h1-high-heat-strategies

[uncut herald]

I need help in beating the game with 32 heat.
I had an average run ending at theseus though, have the picture of it too...

[broken echo]

What aspect and pact are you attempting with

[uncut herald]

I was running with The bow of Rama. can i send a picture to show the pact?

[broken echo]

Yeah it’ll probably have to be an image link

I see it

Oh boy that is a pact

[uncut herald]

I was mainly using Zeus with special to deal passive damage, when i saw opening I'd use close strikes. the explosive+dual arrow does massive damage

[broken echo]

Sure

[uncut herald]

not the best boons i could've worked with to be honest

[broken echo]

So Zeus on special is a pretty suboptimal way to play Rama

Artemis or Aphrodite on attack are the way to go for heat

Artemis especially gives a huge dash strike bonus and you should only be dash striking on Rama

I would do extreme measures 2/3, FO2, AP1, and more hard labor/lasting consequences

[uncut herald]

True, I prefer to have Aphrodite for attack. and either zeus or Athena for dealing with smaller enemies. and Poseidon or ares dash for aoe attacks against the explosive chariots and rats

i also am wondering if there are more optimal 32 heat distribution...

thanks

[forest token]

there's also a guide pinned here

[uncut herald]

didn't see that, thanks

[uncut herald]

Thoughts... had anyone done a boonless heat 32 clear?

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah

Boonless mirrorless has been done at much higher than 32

[uncut herald]

wow wow wait how do you do mirrorless and boonless?

[broken echo]

Hestia or zag shield

Shackle

I’ve done boonless 32 but not mirrorless yet

[ashen garnet]

Doable with anything, but needs some serious cooking

[undone tartan]

Yeah, I was working on 45 heat boonless just the other day actually

Boonless Hestia is WAY stronger than you might think

[broken echo]

Indeed

Zagshield also funny and safe

[undone tartan]

I’ve never tried it, but that would make sense. Too bad I’m on console so zag shield involves 30 minutes of hammer resets

[broken echo]

Rough

[uncut herald]

ooooohhhh just cast and shoot

[brave epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn3c4X599nw i believe this is the current record

[forest token]

yeah i'm pretty sure that's it

i couldn't remember if the record was 33 or 41 lmao

[broken echo]

Jazz had a 33

Former wr

But I feel like Zagshield could do 50 unmodded just resetting for cshot…

Angel did 50 modded boonless mirrorless already

[forest token]

part of the problem is that you can't take ap2 bc of rules

so the 5 heat is gonna come from cringe places

41 was fo0 so maybe fo2 would work but idk lmao

zag shield cshot with 1 dash isn't very safe

[finite cliff]

What's the ideal pact setup for 32?

[forest token]

there's a guide pinned in this channel that goes over the pact among other things

good pact would be like

[finite cliff]

Oh, heck, my bad.

[forest token]

hl5, lc4, cf2, em3, bp2, mm, uc, td3 or something?

i think i got them all lmao

either way it's in the guide

[snow harness]

I cant beat em3 with hl5… trying with less boon choices - more luck, less skill

[forest token]

what aspect are you doing

you could do like dc maybe if you're on like rail or fists

[snow harness]

zag shield

[forest token]

ah dc is kinda painful on taht

yeah ap1 i guess if you dont wanna do hl5

if you're accustomed to fo1 or 2 then you could do that instead of hl5

i've seen a few people do like fo1 hl2 or something

[snow harness]

Forced overtime is even worse… i have it at one yeah

I am bad at this game and just want my final statue

[forest token]

if normal rooms arent shafting you on fo1 then i'd recommend keeping that instead of ap1

ap1 shafts builds and it kinda just sucks lmao

[snow harness]

But the pool of purging one is good to take?

[forest token]

yeah bc that doesn't shaft build making

most of the time at least

it's not like every boon you pick up is gonna be important

just need to keep in mind that you need to have fodder boons

and save rolls if need be

[snow harness]

Okay… someday I will finally beat 32 heat perhaps…

[forest token]

realistically speaking you'd only need like 2-3 boons for a good build, not including hermes

[snow harness]

With other weapons speed was an issue… with zag shield thats not the case. Maybe i have time to play a bit safer at bosses

How tf do you get so good that you can beat 32 heat with every weapon/aspect. And even more heat on some

[forest token]

a lot of hours in the game lmao

just put in a lot of time into high level gameplay so i just got pretty good with most things

i speedran a lot and a lot of the mechanical skills transfers over to heat so that helped a lot

with the fo2 pact on 32 heat, it's pretty similar to speedrunning except a few more obstacles that aren't that big of a deal

for me it was bascially speedrunning but a bit more dangerous

but with the 40 and 50s stuff yeah that came from a lot of mechanical skill practice from a lot of hours either speedrunning or playing heat

[bleak grotto]

Bananas also wrote a guide!

[forest token]

yeah that's where they found out i cleared 32 on every aspect lmao

[undone tartan]

AP1 at 32

[undone tartan]

32 isn’t that bad

I don’t think it get that bad until 45+

Which is the earliest that I’d personally use AP1

[snow harness]

But i dont have skill so i have to rely on luck

[undone tartan]

Nah you got this

What are your favorite aspects

[snow harness]

My favorites… arthur, but i heard that bad for heat

Zag shield is good and i like it

One shot gun is fine

[undone tartan]

Arthur isn’t that bad, it’s definitely workable well past 32 heat. But it is harder than shields or Hestia

[snow harness]

Shield is what i tried it with… but bosses hit me to much with fo, and hit me once with hl

Im used to having much health

Which definitely is not the case with no healing and one dd

Maybe ill try with Hestia

[undone tartan]

If you see Patroclus, you can easily have 300+ health to spare in the Hades fight

[snow harness]

What does Patroclus give you when you only have one dd? Extra dd?

[broken echo]

Hestia is a really good aspect to do 32 on, and it was my first 32

Replenishes 80% of health

Instead of 30

[undone tartan]

Yeah he makes it replenish 50% more for a total of 80%

[broken echo]

Huge since it lasts until hades if you get a 2 sack

[snow harness]

What keepsakes are good? Skelly?

[broken echo]

Thats like 4? more hits you can take

[undone tartan]

Acorn is best with HL5 imo

With low hard labor, both are good

[broken echo]

Hestia usually starts tidal dash or Aphrodite attack

[snow harness]

How do you reset a run fast? I tried just quitting, but then it gives me exactly the same rng… do i have to die every time i want to reset?

[broken echo]

Yes, you have to die to reset your seed

[undone tartan]

Yeah

[ivory drum]

Download the modpack, it gives you a quick restart

[sly cove]

acorn is almost always straight up better

[upper peak]

Is hestia the safest weapon to clear 32 to 50 (just clearing , time does not matter)

[ashen garnet]

Kinda if you stay away from foes and don't want to benefit from efficient shield block

[uncut olive]

Thought on FO2 that +40% action speed seems scary but I feel like with many weapons it wouldn't make much of a difference

Also stuff like using stubborn defiance just doesn't make sense to me

Most rooms are barely a challenge, don't you want the DDs for papa

[forest token]

bp2 and fo2/hl5 can make rooms a pain in the ass

boss fights are way more consistent and not rng dependent compared to normal rooms

[hardy garden]

Its somewhat weapon dependent like with beo or hestia its a lot easier to avoid damage in reg rooms. Also with sd you can play more aggressively and have to worry less about time. Generally for players starting out in 32 heat theyll be taking damage in reg rooms

[upper juniper]

With LC4 and TD3 you’re a bit too time limited to kite enemies forever in every room and maintain your hp

SD becomes your main form of healing after you take a bit of damage

and with fo2 and hl5 all the regular rooms summed up becomes a bigger concern then a regular dad fight tbh (em4 is a different question)

[uncut olive]

Oh yeah I play with em4 because I find it fun

[upper juniper]

Even with em4, running lc4 with dd’s is

[uncut olive]

I'm running LC 3/2 though

[upper juniper]

~

I can’t really say much for lc2/3

I’ve never really run the midpoijt

[uncut olive]

I figured it's not that bad since you get hp from leaving rooms

[hardy garden]

Em4 40 is a lot different from regular 40 especially when youre adding fo2 and hl or not playing shield

[uncut olive]

So basically you'd do something like taking the 4 heat you get from LC and dump it into EM4?

