but you could do dc2 instead
#h1-high-heat-strategies
wispy blade
plush flax
yeah i suck at rama
wispy blade
but yea 56 is basically far as ill ever go cause of em4
unless i decide to actually learn it
plush flax
yeah em4 is just not fun to deal with at the end of a run since I don't really have practice at it
yikes just had to sell lvl 2 rare deadly strike (beo)
still a good run so far but that hurt
plush flax
hazard bomb so goated im oneshotting meg phases
30% calisthenics too
(crit from artemis special i just got really lucky)
such a cursed run man
no attack boon in chamber 34 elysium so was using shackle
then immediately forced to take an ares attack
pretty impressive that i made it to heroes on 54 heat with no attack boon though xd
nah
used them trying to get attack boons from gods i actually want it from AHAH
it's ri2
wispy blade
then immediately forced to take an ares attack
what rarity
plush flax
rare
wispy blade
its not tragic
plush flax
but it hosed my shackle
wispy blade
you still get like a little bit of damage
plush flax
if I didn't end up with a useless keepsake it wouldn't be so bad
wispy blade
well u can deal with it till sell well
wispy blade
o
plush flax
pretty unlucky run in general
no patty
kept getting fountains and shop offered at same time too D:
start was good
natural arty special + tdash and big money from random mirage shot
i got tired of dealing with dc numskulls
plush flax
i got tired of dealing with dc numskulls
*from benefits i am not taking damage control on hestia
no
hazard
yeah
hazard carried me to heroes but i mean getting two shot + doing no damage is pretty rough
think it could've been the run if not for that ares
at least it's not a dio or zeus attack ig
ashen garnet
All my homies hate EM4 
ashen garnet
but yea 56 is basically far as ill ever go cause of em4
RI3 it you coward 
wispy blade
RI3 it you coward <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
60 heat em3 when
how much easier would that make it
u need like
less time reserve
less rng
ashen garnet
60 heat em3 when
As soon as I get used to fo2 again and a splitting bolt tart seed pop (prolly routed/seeded tbh)
quick seal
I'm trying to beat 32 heat on every aspect, currently stuck on arthur. . never played it much and there's been a definite learning curve. After finally becoming proficient and making it to hades consistently I've had 2 4 sacks and 2 5 sacks and died to the timer on hades each time 😢 brutal. No idea what the odds of that happening are, but they definitely aren't high
wispy blade
yeah arthur is pretty bad
hoary pasture
Gotta keep at it wcyd
quick seal
yeah thats close to what I'm doing, I have hl2 and fo1
wispy blade
fo1 gonna be hard on arthur
quick seal
surviving hasn't really been an issue anymore, just need a reasonable styx
wispy blade
if u get hit it cancels dash strike
forest token
tbf the issue is the sack not arthur sucking lmao
quick seal
yeah lol
wispy blade
i mean u could still have time
quick seal
I'm actually not awful with arthur anymore
wispy blade
5 sack still sub20able
quick seal
yeah I had one 4 sack run where I still almost won
wispy blade
well like
even on arthur every run is still gonna be like
at least sub12
and theres no way 5 sack is 8 minutes
forest token
this is 32 heat
wispy blade
its just 2 c34s added on
forest token
that doesnt really matter lmao
ashen garnet
Arthur is a cast-spect
forest token
arthur is slower everywhere else and so you get less of a time bank going into styx
quick seal
its interesting learning to play it though, it really plays very differently than everything else
pulsar heron
fo1 gonna be hard on arthur
Fo1 isn't that bad on arthur honestly
Arthur is my favourite aspect in the game lol
Only weapon I have sub 10 with
heady bone
how
wispy blade
i keep dying like chamber 34 elysium
hestia?
plush flax
yeah
wispy blade
the only enemies that are super annoying in ely rlly are the shield guys
plush flax
im starting tidal dash again now i hate numskulls
wispy blade
if u get shield guys good luck ahve fun
wispy blade
but otherwise it should be fine
plush flax
keep getting em
they just take so damn long
to kill
so either i die to time itself or im panicking from time pressure
wispy blade
if ur particularly having trouble with them you could try piercing start
cursive portal
celeste
plush flax
yeah
cursive portal
same
wispy blade
i didnt either i only have like 20hr
plush flax
i didn't even do half the bsides though
wispy blade
my friend has like 1.6k tho
plush flax
so im not that good at my namesake
i gave up on doing 50 heat with anything other than shield and rail im just gonna keep doing 54 with those 2
don't really enjoy any other weapons
i mean i really only like zag/beo shield and hestia/luci rail too
chaos shield is fun but really really bad
wispy blade
50 heat modded is pretty decent so long as the aspect/wep isnt utter garbo
fists and sword are sus but the others are def doable
plush flax
50 heat modded is pretty decent so long as the aspect/wep isnt utter garbo
yeah idk i just don't like any of the weapons i was trying to do it with
plush flax
oh actually i like guan yu fine i might go back to attempts on that
wispy blade
hestia achilles beo eris zagspear zeus
plush flax
i have hestia beo zeus zagshield eris
plush flax
i think the next 2 i'd go for are luci and guan yu
plush flax
zeus^2 overrated charged shot is better
plush flax
its fun though :3
wispy blade
it's frost strike 
plush flax
damn
wispy blade
replace in aspho
plush flax
unlucky i think
wispy blade
yeah
plush flax
zeus is like the objectively best one though right
i just wanna make sure dio doesn't somehow outdamage it
wispy blade
zeus is more damage but you have to get jolted
and it doesnt tick while ur not attacking
plush flax
yeah
a lot of the time when i go for zeus i just never get static discharge
even though it's most of the damage
quiet acorn
do you take dc for beo
quiet acorn
45
wispy blade
well
theres no standard 50 pact
or standard 45 pact
im pretty sure every 50 ive done has been on a different pact
except maybe zagspear and eris
quiet acorn
arent they basically the same except you try to avoid ap ri and em4
wispy blade
well
i did hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo1 ri2 dc2 ap2 td3 pl for achilles
hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap2 td3 pl for beo
hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ri1 ap2 td3 pl for hestia
hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 dc2 ap2 td3 pl for eris/zagspear/zeus
quiet acorn
pl is the hell mode thing?
