Armored skull rooms in tart on benefits package 2 is nasty
#h1-high-heat-strategies
hexed sapphire
errant oasis
*in Tart and Styx only
errant oasis
Armored skull rooms in tart on benefits package 2 is nasty
it’s one of the things you see and you go “oh the devs really thought they were comedians for this one”
hexed sapphire
Especially when it's the damage control one
hexed sapphire
Did you know that cloner savior doesn't actually exist
errant oasis
Mandela effect at it again
hexed sapphire
It's blacklisted
hexed sapphire
errant oasis
speeder cloner / speeder savior definitely exists
errant oasis
in fact I believe I have more than one screenshot of it existing and ruining my day
Also
quartz mantle
No I think they’re right
quartz mantle
The same way popper is Elysium specific
errant oasis
But popper being Elysium specific makes more sense
quartz mantle
And the lava pool one is asphodel exclusive
errant oasis
what lava pool one
hexed sapphire
enemies randomly spew lava pools
errant oasis
that’s a thing?
hexed sapphire
it's insane i always thought that that was part of the rooms
errant oasis
that sounds annoying as hell
hexed sapphire
but no it was the benefit package enemies
errant oasis
cloner witches suck
Ohhhh boy do I have opinions on witches
hexed sapphire
i remember in my very early high heat attempts just circle strafing around a room because there was a seeking witch in asphodel
errant oasis
but for the record
speeder seeker is by far the worst witch combo
I hate it I hate it I hate it
hexed sapphire
seeker on any witch variant = recipe for disaster
errant oasis
it’s fine on splitters
splitters are honestly the easiest witch variant for me
but that’s most likely because by Elysium I probably have divine dash
if not, heart rend
hexed sapphire
i walk into the big ball on high heat and get utterly destroyed by every single projectile entering my body at once
errant oasis
i walk into the big ball on high heat and get utterly destroyed by every single ...
Butterfly Ball????????
wait what weapon
mossy zinc
cloner witches suck
No, it's Puller that sucks you in.
errant oasis
oh ok I was gonna say
hexed sapphire
LOL
errant oasis
It’s still wild to me how free the Elysium mini bosses are
well, asterius isn’t free, but the reward for beating him is substantial
hexed sapphire
Just use modded to delete astwrius
errant oasis
I have a question: why is the clean kill crit bonus so low
mossy zinc
I mean, you get to fight him for 160% of his HP instead of 100%. That's not really a reward. 
errant oasis
I mean, you get to fight him for 160% of his HP instead of 100%. That's not real...
wait what
I don’t get it
oh
never mind I do
But without Theseus he’s wayyyyy easier to handle
I don’t have a maniac occasionally dealing 120 damage because he decided to fire arrows through the middle on a whim
mossy zinc
I have a question: why is the clean kill crit bonus so low
Lady Artemis is out in the woods with Calisto and has no time for your questions at this time.
errant oasis
I mean
Arty is awesome and all
But 200% to 222% ain’t exactly the greatest leap of all time
Especially compared to hide breaker
Which usually just turns on perma-heart rend for armor enemies
mossy zinc
Lady Artemis wants you to know that if you wish to file a complaint, shut up, we're on a hunt.
flat flicker
I have a question: why is the clean kill crit bonus so low
so you don't feel bad when you purge it for underworld customs
lone bridge
I love the cloner savior skull rooms while I play Chiron
lmao omg another one
they really do seem like they should exist
but they dont
errant oasis
Hm
It’s quite possible that one skull pile was forming cloners and the other saviors
both speeders
and then 20 other obligatory speeder puller numbskulls
lone bridge
i dont think its possible for the same enemy type to have 2 different sets of bp perks
robust drum
Which usually just turns on perma-heart rend for armor enemies
do you mean literal heart rend or just it's the same effect?
lone bridge
nah its possible
yep just never been seen before
lone bridge
do you mean literal heart rend or just it's the same effect?
it increases crit damage to armor by a lot
about the same amount as heart rend i think
robust drum
got it
pseudo kernel
proof hide breaker is just as good as heartrend
lone bridge
true
errant oasis
If you have hide breaker and are extremely good at bosses you just don’t need heart tend
mossy zinc
If you have Heartbreak Strike/Flourish, you don't need either. 
hexed sapphire
what if i want to use frost strike
half heart
I prefer universal crit increase than only for armour
cursive portal
If you have Heartbreak Strike/Flourish, you don't need either. <:dusa:5222487714...
mossy zinc
what if i want to use frost strike
lone bridge
what a cute grub from hollow knight
devout quiver
hexed sapphire
...so what's the antonym of "spoiled"?
i'm playing rama 50 and i'm feeling exactly that right now
after playing with so much garbage this is amazing
shy plinth
Unspoiled
mossy zinc
Starved could work.
Hades's son.
Another antonym for spoiled.
RidiculousHat is also an antonym for spoiled.
