is stubborn defiance just a must on high heat
#h1-high-heat-strategies
warm dagger
It is after a certain point.
untold axle
probably not with the point i’m at tbh
warm dagger
When you start taking LC you will want the room heals.
untold axle
seems like sd also makes td3 much more manageable
since you can play much more aggressive
warm dagger
There is a pinned progression recommendation to this channel.
untold axle
i got a good look at it dw
i’m doing 36 with beo, but i’m probably gonna switch to rama
warm dagger
It's pretty sound advice.
untold axle
if i don’t do triple shot rama then i think i can go with dd
because i may or may not be doing a very stupid pact
rancid pivot
How are you supposed to deal with EM4 butterflies?
lime elk
kill them fast
left prism
have the dps to burst dad down before they become too much or if you have something that clears a lot of projectiles at the same time that works too
saving meg summon for them also can work, divine dash (surprising i know) helps a lot with them
devout ferry
cries the pinned heat guide got me my first 32 heat victory w eris, thanks
3rd attempt at 32 heat, a few weeks ago i had tried arthur and chiron but before reading the guide
my heat setup was So bad, so that helped a lot- yote EM4 & that just solved about every issue i faced
forest token
Who knew em4 was hard lol
devout ferry
:,) it really do be, tbh i just eat grass whenever he starts spawning the minibosses
anyways- thanks guys i almost 100%'d the game now, only the steam achievement for the pierced butterfly (& also the purge a legendary boon one but pshhh) left
but yeah how come HL4 FO2 easier than fuggen EM4
lime elk
but yeah how come HL4 FO2 easier than fuggen EM4
it just is lmao em4 is very overtuned and very aspect-dependent
em4 isn't viable until like 50 on aspects that are good at it
devout ferry
Fo2 is really fun actually, and turns out TD is... Okay on fast weapons like eris. sanic intensifies
Also tbh another mistake i did was i took down my entire mirror on previous tries. Horrendous.
(And the third mistake i did was take cursed slash on arthur. oops.)
But yeah as the local pot crusher i gotta say it was a little weird to just hurry up as fast as i could to the next chamber, only to have 11min left at the end of the run despite TD2
I was garbage at using fated persuasion tho to the point i accidentally swapped Zeus and Athena's slots while taking my boons- still managed tho, turns out athena on attack reflects a Lot of things, especially with the kaboom hammer for attack
(and well. Zeus dash still good)
(it's free jolted dmg)
timber pike
got merciful end in tartarus lets hope this is the run
timber pike
lost my extra stubborn defiances and im entering styx, should I still equip the acorn?
its better than the tooth, I guess. lets see how this goes
sigh...
mossy zinc
lost my extra stubborn defiances and im entering styx, should I still equip the ...
Yes.
timber pike
yep did that...unfortunately I died in a styx room because of poison. using merciful end build seems better than doing lightning strike so I'll continue with that
honest kernel
What are some of the best/easiest aspects/builds for 50 heat
hoary pasture
What are some of the best/easiest aspects/builds for 50 heat
The usual Rama Beo Zeus Eris Hestia are what I would consider the easiest. For Rama it’s just big attack + solid hammers and maybe Divine dash or Hunter dash, Hestia is same thing but less reliant on hammers, more prone to timing out/ long rooms and bosses, you can do an RI2 AP1/2 Pact for both of those. For Beo and Zeus you can rely on 1 boon and pom it a bunch or go for the EM4 route which allows for a nicer build due to RI0 AP1. For Eris go Lightning Strike or Drunken strike and pom it. Lightning strike kinda wants another source of damage because by Elysium it’ll be tickling enemies so you’re looking at Static Discharge/ Zeus’ Aid/ Tidal Dash or something else idk maybe a cast, it usually works out because of the Eris buff and also RI0 AP2 isn’t as awful because you still have foresight and rolls. Drunken strike scales nicely with poms, you’ll be doing good enough damage for the whole run and wont rely on much else. The next aspects that come to mind are Zag Bow, Guan Yu and maybe Nem Achilles Demeter, these go into the pain hammer category or are just overall harder, less rewarding weps imo.
honest kernel
Thank you boss 
honest kernel
is rama drunken flourish, low tolerance/curse of nausea any good?
mossy zinc
Drunken Flourish start is good.
Idk about getting any Duo Boons on 50 Heat unless you're doing EM4 pact.
mossy zinc
I'd rather start Heartbreak Strike.
honest kernel
also having a ranged weapon makes it slightly less scary
mossy zinc
Rama doesn't have issues with groups lol.
honest kernel
I've decided I'm gonna do beo
gotta upgrade it first
first time using it rn (don't hurt me)
honest kernel
whats a good/best pact for 50 beo
how about NO
i figure I just take RI2 and AP2 then reset till I get what I want then pom it to oblivion
do I take poseidon or aphro cast tho
mossy zinc
do I take poseidon or aphro cast tho
Passion Flare for high heat.
jaunty falcon
i figure I just take RI2 and AP2 then reset till I get what I want then pom it t...
I did the opposite
AP1, RI0, EM4
But I was 1.2 seconds away from dying
If you can guarantee charged shot, I’d say AP2 RI2 is way easier
honest kernel
mmmmmmmmmm yeah em4 hades is scary as hell
lime elk
i can pull up my beo 50 heat pact, it worked really well
ap2 tho it's not exactly "fun"
notice the 38 seconds past td
you want demeter, need snow burst or frost strike and you want rav will+killing freeze
frost strike and snow burst proc privileged status which is really good
em4 is not that hard on beowulf as long as you don't have charged shot, i recommend taking it
i used the speedrun modpack to set my first hammer to sudden rush (and have first boon not be affected by ap2) but that probably wasn't the best choice, ferocious guard would have been better over sudden rush
honestly on second thought maybe don't follow my advice, i highrolled pretty much everything in this build except for poms (level 4 lightning reflexes), luck got me 90% of the way through
wait actually this pact is kinda awful did i really not take hs at 50
and only took js1???