wispy blade
yea
quiet acorn
damn
wispy blade
oh and i did hl5 lc4 cf1 js1 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri2 ap2 td3 pl for hestia speed
quiet acorn
why cf1
wispy blade
speed
cf2 bad
it did save me exactly once
i had just enough in tart endshop to buy uc fodder
cause i had 2 boons i wanted i think
quiet acorn
wouldnt js0 give you better speed?
forest token
you can't do js0 on hell mode
quiet acorn
ohh
quiet acorn
hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 dc2 ap2 td3 pl for eris/zagspear/zeus
would you be taking ap2 if you werent playing modded
wispy blade
for those weps?
well
i wouldnt be playing those unmodded
but yea u could put in ri2 ap1 if u wanted
quiet acorn
for those weps?
.
wispy blade
well
id only play stuff that isnt super hammer dependent
so no shield and no zagspear and no eris for me
eris isnt hammer dependent if ur better than me
but i need my delta chamber
hestia perfectly fine unmodded though
even ap2
because you can either
choose to reset for 1/4 attack
doesnt need rarity
or just ball with shackle
quiet acorn
whats 1/4 attack
quiet acorn
oh
wispy blade
with ap2 you get 1 of the 4
quiet acorn
ok
nocturne stag
I cannot remember if tight deadline counts Styx as a separate region with an additional 9/7/5 minutes or not
nocturne stag
Huh. With my best arthur time of 18:54 I can technically take that. But it might be a very risky idea.
especially given all I gotta do to get my goal is beat arthur at 32 heat again in any situation I probably do not need this extreme restriction.
nocturne stag
This is true
I do have a 50/50 winrate on 32 heat. Because I did two runs, and won the second and stopped lmao.
forest token
honestly based
nocturne stag
I didn't have a reason after that until now
forest token
what are you doing now
just a 32 heat run for the leaderboard and making it as cursed as possible?
nocturne stag
Turns out there are exactly 5 unmodded 32 heat arthur runs on the board so if I beat one while recording I am automatically the 6th best at this extremely specific category.
nocturne stag
I could totally just like. Sit there recording in greece for like 3 hours and then submit that but I think I might break my computer doing that.
wispy blade
greece doesnt add to igt
nocturne stag
good to know
wispy blade
igt ends when u kill dad
nocturne stag
I could sit there for 3 hours after completing styx just standing next to cerberus.
just to annoy whoever has to verify runs because it would still technically be on the board
forest token
oh i just realized i forgot to submit my 40 heat 8:38 to src
pseudo kernel
unmodded 32 boards are lol
i got 2 wrs in there and theyre both like 9:0x 
forest token
i was planning on beating it for cotw but i got covid lmao
nocturne stag
I should go find the record of my original 32 clear and just copy it's heat
forest token
god dammit i didn't even upload my run yet
nocturne stag
found it. It was 19:32 lol. Very close to the timer there
and I was using TD3 too so it coulda gone real bad real fast
forest token
td2 js3 good trust
nocturne stag
no
nocturne stag
max hard labor was certainly a choice I made
wispy blade
you usually do that
forest token
it's not a bad choice
nocturne stag
I know. It's just out of character for me lol
wispy blade
standard pact is hl5 lc4 cf2 em3 bp2 mm uc td3
nocturne stag
Then again my strat was "get aphro attack and athena boons whenever possible" so like. Certainly helps.
forest token
that's more or less the 32 heat idea in general tbh
nocturne stag
Things holding me back from going beyond 6th place include: I am bad with casts, have not max'd meg, and don't know how to use specials effectively just generally.
forest token
dont use the special
nocturne stag
that is good advice probably it's not that great
forest token
it's slower and doesnt give you that much more damage apart from actually swinging the thing
you can do it like between waves or phase transitions but you dont use it for dps
wispy blade
dont use the special arthur
forest token
or if you know tartarus break points where you just need 1 special and a cast or whatever to kill idk
i remember reading a bit on that in nalei's guide
nocturne stag
dont use ~~the special~~ arthur
arthur is my favorite weapon ngl. Also if I use a good speedrunning weapon I have to like. Do good to get into the top 10
forest token
picking a dead category is a pretty solid choice tbh
nocturne stag
....why did I avoid forced overtime 2? What was I plotting?