Mains Gilgamesh after all.
hexed sapphire
Starved could work.
ok yeah
shy plinth
shy plinth
Or a bow fight!
mossy zinc
A bow is a gun.
hexed sapphire
gy is INSANE
raw cloud
@lusty skiff
neat sonnet
if you’re strong enough it is
hoary pasture
You just gotta be a real gamer
robust drum
Where is the cutoff for "high heat" anyway
dapper schooner
I think for this channel it's 32 minimum
lone bridge
yeah its like 32+
mossy zinc
There's no official cut-off in the channel. The high heat leaderboard starts at 32 Heat, though.
shy plinth
Cutoff is a strong word and anyone's welcome to chat here or ask questions or etc, but the sheet does filter out submissions below 32 heat and generally strategies not effective at or above that level aren't going to get a lot of discussion here
And tbh at this point in the game's life, this channel is 10% how do I do my first 32 and 90% 50+ strats
And hoo boy is 50+ different from 32
lone bridge
yeah a lot of the time this channel is 50+ stuff but there is some stuff below that
robust drum
is 50+ considered fun or is it more about the challenge? looking at the conditions you need to have on to even do 32, it seems like the game becomes more of a chore. just making everything stronger while taking your options away doesn't sound like fun to me.
like AP and the one that takes away the last two talents just make your build almost entirely random outside of keepsakes and resets right?
not to disparage people who do find it fun. I"m more asking why is it fun, maybe if I understand that it will become more appealing.
pseudo kernel
i do it mainly to feed my massive ego
frozen spear
is 50+ considered fun or is it more about the challenge? looking at the conditio...
it is fun within a reasonable degree, especially with modded making skill a lot more relevant
shy plinth
Also once you normalize playing at 32 or whatever then playing without challenge isn't all that fun either
Like it's not bad but the line of achievable challenge is the place where you wanna live
And there are some very very good players in here who find that line at 50
lone bridge
^^ playing at low heats just isnt really fun anymore unless im totally memeing
frozen spear
that's why I think darkness farming isn't a good idea, it's far too monotonous and not challenging
lone bridge
i get all my darkness from playing at 9 heat
left prism
I personally did 50 cuz i tried it once and thought "yeah this is doable for me"
And just kept trying
robust drum
do you have more control than i think? or do you just not use AP or that other one?
lone bridge
50 heat lucifer was some of the most fun i think ive ever had playing this game and it was on ap1 ri1
shy plinth
The control is over your inputs
frozen spear
well at 50 heat the game isn't so difficult that you can't make it work with most of what AP RI throws at you
lone bridge
well at 50 heat the game isn't so difficult that you can't make it work with mos...
^^^
left prism
Retrash is built different tbf
lone bridge
retrash runs are works of art
frozen spear
I personally did 50 cuz i tried it once and thought "yeah this is doable for me"
that's another part of it for me
shy plinth
My favorite game to play with retrash runs is screenshotting the core boons and saying "guess the aspect for this 50 clear"
frozen spear
if I know it's possible within a reasonable amount of grinding I get completely fixated
shy plinth
lone bridge
My favorite game to play with retrash runs is screenshotting the core boons and ...
lets play
left prism
But at the same time i really say modded helped me a lot
shy plinth
Guess this one
forest token
not to disparage people who do find it fun. I"m more asking why is it fun, maybe...
32, 40, or 50 heat, once you set a goal of doing it, it can be fun to strive towards a goal
left prism
Ik i would get frustrated unmodded 
lone bridge
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/fBf0Tn4lO5FnknrdF7XBinEUa00UTbK0UFs...
uh... poseidon?
forest token
rama
shy plinth
Nope
left prism
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/fBf0Tn4lO5FnknrdF7XBinEUa00UTbK0UFs...
Some fists?
forest token
beo
shy plinth
Warmer
forest token
oh
pseudo kernel
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/fBf0Tn4lO5FnknrdF7XBinEUa00UTbK0UFs...
chaos
forest token
talos
frozen spear
wtf
lone bridge
what
shy plinth
Retrash, man
forest token
what the hell
lone bridge
actual gamer wtf
left prism
Where is the dmg
shy plinth
In these hands
pseudo kernel
talos best castspect
jaunty falcon
The damage is dio aid
lone bridge
that is beautiful wtf how
robust drum
32, 40, or 50 heat, once you set a goal of doing it, it can be fun to strive tow...
oh i definitely get that. that's why i like the slow climb of one heat per weapon at a time. hopefully by the time i get to 32 or higher it won't feel as overwhelming as i thought it might. but the goal is longish so it's satisfying
jaunty falcon
I’d bet there’s a support fire too
frozen spear
aspect of dio call is straight up a high heat thing
shy plinth
Here's the dad fight
frozen spear
change my mind
shy plinth
That is a 51 talos with no core attack or special and he did not pop defiance until phase 3
pseudo kernel
lone bridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcsXqC3UQ4&t=1972s
im 5 seconds in
pseudo kernel
ok now guess this one
lone bridge
and this looks impossibly good
frozen spear
lucy
shy plinth
YEP
robust drum
aspect of dio call is straight up a high heat thing
i've used it but i bet high heat players are much more comfortable just hanging out close to mobs long enough to get the whole thing than low heat
forest token
tempest strike based
pseudo kernel
no
lone bridge
oh
frozen spear
:(
jaunty falcon
Hades spear
pseudo kernel
no
shy plinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1007739322662924338/un...