And then you get healing and use DD?

[upper juniper]

I just wouldn’t

[hardy garden]

Ig, also take off cf, because gamers dont take cf

Lc1 would be fine

[uncut olive]

I like em4 though

Or did you mean you wouldn't use DD?

[upper juniper]

I wasn’t under the impression that there was a reason to take lc4 off

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1246273150807834825/Screenshot_20240531_182414_Chrome.jpg?ex=665bc9d1&is=665a7851&hm=067b51fc6647d5ce3ec19215b5e271004271e4861ead82fdf6e8b7f6890d464a& actually for 40 heat em4 i think id just do this with dd's, only kinda cursed

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1246281602204569665/image.png?ex=665bd1b0&is=665a8030&hm=5de0e09b87782227a61305db6f7ea57c743b146d45eca2e00fd94107e5aac880& yeah this works

[forest token]

just don't die fr

[next socket]

Whats considered high heat for this channel? I'm attempting my first 32 clear

[shy plinth]

The most commonly discussed topic in this channel is "how do I clear 32" 🙂

You're in the right place

Strongly recommend checking the pinned guide by Bananas

[broken echo]

What aspect?

[next socket]

I tried charon

My current highest clear is 16 heat

I will check out the guide

[hardy garden]

Chiron you mean?

[next socket]

I got to the champions in alyssium

Yes

I tried twice and both times I died at the same spot lol, the fricken champions move too fast with forced overtime

[broken echo]

Chiron is one of the worse aspects for heat starting out

It’s safe but the slow animations and overall lack of crowd control make it hard to deal with some pacts options

[next socket]

Which is good?

I did until 16 with chiron so fwr

Far

[hardy garden]

Beowulf, eris, or hestia would be easiest ig

[bleak grotto]

Can confirm Hestia: cleared 32 on the first try

[forest token]

hestia is generally pretty easy and straight forward

so you could use that if you have it at a good level

eris kinda depends on how comfortable you are with rail in general but it is really strong

and beo requires you to learn cast management basically and get used to it before it feels strong

[next socket]

I don't think I even have a clear with anything else

Maybe one clear on base fists

So yeah I'll be learning

[broken echo]

+1 to hestia

Was my first 32

[hardy garden]

Just remember to rebind if on controller because right stick to reload is kinda

[bleak grotto]

Steam Controller with a gigantic right stick gang!

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1246336650469183529/image.png?ex=665c04f5&is=665ab375&hm=60536d055242e7e6a863957ae9d9da687618f6bba22931609cf8018caa6378e6& Idk how to play this aspect

[forest token]

well you got the build lmao

and played it well enough to win

also a pretty good time considering you prob werent focusing on time

[uncut olive]

Are cast aspects like Beowulf or Hera viable without chaos/well items?

[undone tartan]

Yes

[uncut olive]

Huh

Guess I'm just not very good at using them still

[reef umbra]

What button do you like bind reload to?

[uncut olive]

I bound it to RT

[left prism]

I do L1

[forest token]

They're only bad if you're using trippy flare and on stygian soul, which needs more stones to be good

[uncut olive]

I really don't get how you play without DD

It feels like I'd just explode when I run into super dad

I need all of my DDs for him

And I really like running em4

[undone tartan]

Patroclus helps immensely.
You can also get an extra DD or two from Athena, I tend to go for that (using divine dash as my pre-req usually) if I’m not looking for any other specific boons, since I almost always run AP0.

[uncut olive]

But I only find him like a third of the time

I'm not really planning to play on more than 40 heat so I mainly want something consistent

[forest token]

lc4 sd is pretty consistent

what isn't consistent is em4 lmao

[undone tartan]

Yep

I really do not suggest EM4 until around 50

Even on Beo

[forest token]

you could do like lc0 em4 and run DDs but that depends on whether or not you can deal with bp2 hl5/fo2

[uncut olive]

Yeah fair enough I just want to run em4 as consistently as possible

I can also do LC3 since the healing is still pretty good

[forest token]

what else are you running that makes you do lc3

bc on lc3 SD is still better

[uncut olive]

HL2

Since the main problem is me dying the superdad

Wouldn't want to make the fight even worse

The main problem is that I'm just not very good at not dashing into the green pots

[broken echo]

Real

[uncut olive]

But yeah I get stunned and then I get hit by a spin and I'm joever

[uncut olive]

what do you guys think of this sort of setup as a baseline given I want to do EM4
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208018869764104194/1246576129104547861/image.png?ex=665ce3fd&is=665b927d&hm=bf47c3f087d7fc5b368e37d5e2e2736fda82bd5bc2487caf12955924fef91316&

[left prism]

I'd do td3 instead of fo2 maybe?

[uncut olive]

I'm not very comfortable with TD yet but yeah it's probably better

[forest token]

i'd do some cf if you want to lighten up some other pacts

[uncut olive]

isn't CF really bad since it's way less stuff you can get from shops?

[broken echo]

meh

only on some aspects

ideal high heat builds only need 1-2 core boons

[left prism]

I don't really like it but at the end of the day is not the worst

[broken echo]

i'm used to playing CF2 and making 1-2 buys per biome

not terrible once you get used to it

[shy plinth]

This is gonna be pretty difficult I think - lots of compromises to avoid taking td3 and that final fight will be brutal

I think you've gotten some fairly clear guidance that EM4 is a huge difficulty spike and will lead to less consistency than some more typically taken pacts - but if you insist on it, I would recommend dropping HL to 0 and going td3. I believe that also means you can go LC1. If you preferred, you could do HL1 LC0 instead. From there, you'll just get used to FO2 and figure out how to not die to dad

Personally speaking, I had a much better time of it when I went LC4 and learned it with SD - it took some runs to adjust, but then it was remarkably consistent once I reminded myself to actually do boss mechanics with heroes and dad instead of just facetanking like I'd gotten used to with DDs

[hardy garden]

just do lc4 dd's and dont get hit till dad

[uncut olive]

I also get hit by lernie depending on the RNG

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1246273150807834825/Screenshot_20240531_182414_Chrome.jpg?ex=665c7291&is=665b2111&hm=7cea7e6911114febc6ead6620f681ccba0ad7483113bf91a29bb843a09bd1518& this pact is optimal trust

[uncut olive]

he has some nasy combos

[hardy garden]

lernie and lernie heads always alternate between attacks which is good to know, like if a blue head lunges at you its next attack will be a slam and vice versa

[uncut olive]

I think I'm gonna try this for my next few runs
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208018869764104194/1246595499876946000/image.png?ex=665cf607&is=665ba487&hm=ec82050b0363e3bdc05de6b186292603b42d28f05a3dfcb1d95b40bf0c31b5b1&

as per @shy plinth 's suggestion

maybe replace FO2 with CF and HL/LC

[shy plinth]

Looks solid

This seems like it's worth trying

[uncut olive]

EM4 is so cool, I can't not use it

[shy plinth]

I mean. It's cool but yes you can absolutely not use it lol

It's wayyyyy harder than many options available at 32

But if you wanna do it, good luck!

