cp2 is fine
#h1-high-heat-strategies
forest token
wispy blade
shackle start
forest token
like yeah it sucks but i honestly dont think that's what's shafting me atm lmao
maybe
wispy blade
if u can handle dad shackling all the way thru is a good strat
wispy blade
yea but this is heat
forest token
because i mistime the dash strikes
wispy blade
i had to redo like 4 calc 3 problems and they were all the worst things ive ever seen
forest token
lmfao it do be like that
wispy blade
whoever invented minimizing and maximizing multivariable functions is actually satan
they should have just used wolframalpha instead
quiet acorn
🤔
wispy blade
we have to plug like 5 different things into these functions and then put them in the other thing that tells u if its a sadlde point or a max or min
and then it DOESNT EVEN WORK
AND YOU AHVE TO DO THE SECOND PARTIAL DERIVATIVE
its such a scam dude
quiet acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1175331471913930782/a...
very fun
wispy blade
i would just not play talos or hades
hades is so bad
it sucks before hammer
and fhen you get the hammer
and it still sucks
quiet acorn
😭
wispy blade
and talos is just talos
quiet acorn
i finish all shields then
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1175331471913930782/a...
do dio
lets u kite more
quiet acorn
i had epic jolted
wispy blade
yeah but its still very active
with dio u dont lose all ur dps if u kite away from an enemy
or just focus another
do that and its free
quiet acorn
uh
quiet acorn
u have call open
wispy blade
after jolted proc
quiet acorn
dio call with dio attack is sad
quiet acorn
ok ill try
quiet acorn
i just compare it to my achilles run and i suck at dad fight
quiet acorn
if u arent already
im not i feel it would change my decision making too muc
quiet acorn
i find myself using ri0 ap2 more often just to start epic
speedrun modpack already changes my decision making for 2nd styx tunnel
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1175341924245327912/p...
why do u fully charge every cshot
quiet acorn
i was panicking then didnt want to let go of block
torn ferry
Someone on reddit called 10 heat "high heat" and I died a bit inside. Which is stupid af, it's valid to consider 10 heat high heat when you're not quite experienced at the game. But, like... It's so offbeat.
wispy blade
i saw that one
i think they might have had a different idea of high heat if they werent running fists with athena atk tempest flourish and meme beam
but yea its just some random guy i wasnt about to pop in the comments and flame them
sinful zodiac
I realized the panic dash behind the pillar then got lasered anyway
Probably should stop taking ddash into dad
sinful zodiac
the guy on reddit kinda itch me on how to do a fist build and I think I've won already lmao
quiet acorn
Is this practice for 50 em4 fists
quiet acorn
🙏
quiet acorn
id use epic start mod tho
i think i will
forest token
Gaming
wispy blade
48 heat cf0 ri0 ap0 is probably free ngl
58 heat cf0 when
quiet acorn
slammy head lernie deserves a special place in hell
is it stonks to sell epic side hustle 140 coin before styx or do i get more in total by keeping it
sinful zodiac
I would sold it, what the others?
quiet acorn
i already sacrificed a boon to the UC gods
i just want to know which is more stonks
do tiny rooms give cash monie
sinful zodiac
styx is 8 chamber long without return to the chamber
quiet acorn
9
sinful zodiac
I think it worth to keep it
forest token
is it stonks to sell epic side hustle 140 coin before styx or do i get more in t...
if it's modded, then selling is better i think
quiet acorn
like 1 pot difference
sinful zodiac
hero is 35, you have it at 36, dad is 50
quiet acorn
yea i thought so too
forest token
oh wait epic side hustle
quiet acorn
yea
forest token
side hustle better then
but marginally like you said
if it's for uc then you might as well
if the other choices are worth keeping
sinful zodiac
yes
sinful zodiac
only butterfly and plume doesn't count
left prism
Hydro might too
sinful zodiac
Now I understand what retrash said, 55 heat is like the maximum you can actually enjoy unmodded
quiet acorn
I didn't know you could enjoy unmodded
sinful zodiac
practice with suboptimal hammer is a good practice, angel 60 zeus didn't even have ER
I can handle 2 sack, maybe 3 sack with a juice build without ER
4 is really pushing it and ER is a must have
cursive portal
60 unmodded can be fun
but you need insane rng
so its not fun
but sometimes it just is
like my zag shield 60 literally happened 3rd attempt ever
cshot, arti attack, 55% chaos attack damage in tart
there are things and phenomenons in this game that will just never happen again probably in the same manner
and that makes it so so frustrating when you throw one of these away
but ultimately I think you can still enjoy a grind like that
wispy blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886266783126929449/1175659564205617223/...
wtf this is tragic
forest token
this is so sad
honest kernel
15 heat is so easy
not even a challenge tbh <insert a bajillion asterisks here>
not a single dd lost
wispy blade
there are 0 asterisks
honest kernel
and big jolted
wispy blade
it is 15 heat
wispy blade
if u want
honest kernel
for an actual challenge?
wispy blade
use the guide
honest kernel
oka
wispy blade
32 isnt particularly challenging either
quiet acorn
idk why i cant beat hades in particular
its some sort of handicap
95% of my good runs die there
honest kernel
"What."