Zag bow?
pseudo kernel
no
jaunty falcon
Beo
pseudo kernel
no
left prism
Is this the zag sword one
pseudo kernel
no
robust drum
is tooth a normal high heat strat?
frozen spear
chiron
jaunty falcon
Yeah
lone bridge
yeah for em4
pseudo kernel
Is this the zag sword one
this one is close
left prism
Safety tooth is a thing
jaunty falcon
Arthur
pseudo kernel
no
shy plinth
Nemesis???
pseudo kernel
yes
lone bridge
im not convinced tooth is better than acorn but retrash takes it so
jaunty falcon
Bruh
pseudo kernel
with cursed slash
shy plinth
Looooooooool
lone bridge
WHAT
frozen spear
bruh
lone bridge
HOW
pseudo kernel
robust drum
i tried LQ4 and i only made it to elysium after winning 99% of the last 20 or so runs
lone bridge
jesus christ
frozen spear
jesus christ
left prism
Ah yeah the cursed slash tempest strike one
frozen spear
jinx
shy plinth
CURSED SLASH TEMPEST STRIKE NEMESIS
frozen spear
that's actually insane
left prism
Post the dash nova one
shy plinth
Seriously this is my favorite game
forest token
oh i definitely get that. that's why i like the slow climb of one heat per weapo...
1 heat at a time is gonna take a long time but whatever works for you lol
obv won't feel overwhelming once you hit 32 but to each their own
shy plinth
oh i definitely get that. that's why i like the slow climb of one heat per weapo...
This is what I did and now 32 is the normal heat I play on
It feels really different once you're used to it
shy plinth
It's hard to go back down to fo0
forest token
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845087923779141682/1007739913439019128/un...
chaos
pseudo kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845087923779141682/1007739913439019128/un...
hades
lone bridge
no no
robust drum
1 heat at a time is gonna take a *long* time but whatever works for you lol
obv ...
i'm not in any particular rush
jaunty falcon
Luci
lone bridge
nope
shy plinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845087923779141682/1007739913439019128/un...
This is gonna be something dumb like... eris
pseudo kernel
gilgamesh
forest token
eris
robust drum
the longer this fixation is entertaining the better imo
lone bridge
This is gonna be something dumb like... eris
actually a really good eris build but not eris
pseudo kernel
hestia
shy plinth
It is a good eris build, the dumb part would be getting that on ap2
lone bridge
It is a good eris build, the dumb part would be getting that on ap2
true
robust drum
demeter?
forest token
arthur?
lone bridge
nope
shy plinth
Zag spear
pseudo kernel
guan yu
jaunty falcon
Chiron
left prism
Is ot a bow?
pseudo kernel
LETS GOOOOOO
lone bridge
its guan yu lmao
pseudo kernel
wait wtf
robust drum
spin?
jaunty falcon
Hydrogen
left prism
Makes sense
jaunty falcon
Helium
pseudo kernel
shy plinth
Aph special on gy not bad
lone bridge
drunken strike
pseudo kernel
do this one
jaunty falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1007739997660643329/un...
Chaos
shy plinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1007739997660643329/un...
Zeus
jaunty falcon
Rama
lone bridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1007739997660643329/un...
zag bow
left prism
Mistral dash
pseudo kernel
no
forest token
beo
shy plinth
Wait is this gilga
pseudo kernel
no
lone bridge
meme beams achilles
left prism
Is this fists again
shy plinth
Hestia?
pseudo kernel
no
forest token
hera
pseudo kernel
no
shy plinth
Poseidon
pseudo kernel
no
robust drum
arthur
shy plinth
Demeter
lone bridge
nem?
shy plinth
Hades?
pseudo kernel
no
shy plinth
What's even left lol, chiron?
pseudo kernel
nah
left prism
Zag rail?
pseudo kernel
yes
forest token
lowkey based rail build
shy plinth
The classic mistral dash aphrodite attack zag rail
robust drum
but why
shy plinth
Hahahaha
forest token
homie is just build different
shy plinth
He had tooth DD left at the victory screen
robust drum
he just likes doing damage in awkward ways?
shy plinth
I mean it's ap2 em4
left prism
Ap2 moment
shy plinth
He likes doing what the game gives him
robust drum
oh
left prism
Retrash just wings it with whatever it appears
robust drum
ok i'm starting to see the appeal i do love pure roguelikes
left prism
Thats why he's built different
lone bridge
jaunty falcon
Eris
lone bridge
no
robust drum
wait why do you al lthink i'm psycho for doing mompom starts for variety but ap2 is just -shrug-
jaunty falcon
Hesty
lone bridge
no
pseudo kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007741097612689429/...
zeus
jaunty falcon
Arthur
shy plinth
wait why do you al lthink i'm psycho for doing mompom starts for variety but ap2...
Mom pom is bad and ap2 is not exactly shrug, it's just what you do at high heat 50+
lone bridge
nope
pseudo kernel
hera
lone bridge
nope
pseudo kernel
is this charged volley zagbow
robust drum
Mom pom is bad and ap2 is not exactly shrug, it's just what you do at high heat ...
i mean not starting with a god keepsake in general just to sort of experience what happens.
lone bridge
is this charged volley zagbow
lmao thatd be funny, no
left prism
wait why do you al lthink i'm psycho for doing mompom starts for variety but ap2...
Cuz at low hest you still have plenty of control
lone bridge
no, you kinda just take ap because the other options are worse
left prism
Once ap/ri starts in play you suffer
shy plinth
Yeah you're just turning up the heat without getting the number
And nobody LOVES ap
You just need the number
left prism
Ap is also emotional dmg
forest token
you can also reset the start until you get what you want with ap lol
left prism
shy plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007741097612689429/...
