Sigil for Speedrun on certain aspects I believe, for higher heat stuff like acorn or tooth
#h1-high-heat-strategies
forest token
obtuse compass
ah ok
mossy zinc
Sigil is just for speedruns, yeah.
obtuse compass
oh nah
mossy zinc
I guess high heat speedruns, too.
obtuse compass
i'm goin fast but not speedrunning in technical sense
shy plinth
Moving with purpose and precision is just part of playing at heat
forest token
Sigil will make your shots on hades do big damage but defensive stuff is safer obv
shy plinth
Don't get overconfident, I usually just double acorn for ely+styx
Lot of people do tooth on ely if they think they're gonna die to bull miniboss
mossy zinc
Hourglass can be safer in Elysium than Acorn or Lucky Tooth if you're using a Cast aspect.
mossy zinc
Not just for Braid.
obtuse compass
Moving with purpose and precision is just part of playing at heat
i misplace dashes still, working on that. not so much dashes during combat, but room clearing dashes. getting stuck on geometry, slow door opens, stuff like that
although i do occasionally run into, ya know, nemean chariots and take 45 damage from three un-dashable hits
🙂
forest token
Practice high heat by speedrunning lol
shy plinth
Or just do a bunch of runs
mossy zinc
Braid of Atlas, Prometheus Stone, Cyclops Jerky, Nail of Talos, Fateful Twist, Ignited Ichor, Touch of Styx, Eris Bangle, Aether Net... all great items that'll help you clear encounters before they become a threat.
Well, Touch of Styx won't help too much with clearing faster.
mossy zinc
Very true.
forest token
"clear runs faster by actually clearing a run" lmao
shy plinth
Advanced strats
obtuse compass
i love elysium. i love elysium. i'm not salty. i love elysium. i love elysium.
forest token
Sounds like someone got wombo comboed
forest token
It's always those huh
shy plinth
Imagine what would've happened if there were 20% more of them and they had 15% more health
obtuse compass
i can't even hardly dash out of them it feels like. i can't buffer their hitlag for some reason. they require timing to escape
bowmen really do throw me thru a loop. speeders, specifically. actually, most BP-affected bowmen get me pretty good
mossy zinc
i can't even hardly dash out of them it feels like. i can't buffer their hitlag ...
Distance and obstacles are your friends.
obtuse compass
but speeders urgh
there were not many obstacles in this room unfortunately, hence losing the tooth. oh well, got a dd from athena out of it, so win-lose?
forest token
DD cheese with SD is always fun
shy plinth
Using a consumable dd and not being dead seems like a win overall
obtuse compass
DD cheese with SD is always fun
usually i forget to die when i try to do it 😭 but that was covered this time around for sure
i grab the boon to try to leave asap and realize as the menu opens that i will not be receiving a death defiance
mossy zinc
Why did you ask me about Lucky Tooth when you didn't end up following my advice anyway? 
mossy zinc
...
obtuse compass
i run tooth for ely most times recently cuz of scary bull
mossy zinc
Minotaur less scary if you play guder.
forest token
Lmao got a point there
mossy zinc
It's a quote from Master Achilles, I think.
mossy zinc
Minotaur also much less scary if Minotaur ded.
shy plinth
Big if true
obtuse compass
I HAVE MEG
forest token
just a c36 patty away... right guys... haha
Should've just gotten patty tbh
obtuse compass
i forgot about meg
forest token
Lmfao
obtuse compass
i always forget about meg until i die
mossy zinc
Bruh.
forest token
So did you die
obtuse compass
zero heat runners when they remember they have tools to help:
mossy zinc
Have you learned any Meg setups?
obtuse compass
no i just got into heroes, nyaa reminded me
i have various tidbits about meg setups but never used them practically, no
forest token
Tap up once in the dpad then summon meg for heroes
obtuse compass
i know you can instantly meg the butterfly ball, that's abt it
forest token
Dpad because you want true up
obtuse compass
dpad? u got it. if this misses i will pee
forest token
Lmao
It's always worked for me because keyboard is always true up
You can probably still do it with the stick but less room for error here
mossy zinc
Yeah, if you learn Meg setups, you'll just do them without thinking about it eventually.
obtuse compass
it worked that was pretty nice
i always just try to catch them in their recovery frames
forest token
I've finally learned how to get a 4 witch meg on the wiches circle and it's so satisfying
obtuse compass
but yeah that goes hard, will be doing that
obtuse compass
I've finally learned how to get a 4 witch meg on the wiches circle and it's so s...
i've seen that diagram so many times
so what exactly determines meg angle anyway??? i have never had a clue
forest token
I saw it a long time ago, forgot about it, saw it recently, then nailed it lol
forest token
so what exactly determines meg angle anyway??? i have never had a clue
No clue
I remember someone saying something about zags shoulder
Ik it targets the closest enemy but that's about it
forest token
Interesting
shy plinth
If zag held his right arm straight out from his body and pointed
That is the direction meg goes
shy plinth
I mean I don't know what it's based on
But I know that it's always horizontal over the model and always travels to the right of the way he's facing
obtuse compass
nah i just mean the direction is determined from the bones of the animation/model rig. i don't mean that i know why they chose that. lol
super cool good to know
mossy zinc
Zag is a sprite. 
obtuse compass
slim thick...
dapper schooner
Minotaur less scary if you play guder.
this is true
fathom spear
I hourglass'd my 60 hestia attempts, it was very good
mossy zinc
I've considered reducing LC in high heat just because Hourglass exists.
dire steppe
Just learned about the delta chamber bug
Doesn’t that make it unironically good or am i missing something
left prism
Very comfy hammer yes
nocturne stag
Delta chamber bug?
jaunty falcon
Dash striking with delta chamber gives full immunity frames
As if you were empty dashing
nocturne stag
Oh that!
lone bridge
if it wasnt there the hammer wouldnt be very good lol
chrome kite
Why are rail and shield hammers so massive
They're already the best weapons
Well bow is p nasty
But damn give sword and fists something thicc too 😩
shy plinth
Double edge seems pretty significant
chrome kite
That's a single hammer though
Whereas the other weapons get several super good ones
Excalibur area buff is nice but that's on one aspect and it isn't even the best one
Cursed slash feels like a slap in the face when guan yu exists
Dash-Strike does not restore health.
