h1-high-heat-strategies

[thick quiver]

btw if I take an olympian's keepsake, and then I keep it after the next area, does the next area ALSO have a guaranteed boon from that god?

and does taking an olympian's keepsake increase the odds of me finding boons from that god in general or does it ONLY guarantee one boon?

[shy plinth]

Only one

Should be god keepsake for tart-diff god keepsake for asph-acorn acorn or tooth acorn

Usually you can set up for a duo and/or get it in asphodel

[thick quiver]

I noticed banana doesn't seem to recommend side hustle at all, which is very odd to me because when I do the math it seems to translate to a metric crap ton of gold across the run even if I take it a bit late into the game. Why is that?

[shy plinth]

It doesn't make you go faster or deal more damage

Money shouldn't really be a majorly limiting factor, especially if taking gold early

Hermes boons are NUTS

And you only get two

Three rarely

[thick quiver]

I know if I take hypersprint with the other hermes boon that gives me bonus damage based on bonus movespeed I literally become God

[shy plinth]

There are so many better options than side hustle

Yep

Hyper delivery is really good

[thick quiver]

are demeter's cast/attack/special/dash/call boons good AT ALL by the way? I have never had a single run where I didn't regret taking them really lol

especially because the chill relies on being stacked multiple times, benefiting fast attack speed weapons, but also gives (low) %damage increase so it seems to have counter synergy with basically everything

and none of the augmenting boons seem particularly good in the slightest

meme beam with the boon that makes it apply chill seems alright except for the fact that it doesn't let me build into demeter chill-based duos which makes no sense at all to me

when I tried a forced overtime 2 run I picked demeter beam crystal and I was quickly like "oh god why did I do that this is literally worthless"

[forest token]

Most of the time, the duo your build is based around isn't needed to actually win except like hunting blades and merciful end. But also typically speaking, getting 1 duo is pretty reliable in runs with 4 rerolls

Pride for epic Hermes/chaos is gonna get you more mileage

[forest token]

Well it's not like bad but also shouldn't be a priority/focus point at all. But also generally speaking, if you aren't offered hyper sprint, rush delivery, or more dashes, you're gonna default to side hustle anyways lmao

[thick quiver]

slicing shot just seems completely worthless unless built right with like engulfing vortex and hunting blades (from what I've seen freezing vortex on slicing shot is a straight up downgrade that should never ever be picked)

[forest token]

She has good supporting boons, snow burst is good for castpects. Ravenous will is decent all around, especially on a castpect

Killing freeze is free boss damage basically

[thick quiver]

what weapons SHOULD I take demeter boons on?

if any

btw say if I'm at lc4 and take nourished soul, does that mean I DO get some healing from the healing buff?

[forest token]

Oh nope lol

You also can't sell it either

So it's completely useless

Never take it

[forest token]

Beowulf and Hera are the main ones
Achilles kinda if you wanna build into ice wine
Otherwise like epic Demeter attack/special is still good to pick up if you see it bc it's still good damage

[thick quiver]

when you say beowulf and hera are you refering to demeter's cast? Or just taking a demeter boon that lets you build into ice wine?

[forest token]

Snow burst and ravenous will lmfao

For hera you aim for it after your Aphrodite cast start

On Beowulf, you pick it up if you see it

You don't care if you get it or not

But that's like your third god you're aiming for

"aiming"

[sly cove]

theres no way lmao

[sly cove]

it lasts long enough and the % is solid with poms

pride works legacy is bugged to not work 👍

[upper juniper]

It’s lowkey really weird that fo2 would be multiplicative

I kinda refuse to believe it every time you say it

[sly cove]

yeah i doubt it is

but its also smth that seems like itd be hard to test unless u look at source code

[upper juniper]

The way you’d code it would be unnatural compared to scaling any other pact

[sly cove]

well i guess like

i can kinda see it

[upper juniper]

I can see how you’d do it but it’s purely less intuitive when every other pact is linear

[sly cove]

attack speed is different from other multipliers in that you cant just directly multiply it

[upper juniper]

I mean

Some sources of attack speed differ on how they apply iirc

some of them are multipliers to attacks per second while others directly reduce the seconds per attack

which is a different equation

The easy juxtaposition is special speed vs attack speed iirc

[sly cove]

yeah

[ashen garnet]

Privilege Status is almost always more dps than Family Favorite on most melee aspects over a full run (particularly against bosses/high-HP foes) ; as long as it is mindfully applied and as the pact you are running does not impede you from getting enough status curses boons

[languid notch]

Yeah unless your build finds it difficult to apply debuffs (e.g artemis and some cast builds) p status is quite viable

I usually run family favourites so i dont have to switch my mirror every time i use artemis (shes my fav god) but when i speedrun specific weapons i take p status

[delicate knoll]

underworld customs with ri1 kills pstatus but you're not running ri1 until 45-50 heat so it's actually pretty good until that point

[languid notch]

Like I’m putting it in a speedrun context

Ignoring heat

So privileged status is fun

[ashen garnet]

UC kinda equally kills FF (unless you keep FF buff even after purging, can't recall). Approval Process on the other hand

[sly cove]

in a speedrun context isnt pstatus just a kill more while ff lets u hit ranges in tart

[ashen garnet]

Reaching hp/damage thresholds for damage cycles basically more important in speedrun yeah

[gloomy prism]

Any tips on sword for 20 heat? I barely passed gear 19 with phalanx shot Poseidon sword build. I find it hard to do it with nemesis sword for example because I find I have to be more aggressive due to the time constraints

[sly cove]

send ur pact

and mirror

[pulsar trench]

Nemesis can be pretty aggressive tho, it feels pretty good to use

[gloomy prism]

I think I run out of time if I play a bit more careful with kiting.

[delicate knoll]

what pact and mirror are you using?

you can send images somewhere else then copy the link and paste it here

[gloomy prism]

All purple mirror.

[delicate knoll]

some of the green upgrades are significantly stronger

[gloomy prism]

Hard Labor 40, extreme measures 3, benefits 1, middle management max, underworld custom max, heightened security max, damage control max, tight deadline 7minutes

[gloomy prism]

Oh?

Was on a pretty good butterfly run and died to the last boss

[delicate knoll]

fiery assault, family favorite, dark foresight, fated persuasion

[delicate knoll]

this isn't bad, I'd only change damage control for something else

[delicate knoll]

for a nemesis build, start with aphrodite attack and then take anything from artemis that opens up their duo

the butterfly isn't a good keepsake, don't use it

for the first 2 biomes you usually take the keepsake of the god you want, elysium is either utility or defense depending on what you need, and then styx is defense

(defense is either skelly tooth or acorn depending on yourself)

[gloomy prism]

Ok let me try Aphrodite and Artemis

[gloomy prism]

So far sucking bad

[delicate knoll]

if you're having trouble with survival, switch aphro attack for athena attack

the duo with artemis is still very good for nemesis, and you can take divine dash later which is probably the best defensive boon in the whole game

[gloomy prism]

Yeah still sucking. Tried Artemis attack and Dionysus special and Aphrodite dash. Died on the second last boss.