Lucy?
forest token
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007741097612689429/...
achilles
lone bridge
nah
left prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007741097612689429/...
A sword?
pseudo kernel
zag fists
lone bridge
close
pseudo kernel
demeter
lone bridge
no
pseudo kernel
talos
forest token
please not talos again
robust drum
Yeah you're just turning up the heat without getting the number
it wasn't about difficulty it was about variety but the more i play the more i see how even with the keepsakes you don't have THAT much control
lone bridge
o
robust drum
so i started using them more
lone bridge
this here is the aspect of gilgamesh
shy plinth
forest token
blade dash gaming
left prism
...i can see it lmao
pseudo kernel
gilg
forest token
blade dash gilga actually based tho
robust drum
i can see AP kind of being fun though. it sort of captures that gungeon/isaac feel of just finding what you find and figuring it out
left prism
% boons dont affevt maim pretty sure
lone bridge
wait is maim affected by special+%?
gaunt fiber
Claw good low energy cost
pseudo kernel
wait is maim affected by special+%?
dont think so
shy plinth
wait is maim affected by special+%?
Nah
lone bridge
didnt think so
shy plinth
I mean fat special damage
lone bridge
oh
shy plinth
But you gotta include the maim
lone bridge
yeah lmao
shy plinth
Otherwise it feels left out
left prism
i can see AP kind of being fun though. it sort of captures that gungeon/isaac fe...
Thats why i dislike those 2 lmao, so many things to look for and nothing appears
forest token
it wasn't about difficulty it was about variety but the more i play the more i s...
god keepsakes just guarantees you 2 gods (assuming you do the typical gods keepsakes until ely) and you still have to pray you get the duo you want and good supporting god rng but that's just roguelikes really, you have to work with what you're handed
sometimes you get athena and ares in tart, force the other god in aspho but don't see ME until like styx
and then other runs you get a chamber 5 ME
pseudo kernel
gilg
forest token
and then you're just aight cool
robust drum
the runs that are won before tart is over are fun but also meh
jaunty falcon
Lernie sword moment
forest token
get MEed
lone bridge
I paid the tax <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
how much did you pay
robust drum
I had an ME run where i found ME in tart but only common doom so i purged it and didn't find another doom until styx
was not great
forest token
was it still common lol
robust drum
rare XD
left prism
how much did you pay
"Welcome to the house of hades!"
forest token
lmfao based
lone bridge
"Welcome to the house of hades!"
oh
left prism
I also lost 32 talos earlier
robust drum
lmfao based
i felt like i got what i deserved. got too greedy
left prism
Died to dad
forest token
i felt like i got what i deserved. got too greedy
when it comes to rarities you just work with what you're given and cry if you get common doom/aphro
forest token
based
lone bridge
not a bad idea tbh
robust drum
yeah that doesn't sound entirely heinous
forest token
just make eurydice hit the boon
quit the game until she gives you what you want lol
left prism
Ngl i've done that for funny heroic hermes
forest token
does that work?
i'm fairly certain it works with eury, with anvil i'm less confident about
but tbh neither of those gambles are worth it lmao
forest token
now get mirage
lone bridge
<@450317477717475329> thoughts on my cheat engine build
ok wtf how do you keep getting this on ap2
you are definitely cheating
hexed sapphire
this is first try LOL
forest token
the ap2 is photoshopped in clearly
left prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550473367635886112/1007756173572845718/...
Hope it doesnt trigger tiny flare
lone bridge
oh wait it will
hexed sapphire
oh 🙁
lone bridge
LMAO
forest token
f
hexed sapphire
i forgot
lone bridge
tiny flare gaming
hexed sapphire
i hate beowulf now
forest token
it's alright size doesn't matter
lone bridge
this is why you dont take rare crop
hexed sapphire
well i ap2'd into it and was not about to spend a roll
vague patio
I managed to finish 29 heat with rama - HL5 LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, TD2 after many many deaths at 32. I tried FO, TD3, JS + DC2 for last 3 heat. So tough
forest token
Td2 is 3 heat and will get you to 32
vague patio
the 5 minute one? is that td2?
I can't get it out of tart under 5 minutes, and with the special build I can't kill hades in 20
forest token
Td2 is 7
vague patio
I'm already on td2 then
forest token
Ah didn't see that
Fo is probably the easiest one tbh
But takes time getting used to
hoary pasture
TD3 is the easiest one, you just have to practice that
Or learn to play Rama
The Special build can lack so much if you don’t get the right things
And it’s mostly a meme
vague patio
the rama builds I go farthest with are special centered (zeus or dio), but takes too much time
frozen spear
special only rama is unaruably
maybe try starting with your preferred special then looking for a decent attack
forest token
Oh I just realized you said special only yeah that would explain why TD is an issue
vague patio
unaruably?
shy plinth
To push heat you need to both have good defensive movement and good damage output and special only rama doesn't do much on the damage output
Weaving in an attack doesn't take long and does a ton if you're already mashing special
lone bridge
unaruably?
