#h1-high-heat-strategies

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sinful zodiac
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no point anyway

cold kiln
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but you have 4 FPs left? you could reroll?

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idgi

sinful zodiac
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the pace is already too late

forest token
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The extra damage isn't gonna carry it that much

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3 fights and heroes is still left

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Unless you get skips on most of them then maybe it's doable

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But em3 heroes on Chiron can be a bit sus for time

cold kiln
forest token
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lmao fair enough

quiet acorn
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this probably win with patty

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or without but im too bad for that

rugged hinge
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need a pact and build for nemesis 40

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a friend won a bet, so its time to stop trying gilg dash

wispy blade
shy plinth
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Typical 40 pact should be fine

wispy blade
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and build is just like

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aph or arty attack

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have ddash

shy plinth
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Ah hell mode

wispy blade
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funny pact but whatever

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also replace from lightning strike to aph

shy plinth
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For nem it's probs not dc2 over ap1 but I guess you could

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Or like dc1 js1 or something

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Ap1 probs reasonable here

wispy blade
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i wouldnt do dc

shy plinth
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You did do dc

wispy blade
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yeah but that was for zagsword

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with lightning strike start

shy plinth
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Oh right

wispy blade
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and kinda stupid pact

rugged hinge
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im gonna do td3 because šŸŒ

sinful zodiac
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How do people even play zag sword? Bad nem?

bleak grotto
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Yee

sinful zodiac
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based pact and clear history

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the td2 mentality is real

wispy blade
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bro

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how

sinful zodiac
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oh, it's retrash, no wonder

wispy blade
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how did he not have a singlle sub20

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was this back when td worked different

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no it wasnt

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this is insane

forest token
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i mean it's retrash

wispy blade
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did he never do speed

forest token
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i dont think so

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he prob has gotten better times after that

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i remember seeing an aotw from him a bit ago actually lmao

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nearly a year ago should not qualify has "a bit ago" lmao but yeah

sinful zodiac
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doom stack chiron unmodded

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damn

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and he start coin purse

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I even took earing in aspho and still time out even with conc + arty

forest token
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he might always start coin purse i think lmao

forest token
quiet acorn
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Wow I thought you did that right now

forest token
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retrash is just build different

sinful zodiac
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For now at least

shy plinth
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Are we looking at retrash builds

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My favorite game

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Try to look at his boon lists cropping out the aspect

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And figure out what he played. It is impossible

forest token
shy plinth
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The ares dash

forest token
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best game is guessing the retrash aspect

shy plinth
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This is gonna be something silly like lucifer

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Actually it's retrash so I punted by not picking a sword first

forest token
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i think lucifer is too cursed

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arty atk lmao

shy plinth
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The green beam I dunno!!!

forest token
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lmfao

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this is gilga

shy plinth
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He always does AP2 anyway

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GILGA

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Okay I can kinda see a vague ME attempt gone wrong

forest token
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gilga blade dash goes hard tbf

shy plinth
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I know those too well

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Yeah

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And you could hope for deadly reversal or something

forest token
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this is a good one

shy plinth
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Beo?

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That would make too much sense though

forest token
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lmfao

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zeus shield

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coin purse start

shy plinth
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What

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Zeus demeter kinda poppin

forest token
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oh lmao

shy plinth
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Ok ok you go first

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Uhhhhhh demeter?

forest token
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this is an incredibly cursed build btw

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nope

shy plinth
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What's the attack?

forest token
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doom

shy plinth
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What

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Is this like... poseidon?

forest token
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eris with hazard bomb

shy plinth
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...

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...okay

quiet acorn
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ares based

forest token
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oh thanks dyno

bleak grotto
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That's bananas!

forest token
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but yeah it's quite literally eris with hazard bomb

forest token
shy plinth
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My fave

forest token
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zag bow

shy plinth
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Not even close

forest token
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damn

quiet acorn
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some fists

shy plinth
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Yeah

forest token
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oh talos

shy plinth
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Talos lol

forest token
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yeah that tracks lmfao

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the build is quite literally dio call

shy plinth
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There is also an athena dash

wispy blade
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not retrash but

shy plinth
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So it does not quite qualify as fully cursed

forest token
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potato quality

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oh that's just angel isn't it

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frost strike luci

wispy blade
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yeah

forest token
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but yeah idk how that worked lmao

wispy blade
forest token
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oh look a good chiron build

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gotta be zag bow

wispy blade
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try another weapon

shy plinth
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Achilles

forest token
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heavy knuckle talos

wispy blade
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no

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youā€™re getting closer

forest token
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for who lmao

wispy blade
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not telling

forest token
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great

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explupper dem

wispy blade
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yeah

forest token
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makes sense

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are these angel runs lmao

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i dont think angel's builds are as cursed as retrash's

wispy blade
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yeah those were angel

shy plinth
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Retrash's AP2 EM4 TD2 coin purse builds are peak alternate reality gaming

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He just does what he wants

forest token
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"just get the boons"

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except his boons are like

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whatever i guess idk man

shy plinth
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Yeah I think it's more like

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"Just do em4"

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The boons do not seem to have much bearing on the outcome of the runs

forest token
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he really said "git gud"

shy plinth
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Though also he has a lot of documentation of what it looks like to be gud

sinful zodiac
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I have a similar cursed save states I have been trying since yesterday

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Zeus with arty spec, zeus call+jolted+ double strike