honest kernel
is there a mod/tool that lets you instant reset
well i mean like
just kills you instantly
quartz mantle
is there a mod/tool that lets you instant reset
Yes
Also fwiw Beo is quite good at doing the whole EM4 stuff
You get block and iframes from bullrushes
honest kernel
is there a high heat beo guide anywhere
honest kernel
playstyle
quartz mantle
There's the high heat leaderboard pinned in here that you can see some top level beo players runs and see how they play
But generally Beo has a pretty consistent pattern of dash strike -> bull rush
you basically never want to standing strike with that weapon
Something else you might want to consider learning is to load your casts mid-bullrush as it'll allow you to rush into your stones on the ground and load them in the same bullrush
honest kernel
quartz mantle
I was mainly referencing the speedrun modpack yea
honest kernel
if I'm using that just for restarting can I still submit the run to unseeded/modded?
quartz mantle
it has numerous qol features like forcing your first hammer, removing slow minibosses, controlling styx sack
Honestly it's not that hard to reset in a high heat run lol
And you'll likely not really need to reset that much unless you're doing an AP2 pact
quartz mantle
That's gonna be genuinely harder ngl
RI2 is rough
especially on something like Beo
that's more of a Hestia/Rama pact ngl
you just like slap Shackle on and hope for the best
honest kernel
mmmmmmmmm, so I guess I just fight em4 hades then 
quartz mantle
Something else you might want to consider learning is to load your casts mid-bul...
An example
So like bullrushing towards the stones and loading them in mid rush
honest kernel
is DC1 ok on beo?
quartz mantle
You'd rather not
honest kernel
I guess I take RI1 then
forest token
For my 50 heat I did ap2 dc1 lol
honest kernel
I rly dont wanna do CP
forest token
quartz mantle
I forgot how rough 50 pacts are
honest kernel
dude its brutal
forest token
Pretty terrible build and went a bit over time during heroes iirc
quartz mantle
honest kernel
so I made it a few floors into asphodel with rama
quartz mantle
something like this w/ Hellmode could work
forest token
Dc2?
honest kernel
......... can I convert my regular file into hell mode?
quartz mantle
it has numerous qol features like forcing your first hammer, removing slow minib...
One of the QoL features of the modpack allows you to toggle hellmode
honest kernel
NICE
honest kernel
can I get a link to the modpack
forest token
can I get a link to the modpack
It's on speedrun.com
quartz mantle
I do not see it
forest token
True
honest kernel
is it in resources?
honest kernel
got it, ty
if I'm taking R1 AP1/0 would it be worth going poseidon instead of aphro just to hopefully get mirage faster?
hexed sapphire
min charge it
rama actually dies irl if you don't get 2 good hammers
nvm 32 heat
just like be better
forest token
Lmfao
hexed sapphire
I've never had an issue with high heat rama skulls 🤷♀️
modded guaranteed twin shot privilege ig
quartz mantle
I've also never had a problem with high heat rama skulls and I don't even play modded that much
forest token
i've had problems with high heat rama skulls because i'm bad
gaunt fiber
neither have I but I play RaME
honest kernel
sometimes its faster to just kill them w special but in general you deal w them the same
honest kernel
50 heat is way too hard for me
gonna start with 45
I'll also do some em4 hades practice with FO and MM on without the other stuff
no clue how people can do 50+ this is insane
how many hrs do the 50+ heat completers have in the game
haughty sky
if you don’t know em4 you’ll probably get an em3 50 win faster than you would learn em4
haughty sky
what aspect?
haughty sky
honest kernel
scream
haughty sky
this was my first 50, that’s probably best the pact for beo too
rama you can cut ri1 or hell mode for dc2, it’s up to you
haughty sky
haven’t done beo 50 and i like rama a lot so i don’t know how well i can answer that
but rama gets to run dc2 like i said which helps a lot
honest kernel
what would you take on rama special
haughty sky
whichever you feel more comfortable with
if you’re starting w special then zeus or dio, i’d personally start dio over zeus
arty attack/dash and aphro attack are also good starts
honest kernel
haughty sky
good luck!
honest kernel
jaunty falcon
hoary pasture
would you say beo or rama is easier
Rama is harder, less forgiving weapon imo but it's also more heat tolerant so you can do 50 in more ways
With Beo it's passion flare and poms, maybe Snow burst, not much else you can do
hoary pasture
I'm not tho
honest kernel
ex?
hoary pasture
ig
hoary pasture
It is
gaunt fiber
but its super fun
have you tried fighting the MM Doomstone yet?
timber pike
gonna do 5 more tries with demeter fists at 32, if i dont win those tries I'll take a break from the weapon and try zeus shield which I'm sure is way easier
jade shuttle
was just about to ask
does anyone have advice for doing 32 Heat with Demeter Fists? lol
or any boons to compliment that aspect
timber pike
oh hey we're trying the same run
jade shuttle
oh, I haven't gone down to do 32 Heat yet lol
I'm just starting to play the game again after six months
timber pike
I had a massive break from the game as well
I've been using ares attack+athena special and trying to get merciful end each time
jade shuttle
ahhh
Guessing Merciful End is like the ideal duo boon to get during these sorts of runs then lol
timber pike
It's worked well but since it's dependent on RNG, I had a run where I didnt see Merciful End and I was almost finishing up Elysium
shy plinth
Merciful end is the ideal duo in most runs lol
hoary pasture
does anyone have advice for doing 32 Heat with Demeter Fists? lol
Check your pact and mirror because those are just as important as playing well
The pins here are a good starting point
calm reef
mossy zinc
I don't remember ever having VC here.
timber pike
Merciful End in tartarus again. if this isnt the run I'm taking a break from fists for a while
ashen garnet
gonna do 5 more tries with demeter fists at 32, if i dont win those tries I'll t...