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
pseudo kernel
Facts
shy plinth
That is quite the copypasta
vague patio
haha
I've really appreciated the way special rama can shoot through pillars against hades
shy plinth
So @vague patio I'd recommend watching tailesque vods
vague patio
maybe EM4 is the answer
shy plinth
That was how I cleaned up my Rama play
It is not
Do not think your life will be easier with EM4 enabled
It's more about maximizing the damage output and figuring out where you're leaving time on the table
Also wait, you said bp1 - why not bp2?
shy plinth
Is it?
I mean that pact can go any number of ways sure
Awful seems like a pretty harsh judgment tho
I'm not a huge fan but I'd pick it over CF2
Buying stuff rules
frozen spear
the issue with BP2 is it can give you literally impossible chambers sometimes
you just have to trudge through that fact at high heat
lone bridge
yeah but its not as bad at 32 as it is at 50
frozen spear
true
left prism
Also this is rama
lone bridge
i dont think there are any impossible chambers at 32
left prism
It can handle a lot of things pretty well
vague patio
there are plenty of impossible chambers for me at 32 =p
shy plinth
Like I said - Tailesque vids
They were really really helpful for me when I didn't know how to Rama
His movement is incredibly clean and you get the idea of how to mark a room and use like two attacks to clear it
vague patio
sounds good, I'll look into it
yeah one thing I noticed when I watched a vod was using cast to up damage
which made a big difference
shy plinth
forest token
Wait unseeded tf how are people this good
shy plinth
This channel has some Gamers
hoary pasture
This is one of the most iconic clears of all time
forest token
Games with a capital G, different than "gamers"
vague patio
appreciate the advice
hoary pasture
Dude just kept going at it then got bored
frozen spear
that video inspired me to try rama 50 modded
hoary pasture
And picked up mh instead
frozen spear
I failed
lone bridge
Unseeded unmodded 60 in December '20
what the hell
shy plinth
Dude just kept going at it then got bored
I mean the guy cleared 153 heat pretty early, can't ask for much more from a game
shy plinth
left prism
Old pact was wild
lone bridge
what did the original pact look like
hexed sapphire
Early hades looks so weirdd
lone bridge
and why are things just randomly critting lmao
wow this is so strange looking
bombers are in MM doomstone arena lmao
hoary pasture
I remember they used to be wavemakers instead
lone bridge
ok time to try to ap2 into a % special boon and divine dash
hexed sapphire
ok time to try to ap2 into a % special boon and divine dash
i give you my blessing 👍
lone bridge
yo i almost won another 50 luci first try with no ddash or patty lmao
this is going to be easy
ap2ed into rare aphro special lmao
and rare jolted wtf
hexed sapphire
forest token
lmfao "get the boon™️" moment
lone bridge
what aspect is that?
hexed sapphire
NEMESIS
lone bridge
does ap2 even exist for you
hexed sapphire
i also have rare hermes dashes btw
hexed sapphire
did my blessign work
hexed sapphire
lol i took urge just for purging pool fodder
lone bridge
hyper sprint hermes coming right up i bet
side hustle
forest token
same thing
lone bridge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/484172311910547485/1007872853443616798/...
this is insane lmao
hexed sapphire
why can't i get a build like this on aspect of hades ☹️
hexed sapphire
are those the orange dudes
lone bridge
LMAO
hexed sapphire
paying the tax now i guess
forest token
that's what you get lmao
hexed sapphire
why is flurry slash a downgrade again
forest token
i mean you're dash striking anyways it's just not a useful hammer
hexed sapphire
yeah but i heard it was a downgrade
forest token
oh in that case not sure why then
frozen spear
why is flurry slash a downgrade again
something about iframes
lone bridge
yeah
hexed sapphire
oh who cares
lone bridge
bruh
hexed sapphire
for 50 heat standards i'm slaying 💪😎
hexed sapphire
lets see if i get hunting
lone bridge
yeah
they are actually an awfully designed enemy ngl
like dracons are just annoying
but speeder wavemakers can be literally impossible to kill in some scenarios
and thats only one bp perk
hexed sapphire
i hope you do get hunting blades to piss off everyone
rip i had to sell slicing
forest token
damn
well you know what they say
just get it in styx
and piss them off even more
lone bridge
i hate when the game is giving you really good enemies and then on the second wave its like "oh yeah do you want a side of speeder slugger chariots with that?"
C34 PATTY
WEIGUWEUHIF
hexed sapphire
just a c34 patty away
forest token
you sound like you're having a great time
lone bridge
nah the real problem is that im going into champs at 13:30
wish me luck in a fast kill lmao
lone bridge
you sound like you're having a great time
yean lucifer is a really fun aspect
hexed sapphire
hmmm what's the strat for zagsword 50
lone bridge
im actually about to die to timer
i hate this game
BRUH
I WAS ONE TRIPLE BOMB AWAY
FFS
this game sucks ass
wtf
i actually hate that so much
that was about to be first try 53 lmao
i was about to say that i was never getting that build again but it wasnt even that good lmao
lone bridge
well actually level 4 rare aphro special is good
hexed sapphire
what's even the best 2nd hammer on lucy
lone bridge
That is a good boon
damn really?
lone bridge
what's even the best 2nd hammer on lucy
probably targeting
triple beam and piercing are good though
shy plinth
damn really?