I'll try Athena attack and Artemis

[gloomy prism]

Ok I'll try those.

[forest token]

Lightning phalanx or just phalanx shot post sword should be fine for 20 heat

The issue might've been damage control with ot

[upper juniper]

While we're talking about sword

Alexca helped revise the hammer tierlist for sword

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384552487045824553/image.png?ex=6852d87c&is=685186fc&hm=d3589987c186cea0c51c0e188b3f90270f73b46de99b8dd180948c13bdebe7e7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1182&height=1118

if you have the time do you want to swap it out on the 32 heat guide

[south violet]

Oh also include a chopp build, that hammer takes a specific playstyle to work, as it changes the rotation completely

(Athena or aphro attack, + a few poms. Best second hammers are shadow, breaching or dedge.)

[upper juniper]

Do you think chop is more viable on zag sword since it's less punishing or nem?

[south violet]

Definitely best on zagsword, but playable on all three

Nem sort of benefits from chop too though the rotation gets slightly wierd since you want to fit a special, but gave to wait until no enemies are near to do that safely

[upper juniper]

is chop 50 base damage or 80 I can't remember off the top of my head

[south violet]

80

Or was it 90?

[upper juniper]

I was like 5 seconds away from calling it bad spreadfire when I thought it was 50

[forest token]

Wait what changed

[south violet]

Idr either way it's got high base

[forest token]

Oh world splitter

[ivory drum]

90

[upper juniper]

90 sounds right

[upper juniper]

chop, double nova, curse slash got rearranged

[forest token]

Oh Arthur gaming lmfao

Yeah that makes sense

Idk how I feel about telling less experienced players about cursed slash Arthur tho lmao

I'd have to write a bit more about the chop and cursed slash Arthur if I add that

Where did double nova move from btw

[upper juniper]

double nova was just neutral to now in the same tier as breaching

[south violet]

Solid damage-option, just have to remember to not continue sword combo immediately

If you have an athena special it's got some great safety, too

[forest token]

Oh I thought it was always b ngl

I always found it to be a solid option even if you dash out of it sometimes

But yeah fair

I'll update it when I get home if I remember

Someone remind me in 12 hours lmfao

[south violet]

There's a pretty facetanky buildpath with aphro or athena attack and literally any invuln call to use in the event of panic

[forest token]

Yeah I'm aware of it, it's just that idk how much I trust people struggling with 32 heat to like

Effectively pull it off

I can't remember the run well (or I haven't watched it idk lmao) but it was poshboy wasn't it?

I feel like it is a good build but it needs to be in the hands of a capable player to not die immediately

I guess I can clarify that in the guide yeah

[south violet]

I think that'd be selling short how much tanking can be done with arthur in general. Cursed slash just means rooms are no longer really a problem, you heal 2 hp per enemy hit

[forest token]

Oh per enemy hit

I thought it was per swing that hits

That's a lot better than i thought

[south violet]

Ikr

[forest token]

Can you link the run btw, I'll watch it later so I can write about it in the guide

[south violet]

Can give a few example-runs, yes

[forest token]

It was poshboy that pioneered it right?

Wanna give credit where credits due

Esp for something cursed lmao

[south violet]

"cursed" literally LOL

[upper juniper]

btw within the tiers it's still ordered by viability/hammer strength right

[south violet]

yeah more or less

one could make an argument for shuffling around B/C tier a little depending on build, but other than that I think it's accurate

[ashen garnet]

beeg chopp gang 😌

[south violet]

shoutouts to you ofc for the enlightenment 😌

[ashen garnet]

Also Shadow Slash best 2nd hammer for World Splitter 1st by a mile

[upper juniper]

dw I fixed it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384563477582188746/image.png?ex=6852e2b9&is=68519139&hm=b579ed425a0c5a70278a06d7557789673e86bd18f90f5cb8f3df2cd90563eb22&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1118&height=1041

[south violet]

lmfao

[ashen garnet]

Like, it's so much base damage that it single-handedly makes both %-based boons and dps-increasing buffs ranging from viable to outstanding for a melee aspect

[upper juniper]

I don't know if I fully grasped that last message

wdym by "dps increasing buffs"

[south violet]

swift strike comes to mind

[upper juniper]

Ah

[ashen garnet]

Mostly had cyclops jerky (+pat jerky), eris bangle, nail of talos, nemesis crest in mind but it was vague yeah

[forest token]

Can you send/dm me a vid of world splitter gaming lmao

[south violet]

several

[forest token]

Why is that? I get it for Arthur bc it has a large arc to hit multiple, but world splitter doesn't have that much aoe I thought

Oh shadow

Sorry

Yeah that makes sense

I thought it was cursed lmao

[ashen garnet]

Not sure I can since twitch highlights bs

[forest token]

Ah rip

If someone has any vid then lmao

[sly cove]

world splitter ??

do ppl actualy run it now

last time i was here everyone said it was bottom 4

[upper juniper]

guys can either of you confirm off the dome if strike speed buffs directly decrease the amount of frames per attack while special speed is a linear increase to attacks per second

[forest token]

The high heaters say it's viable

[upper juniper]

this is something I remember hearing like 2 or 3 years ago but can't remember which way round it is

[sly cove]

is it dash strike lite

[ashen garnet]

It's basically Atk>dash-strike>rinse and repeat but the real deal is about spacing/side stepping, delaying and sword sliding timings

[forest token]

I would think Arthur lite lmao but scratch can elaborate more on that

Also scratch I'm well aware of your gaming prowess but I'm still not gonna put heavy knuckle Talos on the guide

[sly cove]

dont u just spam dash strikes on arthur too

[ashen garnet]

You should

[forest token]

That's actually the most horrifying thing I've heard more than cursed slash Arthur

[forest token]

Not with cursed slash!