Shield trivializes a lot of attacks, but zeus kinda hard
mossy zinc
Zeus 32 is chill. 
forest token
yeah zeus shield is kinda hard but it's also really strong considering it's a shield so whatever lmao
the special is just free damage really
timber pike
so what would you say are the easiest at 32 heat besides eris?
mossy zinc
Rail, shield, Rama, Chiron, Excalibur, Achilles (Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades).
honest kernel
32 arthur 
mossy zinc
Very chill when you can still avoid FO.
shy plinth
I like demeter but people yell at me when I say that fists are easy at 32
(It's Nyaanyaa. She's people)
But yeah like... Eris hestia Zeus
mossy zinc
Beowulf, Hestia, Eris probably the easiest.
timber pike
hate having to get up close
mossy zinc
I like demeter but people yell at me when I say that fists are easy at 32
Easy track back to the House of Hades, yes.
shy plinth
I like punching
mossy zinc
You main Gilgamesh.
timber pike
demeter fists gave me a lot of low heat wins so I expected to be finished with this by now but I guess its time for a break from them
shy plinth
I like clawing too
mossy zinc
I am sure the other fists seem easy in comparison.
timber pike
Easy track back to the House of Hades, yes. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
deaths to the furies, lernie, theseus and asterius, hades, that one elysium shield guy, asterius when he's a miniboss, it's just too much 
mossy zinc
You can get braindead Malphon builds that require no thought and just mash Dash-Strike at 32 Heat, too, but that will quite a lot of resets.
So not really recommended.
timber pike
oh and styx poison forgot that
mossy zinc
More like you chose to suffer with Malphon in high heat.
timber pike
basically
so malphon is the worse weapon for high heat in your opinion? not the stygian blade?
mossy zinc
Well.
At 32, you have Excalibur and Poseidon.
40+, all of the swords and fists are pretty bad.
languid lily
I like demeter but people yell at me when I say that fists are easy at 32
I just casually decided to try fists after failing with spear, shield and sword and cleared 32 easily even though build wasn't really great
fists supremacy
shy plinth
MALPHON GANG
timber pike
minotaur rush or charged shot for zeus shield?
jaunty falcon
Charged shot
honest kernel
Definitely Charged Shot
hexed sapphire
minotaur rush kind of ass
timber pike
my last win was attempt #227. Im now on attempt 345.
old grove
gonna try and do my first 16 heat run, any suggestions for what settings i should pick to make it easier? i usually run with forced overtime 1, extreme measures 2, and tight deadline 1 but i’m not sure what else to add
also if there’s a “best” weapon for high heat runs which one is it?
forest token
Check the pins for a heat guide
old grove
i’m so silly thank you
forest token
also if there’s a “best” weapon for high heat runs which one is it?
How high heat do you mean
Because all are viable for 32 and doable at 50
old grove
oh cool! i just meant in general (specifically under 20 heat) :))
forest token
Well like
old grove
thank you for your help, very excited to get my ass beat 🫡
forest token
Hestia and beo are excellent for instance, but once you turn on certain pact conditions they suck and others become better
If that makes sense
old grove
makes perfect sense
forest token
Like hestia is probably better than luci but once you turn on damage control luci is better, and you wouldn't turn on dc until like past 40
And even then you can still take a 60 pact without dc
So it's super situational lol
For your purposes all will work just pick your favorite
Unless you want to become a high heat runner that goes 40+ just play what you like imo
old grove
Like hestia is probably better than luci but once you turn on damage control luc...
this game is never as simple as “this is objectively the best thing” is it?? honestly the games more fun that way
forest token
There's definitely stuff that's better than other things
But like
You can half ass a bunch of stuff and get it to work lmao
old grove
yeah yeah but nothing is “the best”
old grove
You can half ass a bunch of stuff and get it to work lmao
have never lost a run with a sea strom build no matter how bad i played 🫡
forest token
Like beo and Hera (croven specifically) are at each other's throat for modded speedrunning
mossy zinc
oh cool! i just meant in general (specifically under 20 heat) :))
Weapons for high heat under 20 Heat are undefined.
forest token
Rama and Zeus shield are probably the only ones that can compete for 64 heat
mossy zinc
Like beo and Hera (croven specifically) are at each other's throat for modded sp...
No, Croven is just casually showing the Beowulf players their place.
old grove
i love the chaos sheild idc the design alone is so cool
shy gulch
lol fwiw i do think beo is at this point undisputed best aspect for modded speedrunning specifically
mossy zinc
If you push into high heat and/or speedruns, naturally there will be options that are objectively stronger.
forest token
Croven didn't even get a than encounter last time lmao
shy gulch
but we've been wrong about "top" aspects before, could be wrong this time too
whos to say
forest token
And he also had to play c33 and c34 when beating bigp
forest token
Croven is modded wr holder lmao
mossy zinc
For example, Hera is objectively stronger than Beowulf players as proven by Croven. 
forest token
lol fwiw i do think beo is at this point undisputed best aspect for modded speed...
So what you're saying is that beo players need to git gud
old grove
solid logic tbh
forest token
If you get good chaos rng then possiblity
mossy zinc
No because hypermodded isn't released yet.
forest token
for some reason i thought it was like a modded weapon aspect??
It can be if we get the mod devs to work on it
Aspect of croven in hades 2 is just Hera bow
old grove
It can be if we get the mod devs to work on it
hope that happens so i seem super smart and like i knew something no one else did
forest token
Lmao
shy gulch
yeah put me in hades 2 that would be great
mossy zinc
Croven voiced by Logan Cunningham.
forest token
Give it mirage bug
I wonder what the Hera meta would be if it also had the mirage bug
Because flood Hera sounds weird
I feel like Dem would be less important unless you're going for top level
But I guess so lmao
Well beo doesn't do passion and mirage tho
mossy zinc
Hera is already one-shotting enemies anyway.
forest token
Lmao true
mossy zinc
It's not tiny lol.
mossy zinc
It's smaller, yes.
forest token
Passion is a pain in Styx if you overshoot lol
mossy zinc
I think some of y'all newer players are overestimating the difference in speed tbh because Flood Shot meta is all you know.
Not saying Flood Shot start isn't faster.
Just nobody's really pushing the others anymore either.
If it happens, it's like... memeish and short-lived.
mossy zinc
Passion is a pain in Styx if you overshoot lol
Seems like you get what you deserve for your lack of faith.
hoary pasture
Bruh
mossy zinc
Hypnos voice have you tried hitting your targets
The answer is apparently no.
knotty gate
any tips on how to beat heat 32 with the Exagryph?
hoary pasture
any tips on how to beat heat 32 with the Exagryph?