Piercing Wave has no benefit from this upgrade; only melee strikes will restore health.
lone bridge
Why are rail and shield hammers so massive
theres like 1 good shield hammer lmao
the rest are either ok or just do nothing
pseudo kernel
theres a reason sword and fists are the worst weapons
lone bridge
^^
pseudo kernel
theres like 1 good shield hammer lmao
Sudden ferocious unyielding charged flight
Smh
chrome kite
Like why is that a thing when guan yu can just spam spin attacks that have like 3 possible upgrades + has special spam
shy plinth
I... don't think spamming spin attacks is how the weapon plays at high heat lol
chrome kite
the rest are either ok or just do nothing
faster bull rush for beo seems stupid
pseudo kernel
Pulv blow can be good
lone bridge
Sudden ferocious unyielding charged flight
yeah those 3 are like between ok and good but thats it
chrome kite
And then there's just charge
lone bridge
cshot is just so ridiculously insane compared to other shield hammers
pseudo kernel
I... don't think spamming spin attacks is how the weapon plays at high heat lol
Peak guan yu performance 🗿
shy plinth
Spin2Win bb
shy plinth
Bow and rail hammers both seem significantly better than the others
lone bridge
yeah
chrome kite
I... don't think spamming spin attacks is how the weapon plays at high heat lol
I'm using that as a comparison to cursed slash though. You can easily heal up by spamming it from range while sword can't even dash strike
shy plinth
I don't think it's necessary to do a strawman comparison to something that basically never happens at high heat
It's enough to say that hammer balance is not created equally but when you're pushing 50+ you're already dealing with the game's balance breaking down under the pressure
Some things are just better choices
chrome kite
It just feels odd that something like beo mirage bug or dash strike i frames on eris are a thing when other weapons are already far behind
shy plinth
They stopped updating the game and didn't catch every bug
Happens
They're relatively small things that I don't think matter for the vast majority of the player base
pseudo kernel
Dash strike iframes are a thing for delta chamber not just eris
shy plinth
And super high heat pushers are just gonna do what wins the most
mossy zinc
I... don't think spamming spin attacks is how the weapon plays at high heat lol
It can be if you get Quick Spin.
mossy zinc
cshot is just so ridiculously insane compared to other shield hammers
cshot is just so ridiculously insane compared to other
shieldhammers
pseudo kernel
what
pseudo kernel
ogey
lone bridge
bro wasn't gonna tell me she had the 32 heat hera wr
she doesnt, nitro does
pseudo kernel
he doesnt i do
lone bridge
he doesnt i do
oh damn it youre right smh
pseudo kernel
me
pseudo kernel
also 57 hera guy
obtuse compass
i can't find their run can you link it
lone bridge
oh yeah true
obtuse compass
oh that's it?? i had that tab open and must have accidentally closed it 
aight aight good stuff thanks
pseudo kernel
no
lone bridge
yes
lone bridge
yep
pseudo kernel
do you hate zag shield that much to do this
or do you hate yourself enough to do this
lone bridge
do you hate zag shield that much to do this
yes
id rather play eris than zag shield
so ive decided to play zag shield as eris
pseudo kernel
bruh you just made the worst zag shield 50 pact i have ever seen
i didnt even know those existed
lone bridge
lmao
forest token
Just get the boon™️
left prism
Stop cheating
jaunty falcon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550473367635886112/1010224446059053158/...
How’d it go
hexed sapphire
How’d it go
I don't want to talk about it 🙁
cosmic coral
hey whats the most accepted hard but not impossible heat thats like a challenge but still possible for a really good player idk im not explainin this well
cosmic coral
ig im asking whats after that tho now that i think about it its prolly just one higher
cosmic coral
Typically after that it's 40, 45, and 50
thats what i was asking thanks very much :>
mossy zinc
hey whats the most accepted hard but not impossible heat thats like a challenge ...
64 is hard but not impossible for a really good player.
forest token
Lmfao not wrong
pseudo kernel
63
cosmic coral
ima watch that
pseudo kernel
But ye
mossy zinc
The High Heat Leaderboard is pinned if you want to have a look.
cosmic coral
The High Heat Leaderboard is pinned if you want to have a look.
im looking rn
cursive portal
im looking rn
the 63 heat isnt on that leaderboard
https://youtu.be/I3dYGU5RTts if you're still looking for it
forest token
Absolute gamer
cursive portal
thanks 
clever otter
there u go
pseudo kernel
pog
half heart
@cursive portal sword 57 WR when? ;)
pseudo kernel
60 nem when
cursive portal
57 nem was one of the hardest things ive done in this game lol
cursive portal
60 nem when
ask damue
pseudo kernel
he hasnt said anything in like 6 months 😔
jaunty falcon
wonder why
half heart
I have 57 nem
Seems like I'm blind and I can't find it on YT - only poseidon 55
half heart
Thx
half heart
I can imagine it will be long before 60 heat nemesis sword
lunar jewel
is epic rarity quick recovery good?
the thing from hermes that makes you recover hp after getting hit and dashing
forest token
it's pretty good, what are the other options
lunar jewel
epic greater haste (+40% move speed) or epic quick reload but i'm not going for that
i'm mostly thinking between greater haste and quick recovery\
this is 32 heat
chiron bow
forest token
are you using lc4 sd?
lunar jewel
aight
forest token
someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but im pretty sure it still counts as a recovery method so you'd get 0 hp out of that
haste opens up rush delivery, which is pretty good even at common and hey bonus damage is bonus damage
forest token
lmfao did you not look at your pact
lunar jewel
i have no idea how i missed that
i just read the pinned message and did lc4 + sd
but i thought it's just a big healing reduction, not 100%
forest token
the reason why lc4 and SD work so well together is because you can reset your SD before you enter the next room, which is effectively your source of healing
lunar jewel
and had no idea it works against that boon
forest token
lmao
left prism
then i dont think quick recovery works then lmao
it does
left prism
ig is not considered a heal? idk
and even then some things like draining cutter/cursed slash/gy spin heal you anyways so
forest token
but like, when you proc it i'm fairly certain it says "+x" when it happens
forest token
and even then some things like draining cutter/cursed slash/gy spin heal you any...
true, but also the dio boons that can heal you dont work at all so i'd assume god healing wouldn't work
cursive portal
Quick recovery is so pog
Wanna know something cursed
If you have earring and take a hit that makes you lose SD
If you time it correctly you can actually get a heal thats larger than 30%
its so stupid
cursive portal
When it happened I was trying to keep earring up and it made it not proc 🗿
So over 35%
incredible honestly
I'II get footage tomorrow it honestly makes my brain implode
pseudo kernel
If you time it correctly you can actually get a heal thats larger than 30%
bruh
sweet cypress
that didnt explain anything bruh
wary ridge
hey does anyone know the best aspect statistically for each weapon?
for the high heat runs
forest token
how high we talking?