[sly cove]

😭😭😭

what

[forest token]

Damage reduction and hp gain

[sly cove]

how do u not just die with that slow ass attack speed

[forest token]

It's like the same concept as guan Yu but more face tanky

[forest token]

Skill issue unironically basically

[ashen garnet]

I mean it would not make sense since the approach is almost the same as going for World Splitter, yet less committal. Real deal still being about special-cancelling 🧲

[sly cove]

no cuz like how do u get an attack off 😭😭

with fo2 guys

[forest token]

Better spacing

The same way the... 59? Or whatever the record is did it

[forest token]

That's true

I'll see how I feel about it when I write it tn lmfao

[south violet]

athena attack lets you deflect like half of the things

[sly cove]

idk how anyone runs high heat bro

ap2 + ri sounds like hell

no df no rerolls

[forest token]

A lot of time and dedication lmao

[south violet]

"Just don't ap2 " is a play if you get tired of ap2 or you're playing an aspect that needs more than like 1 boon

[ashen garnet]

It's manageable till 50-ish

[sly cove]

yea cuz u dont need ap2 until 50

idk i struggled with beo 50 for so long

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I have the best chance of winning if I don't have to be always up close to enemy to hit. So Poseidon sword with lightning phalanx seems safest

[sly cove]

learn to dodge imo

but lightning phalanx is fine

start god keepsake and run acorn in ely/styx

aspho is more open imo

force second god or take like coins or anything

if ur running lc4 then tooth can be good

if ur struggling on lernie

[sly cove]

doesnt fiery assault not work with dc

if ur cool with lc4 then

id say lc4 cf1 em3 bp1 mm uc td2 should be pretty easy

otherwise like hl3 lc1 cf1

hs is free heat sometimes but rly costly other times so i wouldnt bother

if running lc4 then swap dds to sd

since ur running athena u can get dd refills anyw

(if u pop ur sd in an athena room and take the athena boons that give u a dd then u get both sd and dd afterwards)

also depending on how high u want to go u might want to look into fo2

its free heat once u adjust to it but if u arent good at dodging then it might be kinda ass

also @ mirror

definitely go dark foresight and the green rerolls

family favorite is preferred but if ur building pstatus thats fine too

[gloomy prism]

I can kind of dodge but it makes tight deadline a problem if I play more carefully

[gloomy prism]

I'll give this a try. I think I've gone all purple

[sly cove]

i think u just gotta consider that attacking is ur primary goal and not taking damage is ur secondary goal

the longer they stay alive the greater chances are of you getting hit

dont run away just dash thru attacks and stuff

also dash strikes dont give iframes

[upper juniper]

What level of td are you running?

[gloomy prism]

7 minutes one

[gloomy prism]

I didn't know that. I kind of wondered if that was the case

[upper juniper]

Hmmm

Taking 28 minutes with nem is kinda wild

[upper juniper]

Wait are you keeping damage control on for your nemesis runs

That’d make you take like 2-3 times as long

[gloomy prism]

Usually I'll die in the second last or last world.

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I was following the heat progression someone posted

[upper juniper]

WHAT

who posted a heat progression with damage control 2

Unless it was a rail specific heat progression that’s hella weird

[gloomy prism]

Not sure. It was a long time ago and I took a break from the game and just coming back to it

Is there a recommended heat progression?

[upper juniper]

Yeah

It’s pinned here and

It differs a tad from what you have

Not completely but a bit

[gloomy prism]

Thanks I'll give it a try

[final gorge]

I love damage control (rama bow one trick)

[gloomy prism]

I managed to fluke a clear I think with those tips. Aphrodite attack with some chaos attack, divine dash and unhealthy fixation with lambent plume on the last run

Couldn't do it again with Athena attack though, ran out of time facing the second last boss

[gloomy prism]

I'll keep practicing nemesis sword on the same heat and see if I can improve my consistency

[upper juniper]

Lambent plume is a bit questionable

[south violet]

unhealthy fixation is very questionable

screw that legendary

[ashen garnet]

Unhealthy boon, literally

Unless you slap aphro on fast-hitting attack (might be extremely funny on luci atk) but it's not timer-friendly

[sly cove]

which one is that

15% to charm on any aphro?

that ones kinda bad

eh

charm is so broken vs dad tho idt its horrendous

i feel like smair aphro call is lowkey just an autowin vs dad bar timer

and u shouldnt ever be timing out on 28 mins

and aphro legendary is smair call at home

[south violet]

actively detrimental because you can't memorize any timings for any attack of any charmed enemy

the reason aphro call can be alright is because it acts as a discount meg summon. regular charm (or minor aphro calls) do not benefit from this.

[pulsar trench]

But like it stops his attacks sometimes before he does em

[south violet]

correction: it makes enemies repeat their attack, after a variable delay due to animation-weirdness

[quiet acorn]

With smair it's goated

[sly cove]

wdym bro 😭😭😭

i used aphro call smair vs him and he barely got any attacks off

which i easily dodged through because u can just react to the visual cue

[south violet]

I stand by my word. no-where near reliable enough, and can mess with animations (and hence the visual cue) if used at the wrong time.

[gloomy prism]

I don't think I was going for any duo or legendary in particular, was just Aphrodite attack

[quiet acorn]

Yea exactly

[gloomy prism]

So I should try for smair and call?

[sly cove]

yes

[sly cove]

u avoid way more damage and get way more clean attacks in

so even if animation bugs mess u up a bit u still take way less damage

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I noticed with the legendary charm, it helped reduce the number of attacks I had to dodge

[south violet]

unreliable therefore bad

in other words, what I'm trying to say less crudely than I could is "just keep playing mate" or even more crudely "skill issue". one gets to avoid more by not using charm than by using charm.

[upper juniper]

Just use zeus call or dio if you’re taking smair

[south violet]

again, I can sort of understand aphrodite call if your plan is to use the full charge on it for the extra damage, but it comes at a drawback when using it with smoldering air as opposed to basically any other call

also what shackle said

[upper juniper]

Also

If you’re using smair already

[south violet]

the 2s (or howeverlong it is) of no attacks isn't worth it I swear, you're better off using literally any other call-boon (even without smair)

[upper juniper]

You have at will iframes from call

That you can use defensively

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I did notice I had to play more carefully with butterfly artifact

[sly cove]

which is also part of why its good?

[sly cove]

idk man i definitely dodged a lot more with it than not

im not saying im better but like

[upper juniper]

?

All calls do this

[sly cove]

yeah

but you can iframe an attack and then get in dps when hes immobilized

like my acorn lasted all through phase 1 which never happens

[gloomy prism]

Does divine dash apply during dash strike?

[sly cove]

uh i think so

[upper juniper]

Yes it does

That’s how Merciful End builds can even function

because they rely on your dash-strike hitting first, to apply doom, and then the divine dash damage hitting immediately after

[gloomy prism]

Oh I wondered that. Sometimes I got the Athena on attack and the Ares on special

[upper juniper]

Dash striking just happens to be so much faster on literally every weapon that would run this 💔

Aside from zeus shield

[upper juniper]

Also just… more dps

[sly cove]

right yea

[sly cove]

dash specialling..

[sly cove]

MEus 😭😭😭

mf forgot abt raME

[upper juniper]

RaME functioning on the same level as Crit zag rail fr fr

[sly cove]

is raME really more mickey than MEus

[quiet acorn]

Meris on top

[upper juniper]

MEg bow >>>

[honest crypt]

can't imagine megaera using a bow

[quiet acorn]

😭

[gloomy prism]

Totally seems rng. Some runs I win and some I lose. A particularly bad one I tried for merciful end and got all Ares in the first zone and vicious cycle. The other run I won but with hunting blades and Athena Artemis duo

[south violet]

Unironically spread fire zagrail with shackle / high % / artemis attack goes hard

[gloomy prism]

Is there any sword that is more consistent than others?