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Em4 enter at 14:30

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I played it perfectly with earing aspho and elysium then dad just spank me with a bunch of bballs

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My closest is about 20% of his last phase with about 30 sec then got sweeped bouldy

quiet acorn
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man i have no 'cursed' runs at all

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such a meta slave

forest token
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my cursed run is 50 heat beo but with like lvl 3 cast and a ton of jerkies

quiet acorn
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that sounds like average ap2 run

forest token
quiet acorn
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so many jerky

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on dc1

forest token
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the beauty is that nothing get's one shot anyways

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so you get to cshot again

quiet acorn
forest token
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i think the cshot is doing more damage than the cast anyways

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so it's good bossing lmao

quiet acorn
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aspect of jerky

sinful zodiac
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Iā€™m definitely an arty enjoyer on zeus now

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Tart and aspho feel so much smoother because no jolted high roll

forest token
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dont you have like no scaling

sinful zodiac
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Yeah, ely and styx got carried by call

forest token
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yeah that tracks lmao

sinful zodiac
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The perfect zeus boons in arty zeus run

forest token
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isn't that still kinda like "boon high roll" lmao

sinful zodiac
forest token
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i mean like

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idk it's still high roll since you trade a better early game for a worse late game unless you get scaling

sinful zodiac
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At least i get more practice out of the later part

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But in hindsight, not really a bright idea

forest token
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lmao yeah % specials kinda just dont have great scaling

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technically pos does but it's also like counter intuitive lmao

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although iirc explosive return also gets the % bonus but i could be wrong on that

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so that's not too bad

sinful zodiac
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Mysterria run had splitting headache with dio attack and arty special

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I watched that run and thought i should try it

forest token
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mysterra also kinda just a god lmfao

sinful zodiac
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True

forest token
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like non meta builds need to be compensated by luck and/or skill and mysterra is like all skill lmao

quiet acorn
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the only 'non meta' run ive ever done was me eris

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and i did it first try so like luck overcompensatd

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give me a random aspect

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to do 40 heat on

forest token
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what haven't you done yet

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or what have you done

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whatever's a shorter list

quiet acorn
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i did arthur all bows eris idk if hestia guan yu achilles zag fists or demeter fists idk beowolf

sinful zodiac
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no patty tho, but the zeus boon is so great

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where are you when i started you dude

forest token
quiet acorn
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ME simulator

forest token
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it's literally aspcet of cshot

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just get aphro atk and you're chilling

quiet acorn
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but i want to kill things faster i think me does that

forest token
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cshot has faster anyheat

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ME on shield is kinda wacky since you knock stuff back naturally

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like doable but uh

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cshot is still pretty fast and also easier

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and safer

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if you want funny dps start tidal dash

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and hard reset for rd lmao

quiet acorn
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ill start with zagsheild i guess

sinful zodiac
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Now I realized i have epic lunge, maybe dash striking instead of special is the way

sinful zodiac
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damn, technology

quiet acorn
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for em4 do you prioritize health/safety or damage

wispy blade
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wat

quiet acorn
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like for example would you want more specific boons and more poms or more max health and athena or whateve

wispy blade
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what id do is go thru a run with ap0 on (but maybe ri on if itā€™s in your real pact to simulate a similar number of boons), bp0 on, and any other stuff off that shouldnā€™t affect the dad fight

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and then just get a run to the dad fight with a reasonable build

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and then copy the temporary save for that

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and practice on that

quiet acorn
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yeah thats what im trying first

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wait

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what

wispy blade
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?

quiet acorn
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copy the temporary save for that

wispy blade
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thatā€™s crucial

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but basically

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go into your documents folder

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saved games

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hades

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and then Profile1 or 2 or whatever temp sav

quiet acorn
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inb4 i delete the game

wispy blade
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Nyaanyaa's Practice Saves Guide

Save files are in ...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades.

Get into the chamber you want to practice, then backup your Profile1_Temp.sav in a new folder called "practice saves" or whatever you like. Rename the temp.sav to something descriptive like "EM3 Eris Heartbreak Strike" or whatever, so that you know what it's for later.

When you want to practice the fight, replace Profile2.sav or whichever slot with your practice save. Then just start the game and load your save from profile 2. (If you're not starting in the fight, open the menu and "Give Up". Then load the save again.) You should be in the fight now.

When you win the fight or die, open the menu (during the death animation), select "Give Up", then reload the save, and you'll be at the beginning of the fight again.

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ur on kbm right

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the thing about kbm is that unlike controller u canā€™t pause during death animation

quiet acorn
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em3 eris heartbreak strike wtvf

wispy blade
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donā€™t ask me why

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so either

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give up before you die every time

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or if you do die

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alt tab out immediately

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and use whatever the mac equivalent is of task manager to shut hades down

quiet acorn
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ok ill see

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does nyaanyaa have a get good guide

wispy blade
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there is an em4 guide

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hold on

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itā€™s by nephi

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so pretty trustworthy

quiet acorn
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yeah i read this already

sinful zodiac
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Iā€™m already doing save state on that zeus run and failed like 10 times

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Mood

quiet acorn
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fr

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ive only beaten em4 like

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once

sinful zodiac
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You want to try it?

quiet acorn
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first try tho

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with fists

wispy blade
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iā€™ve beaten em4 3 or 4 times

quiet acorn
wispy blade
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none of them were like real things tho

