those numbers are set in stone for rarity
zinc scarab
Is the dmg% on the side supposed to be taking into account the dmg% from the boon itself?
autumn sable
i don't think so, but you'd have to ask @mossy zinc herself
tidal flame
hang on
a rare HBS gives multiplier of 1.3 to 1.5
a common gives +50% so multiplier of 1.5?
zinc scarab
would be 75% max
tidal flame
a rare HBS is worse than a common?
patent umbra
So if I'm reading this right, then for the Nemesis aspect, for Deadly Strike to be better than Heartbreak Flourish, assuming epic boons, I'd need to find at least another +153% attack damage?
zinc scarab
the base dmg% is 50%
that's what you get for common
rare multiplies that by 1.5
at max
zinc scarab
@patent umbra It looks like you need 158%?
tidal flame
why they have to do that T.T
patent umbra
You're looking at line # firepsirit, not first column
zinc scarab
oh you're right
autumn sable
yeah, i believe so, @patent umbra. worst case scenario for epic boons, 152 or more. Best case scenario, you'd need +180 or more
patent umbra
Okay, awesome
Follow up question
Does that take into account what the boon offers or not?
So let's say it's 152 more, but my Deadly Strike gives +60
Is it still 152 more or is it now 92 more?
tidal flame
92 more
zinc scarab
Yeah that was my question too
patent umbra
Because it lists base mod, so I think it takes that into account
tidal flame
ok I tuned on my computer and actually use my brain
patent umbra
But I'm not sure without doing the math myself
tidal flame
p sure the answer is still 92 more.
autumn sable
i don't think fox is right based on the equations used on the sheet
patent umbra
That's what I was thinking too, Krasher, but I just wasn't sure
autumn sable
the base modifier is already calculated into it
and if it's anything like her special sheet, then the +% attack column is additional modifier needed
patent umbra
Which means lol @ ever going deadly strike on nemesis, because where am I going to find 152+ damage consistently on top of that
patent umbra
But not consistent I'd say
tidal flame
yeah, so at 152%, if you have 100% from Hunter Dash, you need 52 more
patent umbra
Well, unless your RNG is just better than mine 😠
tidal flame
if you have chaos boon you take 152 - whatever the chaos boon gives
mossy zinc
The A column is +% damage from other sources—or technically from pom levels, too, but that's not very relevant for the sheet.
autumn sable
consistent, probably not
tidal flame
So let's say it's 152 more, but my Deadly Strike gives +60
OH you meant Deadly Strike, what is already included
mb
then yeah you need 152 more
autumn sable
but if you're trying to do something like speedrun, any run that doesn't have decent rng to it is dead in the water anyway
patent umbra
Fair point
mossy zinc
Epic Deadly Strike needs +152~180 damage to catch up with Epic Heartbreak Flourish on Nemesis.
This isn't taking into account other crit modifiers from Lady Artemis's boons.
autumn sable
but maybe that's too niche of a case-use
patent umbra
Good to know. Thanks for all the info and confirmations!