-Hades, God of the Dead
honest kernel
95% of my good runs die there
tRy TuRnInG oFf EM4
quiet acorn
i dont play em4
honest kernel
i dont play em4
"what."
honest kernel
i dont play em4
uhh, try not getting hit
what attacks are you struggling with in particular
wispy blade
false side is playing 50 heat
quiet acorn
what attacks are you struggling with in particular
like
all of them
i get hit by all of them
honest kernel
50 heat and still no em4?
quiet acorn
my acorn doesnt even last p1.1
honest kernel
maybe try turning down hl and turn on em4 instead
wispy blade
dont need to learn
sinful zodiac
P1.1 is definitely no hit category, that is almost a must for dad fight
Especially em4
honest kernel
what is p1.1
sinful zodiac
First part of phase 1
quiet acorn
P1.1 is definitely no hit category, that is almost a must for dad fight
i usually pop my sd in p1.2
honest kernel
before the first round of summons
honest kernel
i usually pop my sd in p1.2
then for p2 you're screwed
sinful zodiac
Even for normal dad
honest kernel
if you're using shield
pseudo kernel
no p2 is definitely easier for all weapons and for non em4
honest kernel
it's definitely not fun when lasers knock you in an urn
honest kernel
no p2 is definitely easier for all weapons and for non em4
well, yes, I hate p1
especially with em4
em4 p1 is terrifying
dad: summons sneak twice
sinful zodiac
i usually pop my sd in p1.2
My goal for normal dad is usally 1 acorn for p2 unless you get the cringe chariot or archer
quiet acorn
💀
quiet acorn
any and all
sinful zodiac
Spear currently i assume
sinful zodiac
Welp, they done 45 on all weps, 50 is the next reasonable goal
wispy blade
do u think they have never cleared 50 heat
they r trying to to zagspear 50 if i should recall
honest kernel
do u think they have never cleared 50 heat
I think they cleared it several times
sinful zodiac
I give up on fist for 50, furies skill issue
honest kernel
on low heat fist is very fun
wispy blade
power couple fists heat makes u reevaluate life
power couple heat makes u reevaluate life
quiet acorn
I give up on fist for 50, furies skill issue
i start ddash for fist 
and then ask why i time out
honest kernel
gilgamesh = hold down these 2 buttons and occasionally press some directions
forest token
and then die in tart lol
wispy blade
and lose to time
quiet acorn
that applies for all aspects really
sinful zodiac
Ngl, em4 fo1 sound really tempting rn, 1 free heat
If you are good enough at em4
Fo1 isn’t so bad
quiet acorn
i should probably savestate em3 hades or get a vod reviewed
forest token
below 5 heat that makes sense
i mean like nearly anything would work below like 32 lmao
sinful zodiac
Kinda like ya gg hestia, ri2 to take ap1
quiet acorn
i dont think ive cleared hades at high heat ever without athena call,weak, + dashes, delta chamber or +dds
forest token
not dying might help
quiet acorn
i tried
quiet acorn
lost 4 nemesis 45 heat runs last week to hades
sinful zodiac
That’s just bad habit, savestate help a ton but the downside is you get burnout like crazy
Losing like 1-2 hours straight is taxing
quiet acorn
i literally do that already
forest token
just get the anyheat build and nuke them
quiet acorn
i tried that
forest token
hard reset for rd so that way you don't die to dad on those runs
quiet acorn
i remember i did a hestia em4 run with clockets and epic special lvl 2 and epic rd
and die to phase
1
quiet acorn
im good
quiet acorn
wispy blade
it seems like ur just not reacting to dad
like he does a tell and then u keep attacking
quiet acorn
i cant
sinful zodiac
The thing that helped me is focus on dad instead of zag
The double skull + thrust is on the harder side to react but doable
The triple sweep is easier since he raise his hand and you definitely want to dodge those
quiet acorn
i get hit
quiet acorn
i try to let go
pseudo kernel
tap attack
go for dashstrikes
since with flurry jab you always attack after dash striking
quiet acorn
yea
sinful zodiac
I also get potted lmao
sinful zodiac
ashen garnet
ugh boons visual clutter + FO2 
ashen garnet
i should probably savestate em3 hades or get a vod reviewed
☝️
Both and advising some more theory with https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XnsANvLc6PxjfIVNc-HaL1ybA_x7cl0uq0vjxQJqsgY/edit?usp=sharing
Knowing when you are safe helps tremendously for both dps rotation and survivability
ashen garnet
Both and advising some more theory with https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...