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the only kinda real one was when i did em4 32 fists

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but even then i had like fo0 hl0 or something

quiet acorn
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also should you be always taking tooth over acorn

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or just pray for no bals

wispy blade
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acorn is like

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always better if u donā€™t get owned by summon rng

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so it depends on what u want to risk to rng

quiet acorn
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ive never seen anything other than balls

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and doomstone

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and sneak

sinful zodiac
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I see top players use tooth for ely more frequently

wispy blade
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cause tooth is an extra 3 or 4 hits

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more like 2 or 3 really

sinful zodiac
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My save state is either 3 bballs or 2 bballs 1 gorgon

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Thanks god i took tooth

wispy blade
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i have a cursed em4 savestate if u want

sinful zodiac
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Feel like a gilga em4 bballs

quiet acorn
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and like whats an ideal phase 1

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not pop acorn/dd

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or like no hit

sinful zodiac
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People said the last part of phase 1 is the hardest

wispy blade
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yea phase 1 is considered the hardest

sinful zodiac
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Phase 3 is actually kinda annoying because of td

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You really have to save some health for the overtime

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The constant darkness and healing is definitely a dps check

quiet acorn
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holy swear word

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first try

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that wasnt hard just get 300 max health patty and extra dd

sinful zodiac
quiet acorn
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i got the doomstone

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that thing is free call juice

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full gauge in like 5-6 seconds, huuhg?

sinful zodiac
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Phase 2 and phase 3 actually more of a stat check tbh

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Longer fight mean easier to die

quiet acorn
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between abyssal and weak its like hl0

sinful zodiac
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The classic parting shot lmao

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I once got it twice, sell for 850 obols

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Easy money

quiet acorn
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i dont think i should make this one a save

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i wont be getting dashes and dd normally

sinful zodiac
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I have a rama one with only 2 DD, 40 heat but still HL5 fo2

quiet acorn
wispy blade
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yea

quiet acorn
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what happens if its open on accident

wispy blade
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idk

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ur game might tell u something is wrong

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or it might not let you modify

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since the files would be in use

sinful zodiac
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I donā€™t think you need to close the game actually

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The way iā€™ve been doing it is copy the temp

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Rename it to other profile

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If i lose, i delete both ingame and the file

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Then copy it back in

quiet acorn
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delete in game save ingame

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or in the folder

sinful zodiac
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Both

quiet acorn
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one would assume doing one does the other as well

sinful zodiac
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But i think give up that save also work

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Because the new save donā€™t have the original save at the house

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As far as i understand, when you quit midgame on your normal save, there exist 2 saves

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One back at the house and the temp at the latest chamber

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If the save only have the latest chamber and not the house

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If you give up, load it up again result in that chamber

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Iā€™ve seen it in the em3 guide

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Should work like this

quiet acorn
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i think ill just play normally

sinful zodiac
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Even vaxon said save states work tho

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But if you really hate em4 shenanigans, probably donā€™t need it

quiet acorn
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ap2 is getting very annoying so im checking if em4 would be easier if i actually got good at it

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people who run it dont seem to have a problem with getting hit

sinful zodiac
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Unmodded run from vowel guy all use em4 ap1

quiet acorn
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mostly with getting enough time

sinful zodiac
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Thatā€™s something

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The chinese players are simple build different

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They grind heat like no other

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Maybe except for angel, retrash or nephi

quiet acorn
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i wonder hwat my 50 heat pb is

sinful zodiac
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Tbh, some top heat player stop uploading their run for quite some time

sinful zodiac
quiet acorn
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yea i mean mine

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lol

sinful zodiac
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Probably close to 14-15

quiet acorn
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funnily my top 2 times are 14:?? and 15:??

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both at 52

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i wonder what the speedpact is

sinful zodiac
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I never got a sub15 for 50

quiet acorn
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do you know?

sinful zodiac
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Maybe jazz know but i dont think she run 50

quiet acorn
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hm

sinful zodiac
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no cp no js no pl

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this is probably better

quiet acorn
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i didnt check that yet but i think it is rama

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with dc2

sinful zodiac
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yeah

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the hestia one is hell mode, clockets high roll with ap2

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unmodded

quiet acorn
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ah thats where my heat came from em4 by accident

forest token
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high heat speedrunning is an experience lmao

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40 heat is manageable, 50 heat is kinda pain since you have to take js and cp substitutes

sinful zodiac
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Ocaml run has the best wave iā€™ve ever seen and I donā€™t even know much about wave

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Dad crit instant phase is šŸ¤Œ

forest token
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you kinda have to get god rng for a 7:30 50 heat

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like 7:30 any heat on rama is still like pretty good imo

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for like top 25% of speedrunners it's not bad, still pretty good
obv like amazing for the more casual side of speedrunners

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but then it's 50 heat lmfao

quiet acorn
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it is too anoying because now on top of going fast you have to not die

forest token
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hestia is kinda good for that at least

sinful zodiac
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Rama is on the easier side at least

quiet acorn
forest token
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rama works too as long as you dont get shafted by ely arhcers

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and get at least 1 good hammer

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namely twin/triple

quiet acorn
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is common jolted likely no future poms a better take over like high voltage for future splitting

wispy blade
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on eris?

