Specifically Cursed Pact but I ain't gonna reject good advice.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
severe wedge
Specifically Cursed Pact but I ain't gonna reject good advice.
EM4 CP2 is the biggest problem
You can make it to EM4 without too much trouble (I would have a good deal of trouble but anyone taking this pact must be way better than me lmao) but that fight is brutal w/ CP2
however not having any HL might save you so maybe doable, idk
severe wedge
LC4 is unnecessary at 32 heat imo but do what u want
shy plinth
You continue to be an iconoclast on this point lol
Everything is technically unnecessary but for 32 heat pacts there are very few options that are a better deal for 4 heat and we already take them
severe wedge
You continue to be an iconoclast on this point lol
at the very least HL5 is def unnecessary for 32
shy plinth
You usually have to pick 2/3 of HL5, FO2, TD3
mossy zinc
Bruh.
hexed sapphire
EM4 RI4 LC4 TD3 FO1
shy plinth
The HL5 TD3 pact is by far the most consistently successful
severe wedge
I can understand SD LC4 but HL5 I will die on the hill of being extremely unnecessary for 32
hexed sapphire
HL5 is the "I don't want FO2" pact
shy plinth
Yeah
severe wedge
The HL5 TD3 pact is by far the most consistently successful
I didnt take HL5 for any of my initial 32 heat or 40 heat clears
mossy zinc
You don't need to understand it to acknowledge the results though. 
hexed sapphire
u underestimate strength of FO0
shy plinth
I didnt take HL5 for any of my initial 32 heat or 40 heat clears
Your experience is a massive outlier based on your play skill
severe wedge
You don't need to understand it to acknowledge the results though. <:tizomg:4569...
I had much better results like a dozen times without HL5 though
mossy zinc
Missing the point again.
severe wedge
I only took HL5 at 40 once I had done 40 on every weapon and was just doing the rest of the fists aspects. And only bc I was too lazy to want to change the pact too much
forest token
I mean if it works for you fine
They're saying what has been more consistent for other players throughout their years of coaching
shy plinth
There are players who have enough skill to win outside of traditional strategies and recommendations, which is pretty cool to see - but it doesn't invalidate the strategies and recommendations
forest token
They've seen lc4 SD and hl5 fo0 work well for many people so they're gonna keep recommending it for others
timber beacon
Never thought I'd see the day that doomstones become an actual threat.
forest token
Grizz likes taking js3 td2 at 40 heat, everyone else hates that but he likes it so whatever
timber beacon
Much less end my run lol.
mossy zinc
I can assure the pacts I originally recommended where quite different from what we figured out is actually the most reliable pact.
It's probably not perfect, but haven't found anything better yet. Sometimes some small adjustments depending on the player.
timber beacon
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO, Beat my first war room
shy plinth
And it is true that HL5 is not necessary - I take FO2 HL1 CF0 because I love CF0 and got used to FO2
mossy zinc
Never thought I'd see the day that doomstones become an actual threat.
Did you change the pact according to my recommendations and start Heartbreak Strike?
mossy zinc
And it is true that HL5 is not *necessary* - I take FO2 HL1 CF0 because I love C...
I take HL5 FO2 and get sub 10 easily.
I think everyone should just do that.
timber beacon
Did you change the pact according to my recommendations and start Heartbreak Str...
I was gonna.... But then I saw epic different league...
mossy zinc
Different League does a whole lot if you have 80% damage reduction from god mode. But Weak is still better.
mossy zinc
is it additive
No, but damage reduction adds more eHP the more damage reduction you already have.
timber beacon
Different League does a whole lot if you have 80% damage reduction from god mode...
Ah, well if I die I'll correct my mistake, it'll be my fault anyways.
severe wedge
There are players who have enough skill to win outside of traditional strategies...
enough skill? bruh HL5 is harder, lmao it doesnt take less skill to win with it
mossy zinc
Your anecdote is not evidence.
severe wedge
how can you honestly think taking double damage is easier than enemies moving a bit faster
timber beacon
Huh, so this is what I was like.
forest token
how can you honestly think taking double damage is easier than enemies moving a ...
i wouldn't call 40% "a bit"
also if you're trying 32 heat, the assumption is that you have enough game knowledge to avoid most attacks at fo0, so the occasional hl5 hit isn't that punishing tbh
esp with lc4 sd resets
hexed sapphire
they move and attack and their projectiles move 40% faster
mossy zinc
how can you honestly think taking double damage is easier than enemies moving a ...
Because that's what the results are.
forest token
there's no difference on beowulf
mossy zinc
You can argue with results all you want, isn't gonna change the facts.
light sedge
how can you honestly think taking double damage is easier than enemies moving a ...
FO requires you to learn new patterns and reactions, while HL relies on your current knowledge
hexed sapphire
the difference on Beowulf is u die to FO2 hades with cast iframe bug faster
shy plinth
enough skill? bruh HL5 is harder, lmao it doesnt take less skill to win with it
You've had FO2 on for 150 hours
Most people have not
mossy zinc
@hexed sapphire with max god mode and no other damage reduction or dodge chance yet, epic Different League is effectively +88% HP lol.
forest token
the difference on Beowulf is u die to FO2 hades with cast iframe bug faster
oh yeah lmao
severe wedge
i wouldn't call 40% "a bit"
but 100% damage is way worse than 40% move speed
shy plinth
That's just not true for most players
hexed sapphire
cast iframe bug genuinely makes beo unplayable for me
100% damage doesn't matter if you don't get hit
shy plinth
It might've worked out that way for you, but learning new patterns is dramatically different than just being more precise about not getting hit with the patterns you already know
forest token
i got beybladed to death by bull the other day because of it lol
severe wedge
FO requires you to learn new patterns and reactions, while HL relies on your cur...
you still have to dodge better bc every hit wrecks you
hexed sapphire
40% speed coming from nothing is hits no matter which way you slice it
shy plinth
Everything moves in slow motion
severe wedge
it's not much harder to dodge w FO2
forest token
shy plinth
That just does not match with what many people have said or felt
mossy zinc
again, try FO0 hades vs FO2
LMAO
shy plinth
I'm glad it worked out for you but it's not generally applicable
forest token
someone going from fo0 to fo2 is basically relearning all enemy timings
even fo0 to fo1 is relatively rough
mossy zinc
Why on Earth are you telling vets in this channel to try this pact vs that pact.
hexed sapphire
I'm not
mossy zinc
You literally just did.
shy plinth
I believe amb was trying to tell max that
hexed sapphire
I am the vets 🙄
hexed sapphire
FO2 is recommended to get in your repertoire if you plan on pushing heat any further than 32, though
mossy zinc
Definitely yeah.
shy plinth
I'm a full-time FO2 player and I'm def glad I learned it
But also my first 32 had HL and not FO
timber beacon
I'm a full-time FO2 player and I'm def glad I learned it
Hoping FO training in lower heat's gonna help me in this.
shy plinth
Both are worth learning, one is a much higher learning curve, both are necessary for 40+
That's what I did
Spent like a week learning FO and dying a bunch
hoary pasture
Where 45
hexed sapphire
the biggest roadblock is bossing
hexed sapphire
I use savestates still so I don't forget how it goes
v noticable on lernie and hades especially
forest token
oh fo2 em2 lernie is so much pain
mossy zinc
Hoping FO training in lower heat's gonna help me in this.