forest token
fo arthur kinda scary tbf
if you're just doing like normal swings then no fo is understandable
if you're like just dash striking with double edge then fo2 is a lot more doable
nocturne stag
if you're just doing like normal swings then no fo is understandable
Okay maybe I was onto something.
forest token
same argument can be made for lower fo on rama tbh but rama actually has range lmao
nocturne stag
Probably not onto maximum speedrunning mixmax strats, but something for sure.
nocturne stag
With other melee aspects I tend to just end up dashing into a wall or lava over and over because I get weirdly tunnel visioned away from zag. And with the ranged aspects I tend to just die a lot
but like. Jury summons was an interesting choice on my part
forest token
what was your pact?
nocturne stag
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146523196791726131/1149904894640275556/i...
it's just a shame that I hate Achilles aspect.
nocturne stag
what was your pact?
hang on let me go figure out how imgur works so I can get the embed
nocturne stag
...I could just post the screenshot to my tumblr with no context that could also work technically
nocturne stag
unmodded 32 boards r so fake LMAO
Yes and I wanna be on the fake one for the bad aspect
It's probably saying something about me that my best aspects are arthur and gilgamesh and my worst are stuff like achillies and all bows and rails. It's saying I should go try Chaos shield to complete the trifecta of bad aspects
nocturne stag
Apparently I've just legit never completed a run with chaos because it's not on the records
forest token
It's probably saying something about me that my best aspects are arthur and gilg...
tbf arthur and gilga are a lot easier to use than the good stuff
achilles, bows, and rails are a pain in the ass sometimes
nocturne stag
Indeed, and I am not actually very good at the game
forest token
also chaos isn't technically bad, it's just that the gimmick does nothing for it and you're just playing bad zag shield
it's still a shield
forest token
all the shields except beo is bad for speed
nocturne stag
forest token
all the shields are just "get cshot" or "get fds" for speed except beo
forest token
https://imgur.com/a/MilXW7N
pact doesnt look that bad tbh
nocturne stag
this was the pact I was using in 2022 or 2021 for my 32 heat attempts.
forest token
looks fine
wispy blade
thats fine
nocturne stag
wow, 2022 or 2021 scourge making good pact decisions
forest token
js1 is the only sus part but that's doable in td3
and it's not like js3 td3 so it's fine lmao
fidi is the other cursed part i guess
nocturne stag
if I actually wanted to do unmodded unseeded and get a real score IG I'd have to do stuff like... learn how meg works and learn good cast things and stuff like that
oh I did max meg at some point IG
is fiery presence better than the other here or was 2021/22 scourge making bad decisions
wispy blade
fiery is almost always better
nocturne stag
Okay good to know. I have made the decision to switch to meg though because it will probably be better.
wispy blade
for meg
just meg midbosses heroes and dad
everything except witches is up to date
forest token
is fiery presence better than the other here or was 2021/22 scourge making bad d...
your pact, mirror, and build are all fine
the only change you could make is like cf1 js1 to cf2 js0
at this point the only thing you gotta do is play the game lmao
use the meg line up video and you should be good
this is the witches line up, timestamped
nocturne stag
That's a good point. And also probably close the two browsers, steam, discord and unrelated download I've got going. Might help if OBS is stressful for my computer.
forest token
lmao true
you can always just use your phone to look at stuff
just pause the game
nocturne stag
Clearly since it's IGT I should pause any time I run into the relevant target and watch the line up video
I said that as a joke but tbh it's not the worst idea I've ever had.
prime path
fiery is almost always better
How
heady bone
not reliant on position
prime path
But its only the first hit right?
heady bone
bomb
prime path
Nem?
heady bone
if you're playing nem you're gonna be inside the enemies
not behind
pseudo kernel
shadow is preferred for achilles and maybe lucifer
chiron still takes fiery for like 32 and below
basically whenever you start using dc2 is when you use shadow
quiet acorn
nvm resetting for hammer sucks
forest token
very nice
forest token
lmfao
nocturne stag
Is there a "correct" time to start recording for a speedrun submission?
wispy blade
Is there a "correct" time to start recording for a speedrun submission?
you need to show prior death
nocturne stag
oh IG I gotta go kill myself in a run then because I just loaded up the game lmao
rugged hinge
im using stubborn because i keep dying to regular rooms, should i up consequences?(i have 0 in it rn)
rugged hinge
a bit of context: my current heat record is 10 with zeus shield
hoary pasture
Make it 14
rugged hinge
make it 64
plush flax
yeah do lc4
if you are already decent enough at using stubborn for boss fights then it's not much harder
quiet acorn
ri2 vs ri1 cp2?
hoary pasture
It depends on weapon and heat but generally RI2
quiet acorn
eris
hoary pasture
How much heat are you doing
quiet acorn
50
hoary pasture
Have you tried the AP2 DC2 route or AP1 EM4?