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eys

quiet acorn
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considering i have call as well

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i could roll for double strike

wispy blade
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take jolted

quiet acorn
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k

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do styx miniboss doors have higher or lower duo/legendary odds

left prism
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lower

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but is like 2% less

quiet acorn
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what are the normal/standard odds?

sinful zodiac
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12%

quiet acorn
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tanks

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also whatabout the overpriced boons in styxshop

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are htey the same as miniboss

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or just nectared boons

left prism
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same as miniboss pretty sure

quiet acorn
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alright

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lower miniboss odds are misleading

sinful zodiac
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almost nuked my main save, thanks god I had an em4 savestate on that profile

quiet acorn
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man im probably the only person who lets his intrusive thoughts win and reset on a good run

sinful zodiac
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also give up on a savestate return you to that chamber

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good to know

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too lazy to fight em4 so I just play like garbo

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got to phase 3 actually

quiet acorn
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in these situations do you go for poms or nectar for hermes

mint crow
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Nectar?

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Uh

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Dio on Eris attack?

quiet acorn
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yeah because you almost never get jolted with ap2

mint crow
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Ah I see

sinful zodiac
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I would pom tbh

quiet acorn
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yep

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i did

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does dark foresight afffect story room appearance odds

sinful zodiac
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I don't think it does

quiet acorn
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2 boons

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do you take nectar then

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i always feel like i mess up eurydice

forest token
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If you have like 2 boons or like mostly boons that benefit from rarity and wouldn't matter where it goes then yeah

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Or if you wanna high roll

quiet acorn
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also rolls

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do you always save 1 for sell well as emergency or is it ok to use it

forest token
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i'd save it generally

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then again you can always high roll ofc but like

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if you wanna be safe lmao

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like you generally want to save 1 reroll per biome

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for tart you kinda dont have to if you only pick up 3 boons and one of the is fodder

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but like it all depends lmao

quiet acorn
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i guess it does depend

sinful zodiac
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The only boon worth high roll imo is aphro core imo

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Sometimes hermes dash

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But itā€™s just unlikely

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Jolted as well

forest token
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aphro core if you need it and jolted are pretty big ones yeah

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i'd roll once for hermes but i'm more willing to cope lmao

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epic swift flourish is decent considering special animations are generally slow

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quick recovery is neat

quiet acorn
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man i stepped on

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2 pots

sinful zodiac
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Tdash moment?

quiet acorn
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with 4 poms

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u could say that

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tdash at home

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saving that roll helped

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or it would be an eris heartbbreak strike hades fight

sinful zodiac
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Remind me of a run where i got lv6 red aphro dash

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Ap2 pom is something else

quiet acorn
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no delta chamber is stinky

quiet acorn
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ri momeny

forest token
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That's all you need

quiet acorn
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what i really need is c33 to not have 6 double damage archers

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with chariots

forest token
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Classic

quiet acorn
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trade 45 hp and 1 min time for ddash

forest token
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Worthy trade

quiet acorn
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how to roll 3 ap2 boons

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pom

wispy blade
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cant

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can only roll poms if u have >3 pommables

quiet acorn
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bad game design

wispy blade
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ok bubbo

quiet acorn
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lol im dumb i forgot to switch keepsake

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unga bunga and didnt even phase him once

forest token
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Unfortunate

quiet acorn
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how much damage does hades do

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because he was hitting for 80 damage with abyssal

forest token
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Abyssal doesn't reduce damage I don't think

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It like slows hit rate

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Or something

quiet acorn
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both

quiet acorn
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for 50+ heat beo do you take hourglass or acorn for elsium

forest token
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depends how comfy you are on beo

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and what's in the well

quiet acorn
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makes sense

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note to self reset of poseidon atack

forest token
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lmfao yeah that'll suck

quiet acorn
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man the dps difference is real

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beowolf is only fun when you kill evrything instantly

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yea

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yeah that happens

cold kiln
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@forest token your guide says double edge is the best hamm on sword
does that include pos sword?

forest token
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yes

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the only good/usable special hammers are like double nova and super nova

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and like they're kinda eh

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you should generally be using teh attack on pos sword

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like throw the casts, and while they're in motion you do your standard rotation

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and also fight your way back to your casts to repeat more or less

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or atk to finish off enemies or something

cold kiln
wispy blade
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dash nova is one of 4 actively negative sword hammers

cold kiln
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why?

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i know it makes you dash but

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it's managable

quiet acorn
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wowi just did a 3 hit tartarus including alecto

cold kiln
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slightly longer animation, easier to be canceled by damage + no sturdy i think

quiet acorn
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yea

cold kiln
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like super nova is 100% better but

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idk man i like it

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especially if i don't get GoatReflex from Hermes

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and also don't have a better hammer

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decent cope hammer imo

gusty badger
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so thanks to the builds channel i realized that i was building beowulf wrong

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and thus i wanted to hear takes about my heat setting as well

forest token
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Sure

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You probably have a cursed pact but we can take a look at it lmao

gusty badger
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weird. can't send images yet apparently but anyway

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hard labor 60%
em4
benefits pack 2
middle management
forced ot 40%
underworld customs
tight deadline 7:00

forest token
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The only bad part of em4 tbh

gusty badger
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OH thanks! didn't know that

forest token
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I didn't do the math but that's probably 32 heat right

gusty badger
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32 to a tee yes