If you want to really push into high heat, I recommend dropping god mode and just practicing speedrunning with EM2 FO2 for awhile until you can comfortably clear and get sub 20s consistently and know the builds.
Wouldn't be the first person who went from playing with god mode to getting into high heat with god mode off.
shy plinth
Yeah consider 0 god mode to be another "pact"
mossy zinc
Speedrunning that pact will help you learn the builds and build your fundamentals.
hexed sapphire
Yeah consider 0 god mode to be another "pact"
HL20
shy plinth
That's some chill heat
hoary pasture
amb have you played the 99 heat mod
forest token
you should do it
hexed sapphire
JS99
forest token
infinite enemies
mossy zinc
amb have you played the 99 heat mod
@daring hedge probably wondering why there's a low heat mod.
hoary pasture
JS99
That's only if you edit it tho
I think most stuff just gets doubled
Which is still awful but it's gud
daring hedge
153 heat mod or bust
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Should be 154 or it's not a barrel roll, no?
shy plinth
153 heat mod or bust
How many levels of shared misery are you taking
daring hedge
How many levels of shared misery are you taking
i wish i had an image ready of the 153 pact but for 120... :) https://i.imgur.com/35s6vpU.jpeg
clever otter
i wish it was possible to downpatch the game, just to see it again lol
mossy zinc
That would be great.
light sedge
Playing through old patches would be such a trip
mossy zinc
Let's compete in Blood Price again. 
clever otter
i want to play the very first patch again
hoary pasture
Tounis played on like v1.0 or something somehow
shy plinth
I would def enjoy playing on 1.0 chiron again
timber beacon
These are mods rii?
mossy zinc
That's a screenshot from early access.
shy gulch
he had a download on his computer already or something? i dont quite recall
but it wasnt through downpatching
hexed sapphire
wtf is a tenebrous veil
mossy zinc
Tounis so fast, he traveled back in time.
shy plinth
wtf is a tenebrous veil
Well it's like a regular veil except it's really tenebrous
mossy zinc
Well it's like a regular veil except it's really tenebrous
Alternatively, it's like regular tenebrous but as a veil.
clever otter
#h1-discussion message
this is all the old heat options
daring hedge
wtf is a tenebrous veil
approval process
hexed sapphire
+100% whipped frenzy
mossy zinc
oh god that's horrible
For you it's horrible. For Tailesque it was Tuesday.
Or... at least some day of the week.
idle hound
SD LC4 is just what you do now
I mean i do feel like i have been enlightened
mossy zinc
32+ is just SD LC4, yeah.
If you want to do EM4 at 32ish for whatever reason, probably better to stick with LC0.
severe wedge
JS3 FO2 >>> HL5 LC4
forest token
shy plinth
JS3 FO2 >>> HL5 LC4
Listen, I understand your experience, but it's going to be fighting uphill to tell players over and over again that your advice needs to be taken with an asterisk because your progression has been so unusual
JS3 FO2 is going to be a huge challenge for people looking to unlock a statue
mossy zinc
Why acknowledge evidence when you can just repeat unsupported claims instead.
idle hound
JS3 FO2 >>> HL5 LC4
If i wanted to chase a million things i cant ever achieve I would just think about love
shy plinth
There seems to be difficulty internalizing the feedback that anyone can do what they want but the way you went about things proved to be unsuccessful for quite a few players that don't have your execution ability or results in a short period of time
idle hound
Hermes guide me with that pact
shy plinth
We just don't want people to feel discouraged
forest token
also js3 with td3 lol
these are players who dont think they'll have enough time to clear, and you want to give them js3
shy plinth
It worked for them and I understand wanting to share a successful experience with others
haughty sky
🎣
shy plinth
But it's also really out of the ordinary from what we've seen and historically has not translated to consistent success while HL5 LC4 really has
"I had an easier time with JS3 and FO2" sure! "Everyone will have an easier time with JS3 and FO2" def not
mossy zinc
Frankly, the claim that HL5 FO0 at 32 was or is harder than HL0 FO2 for maximusdecimusmeridius is not something I am willing to accept as a fact. It's not impossible, but it's a hypothesis. There are various factors that might have contributed to the losses and wins, and correlation does not imply causation.
shy plinth
One punishes you more for getting hit and one makes getting hit a lot more frequent
shy plinth
I personally clicked better with FO2 for repeat 32 runs and higher heat pushes, everyone that wants to go 40+ will need to learn it at some point
But it also took a lot of work and a week of deaths to adapt despite multiple months of playing prior and well after my first 32
severe wedge
There seems to be difficulty internalizing the feedback that anyone can do what ...
Indont have execution ability. Im god awful at this game fam, that's why I can understand others who suck too
forest token
bold statement coming from someone who's cleared 40 and 50 heat
just because you cleared 50 heat once and didn't do em4 doesn't discredit it at all
you're much better than the average player and you need to recognize that
mossy zinc
Im god awful at this game fam, that's why I can understand others who suck too
That is not how that works. Conlusion doesn't follow from the premise there.
shy plinth
Indont have execution ability. Im god awful at this game fam, that's why I can u...
This is an incredibly spiky mindset that is not accurate
Highly competitive and highly skilled players repeatedly focus on the mistakes they make and are oblivious to the successful execution that others do not have
I started playing this game in 2020 and you started playing this game like months ago and you have already beaten my heat record by 10
You do not understand the degree to which you are an outlier
timber beacon
That's a screenshot from early access.
That's insane, were you people superhuman?
mossy zinc
That was even before I played.
Tailesque isn't superhuman, though.
He's a star fox.
A star fox beats every run with at least 1 Heat more than you.
timber beacon
Lek.
mossy zinc
That's just how they barrel-roll.
daring hedge
no TD certainly helped because the 153 run took like 45 minutes and it even ends after elysium
mossy zinc
@timber beacon btw can you show your mirror? Can probably help you make some improvements there if you're still attempting that 36 Heat run.
timber beacon
Do you want recommendations? This is at odds with most typical choices
I mean, I ain't refusing but I can guess what you're gonna say.
shy plinth
What do you think
modest wharf
I know you like your own thing most of the time but how is golden touch helping you more than starting off with 100 obols?
shy plinth
I mean the ultimate question here is what you value more - doing things your way or doing things in a way that has been historically successful for many
timber beacon
Cthonic Vitality, Greater reflex, infernal soul, chthonic blood, deep pockets, thick skin, Family favoutite and fated persuasion
shy plinth
Not a wrong choice if you say "I would rather go my own route"
Yep
I guess my mirror recs are pinned after all
timber beacon
I mean the ultimate question here is what you value more - doing things your way...