Read the pins here so you have a better idea of what pacts to choose because that can make a huge difference. As for the build it depends on what aspect you're using
old grove
i loved during the trojan war when they all had rail guns
knotty gate
true
distant pelican
i liked it when they sat in the explosion radius of their own bombs
sweet cypress
i loved during the trojan war when they all had rail guns
this anachronism is actually kinda lampshaded in the game
theres a dialogue where someone (ares?) is like "wouldnt it be screwed up if humans had this kind of weapon"
forest token
Oh yeah they mention something like that
nocturne stag
My favorite part of the trojan war was when ghandi nuked Germany
upper juniper
i loved during the trojan war when they all had rail guns
💪
visual otter
what would you guys say is the best build for Coronacht?
id say i would like something thats more about mobbing chambers than boss oriented ig
im currently using Hera Poseidon cast setup
hoary pasture
Run it with Crush shot
And try to get Snow burst from Demeter
Pom your cast as much as possible
Poseidon cast on Hera is average at best, the damage isn’t great and it roams around you’ll just keep losing them all over the place
visual otter
i was running it for the wall slam thing ig
didnt work rlly well in elysium but does finely in temple
will try it later thks
well any more for the other aspects?
hexed sapphire
high % atk and hunter dash
visual otter
well my fav was prob triple shot and artemis attack ig
brittle anvil
hey quick question! i've been trying to get to max heat on sword (so far on 16), and i've been using nemesis to do so!
i've been using persephone keepsake for the whole way, and im not quite sure what im supposed to build on nemesis sword?
any reccomendations?
hoary pasture
hey quick question! i've been trying to get to max heat on sword (so far on 16),...
At low Heat when your mirror and build is mostly unscathed you can start with Doom and go for Athena then Merciful End + Divine Dash and Impending Doom. The other route is starting with Aphro attack which is really nice for survivability and does good damage, then you force Athena in Asphodel for the Special. Since your rotation on sword is mostly Special > x2 Dash strikes, the deflect on Special is really strong defensively. You can just add damage from here using external sources or buffing what you already have through Chaos and global damage and whatnot. Obviously the higher you go in the heat the weaker and more barebones your build will be. Also you probably don’t mean max heat, 32 is the last skelly prize but it’s not max heat.
brittle anvil
Oh no I'm insane, I do truly intend to do Max Heat
A testament of my will, if you may.
But thank you so much for the advice!
hoary pasture
A long road, heat climbs exponentially after around 50, if max heat was any doable people would’ve done it by now, very few got close but it was not with sword as it is not heat tolerant enough. Well anyway goodluck
brittle anvil
jaunty falcon
Yeah it’s very probable that 64 heat will never be completed on sword
brittle anvil
dear gods
jaunty falcon
60 heat hasnt even been done
brittle anvil
hello?
hoary pasture
60 is like the limit
jaunty falcon
And 64 is more than twice as hard as 60
hoary pasture
On sword
jaunty falcon
I mean it’s not a hard limit
brittle anvil
i have a sanity limit
if nobodys done 64 in the time the game has been released, my sanity will be gone before i can do it
jaunty falcon
It’d probably take multiple thousands of attempts
brittle anvil
we ball then
so to recap:
Ares for more damage, Aphro for defense
always look for athena special and dash
get the duo boon
profit by kicking their butts
hoary pasture
Usually when you go with Ares you're looking for Merciful End yea, the dash isnt a requirement but you'd like to keep that slot for Divine Dash because that's what really makes ME pop off. With the Aphro start build you can take Hunter Dash or Splash dash for damage if you're confident with the Sword playstyle, Divine Dash stays an excellent pick on all melee weapons in high heat
Also Aphro is usually the start because on Epic she can give up to 100% extra attack damage and the pom scaling is nice, also since you're up close and personal the Weak status is very good. However you can start with any god that buffs your attack % a substantial amount. So an Epic Demeter/Athena would be great too. Just avoid Poseidon, the % is very low and the knockback is awful to play with
You can check some vods to see what top players do at insane heat
Like Retrash or Angel
brittle anvil
Usually when you go with Ares you're looking for Merciful End yea, the dash isnt...
I personally love divine dash! Especially with how I play. it is very easy for me to pinch nerves, so i have to space some moves out lol.
brittle anvil
Also Aphro is usually the start because on Epic she can give up to 100% extra at...
funnily enough, the best clear i've gotten so far (time wise) has been with poseidon attack with a mix of boons from ares, athena, aphro, and artemis
brittle anvil
Like Retrash or Angel
currently watching the retrash vod now!
jaunty falcon
My sword pb also has a weird ass build too
Lightning strike, passion dash, curse of pain
But without epic rush delivery it would have done no damage
brittle anvil
Hermes my beloved
brittle anvil
watching through retrash's 57 heat vod, not a perfect build by any means
hoary pasture
That's Retrash's signature
He almost never starts with anything to force a build
It's just coinpurse
And he rolls with whatever
hoary pasture
Retrash is a god at the game and has tons of experience, he is also a god at EM4 which allows him to use his full mirror most of the time so he will usually get something usable throughout his runs without actually forcing it but yea his builds are weird and unusual and require a ton more skill to make them work
You generally want to start with the keepsake of the god that you want to see
To kickstart your build early and cut some of the rng
So for example you start with Ares/Aphro keepsake etc
Coin purse means you'll get a random god
Which might be good or totally useless for your weapon
brittle anvil
oh interesting
just watched the tight deadline pop in the hades fight
but didnt die?
hoary pasture
And at high heat resetting becomes more of a thing, if you start with Aphro and she doesnt give you the attack you'll probably reset. If that's not your thing you start Shackle or change your pact or do something else
hoary pasture
but didnt die?