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currently the highest i can go

forest token
#

Was that the pact you used to clear or the one you're using atm for attempts

gusty badger
#

first 32 clear. currently finished three runs with it but it's very hit or miss

forest token
#

Prob because of em4 huh lmao

gusty badger
#

hades is usually a cakewalk or i get wrecked by phase 2

#

not in-betweens lol

forest token
#

sounds about right lmao

#

yeah no em4 should solve that tbh

#

how are you with time?

gusty badger
#

it's either get wrecked by hades or get gibbed by mobs if i use lasting consequences, calisthenics, summons and damage control

#

time wise with this one it's very lenient

forest token
#

oh this is no lasting consequences

gusty badger
#

consistently sub 15

forest token
#

wait this is lowkey kinda based then

#

literally take off em4, take tight deadline 3 and like idk lasting consequences 1

#

if em4 is literally all you're struggling with then that should solve it

gusty badger
#

some mobs are really bad

#

particularly armored flame wheels

forest token
#

i mean yeah but that's kinda just bp2 fo2 moments

gusty badger
#

but yeah i see your point. either have a breeze of a game and let hades wreck my proverbial run or get used to the harder route but easier dadfight

forest token
#

tbh like

#

the "harder route" is quite literally just lc1 for you

sinful zodiac
#

em4 is a build check, you just need sufficient dps

forest token
#

if you consistently sub15 then td3 at 32 heat is free

forest token
#

it's just a hard fight

#

you can "cheese" it with a big damage build and not learn the fight

sinful zodiac
#

with 3 DD, it's not that hard

#

welp that's just me perhap

forest token
#

i mean you're also a good player lmao

#

i have less than 10 attempts that made it to em4, maybe less than 5 tbh

wispy blade
#

its weird how 32 heat is considered so hard

gusty badger
wispy blade
#

i saw someone on reddit who said that "a casual player definitely cannot beat 32 heat"

#

and got like 60 upvotes

forest token
#

the times i won is because of big damage and a decent amount of skill lmao

sinful zodiac
forest token
wispy blade
#

yeah

#

that was rlly stupid

#

i dont know why people consider it like so maddeningly difficult

sinful zodiac
#

it's so stupidly strong that's dad fight it just a damage sink

quiet acorn
#

does rd increaase your attack speed

sinful zodiac
gusty badger
#

maddeningly difficult is perhaps the wrong way of putting it

quiet acorn
#

oh

gusty badger
#

requires effort and grit sure

forest token
#

that's what i said and people didnt like it lmao

gusty badger
#

50+ heat

#

now that there

forest token
#

like i get that 32 heat is difficult

gusty badger
#

that is some maddening stuff

forest token
#

but also like it's doable

sinful zodiac
#

50+ heat is just mostly rng

forest token
#

tbf i did say that 40 heat is doable by the casual player, which might be stretching it

wispy blade
gusty badger
#

i am the dumb with shooters

forest token
#

it's not that much if you know good pact, mirror, and builds

gusty badger
#

cannot aim with valo to save my life

#

friend is the opposite

wispy blade
#

i managed first try with a kinda cursed pact

gusty badger
#

i highly encouraged him to pursue multiple runs but he called it quits after beating hades like twice

forest token
#

lmao rip

gusty badger
#

to some, 32 heat isn't worth investing the patience

forest token
#

i mean imo if you enjoy the game and are willing to play it more then 32 heat is def in the realm of possibility

wispy blade
#

i feel like

#

if you're able to beat the game in the first place

#

you can manage 32

gusty badger
#

oh definitely

forest token
#

like quite frankly i didn't expect to be able to clear 50 heat when i got my first 10 clears or whatever

wispy blade
#

it's just like

#

get hit slightly less

#

and thats it

forest token
#

it's kinda just how dedicated you are to the game imo

#

if you dont want to play that much but like the story and the gameplay, you dont have to do 32 heat since

#

but it's like not impossible

gusty badger
#

huh

#

been a ways since i played without any sort of heat setting

#

but is heat even required to progress the story?

#

it isn't right?

#

can you reach the dinner party without it?

forest token
#

it's not at all lmao

#

it just like exists

#

if you dont want to push heat you dont have to

left prism
#

epilogue can be reached without heat

#

buuuuut have fun actually doing that lmao

#

trading lounge for ambrosia

#

or fishing

#

and whatever prophecy there is

forest token
#

the first prophecy for them gives you a lot of ambrosia iirc

left prism
#

also less blood/diamonds so underpowered too

forest token
#

i think i blasted through epilogue with fists

#

which is why my main save has so many fist runs

#

more than beo i think

#

i 100%ed the game with fists but got 32 heat with beo

left prism
#

also depends what gods you want for the epilogue

#

if you avoid aphro and dio you save quite a bit of ambrosia

#

wait dio no

#

that one just happens by doing the rest lmao

gusty badger
#

right right i remember religiously weapon swapping to get the rewards for each of them bc of the sheer number of resources you need

forest token
#

i still haven't finished rail bounties, i just got 17 heat bounties for it on my 40 heat run a bit ago lmao

gusty badger
#

oh speaking of rail

left prism
#

I think my first 32 finished rail bounties for me lmao

quiet acorn
#

thats not how bounties work

#

lol

wispy blade
#

yea it is

#

i def dont have like any of my bounties finished tho

quiet acorn
#

dont u only get 1 level of bounties

#

no matter the heat

wispy blade
#

yeah

#

bananas meant the bounty for 17 heat

#

not 17 bounties

quiet acorn
#

oh

wispy blade
#

but yea i did like a small amount of playing the game like a sane person and then started speedrunning

