h1-high-heat-strategies

[summer basin]

discord gave me a language warning what did i say 😭

[lone bridge]

a swear word

[pseudo kernel]

you said a bad boy word

you cant swear in this server

[lone bridge]

no potty words

[pseudo kernel]

you will get sent to the time out corner

[summer basin]

as I was saying i just got past the hydra thing and then got destroyed at the end of elysium so I was wondering if like bow/spear would be better?

yea idk what counts as a swear i guess lol

[lone bridge]

yeah fists arent great for em3

melee weapons are hard on high heat because you have to be close to enemies but they can work

[forest token]

my method for using fists on em3 was to get ME right before the champs fight and go guns blazing right into the bull

[lone bridge]

you just have to remember to empty dash when dodging attacks

[summer basin]

wait whats ME

[forest token]

merciful end

[lone bridge]

merciful end

[summer basin]

ooooooh gotcha

[lone bridge]

mercifule nd

mercif ulend

[pseudo kernel]

maoeilrdaoeuh end

[forest token]

damn lmao

[lone bridge]

mercifu en

back to grinding beo

[summer basin]

💀

[frozen spear]

https://streamable.com/udmhg7 here's my epic castless dad

it felt so good to get a win after 2 hours of nonstop 53 heat losses

also @lone bridge you can see dodge overriding block a few times in this clip

[lone bridge]

heat bad

[scarlet bison]

Gg

[frozen spear]

honestly one of the coolest builds I've ever had

using single casts per cshot as a resource

idk it just hit different

[lone bridge]

bruh wait you do know about cast splitting right

when you dont have enough damage to instaphase you are supposed to do like 2-1 or 3-1 to maximize cshot damage lol

instead of doing them all in one volley

[frozen spear]

lol sorry I 100% know that already

but thanks

if I didn't know that still it would be kinda disturbing

[lone bridge]

yeah lmao

[sweet cypress]

no shackle

[ashen garnet]

What's your heat/pact? Assuming you are trying to clear 32 and any weapon you are comfortable with is fine

Melee weapons are great gameplay-wise but may require some extra time and game knowledge to get a clear

[upper juniper]

Tbf the bulk of their damage wasn’t coming from cast

[sweet cypress]

true

[upper juniper]

Special with charged shot and sudden rush plus beowulf bullrush +100% to attack damage etcetera

[quasi horizon]

What's the best keepsake to use for high heat runs?

[hoary pasture]

Best for what

[quasi horizon]

Idk is there an objective most useful or anything

[hoary pasture]

No

[fleet ingot]

depends on the playstyle really

[hoary pasture]

Your choice varies with build/biome/timer/amount of heat etc

[quasi horizon]

I'm always choosing the tooth because I'm a coward lol

[hoary pasture]

You want to force a god

[forest token]

That's good for later in the run

[pseudo kernel]

tooth good in ely because bull scary

[fleet ingot]

true

[nocturne stag]

I prefer acorn

[quasi horizon]

The main heat modifier I've been using has been extreme measures so I've at least got decent experience in the boss fights

Minus the last one lol

[hoary pasture]

Tart: Olympian God / Shackle
Asphodel: Olympian God / Tooth / Earring / Shackle
Elysium: Acorn / Tooth / Hourglass / Earring
Styx: Acorn / Tooth / Broken Spearpoint

That sums it up

[shy plinth]

Also depends what you're asking - is it "what do people choose at 50+" or "what should I be doing as I climb"

Because if you're going for skelly statues, it's probs not shackle and earring

[quasi horizon]

Thank you guys

[shy plinth]

But yeah Mike is right as usual

[sweet cypress]

oh i just realized that earring is literally always active with sd

epic

[ashen garnet]

Sometimes you have to pick earring just because TD3 timer is an issue and it helps tremendously for Elysium

[ripe ermine]

I’ll Coin Purse in Aspho but yeah otherwise this exactly

[hoary pasture]

Oh ye purse is also gud

Forgot about it

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1005719992001634315/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

is this like the only possible pact for beo 50 heat

and should i test 45 heat before i do 50

[lone bridge]

this is the standard beo 50 pact

wait not cp2

you want hell mode instead of cp2

[forest token]

aight

[lone bridge]

but otherwise yeah thats the standard pact

for my 50 i did ap2 dc1 instead of em4 which is a bit sus but it works

[forest token]

that's quite sus lmao

i'll do the standard one first at a different time, i need to practice a few of these pacts

[lone bridge]

also at like 40-45+ you should switch to passion flare, try to get snow burst and run pstatus