After the time runs out you start losing 5hp/sec
brittle anvil
Retrash is a god at the game and has tons of experience, he is also a god at EM4...
looking at the heat he has, im guessing that the mirror is where things get complicated in terms of a 63 heat clear?
hoary pasture
63 Heat was cleared
But yes it is where things get complicated because going above 62 means you're playing mirrorless
So you have no stubborn defiance to heal and all that
And you also dont have a second dash
So shields are the ones that go that high
hoary pasture
You also have so many other problems aside from the dash
Like EM4 and the timer
And the sheer rng of the build because of AP2 and half your mirror is cut off
You get an unfortunate attack swap = run dead
brittle anvil
oof
hoary pasture
And so on
jaunty falcon
Which is why 64 hasn’t been done yet at all, not just sword
mossy zinc
63 Heat was cleared
Modded only, to help with RNG. Unmodded WR is still 62. 
hoary pasture
And me
brittle anvil
so in theory, unless i become godly at the game, throw the dream away
forest token
More or less yeah lmao
50 can be doable with a lot of practice but after that it's just pain
Prob need a thousand hours in the game of actual good runs and practice to get to max heat
Angel and baj are working on it rn iirc lol
hoary pasture
Just adjust the end goal a little bit now that you know how it is up there
50 is no joke
mossy zinc
Prob need a thousand hours in the game of actual good runs and practice to get t...
More like a couple thousand.
forest token
lmao probably
i guess if you started grinding zeus shield or rama intensely now you can probably crunch it into 1k hours
and like solely just that
hexed sapphire
i guess if you started grinding zeus shield or rama intensely now you can probab...
rama max heat 🤔
brittle anvil
see the idea of perfecting a single thing to me is appealing, but a thousand hours is unfortunately a time commitment i can't put forth
had to drop the game due to uni coming around and kicking my butt
shy gulch
when college was kicking my ass I ended up playing this game more
forest token
same lmao
mossy zinc
when college was kicking my ass I ended up playing this game more <:bouldy:52332...
How many college WRs do you have?
shy gulch
what is a college wr
forest token
wr gotten during college i suppose
mossy zinc
College WRs are to college like Hades WRs are to Hades.
worldly robin
Maybe?
Around 20 mins I think idk
Yeah
I always take uc
Yeah not so bad I’m sure idk never used it
Does that count for room heals?
Like hydra lyte
Even the mirror one?
I can take one fo
Oh I’m usually very impulsive with my aspect
What would you recommend?
Love em personally
I’ve got most clears with fists and rail
worldly robin
I’ve got most clears with fists and rail
I’ve used blade most
I can live with dc on anything tbh
Zag, Nemesis, Arthur, Achilles, Guan Yu, Chaos, Beowulf, Chiron, Hera, Rama, Zag, Gilgamesh, and Eris are maxed
Arthur
Just did it the first time actually
Tanky
Nope but it’s not so bad on bp1 what’s the harm?
27
I’ll max fo and take 1 hl how’s that?
Oh wait that’s 31
How much hl?
Never once
UC helps me every time
I actually like it more
UC has helped me get rid of trash boons and move forward
I like Aphrodite/Athena/Artemis/Dionysus
Usually
Free heat
hexed sapphire
don’t think I’ve set any records speedrunning college
if only hades wrs were profitable
timber pike
how much money should people make off WRS
mossy zinc
Enough to be settled for life.
shy gulch
that would be nice, wouldn’t it
honest kernel
45 heat
several attempts with both rama and beowulf
makes it out of tart once with rama and never with beo
trys arthur
makes it to lernie in just a few attempts
haughty sky
fo0 45 heat 🤔
honest kernel
https://imgur.com/LegVypp 45 arthur pact
I just died to hades phase 2 part 2 cos I got greedy omegakek
anyway this is totally doable so now I try again
attempt like 5 now
I had 2:45 left on the deadline when I died
ppl who be like "arthur is too slow" are capping
I got 5 sacked as well
so like
50 is totally doable as well I just need to play better and get good rng
honest kernel
thats some absolute gaming
last time I checked the leaderboard I think arthur wr was 53
honest kernel
real
honest kernel
I had the winning run then got 5 sacked I'm fumingrn
hoary pasture
honest kernel
the reason I was slower this time is cos I traded AP2 for JS3 and CP2 so I'm at the mercy of sack rng
neat sonnet
i’m not gonna say this is why we stan modded but~
honest kernel
I got to phase 2 of hades then timer got me
neat sonnet
the sheer fury at getting 5 sacked while on the run is..
unfortunate to say the least
mossy zinc
the reason I was slower this time is cos I traded AP2 for JS3 and CP2 so I'm at ...
What are you doing that you need AP2 or JS3 CP2?
hoary pasture
50 ig
honest kernel
45 heat arthur
hoary pasture
https://imgur.com/LegVypp 45 arthur pact
This pact is good
honest kernel
I'm not fighting em4 hades and DC is a no go
yeah I've decided to go back to that
so I dont get sacked again
mossy zinc
Please don't take AP2 nor JS3 CP2 at 45.
honest kernel
hoary pasture
honest kernel
I've made it to hades second phase twice now, I can do this 
hoary pasture
yup
mossy zinc
Ganbare!
honest kernel
RI is the last thing I wanna take
honest kernel
not having dark foresight is really really bad
I'd prefer AP2 over RI1
I mean like, I'd prefer AP2 over RI1+another 1 heat from somehwere else
jaunty falcon
RI1 sucks
hoary pasture
I'd rather take RI2 AP1
mossy zinc
RI4 AP0.
honest kernel
forest token
last time I checked the leaderboard I think arthur wr was 53
it's 54 by angel, i dont think amb records lol
or if she does she didn't submit it to the thing or whatever
hoary pasture
Arthur world record is Nephi 57
forest token
oh that wasnt on the spreadsheet
forest token
oh damn
hexed sapphire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOF3YfqCwBE
this is still the most nuts em4 fight ive ever seen
hexed sapphire
it's 54 by angel, i dont think amb records lol
last time i tried to record a full run i kept getting 3 fps frame drops and my gpu crashed in elysium 
forest token
based
mossy zinc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOF3YfqCwBE
@wintry berry submit your run! 🔫
hexed sapphire
<@247432093834018816> submit your run! 🔫<:dusa:522248771409543188>
its on unmodded lb no?
i think they just checked the modded lb
hexed sapphire
oh its not submitted on unmodded either
forest token
Oh lmao
forest token
based
mossy zinc
Dark Regeneration meta.
stiff dust
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1055972617095483482/...
how do you pull up this menu
dumb question
hexed sapphire
B on keyboard
stiff dust
thank you
mossy zinc
Select/back whatever it's called these days on pad.
fringe spindle
Is there a reliable way to clear 32 heat? (beside from, you know, being good at the game)
fringe spindle
i mean i cleared 16 heat yesterday and currently attempting 32
Getting my butt handed to me in elysium though
Probably cause i cant build properly 
forest token
Is there a reliable way to clear 32 heat? (beside from, you know, being good at ...