[undone tartan]

It’s also poorly designed / balanced

in my opinion

[tepid wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930916402095849553/1246617518362067056/image.png?ex=665d0a89&is=665bb909&hm=f454e5377e8580610575d8950419ae1cc2ffc5b712fab4864c12b3153e5216c1&

Just beat 32 heat for the first time, and this is what I used

one thing you could change is so one more time pact, then take out either HL or LC, but I noticed in some unlucky runs I would have certain rooms take forever and i ended up losing one run to time running out during Hades fight

[hardy garden]

That is certainly one of the pacts

[forest token]

you'd run out of time bc you have js1, cp2, and dc2 on lmao

and you're on chiron

[tepid wind]

dc 2 with chiron hangover build does basically nothing

[hardy garden]

Ngl id take off dc just so i could tdash start and play bad zagbow

[forest token]

you're missing the initial shot which can do like 70-100 damage or something

not including fiery presence actually i think

which would speed up tartarus a considerable amount since you dont have to waste a special on every enemy

dc2 is less of a hurdle like past ely since the atk is less impactful, but you'd save a lot of time in tartarus and even asphodel

[hardy garden]

Yeah a lot of tart enemies die to a single attack when you dont have dc2 cp2

[tepid wind]

maybe far from meta but it worked for me lol, maybe 32 heat is secretly just easy 🤔🤔

[forest token]

considering how a lot of things can work for 32 yeah lmao

it's definitely way more manageable than most people think

[hardy garden]

32 requires far from perfect play or good rng

[tepid wind]

yeah, the jump from 16-32 wasnt bad at all, I think I only did 1 run in between that was like 20 heat

[undone tartan]

The higher heat you go, the more significant every point of heat is

I always used to say the jump from 45 to 50 heat is as big as the jump from 0 to 40 lol

[tepid wind]

the main hurdle for me was getting used to FO2, so I did a few runs with FO2+EM3, which made my 32 heat attempts far more managable

[undone tartan]

Nice

[tepid wind]

that makes sense

[broken echo]

Real

[upper juniper]

True! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1246671151699197952/5D9D9869-90EA-49D9-A5D7-D843FF9B608F.jpg?ex=665d3c7c&is=665beafc&hm=4de126fbde2f1457b6fb60141d86fe41c907e6aa432e11240d2789b8463f927d&

[uncut olive]

why?

it's mostly just a longer fight with better summons no?

[forest token]

different moveset

generally considered to be anti melee

anti melee that isn't a shield at least

the game already favors ranged weapons as is too

tbf i dont have that much experience with em4 so i can't say much on it tho

[snow harness]

Whats the probability of getting a 5 sack?… it ruined my best 32 heat attempt yet

[forest token]

like 2% or something lmao

deeply unfortunate

[uncut olive]

I think t's 50% for each chamber after the first one

[tepid wind]

the other day I got 5,4,5 sack 3 runs in a row, I was losing my mind

[uncut olive]

I mean 1/2^5 is more like 3% which is much better but still unlikely

[tepid mural]

Because of tight deadline?

[snow harness]

Yes

[tepid mural]

F

[snow harness]

Let’s go I finally did it! Never playing more than 20 heat again…

[tepid mural]

nice

[undone tartan]

Not a fan of 100 damage spear throws that pierce shields from close range and can just fly in from off screen

And that’s with shields, which handle the fight far better than any other weapon type

I honestly don’t want to find out for myself what makes the fight so bad with melee weapons, I think I despise the fight enough already

[tepid mural]

whats the topic again?

[undone tartan]

EM4

[tepid mural]

ah

yeah im not a fan of the spear throw from off screen, but i love the rest of it

[undone tartan]

The worst part by far is still the summons

[tepid mural]

spearpoint makes them okay from my experience

[undone tartan]

[tepid mural]

okay as in it stops them from murdering me

[undone tartan]

Ain’t no way I’m talking spearpoint on a 55 heat run

That keepsake is so bad

Sure it will help me with bballs and sneaks but it won’t help me with Hades’ 80+ damage attacks…

[tepid mural]

ok i was talking in 35 range, certainly not 55, my bad

[undone tartan]

EM4 before 50 is very unwise anyway

[tepid mural]

what keepsake are you using there

[undone tartan]

I will always take acorn into dad fight at HL5

[tepid mural]

and doesnt that get immediately deleted by a bbal, or doomstone?

[undone tartan]

Even if it blocks 4 butterflies and a spear throw, it’s better than tooth lol

[tepid mural]

oh yeah tooth is out of the picture

[undone tartan]

And spearpoint just doesn’t do hardly anything for dad himself

[tepid mural]

i just think phase 1 is the hardest phase, and spearpoint shines there

[undone tartan]

It still doesn’t shine against Hades’ actual attacks

[tepid mural]

but his actual attacks are easy to dodge, hence why phase 1 is the hardest

[undone tartan]

Phase 1 is hardest because summons are awful and borderline RNG. But even if spearpoint helps for the worst summons, I’d still much rather have a keepsake that actually helps for the attacks that do 80+ damage

[tepid mural]

i guess

[undone tartan]

Idk how much health you expect me to have but acorn can literally more than double the amount of damage you can take

[tepid mural]

it just gets eaten in 1 sec by a doomstone or bball, thats why i dont like it there

[undone tartan]

On my 53 heat run I got sneak + double bball and only lost a single charge in p1

[tepid mural]

i see

[undone tartan]

I just watched back that Hades fight and counted what my acorn blocked. It saved me from 2 spins, 2 spear throws, and a swipe, for a total of 437 damage prevented (counting the extra damage bc Beo, but not counting potential reduction from Weak)

I’d like to see spearpoint help even 1/5th as much as that

[tepid mural]

yeah i assume fo2 is in the picture here

[undone tartan]

I certainly wouldn’t suggest anyone ever run EM4 at high heat before running FO2

[broken echo]

It’s arguably good to run it early so you don’t end up in my position

Free 4 heat kinda

[sly cove]

there are some spearpoint truthers

doesnt stop it from being bad but some ppl will swear by it

[undone tartan]

Spearpoint 👎

[undone tartan]

Some people will swear by Olympian Favor

[snow harness]

Spearpoint BiS, helps with laser enemies

[sly cove]

ok but im talking about people who actually get to like 55+

[undone tartan]

Some people are just good. I’m sure you’ve seen Retrash builds

[sly cove]

true

[sly cove]

idts

[undone tartan]

Iirc 2-sack odds are either slightly more or slightly less than 50%

It’s been too long, I forgot which

[sly cove]

i think its 53

[broken echo]

spearpoint is good wdym

tbf holy shield is just a better version

[sly cove]

spearpoint is ass

[ashen garnet]

Spearpoint good with loads of HPs and damage reduction, even better if you are in situations where you can choose to get hit by the least damaging pattern

[upper juniper]

True! Even if you’re running HL5, you’re a hypersprint and a weaken away from regular game damage (51% dmg reduction)

[forest token]

just realized i should update the builds part of my guide lmao

[forest token]

@broken echo i just updated my guide with the 64 heat clears and builds, could you look at them and double check for me?

[broken echo]

For sure

Ye can also add that Zeus special is basically a soup build so it has more scaling options like earring, dio/zeus call, etc

[sly cove]

is first boon epic just a standard part of modpack now

[broken echo]

Not for the leaderboard legal modpack

Generally just used for high heat to minimize resets

Since we’re not submitting to the src leaderboards for the most part

[broken echo]

I’ll look at it more later/tomorrow

[forest token]

i dont think anyone reading the guide is gonna be taking earring lmao

the soup stuff makes sense

[broken echo]

Yeah that’s fair

@forest token you can add that in the Zeus combo, the dash strike will obv not have iframes so in some cases(like armored thugs) it can be worth doing a delayed dash strike or empty dash back so you don’t take damage.

Also you could elaborate on the guan yu spin tech

On that note, guan yu is tough to get out of Tartarus without an early quick spin

So yeah, doesn’t fare well

[forest token]

i do not know the tech enough to elaborate on it lmfao

[broken echo]

Oh fair enough

[forest token]

makes sense

[broken echo]

I’ve done it on guan yu. What I’ve found is that you dash strike into a spin and then press special

Zag will kinda stand there with the charging effects

[forest token]

aight ill add that part

so dash strike into the spin and hit special to do the funny thing?

[broken echo]

I think?