[south violet]

arthur and nemesis stand out

[forest token]

The rng isn't too crazy if you aim for specific meta builds that aren't merciful end tbh

Most meta builds need like 2 or 3 boons

Not including Hermes

[upper juniper]

There’s a reason I didn’t mention spreadfire

[honest crypt]

should I take fiery or shadow for hera bow

[south violet]

There's shadow for the potential highroll of parting shot (for 85% backstab instead of 35%), but fiery is more conventional (hera does not struggle with lategame-damage, at least until 45h or so).

[honest crypt]

thanks

[sly cove]

ME is super rng heavy but genuienly rng does not matter that much

i think i could take any seed any aspect to a win at 32

does fiery work with dc because i remember seeing somewhere that it doesnt

[south violet]

The sane solution is to not worry about it and just switch to shadow presence anyway, as this play is always correct with DC on even if it does 😌

[upper juniper]

ME is the most rng dependent build that would be recommended here anyhow

[pulsar trench]

Why is merciful end considered so rng dependent compared to other builds?

Is it cause like it requires specific boons from the gods or js it just that ME itsekf is harder to get for some reason?

[languid notch]

ME is a lot stricter than most duo boons, as it requires ares or Athena attack and special, nothing else. Also it sucks so much if you don’t get it.

Like some other duos can use call, cast or dash, but NOT ME

As stated, there’s also an enormous difference between if you get it or not, so if you fail the end you have a subpar build

It has the same rates as the rest tho

[jaunty falcon]

As well as needing the attack, special and duo, you really also need divine dash for it to pop off

As well as a high rarity doom attack

[pulsar trench]

Hm

[south violet]

(^ except on zeus shield, where the dash is more of a "nice-to-have" rather than a must-have. special and attack both deal damage pretty rapidly, letting you have alright ME activation-speed without dash.)

[forest token]

The fact that the dash doesn't open the duo really just makes it harder bc some aspects don't even use the special so it's partially useless

And without the dash, ME is kinda bad (except on Zeus)

And also the immense want for impending doom lmao

For speed, it's necessary
For heat, it's not necessary but you'll complain a lot about not having the damage even tho you have the build lmao

Maybe not complain but like you'd be sad about it at least

[pulsar trench]

Okay i got it

[sly cove]

yea esp cuz ur early game is prob gonna be slow without all the core damage boons

[languid notch]

The fists can dash strike and dash upper in one go, so it’s not HORRIBLE, but it’s not great as you said.

[sly cove]

wdym dash strike and dash upper in 1 go

[languid notch]

You can dash strike and dash upper in one dash

[languid notch]

Like it certainly is still a damage loss but it’s not horrible

[sly cove]

wtf

i mean i dont play fists

[languid notch]

Ikr

Yeah I only discovered it a few hundred hours into the game

And I main the fists sooo

[south violet]

fists ME without dash is alright if you have kinetic launcher (fyi is only available on dem and zagfists)

but no, dashless ME is reserved to zeus only

[languid notch]

Agreed

[forest token]

Yeah it's a cool tech but it's still not great past asphodel lmao

It's useful, esp to hit a breakpoint but you can't really do that all throughout the run lmao

[languid notch]

Yeah I use it to supplement the damage loss until I can get the dash

Mostly used if I get lucky and get ME in Tartarus but don’t get the dash. I use it to one shot enemies in Asphodel until the keepsake can kick in

After Asphodel tho it’s just an eh build

(Without dash)

[ashen garnet]

Doing this a lot when running fresh file fists and it's super reliable thanks to the dupper deflect range

[finite sail]

Like Omega attack dash left click?

[upper juniper]

what

It’s like

dash -> strike button -> immediately special

I can’t remember the default binds for computer

[finite sail]

Ohh ok

[upper juniper]

As long as you special within a certain timeframe after a dashstrike it’ll still think you’re dashing and let your dash-upper on fists

[gloomy prism]

Is it possible to get below 20 minutes clear on 20 heat?

[south violet]

Easily, especially if you know what build-paths exist on the aspect you are playing, and if your pact is fine.

[jaunty falcon]

It’s possible to go under 5

[upper juniper]

Very

[gloomy prism]

Wow. I haven't been able to do it yet. Managed to do it in lower heat but not at 20 yet.

[upper juniper]

RT95 was not joking btw

There’s nothing fundementally different about 20 heat compared to 9 heat (the optimal speedrunning pack) that would slow you down and make you unable to drop a sub5

[low snow]

how many heat is considered to be high heat by the community?

[upper juniper]

Generally 32 is the lowest benchmark someone could be talking about, then 40, 45, 50, then individual heats after 50

[low snow]

nice

[sly cove]

sub5 😭

i mean the tart free room loses u like potentially 15 seconds

[languid notch]

It would have to be seeded for sub 5 but yeah

The world record Unseeded is 5:04 I think

[south violet]

SR modpack reccy is a sub5

[ashen garnet]

InGameTime is fake anyways

[south violet]

I feel like #h1-high-heat-strategies might not be the right channel to talk about how fake igt is given it's a primary source of resets

[ashen garnet]

Sorry, was just meant as a honest joke

[gloomy prism]

I tend to pick tidal dash to try and help with some speed. I'm still slow though. I'll try to find some videos to watch and learn. Likely I'm missing something, I tend to play conservatively and dash a lot and kite

[forest token]

Tbf that run could've been sub5 lmao
But yeah unseeded unmodded runs can definitely be sub5 given that unseeded modded runs can be sub5

[upper juniper]

Fair enough, and tbh the added danger from heat does force you to play a bit more carefully than before

But I’d say 13-16 minute clears are a reasonable goal

[shadow island]

Anyone have a really good sword build? Getting kinda bored with the cast pos one I've been using from 7-19 heat and wanna switch it up for 20

[upper juniper]

Nemesis usually runs either a crit build or Merciful End

Crit is: arty/aphro strike, special, heart rend, looking for hunters mark, and all the additive you can

Merciful End uses Ares Strike, Athena special, Merciful End, Divine Dash, and then throw in impending doom for extra doom damage

Double Edge is a top priority hammer

You want to be dash-strike 2x -> special -> repeat

[gloomy prism]

Ok I'll try. I take it things like those troves eat up time with the clock?

[upper juniper]

Troves do

Pausing while you’re making decisions about what room you want to go down

can help you deal with tight deadline better

in general Chaos, shops, and story rooms are your friends

[shadow island]

[shadow island]

I have about 210 hours in this game and I only just realized today that Thanatos encounters don't increment the timer for tight deadline

[forest token]

tight deadline also disables the 45 second survival rooms in tartarus

[sly cove]

heart rend nem

[gloomy prism]

Nice I got my first sub 20 minute clear on 20 heat. Used the Rama bow and Dionysus

[delicate knoll]

dio on special right? right???