Good build mirror and pact definitely helps
But 32 still isn't the easiest thing, esp if you're jumping from 16
Depending on the aspect it'll be a lot easier tho
fringe spindle
But 32 still isn't the easiest thing, esp if you're jumping from 16
I'm getting the hang of it honestly
Still dying a bit more than I'd like but I'm learning
forest token
You'll get it eventually lol
fringe spindle
Had a few close runs
quartz mantle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803613306937278485/1056206987655905321/...
That Ares keepsake got massive value
visual otter
ngl i think the reason Dionysus is broken is coz he have good duo boons with other gods
lilac bronze
probably
jaunty falcon
It’s good because it allows you to do decent DPS while not having to be constantly attacking enemies
visual otter
yea ig Zeus aspect hangover build is good coz of the blitz disk
visual otter
is there any good builds with Zag's aspect of adamant rail?
calm tangle
Zag aspect is kinda outclassed anyways
visual otter
i wanted a straightforward playstyle ig
the others have more potential but im not rlly into those setups
calm tangle
You would pretty much use Eris without looking back, almost no downside compared to Zag
Even rank 1 Eris
visual otter
Idk i just wanna ignore the special and spam the attack
Unless i rlly need to then ill use eris ig
I did a few runs with rail, is Zeus normal attack the best one?
I noticed the lightning does like the same dmg as the attack and it bounces too
I want a good build but cant figure the synergies since ig all of Zeus's synergistic boons r mostly from himself ig
calm tangle
For me if I want to spam attack all the time I would take the infinite ammo hammer.
Zeus attack is the most common choice, but if you want to spam attack with infinite ammo hammer (Zag, Eris or Lucifer can all do that), Athena attack is also solid in that it makes you virtually invulnerable even though the attack is low and you would rely a lot on other sources of passive damage
visual otter
What should i do for the duo boons?
Ig besides the one that prevent Jolted being consumed
Figured i could just tape it with Dionysus Artemis and their duos but the crit rate is kinda low and idk abt getting a consistent source of hangover
calm tangle
Zeus generally have pretty good duo boons with most other gods
visual otter
that
Well ig later ill test it out ig
I should prob be aiming for the Zeus legendary boon too, that seems quite huge
calm tangle
Zeus/Aphro can work if you take Zeus call, Zeus/Artemis or Zeus/Dio can work a lot of passive damage into your run (but not really that good on high heat depending on your tight deadline ranks).
Zeus/Poseidon is weird for you though, since you don't want to use special, you'll prolly need to take Poseidon on dash and something else too, use dash to trigger Zeus/Poseidon
But none of Zeus's duo boons upgrade your machinegun attack style much
visual otter
Zeus/Poseidon is weird for you though, since you don't want to use special, you'...
Idk abt Zeus poseidon, i can get to the habit of using special but idk if you get the knock away once every 2s worth it for the duo
Yea ill try ty
If it dont work for me maybe ill just abuse Dionysus
shy plinth
Sea storm Eris is a classic build that they had to nerf
Dio is nice enough but I wouldn't call him broken
He probably feels very powerful to you right now because you're on priv status - fam fave lets everything do more damage without as much work 🙂
terse kelp
any tips for 32 heat spear? hunting blades achilles feels really inconsistent if i don't get hunting blades quickly
hoary pasture
any tips for 32 heat spear? hunting blades achilles feels really inconsistent if...
Start with the Tidal Dash or the Attack and play with whatever cast the game gives you
Phalanx/ Crush Shot / Electric Shot etc
Altho that will rely more on the attack so the Flurry Jab hammer
quartz mantle
I think Artemis attack start is decently consistent with Achilles
hoary pasture
I like it a lot
quartz mantle
You can rock with either Ares or Demeter Cast very comfortably and even Phalanx is good if you get Zeus for Lightning Phalanx
Tidal dash start is more high rolling giving you a faster tart but at the cost of relying on natural gods like Artemis or a cast god for scaling
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash has Tidal Dash for scaling.
calm tangle
I agree. I like starting with Artemis for Achilles, if you get a good hammer you can do an attack based build, if you get Poseidon, Ares or Demeter you can do a cast build so it's very flexible.
The problem for spear in general is flexibility, that you need good hammers (or ME) to do an attack based build.
All three non-Zag spears somewhat solve it, Achilles can go cast build, and both Hades and Guan Yu can work well with spin based hammers.
empty mirage
Wait so at high heat is it valid to die once before going to the next room if your hp is low?
empty mirage
Not that good with the lingo yet.
sd I guess is healing down?
What about that Dionysus boon that restores health to the threshold?
gaunt fiber
Wait so at high heat is it valid to die once before going to the next room if yo...
Yes with SD (stubborn defiance as opposed to DD, death defiance) which allows you to die once per chamber.
gaunt fiber
What about that Dionysus boon that restores health to the threshold?
Boon is nerfed which each level you put in lasting consequences. At LC4 you don't get any healing, just the damage boost
upper juniper
I don't recall that boon giving a damage buff.
Strong drink
upper juniper
It is the fountain one
empty mirage
Yes, so not the one I was talking about.
empty mirage
Does after party just do nothing?
jaunty falcon
With LC4, yeah
pseudo kernel
money
desert shard
yay, i beated 32 heat for the first time, helped by the guides here so thanks
i went from 5 to 32 in two days lol
hoary pasture
Real gamer
desert shard
and it was also my best time
hoary pasture
Up next: || road to 50 heat ||
desert shard
i don't understand why i was so slow before
i kinda want to try more but i don't know what should be the steps
like how much heat added for each step
hoary pasture
I went 40-45-50
terse kelp
i don't understand why i was so slow before
i kinda want to try more but i don't...
what was the time?
hoary pasture
32 to 40 is basically you getting used to FO2 and HL5 as opposed to just 1 for 32
And you add a couple filler pacts
Which are JS and maybe DC at this point
If the weapon isn’t needy AP1 is ok
45 is all of that, that’s where players usually start using Hell mode because they want JS and CP a lot of the time
And the jump to 50 is usually one of AP2 RI2 or EM4
It’s a quick rundown nothing fancy, you can ask for more specific stuff
desert shard
what was the time?