because 32 can be considered high, but also it caps at 64 and some aspects work well at 32-50 and start to struggle more higher
wary ridge
well say 32 to 50
forest token
sword is probably nemesis, spear probably guan yu, shield probably beo, bow is either zag or rama, fists is demeter, rail are all viable so can't really tell off the top of my head
thing is, most aspects work at 50 if you're talented enough
zeus shield is also really solid, hera is good at 32 but starts to drop off at higher heats because of JS and CP
achilles is great for cast builds and there's only 1 good fist lmao
lone bridge
hey does anyone know the best aspect statistically for each weapon?
nem/arthur, guan yu, zeus, rama, zag/talos/dem, eris is what has cleared the highest for each weapon
but thats not necessarily whats best for high heat
spare juniper
is there a website i can see this and which mirror perks i should take
lone bridge
for high heat the recommended aspects are nem/gy/zeus, zag shield, beo/rama (zag bow is decent), demeter, and eris, hesty, somewhat luci
forest token
#h1-for-new-players message
mirror guide by MiKe, although with higher heat you want to change a few things
lone bridge
is there a website i can see this and which mirror perks i should take
this is generally what the mirror looks like
but a few changes can be made depending on the aspect
spare juniper
nice awsome thanks so much guys
forest token
there's also a recommended 32 heat pact pinned here
hexed sapphire
Not rr, bad mirror
lone bridge
namely on gilga (and... em4 beo?) you take ruthless reflex over greater reflex
also pstatus on passion flare beo
and some weapons opt for shadow over fiery
forest token
i feel like rr would make chasing casts a nightmare on beo lmao
lone bridge
i feel like rr would make chasing casts a nightmare on beo lmao
its actually not bad
hexed sapphire
Just get hermes legendary
lone bridge
doesnt change much
hexed sapphire
Or use stygian
forest token
oh i guess if you're using snow burst optimally then yeah it's not bad
lone bridge
also yeah stygian/infernal is generally preference on non cast wepons
forest token
i always preload my cast while dashing towards enemies so snow burst isn't dealing damage
lone bridge
in that fight you are almost never double dashing anyways lmao
lone bridge
i always preload my cast while dashing towards enemies so snow burst isn't deali...
what the
just do it during the dash strike and charge
forest token
force of habit because i never use/look for snow burst normally lol
like as soon as i pick up the cast i load it and realize i wasted snow burst
lone bridge
you load the cast as soon as you pick it up??
forest token
yeah
lone bridge
that is atrocious lmao
forest token
i load it while dashing towards enemies
and sometimes they're not close enough to SB doesnt hit
because since i never use snow burst i've never had a reason to wait to load it when i'm close to enemies
hexed sapphire
💀
forest token
i honestly don't see why it's bad lmao
cursive portal
pseudo kernel
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lone bridge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880032834050478101/992721367982145556/u...
now this is a high heat strategy
quartz mantle
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forest token
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jaunty falcon
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hexed sapphire
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flint cedar
Just wondering once you get all the bounties for a weapon is it OK to just skip straight to heat 32?
Like I won't be missing anything doing that
forest token
Same
neat sonnet
i did 32 with a weapon that’s still at a 6 bounty lmao
lone bridge
i did 32 heat with a weapon that hadnt gotten any 1 heat bounties
neat sonnet
🫡
mossy zinc
I did 52 WR with a weapon aspect that had only 1 clear previously.
shy plinth
Was it Gilga
pseudo kernel
can we go back to when gilg wasnt in the game yet
shy plinth
:3
quiet mountain
natsy dash
distant pelican
is there any way for the heroes boss fight with fo2 and em3 to not kill me 4 times every run
shy plinth
Focus bull first, have big damage, don't get greedy with the helicopter spin, practice empty dashing to dodge bull hits?
If you're used to fo0 and you're trying to squeeze in damage during the triple jump you're probably just gonna get hit and die
lone bridge
yeah empty dashes help a lot
distant pelican
how do i dodge that charge attack he so speed
forest token
The other idea is to face tank it so he stops
lone bridge
lmao
the only problem with staying near the edge is theseus but hes not too hard to dodge
pseudo kernel
just block it
forest token
If you're using shield that idea works actually if you're blocking lol
distant pelican
i just ignore theseus most of the time until the bull is gone
hes sort of just there
forest token
That's what you're supposed to do
magic pier
Keep the bull onscreen and visible so that you aren't being hit by offscreen leap attacks. The sound and visual cue for the bull winding up the spin attack just needs to be learned and internalized - just get away from the bull then and go pick on Theseus. If the issue is the charge, I'd argue that on the higher FO the key is not panicking and not dashing without a point, or at least timing out your dashes so you're not caught without one. Walls or pillars or Theseus himself is up to you and whatever is most convenient. Asterius can and will turn on a dime so spam-dashing will get you hit most of the time. Asterius also has a tell with his snorting and wind-up for the charge; if you spot it in the chaos, you can use the time to run over to the nearest obstacle.
quartz mantle
You just gotta keep out of the center so Theseus can’t just gattling gun down the center and eat your health alive
Focusing Asterius first is always a good idea imo
When it’s just Theseus it’s really easy to burst him down during the start of his second phase
frozen spear
EM theseus truly is horrifying imo
one bad dash while asterius is taking all your attention and he'll take out your hp instantly
quartz mantle
I mean just don’t lose sight of him
magic pier
Yes, agreed. FWIW, I personally tend to try hang close to Theseus. Asterius will seek you out (unlike Theseus), so I'm usually just trying to make sure he stays on-screen so I don't get surprised by a leap. I get plenty of time to thump Asterius, but then I'm always aware of Theseus' positioning and I can thump him whenever I'm not hitting the bull (e.g. retreating from the spin attack). It can be a bit more dangerous but for me personally, it is a faster fight.
sweet cypress
EM theseus truly is horrifying imo
Vehicular manslaughter
honest kernel
except this time it was very much intentional
broken mortar
idk what all this means but if u get the blade dash and double dash u can outrun the minotaur whilst doing dmg
quartz mantle
Not fo2 em3 Asterius
At least without any chill
Maybe 10 chill stacks w/ killing freeze you can outrun FO2 EM3 Asterius with hyper sprint + extra dashes but I doubt it
fluid badge
angelic's 63 heat is super impressive. do you think angelic will ever consider the pain of unmodded max heat run or is it just too annoying/rng
pseudo kernel
No
fluid badge
yeah totally fair enough. i saw on the reddit post for the 64 heat/max hell mode attempt (not sure if it has since been done), one or two annoying/silly comments saying "oh it's a fairly big boost", "hardly small" or something like that wrt modded as if 1st boon/1st hammer/2 sack changes everything
left prism
Have you seen the route for 64 heat? Done by Baj
forest token
yeah totally fair enough. i saw on the reddit post for the 64 heat/max hell mode...