[sly cove]

special only rama is unaruably the only way

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

[delicate knoll]

this reminds me of the support fire copy pasta lmao 😂

[sly cove]

well support fire is an edited copypasta

this is original

[delicate knoll]

i assume it's from early access days?

[sly cove]

i have no clue

u can search unaruably

to find it

probably

#h1-discussion message

[delicate knoll]

yep found it

[languid notch]

Are we ignoring Rama literally phasing some bosses

[delicate knoll]

glad to see it was written ironically

[delicate knoll]

nugget it's a copy pasta joke 😂

[sly cove]

i think divine dash is the only unironic copypasta

[languid notch]

Oh

R/ whoosh

sigh

[delicate knoll]

ooo what's that

[languid notch]

I’m gonna go sink into the walls now

[sly cove]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[delicate knoll]

ok in his defense, divine dash is pretty good

[sly cove]

this was under a reddit thread ranking every boon in the game i think

mightve been multiple steps or something

idk

[sly cove]

nasty dash

what was ea ddash called again

titan toppler?

[delicate knoll]

pffft

what a silly name

[languid notch]

The noob crutch of dashes (meanwhile I use it every other run cuz ME)

[sly cove]

dude why are do many dashes hot garbage

like

nasty dash and thunder dash are basically useless (nasty dash is negative)

[languid notch]

Because Tidal and divine dash are just broken

[delicate knoll]

"noob crutch" mfs when they roll a ddash in an ap2 50 heat run

[sly cove]

mistral is like

only good for applying chill

[delicate knoll]

tf is nasty dash

[languid notch]

Ok I stand corrected

Ares?

My guess

[delicate knoll]

dio maybe

[sly cove]

hunter dash is build dependent so it is literally dead weight on half of builds

[sly cove]

drunk

[languid notch]

Oh really?

[sly cove]

uhh

what other dashes are there

[delicate knoll]

because it's the weakest hangover source and overrides your other sources

[languid notch]

Ah

Makes sense then

[sly cove]

blade is solid

tdash ddash broken

oh

passion dash

also basically useless

[languid notch]

Literally there to apple weak

Apply

Not apple

[sly cove]

yeah but like

why

[delicate knoll]

i guess privileged status?

[languid notch]

No reason

[delicate knoll]

but who runs ps anyway 🗿

[languid notch]

This and Heart Rend is all

[sly cove]

why would you want your dash to apply weak when your attack or special can apply weak and get the highest % in the game

[languid notch]

Because you hate ur life

Or you use fists

[sly cove]

anyways i dont know how anyone runs 50+

[delicate knoll]

challenge run! dash only passion dash with gilgamesh 😳

[languid notch]

Me neither

[sly cove]

ap2 combined with ri seems actual hell

[languid notch]

Sadist

[sly cove]

well just put it on special?

[languid notch]

Ikr

[sly cove]

is this even possible

[languid notch]

Yes

Most definitely

[delicate knoll]

if you don't have tight deadline, technically everything is possible

[sly cove]

ive only done tidal dash only

i think it was on 32

but like

u have trash aoe trash damage and literally zero ramping beyond sweet surrender

although i guess u could always just pull vengeance

which is technically dash only

[delicate knoll]

mfw afk build is better than passion dash

[sly cove]

actually maybe i should run it

but i feel like dad pots would cook me

stubborn roots!

[delicate knoll]

that one athena trap damage reduction boon

steady feet?

sturdy something?

[sly cove]

actually scratch that i barely won with stubborn roots with chaos shield run 5 im not winning with gilga

😭😭😭

[sly cove]

smth like that

you know what would be funny af

revenge duo + cov + me

with ddash to trigger the the cov

[delicate knoll]

what was cov?

[sly cove]

curse of vengeance

[delicate knoll]

pffft

zeus revenge + jolted + zeus dem duo + stubborn roots

could actually work

[sly cove]

is there literally any damage from passion dash other than revenge boons and sweet surrender

cuz im blanking

[delicate knoll]

no 😃 👍

[sly cove]

do calls still qualify for dash only

[delicate knoll]

uhhh idk

[sly cove]

i assume no

cuz you know what

[languid notch]

Why notttt

[gloomy prism]

Yes

[quiet acorn]

well you cant use them

[gloomy prism]

Zeus shield seems really good

Any recommendations to beat heat 20 on fists? I am not that great at it yet. So far only the first fist helps me the furthest

[upper juniper]

It’s the heat aspect for shield tbf

[upper juniper]

Ngl I can really only recommend builds I can’t really comment on game sense w/ fists

aside from making sure you’re dash striking

[delicate knoll]

start zeus attack and look for static discharge

take caution with dash attacks, they make you lose iframes, don't spam them too hard

[gloomy prism]

Ok thanks I'll give it a try. Barely managed a 26 minute clear but I'll take it.

[sly cove]

zap or me

or whatever crackhead talos builds that are literally worse than eris but funny

[gloomy prism]

Zeus static discharge, lightning rod, I think I also got heart rend due to Aphrodite on special

[sly cove]

ok so i need help

i tried aphro start on luci

just for the hell of it

and i think i genuinely got the best possible build i couldve asked for

https://i.imgur.com/iPX5L1u.png

who told me to aphro start again

@south violet

what do i do now bro i feel like im so slow (4:30 exit even with god pulls and a than)

obviously theres like no point of forcing zeus right even with 6 rerolls do i just take tooth like i usually do

[upper juniper]

why is there no point to zeus strike?

It still blows up bombs for you and it just decent enough secondary damage

[south violet]

Yeah honestly you're fine here

[sly cove]

because im on ap2?

[south violet]

The idea behind special luci is that you don't ever have to stand still for extended amount of time, you just use 3 specials then dash into one of them

[upper juniper]

Oh nevermindd

[sly cove]

1/3 to get the strike even if i win the slightly >50/50 that its strike isntad fo cast

[upper juniper]

I did not know it eas ap2 lmao

[sly cove]

im kinda ass at this ngl

i missed a lot of specials into meg

if it was alecto i prob wouldve just died

also earlier with teleporting louts

[south violet]

Probably mouse strat only then, I can see how this'd be weird on controller autoaim

[sly cove]

nah i am on mouse

just skill issue

[south violet]

With 3 bombs and a strong special like aphro or artemis, furies get instaphased

[sly cove]

well its only common aphro

and i have 0 poms

[south violet]

This is true

[sly cove]

and im on cp1

[south violet]

Hellmode?

[sly cove]

ye

[south violet]

Makes sense, was about to say

[sly cove]

im not taking js3

actually js3 wouldnt even cut it

id need ri or em4 if no hellmode

cuz the rest of my pact bar cp is maxed

[south violet]

Wait is this ri0

[sly cove]

ye

[south violet]

That's crazy

Alright there's your issue

[sly cove]

i cannot deal with ri bro

no dark foresight?