HadesBidentStrike has 3 max consecutive uses which is missing in the doc btw
Hades Dash (single mobility dash) can happen at any time when you are far from him and has a very short recovery/can be chained
Triple laser has high chances of being the next attack when you are far enough from Dad (P2.1)
🟩 ⚱️ have a tricky behaviour with the center being an instahit and the outer part being closer to Asphodel lava (hit when you spend too much time in it and as soon as you stop/attack)
Also, concave arena outerbounds are especially finicky when it comes to dashing and resolving collisions
sinful zodiac
is the doc in fo0?
ashen garnet
yup
quiet acorn
so staying away can bait lasers?
ashen garnet
Basically if you have time to spare
quiet acorn
being tight on time cant relate 
ashen garnet
Quirks of not running EM4 
quiet acorn
quiet acorn
I prefer flurry sniper over twin perfect
But wanted to know if power shot better
Than flurry
jaunty falcon
I prefer flurry sniper over twin perfect
tf
ionic mesa
Sniper is not a preference; it's a self-nerf. Forcing yourself to only get a boost on the longest of shots is actively worse than picking nearly any other hammer.
quiet acorn
I'm built diff
nocturne stag
No
quiet acorn
Also sniper is not detrimental it just doesn't do anything
quiet acorn
The point I was trying to make was I prefer flurry over others
shy gulch
twin flurry is stronger than twin perfect imo
twin/triple -> flurry is ideal bow atk hammers personally
quiet acorn
twin/triple -> flurry is ideal bow atk hammers personally
I figured yea but I guess it works the other way around too
wispy blade
gg
sinful zodiac
Sack is cringe
forest token
it really is
3 sack is doable but 4 sack is so bad
i mean it was also em4 so i prob would've died there but i would've at least liked a shot at it
sinful zodiac
You kinda need a jacked build or some kind of global modifier for that
Ruthless or earring
forest token
pstatus lmao
ngl i think the build i had was pretty good
esp because of the chaos shot
lvl 5 common aphro flare, lvl 3 ares attack
4 casts
for 50 heat i'd say that's good lmao
sinful zodiac
Beo em4 is not that bad tbh, from ykc vod, it seem pretty chill
forest token
yeah i figured i wouldve been mostly fine
even if i died i dont think i woud've been too upset since that would've been my first time getting to that point at 50 heat
ngl ares attack kinda chunky
sinful zodiac
Beo attack is gud
forest token
the dragon rush is just so fat that you hit everything with doom lmao
sinful zodiac
This is still funny af https://youtu.be/4Gmz7Vsb7KY?si=pPgpI7_VdxhBlsLu
forest token
epic doom helps a lot tbf
sinful zodiac
Razor shoals tempest strike moment
forest token
retrash build moment
mint crow
Trying to break through Beo 50 heat and currently trying with EM 4 over ap2
Is that bad?
still roadblocked at furies because too slow though
thinking if I should take both EM4 and AP2 and take off some other stuff like CP or HL
wispy blade
for beo 50
super free pact is just
hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap2 td3 pl
mint crow
I’m on console so yeah will stick without ap
sinful zodiac
My unmodded 55 took like 2 reset lmao
But it was a 4 sack, Ruthless reflex plus arty full call carry tbh
This game is weird man
forest token
get blue manned
hoary pasture
Fellow TD2 enjoyer
cursive portal
TD2
sinful zodiac
I’d rather do 64 straight up when I’m good enough for ri4 lc4 tbh
Rolling the dice for jolted is cringe
But i’ve learnt that jolted high roll is not that bad if you can survive until styx without it
I always seem to get jolted there
torn ferry
damn either beowulf is easy mode or I got an absolutely broken build. Probably both. Rare RD, +78% cast damage from chaos, multiple cast well items
I almost won
EM4 dad has like 100 HP left when I choked hard
wispy blade
what heat
rugged hinge
skull issue
forest token
Beo kinda good
sinful zodiac
forget to change starting hammer, the game give me anyway
also lose anyway
em4 hard 
quiet acorn
TIL you can beat hades with just 1 dash
unfortunately im not used to dodging the big spin with 1 dash or i win ☹️
frank verge
Anybody got tips for 40 heat ?
hoary pasture
Anybody got tips for 40 heat ?
Making sure your pact is balanced and has no bad options is the first step, that's why most people fail 40 heat. The next part is picking a solid build and getting gud
hearty steeple
Making sure your pact is balanced and has no bad options is the first step, that...
isn't 99% of hades just getting gud?
the rest is RNG?
forest token
I mean the more jank/worse your build is the more git gud you have to be in order to win lmao
Retrash is a pretty good example of that
His builds are so jank and weird but he somehow beats like 50+ heat lmao
edgy ermine
never doing that again
Yes you’re going for 64 now right?
quiet acorn
only twice as hard, hence just takes twice as long to get it
somber kraken
it's as shrimple
torn ferry
and heat 1 is 32 times easier, so you can finish a run 32 times faster ! 
shy plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867045762843934731/1180117844474740847/...