Speedrunning wise it will give you better times but like, you're not gonna have good times if you have crap hammers and rng lmao
Which is why there's modded and unmodded sections for speedrunning
Also unmodded ap2 just sucks
fluid badge
oh sure for speedrunning it is more consistant/reliable but in terms of skill at 63 heat (or high heat) there is little difference it's not something that's like a big gameplay advantage
fluid badge
Have you seen the route for 64 heat? Done by Baj
sorry, didnt see the reply.. yep i've seen the routed run and also saw the best attempt by baj. it's amazing to me how these players deal with jury summons 3 and cp 2 and get out in time with everything else hampered. at td3 i'm lucky to get through tarterus with js1 and that's with a full mirror lel
ripe ermine
It’s mostly about fewer resets. Without Explosive Return and an Epic Thunder Flourish you just don’t have the damage to deal with the timer
solemn pulsar
Yeah it’s an incredible advantage
neat sonnet
modded consistency really is out of this world
quartz mantle
Modding just makes it so the run takes less time to do
Especially at a difficulty of this caliber you just need the best starts you can get
Ultimately in unmodded you’re just resetting for the same things you’re getting w/ mods
Which is like a 1/400ish chance
Plus the whole sack nonsense which isn’t skill based in the slightest at this level
An argument could be made that dealing with rng is a part of the difficulty but that’s not really true with heats as high as angel is pushing
Dealing with bad rng on a 50 heat run = timer is a lil sketchy and you might have a close finish with low health
Dealing with bad rng on a 60+ heat run = you lose
It’s not engaging gameplay
solemn pulsar
there's no "just" about it taking less time, it's more time to practice the appropriate gameplay, more time to practice with better builds, etc etc, and unmodded can always make do with suboptimal things in some cases, look at the legendary anvil in tail's 60.
modding for heat is basically "seeding" heat plus a host of extra benefits. It's a separate category, it goes farther than "just" less time taken to do a run, and even that is discounting the huge advantage that consistent hammers/boons gives for practice alone
fluid badge
i don't have mods available (console peasant : D), but it's just the first boon that you get to choose with mod on right? a choice for each main slot
as well as first hammer.. but in terms of boons just the first one
left prism
Yeah first boon will offer all 4 cores
fluid badge
the comments i was referring to (not that reddit should matter THAT much), said it's like having AP2 turned off iirc but it isn't
left prism
Angel uses guaranteed epic along with that iirc
fluid badge
you can usually get a rare first boon you want with ap turned off, mirror and keepsake on fairly quickly but with 63 heat it could take ages so in this context i guess it makes the biggest difference with ap2 and god's pride off so basically v high heat. but ap is still on for everything after that obv
ashen garnet
Another thing to consider is that pact conditions are synergizing with each other and that lacking damage while running aspects extreme heat (only having your epic guaranteed boon for instance) and encountering a set of bad rooms/enemies without any skip in the biome can just force you to timeout and die to the clock, which adds up to the already nefarious sack rng
fluid badge
yep i think in the v high heat scenario, basically the first boon being epic is usually going to be key tho? so restart if not or not really expect to win. and it matters for more for things like zeus shield/zeus special or rail/drunken strike compared to say sword with % attacks or artermis
interestingly there doesn't seem to be a massive difference (it is there) on speedrun.com for 32/40/50 heat for mod vs unmod and that's for times not heat record although you can't compare the two just on the list of those submitted times
fluid badge
interestingly there doesn't seem to be a massive difference (it is there) on spe...
or if you're remlosh you take the purse and see what happens
forest token
the comments i was referring to (not that reddit should matter THAT much), said ...
For the starting boons and hammer but like, she would've had to reset until she got the start she wanted ao it really didn't matter lmao
quiet mountain
or if you're remlosh you take the purse and see what happens
aside from mirror biggest change from mid heat to supa heat is rng goes down the drain
so best case supa heat just ignores some of the heat
aka retrash gameing
fluid badge
For the starting boons and hammer but like, she would've had to reset until she ...
for sure, was just saying that approval process affects the whole run (ofc) and also can screw you so just having the first boon.. while it is a...well a boon, it's not similar to turning ap2 off in terms of gameplay difficulty
quiet mountain
its not really in the spirit of ap2 but neither is resetting till u get what u want anyway
fluid badge
i guess another point about ap2 in that respect is that usually ppl don't come up with exactly what 15 or 25 boons they want, so it's not like you'd reset every time you don't get every single boon in a list.. ap2 just makes what you do get "worse" than what you would've got otherwise
fluid badge
aka retrash gameing
oh wow just noticed i got the name wrong. remlosh is someone completely different lol meant retrash! yea in his vids i've seen he often take a bit of money or pom blossom and then take it from there at high heats.. quite chaddish really
shy plinth
That guy is on his own plane of existence
left prism
Retrash do be based
fluid badge
to be fair i haven't watch all this vid (so apologies if wrong) but found a minute ago with chiron bow heat 55. the gist: don't really want any of that keepsake or "building" blather... whatever boons he comes across while killing enemies - that is the build OK. zeus on dash, doom on special.. found common aphrodiate on attack - but sell that and have nothing on attack for until near ish the end where sticking on lv1 lightening strike for em4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCI0Tm478hI
mossy zinc
What if Retrash just presses buttons at random and it happens to work out?
lone bridge
that would certainly be an interesting strategy
sweet cypress
to be fair i haven't watch all this vid (so apologies if wrong) but found a minu...
are you kidding me
fluid badge
What if Retrash just presses buttons at random and it happens to work out?
he sometimes does, but prefers the extra rng from playing normally
sweet cypress
monkey on a typewriter playing hades
solemn pulsar
poor retrash, i feel so bad for him
had a glitched game with EM4 always on
couldn't turn it off 😢
fluid badge
poor retrash, i feel so bad for him
can see why he was confused when people kept mentioning it, he thought em4 was a secret aspect of the rail to be unlocked for a long time
half heart
Question - for really high heat runs (like 45-50+ heats) people tend to take Dionysus attack, because you're not depended on jolt and other bonuses for Zeus, which you might not get? 🤔
pseudo kernel
Yeah but that's more 50+ since that's where you usually take ap2
45-50 you can still take ap2 and use Zeus attack
Ap1
half heart
Gotcha
mossy zinc
45–50 I'd say just take whichever one you prefer out of those two. Both are good picks.