AND no rolls?

[south violet]

Mate you need 2 boons

A special and a dash

[sly cove]

im not good enough for that

i literally have tidal and im still missing specials

if i had mistral or passion i wouldve been cooked

should i tooth cuz im kinda sloppy on lernie

[south violet]

Anyway, is this before or after selling a thing

[sly cove]

after

oih

athena is the other pool god

[south violet]

Lovely. Either tooth or collar probably. Can also athena instead, but you're on AP2 so I'd not exactly rely on this

(The idea behind collar is to preserve tooth for ely, in the event you want that)

[sly cove]

do ppl acc take collar aspho

oh

i guess that makes sense

id rather just have acorn and hope i dont play bad enough

[south violet]

Tooth then works 👍

[sly cove]

might run into time trouble in ely tho

cuz 4:30 exit is awful

i remember exiting like 4 flat and timing out with beo

[south violet]

Eh, half a minute is still reasonable imo

Leaving lernie with 2:30 left is what one can expect to have happen

[sly cove]

my dash keeps knocking them out of my special

gdi

this is cooked

im half a minute into the first room and i just killed the first wave

😭

[south violet]

Different strats work for different people, huh. Welp, it was worth an attempt

[sly cove]

yea not happening

holy i just survived lernie with 9 hp 😭

i really need to get better at this fight

dude what is my luck this run

cant get a single dash

14 min ely exit on 8 hp

😭

didnt get hit at all vs theseus

AND ARE YOU SERIOUS I ROLL OUT OF THUNDER DASH WITH MY LAST ROLL AND GET A SPECIAL REPLACE

YES

THANK YOU ZEUS

I REALLY NEEDED MY ONLY SOURCE OF DAMAGE GONE

and i cant get a replace back because demeter wants me to have nourished soul instead

[shadow island]

Are there are op fist strats for heat climbing besides merciful end?

[sly cove]

i did 40 heat with zap

[shadow island]

Zap?

[sly cove]

zeus atk any good % special (aphro preferably, aphro/athena/arti are all A) poseidon dash

its a lot less highrolly than ME

[shadow island]

Good, Imma go with that then, thank you

Getting bored with ME

Also too RNG for my tastes

[sly cove]

4 mins for dad with zero dps lets see how it goes

and i cant even finish phase 1

[charred niche]

For High Heat Fist runs I like working towards the Zeus Legendary through either his Cast or Attack.

Of course this with with running Lambent Plume on Aspect of Zagreus with certain pact combinations

I wouldn't recommend the Dodge Cheese Strat if you have Jury Summons enabled unless you're playing at your best

[forest token]

If you're gonna do Zeus on fists, go for his attack and not cast lmao

But also your priority should be static discharge levels, the legendary is a bonus

Static discharge is a lot more consistent and considered more useful

[shadow island]

How does it work exactly?

I don't quite understand the mechanic

[ashen garnet]

procs once a foe starts an attack (most foes attacks are cancelled if the foe dies from jolted in almost every case), does not incur any extra hitstun though

It's so good with poms and rare+ rarity that you can climb super high with much less rng than ME fishing

Counterintuitively, if fists atk is your main jolted applier, you want to let foes attack and not pursue full combo to proc jolted and it is very useful against armored foes (which makes BCross less desirable) and bosses

[sterile wave]

Is Hades spear good, btw?

[languid notch]

Nope

Nada

Top 3 worst weapons in the game

[sterile wave]

with Guan Yu and what else?

[languid notch]

Aspect of Chaos

Also Guan yu isn’t that bad

Bad for heat

But not the worse

[sterile wave]

Guan Yu is the only aspect I've never won with

[languid notch]

Really

[sterile wave]

Yeah. The health debuff makes Hades near impossible for me

[languid notch]

If you level it it’s not that bad

Only 50%

[sterile wave]

I have it on 63%😭 atp is it worth it?

[languid notch]

It’s should be fine

It’s only really viable with charged skewer tho

But it’s pretty good with it

[sterile wave]

How good?

[languid notch]

You one shot every enemy up to Elysium good

[sterile wave]

So like a quick Hestia basically

[languid notch]

Yup

More damage too

[sterile wave]

Is this with an Aphro boon or without?

[languid notch]

With

Or Artemis boons

[sterile wave]

I prefer Aphro for high damage, since a good Epic can get close to 200% anyways

[languid notch]

Plus weak is good

Cuz you have half health

[sterile wave]

30% less dmg sounds amazing

Bronze Skin, Different League, and a few poms later, you're invincible

[languid notch]

You wish

[sterile wave]

Really?

[languid notch]

U want invincible, go lament plume and aspect of zag fist

[sterile wave]

I am quite literally king of the fists

32 heat

What's your best weapon?

[languid notch]

Fists

…

But I’m more speedrun than heat

Only got 32 heat on the fists

[sterile wave]

me too

[languid notch]

Even then I’m just aight

[sterile wave]

wait i typed 42 mb

[languid notch]

Fastest time?

[sterile wave]

18😭

On Eris I got 13 though

You?

[languid notch]

Umm

8:57

[sterile wave]

HOW?!

[languid notch]

I punch fast

And hard

And kill stuff

[sterile wave]

merciful end?

[languid notch]

Yup

[sterile wave]

That explains a lot

I swear it needs nerfing atp

[languid notch]

Fastest time without it was 10:23

[sterile wave]

allow me to provide a non merciful end build to help you shred lower

[languid notch]

Already been nerfed

[sterile wave]

Again, I meant

Do you mean the dash one where they removed it as a req?

[sterile wave]

Athena Attack, Rolling Knuckle, Deadly Reversal, Battle Rage, Lambent, Rush Delivery. Thank me later

[languid notch]

That’s just an invincible build

[sterile wave]

But with crits, cuz Athena damage is so weak

[languid notch]

Ur only damage is ur special

Assuming ur using Demeter

Else you do no damage

[sterile wave]

no no i use zag

[sterile wave]

never tried demeter, should I?

[languid notch]

WHAT

that explains so much

YES

YES

ABSOLUTELY

[sterile wave]

Max it out or js buy it like Lucifer?

[languid notch]

OF COURSE YOU DO NO DAMAGE

Max

[sterile wave]

YOU'RE TELLING ME FISTS CAN BE BETTER!?😭

DEATH TO MY FATHER

PATRICIDE IS READY!

[languid notch]

THE FISTS DO NO DAMAGE ON THEIR OWN

THE RIGHT DEMETER BUILD CAN NIGH PHASE LERNIE

[sterile wave]

WHAT????

NO WAY

[languid notch]

Oh you sweet summer child

[sterile wave]

You stick an Aphro on the special?