quiet acorn
ap2 sucks for eris
i tried it
i havent tried em4 though
but i lose on time a lot so it is probably a bad idea
hoary pasture
AP2 just sucks all the time hut Eris can somewhat manage it because it’s not that needy
If left with no other option then I’d try RI2
Eris is a risky weapon, it’s not very safe so RI can be pretty painful
That’s why it’s the last resort
quiet acorn
alright ill experiemnt a bit more with ap2
hoary pasture
With AP2 RI0 you’re bound to get something, sometimes it’s not optimal but usable and it’s a bit of extra dmg to help you throughout the run
quiet acorn
im playing unmodded if that makes a difference
hoary pasture
It just makes AP2 a lot more frustrating
Same for RI
Modded makes you get first boon so atleast you can get runs going. And it also gives you hammer which should be Delta, which in turn makes RI2 easier because you wont die as often
Delta is very safe
quiet acorn
im guessing its the last 3 talents that make RI painful?
quiet acorn
starting with common aphro atk is workable right?
hoary pasture
Yea
quiet acorn
or is shackle start better
hoary pasture
I would start Shackle
You can do AP1 RI2 and start Shackle and try to gamble on minibosses
Especially the Tart one
Because guaranteed Rare+
If you see Athena Demeter Artemis Aphro just take it
Otherwise take something useful /reset
quiet acorn
cp2 for hestia?
hoary pasture
CP1
quiet acorn
oh im not on hell mode
quiet acorn
deadge
hoary pasture
My first 50 Hestia I did AP2 RI0 CP2
You can use CP2 but it honestly feels pretty bad
Just try a couple runs
quick seal
welp, I finally cleared 32 heat with all aspects!
wispy blade
gg
wispy blade
facetanked a laser
i would instead have not done that
you should try not doing that next time
lost geyser
Are there some hidden modifiers for heat levels? I can beat heat 3 easily (only EM) but when I go EM3 I suddenly struggle getting past Lernie...
wispy blade
no
lost geyser
All on Achilles. Guess rng and not being good mixed together xD
forest token
achilles do be kinda hard
wispy blade
i would try not doing that instead
lost geyser
Kay, will go back to Rail then xD
quiet acorn
so im trying to do 45 all weapons but im confused on how to do spear
quiet acorn
do i start arty and hope for flurry / serrated or start zeus and hope for flurry
wispy blade
you can do an achilles cast build
quiet acorn
thats harder than getting the hammer
wispy blade
quiet acorn
cf1?
quiet acorn
no hell modde so i guess i get it then
forest token
dc on achilles is fine if you aren't gonna rely on the cast in like ely
or you start with attacks then cast
but probably generally only doable with flurry imo
quiet acorn
what about fists
wispy blade
ME doable ri0 ap1
quiet acorn
zapfists feels likes a worse eris in every way
forest token
zapfists feels likes a worse eris in every way
Pretty much yeah
But it's pretty consistent lmao
Shoot for long knuckle for safety
Otherwise breaching cross is always good
quiet acorn
i think i will just try to luck into me
forest token
Based
quartz mantle
do i start arty and hope for flurry / serrated or start zeus and hope for flurry
For Achilles I really like starting Arty and then taking Ares or Demeter depending on who I see first, building into their respective duo
Zeus start -> Lightning Phalanx is also possible and gives you a good non-cast scaling opportunity with Jolted and potentially flurry
Flurry is always good tho
quiet acorn
yeah i was trying both of those but i suck so i cant make it out of tart without flurry
they should remove flurry and make it the default spear
wispy blade
GRUE
calm reef
Cause I already got all the achievements
wispy blade
what does your mirror look like
calm reef
Well Im not home but I can show it later
wispy blade
for pact try hl5 lc4 cf2 em3 bp2 mm uc td3
the abbreviations are pinned
on the mirror use fiery presence, stubborn defiance, family favorites, dark foresight, and fated persuasion as swapped and the rest normal
what aspect are you playing
you can use this guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing
calm reef
Mainly Quiron, Arthur and Nemesis
shy plinth
Hoo boy
wispy blade
yea that might be the issue
calm reef
And zeus
shy plinth
Zeus is good
shy plinth
There are a lot of folks who run into this issue that often end up hamstringing themselves with both weapon/aspect choices and pact choices
calm reef
Mainly Quiron, Arthur and Nemesis
But I like those sm ðŸ˜
shy plinth
We're happy to help and seeing what your current pact/mirror config looks like will def help us provide guidance
You can win with those, but for a first time 32 it's not recommended
Eris is probs the most reliable first clear but zeus is good if you know what you're doing with it
calm reef
You *can* win with those, but for a first time 32 it's not recommended
First win
calm reef
Eris is probs the most reliable first clear but zeus is good if you know what yo...