mossy zinc
@obtuse compass what are you considering DC2 for?
quiet mountain
to be fair i haven't watch all this vid (so apologies if wrong) but found a minute ago with chiron bow heat 55. the gist: don't really want any of that keepsake or "building" blather... whatever boons he comes across while killing enemies - that is the build OK. zeus on dash, doom on special.. found common aphrodiate on attack - but sell that and have nothing on attack for until near ish the end where sticking on lv1 lightening strike for em4
sweet cypress
is this a copypasta now
lone bridge
i hope not
nocturne stag
Aphrodiate tho
lean oyster
Does High heat bare more Rewards than normal Heat?
frozen spear
Does High heat bare more Rewards than normal Heat?
nope
lone bridge
Does High heat bare more Rewards than normal Heat?
yes if you beat 64 heat you get 1 extra darkness from the final boss
lean oyster
64 heat is even possible??
left prism
Hell mode exclusive
Max on normal is 63
And if you mean beatable? Only 2 people have gotten to dad (with 1 of them also beating the route for 64 heat)
lone bridge
angel was 1 second away from beating it
its so amazing how it was literally like 1 second
1 more second of damage and he wouldve been dead
left prism
I saw a lot of screenahots from angel at 64 that i forgot that one
Now the pain is back
mossy zinc
One loss is no different from another.
Only wins count.
AngeL1C wins at 64: 0
Nyaanyaa wins at 64: 0
I see no difference in skill.
pseudo kernel
Angel sub8s with hunting blades Hera: 0
Ayowee sub8s with hunting blades Hera: 1
I win
lone bridge
yes
sweet cypress
kid named 60 minute clear:
lone bridge
just ap2 into vm and sit in a corner
left prism
Ap2 into rod
lone bridge
nah rod means you have to unblock occasionally
forest token
oh true i should go for vengeful mood
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1012473467028914287/...
that's the cursed slash pact + PL
forest token
oh crap i forgot about that too
lone bridge
Super dad will pierce your shield anywas
wait what really
forest token
is this a slicing flare run lmfao
frozen spear
superdad likes to ignore shields
left prism
Point blank skulls/spear throws tend to just hit you anyways
lone bridge
oh thats what you mean
left prism
Bull man can do it too
pseudo kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1012473467028914287/...
10/10
sweet cypress
Super dad will pierce your shield anywas
he what
left prism
Point blank skulls/spear throws tend to just hit you anyways
.
Dad doesnt care of your plate
Sometimes
sweet cypress
lmao dad really just said "No"
forest token
hm
i'll figure it out
probably
my idea rn is slicing flare beo and ap2 into vengeful mood
left prism
Slicing to strip dc2?
frozen spear
you're not actually trying this are you
obtuse compass
<@668251082517905408> what are you considering DC2 for?
nothing in particular. i just want to break 50 heat and wondered how best to go about it in general without nailing myself to an aspect
sorry for ping
frozen spear
eris is a good starter 50
obtuse compass
rail stink
frozen spear
idk do zshield then
pseudo kernel
Bruh just use zag spear
pseudo kernel
idk do zshield then
Ap2 cshot reset fun
lone bridge
nothing in particular. i just want to break 50 heat and wondered how best to go ...
hestia kinda good
obtuse compass
you said i should run hera 50 again?
sweet cypress
Kid named rama:
lone bridge
and the other 2 suck
lone bridge
you said i should run hera 50 again?
why did you even ask for advice
obtuse compass
because i like bothering you
jaunty falcon
50 hera is v painful
obtuse compass
nah i'm prolly gonna do rama first but i do wanna do hera some day
sounds like the kind of painful pointless challenge i'll enjoy
frozen spear
Ap2 cshot reset fun
oh is it unmodded
obtuse compass
yes
frozen spear
uh
forest token
oh damn i died chamber 5
frozen spear
I'd recommend eris or hesty then
frozen spear
hesty really likes hazard but you can make do without
eris you just kinda wanna roll for delta
frozen spear
I mean just roll runs for it
frozen spear
with AP1 you should get a decent rail hammer most of the time
just pray for no seeking
obtuse compass
never so much as even heard of that hammer
frozen spear
worst base rail hammer imo
90% because rail autoaim means you're literally never gonna miss
left prism
Sgg forgot they included aim assist so they added seeking
obtuse compass
they forgor 💀
frozen spear
people say it does literally nothing on hesty but it actually does slightly affect bullet trajectory
distant pelican
eris you just kinda wanna roll for delta
wait what why
forest token
i have hammer and chaos c1 so the 58 heat beo run is gonna be after that lmao
frozen spear
so it's not a 100% bust if you get it unlike a lot of shield crap
frozen spear
yeah then you can force poseidon for dash and just monkeybrain everything
distant pelican
ive been avoiding delta chamber like the plague because i thought it was useless
distant pelican
if i dont beat 32 heat first try with delta chamber im suing
distant pelican
ive been doing that anyway
lone bridge
ive been avoiding delta chamber like the plague because i thought it was useless...
literally its so good
obtuse compass
do you have a source for your claim?
frozen spear
I also adore the no reloading part of delta
lone bridge
do you have a source for your claim?
yeah bob over there
frozen spear
it makes high heat super comfy
distant pelican
so do my dash strikes basically have empty dash iframes
obtuse compass
bob deez n
frozen spear
that's right
lone bridge
so do my dash strikes basically have empty dash iframes
yep
distant pelican
thats insane
lone bridge
yep
frozen spear
basically ddash + splashdash
obtuse compass
divine dash without reflection 😍
distant pelican
can i get the numbers for how many iframes i get for empty dashes compared to dash strikes it feels so different
lone bridge
basically ddash + splashdash
except ddash cant protect from some melee attacks
so this is even better
left prism
can i get the numbers for how many iframes i get for empty dashes compared to da...