I'm a fan myself
hexed sapphire
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007879191271833781/...
looks like ur missing smoldering air and splitting bolt
try harder next time!
lone bridge
i am so pissed right now
lol ap2ed into divine dash
now i just need a special boon
mossy zinc
why is flurry slash a downgrade again
Because you can't do a Dash-Attack without getting a normal slash immediately after, and you can't do normal slash into empty dash because it becomes a Dash-Attack.
half heart
But isn't having doing so quick slashes increases dps?
forest token
It's not great for sword especially at higher heat levels
Fully utilizing flurry slash to it's potential requires you to stand still and that's generally not something you want to do on high heat
Having it screw up your dash attack is a big deal because you want those iframes
half heart
Don't dash-strikes in general have less i-frames anyway compared to normal dashes?
forest token
You're not always dash striking tho
Sometimes you want empty dashes for the iframes
But yes you are right
half heart
Sometimes I mix single or two slashes in between dashes
lone bridge
lmao
"just get the boon you werent even going for"
this game is awesome
@hexed sapphire thank you for your luck
jaunty falcon
Oh god
forest token
just get the boon™️
jaunty falcon
If you don’t win now I’ll be very disappointed
lone bridge
If you don’t win now I’ll be very disappointed
same
lone bridge
yeah i was actually hoping for special/dash from athena but thats what i got lmao
pseudo kernel
Discord curse boutta slap you
lone bridge
nah
forest token
speeder wave makers incoming
neat sonnet
better see a victory screenshot
lone bridge
KHUJVBEwstHUIOZLERLTBNIGHJ i was being an idiot and dashed over lava and died lmao
lone bridge
id prefer a special boon over splitting bolt any day of the week though
it was just really funny lmao
hexed sapphire
If you don’t win now I’ll be very disappointed
I guess you'll be disappointed
next acorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1008071040678776852/...
free heat
pseudo kernel
KHUJVBEwstHUIOZLERLTBNIGHJ i was being an idiot and dashed over lava and died lm...
this is what you get
next acorn
I think it is sadly time to retire pride dusa
pseudo kernel
i havent changed my pfp in seven years
next acorn
lone bridge
this is what you get
it is tbh
cant just ignore ap2
for the record i walked into that room that i died in with 20 hp and there were speeder seeker witches
pseudo kernel
Yeah discord curse moment
lone bridge
yeah
ashen garnet
Never Discord over an AP2 Splitting seed 
lone bridge
okok i get it
jaunty falcon
I guess you'll be disappointed
I am
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1008071040678776852/...
This strategy of "omg look at my awesome run, there's no way I am gonna lose this" hasn't worked since Early Access.
The curse is real.
Take it from an OG.
Don't temp the gods.
Only Baj has shown immunity somehow.
I guess he's the chosen one. 
neat sonnet
baj was always the chosen one
mossy zinc
I still remember little baby Baj taking his first high heat steps, with a Blitz Disc he loved but that was far too big for him.
It's kind of funny how we all knew Zeus Aspect had a lot of potential but didn't really care to learn how to play it, and then there was Baj who didn't want to play anything else lol.
cursive portal
hmmmm
jaunty falcon
Flat damage soup
ripe ermine
Flat damage soup is what ended working for me
jaunty falcon
Just get shoals and jolt
ripe ermine
Splash Dash start, pray for more
pseudo kernel
i think flat damage soup is good
jaunty falcon
Honestly doom attack probably quite good too
pseudo kernel
go for ME
ripe ermine
If I were doing it again I’d start Zeus. Shreds DC and Jolted kinda everything
Tbh the generic 50 Heat recipe is start Zeus, roll for Jolted in a miniboss or trial in Tart, have Eurydice hit it with Poms, don’t die.
ripe ermine
2% of the time it works every time
lone bridge
Flat damage soup
flat damage soup 
hexed sapphire
Today on my latest and greatest gameshow:
Which boon did I roll into while having Approval Process 2 on?
The aspect of the day is Aspect of Zagreus sword
forest token
smair
hexed sapphire
bruh
forest token
you're the literal living definition of "get the boons™️"
lone bridge
cant wait for your luck to start running out and then you ap2 into attack replaces even after rerolling twice
hexed sapphire
yeah just get the boons
hexed sapphire
cant wait for your luck to start running out and then you ap2 into attack replac...
time to do every fists 50 before my luck runs out
lone bridge
lmao
forest token
go for ME
forest token
do it
hexed sapphire
simply ap2 into ME in asphodel
forest token
as one does
frozen spear
ok wtf
raw cloud
JUST GET THE BOONS
always works
forest token
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/484172311910547485/1008261454388011139/...
HAHAHHAHA
CHAMBER 8 TOO
lone bridge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/484172311910547485/1008261454388011139/...
i hate you so much
nocturne stag
Just get the boons but more and faster
ashen garnet
this thing sucks
ZagSword good, movespeed good. Highly recommend slapping World Splitter hammer and Aphro attack on it
hoary pasture
and rr
mossy zinc
cant wait for your luck to start running out and then you ap2 into attack replac...