I'm cool doing both which is why I'm here, maybe I can find a healthy balance between the two.
shy plinth
If I were in your shoes I would try the more commonly taken choices on both the pact and the mirror and see
Also I would make SURE you max out dark foresight
That mirror talent is nutso bonkers good
mossy zinc
If you're dead set on taking Ruthless Reflex, you can go for it. But Greater Reflex is 100% gonna be an easier run.
Yeah, keep Fated Authority lower and just max out Dark Foresight.
timber beacon
https://i.imgur.com/X9Rs3eq.png
Really, you'd recommend death defiance for this? I die a lot more on mob rooms than bosses tbh.
mossy zinc
Really, you'd recommend death defiance for this? I die a lot more on mob rooms t...
Tbh that's because you're starting with High Confidence.
I don't even take High Confidence when speedrunning 32 Heat.
timber beacon
Tbh that's because you're starting with High Confidence.
True
I'm surprised the Bayssal blood and stygian soul is being kept
mossy zinc
Stygian Soul is fine on Malphon.
timber beacon
Damn, privileged status AND god's pride?
mossy zinc
Abyssal Blood has way more value than normal if you have god mode on.
timber beacon
Ok.
timber beacon
Abyssal Blood has way more value than normal if you have god mode on.
True.
mossy zinc
Privileged Status is good if you're starting Heartbreak Strike, yeah.
timber beacon
Alright then, I've switched around my builds before.
mossy zinc
If you have Heartbreak Strike + god mode from the start, Thick Skin is giving you an additional 357 eHP over High Confidence lol.
shy plinth
There is also a pinned sheet for mirror guidance if you ever wanna check it out
mossy zinc
Well, not exactly because you'll take some hits here and there from enemies that aren't inflicted with Weak yet. But for the most part, it holds.
Oh yeah, if you use Gilgamesh, then Ruthless Reflex is fine.
Demeter Aspect better though. Zag Fists also easier.
Weak + max god + Thick Skin starts the run with 714 eHP. If you're using Zag Fists, then that goes up to 840 eHP.
And you'll benefit even more from any Centaur Hearts, damage reduction, and dodge chance you pick up.
forest token
Acorn
idle hound
even with the fist?
forest token
Unless you really struggle with poison, then spear point
shy plinth
Acorn
forest token
even with the fist?
Well what's wrong with acorn on fists
You get hit, damage is nullified
idle hound
im like, an inch into the enemy
because, fist
also i dont dodge, i dance
(take damage gratuitously)
shy plinth
I don't know what that means but it seems like nullifying a hades sweep five times is good
mossy zinc
Unless you really struggle with poison, then spear point
If you struggle with poison, take Acorn and stop struggling with poison.
forest token
True
timber beacon
Lel
timber beacon
(take damage gratuitously)
We really are the braid dead cope pick huh? 😆
I’ll say press the dash button more, but I don’t know how much that helps cuz I’ve been in the same boat.
forest token
We really are the braid dead cope pick huh? 😆
Good thing acorn is good for that in dad fight lol
timber beacon
Good thing acorn is good for that in dad fight lol
Indeed, though at higher heat spearpoint is a godsend tho.
forest token
That's just em4 lol
Higher heat, acorn is even better
Well
Better the more hl you take
mossy zinc
No. Spearpoint is only for EM4 with low DPS and high HP, basically.
shy plinth
Yeah acorn still very strong
mossy zinc
Well, in Esc_apade's case, Acorn kinda bad in dad fight because too much damage reduction to make it worthwhile vs Lucky Tooth for example.
Whereas the HP from Lucky Tooth gets a lot more value from the damage reduction.
shy plinth
I don't usually think of high heat in the context of God mode I suppose
idle hound
it doesnt even feel hard now
timber beacon
No. Spearpoint is only for EM4 with low DPS and high HP, basically.
Ah? Well I’ve only taken em4 since the first time it’s maxed out my heat so. 
shy plinth
Ez
timber beacon
Well, in Esc_apade's case, Acorn kinda bad in dad fight because too much damage ...
Ye
idle hound
in that case it would be Collar right?
mossy zinc
Collar only with 3+ DDs.
But yeah, that's a much better option if you have that high of an eHP modifier.
idle hound
if not that, i guess tooth
there has to be a breakpoint where acorn is surpassed i guess
mossy zinc
Yes.
idle hound
wait, doesn't skull earring fit Stubborn like a glove?
mossy zinc
That's by design, yeah. Skull Earring used to be at 30% HP in fact.
Just like SD.
But sometimes your SD rounded up and Skull Earring didn't work after reviving lol, so Amir increased it to 35%.
idle hound
good workaround
hoary pasture
Earring gud keepsake
mossy zinc
I kinda like it for Asphodel with AP2 just to save some time there.
God keepsakes get pretty low value with AP2.
idle hound
interesting
light sedge
Do you still force stuff with AP2?
idle hound
that's on really high heat i suposse
mossy zinc
And if you know you need more damage to hit breakpoints, it can help a lot.
light sedge
That is one heat I will never touch
mossy zinc
Do you still force stuff with AP2?
Sometimes yes, sometimes you start Shackle. Forcing Lady Athena in Asphodel after that is always good. Or maybe Lady Demeter for Beowulf with Passion Flare start because anything between Frost Strike, Mistral Dash, Snow Burst, and Ravenous Will will be somewhat helpful.
Well, if you still need Shackle after Tartarus, you'd keep on Shackle, of course.
light sedge
hmm fascinating
idle hound
Ok so the only keepsakes that have no use or niche are memory and duster no?
mossy zinc
Forcing Lady Athena is just hoping for deflect (ideally dash) and DDs along the line. If it's so high you'll need multiple attempts anyway, you only need 1 or 2 runs of getting what you want from her to make it.
Hopefully.
light sedge
That's a little too much RNG for me
But I respect the struggle people go through because of it
timber beacon
Ok so the only keepsakes that have no use or niche are memory and duster no?
Memory has had at least some use on Bow runs I’ve seen.
And hell, I might pick up duster soon.
mossy zinc
Distant Memory range is too far to be useful.
timber beacon
Ah?
mossy zinc
It's not far as Sniper Shot, which is entirely useless on bow lol, but it's still too far to be practical.
You'll get some use of it here and there, but it's not enough to make up for the opportunity cost.