Dash strike = iframes gone
obtuse compass
can i get the numbers for how many iframes i get for empty dashes compared to da...
i mean the frame you attack you're vulnerable so
lone bridge
can i get the numbers for how many iframes i get for empty dashes compared to da...
it depends on when you dash strike
as soon as you hit attack all of your subequent iframes are gone
frozen spear
is it possible to dstrike without losing iframes
lone bridge
is it possible to dstrike without losing iframes
yes
distant pelican
oh so its not that i suck but that i suck at knowing what a dash strike is
lone bridge
its called a delayed dash strike
frozen spear
huh that's nice
left prism
Delay the dash strike yea
distant pelican
i just assumed that i was mistiming stuff
obtuse compass
with god like timing you could get up to 1 frame vulnerable i suppose
frozen spear
well 0 frames
distant pelican
kinda unrelated but can the game be played at higher than 60 fps
lone bridge
yeah you can actually dash strike way after your dash iframes are over
lone bridge
its especially good for fresh file
distant pelican
i wish the game told me this
lone bridge
where you arent just dpsing the hell out of everything
left prism
its especially good for fresh file
i think delayed dash str- exactly lmao
frozen spear
i wish the game told me this
facts
lone bridge
i think delayed dash str- exactly lmao
lmaoo
frozen spear
hades is weirdly opaque about a lot of basic game mechanics and idk why
I think it's bad design
left prism
i wish the game told me this
at least you arent Bigp
distant pelican
first i didnt know you could charge the shot after dash striking on the bow and now this
lone bridge
hades is weirdly opaque about a lot of basic game mechanics and idk why
yeah its a bit annoying
obtuse compass
hades is weirdly opaque about a lot of basic game mechanics and idk why
because it lets the player discover them for themselves and helps them feel a sense of accomplishment 🙂
also you're escaping hell you don't get a to-do list lol
distant pelican
what next can the dash also move through spacetime
lone bridge
like the fact that it doesnt tell you dashes have iframes and dash strikes dont is really weird
left prism
first i didnt know you could charge the shot after dash striking on the bow and ...
doesnt the game tell you this
or you mean you just released attack directly after dash strike
lone bridge
yeah the game does tell you that
distant pelican
or you mean you just released attack directly after dash strike
yeah that
left prism
like the fact that it doesnt tell you dashes have iframes and dash strikes dont ...
ig they just assumed everyone assumed dodge/dash etc = iframes?
dash strike part def should be told tho
lone bridge
yeah fs
left prism
they already tell you god mode exists through skelly so might as well
obtuse compass
what next can the dash also move through spacetime
fun fact: there's a discussion you and thanatos have eventually where he talks about his instant transporting all over the world to reap souls, and they both describe it as a "shift" that bends space. so yes this is canon and zag's "dash" is the exact same thing as thanatos zipping in and out of rooms instantly but he's way better at it
distant pelican
so if im mashing my dash button as fast as possible how long am i vulnerable for in between them (if at all)
frozen spear
oh I remember that conversation
left prism
so if im mashing my dash button as fast as possible how long am i vulnerable for...
no vulnerable i think but then you have to consider the cooldown
so dont mash dash
distant pelican
yeah ik
frozen spear
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
distant pelican
so dont mash dash
what if i told you ive been doing that this whole time
lone bridge
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
im not sure, i dont think there is
left prism
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
im not pseudo or cgull so dont ask me further
frozen spear
can I ping one of them
lone bridge
@solemn pulsar you probably know, is there?
obtuse compass
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
shouldn't be? i would definitely not think so. if you cancel the dash with another dash you should def be invincible for the whole sequence... right?
left prism
Nyaanyaa probably knows?
frozen spear
epic
lone bridge
oh hi nyaanyaa
obtuse compass
i mean this just seems like base knowledge to me lol
frozen spear
shouldn't be? i would definitely not think so. if you cancel the dash with anoth...
lmao I'm just remembering the times I tried to double dash through dad p2 wave and getting whacked
mossy zinc
nothing in particular. i just want to break 50 heat and wondered how best to go ...
Yeah, in that case definitely DC2 isn't a matter of what god but what aspect. Rama can handle DC2 just fine.
distant pelican
lmao I'm just remembering the times I tried to double dash through dad p2 wave a...
yeah thats what im thinking of
mossy zinc
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
Nope.
obtuse compass
lmao I'm just remembering the times I tried to double dash through dad p2 wave a...
maybe you delayed too much? i certainly HOPE you're not vincible...
lone bridge
i guess youre just bad at buffering
obtuse compass
yeah u delayed too much i didn't think u were able to take a hit
distant pelican
huh more evidence that im just awful at the game
pseudo kernel
I thought there was some vulnerability between two buffered dashes
I wouldn't be surprised if Gilgamesh had some
left prism
Gilgameh
lone bridge
maybe you delayed too much? i certainly HOPE you're not vincible...
i always hate that this is a word
obtuse compass
i mean buffering dashes is terrible lol i can't imagine a single time where buffering back to back dashes would be optimal
i always always delay
lone bridge
i mean buffering dashes is terrible lol i can't imagine a single time where buff...
optimal movement?
obtuse compass
mmmm vincible opposite of invincible mmmm
lone bridge
optimal dps?
left prism
mistimed a dash too
frozen spear
you're not supposed to buffer dashes for max movement I recall
or at least not the second one
lone bridge
you're not supposed to buffer dashes for max movement I recall
wait wtf really
are you serious
quiet mountain
Angel sub8s with hunting blades Hera: 0
Ayowee sub8s with hunting blades Hera: 1...
so that’s how u pronounce u i always wonder
obtuse compass
optimal movement?
how is burning your 2nd dash nearly instantly and entering cooldown for 3 units of in game space optimal
bro are u fr
how did u not know this
frozen spear
yeah you're supposed to have a tiny break between double dashes
distant pelican
you're not supposed to buffer dashes for max movement I recall
dont you cut off a bit of the first dash if you do
lone bridge
how is burning your 2nd dash nearly instantly and entering cooldown for 3 units ...
its not like dashing again cancels the first one
obtuse compass
you delay for max distance coverage and max invuln frames. much much more optimal than mashing
pseudo kernel
are you serious
Bruh
lone bridge
wait does it really wtf
frozen spear
sus
pseudo kernel
wait does it really wtf
What's your boon% pb
lone bridge
next youre going to tell me that weak isnt 10%
obtuse compass
omg i'm kekking i'm never taking advice from u again 
distant pelican
why does no one know how anything in this game works
lone bridge
What's your boon% pb
like 0.99 lmao
pseudo kernel
Bruh
obtuse compass
bruuuuuuhhhhh
frozen spear
ultimately it's irrelevant because the only weapon class is the light shield and their optimal movement pattern is chaining dash + attack with RR
mossy zinc
how did u not know this
Didn't y'all ask me if double dash had any vulnerability inbetween? Maybe sit down. 