Whats eris
shy plinth
The rail aspect
wispy blade
or hestia
calm reef
The reload one?
shy plinth
Hestia also good yeah
Eris is the "stand in the bomb and you get a huge damage buff" one
wispy blade
eris is +75% damage for 4 sec after standing in special
shy plinth
Hestia is the reload one
wispy blade
hestia is 150 base damage after manual reload
calm reef
eris is +75% damage for 4 sec after standing in special
Ohh
shy plinth
Both quite strong and reliable for first time 32s
calm reef
Both quite strong and reliable for first time 32s
Is Zeus possible?
wispy blade
zeus is good
shy plinth
Of course, but it's a tricky weapon to play
wispy blade
but hard
shy plinth
But if you know what you're doing it works, like I said
calm reef
I really thought quiron was great lol
shy plinth
Chiron is really slow and not great for crowd control
calm reef
Arthur I always knew ir was bad
shy plinth
It's a fun aspect but it doesn't scale all that well
I actually think arthur is solid enough, but it falls off pretty hard once you turn up heat
Can't really deal with DC
wispy blade
I really thought quiron was great lol
it locks u in place for a long time and doesnt do very much damage
shy plinth
Yeah if I wanted to use a bow I'd use rama or hera
calm reef
Well this may be the issue
shy plinth
Part of it, though again - mirror and pact choices are hugely impactful and players often intuitively choose harder choices
calm reef
But what always kills me is asterius
shy plinth
This channel has basically been telling people to stop taking calisthenics program, approval process, and routine inspection for 4 years
shy plinth
Lemme guess. You had some of those
calm reef
Yea
shy plinth
Yep. Post your pact and mirror later
We're happy to help and you are not the first person to make those choices
calm reef
I use calisthenics and approval
Approval actually gets me mad sometimes cause I often pick a bad boon just to get rid of it
shy plinth
Every rank of calisthenics program you use gives asterius 2000 health
Approval process makes your build not work so you do less damage
The lethal combination of pact choices is when you make enemies stronger and yourself weaker
People are terrified of the timer because they turn on all the pacts that make the run slow
The key is to make enemies stronger without weakening yourself so you can actually get a good build going and then the enemies are much worse at hurting you because they are dead
calm reef
Yeah now that you say it it feels like Im making something hard even harder
shy plinth
You are indeed 🙂
calm reef
I died 3 times due to time
shy plinth
Yeah
We see it a lot - people turn up all the pacts that make enemies harder and us weaker, then they die to time, so they turn down the timer 🙂
It's natural but not the way to go
calm reef
I would even say that asterius is definetively my run killer
80% of the time
But sometimes I die to Hydra but thats cause of bad positioning in the fight
forest token
approval process 1 isn't too bad sometimes but like there's no reason to take it at 32 lmao
also imo nemesis for first 32 is pretty doable as long as you get double edge for the extra damage
because otherwise it'll take a lot longer to kill stuff lmao
and you need more of a good/clear build pathing for it compared to like zeus, eris, hestia, etc
calm reef
On Nemesis I like to do Dionysus + Aphrodite
forest token
dionysus isn't that great on nemesis
he's good for the call, but he's good on like every aspect for the call lmao
aphrodite is fine for high % number
try building into heart rend
or deadly reversal if you want athena in your god pool
calm reef
Well Im gonna be able to play in like 5 hours or so
Dont know if yall gon be here but Ill show The mirror and pacts
shy plinth
I feel confident that someone will be around
calm reef
where do I send imgs
wispy blade
post link
calm reef
link?
wispy blade
like
wispy blade
calm reef
yea
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643830809538592820/1151295335105306634/im...
flip 1, 7, 10, 11
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643830809538592820/1151295514483097680/im...
yea theres gonna be your issue
calm reef
flip 1, 7, 10, 11
k
calm reef
yea theres gonna be your issue
lol
wispy blade
you want to lower extreme measures to 3
calm reef
yeah they were saying this to me
wispy blade
take off jury summons
and calisthenics program
entirely
which are the ones above and below extreme measures since idk if those translate
eh looks similar
calm reef
I know them yes
wispy blade
use lasting consequences 4
since you're already on stubborn defiance
are you comfortable clearing in less than 20 minutes
or 28
calm reef
I have to do a test run but I guess I can
calm reef
just hold up a second cause Im still on the mirror
wispy blade
so you can pause whenever u want
take the shop basically whenever you see it
and in rooms, dont spend too long running around dodging without hitting enemies
you want to be actively damaging your enemies as often as you can
ofc dodge when you need to
doing that should get your times low
calm reef
and in rooms, dont spend too long running around dodging without hitting enemies
thats my playstile
wispy blade
yeah thats gonna be a big time sink
calm reef
this really right?
wispy blade
is that the flip of
shy plinth
Is that dark foresight
wispy blade
is that dark foresight
shy plinth
Did we not have dark foresight before
calm reef
yea
wispy blade
well
third most important
but yeah
you really want dark foresight
super important mirror option
shy plinth
Well ok I guess I was taking a second dash for granted lol
wispy blade
and also sd
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643830809538592820/1151295514483097680/im...