Grats! For what it's worth, I think cutting 2 ranks of JS and 1 rank of something else would let you take td3 and would probably be significantly easier
wispy blade
cf at 32 is throwing imo
forest token
not really
the hl5 pact takes cf2
it's fine
it does make shop buying nearly worthless but it's not like
that big of a deal at 32 heat
forest token
yeah well not everyone is you lmao
wispy blade
cf is so bad
forest token
yeah it sucks but is no means a throw at 32 heat
shy plinth
The most consistently successful pact on 32s is hl5 cf2 fo0
forest token
yeah lmao
shy plinth
But there is another pact that is widely taken that is hl1 cf0 fo2
wispy blade
i mean anyone can indefinitely streak 32 if they want
forest token
also i'm like fairly certain most people who do 32 heat without any guides or whatever just take cf2 since that doesn't technically effect gameplay
shy plinth
It's a typical pact to take because it doesn't impact combat
forest token
yeah exactly
wispy blade
just like ri and ap
shy plinth
Players remember dying to getting hit harder but don't internalize losing because they're weak since they skipped 150g boons
forest token
i mean anyone can indefinitely streak 32 if they want
not everyone pours hundreds of hours into the game and knows meta builds lmao
also you're over 1k hours or something at this point
shy plinth
And players remember losing to timer so they drop td down and add things like js instead that make rooms slower
Really consistent trends
shy plinth
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
HL1 LC4 FO2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
These are the two pacts that are consistently recommended in here
forest token
also like cf2 is the least problematic pact option available on the pact lmao
there's been worse 32 heat pacts
shy plinth
Way worse
This one is not bad at all
I think the JS tweak would be a net positive looking at the clear times here
A 21:15 js2 on a clear screen filled with sub 20 runs tells me that td3 wouldn't be a stretch
forest token
heroic jolted and splitting bolt kinda does cut down on the time a lot tho
shy plinth
Well sure
But there are other clear screens where people have td2 and also you see a bunch of 25 minute clears as best times
Those players would be more resistant to td3 and justifiably so
wispy blade
i feel like if that's the case they should just do a couple of speedruns to learn the basics so they dont have trouble
shy plinth
Yes I agree they should learn new techniques and get better at the game lol
forest token
yeah probably but also not everyone thinks about that lmao
shy plinth
But also the goal is to make that ramp less steep
Starting point is "how can we give advice that makes the journey compelling instead of frustrating/demoralizing"
forest token
also if they're not looking into 32 heat guides, they're probably not gonna look into speed guides
which is like the majority of the player base
and most of the people who do look into 32 heat guides dont look into speed because in their mind it's not related
i certainly didn't when i cleared 32 heat
shy plinth
So many people are terrified of td3
And many people have self-taught themselves heat and added pacts that slow clear times down
forest token
esp considering js and cp at low heats are kinda free lmao
if you dont have any problem with normal clearing at least
shy plinth
I mean I don't think CP is ever free but yeah it feels free
On td0 whatever people take chiron and stubborn roots lol
forest token
i mean if you dont have any problem with normal rooms or bosses, cp2 isn't that big of a deal in terms of like dying
it's just longer fights which can lead to mistakes in fights but like it's low heat, you're not getting hit for 80 or whatever lmao
if you're consistent at low heat runs, js and cp feels free
sinful zodiac
The haelian’s American healthcare pact cf2 lc2 with dd
I think I cleared 32 heat with 10 aspect with that pact lmao
Including my first
Zeus shield gang
rugged hinge
if only my 32 run had that luck
i had to cope with dio special on level 1 zeus shield
rugged hinge
epic pot moment
torn ferry
I'm pretty sure this is the clip they show to new players when getting to the HS slide on "what pact to take ?"
forest token
"hs is free just don't hit the trap"
edgy ermine
“Hs is free just find epic sure footing”
forest token
"64 is free just win"
edgy ermine
“Its just twice as hard as 32”
rugged hinge
“Hs is free just find epic sure footing”
heroic sure footing when
edgy ermine
Tomorrow
rugged hinge
how do i dodge cerb call->triple hit
my epic 34 run died to a minor 90 damage being taken from double hit+like 90-150 from point blank beam shenanigans
rare mountain
Ok so uhh
I wanna try a higher heat run for the heck of it but outside of routine inspection I don't know what conditions are more trouble than they're worth to increase and which ones aren't
shy plinth
Have you checked the pins and/or the 32 guide?
Def the best place to start
I have a 32 heat progression sheet that shows how to ramp up heat - and Bananas' guide is very thorough on all topics
rare mountain
Oooh lemme check!
shy plinth
Top 2 pins will get you where you need to go 🙂
forest token
I wanna try a higher heat run for the heck of it but outside of routine inspecti...
jury summons, calisthenics program, em4, damage control, approval process, and routine inspection
oh and hightened security
just stay away from all of those if you want to venture into higher heat lmao
dc is fine depending on weapon/aspect but you can generally get away with not using it at all
ap1 is fine for knocking off some heat in exchange for having a worse build, but it can make other stuff easier if need be
i'd say those 2 are like the only filler heats that work well tbh
hs and js too kinda, but hs can cuck you massively and js can make time a struggle
edgy ermine
Hs really is free
left prism
Yeah, free to change for better pacts
edgy ermine
Eris?