[forest token]

lmao i'll have to test it

[broken echo]

Yeah go for it

Just mash buttons tbh

[forest token]

true

[forest token]

wait this is actually so much easier than i thought

[broken echo]

Ikr

It’s literally just normal spin but add a button

Super easy once you get the rhythm down

[forest token]

okay i just figured out how to do it on bow and it's much harder lmfao

and much more stressful

aight now that i figured that out im gonna do a guan yu run

actually im too lazy ill do it tmrw

[sly cove]

wdym the charging effects

like ur special gets a damage boost?

[hardy garden]

Like instead of doing the spin windup animation zag just stands there but your spin charges

[sly cove]

o

what do u get from that tho

[hardy garden]

https://youtu.be/pTelcLtfMG0 it looks pretty funny

Its from the spin cancel tech you just dash strike, press special while you keep holding attack and the spin charges faster

[broken echo]

Yeah it’s basically a timesaver

[forest token]

yeah it's noticably faster

and it's really easy to execute so it's worth learning

[rough obsidian]

Whats the max heat 32?

[snow harness]

64

Good luck ever clearing that unseeded unmodded

Someone has done it tho

[rough obsidian]

Bruh

I just wanna playnuim gane

Game thats it

Mol

Lol

[broken echo]

Modded makes it a lot more straightforward to get high heat clears

[rough obsidian]

Im pst

No moddin here

[broken echo]

Ah rough

[cursive portal]

im confused do you wanna just get the final trophies

the game only requires you to get 16 heat

32 heat is just another ingame statue, there isnt an achievement

[forest token]

two people

[forest token]

you only need 16 heat for that

32 heat is only an in game reward

[rough obsidian]

67 heat is impossible fr?

[broken echo]

You can’t input 67 heat into the game

[rough obsidian]

So its a mod?

[broken echo]

Mysterra has beat 80 heat with a mod that allows more heat though

??

Where are you seeing 67 heat

[snow harness]

64 max without mods

[cursive portal]

he's trolling

[broken echo]

He’d fit right in as a heat runner

[hexed sapphire]

lool

[severe hazel]

Hello what is the best condition for Heat 8 ?

Im talking about hades 1 you bot

[undone tartan]

It’s automatic in every channel

[severe hazel]

Lol

[severe hazel]

So what is the best setup that i can do for the easiest heat 8 ?

[undone tartan]

Idk maybe TD3 and middle management

[severe hazel]

I mean like if someone could maybe give me all the setup with all the heats 😅

[undone tartan]

Tight Deadline 3 (6 heat) and middle management (2 heat)…

[severe hazel]

Oh

My bad still new to this thx

[left prism]

The abbreviations for the pacts are pinned here btw

Along with a few guides, that while intended for 32 heat, still tell you a few good pacts for lower

[severe hazel]

Thx

[median pewter]

what’s an easy 3 heat

and 6 heat

[undone tartan]

Tight Deadline 2, Tight Deadline 3

[median pewter]

I can do TD2 w Hera maybe but 3 is a little too high

for me

[undone tartan]

Do you pause while making decisions and prioritize free rooms (shops, story rooms, chaos)

And also avoid any pacts that add enemies or give them health

[broken echo]

EM1, UC are free

[median pewter]

yeah

what are story rooms though

[undone tartan]

Like Sisyphus

[median pewter]

like Sisyphus and Eurydice

oh okay

[undone tartan]

UC is kinda annoying compared to MM

What’s the scariest MM miniboss anyway

[median pewter]

what does underworld customs do again

[hardy garden]

You have to sell something every biome

[median pewter]

ohh

okay

[broken echo]

Power couple…

[undone tartan]

If you have meg they should be fine

[broken echo]

The timing is so sensitive though

[undone tartan]

That’s fair

[broken echo]

And I think skull crusher does like 80 damage in a slam

So yeah it’s rough

[upper juniper]

80 with hl5

There’s no shot he’s doing 160

[plush vault]

just tried running chaos shield on 32 heat and it went way worse than any other 32 heat run I’ve done

using the powered up special seemed clunky and not very helpful even with zeus boons, should I just ignore special and go full attack?

[undone tartan]

Yeah

Chaos is just bad zag shield

[plush vault]

rip ok

not even hangover on it is better than just going full attack?

[broken echo]

Oh yeah I meant with hl5

[broken echo]

P much

Chaos and zag have both done 62 with basically the same build

You can do aphro cshot or arty cshot and fish for additive

[hardy garden]

Zeus special is better imo, hangover kinda slow. But like just play charged shot

[undone tartan]

Wouldn’t you only get one lightning bolt?

[hardy garden]

Yeah but you get the power of fo2 jolted

Also better with explosive return or dashing heave or whatever its called

[undone tartan]

Wouldn’t flat damage be better with ER

[hardy garden]

Zeus is flat

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1250894204553400391/image.png?ex=666c9982&is=666b4802&hm=5cf1631bb66c77e71155ace184a0b98315ff2e89cdd3966e041bd05f497161cb& like zeus has access to far better duos and has much better crowd control than hangover which only stacks quickly if you shotgun. Also zeus special can completely ignore the bullrush special which wastes a lot of time both bullrushing and waiting for all the shields to return

also classic zeus not appearing again until late elysium and 0 jolted poms

[undone tartan]

Oh I meant %

[hardy garden]

I mean you arent putting aphro special on chaos

But like zeus does better with er than hangover

[ebon raven]

I'm trying to get the skelly prizes, what are the recommended 8 and 16 heat configs to try and get the achievements?

[plush vault]

does guan yu just… suck without charged skewer? idk if I’m just not playing/building it right but my dps is trash every time I don’t get it

[jaunty falcon]

Spin builds are pretty good, in fact thats the strategy at the highest heats

[broken echo]

There’s a guide pinned here

[broken echo]

Special guan yu sucks without charged skewer yeah

You’re basically missing out on potential 90 additive which will add up over time

[plush vault]

I’ve cleared all aspects at 32 heat… except one

hecking guan yu

[small cedar]

I used guan you twice and never touched it again. You basically have to aim for a no hit run and I’m not that much of a masochist

[left prism]

Just use stubborn defiance

[upper juniper]

Tbh the more you play heat the less daunting no-hit gets given hard labour and lasting consequences

and Guan-yu is exceptionally good at no-hit given it’s innate range and damage on special

[forest token]

Assuming you get charged skewer

[upper juniper]

It’s kinda just base bow strike w/ special additive otherwise

[forest token]

It feels really clunky to use without it and the damage is pretty mediocre

[undone tartan]

Good times https://youtu.be/5PfEYl-EYl8

[undone tartan]

Still felt significantly harder than Hestia

[surreal heron]

I hop into this discord server every month or so and I see you guys slandering Guan Yu. Just spin lol.

go suck aphrodite's mammaries, I am talking about Hades 1 ya git.

[left prism]

Poor bot lmfao

Is just automated to keep the msg at the bottom

[surreal heron]

yeah I noticed, I don't really come here often anyways so it doesn't bother me much.

wow thanks, sorry but could you remind me which game this channel is for? Is it Hades 1 or Hades 2?

[bleak grotto]

You'd be surprised just how many people wandered into these here Hades 1 channels looking to discuss Hades 2

[plush vault]

I’ve been using stubborn for all my 32 heat runs

anyway

I did it!!

the other 23 aspects all took me no more than 2 or 3 tries to clear at 32 heat

guan yu took me over 20

tbf though I think rng was kinda bad, I only got charged like two of those 20+ runs (and my winning run didn’t even get it)

I feel like the guan yu dps is just really mediocre without either charged or quick+massive spin

eventually I just stopped trying to pick spin hammers and went full serrated point dash strike build lol

ig it’s practice though for when I crank up HL to 5 for 40 heat

[surreal heron]

Big congrats!