are you experienced with forced overtime or are you only putting it on for this 32 heat clear
oh you mean flipped
i thought you meant like existing vs being RId
calm reef
man
calm reef
I think this would be so much better to do in a vc
wispy blade
but if not it's gonna be very difficult
shy plinth
The pinned 32 guide is really really thorough
wispy blade
yep
shy plinth
I would strongly recommend it
shy plinth
There are pictures in the guide that you can just match
calm reef
yea yea
shy plinth
Matching the pictures should be plenty here, there was a lot of opportunity for improvement with what you were running on - I'm not surprised it was so challenging
wispy blade
thats right
shy plinth
Hopefully these changes take you from half a run to all of one 🙂
calm reef
yea asterius was being a complete run killer
shy plinth
So let me try to explain what you experienced vs what was happening - it feels like there's this brick wall at asterius, but what's going on overall is that your power growth vs the enemy power growth was not aligned
You were getting stronger a lot slower than they were
Asterius hammered the point home, but there is a lot of content after him that would continue to put a lot of pressure on your build
You can't win without killing things and elysium is where you really need damage output
Remember that you had EM4 on and were not getting to hades
There is a long road between asterius and hades and it is all uphill
calm reef
I got to hades 4 times
shy plinth
I'm guessing it was quite challenging
calm reef
died 3 times because of
well
time
cause his hp wouldnt go down
things are starting to make sense now tbh
shy plinth
You see what I mean 🙂
calm reef
well now i gotta get used to speed I guess
I died to alecto lol
guess I took the no dodging thing too seriously
but I can totally see that its easier
shy plinth
Good luck, please keep us updated!!
rugged hinge
my current 32 heat pact(i suck at the game for now) is:
em4, uc, hs, cf2, bp2, mm, cp2, dc2(depending on weapon).
fl and lc vary depending on what im feeling like doing
are there any changes i should make? notes:
- no td
- im not used to fo due to the fact that im making a big jump from 10 heat with zshield to 32 for fun.
- SCREW JS BECAUSE OF CLONE TRIAL WITCH SPAM AHHHHH
forest token
em4 is the problem lmao
hs and cp2 are shafting you
prob go with hl5 lc4 cf2
uh
rugged hinge
i havent even made it to a single pot attack yet(my best run died to the minibosses)
forest token
i havent even made it to a single pot attack yet(my best run died to the minibos...
yeah dont take em4
first phase em4 is quite literally rng dependent
and the fight itself isn't easy to begin with
that's probably your best bet
with no fo and td
no td is the bigger issue here tbh lmao
td2 is like minimum imo
and yes that is approval process
since this takes dc2 you also invalidate a bunch of aspects
the other solution for that would be like ri or something
but ri bad
rugged hinge
i dont really do well with slow aspects besides gilg
forest token
what does slow aspects have to do with anything
you're running td0 lmao just use whatever
rugged hinge
if i do take hs, what should i replace
forest token
js or dc
just dont die to an ely, styx, or dad trap
because that will take an SD or just kill you outright
also makes em2 a lot more difficult
rugged hinge
i dont really mind dc outside of slow weapons
forest token
well dc shafts like
rugged hinge
so js it is
forest token
most bows, hestia
arthur
makes killing enemies a lot longer
also hestia is objectively the easiest aspect to clear with
and dc makes hestia terrible
rugged hinge
i dont use bows or sword often, with hestia it could be bad
forest token
it will be bad with dc
like tbh
td1 hs instead of dc2 so you can use hestia might not be that bad
bleak grotto
I cleared 32 heat first try with Hestia, I did! It's that easy
forest token
or like js3 hs dc0 for hestia
at the bare minimum, if you just reload and fire every shot on hestia, you'll be fine
you can ignore the special
and ignore general aoe
start aphrodite attack and hope it's rare+
if it's common it's fine
pom it a lot
grab any % special that isn't poseidon but his isn't that terrible if it's late in the run and you dont have anything better
tdash or ddash
just dash/special whenever you reload to cancel the animation
calm reef
Man
I really wonder
How was someone able to do Max heat run
The bot called me out for saying sheet
ashen garnet
How was someone able to do Max heat run
practice practice practice
forest token
Tbh at that point the issue also becomes the right rng lmao
Like there's 2 or 3 other players that can absolutely clear 64 given the right seed/rng
It's just that the chances of a good run are so slim that it's near impossible
calm reef
does patroclus hydralite work with the no healing at all pact?
sinful zodiac
After 32 heat, which heat should I try next?
My current setup with 32 is usually hl1 lc2 cf2 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3
quiet mountain
forest token
After 32 heat, which heat should I try next?
Some jump to 40
I think most do
32 to 40 typically isn't that large unless you haven't been using lc4 sd
shy plinth
If 32 to 40 involves learning FO2 it can be a big jump
sinful zodiac
I actually have problem with dad without more than 1 DD
And without patty, SD just not that viable for me
shy plinth
Wait that 32 setup is super hard
You're doing HL and FO2 and the partial LC thing on DDs?
That's going to be really tough - learning the dad fight is worth it so you can make the pact cleaner
sinful zodiac
Yeah, I do have problem with theseus and lose some dd there
shy plinth
The pivot from DDs to SDs is definitely tougher on heroes and dad because we get so used to facerolling them
Remember how we played back when we were learning the game? Doing those fights really precisely, working on not getting hit instead of pure damage output, timing dodges etc
That's what I had to do when I went to consistent 32s and it was all about just breaking bad habits
I'd strongly recommend cutting FO2 from that pact and going HL5 LC4 SD
sinful zodiac
Well that suck, I used to play cast build a lot for those first clears
shy plinth
It's really about learning the fights
sinful zodiac
So I haven’t got used to dad yet, especially the spin move
shy plinth
At a certain point you gotta not get hit
That's gonna be important for pushing heat - I'd watch some videos of high heat clears from the leaderboard to see if you can identify choices that those players are making that you might not be making as well as patterns in the bosses that might not be obvious while playing
And then intentionally approach the bosses with the plan of working on evading tough attacks - Hades sweeps are big ones
sinful zodiac
I did see Angel timing on the spin attack and have been trying
shy plinth
Ah yeah, angel good
sinful zodiac
And I’m apparently suck with the dash strike, I usually just fumble
Dash then strike
Making run with sword and bow kinda weird ngl
forest token
Could always practice on skelly for getting the timings right
sinful zodiac
Yeah, mkb
shy plinth
Dash strikes are a lot harder there
sinful zodiac
I used to dash at cursor so my dash need a lot of work too
forest token
Dash strikes are a lot harder there
Are they lmao
sinful zodiac
Is there anyway to practice just the bosses?