sinful zodiac
#

I messed with hell mode toggle on my main save so now my bounty is like 5 heat on fist

forest token
# quiet acorn oh

yeah i quite literally was getting like titan blood and whatnot when clearing 40 heat lmao

wispy blade
#

its crazy how it took me so long to achieve a modicum of skill tho

quiet acorn
#

i maxed every keepsake first then i did every single bounty for every weapon

#

then i tried 32 heat

gusty badger
#

even had to pray for sturgeon at some point

sinful zodiac
#

hades was a learning curve for sure because I haven't played anything similar before

wispy blade
#

i'd played a handful of roguelites

gusty badger
#

i tried gungeon and dead cells

forest token
#

hades is my first roguelite other than like soul knight lmao

sinful zodiac
#

I sucked on nuclear throne and my friend got to like loop 3

gusty badger
#

but hades hit me on a whole other level

#

i was TERRIBLE with gungeon, and dead cells i didn't really get the feel for

quiet acorn
#

ive only blayed bloons before

#

and hill climb racing if that even counts

gusty badger
#

but the building aspect of hades is such a good gameplay loop

sinful zodiac
#

weirdly enough, civ VI and hades is oddly similar in how complex and broken a good build is

wispy blade
#

but now hades is like

#

my 2nd most played game

gusty badger
#

i lack the brain cells for civ

wispy blade
#

which is saying something

sinful zodiac
#

you almost pass my playtime in dota 2, that's something

#

and I played it for 5-6 years

quiet acorn
#

i will hit 1k hours in a few hours from now

gusty badger
#

i REALLY wanted to deep dive into it but i just could not vibe with it

wispy blade
#

cause i have like

#

4600 hours in gd

gusty badger
#

my other great love is monster hunter and half the time i'm just messing around with armors and skills

quiet acorn
#

geomontydsash

gusty badger
#

it's why the mix and match progression part of hades runs is so addictive

sinful zodiac
#

I know it because I used to be one of them

forest token
#

yeah that's why i can't get better at hades

#

i dont have enough rhythm game hours

wispy blade
#

Grue...

forest token
#

def not my lack of practice on hades lmao

quiet acorn
#

i thought i was good at geomtrynry dash when i beat one of the angry face levels

#

šŸ˜”

forest token
#

i thought i was good at geometry dash when i 100%ed stereo madness

quiet acorn
#

then i saw a few vids and quit

wispy blade
#

im still pretty bad

#

im proud of my hardest thoi

#

took me like 15k attempts

quiet acorn
#

šŸ’€

sinful zodiac
#

wait what, 15k??

wispy blade
#

yea

#

oh im pretty sure 2.2 comes out soon

quiet acorn
#

i could leave the game afk for a week straight and wouldnt hit 15

#

k

wispy blade
sinful zodiac
#

that's like 125hours of attempt

quiet acorn
#

i thought the mouse tapping was the music

sinful zodiac
#

demon list require tapping sound

wispy blade
#

i dont have any listworthy demons lol

#

my hardest is necropolix

quiet acorn
#

idk much about gemery dash i play it in the car when i have no wifi

sinful zodiac
#

I don't play it but I know about it

bleak grotto
gusty badger
#

it hard

forest token
#

same with dead cells

gusty badger
#

i love it, but it sure don't love me lmao

forest token
#

i should play dead cells again

#

i'm garbage at it

sinful zodiac
#

I think the base game of gungeon is considered the hardest

quiet acorn
#

i was considering buying dead cells next is it good

gusty badger
#

it's pretty good

forest token
#

it's good yeah

#

i'm just bad

gusty badger
#

the build aspect is there, but is less satisfying

quiet acorn
#

alternatively i can wait for silksong and hades 2 and finish the rest of hk by then

forest token
#

waiting for silksong lmfao

gusty badger
#

definitely still open ended though and you can be very creative with it

sinful zodiac
#

silksong is a myth

quiet acorn
gusty badger
#

wait isn't silksong out

quiet acorn
#

wat

forest token
#

it's out if you're living in 2028

sinful zodiac
#

I haven't bought HK, is it that good?

quiet acorn
#

my fav game

#

even though i only have 200 hours

sinful zodiac
#

noted

gusty badger
#

i mean i don't play hollow knight but friend stopped talking about it so i assumed it was out already lmao

forest token
#

i've heard it's good but i've never played it because i'm waiting for silksong to come out so i can probably get it on sale

wispy blade
forest token
#

or at least discounted with the bundle together

#

silksong is stopping me from getting hollow knight

gusty badger
#

the only knight i know is of the shovel variety

#

and what a knight he is

quiet acorn
#

i need to beat p5 but i think i forgor all the controls

gusty badger
#

oh, word? you playing vanilla or royal

sinful zodiac
#

hades 2 overtook silksong in wishlist but eventually silksong will take it back

#

since hades 2 actually released

gusty badger
#

i finished royal a couple of months ago

#

so gud

quiet acorn
#

oh i dont play shovel knight if thats what ur talking about

rugged hinge
wispy blade
#

i couldnā€™t get into shovel knight

gusty badger
#

wait did you mean persona 5 or is there another p5

sinful zodiac
#

pantheon 5

rugged hinge
sinful zodiac
#

I don't know what it is but hitless p5 is a big thing there

#

as far as i know

quiet acorn
#

boss rush

gusty badger
#

oH

quiet acorn
#

basically

rugged hinge
#

i think its about 42 bosses

sinful zodiac
#

grue

quiet acorn
#

which is excluded

rugged hinge
bleak grotto
#

P5 looks like 60+ heat to me except there's also content gated by it

rugged hinge
#

its a LOT easier than heat 60, id say its moreso 40-high 50s on a good aspect

quiet acorn
#

am i the only abssal blood enjoyer

forest token
#

probably lmao

#

the philosophy is generally just like "kill them faster" instead of "survive longer"