lone bridge
i always thought it was because i was bad at hitting e
frozen spear
I did lol
distant pelican
and me
pseudo kernel
And me
distant pelican
teach us more, o wise sage
lone bridge
and me
left prism
Also me
distant pelican
pretty much everyone other than him asked
obtuse compass
me when most basic mechanic in the game is most complicated
pseudo kernel
Everybody except for matty
obtuse compass
love hades
lone bridge
me when most basic mechanic in the game is most complicated
so true
left prism
me when most basic mechanic in the game is most complicated
Me when BigP
lone bridge
wait so then why is buffering dashes for gilga boon% good
obtuse compass
i was staying humble butnyeah yeah
cuz gilga is goofy and has odd dashes i assume
lone bridge
and why is it called buffering if thats not what youre actually doing??!??!?~!23ikluherkuyegrtuysorbehaesrjno;\p
left prism
i was staying humble <:bouldy:523329116934635534> butnyeah yeah
Shorther dashes longer cooldown yeah
lone bridge
buffering implies that you do the action preemptively so it happens after you input it
is that not literally what it means
obtuse compass
i think the better descriptor is "cancelling" instead of buffering because you're most definitely not supposed to buffer dashes in like the majority of scenarios
lone bridge
yeah cancelling is a much better word there\
i think that was the source of my confusion
obtuse compass
i always took issue with that word cuz i play fighting games and buffering is certainly not good
big big difference
lone bridge
buffering is when you hold attack down at the beginning of lernie fight to get cshot off quicker
obtuse compass
you draw it out. make your iframes last as long as possible. exceot gilgamesh. gilgamesh is weird.
distant pelican
yeah cancelling is a much better word there\
my understanding is that you can buffer the input to cancel the dash because it will only let your cancel it after enough time/distance covered
left prism
buffering is when you hold attack down at the beginning of lernie fight to get c...
That works?
pseudo kernel
Bigp moment
left prism
I start with a das strike lmao
distant pelican
I start with a das strike lmao
i start with a cast
pseudo kernel
I start with a das strike lmao
Thats like a 10s timeloss
lone bridge
i start with a cast
this is about beo lol
ashen garnet
Dashing takes approx 1/4s and full dash clip recovery approx 3/4s
distant pelican
this is about beo lol
i am a highly intelligent specimen it seems
obtuse compass
my understanding is that you can buffer the input to cancel the dash because it ...
yeah but the window is so so small that it's almost nonexistent. i mean if you mash b, you almost cover nearly no ground with your first dash. nearly worthless
bro we're talking abt beo?
i didn't pay attention it seems
lone bridge
bro we're talking abt beo? <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
well when i said attack buffer for lernie yeah
obtuse compass
as is typical
mossy zinc
I just mash dash a lot of the time. It's fine. Like with the bow you often just double-dash immediately to get into the right spot to charge a shot.
lone bridge
otherwise not
obtuse compass
oh cshot yeah lol
distant pelican
hades players reach a common consensus challenge (not even theoretically possible)
obtuse compass
I just mash dash a lot of the time. It's fine. Like with the bow you often just ...
can confirm i mash dash on bow a good amount of the time
left prism
We know that eris is stinky now
obtuse compass
but for quicker room clears, covering lava ground, etc. i always delay
pseudo kernel
We know that eris is stinky now
TRUEEEE
lone bridge
ok but mashing dash is good for damage, that point still stands
distant pelican
We know that eris is stinky now
i have like 60 out of my 100 runs on eris
pseudo kernel
ok but mashing dash is good for damage, that point still stands
Nah
lone bridge
i think i just recently crossed the threshold where i have more beo runs then eris runs
every other aspect is like below 40 lmao
and beo and eris are in the 200s
distant pelican
i dont even know what game im playing anymore nothing that i thought i knew was true
who am i
obtuse compass
stinky!! run more zsword
obtuse compass
it's fuuuuun
lone bridge
or even revealed it
distant pelican
because i havent unlocked it
huh same
lone bridge
or even got the waking phrase
pseudo kernel
I still don't have a win with chain skewer 😭
distant pelican
or even got the waking phrase
do you get it from asterius?
obtuse compass
yeh
left prism
stinky!! run more zsword
Waiting for it to be my last aspect at 32
obtuse compass
😦
distant pelican
i dont think ive ever encountered the asterius miniboss room with fists
distant pelican
spectacular
lone bridge
i dont think ive ever encountered the asterius miniboss room with fists
i dont play fists and i also play modded so ill pretty much never get it
ill probably play it when i get to 2500 runs on my current save file
pseudo kernel
ill probably play it when i get to 2500 runs on my current save file
Get it and then it won't save so you will lose it
obtuse compass
you have to disable your miniboss option to even get gilgamesh in the first place
that's kinda funny tbh
lone bridge
Get it and then it won't save so you will lose it
i was meaning id then download the maxed file on src
mossy zinc
i mean buffering dashes is terrible lol i can't imagine a single time where buffering back to back dashes would be optimal
i always always delay
can confirm i mash dash on bow a good amount of the time
obtuse compass
nyaa on her way to paint me the bad guy for every interaction
pseudo kernel
also wdym have you played eris
Nah
distant pelican
based
obtuse compass
did you just spend the last 5 mins collecting replies on me
why am i so terrible to you nyaa
distant pelican
why am i so terrible to you nyaa
are you a catboy whyd you say that at the end
obtuse compass
cuz that's her handle
distant pelican
yeah well im a bit slow in the head if you havent caught on so i didnt realise at first
distant pelican
ayo
obtuse compass
distant pelican
im not a romancable npc turn it down a notch
mossy zinc
did you just spend the last 5 mins collecting replies on me
Idk what makes you think that took 5 minutes lol.
distant pelican
eris you just kinda wanna roll for delta
im so sorry for ever doubting you it's so good
lone bridge
lol classic
neat sonnet
generally people clearing 50+ know what they’re talking about would you look at that
mind blown
mossy zinc
/doubt
neat sonnet
fair honestly
lone bridge
generally people clearing 50+ know what they’re talking about would you look at ...
actually no we suck and just got really lucky
forest token
true
neat sonnet
o7
hexed sapphire
Fr
frozen spear
im so sorry for ever doubting you it's so good
holy based
corngrats on becoming an average delta enjoyer over an average clockets fan
pseudo kernel
Anvil into clockets smh
quartz mantle
Delta + hazard is the blessed combo
left prism
It needs eris for holy trinity
pseudo kernel
spread fire with point blank shot way better imo
or maybe spread fire with sniper shot
with distant memory
quartz mantle
Getting bow hammers on rail is huge brain
left prism
Sniper shot on hestia is gaming
quartz mantle
Triple Hestia tho
left prism
Rocket hades spear
quartz mantle
That’s basically exploding launcher
pseudo kernel
cluster rocket bomb charged volley
lone bridge
cluster rocket bomb charged volley
hazard clockets is better
sweet cypress
???? yall are forgetting about concentrated beam on beowulf???????