On top of that, it's less damage than Skull Earring to begin with lol.
timber beacon
Damn…
Pure gimmick pick then lol.
It genuinely seems like Myrmidon Bracer is more useful than it.
mossy zinc
Myrmidon Bracer has a niche in builds with very high eHP.
severe wedge
Myrmidon isnt bad it just doesnt affect ur DPS so it isnt as good as others
mossy zinc
Interesting and seems to be true lol. Dash left/right through Skelly > sword Special hits. Dash up/down through Skelly > sword Special is out of range.
lime elk
isometric povs are strange
hexed sapphire
sometmes on AP2 athena just doesn't cooperate
🤷♀️
extreme heat is a lot of coping
hexed sapphire
:heatPls:
mossy zinc
i’ve timed out in ely 3 times in 90 minutes today
How are you surviving 3 times for 90 minutes with TD on?
forest token
sheer will power
haughty sky
dash iframes
haughty sky
i’ve timed out in ely 3 times in 90 minutes today
jaunty falcon
By having damage
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1064041557277282384/...
Is this my "just get AP2 +3 dashes in 1-3 tries" 50+ strategy?
light sedge
There's something I cannot quite figure out, but starting at what heat is it considered a high heat run? Does it start at 32 since it's a game-imposed challenge?
mossy zinc
32+ is where the high heat leaderboard starts, for what it's worth it.
Devs didn't determine a fixed number for the channel.
light sedge
I see, but most people have agreed on 32, ty
mossy zinc
Well, nowadays there's so many 50+ clearers here that some people are too intimidated to ask for help with "low heat"/32 here and just ask in the other channels lol.
idle hound
Enough to fry eggs 
mossy zinc
Even 40 sometimes.
light sedge
Oh that's a shame! Idk why people feel that their accomplishments are invalidated for playing at a lower-than-absurd heat. It's all perspective, and as long as they found it fun and challenging and overcame it, that's all that matters.
timber beacon
^
And it ain’t like the peeps in here are elitist, they’re pretty cool and they try to reduce the difficulty as much as possible:
idle hound
so im trying out the zag spear at low heat to get the handle of it and...
its kinda slow?
like, special, recover special recover
is there some dance to it?
hexed sapphire
is there some dance to it?
Ignore the special
🙂
(unless you get exploding launcher, in which case weave it into your damage cycle)
(special dash strike dash strike)
base spear atk kinda sucks too so u might wanna look for flurry jab
idle hound
(special dash strike dash strike)
so like guan yu
hexed sapphire
if you don't get exploding launcher just disregard the special entirely
idle hound
i mean i got piercing and critical return on special hammers at least
hexed sapphire
Not good
idle hound
its really that bad huh
i followed Radish to test, going with poseidon special
so basically we are just going with the usual combo and only capitalize on the bonus special damage by accident?
hexed sapphire
+15% isn't a lot since it's still additive and not +15% base damage
idle hound
ok its much faster now
32H gonna be interesting with this weapon though, not my taste
timber beacon
What is?
hexed sapphire
to put that in perspective, 15% is lower than the first special pom for every +% special boon
that sent late
timber beacon
Yeah, follow amb’s advice, I didn’t know we were talking about high heat strats.
My b amb.
idle hound
Ok imma try 32 now
light sedge
i followed Radish to test, going with poseidon special
Yea... that build really only works with Chain Skewer and Rupture/Breaking Wave
It should work with Exploding Launcher, but I've not tried it much
idle hound
we go with the usual aphro atk then i take it?
ok, so with lc4:
positive outlook
strong drink
or drunken flourish
?
all common
light sedge
Are you going for any Dio duos?
forest token
Zag spear right
light sedge
My pick would be Strong Drink then, the dmg up adds up
idle hound
Zag spear right
ye
idle hound
My pick would be Strong Drink then, the dmg up adds up
thought so
idle hound
k, thanks!
light sedge
ye but 10% for common is kinda bleh
forest token
Esp with lc4
idle hound
see if i find it rare later
forest token
Oh all common
idle hound
thanks guys
light sedge
yea that's something else to consider, if you have to sell smth later
idle hound
not me using all rerolls not get divine dash :I
light sedge
If so, and you don't have something to trash, I would pick the flourish instead
forest token
not me using all rerolls not get divine dash :I
This is why we only reroll once lol
forest token
This is also why we dont rely on ddash lol
idle hound
i dont need it to be fair, but i looove it
forest token
If you don't get what you want from a god btw, just take a random core boon to fill the slot
idle hound
yeah, ok
timber beacon
This is also why we dont rely on ddash lol
Ddash addiction is a serious problem, it must be taken cared of carefully but succinctly. 😐
idle hound
not present in hades2 lol
light sedge
If they rework Athena's deflect abilities for Hades 2, people are gonna mald so bad
timber beacon
Lel.
light sedge
Seriously tho, there really isn’t a bad dash rii?
They're all good imo
idle hound
kinda hoping for redesigns all over
timber beacon
I don’t think there’s even a single person complaining about Ddash being too broken.
idle hound
found flurry jab gg
timber beacon
They're all good imo
Same tbh, it’s just playstyle and build imo.
idle hound
#in bee movie voice#: You like dash?
timber beacon
Lel.
idle hound
ok flurry jab is cheating
next situation:
im entering asphodel, not looking for any boon in particular
keepsake?
i guess i can force zeus in go for smoldering air?
3 gods on pool yet
timber beacon
i guess i can force zeus in go for smoldering air?
Ye.
light sedge
What do you have on attack? Splitting Bolt would be nice if you have Zeus' attack heh
idle hound
aphrodite atk
light sedge
Ah hmm
idle hound
ill try SAir
aaaaaaaaand demeter showed up on shop before zeus lol
extra 5%dmg i guess
timber beacon
Lel.
idle hound
rare cropped dash lmao
timber beacon
Lel.
idle hound
onto Elysium
sell epic billowing or common strong drink?
if i find SAir billowing will wreck
solved
jaunty falcon
Billowing yea
idle hound
as in keep?
light sedge
Sell strong drink, if you have Billowing with SAir
shy plinth
I mean it's epic billow
I cannot think of any circumstance where it's correct to keep drink
light sedge
Dio Aid with SAir is so good
idle hound
yeep, and the aid is epic too
light sedge
Get blackout if you can
hexed sapphire
This is also why we dont rely on ddash lol
yeah we do
ddash is my pride and joy ooo aa oo aa I love ddash as someone with around 2 60 heat runs under my belt
hexed sapphire
both of my 60s have ddash 🔥
shy plinth
Turns out routinely taking less damage is good
jaunty falcon
All my 60s have drunken dash
idle hound
i like how i went there with tooth and athena extra life just in case
hexed sapphire
smair iframes are so cracked
mossy zinc
All Calls have i-frames on activation.