That's when you get the win, though. 
lone bridge
That's when you get the win, though. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
not when its an athena attack replace on luci 
rigid tundra
what do you guys think is the hardest 32 setup?
jaunty falcon
RI4 EM4 shenanigans
frozen spear
I was given the challenge RI4 LC4 EM4 TD3 CP2 JS2
frozen spear
but those both sound like murder
yeah it sucked but I managed with dem hestia + stubborn roots
neat sonnet
makes sense lol
lone bridge
ri4 lc4 em4 fo2 hl3 td1
@frozen spear try this one
frozen spear
unfortunately that would be way easier
doesn't matter how fast enemies are, demstia can always put turtle them
I'll try it though
lone bridge
you could do hl4 ap2 instead but i feel like that would be easier
frozen spear
well you'd have to learn how to mirrorless which would be rough for me I imagine
since no more stubborn
lone bridge
easier dad fight though
frozen spear
ultimately I think hardest 32 will always need to have TD3
lone bridge
hm
maybe
what if no em4?
since that takes up a lot of heat for just the one bossfight to be really hard
you could then do fo2 hl5 ap2 and thatd be 28
but yeah i think thatd be easier actually
pseudo kernel
Maybe you should do it unmodded for a real challenge
lone bridge
just reset for epic dem attack and hazard ez wdym
certainly then it would become the most annoying 32 pact
forest token
with guan yu 32 heat, would i rather see athena or poseidon
i was thinking poseidon for tdash and open up their duo for better poms (i'm in tart so it'll go a long way) but i'm also pretty ass with gy so i was also considering ddash
forest token
i knew you were gonna do the meme lmao
can't really tell if you're serious about the ddash thing or not lol
mossy zinc
i was thinking poseidon for tdash and open up their duo for better poms (i'm in ...
Divine Dash.
forest token
too late i already did the run and took tdash because i thought he was memeing earlier lmao
didn't even get the duo either but oh well run's completed
obtuse compass
where do i go from 32 to 40? not sure what to do... i've ran both em2 and em3 versions of 32. this new heat is gonna feel pretty bad. would like an easy introduction to the hotter half of the punishment
forest token
hl5, lc4, cf2, js2, em3, bp2, mm, uc, hs, td3
obtuse compass
cf2?? augh 😭
forest token
that's what i did for beo, not much areas you can throw heat into unless you want to do em4
forest token
cf2?? augh 😭
could do ap
shy plinth
DC on some aspects
obtuse compass
i would rather do ap
nah i'm running hera dc is not fun
doable? maybe, but not on td3
forest token
doable? maybe, but not on td3
just more practice
obtuse compass
it is not ideal
shy plinth
Not that either is great
mossy zinc
Sure.
forest token
no lmfao
obtuse compass
not for me it ain't
maybe when i start crushing 50 i can do that
but for now that sounds like an exercise in not throwing my controller at the wall
forest token
oh i forgot to mention fo2 when i did the pact earlier
forest token
if i were you tho, i'd get used to em3 and td3 (with fo2 ofc) because that's what you seem to be struggling with in your 32 heat runs
mossy zinc
There's a lot of things you can do at 40 though that will be easier than taking Hera.
obtuse compass
i would have died to the timer last run on td3
forest token
oh actually true lmao
obtuse compass
also knowing that my rng was quite poor makes me think i could do it with some luck
shy plinth
I can assure you that the 15% health you gave to all the enemies slowed you down
obtuse compass
is cp1 really that impactful?? i literally do not notice it (if my cast is highroll enough)
shy plinth
Yes
obtuse compass
but last run it was quite weak all things considered so i did notice going quite slow
maybe swap cp with something...
mossy zinc
Especially on Hera, changing breakpoints hurts a lot because you want to one-shot everything.
forest token
maybe swap cp with something...
td3 can take off a good chunk of heat for 32
shy plinth
So you had to do an extra 5100 damage
obtuse compass
Especially on Hera, changing breakpoints hurts a lot because you want to one-sho...
i'll give you that that's certainly true
and i was not doing that last run
not very much, anyway
shy plinth
5100 damage for one single fight plus every other chamber in the run
It's incredibly impactful
A frequent error I see people make when they push heat is they add a bunch of pacts that slow themselves down and then feel overwhelmed by td3
JS1 CP1 really hurts
obtuse compass
well alright then. i think i'm going to try to squeeze td3, em3, fo2 in and knock js1 and cp1. that should work... i think
let me load up rq
mossy zinc
The fights are also just harder, not just slower, with more and tankier enemies.
forest token
oh you were running js and cp yeah you're definitely gonna be able to do td3
shy plinth
I think for first time clears people are generally more successful with HL5 CF2 FO0
But since you're already used to FO2, try that pact out
obtuse compass
there's no way js1 and cp1 are going to make this much of a difference that y'all claim it will 
i don't believe it myself but only one way to find out
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.
In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.
So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.
shy plinth
You would've cleared the last run at a TD3 pace if you were 51 seconds faster
JS1 adds more waves of enemies and CP1 gives everything including bosses an extra 15%
mossy zinc
there's no way js1 and cp1 are going to make this much of a difference that y'al...