And yeah, I've been playing a lot of Guan Yu recently (in hypermodded tho), and not getting the hammer quickly can tank the run

[lapis tusk]

Guan Yu was definitely the most painful aspect to try & use in H1 from what I remember

[undone tartan]

I very much do not agree

[sly cove]

at that point its gotta be skill issue or smth

[shy plinth]

I could see the argument that Guan Yu is probably the hardest aspect for most people to clear if they're not familar with it, but there is def a skill element to it

Good Guan Yu players are pretty fun to watch. (I wasn't one of them)

It was def the last aspect I got a 32 heat clear witha nd it's pretty punishing, but it has high output - I don't think there's as much wiggle room with something like Chaos Shield

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252129384534511626/image.png?ex=667117dc&is=666fc65c&hm=9f9e54c3010c1bb52a79c69ed0b72b15224e708c44472bc053628de764e0e9d5& gy is aight

youll die if youre sneezed on but the damage is fine

like 1 min heroes 2 min dad playing safe

though tbh its flat damage soup

[shy plinth]

Yeah like... GY is really punishing and there are better aspects but it has the damage output to win at higher heats

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252138368242946079/image.png?ex=6671203a&is=666fceba&hm=80190a1b6f65dd69139550b2bb0c0d745ae05b1b1e97fffcd539cd13545859a9& athena dd moment

also I hate elite chariots I hate elite chariots I hate elite chariots

[undone tartan]

What’s wrong with an unstunnable enemy that moves faster than you and deals contact damage

[broken echo]

Yeah they suck. I usually dash through them or across gaps

[plush vault]

tryna do 40 heat and... ap1 is continuously making me sad

[shy plinth]

Why ap1 on 40?

[hardy garden]

ap bad

[shy plinth]

Feels like I'd start with HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3 and then the last couple points can be some combination of DC, JS, or HS if you're feelin it

[hardy garden]

cf1 gang

[shy plinth]

I mean I'd rather CF0 lol

[hardy garden]

real, with cf1 half the time im like 10 gold short of a boon

[plush vault]

I did this but instead of putting any points in DC/JS/HS I'm doing AP1 (unless playing fists/rail then run DC2)

honestly AP1 was not bad for zag bow and hestia since I could chunk with really any good attack boon and a good hammer as long as I got them, the rest didn't seem to matter too much

but it's screwing me over rn
just now in my current run I started aphro, heartbreak strike was crossed out and didn't get on reroll
then I bought hermes in shop and epic greater reflex was crossed out
then I found dio later and epic aid was crossed out and rerolled and rare aid was still crossed out

so yeah I might just go DC2 instead

[left prism]

AP moment

[shy plinth]

The emotional damage from AP is just not worth it lol

[plush vault]

mirage shot crossed out 🤡

[left prism]

What wep is this even

[plush vault]

zag shield
not like I'm really using the cast but it would be funny and at least I could sell it...

(the other options were not useful)

[left prism]

Unmodded zag shield sounds so not worth it

[plush vault]

eh I mean it's 40 heat I've not been having too much trouble completing aspects in 5-10 runs at most so far

less than that really

also switch so no modding

MIRAGE SHOT CROSSED OUT AGAIN

[broken echo]

Why do you need mirage on Zagshield

Just play modded and start cshot

[plush vault]

I don't it's just funny

I'm not playing modded

[broken echo]

Oh lmao

Just my recommendation

Any level of AP sucks when getting a starting boon

[broken echo]

My bad, I didn’t see this

[hardy garden]

Even on hestia you dont want ap

Getting clockets or zeus/dio call smair is a free win and getting trolled by ap1 blocking tdash or aphro attack wastes rerolls

[broken echo]

Ehh

On 40 speed I guess

But for highest heat clear where you don’t care about speed, it’s fine and can alleviate pressure elsewhere

[hardy garden]

Idk 40 heat ap0 hestia is more consistent imo

Sure you have to run js3 instead of js1 or something but js3 is free just start tdash

[plush vault]

lol ok well I just won the zag shield run anyway

[hardy garden]

With ap0 youre way more likely to get stuff like rush delivery, greater reflex, smair, good hammers, tdash + razor shoal, athena dds, good chaos, not losing all your rerolls because heartbreak strike keeps getting crossed out

[broken echo]

I guess yeah

[undone tartan]

Zag shield is like the worst aspect to do AP on….

[broken echo]

Modded it’s fine

Unmodded sucks though

[hardy garden]

Yeah thats modded

[undone tartan]

3/12 chance to 2/12 chance

[hardy garden]

Last time i did a random dem 45 and ap1 crossed out zeus attack 3 times in a row

[plush vault]

idk I mean I did get charged shot in elysium but I basically never used it, my dps was entirely dashing wallop + arty attack + tidal dash

but this is 40 heat not like 50+

[broken echo]

In an unmodded situation yeah

I guess my experience is making me think of 40 as a stepping stone to 50

And AP0 50 is kinda rough

So you can’t look for instawin stuff like rd and clockets because AP becomes a more reasonable take

[hardy garden]

Yeah dont do ap0 50 unless youre fine with fighting superdad

[undone tartan]

Thats why you stop at 45

[hardy garden]

Real

[undone tartan]

The sweet spot

[hardy garden]

48 hestia kinda fine tho

[undone tartan]

49 Beo is also fine

[plush vault]

aight well I'll try js2 instead of ap1 for a few runs

[plush vault]

NOOO I was so close to beating 40 heat nemesis blade first try

Hades had ONE HIT left on last phase

I got 4-sacked too

[plush vault]

tried 9 more times and didn't make it past asphodel once 🤡

(also haven't gotten double edge a single time either 🤡)

[sly cove]

kid named hesty

wait

im stupid

[sly cove]

just do 50 atp ngl

[sly cove]

shouldve played modded

[broken echo]

Switch so no modded

[sly cove]

L

[plush vault]

it took me 30 tries and most of those attempts died to meg/alecto, but I finally did 40 heat nemesis blade with... lightning rod spam lol

idk if lightning rod + jolted spam and kiting around scales up to ultra high heats but it sure worked for me LOL

oh the other thing that I did on my winning run was I turned HL5 down to HL3 and took both JS2 and AP1

[jaunty falcon]

It is good damage and very safe but is not reliable to go for at high AP and RI

[plush vault]

yeah with AP2 I figure not

[jaunty falcon]

Absolutely viable at 40 though

[plush vault]

I got in in tart on AP1 though which was nice

HL5 FO2 EM meg/alecto with sword is pain

(and I still didn't get double edge lmfao)

[plush vault]

went AP1 and saw splitting headache crossed out 3 times 🤡

[hardy garden]

> takes ap1
> hammer start: cursed slash and flurry slash
> doom attack crossed out 3 times in a row

[broken echo]

Such is the life

[plush vault]

doing chiron 40 heat:
> get 2 sack in styx
> run out of time fighting dad
> get 2 sack in styx
> run out of time fighting dad
> get 4 sack in styx
> beat dad within time
> ???
> profit

[broken echo]

Unmodded life

[upper juniper]

Tbf you kinda asked for timeouts by using chiron

[plush vault]

I mean I'm just tryna do 40 heat on every aspect

[upper juniper]

Fair enoug

[plush vault]

absolutely dreading the spear though

[upper juniper]

It’s just not very conducive to sucess

Spear is my bane for heat tbh

Every other weapon I’ve cleared with 32 or 40 heat

Spear my max is 20

[plush vault]

spear just seems like the most hammer dependent to me

and I'm playing unmodded

[upper juniper]

Same

Tbf an achilles build should be less hammer dependent but everythjng else

[hardy garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252790310124261426/image.png?ex=66737f65&is=66722de5&hm=f4ab9df42c53b9aa7944fe91bd51cd5d1ae202d070bcd8f6953df525751ec516& I love it when elysium voidstones decide to run outta bounds and the game gives me three ely rooms with nothing but armored shield bearers

also tony

also common doom sucks

[upper juniper]

I can do something silly stupid like shackle gilgamesh at 32 and not achilles or guan-yu with meta builds

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1250564181946536158/IMG_8707.jpg?ex=66734f27&is=6671fda7&hm=8957c615f14a4d265f18b121a75af9d3d2b094dc599dffa302aef1ef3ad99ae4&

[plush vault]

I'm not good enough at dodging for guan yu 💀

[upper juniper]