left prism
Drunken strike and delta so yeah def eris
torn ferry
OF COURSE the very next run after changing my name I get hit by Hades pots twice 
Karma's a wretch
torn ferry
just stop dashing 4Head
quiet acorn
just stop dashing 4Head
i tried lol
but i think something doesnt want me to finsih this run
quiet acorn
the timer is dead anyway so no need to be mad 👌
endless archers ftw
hoary pasture
Looks like it
quiet acorn
I went into heroes at 15:40+
Timed out in c34 actually so probably more
Rama sucks
tropic valve
hi
tropic valve
Rama sucks
no it doesnt
hoary pasture
hi
tropic valve
idk why falseside sent me here lol
forest token
for high heat stuff i suppose lmao
tropic valve
is heat 32 high or low
quiet acorn
U mentioned hating td on rama
forest token
is heat 32 high or low
thats like the minimum "requirement" for high heat generally since most people dont play heats between 20-32 lmao
honest kernel
I'm going up to heat 25 but that's because hell mode
forest token
oh yeah that too
quiet acorn
how do you deal with speeder archers on rama
sinful zodiac
you die and cry about it
quiet acorn
oh ive already bbeen doing that
sinful zodiac
you know what, I'm also suck at rama
been training on controller at 45 and died to 3 armored shield
truly skill issue
quiet acorn
my js1 50 pact is quite nice
quiet acorn
forest token
Unfortunate
cursive portal
Bruh
hoary pasture
gotta take your finger off
tropic valve
What's the mod that allows you to choose your starting boon and hammer?
torn ferry
it's on the speedrunning modpack
torn ferry
I think there are very clear instructions on speedrun.com
I don't remember how I did it, and I never modded hades before, so I imagine it's so easy you don't even need to think about it x)
tropic valve
ight, thx
quiet acorn
gotta take your finger off
the fact that phase 2 was hitless until that part
quiet acorn
why is sword such garbage
jaunty falcon
Just crit lol
quiet acorn
you have to play with so much precision for mediocre damage
rugged hinge
just crit on every hit
quiet acorn
quiet acorn
i unironically think this is one of the top 3 2nd hammers for eris
makes elysium enemies easy
except the part where you stun yourself which is basically an insta self kill
hoary pasture
If you have delta first it's pretty easy to iframe it
quiet acorn
yea
but sometimes you forget you have to iframe it and you get stunned once
and in bossfights thats just insta death
quiet acorn
quiet acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1182240606739767326/h...
this clip does not include the exact same replace 2 runs ago
quiet acorn
i wonder how bad ri3 is
rugged hinge
furies are more painful, thats about it
quiet acorn
Not gonna lie ive gotten past my furies are tough phase
Although ivw been holding on to a 12 min compilation of furies fails for a few weeks and don't know where to share it
torn ferry
what's the prefered second hammer on high heat eris (after delta chamber) ? Rocket seems good, but I'm not sure if it's really the best hammer if you can't have clockets
wispy blade
what's the prefered second hammer on high heat eris (after delta chamber) ? Rock...
delta chamber
and then delta chamber
but rocket will be some amount of dps increase
torn ferry
what could go wrong ?
explodes
forest token
what's the prefered second hammer on high heat eris (after delta chamber) ? Rock...
Rocket is the best hammer for eris behind delta chamber for heat
quiet acorn
I don't like rocket since sometimes the aiming gets funky
hoary pasture
【【HADES/哈迪斯】 【世界纪录】 追求极致,突破极限 永恒之矛-关羽形态 60热 （modded unseeded）-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/8DsKjYG
60heat guanyu!
by 以太—Aether
For the heat enjoyers not in speedcord
wraith imp
【【HADES/哈迪斯】 【世界纪录】 追求极致,突破极限 永恒之矛-关羽形态 60热 （modded unseeded）-哔哩哔哩】 https://b...
Watched through it. The ending was nerve-racking.
quiet acorn
How do you get that
bleak grotto
I think it's the Steam 2023 Year in Review
quiet acorn
I'm check mine
shy plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886266783126929449/1186911812764061766/...
Yo that's a good game
quiet acorn
why is this high heat
i had vacatio in november so had to go back home and parents wont let me play there 😩
i played for 10 hours a day in october
sinful zodiac
hardcore
sinful zodiac
the number of sessions kinda give it away
sinful zodiac
we don't celebrate Christmas and new year so I'm probably won't be actively playing for a while
upper juniper
It’s been forever since I made the list but I’ll try to recall
wispy blade
It’s been forever since I made the list but I’ll try to recall
welcome back
wispy blade
same
upper juniper
I think dash nova’s big issue is twofold
cold kiln
hm?
upper juniper
It disrupts the regular pattern for sword
wispy blade
if you are in a spot and you want to special in the spot you can no longer do that
upper juniper
& iirc it’s harder to cancel
wispy blade
enemies don't group to a point a specific distance away from you they group towards you
upper juniper
It disrupts the regular pattern for sword
D-strike x 2, special, d-strike x 2…
by sending you flying
wispy blade
so if you have two guys right next to you who you want to one hit with special you now cannot
upper juniper
yup
Having learned that my tierlist actually ended up in a guide I figured I’d defend the decisions because that’s fun
cold kiln
It disrupts the regular pattern for sword
to be fair i like it only on poseidon
i don't really play the other swords
upper juniper
Even on Poseidon
I mean it’s a bit more manageable there
double nova is still meh because you interupt it way too easily with your dash-strike
sinful zodiac
Bold statement coming from someone with a sub5
wait when did she do that?
forest token
A week or so ago I think
sinful zodiac
neat, what a time to be stuck with work
forest token
sinful zodiac
damn, gamer
forest token
One of like 15 sub5s ever done lmao
upper juniper
One of like 15 sub5s ever done lmao
Alongside my 14
torn ferry
Blood and darkness, cerberus does 75 damage ???