quiet acorn
#

like hades was hitting me for less than 20 dmg per hit

#

with weak and sturdy and abyssal

wispy blade
#

baj said it was possible on eris

quiet acorn
#

nice

#

who is baj

wispy blade
#

aren't u a heat player

#

baj is heat legend

quiet acorn
#

idk anyone lol

wispy blade
quiet acorn
#

except the people you mention here

wispy blade
#

this is his reasoning

#

baj is deleted user

quiet acorn
#

yeah i see

#

you would only want boiling if u can get rocket

rugged hinge
sinful zodiac
#

Baj probably got mental boom after all that 64 unmodded grind

quiet acorn
sinful zodiac
quiet acorn
#

when u shoot at enemy it makes u face them

#

then just cast

#

u can also sort of aim with wasd

rugged hinge
sinful zodiac
#

Beo 50 still use cshot right?

wispy blade
#

if em3

quiet acorn
#

time to add lucifer 50 to the list of things i will do in the future (ideally very distant future)

quiet acorn
#

playing without ri and ap is so refreshing

sinful zodiac
#

I fumbled this one zagcry

#

chamber 34, 2 previous chambers with armored archers

quiet acorn
#

ri moment

#

going back to ri0/ap0-1 always gives me a tiny high

sinful zodiac
#

funny how RI make the game so much harder, even with cp2 js3, I could still fit TD3 in it

#

42 secs overtime=210 heal

#

still comfy enough squirtdevious

quiet acorn
#

damageless crazy

#

i was seeing how long i could keep acorn on in the previous run i had i got to hades phase 2 part 2 with 2 charges left

sinful zodiac
#

when you charge athena full call like in 30 second, perfect dad is way to easy

quiet acorn
#

trye

#

true

#

doomstone lets you charge that in 2-3 secodns

#

found it

#

but after cerby call and lasers and pots it go to hell

sinful zodiac
#

where did you run away from cerbie, look like the top left is probably better

quiet acorn
#

whichever is closer

#

with + dashes and call you can just run around

#

if u had smair would u sell aphro aid to get a better one or keep

#

or just sell smair instead so u get full call

sinful zodiac
#

I would sell

#

call

quiet acorn
#

although if i pommed it up enough i could perma stun dad

sinful zodiac
#

I used that in my zag 50 actually, sell aphro call, get dio keepsake and pray for dio call

sinful zodiac
#

charm last 20% duration on bosses

quiet acorn
#

oh lmao

sinful zodiac
#

just do a quick check, about 1/3 the duration, so you would need 15 secs

#

so lv10 epic aphro call

quiet acorn
#

anything past 2 poms in unreasonable

quiet acorn
#

is it unironically worth taking

quiet acorn
#

i hate myself

#

i beat 2 phases with 3 charges left

#

then immeditately died in 3rd phase

#

with + dashes em4 is cheese

#

55 56 soon

#

the good thing about em4 is everything upto it is basically a walkthrough

quiet acorn
#

i need to get goodge with em4 but lightning strike make me freaking blind

sinful zodiac
#

have you ever tried explosive bullet with rail lmao

#

I'm legally blind stuff

quiet acorn
#

ive been forced into it yea

sinful zodiac
#

you can't even see the wind up of most attack

quiet acorn
#

died 3 times in a row to em4 phase 3 now

sinful zodiac
#

eris lack the safety yeah

quiet acorn
#

is eris unsafe really?

#

feels invincible with + dashes

sinful zodiac
#

the common consensus is that, personally, I feel like rama is the same

#

probably I'm not that good at rama but rama kill boss faster than eris

quiet acorn
#

i think i should do zagshield 50 with em4

#

game really wants me to play lightning strike

sinful zodiac
#

I gamble my jolted at elysium trial

#

at least the other god was athena, didn't get another DD tho

quiet acorn
#

idk how you play ap 2 id rather play ri

sinful zodiac
#

zeus doesn't need much

#

4roll=equal ap1 ri1 copium

#

but dark foresight allow you to get hammer much earlier so your tart won't be miserable

quiet acorn
#

what hammer do you start

sinful zodiac
#

explosive return for zeus, I haven't tried another shield yet

#

probably cshot for all of them

quiet acorn
#

does not having it really make tartarus that much harder

sinful zodiac
#

the witch infinity spawn, ER proc lightning too

#

so you kinda oneshot them with quick throw release

#

kinda handy

#

otherwise chasing witch and those pot bomber is a pain

#

you can still make it work but I'm not that good yet

quiet acorn
sinful zodiac
#

reject eyesight lmao

quiet acorn
#

til pots hurt hades too

sinful zodiac
#

did you turn on aim at mouse

#

hestia phase 3 hades is pain

#

It keep hitting the pot

quiet acorn
#

i didnt shoot at all

#

he self destructed

sinful zodiac
#

welp, the pacifist way

quiet acorn
#

if i had 1 more shard

#

probably instaphase lmfao

#

6480 x 5 right

edgy ermine
#

Isnā€™t there also a boon from Athena that lets traps make more damage?