Something like 18:30
terse kelp
nice! sub 20 is a hard barrier to break
desert shard
Congrats to you too
fringe spindle
lime elk
And the jump to 50 is usually one of AP2 RI2 or EM4
isn't it usually 2 of ap2 ri2 or em4
jaunty falcon
No
quiet mountain
ap is technically free in theory
forest token
True
terse kelp
what's a good rail build for high heat? ive been going with the standard eris build, zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash
haughty sky
you can’t be that picky at high heat, starting zeus or dio attack is good
hexed sapphire
lc4 skissue
upper juniper
<@733775512991694900> what's your aspect, build, pact?
zeus, build is whatever I feel like that isn't ME or Zeus^2, and my pb/pact is something I'll need to grab my switch for
mossy zinc
Well, even if you do an off-meta build, you'd still want to have a strategy.
upper juniper
I have a goal in mind whenever I start the run
it's just it changes based on which god I decide is going to go on my special
mossy zinc
And you tend to time out in Elysium?
upper juniper
when I get to elysium, I usually time out to heroes
forest token
it's just it changes based on which god I decide is going to go on my special
shouldn't you just start dio
upper juniper
but I think I don't get to elysium more often then not
forest token
or is dio special considered meta
upper juniper
or is dio special considered meta
unsure, so have been avoiding him for the most part as well
forest token
bruh lmao
to be fair
high heat still uses zeus special
i wouldn't call it meta
i'd say it's just decent
mossy zinc
Hmmm. What do you do if I do a Zeus 40 with every Special?
upper juniper
I guess I could just build dio everytime
forest token
okay but just reset
mossy zinc
Resetting for Charged Shot is zzz.
forest token
okay but it would be funny
upper juniper
my pact is hl5, lc4, cf1 ,js1 ,em3, bp2, mm, uc, fo2, ap1, td3
zeus pb is 14:50.40
maybe I should aim for zag bow instead because my zag bow pb is sub10
mossy zinc
@honest kernel do you have some simple, general Zeus tips for @upper juniper to not time out in Elysium? Goal is to do 40 with an off-meta build.
forest token
git gud
upper juniper
a bunch of these runs either died to timing out to heroes, ~or just normal dying to asterius miniboss
forest token
dont take ely midboss tbh
mossy zinc
No, take miniboss.
forest token
50/50 for butterfly ball is risky
mossy zinc
Also don't die.
upper juniper
If it were intentional to die then it wouldn't be an issue
upper juniper
fo2 em3 asterius is annoying 
mossy zinc
You don't have a hell mode save?
forest token
hell mode isn't necessary for 40 heat tho
mossy zinc
You should get to it sometime. Since it takes awhile.
More chill to do it as a side project.
upper juniper
so I decided to start a zag bow run for the lols and: piercing volley, charged volley, sniper shot I wonder if God is trying to tell me something
guess I'm sticking with zeus
mossy zinc
Bow is a ranged weapon, so Sniper Shot is probably good.
Making Sniper Shot actually do anything at all is a high level challenge ngl.
hoary pasture
upper juniper
shouldn't you just start dio
I will continue to “just start dio” from here on out, since it’s gotten me the closest so far:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1057188144262430810/IMG_2708.jpg
tawny bramble
Thank god for me, I either beat hades or die too first boss
no heart wrenching faliures
forest token
I will continue to “just start dio” from here on out, since it’s gotten me the c...
guess who has both low tolerance and curse of nausea lmao
it's on passion dash lmao
upper juniper
guess who has both low tolerance and curse of nausea lmao
Guess who had uh
Lvl 7 common dio flourish
And pstatus
And uh… uh… epic greater evasion
All the dio damage scaling 😎
tawny bramble
the reason you died is because you didn't reroll for hs
forest token
Guess who had uh
Lvl 7 common dio flourish
And pstatus
And uh… uh… epic greater ...
nope i have fam favs and lvl 2 common dio flourish
upper juniper
the reason you died is because you didn't reroll for hs
🔫
tawny bramble
Honestly you're fine
forest token
i also forgot how to play zeus shield for a hot minute
tawny bramble
You should have just enough time with lucky sack
forest token
lvl 3 common dio is kinda sad
forest token
You should have just enough time with lucky sack
i have guaranteed 2 so it's fine
tawny bramble
are you sure about that?
tawny bramble
ahhh
I don't get there enough to be frustrated with unlucky sack
I have never died due to unlucky sack
forest token
i have 1 min left lmao
this is so horrid
JS 1 RATS god dammit
i finally got poms lmao
@upper juniper are you jealous
upper juniper
<@733775512991694900> are you jealous
Yes
forest token
hourglass into aspho was so good lmao
touch of styx in well
also double ichor hyper sprint
would've been funny if i got rd
can't wait to throw the run
hexed sapphire
bruh i have 2.5 minutes to beat em3
that's a lot
haughty sky
dudes be like “js1 is so bad” mf you chose the cf1 no hs dc0
forest token
dudes be like “js1 is so bad” mf you chose the cf1 no hs dc0
It's shackles pact lmao
I wanted to use his pact because why not
haughty sky
also it’s just js1
forest token
that's a lot
Yeah but also consider that I am bad and lvl 3 Dio special
forest token
also it’s just js1
Waves are annoying
hexed sapphire
2.5 minutes is a ton of time if you're not worried about super dad
forest token
Fair
hexed sapphire
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1057193867943870535/...