[languid notch]

Or Artemis

Whichever work

[sterile wave]

we loading up the save rn holon

[languid notch]

My suggestion:
zeus attack
Aphrodite special
Poseidon dash
Go for smolderibg air and sea storm (more so the former)

You will be shredding most things

FYI Demeter isn’t as strong in its lower upgrades

And the phasing I mentioned earlier is with Artemis and a chaos boom

Boon

But still

Anyway enjoy

Bye

[upper juniper]

8:57 isn’t even like dedicated speedrunner speed in this day and age

[upper juniper]

Pretty much

Artemis is really nice to

Considering Explosive special exists and dash-strike +% applies to dash-uppers so you can easily get the +% you need from chaos

[south violet]

guan yu is a great heat aspect, wdym

it's one of the aspects to have a 64 heat (modpack) clear, proving it's possible unmodded too

[languid notch]

Oh really?

I didn’t know that

I assumed it was bad because of the health debuff and LC making the already bad spin horrendous

[south violet]

top 3 worst (overall, speed and heat combined) are probably gilgamesh fists, hades spear, poseidon sword. A few other aspects stand out for being either egregiously bad at heat or egregiously bad at speed, but have other redeeming qualities. zeus for example isn't fast at all, but THE meta-pick for high heat.

[languid notch]

Poseidon?

Really?

[south violet]

gy spin heal bypasses LC

[languid notch]

Not aspect of chaos?

[languid notch]

Woah really

[south violet]

chaos is really good at high heat by virtue of being a shield

you can block

[languid notch]

But at that point it’s overshadowed by every shield no?

[south violet]

damage is hot garbage but you can block!

[languid notch]

At least Poseidon has a small cast niche no?

[south violet]

beowulf technically has an earlier falloff point (it can NOT handle routine inspection 3 at all, it needs the bonus casts), but it's still overall solid at heat and dominates at speed sooooo

[south violet]

kinda? that cast niche becomes less and less viable as you increase heat, and barely helps at all for speed

poseidon sword was for a long time the statistically the worst aspect at high heat, tied with gilgamesh.

hades spear can be pretty okay at heat but hard-requires a specific hammer and is not easy to play because much of its damage is locked behind spin in high heat. it also doesn't have anyheat to save it, where it's considered one of the weakest as well partially due to lack of the flurry jab hammer.

chiron almost made the list but it's actually really comfy in heat if you get the stuff. IF.
oh, and it got promoted out of the speedrunning F-tiers ever since pseudotech was discovered.

[south violet]

making the already bad spin horrendous
this is also confidently incorrect, put an athena attack and good spin hammer (massive spin / quick spin, preferably both) on there and you've got yourself a discount shield block (kinda). oh, and pseudotech works on spins too which helps it further get credit from highheat.

[ashen garnet]

The aspect's mechanic has some potential with a crit build

[south violet]

serrated arty attack dadspear is a lot of fun tbf

(once you get the hammer, which is obviosouly significantly easier to do in modded)

unmodded pain though, while there are multiple options for branching out of serrated (exploding launcher, or triple jab + zeus/dio attack) it's still really hard to get to work without serrated assuming one is going for that strategy

[sly cove]

doesnt dadspear have spear wr

[upper juniper]

pretty sure it’s achilles

[sly cove]

wheres the heat website thing

someone pin ts

[upper juniper]

Seey this ain’t speed it’s GY for

Surep

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sly cove]

isnt this outdated

[upper juniper]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-eAhomftrsnM8BV6TMA4CA58wneoBLcAvlQXiYrGAnU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sly cove]

oh right gy has 64

im dumb

but before that i couldve sworn dadspear had record

or am i thinking of that one speedrun

i thought the speedrun was zagspear tho

yeah the speedrun is zagspear

[upper juniper]

Which speedrun

[sly cove]

the non achilles spear thats really fast for like no reason

[upper juniper]

Anyheat?

I can see a good enough zeus strike or possibly ME run blazing through

just fully ignore special

[sly cove]

yeah

nah i remember there was 1 spear that had rly high heat rrcord and one that had rly fast speed record

[ivory drum]

Zag spear ye

5:25 iirc

[sly cove]

i couldve sworn dadspear used to have spear heat record before gy happened

[forest token]

Gy had 62 or 60 from aether when the spin stuff was discovered

Achilles also had 60 iirc

Hades probably tied that I guess

[sly cove]

nah i swear this was before gy 62 even

wasnt gy record 59 or smth as a budget hestia

and i dont remember achilles being 60 either

[forest token]

60 did happen I'm pretty sure

Don't remember which gamer or when

[sly cove]

maybe 60

but this was before spin tech

[forest token]

Yes

[south violet]

(Bablo is the reason, and flurry jab existing helps)

[gloomy prism]

I tried Hades spear, barely used the spin myself (felt vulnerable while charging up), mostly just like regular spear. Same with Guan Yu spear, mostly just use the special.

[pulsar trench]

Yeah well i mean at that point with hades spear just use zag spear no?

Like if you try to make a specialist spear a generalist why not just use the generalist spear

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I was trying to make the spin work for both Hades and Guan Yu but it's tricky to find the space to charge up

[ashen garnet]

Probably Tailesque during early v1.0 era

[still flare]

spinning without having hammer who boost ur spin is risked and not worth

thats why hades spear is meh

[south violet]

this isn't entirely true. when using artemis attack serrated point strats (as seen in the modded hades spear WR), spin is your main form of additive.

[sly cove]

ok guys i got a question

how bad really is 5god pool

cuz i got zeus aphro arti rn and im at aspho midboss with athena shop and pos miniboss

i got hella money is it worth to buy athena

[south violet]

depends on the build you have, build you want to get and aspect you are playing

if you have an extended godpool but you have all the boons the aspect needs, then who cares

[sly cove]

luci

i still need jolted

but honestly thats a pipe dream and i got like everything else i need

(epic attack and blue l2 aphro special)

ig id appreciate a call

but apart from jolted and life affirmation and a call idk what else i even want from cores

[south violet]

jolted is kinda important though, not too out of reach unless we're AP2ing for whatever reason

[sly cove]

we are ap2ing

[south violet]

ok we have all we can hope for then

[sly cove]

dude i took c3 erebus gate LOL

knocked out the steam achievement for that and lost like a whole minute

😭

cuz i got hammer start

u think i should take athena then?

[south violet]

if you want, ddash / athena call is very safe

[sly cove]

https://i.imgur.com/Bw2XhJ9.png

i popped tooth on power couple

😭

usually im a nectar on eury always but considering pom porridge

[south violet]

frankly ambrosia isn't unreasonable either here, there are four good choices (attack to make it heroic to make it impossible to replace, special for damage, sure footing because taking less from traps is usually good, hyper sprint for longer duration

[sly cove]

true

i got attack and hyraulic

😭

not worst outcome

sub7 lernie exit

not bad

wtaf i instantly died to splitters 😭

shoulve roleld for ddash

🥀

gdi man

[ashen garnet]

The epitome of "PL is free heat until it isn't"

[sly cove]

yeah...

icl i didnt even realize they could do that much

[shadow island]

What's the best bow build to heat climb with so I can get all the pact rewards?