quiet acorn
#

nah

#

just sure footing

edgy ermine
#

Oh was it chaos then? Bc I kinda remember smth like that, might be mistaken tho

quiet acorn
#

chaos increases trap damage to yourself

#

not enemies

#

would be cool if it worked both ways though

#

i can upload the p3 of that fight if u want it was funnyge

sinful zodiac
#

early access used to have those

#

even a dash curse lmao

quiet acorn
#

dash curse still exists though

#

i wonder if its additive

sinful zodiac
#

damage when you dash i mean

quiet acorn
#

-ve dash sounds funny

quiet acorn
quiet acorn
#

is blocking bugged vs some stuff

#

the spear throw straight up hits me through the shield

left prism
#

Did you block it point blank

quiet acorn
#

ok ig i dont do that anymore

left prism
#

Block is reliable moment

quiet acorn
#

i thought i could just turtle the whole fight but even butterflies get through

left prism
#

Splitting can/may also disrupt your block as a fun thing

quiet acorn
#

intended balance feature

left prism
#

Trying to find the splitting one

quiet acorn
#

tbf that looks like its hitting you from the top

sinful zodiac
#

you can block the head slam near point bank

#

that's just cshot and beo shenanigan ig

#

and who the hell high roll 50 beo with mirage, probably speedrunner

quiet acorn
#

or em4

#

acutally that sounds free

sinful zodiac
#

I don't think sudden rush beo is fun at aspho

quiet acorn
#

ok i beat em4 once and i think im calling it free to easily

left prism
#

I did em4 for 40 and never again

sinful zodiac
#

I would rather em4 to ri2 rn

#

considered myself em4-pilled

#

but haven't done it with non shield tho

#

need more practice with rama ig

left prism
#

My brain was on full panic that time lmao

quiet acorn
#

ohi thought you won

left prism
#

I did eventually win

#

Not that attempt tho lmao

sinful zodiac
#

is that hestia

left prism
#

Zag shield

sinful zodiac
#

and nice 30 damage

#

HUGEEE

quiet acorn
#

just get 3 shards

#

true

left prism
#

Double soul from chaos in tart iirc zaglol

sinful zodiac
#

cshot em4 is really sus, don't know how people do it

left prism
#

We ball

#

Cuz otherwise where would I get my dmg lmao

#

the answer is actually playing zeus shield

quiet acorn
#

the actual answer is play eris

left prism
sinful zodiac
#

look like a rama build

#

probably every big attack aspect

forest token
#

Charged shot is basically bow lmao

sinful zodiac
#

ap2 moment

sinful zodiac
#

the first time I got splitting bolt

#

no patty man

#

what is the bug with splitting bolt again, I died so fast to bballs before I encounter any major bug lmao

quiet acorn
#

zagshield more like pissshield cause it does piss damage

sinful zodiac
#

told ya you need ri0, or get lucky

quiet acorn
#

resetting for hammer start

wispy blade
#

suskaygeagreegebusiness

sinful zodiac
#

I have no idea what that mean

forest token
#

ri moment

quiet acorn
#

PepeBusiness pegalaugh šŸ‘

sinful zodiac
ashen garnet
quiet acorn
#

asterius is. the most anti shield enemy in the game

#

just experienced that first hand lmao

sinful zodiac
#

zagshield?

quiet acorn
#

yea

#

well that wasnt too hard

#

furies are secretly the hardest boss in the game

sinful zodiac
#

because of ri2 lmao

#

I took ap2 dc2 for zag shield bouldy

quiet acorn
#

how is dc2

sinful zodiac
#

not that hard actually

#

just got to line them up then shoot

quiet acorn
#

time already feels tight i wouldnt be able to do that

#

probably because ive not played with it much

sinful zodiac
#

I been doing earing with shield

quiet acorn
#

did you win

sinful zodiac
#

nah, only win with zeus, zag shield got stomped at asphodel

#

may try again

quiet acorn
#

it not too hard

#

asterius can stomp u bc he jump more than the asphodel nuts

#

imo

#

chaos shield seems doable but its just the same thing all over again

sinful zodiac
#

haelian did drunk spec on chaos but time out at dad

#

50 heat

#

his old pact was ri3 td2 when td didn't add spare time from previous biome

quiet acorn
#

wow td sucked then i gues

waxen relic
#

TD2 was max tho

quiet acorn
#

is it worth selling athena core to get atleast 1 pom on attack or keep for extra dd

#

before styx

#

ap2

forest token
#

ngl i feel like it's high roll to get athena on a miniboss door

#

because you have guaranteed 2 sack and you can't like kil yourself in the shop lmao

#

i'd just sell the core if it's useless

#

just dont die tbh

quiet acorn
#

i have to use my only roll to luck into seellinng it tho lmao

#

me when at styx with rare dio atk with 0 poms

#

šŸ’€

forest token
#

oh lmao rip

quiet acorn
#

its all good

quiet acorn
#

i can see myself doing 56 heat with cp2

#

but got to be faster

#

57 with ap1 and em4 is very susge but might be remotely possible in an alternate universe where im good at the game