idle hound
a
hexed sapphire
all calls have a small amount of iframes on use
hexed sapphire
saves my ass so many times
shy plinth
Nyaanyaa's Aid
light sedge
Anyone ever use the summon to despawn projectiles or is it just me lol
hexed sapphire
Anyone ever use the summon to despawn projectiles or is it just me lol
it's so good against EM4 with bad adds
shy plinth
I mean we don't have to tell you but
mossy zinc
saves my ass so many times
lol I remember a time when it was just me, Krashercorr, and I think Tailesque actually abusing that in high heat.
hexed sapphire
panic meg to do dmg and kill projectile
shy plinth
THE Krashercorr?
timber beacon
Anyone ever use the summon to despawn projectiles or is it just me lol
Which one is that lol? Or is that all of them?
mossy zinc
Yeah, I learned that one from him, if I remember right. Then abused the hell out of it while he just used it kinda here and there lol.
timber beacon
Ah.
light sedge
Which one is that lol? Or is that all of them?
Whenever you use your companion it despawns projectiles, should be all
mossy zinc
Summon also gives i-frames btw.
timber beacon
I’ma use em in these Doomstone rooms cuz they suddenly turned into my worst enemy.
light sedge
Works well in a pinch during a nasty trial of the gods, looking at you homing witches
timber beacon
Whenever you use your companion it despawns projectiles, should be all
Wait… Does it work on lasers?
idle hound
Works well in a pinch during a nasty trial of the gods, looking at you homing wi...
Dont even name them
hexed sapphire
picking up a room reward also gives iframes 👍
mossy zinc
Indeed.
idle hound
picking up a room reward also gives iframes 👍
Bouldy!!
hexed sapphire
doesn't work on lasers while they're out cz those aren't traditional projectiles
at least I think I've never tried it
mossy zinc
Holy Shield also gives i-frames for a very brief moment after you get hit lol. People keep falsely claiming Divine Dash gives i-frames, but her one boon that actually does is Holy Shield.
hexed sapphire
but it works on stuff like mm skrusher's shockwave
hexed sapphire
It's decent
I wouldn't call it invaluable
at the point where I have hell mode on I am searching for other things from Athena
like extra dds
mossy zinc
I think it's kinda garbage but at least does something.
Well, it's better than Nourished Soul, that's for sure.
So not quite garbage.
light sedge
I mean, haven't you honestly been TKOd by a nasty clump of attacks?
Asterius' axe waves are BS for instance
or if during EM4 you get put against 2/3 medusa heads
damn it Dyno
hexed sapphire
(copium)
actually now that I'm thinking about it it's a lot less copium than I thought
useless pommables are really bad on ap2
mossy zinc
Nourished Soul is literally -1 room reward if you play with LC4 lol.
Can't even purge it.
timber beacon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1016891459779170414/...
Also, is pommin Ddash worth?
timber beacon
Can't even purge it.
That sounds like a you problem.
mossy zinc
No.
No, it's not my fault. I asked the devs more than anybody to make it purgeable.
They would not.
Thanks, Amir.
hexed sapphire
nothing that gives a one time drop is purgable for some reason
idle hound
its not purgable because you permanently benefir from it
timber beacon
chip damage i guess
Thought so, I feel like the upgrade should increase deflect dmg.
idle hound
by getting the food
hexed sapphire
can't purge deathless stand
light sedge
That's a take I can agree with
mossy zinc
I mean, haven't you honestly been TKOd by a nasty clump of attacks?
Vast majority of my high heat deaths, Holy Shield wouldn't have saved me.
light sedge
Fair enough
I wonder how it would calculate into eHP
It can at least help you save some acorn damage if you get shot from everywhichway
mossy zinc
Yeah, definitely occasions when it's great.
hexed sapphire
mossy zinc
Speeder Slugger can be so brutal.
hexed sapphire
on wavemakers it's just instadeath
light sedge
on greatshields 
mossy zinc
I like being killed from off-screen by unreactable projectiles.
hexed sapphire
doesn't the game pick 2 perks to disable for the entire run
mossy zinc
@idle hound if you can do sub 15 at 32 Heat, just do 40 Heat.
idle hound
im feeling unstoppable
idle hound
<@318796036195876865> if you can do sub 15 at 32 Heat, just do 40 Heat.
i could try, though my current goal is getting 32 with all aspects for now
sounds encouraging though, i will attempt
hexed sapphire
40 is not that much worse than 32
mossy zinc
doesn't the game pick 2 perks to disable for the entire run
Does it? I think cgull might have mentioned something to the effect before when I didn't pay attention.
hexed sapphire
you have to be slightly more precise and rooms will take a bit longer
it definitely adds up if you aren't careful though
mossy zinc
I got 52 WR before I did 32 all aspects. And I died more with some aspects on 32 lol.
hexed sapphire
some of the aspects are just 
hexed sapphire
yeah, im dreading rails
really? rails are pretty strong heat wise
idle hound
yeah , im just very reckless with them for some reason
mossy zinc
Recently, I find myself just wanting to play Zag Bow and Chiron.
idle hound
and zag rail bores me a bit
mossy zinc
I mean, you can do a speedrun pact for 32 with Eris and just play recklessly and win, so that works lol.
mossy zinc
idle hound
rd?
jaunty falcon
Rush delivery
mossy zinc
Play recklessly, but don't dash into head slams lol.
hexed sapphire
i hate eris but it's good
mossy zinc
Easiest would probably be Delta Chamber start.
hexed sapphire
yeah , im just very reckless with them for some reason
well
when you're on eris look out for delta chamber
that gives you full iframes on dash strikes
yeah
I didn't see that lmao
jaunty falcon
I start explosive fire 🔥 😈🗿👍
hexed sapphire
uhhh Hestia's whole point is safe and strong dmg
mossy zinc
Cinnabarco and all the lurkers getting an i-frame crash course here today.
hexed sapphire
and it's pretty hammer tolerant so first hammer can be almost anything
mossy zinc
I start explosive fire 🔥 😈🗿👍
And then die to Lernie.
hoary pasture
Does it? I think cgull might have mentioned something to the effect before when ...
At the start of the Eris route you can see the runner empty the clip into Skelly and waiting for a couple clicks to alter the house seed, since that's what determines what 2 bp perks get removed from the pool for the next run
mossy zinc
I can't because that would require that I watch a routed run.
hexed sapphire
the eris route is just so perfect
mossy zinc
I've just always had 0 interest in routed lol.
hexed sapphire
that's fair
idle hound
that gives you full iframes on dash strikes
Uuuuuuuhhhhhh
idle hound
Cinnabarco and all the lurkers getting an i-frame crash course here today. <:tiz...