I was wailing on dad in the bottom left corner of the room, got him to half, was caught totally unaware by the cerberus summon, took 75, was panicking, go caught in the dad lasers
Still a good run though
signal slate
Blood and darkness, cerberus does 75 damage ???
you fight cerberus on pact of punishment
signal slate
dunno if you want details
is it optional like charon?
like an alternative to the sack?
signal slate
Each lvl changes a boss and what not
and cerbie is the styx one?
left prism
Is funnier for me if you barely know what happens but
||you really think he would have only 1 revive?||
torn ferry
is there a use case for fighting charon in high heat ?
The card and gold is nice, and he doesn't have that much HP. But it still takes time, and is very punishing
I'm wondering if I should try training the fight or I can just ignore it for the rest of time
quiet acorn
is there a use case for fighting charon in high heat ?
flex
left prism
I only do on 32 for the funnies
forest token
is there a use case for fighting charon in high heat ?
it's pretty heat dependent tbh. the only time that would make sense to fight him would be aspho or ely, since in tart your build doesn't exist so the fight would just take way too long, and tart can be a deep time sink
but like
depending on the heat level, you'd need to have a fast aspho to bank up time for ely since ely can be horrible
quiet acorn
the fight could possibly be faster than fighting a regular 32 or 33 combat lol
torn ferry
I usually have less than 1 minutes left by end of tart, about 3 minutes at end of aspho, and like 5-6 for ely
so aspho+ should be doable
tartarus is hell (... fittingly I guess) though
quiet acorn
on td3?
forest token
the fight could possibly be faster than fighting a regular 32 or 33 combat lol
i mean i guess but at that point it'd depend on js levels
and also just not dying lmao
torn ferry
td3 yeah
upper juniper
it's pretty heat dependent tbh. the only time that would make sense to fight him...
Take it in tart to get max value 
and since you don’t have a build, you aren’t throwing away a good build
forest token
I mean you could have a good build
But also like
Tart time can be tight depending on spawns
torn ferry
depending
Nah nah, I always get the billion witches and numskull on room 12
Or 11
Last encounter one
forest token
Tart moment
torn ferry
Yeah this is horrible
They also instantly try to hide away in the most forgotten corners of the map
ashen garnet
With js3cp2 my tarts range from 3 to 6 IGT depending on free rooms and spawns
torn ferry
The two states of Tartarus witches:
- "Ok girls let's take it slow, we go in one by one and disperse"
- touhou
mild shard
how do you get high heat
ashen garnet
The two states of Tartarus witches:
- "Ok girls let's take it slow, we go in one...
Speeder seeker Spreaders 
torn ferry
Pact of punishment. Go do another run after winning, you'll see it
cursive portal
The two states of Tartarus witches:
- "Ok girls let's take it slow, we go in one...
this is the same with ely archers
signal slate
what are the easiest objectives?
signal slate
ah thx
upper juniper
biweekly eris hazard screenshot
False where’s the latest
upper juniper
find me a more perfect trove i dare you
by perfect
I mean I’ve certainly had faster but it definitely wasn’t at 58 heat
quiet acorn
i meant the money
upper juniper
10% attack speed
upper juniper
I’m really seeing the inspiration from thegamer
But I’m pretty sure they were talking about lucifer
quiet acorn
unironically could work if i get hazard bomb
this was the furthest i could make it 
wouldve been unny
tight sage
at last u can make that much
quiet acorn
with ares attack i reached heroes fight with good time but died because only had 1 dash and im bad
upper juniper
with ares attack i reached heroes fight with good time but died because only had...
I thought that said Hermes fight ngl
quiet acorn
torn ferry
PoV : you're me playing Hades
forest token
festive
pallid pendant
ayo, what is the best aspect for no-boon run?
rugged hinge
ayo, what is the best aspect for no-boon run?
zeus/hestia are very cool
pallid pendant
im using nemesis cuz is my fav, but I genuinly dont know wich would be best
btw, no boon run but if chaos is an expetion sometimes*
pallid pendant
zeus/hestia are very cool
I tried hestia once, but gun is my least favorite weapon, so I just didnt used again for the noboon run
I will give another try later
zuz would be cool, love managin the shield throw
forest token
Zeus is a bit dubious
Hestia is by far the best and easiest
Otherwise Arthur and rama are candidates
Shield if you get charged shot works
compact orbit
rugged hinge
nah do flursed zagsword, its cooler
upper juniper
Going back to speed off 40 heat makes taking damage feel like an illusion
wispy blade
Going back to speed off 40 heat makes taking damage feel like an illusion
why not both
chilly vessel
lc4 is so painful
forest token
it takes adjusting yeah
tbf lc4 and not hl5 isn't so bad
as long as those two aren't together it doesn't feel as punishing
chilly vessel
i'm playing 32 heat for funsies and omg this is rough
forest token
lc4 and fo2 can suck but if you learn fo2 well enough then it's kinda free-ish
upper juniper
Lc4 and hl5 off with dd’s back on makes me feel immortal 
chilly vessel
i think i should swap back to eris over hera for thsi
ok i need to stop playing like an ape and move properly
i died to furies twice in a row because i keep standing in red circles
quiet acorn
Furies are hard
dusky jungle
32 heat guan?