forest token
Oh fair
shy plinth
I've talked to other people before who have trouble with dash strikes on mkb
forest token
Is there anyway to practice just the bosses?
You could make save states of the bosses
Idk how to do that but people have done that
shy plinth
Not saying they're highly difficult but a click and a space at the same time isn't trivial I think
Yeah
forest token
It's harder for sure yeah
shy plinth
You basically quit game the room before a boss and then copy the save I think?
sinful zodiac
Dashing on kb is not as smooth compared to controller I think. The only upside is the aim and dashing and attacking at different direction
shy plinth
MKB seems to be clearly advantageous for ranged aiming
wispy blade
rail:
forest token
MKB seems to be clearly advantageous for ranged aiming
It's pretty bad unless it's for shield rushing lmao
Rail uses auto aim
shy plinth
Don't mkb players turn that off
wispy blade
bow is pain
forest token
You're likely to miss a lot more on bows (git gud but also you have to do more practice compared to a controller)
wispy blade
Don't mkb players turn that off
no on kbm you turn off aim at cursor on rail
you literally don’t aim
shy plinth
Oh I see
shy plinth
Well I think I will stick with controller lol
forest token
Kbm is better for melee since you can dash and attack in a different direction
With controller I'm pretty sure you can only dash attack into the enemy
wispy blade
tree mentioned at high heat u dont go flood flare why?
you can't get mirage
it's just like
really really hard to do when you're introducing ap1/2 and ri levels
passion is good enough damage without mirage
quiet acorn
only passion flare or does phalanx work as well
wispy blade
phalanx has less damage
doesnt proc pstatus which is relevant around 50 on beo
because the beo 50 strat is passion flare and snow burst/frost strike/mistral dash cope
for pstatus
pseudo kernel
phalanx has less damage
and smaller
quiet acorn
do you even get pstatus with ri
wispy blade
do you even get pstatus with ri
takes ri2 to turn it off
quiet acorn
because the beo 50 strat is passion flare and snow burst/frost strike/mistral da...
oh ive been going for mirage shot
pseudo kernel
wispy blade
yeah
pseudo kernel
just get mirage shot anyways
wispy blade
grue
wispy blade
good at it
quiet acorn
because i imagine you have a lot of damage with beo
shy plinth
Beo players take em4
wispy blade
i didnt
pseudo kernel
not a real beo player
wispy blade
i did hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap2 td3 pl
shy plinth
One True Beo
wispy blade
not a real beo player
where joomba
quiet acorn
i tried em4 but i got stunlocked by a butterly
pseudo kernel
just dont get bballs
wispy blade
just turn on with mod
quiet acorn
mod
quiet acorn
i think i should get it
quiet acorn
just do that pact
ri1 ap2?
quiet acorn
have to take dc1 then
quiet acorn
but im already losing to time in tartarus
because of those big rooms where the witches spawn 1 by 1 for 2 mins
quiet acorn
o
wispy blade
or dash strike them into a wall
quiet acorn
speedrun modpack has feature to toggle hell mode
where do u get it
wispy blade
left prism
modpack has a text file with instructions
left prism
put what in the mods folder
grab the mods folder from the modpack, go to the content folder of hades (through steam right click and see local files)
drop mods folder there, then paste the installer into the content folder and run it
quiet acorn
i put the mods folder in the content folder?
left prism
yeah
quiet acorn
error
left prism
send img of the files
quiet acorn
left prism
oh are you on mac?
quiet acorn
ye 
left prism
uhhh I think you needed to do smth more but I don't remember
try asking in the speedrun or modding server
quiet acorn
man
wispy blade
ye <:hidethepain:1066469525530357800>
people need a crash course in how to use the ctrl f function on discord
left prism
forgot that guide existed
quiet acorn
tysm
i hate file stuf
i ended up deleting my operating system on my preevious laptop
left prism
wut
wispy blade
wat
sinful zodiac
How hard is hell mode, I figure it’s hell since I still getting stun lock by fury sisters
wispy blade
biggest problem is js1 cp1 forced
wispy blade
biggest issue is like splitters
sinful zodiac
I hate alecto and her beyblade
forest token
tbf we advise against it because the difficulty spike it gives isn't that big of a deal once you like start to clear consistently because those are just like pact conditions they you already have access to
except personal liability
sinful zodiac
Randomly running into them is like 50 health gone
forest token
and also like js1 cp1 like said earlier aren't fun to deal with lmao
i dont think hell mode was implemented well in this game tbh
wispy blade
it rlly should be toggleable
forest token
but like idrk how they'd make it harder unless they made enemies themselves stronger outside of the pact
like a built in cp1 js1
but then like climbing heat on hell mode would be stupid difficult because then you get like cp3 lmao
idk i'm not a game dev but i dont think hell mode was good
sinful zodiac
it rlly should be toggleable
That’s the reason i’m here in the first place, messing with save editor to enable hell mode and can’t turn it back
sinful zodiac
Yeah, I have did that already
sinful zodiac
I did it, but man lernie with hs sure is something else https://imgur.com/tWLrU3V
luckily, I took tooth or the run just end
sinful zodiac
you can do that 👀 ??