JS and CP are part of the reason Hera sucks at high heat.
obtuse compass
with td3 and em3 i can knock cp1 and js1 with a point left. think i'll take off from hl5 to try to soften the blows
shy plinth
You can do BP2 and go down to HL1
obtuse compass
ehhhhh bp2... nooooouuurrr i hate saviors let alone two chances for something to become a savior
mossy zinc
You would've cleared the last run at a TD3 pace if you were 51 seconds faster
I would call 20:51 a TD3 pace already tbh.
obtuse compass
time is my enemy rn. i think i should leave it as it is because bp2 might push me a bit too much rn
shy plinth
HL4 FO2 isn't exactly easy
Your enemy is your pact, not your time
You're faster than you think you are and don't realize how much you stacked the deck against yourself with more tanky enemies and a single target weapon
forest token
bp2 can suck at times, esp with certain enemies but imo it's better this way so bosses/enemies don't hit as hard
mossy zinc
Your clear time was perfectly good enough for TD3.
obtuse compass
yeah, i figure. i think for first run i'll do HL4, LC4, EM3, BP1, MM, UC, FO2, TD3 and then i'll do what you guys said and BP2 -> HL1 or something and see which is more manageable for me
forest token
also a touch of styx, idk if it was dark or from a well
obtuse compass
subject to change with how many hearts i get. but i know it's completely doable from me
obtuse compass
also a touch of styx, idk if it was dark or from a well
fun fact i had both. not for dad tho
patroclus come in clutch again
shy plinth
Right, so that was a TD3 clear
The timer would have ticked, you would have survived the damage, and you would've cleared with td3
You have already done it
Now we just make it easier
obtuse compass
mmm easier hera mmm i love one shotting every enemy in the game mm
forest token
simply get epic cast lol
obtuse compass
i scuffed cast last run
chaos made up for it
but like i said, triple shot does funny things to controller autoaim. almost shut it off lmao
mossy zinc
yeah, i figure. i think for first run i'll do HL4, LC4, EM3, BP1, MM, UC, FO2, T...
Why is taking BP2 to reduce HL to 1 a choice? They should both be maxed at 40.
forest token
that's a 32 pact
mossy zinc
Just do 40 if you wanna learn 40.
obtuse compass
i don't wanna learn 40. i wanna learn to get good at 32 before advancing
rn i'm scraping, in a sense. would like be more consistent
mossy zinc
You'll be more consistent at 32 when you play at 40.
forest token
i mean you're scraping because of a bad pact lol
obtuse compass
shy plinth
I mean at this point it's more of a confidence thing than an ability thing
Nothing wrong with doing some 32s
mossy zinc
I'd argue that playing at 40 will get you to the point where you can do 32 consistently much faster.
shy plinth
If you're in the headspace to push challenge like that, sure
obtuse compass
i mean you're talking to the dude that had an obsession with zero heat until a week ago. y'all know i like to take things slow lol
forest token
also lowkey, trying to speedrun with the weapon you want to take up heat with will make you much better at td, fo, and aiming
obtuse compass
i plagued #h1-discussion with the most aborrent opinions about every boon in the game because i simply ran from a different perspective and didn't understand heat very well
i'm seriously considering removing autoaim rn tbh cuz it's not doing what i want it to anymore. snapping to the wrong targets and such
forest token
how does aim with controller work without autoaim lol
mossy zinc
Speedrun practicing helps a lot, yeah.
forest token
yeah i went from scraping by 32 heat beo to an easy 32 heat clear a while later
mossy zinc
Don't turn off auto-aim on Hera.
@obtuse compass what's your best clear time with Hera?
obtuse compass
yesterday i ran only fo2 and td3 and got 13:xx
think lower 13
but i could have shaved a min or two off i believe
forest token
wait your first 32 heat hera clear was like 19 minutes with JS and CP lmfao
forest token
with em2 and td2
forest token
to be fair it was twin flurry so that did cut down a lot of time compared to your latest 32 hera but still
mossy zinc
Idk about 3 minutes, but it saves time yeah.
obtuse compass
tartarus 3:14, chaos would be proud
forest token
speed moment
mossy zinc
When you speedrun Hera too much, you start to look at everything that's not on sub 7 or at the very least sub 8 pace as total garbage, why did my room RNG suck so much, urgh just end me now. 
obtuse compass
wow! you read my mind!!
6m asphodel is NOT ENOUGH i need to INSTAPHASE ENTIRE REGIONS
mossy zinc
Your Tartarus time is when I want to exit Asphodel lol.
obtuse compass
cut the kid some slack i've only been doing heat for a week lmao
actually it was when noob posted his 32 clear
when was that, i wonder...
mossy zinc
I just think it's funny how our standards are so different, not making fun of your times.
If that makes sense.
obtuse compass
our standards are not different sadly
i suffer from impostor syndrome and unrealistic expectations!
mossy zinc
Same.
forest token
Tooth acorn or hourglass if the well is good
mossy zinc
I'd just grab Hourglass on Hera tbh.
forest token
I like hourglass if you're confident on the em3 fight
That way you can buy the well before styx
mossy zinc
There's also plenty of wells before that.
And there's gonna be plenty of good stuff to buy.
obtuse compass
is that what ppl rly do? i always thought that was a cheeky little "haha look how funny"
forest token
Yeah, those are always nice if you find something good like atk damage or cast stuff
Oh hourglass is amazing lol
mossy zinc
Yeah, especially on a Cast aspect.
obtuse compass
so god -> god -> hourglass -> sigil or acorn? is that what ppl run?
forest token
Buying touch of Styx with hourglass right before asphodel makes it last all the way to dad if you get a 2 sack
mossy zinc
Not Sigil, no.
obtuse compass
i thought i heard somewhere that sigil was common to take to dad