A máster class holy Hades
hexed sapphire
if you weren't aware already, dashes have full iframes but dash strikes remove iframes
forest token
Ddash addiction is a serious problem, it must be taken cared of carefully but su...
Well I wouldn't roll twice for it or even once unless I'm going for ME lol
forest token
Seriously tho, there really isn’t a bad dash rii?
Nasty dash kinda bad
hexed sapphire
I would roll twice 😎
forest token
You'd just reset if you don't get it lmao
hexed sapphire
holy shield -> bronze skin -> blinding flash
idle hound
if you weren't aware already, dashes have full iframes but dash strikes remove i...
i learnt this pretty late
thankfully ive been correcting
light sedge
In part it's the reason why fists suck
idle hound
yeah 😦
mossy zinc
if you weren't aware already, dashes have full iframes but dash strikes remove i...
m like 90% sure every time we write that in chat, it's the first time for somebody lurking to hear about it.
sharp jackal
In part it's the reason why fists suck
NO, they DO NOT!
hexed sapphire
Fists are better than sword at EM4 exclusively because of long knuckle cope
forest token
Long knuckle is based
light sedge
NO, they **DO NOT!**
They don't suck in the sense that they are bad, just that they are undertuned
forest token
I used to think long knuckle was the best fists hammer because I didn't think breaching cross was that good lol
mossy zinc
They're bad because EM4 is brutally anti-melee. 
light sedge
I wish long knuckle would also affect the dash-attack, since you know, it's also an attack
hexed sapphire
the game in general is anti melee
sharp jackal
Love me some Draining Cutter (that’s what it’s called, right?)
mossy zinc
Yeah, but EM4 takes it up to eleven.
hexed sapphire
sword em4 is so hardddd
idle hound
I wish long knuckle would also affect the dash-attack, since you know, it's also...
....what
dash isnt long knuckled???
hexed sapphire
fists dash attack isn't super relevant anyway, tbh
idle hound
i thought fists were ALL about dash atk
forest token
Because fists are all about ME lmao
hexed sapphire
they are but the dash attack itself isn't
light sedge
Because fists are all about ME lmao
If you're gonna boil down a weapon to a single specific build, i'm sorry, the weapon sucks
mossy zinc
It's only relevant for Breaching Cross really.
forest token
I mean fists does kinda suck lol
I mean ofc there's zap and drunk
But those wouldn't utilize dash strikes the way ME does
mossy zinc
I've never liked Merciful End, but ZAP on Malphon makes me cringe so hard.
forest token
Lmao why
light sedge
What else would work tho? Blackout?
hexed sapphire
that's a Talos thing
forest token
Also kinda vaguely falls under drunk fists lol
light sedge
I mean, that's fine since we're speaking about fists in general
forest token
Black out would work but it's like eh I guess
Is the damage boost from it global or something
light sedge
I believe so, yea
hexed sapphire
yeah but black out is sus
hexed sapphire
and isn't it only like 35%
forest token
Feel like fo2 would make black out hard to use much
forest token
and isn't it only like 35%
Thought it was 60
hexed sapphire
oh 60 hmm
forest token
Yeah 60
mossy zinc
Lmao why
If Malphon actually had the range to cope with Tidal Dash knockback, it wouldn't be so far behind Merciful End lol.
forest token
Oh lmao
light sedge
ez
mossy zinc
Feel like fo2 would make black out hard to use much
Trippy Shot good either way and stuns enemies, so it's quite nice.
light sedge
It slows armored foes too iirc
mossy zinc
I don't think they're affected. Could be wrong.
But Numbing Sensation will do that either way.
Numbing Sensation kinda underrated.
light sedge
Gonna try to put smth together with this to see if it can work
Hangover should inflict a miss chance as well imo
mossy zinc
lmao
light sedge
Have it be true to its name, y'know lol
mossy zinc
I think he has plenty of nice boons, just wish Peer Pressure was just deleted from the game.
hexed sapphire
I used black out for my Talos 50 lmao
hexed sapphire
I think he has plenty of nice boons, just wish Peer Pressure was just deleted fr...
drunken dash + bad influence 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
light sedge
Ah
mossy zinc
Who has Talos WR right now? I should get my Talos WR from Early Access back some time maybe.
mossy zinc
AngeL1C only has 1 unmodded WR, yeah.
hexed sapphire
unmodded is probably some random Chinese guy
mossy zinc
They're not random lmao.
jaunty falcon
Magnil likely
mossy zinc
light sedge
unmodded is probably some random Chinese guy
That's a pretty yikes take
hexed sapphire
56 unmodded is a pretty far cry imo
timber beacon
Nasty dash kinda bad
well it combos well tho.#
hexed sapphire
is unmodded chiron wr really 52
forest token
well it combos well tho.#
Combos with what
jaunty falcon
is unmodded chiron wr really 52
Are you really gonna beat it tho
timber beacon
Combos with what
Privileged Status.
forest token
Privileged Status.
Mistral dash is better for that lol
hexed sapphire
Combos with what
drunken dash + bad influence on beo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
forest token
True
timber beacon
Mistral dash is better for that lol
Trueeeeeeeeee
forest token
(what does bad influence do)
hexed sapphire
Because Chiron was cracked
it had 1 extra arrow
jaunty falcon
1 less but 15 damage
timber beacon
drunken dash + bad influence on beo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I've never had that, sounds crazy lol.
jaunty falcon
So 105 base instead of 80
hexed sapphire
I've never had that, sounds crazy lol.
it's a really dumb scaling option but it's a scaling option
shy plinth
1.0 chiron was very powerful
forest token
it's a really dumb scaling option but it's a scaling option
It's so cursed lmao
jaunty falcon
I remember a Haelian video where he got charged volley conc volley hera and just nuked
hexed sapphire
charged volley 🧐
mossy zinc
Also I swear in 1.0 the wr was like 55
lol no it was 45. They nerfed it pretty quick.
hexed sapphire
just ignore the special like modded 57 does
mossy zinc
I saw patch notes, thought that sounds broken, I'll get Chiron WR real quick, did that, went to sleep, and when I woke up there were like a handful of people who got inspired and beat it lol. I think some of those runs aren't on the board, so maybe WR was a little higher than 45.
Plus, that was most of us high heat players still frequently forgot to record the previous death for unseeded because we'd just split unseeded from seeded on the board.