cold prairie
How does 32 heat compare to dead cells 4/5 bc?
chilly vessel
5bc should be way harder than 32 heat
clever otter
it probably also depends on which game youre better at
cold prairie
5bc should be way harder than 32 heat
Prob yeah
chilly vessel
fo 2 is such a big uptick in difficulty jeez
rugged hinge
How does 32 heat compare to dead cells 4/5 bc?
5bc is far more brutal
although specific perks of heat 32 can get you
like bp, uc, em, hs, td
torn ferry
oh yeah
what's the difference between easiest and hardest 32 heat
now that I think about it
Putting RI4 will already mess you up
do you stay under 32 with JS3 EM4 CP2 RI4 TD3 ?
torn ferry
oh yeah, didn't think about it. You can still take LC4 with JS2, right ?
that's a pact and a half huh
"I beat 32 heat" vs this pact "I beat 32 heat"
insert the chad doge vs cheem meme
left prism
Would reducing td3 to td2 to add ap1 be worth
That leaves a missing heat though
Back to js3?
torn ferry
The point of TD is to make sure you don't have enough time to complete the js3 (or 2) cp2 biomes
Though since we ditch one js for LC4 might as well give up on TD altogether and go for like heightened security and BP2
left prism
My point was more rng for worse builds, but yeah 8 more minutes is a lot
Nah you want td
No turtle strats
torn ferry
Oh yeah, true
rugged hinge
you could easily circumvent lc4 with just gy, cursed slash, or stubborn roots
which is why td is funny
rugged hinge
i was considering adding hl to make lc4 ri4 funnier, but i think hs is also cool
losing your entire run to a single trap in ely/styx
torn ferry
I feel like you're gonna lose health faster than you can gain even if you're a god on cursed slash or guan yu
forest token
How does 32 heat compare to dead cells 4/5 bc?
I'm only on 2bc but from what I understand, 32 heat is probably easier than 5bc lmao
Pact dependent but 32 heat doesn't really incentivise going nearly hitless over a biome
cold prairie
I'm only on 2bc but from what I understand, 32 heat is probably easier than 5bc ...
Good point
You should really learn how to be flawless from 2bc
forest token
I am absolutely struggling to make that work but yeah lmao
I'm guessing at the difficulty of 5bc but if you can do that you can pretty reasonably clear 40 heat
rugged hinge
5bc is slightly hard
a minor list of what it does:
||gives you a timer but it adds effects similar to the pact over time
you literally lose 30-100% of your health in a single hit
enemies teleport to you
prisoner's quarters is hell
the rest past first boss is fine||
cold prairie
5bc is slightly hard
a minor list of what it does:
||gives you a timer but it ad...
30%?
Pretty sure you'll lost at least 50% with a single hit
forest token
oh festive
quiet acorn
ho to kill speeder greatshilelds
chilly vessel
dash through and blast em
quiet acorn
especially when ur max hp is 50
rugged hinge
and also after they hit you with a wave
rugged hinge
shouldve gotten piercing fire
quiet acorn
ah yes
south violet
How does 32 heat compare to dead cells 4/5 bc?
Dead Cells 5bc is along the lines of 40 heat I'd say
And a Fresh File run of Dead Cells is about equal to 2bc in terms of punishingness, which I would set similar to 32 heat Hades
wispy blade
ff 32
south violet
ff 32 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Angel on her way to make ff 32 heat a reality
wispy blade
oh
forest token
Fresh file dead cells seems a lot easier than hades fresh file lmao
south violet
It really is
If you take time to collect all scrolls in the universe (which is slow)
If you try and do it fast it's probably 40 heat difficulty too
wispy blade
so still 32
rugged hinge
If you try and do it fast it's probably 40 heat difficulty too
not really
its still pretty easy
you get some solid starting weapons, a lot of health, a LOT of damage
humble crescent
how do i dodge the em3 bull charge
hoary pasture
how do i dodge the em3 bull charge
Dash through a pillar and dash back
Or a wall, but the wall is harder
cursive portal
LOL
rugged hinge
slugger funny
vivid venture
Do people use the purse once they're upping cost by 80%
forest token
afaik not really
quiet acorn
usually theres little reason to take purse over earring or acorn
forest token
i guess like you could if your build is done in tart somehow lmao
and yeah if it's not too high heat where you dont need earring then sure
vivid venture
I totally forgot about earing. Avoided LC4 for too long
When is the earring typically used
quiet acorn
when ur low on time
rugged hinge
or are leveling it up
forest token
not being able to see is my favorite part of em4
rigid tundra
is it possible to beat 64 without shield?