forest token
heck yeah buddy
is chaos worth taking at 50 or is it too risky
anyways died to tis lmao
maybe i should learn em4 lmao
hexed sapphire
Isn't slicing good against dc
lone bridge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1013150554312167434/...
omg not dc1 are you serious
dc2
frozen spear
is chaos worth taking at 50 or is it too risky
chaos is fine in tartarus
after that it's too risky on AP2 unless you're desperate for time
mossy zinc
I don't get the DC1 either, just do DC2 if you're going with Slicing Flare.
mossy zinc
Yeah, but nothing about Slicing Flare is standard.
frozen spear
but yeah I'd personally do DC2 HS0 but that's just me, other people would recommend JS2 I'm sure
mossy zinc
I was also thinking turn off HS.
frozen spear
yooo a fellow HS hater
pseudo kernel
hs should be forced by hell mode
mossy zinc
Not a hater exactly, just can't block all of the traps all of the time, so might as well do that and not have to worry about sudden death.
forest token
chaos is fine in tartarus
i ended up not taking chaos because arty was on the next door, so i figured maybe i could fish for mirage shot on ap2 because just get the boon
died anyways so didn't matter lol
frozen spear
epic
forest token
but yeah dc2 is probably a better idea
but i'd turn down JS instead of HS
because slicing flare takes too long to clear large rooms
esp with all the waves
mossy zinc
Just get better rooms.
forest token
true
frozen spear
JS2 beo 50 >:(
mossy zinc
I like chambers with no enemies inside.
frozen spear
surely even the biggest JS hater @lone bridge has to agree JS3 is on by default here
mossy zinc
Get more of those.
forest token
JS2 beo 50 >:(
if it wasn't slicing flare i'd do js3
but this is slicing flare lmao i was 5 seconds overtime when i died to tis
forest token
bro just dont get hit by a trap
lone bridge
surely even the biggest JS hater <@450317477717475329> has to agree JS3 is on by...
yeah
hs0
lone bridge
but this is slicing flare lmao i was 5 seconds overtime when i died to tis
just get better idk what to say
if youre having time problems though then yeah do js2 ig
also i think the em3 beo 50 should do cp2 instead of dc1 ngl
forest token
slicing flare is so bad that i'm restarting to get a hammer start lmao
lone bridge
if youre modded
forest token
Well I'm taking dc2 so whatever lmao
lone bridge
slicing flare is so bad that i'm restarting to get a hammer start lmao
fair enough
forest token
oh this is gonna be bad until i get slicing flare because of dc2 lmfao
lone bridge
forest token
well i died because i got grabbed and the sneak sniped me in tart
very cool
that wasn't even a slicing flare issue that was me being bad lmao
maybe this is a bad idea
forest token
bad build is funny tho
cobalt vault
theoretically
if you are grabbed
shouldnt any resulting damage count as trap damage and be increased by HS?
i mean you are literally trapped
so obviously
if you have HS and HL5 on
if you get grabbed during hades fight and then hades does a sweep
you should definetely take 400 damage
obviously
i just realised im in the wrong channel
cursive portal
what
forest token
I think she means like the wringers that grab you
But also getting potted and then lasered or swung at is just as bad if not worse lmao
quartz mantle
Reading that gave me pain
lone bridge
same
i mean it specifies that traps do more damage
not you take more damage when stunned
hexed sapphire
chiron time skull
pseudo kernel
shouldnt any resulting damage count as trap damage and be increased by HS?
Yes
lone bridge
ashen garnet
Just make it so you lose a defiance every time you step in a trap 
dapper schooner
Just make it so you lose a defiance every time you step in a trap <:zaggrin:1012...
i feel like thats too light on the player.
damage should overflow between defiances
so now dad can take 3 defiances with 1 cerberus
quiet mountain
september 3 entry
pseudo kernel
guys can you help me with 3 heat
quiet mountain
cp2 dc1
forest token
or lc3
quiet mountain
lcfree more like lol
hexed sapphire
Ri1 cp1
pseudo kernel
ok which weapon
quiet mountain
lvl 1 gy
jaunty falcon
weapons are for the weak
hexed sapphire
weapons are for the weak
I guess you are weak
ashen garnet
idk man just clear with your bare hands
solemn pulsar
Clear with my bear hands? 
forest token
That's just Gilgamesh
pseudo kernel
whats gilgamesh
quiet mountain
gilgish
chrome kite
Why does every hidden aspect have some glaring flaw except godma and lucifer
Luci may not be as good as eris/hestia but it doesn't have some abysmal weakness dropkicking you in the face the way the others do
chrome kite
Oh right beo is hidden
Rama isn't slow when you can just clear a room with nothing but special tbf
Ok so half the hidden aspects are awful
left prism
Rama isn't slow when you can just clear a room with nothing but special tbf
Slow as in charge sense
Not speed
mossy zinc
Beowulf has some abysmal weakness?
obtuse compass
like hell it does
mossy zinc
Blown Kiss.
obtuse compass
yeaaaah
left prism
Would've be funny if it worked
obtuse compass
blown kiss expanding the radius of the flare by 100%:
left prism
Extra AoE and undamaged foes dmg
obtuse compass
aphrodite stocks jump to infinity
mossy zinc
I like that thought.
I think they gave us a lot of the things we wanted for high heat balance even though we're a very small group of players, so I really can't complain too much tbh.
There's a lot of ways you can build Guan Yu that play very differently, even though only one of them is really viable for high heat.
But for the vast majority of players, that's just simply not an issue.
Excalibur I would say is by far the easiest aspect to get a clear with up to 25ish and then still one of the easiest for 32 Heat.
Most of the game is just simply balanced around that with a focus on providing unique experiences within the game.
left prism
Arthur is comfy
mossy zinc
Yeah until high heat with FO2 etc lol.
hexed sapphire
Arthur dedge is op
chrome kite
Slow as in charge sense
Yeah, you can get away with just special with some enemies that you don't want to actually full charge on
So you don't have to deal with the slowness until you can position yourself so the slow charge doesn't even matter
quartz mantle
Rama isn't slow when you can just clear a room with nothing but special tbf
Rama isn’t slow when you can clear a wave of enemies with a single attack
The hidden aspects are designed to be high skill ceiling
Slow but powerful if used properly
chrome kite
We were both talking about the actual animations of the weapon
hexed sapphire
Slow but powerful if used properly
True gilgamesh is really powerful
To be fair gilga is actually really high skill ceiling
quartz mantle
I think they overestimated how good Maim is