So people weren't used to it.
jaunty falcon
Skill issue Lmao Tbh
severe wedge
zag bow and exclusive access, should i go for aphro or artemis attack in asphodel? i have pstatus on the mirror, started w tidal dash and could get shoals later
mossy zinc
There was so much resistance against splitting the categories in early access...
shy plinth
The 1.0 unseeded runs were all copied over to the currents heet and EA is there too
I have Krashercorr's sheet as a tab
So much manual effort, bless their heart
Looks like the 1.0 Chiron WR is... Ledger?
mossy zinc
Possibly. But I know there were more runs that day and not all of them are up. So some people probably didn't submit because they got beaten before they had a chance or something lol.
shy plinth
Wouldn't be surprised
mossy zinc
Or forgot to record previous death and didn't bother.
shy plinth
@bronze viper do you remember the saga of 1.0 chiron WRs?
mossy zinc
Hmmmm. ledgerdamayn submitted the same runs to seeded and unseeded.
They literally nerfed Chiron not even two weeks later lol.
There's no previous death in the two videos.
I'll let it slide because it's over 2 years old.
Looks like I still had the unseeded WR in 1.0 after all.
Or not. Mine is in seeded lol.
Recording previous deaths is hard.
Oct 2, so that was already v1.36.
Unless we did those runs before the update hit that day.
timber beacon
Unless we did those runs before the update hit that day.
Hey, so I tried your strategy... It's really good but I'm just not fast enough and not used to DDs, so I died to The HEroes lol.
Is this for any fist aspect btw or Gilga?
timber beacon
what strategy lmao
She gave me a strat to use for heat 36.
forest token
like pact?
forest token
what build did she give you?
if you're using gilga that might explain why you're struggling on time a bit lol
granted the fists and gilga would all build the same i think
but gilga is just generally slower
haughty sky
zeus attack kinda bad on gilg
timber beacon
zeus attack kinda bad on gilg
Zeus Dash goes hard tho.
Though that’s more Fists than Gilga tho.
timber beacon
if you're using gilga that might explain why you're struggling on time a bit lol
I was not using Gilga.
forest token
oh lmao
forest token
might be unfortunate room rng then
haughty sky
start zeus attack then do whatever imo
timber beacon
https://i.imgur.com/X9Rs3eq.png
^
haughty sky
36 you can probably make ME work but not every run
timber beacon
^
haughty sky
and when you don’t get the duo it sucks
timber beacon
I think I might’ve found out where I went wrong tho.
haughty sky
dio is worse than zeus if you’re not running ap ri
forest token
that wouldn't help much with your time issue tbh
timber beacon
well drunk fists pstatus would be fine i guess
Oh yeah, also for some reason nothing was coming up for status effect on any of my boons.
forest token
aphro atk on fists is also quite questionable tbh
haughty sky
yea
modest wharf
I think the idea is to get weak for lots of effective hp
haughty sky
well gilga you can start splash then run whatever on attack
timber beacon
bad rolls cripple you
Honestly I could’ve most likely spec’d into pstatus if I didn’t save my fauth like a dense.
hoary pasture
It’s just the facetank strat
haughty sky
but standard fists always want flat damage
forest token
I think the idea is to get weak for lots of effective hp
yeah that's what it seems like, but then you'd end up with relatively low dps so you make the fights last longer
and longer fights mean more damage likely taken
hoary pasture
80% damage reduction basically nullifies most threatening stuff
timber beacon
yeah that's what it seems like, but then you'd end up with relatively low dps so...
But if I got pstatus going that wouldn’t be a problem
haughty sky
pstatus mental gymnastics is not worth 15% damage
timber beacon
80% damage reduction basically nullifies most threatening stuff
^
forest token
i mean i get that 80% damage reduction is a lot
but at that point why not just take zeus atk for fists
instead of trying to stack more effective hp
haughty sky
there are 3 other slots for weak
timber beacon
pstatus mental gymnastics is not worth 15% damage
Fam, it’s 40%
forest token
Fam, it’s 40%
that's 4 extra damage per punch isn't it lmao
haughty sky
fam, it’s 15% more than family favourites
mossy zinc
instead of trying to stack more effective hp
Because you can get easily get thousands of eHP.
forest token
6 or something idk
forest token
Because you can get easily get thousands of eHP. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
i get the idea, but wouldn't you just make fights last a lot longer so you would get hit more
timber beacon
fam, it’s 15% more than family favourites
Ah, usually it’s more than enough tbh.
forest token
you can still get a lot of eHP without aphrodite strike can't you
esp if we're going down the fated authority path
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike DPS is nowhere near as bad on Malphon as you make it out to be lol.
forest token
i mean it's questionable to say the least
it's prob not that bad but also zeus is better is it not
mossy zinc
Not really for the strat, no.
haughty sky
i would love 20 extra dps from aphro instead of jolted and zeus supports
forest token
do we really need to stack more eHP on top of 80% god mode tho
he said he ran out of time
haughty sky
too bad you can only get weak on the attack, real miss from sgg
forest token
which meant it was a dps issue at that point
hoary pasture
With 80% godmode and weak and potentially more damage reduction you’ll genuinely have a hard time dying
forest token
i get that
it's just that he ran out of time
and eHP wont save you there if you run out of time
timber beacon
Not really for the strat, no.
Btw, I think I just need to get used to it tbh. My dashes were longer than I was used to and that kinda hampered my dps.
timber beacon
If you timeout most the time it’s because you’re not efficient enough
Probably.
forest token
oh it's td2
mossy zinc
Yeah, just gotta go again. Pretty sure you got this.
forest token
yeah aphro strike would work for the time frame then
hoary pasture
Could see myself putting Aphro on another slot but the strat is fine as it is imo
timber beacon
Yeah, just gotta go again. Pretty sure you got this.
I’m taking a break for now, but for sure later.
forest token
i mean yeah it'd work but if they're struggling with time i wouldn't rec it lol
idle hound
15% damage is strong drink epic, which gets disregarded often
timber beacon
15% damage is strong drink epic, which gets disregarded often
It’s insane to me that anyone dismisses Strong Drink tbh. It’s such a universal good to me.
idle hound
and to mee
forest token
i use it for UC fodder lol
timber beacon
LEL!!!
idle hound
see?
forest token
because i dont have any better options
idle hound
disregarded
hoary pasture
With LC4 it’s less appealing
forest token
that's where strong drink comes in, because it can be purged and can't be pommed
and also yeah lc4 lol
timber beacon
Yeah, just gotta go again. Pretty sure you got this.
U were right about the UC, it just pretty much gave me more obols to work with.
timber beacon
With LC4 it’s less appealing
I’m genuinely confuzzled why anyone sane would ever choose LC4. It’s just misery.
forest token
because it's not that hard to work around
and takes off 4 heat
which is just as much as em4, except lc4 is easier
and doesn't eat away time from td3
also makes clearing rooms safer
hoary pasture
You just need practice to get used to it, after that it’s a pretty easy pact
forest token
there are situations where you can get slapped, but also if you lose a DD, then it cripples the rest of the run
timber beacon
You just need practice to get used to it, after that it’s a pretty easy pact
I get that, but I feel like I’d sacrifice so much that I like that I don’t think it’s worth.
forest token
sacrifice what
mossy zinc
Well, with 80% damage reduction, you sacrifice way more by taking LC4 than if you don't have god mode on.
timber beacon
How I like to play, what I like to choose.
timber beacon
Well, with 80% damage reduction, you sacrifice way more by taking LC4 than if yo...