sinful zodiac
well, zeus shield only need zeus so that is safe
not sure with other
you mean skelly right 
oh ok
I thought you were being funny
noble kite
@forest token is the guide the same for all weapons?
forest token
yeah
the changes you make to the pact might be aspect dependent tho
like rama, zeus, fists, and non-hestia rail could take dc2 if they wanted to
but dc2 would cripple like hestia, every other bow, etc
but if you do like lc2 ap1, that would still work for every aspect
noble kite
I got to the last boss with only 15 seconds left
Should i keep trying on 32 heat to get used to it or should i tone it down
rugged hinge
also depends on players, with td and hs being big examples
if you lack time, just lessen/dont take td
noble kite
I also only had like 10 hp left
forest token
what was your previous heat record
noble kite
8
forest token
oh lmao
rugged hinge
previous records dont matter to me
noble kite
Yea im the goat i can do it i just need practice
sinful zodiac
without td, i feel the run can get really dangerous in normal room espcially elysium
forest token
you can either do more 32 heat runs and you'll eventually get it, or hone your skills at lower heats (practice em3, td3, etc) and climb bounties and then do 32 heat
noble kite
What bow aspect is the best
forest token
not chiron
noble kite
I had rama on
rugged hinge
without td, i feel the run can get really dangerous in normal room espcially ely...
well in elysium you have patroclus, and touch of styx is goated with sd
noble kite
But i like hera the mosy
forest token
other 3 will work fine for 32 heat
noble kite
Most
forest token
hera and rama will work fine
forest token
hera cannot take cp tho
sinful zodiac
well in elysium you have patroclus, and touch of styx is goated with sd
that the problem, relying on patty rng is not good for me
noble kite
Rama feels trash
shy plinth
Zag good with the right hammers
noble kite
hera cannot take cp tho
Cp?
shy plinth
Rama v much not trash
forest token
calisthenics program
forest token
Rama feels trash
it's just a steep learning curve
noble kite
It feels too slow for me
shy plinth
Depends a lot on your pact and mirror of course but so does everything
forest token
that's part of the learning curve lol
shy plinth
Rama in particular has a lot of videos on the Leaderboard
forest token
dash striking helps but it is a little slow
noble kite
I dont like slow
shy plinth
Watch tailesque videos
forest token
but it's very very strong
shy plinth
It is v much not slow, it's just counterintuitive
I learned Rama years ago from watching tail play it
noble kite
Should i spend my titan blood on hera upgrades
sinful zodiac
I once have triple shot and explosive shot with rama, fun stuff
forest token
clearing rooms in 2 shots is good
noble kite
I have 7 rn next upgrade is 4
rugged hinge
i "learned" rama by spamming relentless volley
shy plinth
Spend it on whatever you want, you'll get em all eventually
noble kite
Whats the max level
rugged hinge
5
noble kite
Alr
shy plinth
There are some aspects that really need the blood and some that are fine with one
Hera gets better with more pretty quickly
noble kite
Gonna try another run will update
forest token
i "learned" rama by spamming relentless volley
sounds like you learned budget delta chamber rail
shy plinth
Have you gone through your pact and mirror?
rugged hinge
if you really want to win 32 heat, shield is very cool
shy plinth
You can 32 with anything
First time 32s are often with Eris or hestia
But lots of options
sinful zodiac
I think haelian is conducting a survey for that
forest token
they all work granted you have a good pact and mirror
forest token
I think haelian is conducting a survey for that
he def is
he's working on a 32 heat video
shy plinth
Oh good I get to go put down gilga and skew the results
forest token
source: he messaged me if he could mention my guide in his video lmao
shy plinth
Oh that rules
rugged hinge
i wonder why sg didnt add a remove contractor renovation pact
forest token
I've been working on a video about 32 heat in Hades, particularly what players used for pacts, aspects, etc for their first clears. So I gathered a bunch of data from screenshots of people clearing it for the first time and will be sharing it in the video.
Anywho, I'm bothering you because I know you created a 32 heat guide that has helped a lot of people lately. I'm just making sure it would be ok if I discuss your guide a tiny bit and show it in the video.
specifically this
so yeah expect a 32 heat vid from haelian soon
with a good chunk of data
idk where he's grabbing his screenshots from tho
maybe reddit and discord i guess
sinful zodiac
My pact is actually from haelian with the partial LC thing
I just like going fast so FO2 too
sinful zodiac
nah, hl1 only
forest token
ik he did lc2 ap1 when he streaked 32 heats but i dont remember the rest of his pact