like 4:38 out of second tunnel kinda free
unless that has extension chaos
forest token
Well Styx was good tunnels, only 2 rat waves and short first tunnel
I was more worried about timing out in em3 than killing dad
hexed sapphire
em3 takes like 1.5 minutes on 57 heat
forest token
I think in my first 40 Zeus run I timed out a bit
Okay but consider that I don't know how to use Zeus shield
forest token
Yeah lmao
hexed sapphire
it's kinda bad though
haughty sky
level 7 ff dio kinda chunks
forest token
I've done zeus^2 at 40 and 45 already
forest token
level 7 ff dio kinda chunks
It was lvl 3 leaving ely
hexed sapphire
also is that dashing wallop 2nd hammer
hexed sapphire
bruh should've just taken the cshot
haughty sky
yea
forest token
Eh I thought about it but I just got the hang of actually using the special with bull rushing lmao
haughty sky
especially if time was a concern
hexed sapphire
no KF with frost strike pretty sadge
forest token
especially if time was a concern
Ngl I didn't think about the time until right before em3
haughty sky
i am so killing freeze pilled
forest token
no KF with frost strike pretty sadge
I only saw Dem once and it was just for that one boon lmfao
hexed sapphire
ever since I tried the 64 route killing freeze has held a special place in my heart
forest token
Lmao kf is good but I don't pick up Dem enough to actually use it
hexed sapphire
dem is amazing in heat tho
hexed sapphire
I've actually been forcing her instead of arty for luci attempts because of how pilled chill is
forest token
Chill pill
haughty sky
i was trying achilles 50 yesterday and kept dying in tart
switched to guan yu and got past lernie first try
forest token
Lmfao true
haughty sky
i realized i can do ri0 achilles anyway so it’s basically 40 heat
forest token
Did you do drunk strike pos for 50 heat lmao
mossy zinc
Pact looks fine for normal mode tbh.
forest token
Antos is so based
hexed sapphire
Did you do drunk strike pos for 50 heat lmao
no
you use it at like 57 because you can't even luck into a cast build at that level
hexed sapphire
Athena hasn't given me a divine dash after 2.5 hours of grinding today
Lucifer 60 btw
forest token
Lmao rip
haughty sky
60…
haughty sky
are you still starting with flash fire
hexed sapphire
that was an accident
forest token
What pact is it from 57 to 60?
haughty sky
first run without triple bomb first hammers is gonna get divine dash c17
mossy zinc
Hopefully the high heat equivalent in Hades 2 won't end up just being resets for hours until you get anything halfway usable.
hexed sapphire
What pact is it from 57 to 60?
+RI2 +CP2
forest token
Oh that's horrible
mossy zinc
Vanilla or modded?
forest token
Can't wait for hades 2 ap4
hexed sapphire
Vanilla or modded?
obv modded
Lucifer is actually unusable without both lightning strike and triple bomb
and resetting for both 
forest token
Reset for epic lmao
hexed sapphire
lightning strike rarity don't matter
haughty sky
is drunk luci a thing
hexed sapphire
drunk luci is suicide
forest token
And also the drunk cap
hexed sapphire
you use lightning bolts to explode da bom
forest token
But then you won't have triple bomb until ely
forest token
Oh yeah ap2 lmao
haughty sky
i think when i did luci 40 i thought you were supposed to turn aim assist off
haughty sky
yea
hexed sapphire
then u explod bom with that
hexed sapphire
ngl I just reset hammer starts
especially with like a big unarmored witch or skulls room it's actually awful
haughty sky
it’s kinda crazy how rail has such ass damage without lightning strike
hexed sapphire
Spread fire!!!
hexed sapphire
Aspect D'Hestia!!!
forest token
I bet that would work
hexed sapphire
I remember modding it in to try it and it just didn't work
like it just didn't shoot
haughty sky
doom is +500% 🧠
hexed sapphire
people used to try arty attack on Lucifer because the ramping damage
hexed sapphire
imagine making luci worse chiron 😭
haughty sky
surely aphro is better
hexed sapphire
ramping damage is better w crits
forest token
Imagine taking arty strike on luci and accidentally taking eternal chamber
What's the base damage of luci like 10
Crit for 30 baybee
hexed sapphire
it's funny how basically all the aspect specific hammers are useless
because top 3 is triple bomb piercing fire targeting system
forest token
Game balancing moment
haughty sky
(lie) greater inferno goes hard
hexed sapphire
I read a gamefaq that said greater inferno made Lucifer playable
forest token
Get all the Athena boons on luci
forest token
Wait what
mossy zinc
people used to try arty attack on Lucifer because the ramping damage
% Attack is fine on Lucifer up to certain heats at least. Not good for room clear, but good boss damage at least.
forest token
wait i didn’t know luci could get hazard
Liar
hexed sapphire
luci can't get hazard
haughty sky
fun fact about luci is the attack won’t stop em4 spear throw unless you have divine strike
why does megasheet say it can
hexed sapphire
the attack doesn't do anything to projectiles
which makes the aspect super punishing
if you get hit you have to deal with the long windup
haughty sky
it’d be kinda hype if eris could get triple beam
hexed sapphire
if only triple beam let you shotgun
honest kernel
<@456226577798135808> do you have some simple, general Zeus tips for <@733775512...
With an off-meta build, hmm ?
Depends on how hard we go on the off-meta
I do not have samples for that
But what I can say is mostly the same on how I would handle Elysium in general : Know thy enemy. Seriously, you'll want to be able to sneak in damage as much as you want, and just throwing the disc and playing like bow or Hestia isn't going to cut it. You have a tool to push enemies in the standing attack and bullrush, use it to group enemies
Spearmen, Chariot are the easier targets, since you can bait them into each other by aggroing them and running until they line up (You can throw the disc behind you and recall it fast, which sneaks in extra damage too!)
Swordsmen, Archers are a bit more tricky. Their movement can be a little more erratic, so you need to catch them while their attacks are on cooldown (swords) or while they run away (archers)
forest token
For off meta he's using Dio special btw
honest kernel
Tiny Chariots you can technically block, but this takes a while if you don't aggro them, and they can tokyo drift on you and catch your blindside if you aren't careful. If you have explosive return, this makes dealing with them much easier, as you run around the middle of the room and get their aggro while dealing damage to them (Don't do it too soon if they are unarmored and have Damage Control, as this will stun them, and slow them down). Otherwise, just crash them into obstacles, or push them away
honest kernel
For off meta he's using Dio special btw
Noted. This shouldn't change much then
forest token
True
honest kernel
Only, that Tiny Chariots won't be killed as fast with Damage Control, but might die in one explosion instead of 2