That too lol, I had it for 1 run and I felt crippled.
jaunty falcon
I get that, but I feel like I’d sacrifice so much that I like that I don’t think...
It’s def worth the 4 heat you free up
That 4 heat solves the time problem
shy plinth
It takes a few days to adapt but then you just get to do whatever you want in rooms and have a much easier pact
timber beacon
It’s def worth the 4 heat you free up
Practically speaking ofc, but personally I’d rather have to try more times to beat it rather than sacrifice how I like playing.
shy plinth
But you might like something different once you learn it
If what felt right to you didn't work then there's value in trying some wrong
mossy zinc
....I equipped Shackle instead of Hourglass. https://i.imgur.com/iWog6NP.png
timber beacon
I don’t think I’ve lost enough times where that’s a concern, especially when every death so far has been pretty fun tbh.
timber beacon
....I equipped Shackle instead of Hourglass. <:tizomg:456913427588317184> https:...
Lel.
forest token
....I equipped Shackle instead of Hourglass. <:tizomg:456913427588317184> https:...
couldn't you just quit and go back in
unless it's recorded
idle hound
let me tell you , since i tried lc4, ive not looked back
mossy zinc
Not recording, but I don't do that lol.
mossy zinc
If I make a mistake, I live with it.
forest token
fair
timber beacon
If I make a mistake, I live with it.
idle hound
If I make a mistake, I live with it.
like a Lasting Consequence you mean?
timber beacon
like a Lasting Consequence you mean?
mossy zinc
I really don't think y'all are acknowledging the thousands of free HP you give up by taking LC4 with 80% god mode on lol. If he's already committed to using god mode for now anyway, might as well make the most of it.
idle hound
yeah you're right there
mossy zinc
If he's dying with god mode on in his runs already, LC4 is gonna be brutal.
idle hound
eHP is something i didnt ever consider until today xD
timber beacon
If he's dying with god mode on in his runs already, LC4 is gonna be brutal.
*Has been.
I’m still scarred.
When I ate a room full of food and my health didn’t twitch.
mossy zinc
lmao
timber beacon
Bro I beat a health chest and I took a loss for the first time in my life.
LC4?
More like Lucifer
timber beacon
mossy zinc
timber beacon
GGs. https://i.imgur.com/gwPb3ty.png
mossy zinc
lol m saying that run was over.
hoary pasture
Must’ve been an awful chaos for you to roll twice lol
mossy zinc
No, I was just greedy.
timber beacon
lol m saying that run was over.
Pfft, 
timber beacon
No, I was just greedy. <:zaglol:725043931867512903>
Smh, I thought you were immune to grees.
mossy zinc
Not getting enough damage, EM3 always takes forever and then don't even need to bother fighting dad.
Somebody should unnerf Chiron.
forest token
use codex mod so you always start with heroic swift flourish
severe wedge
GGs. https://i.imgur.com/gwPb3ty.png
thunder dash, is that gikgamesh?
mossy zinc
Chiron.
mossy zinc
Are you asking me what to purge?
timber beacon
I know I shouldn't have chosen Passion Dash, but it was epic ranked and I love it.
mossy zinc
Purge Flood Shot, naturally.
mossy zinc
Passion Dash is fine, but get a couple poms on it.
timber beacon
Passion Dash is fine, but get a couple poms on it.
kk.
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Passion Dash is fine, but get a couple poms on it.
Do I get heartbreak strike now or go for Life affirmation?
mossy zinc
Life Affirmation sounds good.
Try to get Lightning Strike and Smoldering Air
Wait, why do you have Blood-filled Vial equipped?
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Try to get Lightning Strike and Smoldering Air
kk
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Wait, why do you have Blood-filled Vial equipped?
Tryna get doom, why?
mossy zinc
It's gonna hurt your chances to get Smoldering Air.
Because you open up Curse of Longing.
Might as well go for Curse of Agony now since you have his keepsake equipped.
Thunder Signet would have allowed you to get Lightning Strike and/or Smoldering Air.
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also would've gotten a chance for supporting zeus boons
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Yeah.
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and zeus atk, which would've been nice
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Drunken Strike would have been a good option there, too, since you could easily get Low Tolerance. And then if you picked Trippy Shot later, potentially Black Out and Scintillating Feast.
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067050251845910568/1067968731545866281...
what weapon
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Doom and Weak don't have great synergy. Like, if I start Passion Dash on Malphon and see an epic Curse of Agony, I'd take it. But if I don't have an Attack after Tartarus, I won't go out of my way to force him with his keepsake.
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what weapon
Fist
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Because there are better options.
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Ah, kk, Only did it cuz I wanted to force pstats and Ares was the closest to upgrading.
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It's good enough.
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which fist lol
Gilga.
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Heartbreak Strike + Blade Dash would be much better. Kinda doing it the opposite way lol.
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Heartbreak Strike + Blade Dash would be much better. Kinda doing it the opposite...
can still cope for heroic blade dash from the vial 😂 at least this still gets pstatus tho
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can still cope for heroic blade dash from the vial 😂 at least this still gets p...
Only heretics would think that way.
Passion Dash best dash.
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Passion Dash best dash.
Yes, Glitter Dash is best withought question.
Still Agony, rii?
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Tbh m leaning towards Special, personally.
Either one is fine though.
Just if you pick his Attack now, don't pick his Special later.
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Just if you pick his Attack now, don't pick his Special later.
Ik.
mossy zinc
Nor vice versa.
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Also, I'm glad I checked in lol.
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Can you show your full build and HP now + where you're at?
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Can you show your full build and HP now + where you're at?
Ye, hold on.
I've never been so scared at 8 hp, I miss Stubborn Defiance. :(
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For Gilgamesh specifically, Ruthless Reflex is actually better btw.
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For Gilgamesh specifically, Ruthless Reflex is actually better btw.
...
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For every aspect, you'd want Greater Reflex.
Pretty sure I told you that yesterday that Ruthless is best for Gilgamesh, but there was a lot of chat lol.
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067050251845910568/1067977081767600178...
wait what's that skull boon
left prism
God mode
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I have never gotten that boon before
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Can you show what you can buy in the Well?
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https://i.imgur.com/X9Rs3eq.png
YOU LITERALLY SHOWED ME GREATER REFLEX
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Is it like a weird Chaos thing
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wait what's that skull boon
Deus Ex Machina.
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I love the name
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Can you show what you can buy in the Well?
I uhhh... Already got it.
Hold on
Oop, accidentally left.