Gy has been my closest

attempt

I died like a minute overtime on Hades cuz I had everything but damage

[plush vault]

yeah idk how to kill things with non-achilles spear without exploding+charged or serrated pt lol

[upper juniper]

He had like 25% hp left too

[hardy garden]

zag spear 40 aint bad with flurry jab flat damage soup

[undone tartan]

Lol I have 3/4 spears left for 45 heat, and only 4 non-spear aspects

Zag and Hades are both good if you get both exploding launcher and charged skewer

[plush vault]

yeah this is how I hella cheesed 32 heat zag spear

[undone tartan]

Definitely do AP0 for those

[hardy garden]

Bruh why is asterius spinning so much today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252802123595513939/image.png?ex=66738a66&is=667238e6&hm=7de042f889ff8a73f843fd1374b785f373d13088be1995a41ea9bc42d84abb4c& also ngl aphro attack aint that bad

Why game giving me tony two runs in a row

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252804357032902686/Screenshot_285.png?ex=66738c7a&is=66723afa&hm=2720391552e307e959e6c1bcbf359b7f1dad9be3a852d99de404402192883569& tdash moment

yeah just start tdash then youre pretty flexible depending on what tart gives you, can go any decent attack, can go flurry jab, can go explosive launcher route, can go smair or seastorm or something

[harsh trout]

how did you win this looks so trash wtf 😭

[hardy garden]

Tdash is op

Also athena call op and funny skips

[harsh trout]

dam n

see guys the spear isnr hammer dependent

[hardy garden]

We dont talk about the previous two runs where i got murdered in aspho cuz of skill issue

[harsh trout]

[broken echo]

@sturdy wren pinned guide here

And if you ever end up pushing past 32, the speedrunning server has a heat channel

[sturdy wren]

Interesting

Probably not gonna have the time to get super-duper good at this game

(Well, I hope I won't have that time, in a way)

But the extreme measures bit at least seems...fun, like a big change rather than "The enemy has more HP and hurts you gooder"

[broken echo]

Nah it doesn’t take super long to start pushing heat

It’s mostly learning good builds and basic enemy patterns

[forest token]

someone beat 50 heat at 40 hours in or something lmao

so like if you want to do it then you can

[broken echo]

Nah that’s mega outlier

[forest token]

lmao yeah

[sly cove]

idk if i even beat the game 40 hours in

depends on hiw much time i afked ig

[plush vault]

40 heat poseidon sword:
> get lightning phalanx
> die
> get exit wounds and snow burst
> die
> get lightning rod and +2 cast stones
> win

[broken echo]

Yeah just to clarify for everyone, this guy started on a maxed save.

[forest token]

Oh he pulled a bigp but for heat

[plush vault]

dang I almost won a 40 heat zag spear run with vicious+charged skewer and arty special/hunter's mark/heart rend

would've been cool to win on a skewer build that didn't have exploding launcher

[surreal heron]

That's rough buddy

[timber harness]

I read Banana's guide that explains this a bit but I'm still a little confused: how do you take advantage of Athena's boons that replenish a DD when you take SD? Do you clear a room and then purposely die before you take the Athena boon? And then does that boon carry over, so say for example if you have lucky tooth do you get three "lives"?

[shy plinth]

Yes. You pop the stubborn defiance, which empties your defiance "slot" in the corner of the screen. Then you pick up a regular death defiance

The stubborn defiance refills on top of the death defiance you picked up

So that athena defiance sticks around

You're basically adding a slot

[timber harness]

Okay thanks. But you have to have used your stubborn defiance when you take that boon, right? So purposely die in an Athena boon room?

I'd love to go SD as I'm working my way to higher heat but I hate the Hades fight and feel like I'd need an extra life for it

[shy plinth]

Yes

You have to die first to make room for the DD so your SD can refill on top of it

Nothing wrong with getting used to SD, it teaches you to tighten up your boss fights for sure

[timber harness]

Okay, thank you

[shy plinth]

Really Hades as a fight is more about getting a build together (and not getting hit by sweeps)

You get good damage output and dodge the big hits and you'll be fine

Also if you're taking EM4, do not lol

[timber harness]

I'm not taking EM4 lol. Thanks for the tips

[forest token]

yeah the purpose of SD is to have cleaner boss fights and more messy combats

with bp2 and hl5/fo2, rooms can be pretty nasty and you dont want to burn DDs on those

[timber harness]

Yeah this is exactly why I want to switch to SD. Just need to get my Hades fight cleaner

[sly cove]

i mean patty is more hp than a second sd

so thats kind of a middle ground

[timber harness]

Yeah makes sense. I cleared 25 heat using SD which is my highest. I died a lot. I'm a believer in SD but I just need to get better at killing Dad. Anyway, thanks again for all the help. 32 heat soon. I feel it

[plush vault]

after clearing 45 heat zagbow in one try I decided to try my luck and attempt 50 heat zagbow

it... is not going well

I've made it to elysium a couple times but die in the first room or two :<

[broken echo]

Real

[plush vault]

45 heat still feels like a reasonable difficulty though

I might try all aspects 45 and then... do 50 once maybe and then call it quits

I thought I'd be done after 40 all aspects but honestly I still don't feel like I've really fully explored the build potential of each weapon yet

maybe I'll try EM4 instead of AP2RI1/AP1RI2

[timid merlin]

Hi! Does anybody know if you get a dialogue when you:

Finish all the 20 bounties per weapon?
When you maxed out all the slots of the Mirror of the Night?

[plush vault]

not sure about the bounties but I think I got a dialogue with Nyx after maxing the mirror

[timid merlin]

Thanks. I just finished the ranks and I am only missing the maxed mirror and some 20 heats bounties. I was torn between doing that or moving from the game. Been playing casually and exclusively for two years.

[ivory drum]

You got unseen one but haven't finished the mirror?

[timid merlin]

Yeah. With finishing I mean to buy every single upgrade from the mirror (both options for each perk).

[ivory drum]

This may be one of the most based things I have ever seen a person do

[timid merlin]

Well. I just learned that there is a dialogue if I do finish it. 😅

[surreal heron]

It's up to you but doing em4 is easier said than done.

The consistency of EM4 is very weapon dependant (shields and ranged weapons are generally alright but melee weapons at 50+ heat are painful)

[plush vault]

yeah I’m trying to do it with bow so it might be okay

I wouldn’t dream of doing 50 heat em4 with like sword or something lol

[hardy garden]

Id prob try hestia or beo 50 first

[broken echo]

beo>hestia for first 50 just bc it's a shield i think

[plush vault]

I despise beo

maybe with hestia

I’m just best with the bow

[ivory drum]

Why?

[plush vault]

the playstyle is just very clunky to me

[ivory drum]

I guess not everybody has 700 hours of straight beo to work out the clunky feel

But I guess for heat I could recommend sudden rush to help

[undone tartan]

Beo felt clunky to me at first, but now it’s my favorite aspect and basically the only one that I can go above 50 with

It felt slow at first and now my speedrun pb is using it

[ivory drum]

Learning cast management for the first time kinda sucks

[plush vault]

I would probably like it a lot better if the rush went through walls/gaps like dashes do

[ivory drum]

Cshot has entered the chat

[broken echo]

beo is clunky to me too yeah

don't really like it for speed atleast

[ivory drum]

I would recommend learning scooting for speed, it helps a lot with mobility and repositioning

Also can be useful for non Ri3

[broken echo]

i see

idk i play RR on beo anyways

[ivory drum]

Based

[bleak grotto]

Beowulf feels clunky until you find a nice keybind for Cast. Just get yourself a controller with back buttons!