forest token
given enough rng, yes
rama, guan yu, and eris are like technically doable
guan yu and eris are a bit sus
rama is the most likely aspect tho
quiet acorn
splittting bolt is overrated
wispy blade
real
rugged hinge
it is still possible
just get dedge, and perhaps use zeus to counteract dc
torn ferry
Zeus on arthur is great !... On cast.
rugged hinge
no its also good on attack/dash for getting rid of dc
the main problem with arthur 64 is just js3 bp2 dc2, and zeus handles that nicely
you could also do snurst flurry cast, though thats a bit worse
broken echo
What are reasonable heat jumps from 32? 36,40,45,50?
rugged hinge
What are reasonable heat jumps from 32? 36,40,45,50?
64
quiet acorn
40
steady basalt
What are reasonable heat jumps from 32? 36,40,45,50?
46
shy plinth
32->40 is pretty common
Typically people either lean into FO or HL for 32, so at 40 you just do both along with CF
And then a couple points from like jury summons or DC if the weapon allows etc, can start to learn HS
Lots of options
forest token
most do 32 -> 40 -> 50 but you can also do 45 before 50
signal slate
im bout do a fo calistenics, and damage control, will it be tough?
shy plinth
What heat? Why calisthenics?
forest token
calisthenics program is not fun
signal slate
What heat? Why calisthenics?
5 and for the harsh con prophecy
signal slate
calisthenics program is not fun
are bosses affected?
shy plinth
Yes
signal slate
oh, ok idk why u seem to dread it
shy plinth
If it's just for 5 heat and the prophecy it's kind of hard to get a gauge as to how challenging it'll be for you
signal slate
im doing maxxed demeter lol
shy plinth
Well this channel is generally for players who run at 32+ heat - and calisthenics program is like 10,000 extra health for the end bosses
forest token
oh, ok idk why u seem to dread it
giving hades 5k more hp per phase isn't fun
shy plinth
It's a lot of extra damage you have to deal when the high level pacts already impact the ability to make a strong build
signal slate
giving hades 5k more hp per phase isn't fun
ok. bet
torn ferry
I mean
forest token
at low heat it's like totally doable and not that difficult
torn ferry
pretty safe bet
signal slate
aight ill be back in like half an hour
torn ferry
at low heat it's like totally doable and not that difficult
still takes more time though
forest token
i mean yeah
imo it's more of an issue of like
taking cp1 later because you think it's not that big of a deal lmao
it's more of a hidden pain
signal slate
im doing maxxed demeter lol
nvm its hestia im doing
shy plinth
It's aligned with the typical player behavior of choosing pacts that don't obviously kill them in combat
forest token
cp1 can shaft hestia breakpoints
shy plinth
People fear things they can see and CP1 feels like it's safe since it's not stopping your damage output
signal slate
triple bomb, burst fire, explo attack
signal slate
what do i pick, troll picks allowed
shy plinth
For context, we're happy to answer questions, but the guidance in this channel might not fit your experience at 5 heat
signal slate
oh yeah i forget which channel im in time to time
shy plinth
We're happy to help! But the advice won't always translate since it's such a different vibe at 32+
signal slate
oh i bet it does
shy plinth
Also random.org said explo attack
signal slate
oh i chose triple bomb so yeah that is awkward
broken echo
Triple bomb sucks with hestia for me
broken echo
It messes up how I think of the attack rhythm
torn ferry
fair
broken echo
How do I not die to HS urns
torn ferry
positioning and popping them early
smoky socket
what's the consensus on hades spear for higher heats? i'm told my other favorite weapons are quite a bit harder for it, but i've been playing with hades aspect quite a bit lately and like it
shy plinth
I don't think it's commonly used as a Leaderboard weapon
Depends what heat you're talking about though
I wouldn't expect to see many hades spear runs in the 50s
smoky socket
my goal is somewhere around 40, eventually, so not too high, but.. high enough i suppose
shy plinth
32 is doable with anything and 40 isn't too far from that
Could def do hades spear if you wanted to
I wouldn't expect anyone to ever recommend it, but it's very doable
smoky socket
fair enough. it's that or arthur for me, and between tight deadline and damage control, i'm worried that arthur would be annoying at best
shy plinth
Arthur can go plenty fast and you don't need DC at 40
smoky socket
oh, you don't? that's actually quite good to know
shy plinth
Def not
smoky socket
nice. i'll work with both of them for now, thank you
i'm still low heat with the spear since last night was the first time i tried it tbf
shy plinth
The go to 32 pacts don't use DC, getting from those to 40 is fairly straightforward - max hl max fo and then the last couple points can be some combination of jury summons, DC, and HS
smoky socket
fair enough. i actually have been running em4 so far, not because it's easy (i know it's suboptimal), but because it's so much more satisfying, so that saves a few points too
thank you!
shy plinth
It only saves points if you clear the runs 😉
It's a fun fight but really really difficult
smoky socket
i'm getting better at it, slowly