[delicate knoll]

all bow aspects are good until 20 heat, which one do you enjoy the most?

[shadow island]

I mean like, boons and what not, I don't use bows that often, I just want a build I can spam that's big damage and easy to get

I don't know what I enjoy, I don't usually use bows

[delicate knoll]

i guess the simplest is zagbow
start aphro attack and later take any arty boon that opens their duo, heartrend

if you have the hidden aspect, you can also run that with aphro attack, dio special and then their duo

[shadow island]

I have every aspect, I'm heat climbing so I can have the materials to max out every aspect

[delicate knoll]

yeah then those two are the easiest bow builds that give funny damage numbers

[shadow island]

Any hammers to go with it?

[pulsar trench]

Twin shot

Or triple shot

[shadow island]

Thanks

[ashen garnet]

Flurry shot zagbow with autoaim is pretty good for easy farming runs

If your only goal is to farm unlocks while retaining your original savefile, there are several ways to add currencies without grinding (mods/saveedit)

[gloomy prism]

Do the advancements do anything? I just rise in rank but no idea if it does anything else

[jagged kraken]

pretty sure it's just for looks

[upper juniper]

Resource director ranks are purely cosmetic

[sly cove]

run zeus

[south violet]

shoutouts to the shackle keepsake for working wonders on the non-hera bows too

(unmodded in particular since one can't guarantee the 1st boon)

[shadow island]

What's auto aim?

[shadow island]

I'm on switch

[ashen garnet]

It's a chore but still doable it seems (there is a guide somewhere I believe)

[ashen garnet]

The in-game aiming assistance

[shadow island]

Oh, I had that on this whole time, I didn't even realize it was a thing lol, over 200 hours in this game lmao

[shadow island]

I'm just heat climbing with every weapon to get all the bounties so I have the materials to buy out the house contractor and upgrade all the weapon aspects

[fluid panther]

ok what is a good POP build to get the final statue?

yk the one that is like 32 heat

[upper juniper]

The 32 heat guide should really help you with putting together your pact of punishment and mirror etc for it

[sly cove]

pop?

[upper juniper]

it’s pinned in this channel

Pact of Punishment I assume

[sly cove]

oh

[fluid panther]

i was skimming through it and it seems a little bit too much all at once yk?

[upper juniper]

Is it?

It was made after I had completed 32 heat so I’ve never read threw it as like

a learner

Iirc it’s like

Pacts to start off

gives some examples, some justification for some pacts, and then some “this is why these ones aren’t a good idea to take”

Then mirror w/ justification

Then builds for different weapons and aspects

I’m pretty much free for the rest of the night so I can help answer any questions you have

I don’t have the same resume as Bananas but I’ve been around for like 3 years and spoken with a lot of more experienced gamers, my heat pb is 40 and my time pb is 8:01

[fluid panther]

wait you beat the game in 8 minutes?

it takes me 30 just for 1 run!

[jagged kraken]

hell yea!
theres also a pact where you have less time LOL
imagine doing each zone in under 5 mins ;-;

[fluid panther]

ive been thinking about doing the mirror one

not too sure tho

[upper juniper]

Like

In-game timer is how the category is timed

but yeah

[upper juniper]

A bunch of the mirror options are just

better

like it’s not really a question

It’d be shorter to list the situational or personal preference ones

[forest token]

then go through it slowly lmao

it's only a lot bc the builds are like

90% of the guide

the pact and mirror is the most important part

then skip to the aspect you want to play, most of them are in there

if you dont want to read anything, you can just look at the pictures of the pact and mirror

and then the build for the aspect

which would be very fast lmao

[sly cove]

lock in

[languid notch]

If it’s IRL time that’s not that bad

[upper juniper]

It isn’t

[languid notch]

Ok then that’s just slightly above average

“Slightly”

Tbh I always recommend learning how to go fast

Because it lets you do tight deadline easily up to really high heat

Correction: fairly high heat

[upper juniper]

Speaking of could Ares and Athena stop bullying me

[languid notch]

Nope

[upper juniper]

Like

I’m just trying to get a build together

[languid notch]

It’s ME dude cmon

What do you expect

[upper juniper]

2nd athena boon is at the end of ely

endshop

[gloomy prism]

I'm still very rarely getting below 20 minutes. Sometimes I die because I'm playing too aggressively

[languid notch]

I’ve gotten runs where I see Ares ONCE

At the first chamber

[gloomy prism]

And I very much depend on kiss of Styx premium a lot

[languid notch]

I’d recommend slowing down and learning the games rhythm

Then just going as fast as possible

[upper juniper]

You can also like

[languid notch]

While keeping in mind enemy patterns

[upper juniper]

make an agregious pact

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I have best chance when I do, just tight deadline is a problem

[upper juniper]

and really slow yourself down

[languid notch]

Tbh I just go as fast as humanly possible and it works

[gloomy prism]

Sometimes I can't see everything at once, too many things flying around on the screen

[languid notch]

Divine dash entered the chat? Just a suggestion.

[upper juniper]

“As fast as humanly possible” last I checked you were not the holder of the sub2 completion

[languid notch]

Sorry, as fast as NuggetNly possible

[sly cove]

yeah sorry he keeps coming into my runs isntead

[languid notch]

GINME

GIMME

I NEED THAT DANG IMPENDING DOOM

[upper juniper]

Bu

[sly cove]

i dont need blade cast or curse of vengeance man

[upper juniper]

impending doom I just want ME vro

[sly cove]

im trying ro run luci

or uh

u2k

[gloomy prism]

Yeah I usually take that or tidal dash

[sly cove]

i wish i could never see ares again

[languid notch]

I run gods legacy so yeah

[upper juniper]

Demeter moment

[languid notch]

I have the problem of that but with Demeter

LOL

YOU TOO?

[sly cove]

idm dem bro give me more dem

i need a fkin % special

[upper juniper]

Dem try not to just be the least splashable goddess challenge

[sly cove]

i do NOT need zeus to replace my % special

[gloomy prism]

I tried vengeful duo, is it actually good?

[sly cove]

dem is v splashable bro most aspects have 1 thing they want % on and dem is passable

[sly cove]

no

[languid notch]

Cuz I get Dem so much
I just go Dionysus cast and aspect of Achilles

[upper juniper]

Nonlol

[upper juniper]

On most aspects it lowkey just interferes with builds ngl

unless you’re like

ap2 and your build is out the window

[languid notch]

She also has like no good duos

(Outside of casts)

[sly cove]

i am in fact ap2 and my build was out the window

[upper juniper]

EXACTLY

[gloomy prism]

On Demeter, I tried hard with fists and I'm too slow. It doesn't do like Dionysus or jolted or razor shoals

[upper juniper]

I said that cuz I know what you are

[upper juniper]

Oh lmao we’re talking about the goddess not the aspect