[broken echo]

Or play kbm

[undone tartan]

Nothing wrong with L1 cast

[ivory drum]

L2 cast gang rise up

[left prism]

My beo binds are weird

(switch controller)
Cast on Y/attack Zl

And for hera I swap them

[ivory drum]

I may or may not have confused my bindings

[broken echo]

personally i just bind everything to one key and keep pressing that key

[plush vault]

shackle hestia on 50 feels like a wet noodle

[forest token]

It should be relatively fine in tart and aspho but falls apart in Ely lmao

[broken echo]

yeah it's not great

just start aphro

unless you're doing boonless intentionally

[hardy garden]

I have r1 cast r2 special

[plush vault]

ugh I lucked into epic aphro attack and heroic (via eurydice) battle rage

and then died to lernie

[hardy garden]

Hestia?

[plush vault]

yeah

[hardy garden]

Uh do you know the lernie attack pattern trick

[plush vault]

i do not, what’s this

[hardy garden]

Lernie and the miniheads always alternate moves so if lernie shoots stuff at you or lunges itll be followed by a slam and vice versa

[forest token]

Oh that's how that works lmao

I've just been rawdogging it

[broken echo]

I think we probably have an intuition about what attacks to expect

But I didn’t know it was a coded pattern

[forest token]

I mean I'm mostly just using the wind ups lmao

Knowing that it's hard coded like that is gonna make it a lot easier

To get the hell out of the way from a head if the next one is a head slam lmao

[hardy garden]

Its pretty helpful for the blue head spawns

[surreal heron]

Yeah I imagine bball would be constantly killing your runs leaving you to constantly get to phase 3 then die on killer pace...

[surreal heron]

my first 50 heat was hestia since you don't really need anything to get the build functional

[hardy garden]

actually specifically last phase blue lernie can just spam slam i think

[broken echo]

Ig yeah

I just think blocking everything is invaluable

[hidden pond]

what build is good for high heat in h1? kinda forgot about the game but I would like to play it again

[broken echo]

Rails and shields are good

The most consistent for around 32-50 is passion flare beo

Above that Zeus and Zagshield are really strong

Hestia rules until you have to take RI3 and 4

Rama is also really strong at doing heat fast but it’s hard

[surreal heron]

depends what you're good at, but yeah follow Dragonappendix's advice

[hidden pond]

thanks Ill do some practice runs at some point and Ill keep that in mind

[plush vault]

after attempting 50 heat, 45 heat feels like a breeze

turns out the game is easier when you can actually get good boons and hammers

[broken echo]

Real

[plush vault]

dang I really thought I was gonna be done with the game once I did 32 heat all aspects

then I thought I'd be done after 40 heat all aspects

then I thought I'd be done after 50 heat once

now I have an itch to do 45 all aspects

this game is a drug

[cursive portal]

next thing you know

64 heat

and I still just want more

[plush vault]

I think that's exclusively a you problem

[broken echo]

No

Well, maybe not after 64

Mysterra did 80 lmao

[plush vault]

s...surely not including all the standard 64 pact heat right

[broken echo]

I think it was

I forgot though

[plush vault]

[forest token]

I thought it was 82 lmao

I can try and find it

[broken echo]

Anyways, 50 all aspects is a pretty common goal among heat peeps

[plush vault]

you know I am pretty darn happy never trying to go above 50

I would probably go for 50 all aspects if I were playing modded

[broken echo]

Nah you gotta really like the way the game gets harder if you want to push above 50

[plush vault]

I'm kind of attached to my switch save file though

ig I could buy on steam and cross-save

[broken echo]

But I’m still enjoying it

[broken echo]

It says 80 on his victory screen record

[forest token]

Oh lmao

Oops

[harsh trout]

80 heat?? i wanna see

[forest token]

The search function on mobile is kinda ass and idk where to find it lmao

[forest token]

#771815559410876446 message

82 ap0 lmao

[broken echo]

Ah I’m not in old speedcord but I believe you

[forest token]

Yeah I can't find any video links in discord

But that did happen lmao

[hardy garden]

Tf

[latent drum]

is there a guide / pact setup for going past 32 heat

[ivory drum]

Check pins

[latent drum]

i could only find some for going up to 32 heat, could you link the ones you found?

[ivory drum]

Oh crap, I can't read. I can't think of a 40 guide rn but I would recommend joining the speedrunning discord as that is where the high heat gamers are and can help you

[forest token]

Add hl5 hs ap1 and cf1/js1 on top of the fo2 32 heat pact

The build and everything is the same

Pact is a bit more ouchy with hl5 and inconvenient with ap1 but still very doable

If you want you can take DC depending on the aspect

More js/cf if you want to lower the hl level or whatever

[latent drum]

ty

[hardy garden]

Basically just add stuff that isnt named em4, cp, ap, or ri

[forest token]

I did say to add ap1 lmao

I think ap1 is pretty chill tho as long as you're not doing like ME

[hardy garden]

At 40 id rather not take it

[surreal heron]

Would recommend generally:
hard labor 2 = 2 heat
lasting consequences 2 = 2heat
Convenience fee 2 = 2heat
jury summons 1 = 1heat
em2 = 3 heat
calisthetics program 0 = 0 heat (don't take this)
benefits package 2 = 5 heat
middle management = 2 heat
underworld customs = 2 heat
forced overtime 2 (depends on skill) = 5 heat
heightened security 0 (do not take this)
ri0 (do not take this)
dc0 (do not take this)
approval process 1 = 2 heat
tight deadline 3 = 6 heat
=32 heat

[hardy garden]

Ig depends whether or not you can deal with js

[surreal heron]

The difficulty is modular so if something here hurts too much then switch the heat about to something you're comfortable with

[hardy garden]

Theyre asking for above 32 tho

[surreal heron]

oh yeah

then it's very weapon specific

would frankly just recommend watching runs on high heat and pick what suits you

[latent drum]

Thanks yall I appreciate it

Does anyone run high heat with slow weapons like Arthur

When I tried on fo2 i just took way too much damage

[surreal heron]

me

[latent drum]

Legend

[surreal heron]

if you want some example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfXLXGHkVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKTwXP91T8M

[hardy garden]

I did one 50h like yesterday by spamming special lol

But in general you want to use the fact that you can dash in between attacks

Also if you dash during the attack wind ups you dont lose iframes unlike how dashstriking works

[latent drum]

when running sd/lc4 are you expected to be able to do each boss on 30% health

[forest token]

technically 60% lmao

but kinda yeah

[hardy garden]

You run acorn for heroes and dad, and maybe tooth on lernie if you dont need a god keepsake or have trouble. Touches of styx from well are very high value and so is pattys version if you get him in ely. Also helps to have athena in your pool since her dd boons will give you a whole regular death defiance if you pick them up with your sd already used and one also just improves the healing amount

For arthur and most things aphro attack plus broken resolve and hypersprint make you pretty tanky

[broken echo]

What everyone else said, but yeah. You can do your best to hitless rooms so that you keep the 25 health from pickups

Furies you gotta learn, lernie you can take tooth, heroes and dad you take acorn and wish for patty/well touch of Styx

[steel summit]

Wait you don't lose iframes with Arthur dashstrikes? I've done a ton runs with it but never was quite able to tell why I felt so confident to pull off dashstrikes lmao

[hardy garden]

well dash combos, if you do a regular dashstrike yeah youll get hit

[steel summit]

Combos as in attacking twice then dashing to use a third slash?

[hardy garden]

the non stabby yeah, tho actually you can prob dash during the regular standing stab

[steel summit]

Really good to know still, probably gonna give Arthur a go on higher heat

[hardy garden]

also same thing works with the special

[vital falcon]

do I need to raise heat to progress the story or just to get the boss prizes?

[left prism]

just boss prizes

ambrosia is needed for the epilogue but you don't need huge amounts of it

just doing all 6 wins at 0 heat then some weapons at 1 heat should let you have enough for it

or fish/prophecies

[vital falcon]

I have three ambrosia. Does that mean I’ll need six more?

[left prism]

the bare minimum is 6 ambrosia actually

4 gods need 1 ambrosia, hermes needs 2/Dem doesn't need it for epilogue

[vital falcon]

this is super helpful! Thanks 😄

[hardy garden]

You should try extreme measures though to see some cool stuff

[vital falcon]

The heat ones I've gone for are extreme measures, boon selection, and the attack speed. I'm assuming they're the easiest ones. Extreme measures is my favorite

[broken echo]

boon selection is one of the worst

lots of resources pinned here

[hardy garden]

Approval process is pretty terrible for 2 heat yeah

[steel summit]

What do you even build for Spear if you plan to beat 32H EM4

[plush vault]

which aspect?

[steel summit]

Hades/Aquilles is what I've been playing

But I can play any aspect really

[ivory drum]

Guan Yu is best spear for heat, but all work

[surreal heron]

for achillies I'd suggest starting with athena cast (damage control 0) and using the buff to 1shot everything

Guan Yu has the highest achievement but it is also very hard to learn (and you should learn animation cancel tech as well)

[steel summit]

So Achilles mostly goes into cast builds

[ivory drum]

Charged Skewer works quite well at lower heats

[steel summit]

Is it better to run 1 or 3 casts

[ivory drum]

For that build, 3 is better for sure

[lucid scarab]

Why not higher heats?

[steel summit]

Guessing 3

[ivory drum]

Damage control

[lucid scarab]

ah i see

[surreal heron]

3 is better for rooms but 1 is better for bosses. Hypothetically if you get good wells/chaos stygian soul (1 cast) is better.

[steel summit]

I see, 3 seems more consistent so I'll go for that

[surreal heron]

would suggest 3 tho

yeah

[steel summit]

What about Hades spear

[ivory drum]

Isn’t that spin?

Idk

[steel summit]

Do you just pray for the spin hammers

[surreal heron]

Personally I go for special build exploding launcher but it's up to you

[ivory drum]

Oh duh

[surreal heron]

spin does same damage as base spear just more aoe

[lucid scarab]

Does athena cast have a tendency to just zoom off with 3 cast, or is that just an aiming issue. Especially in asphodel

[surreal heron]

depends how close you are to the enemy, if I'm too far away they'll be annoying to control

[steel summit]

I tried that once, seems pretty neat

[surreal heron]

lol just looked up what I did for 50 heat achillies and I went crystal beam XD

^don't do this

[steel summit]

I hate crystal beam

[ivory drum]

Meme beam 😌

[surreal heron]

I banked on getting the arty duo boon

[ivory drum]

Yeah, it’s trash

[surreal heron]

which I got

[ivory drum]

On Ap2?

[quiet acorn]

Ap0 em4

I believe

[steel summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/564704477219651587/1257560692509118496/image.png?ex=6684da29&is=668388a9&hm=40c1b71daef992a5900172bcafd695a6482a9e3e888b2e614e573a9906d88239&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1202&height=676 This is the heat I use seems healthy enough

[surreal heron]

ap0 ri0

[surreal heron]

looks like a good pact, hope it goes well

[ivory drum]

Yeah, quick reload from Hermes is very good

[surreal heron]

^for achillies, on Hades spear you probably want extra dashes+hypersprint

[lucid scarab]

is em4 just for the challenge or is it legtimately an option for 32

[ivory drum]

A challenge I would say

[surreal heron]

I wouldn't suggest it for a first timer but it is fun

[ivory drum]

Em4 is hard

Especially if you are playing Melee

[steel summit]

Yeah EM4 is just there because I feel like it but I'm aware there's better stuff for that specific heat

I wasn't having problem with this so far but idk how to build Spear properly

[surreal heron]

that's fair, play the way you want to play

[steel summit]

So I'm gonna try that Athena build on Achilles first

[lucid scarab]

yeah i'm just trying to approach 32 heat and i don't think i'm able to consistently do em4 even without heat especially with sword or fist

it's definitely fun though

[ivory drum]

Make sure to keep special buff up

For Achilles casts

[steel summit]

Yeah massive boost

[ivory drum]

I still can’t do Em4 consistently, and I have 850 hours in the game

Granted I don’t do it that often, but still

[steel summit]

FO2 EM4 is certainly something

[surreal heron]

yeah it took about a week of just running/reloading that fight over and over again to get semi consistent on Zeus shield

[steel summit]

You gotta reach him with a more than decent build or you're screwed

[lucid scarab]

ok that's reassuring, also is it just me or does archers in hades fight shoot 4 times instead of 3? might just be my panicing brain hallucinating

[surreal heron]

they shoot 10 times

not joking

[steel summit]

Yeah they're like super busted

[surreal heron]

I'm pretty sure I've counted 10

[lucid scarab]

oh lmao i thought i was counting wrong

i was but like

wow

[ivory drum]

Yeah, I think it is random

Like sometimes they shot more

[quiet acorn]

9

[lucid scarab]

the sword guys also fire 4 spike traveling things instead of 1 i believe? on their jump

yeah it seems overtuned compared to summoning a few random skeletons and hands

[surreal heron]

I don't play the base fight hades much outside of fresh file so you guys probably know better than me

[ivory drum]

Adds can make or break a fight

[ivory drum]

I kill him in like 30 seconds, idk much about the actual fight

[lucid scarab]

i once got doomstone with enemy dropping food well item and no LC, certainly made rather than broke the fight lol

didn't do much but fun observation

[plush vault]

underworld customs would almost certainly be easier than convenience fee I think

you'd be able to buy at least one extra boon per biome with that money if not more so you'd have plenty of room to sell anyway

[steel summit]

Right I might try that instead

To see how it goes

[latent drum]

how much time do you need to bank for the em4 hades fight, roughly?

[forest token]

Depends on your build and aspect

I wanna say like 3 or 4 mins is on the safe side generally speaking but not entirely sure

[latent drum]

usually i run hestia with aphro/artemis attack

also em4 on high heat is so annoying i died in the third phase

[forest token]

Hestia is pretty slow at em4 lmao

What heat are you doing

[latent drum]

48

https://imgur.com/a/gxvpRTl but with em4 on

[forest token]

Could consider taking routine inspection 2 instead

[broken echo]

or AP2 and start attack

it's not that bad on hesty

could also mod for hell mode

[latent drum]

hell mode?

[broken echo]

You get one more heat

But it also forces calisthenics program

[latent drum]

wdym by start attack

damage control?

[forest token]

An attack boon

[broken echo]

basically take aphro keepsake and take either attack or special

[lucid scarab]

Any tips on how to just survive random stray hits with max hl and fo

i feel like i just can't react

should I be taking more centeur hearts?

[quiet acorn]

what aspect

[broken echo]

Run stubborn defiance

Otherwise, just try not to get hit idk

It’s hard

[lucid scarab]

i'm running stubborn, just got to get better ig

[lucid scarab]

aspect of whatever's glowing purple

[bleak grotto]

Do you dash wantonly or very purposefully?

[lucid scarab]

depends on the aspect? like normally fist, sword or bow i just dash wantonly but i dash purposefully in shield and rail

[quiet acorn]

yeah this just might be a get good moment

it takes a while to get used to

[hardy garden]

Centaur hearts and patty and athena dds and touch of styx are your friend

[quiet acorn]

make sure you dont dashstrike when dodging

[surreal heron]

If you have a recording of the gameplay we might have some more informative tips. Aside from that learning enemy attack timings might be best.

[lucid scarab]

e.g. got caught in minotaur's spin, 70 damage, die 1st time. Then, get hit by thesus's bullets and something i didn't register in the last phase, dead. All my fault, but it's quite punishing for mistakes now

was running hestia to try and stay safe and away, got to thesus at least

just a matter of time i suppose?

[lucid scarab]

thx, i'll try to keep those tips in mind

[broken echo]

@novel scaffold if you're running EM3, you free up a lot of heat for using elsewhere, and can kinda just pick from anything

JS, CP, EM4, HS, RI, AP, and DC should generally be saved for later

[novel scaffold]

ok I'm doing a fist run now, and I need 14 heat. So far I have EM3, BP1, MM, and TD2 for 13. What should my last one be?

[broken echo]

HL1

or LC1

[novel scaffold]

alright if I lose this run it's your fault

[broken echo]

Of course 👍