[forest token]

oh interesting

it's just less rng right

[lone bridge]

yeah

[forest token]

also what was the reasoning behind snow burst instead of demeter atk again? it was explained to me before but i dont remember

[lone bridge]

its way more consistent

[lone bridge]

snow burst = damage + applies chill anyway

it also stacks chill super fast

its also aoe

[forest token]

i mean the atk also does damage and chills as well

[lone bridge]

yeah not to the extent that snow burst does

if you can get dem attack in addition to snow burst its nice on the offchance that you dont snow burst something before you hit it with casts

but thats very rare

youd be surprised how much damage snow burst adds on its own btw

[forest token]

alright thanks

i'll do practice runs tomorrow with some various pacts to get used to them

[sweet cypress]

its very fun to 2 or 3shot tart goons with snow burst

[frozen spear]

attack is a fine substitute for snow burst

arguably more effective vs dad for keeping him full chilled

snow burst still preferred but pick up either

[lone bridge]

yeah nowhere near as good as snow burst imo though

having both really helps keep chill up in p1 though

because darknesses remove all status effects

[half heart]

Is darkness call viable for high heat runs?

I myself don't remember using it for such runs

[pseudo kernel]

no

[dapper schooner]

pretty much never

[half heart]

IMO main issue is that it lasts too short

[lone bridge]

no use acorn instead its way better

[dapper schooner]

you're giving up a keepsake that could save you like acorn or tooth

is the main problem

[lone bridge]

acorn will negate 300+ damage

[pseudo kernel]

the main issue is that it causes dad to instantly attack

[dapper schooner]

if you need damage that badly then I think skull earring is better anyways?

[lone bridge]

dad call is only good for speedrunning where it gives you insane burst damage and makes him repeat his last attack (so you can prevent darkness)

[dapper schooner]

not sure

[half heart]

I mean i always use acorn/tooth/hourglass anyway

[half heart]

At least is funny when you use greater call during Hades fight

"Father!" "What?"

[lone bridge]

skull earring is bad if you got tosd which most high heat runs do

[half heart]

😄

[dapper schooner]

true

[pseudo kernel]

thats why you dont take tosd

this is a legit strat 🗿

[lone bridge]

that is also true

but only if youre doing like 60+

[nocturne stag]

Tosd?

[lone bridge]

touch of styx dark

makes sd heal for 80% instead of 30%

absolutely busted

[dapper schooner]

patty my beloved

[lone bridge]

almost triples your hp pool

and lasts into dad if you get a 2 sack no matter where you get it in elysium

[frozen spear]

actually incorrect

[lone bridge]

what

what hl0 are you living in

[frozen spear]

acorn negates 20 damage from a bunch of stupid numbskull hits

[lone bridge]

not if you kill the numbskulls

[frozen spear]

self skill issue

[nocturne stag]

It negates 0 damage if you kill dad

[lone bridge]

acorn actually makes you negate 30 damage from butterflies in em4

thats its worst case scenario

[frozen spear]

lol

[lone bridge]

here wait lemme make a graph

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1005877556521750598/unknown.png

thats pretty much how it is

you get bballs and youre doomed

[frozen spear]

is crusher easiest

[hoary pasture]

Sneaks are ass

[frozen spear]

I got it a few times and figured it was

[hoary pasture]

Yea

Crushers are slow as hell

[frozen spear]

doomstone seems annoying with all the chances to lose acorn

[lone bridge]

yeah i meant to show them a bit higher

but bballs are 10x worse than sneaks

[lone bridge]

this is a relative graph

[frozen spear]

my beo EM4 got obliterated by sneaks I remember

they're awful but I can see why they're far less run ending than bball

[lone bridge]

the problem with bballs is that they get around shield

even beo

so they can literally stop your block and then you take 2 dad hits

lmao

maybe theyd be a bit easier on beo if they didnt do that but yknow

[hoary pasture]

Bballs also incredibly tanky

[lone bridge]

that too

hard to even kill them anyway

[frozen spear]

EM4 should have asterius as summon tbh

if bball is an option it's only fair

[nocturne stag]

Because clearly beo needs to be better

[frozen spear]

buff beo

[hoary pasture]

Make Mirage x4 damage

[frozen spear]

that's not a request that's a statement, beo is extremely buff

[hoary pasture]

No it can be a request too

[frozen spear]

oh true

[lone bridge]

i mean yeah its a pretty weak aspect

[frozen spear]

one buff beo please to do with as I wish

[nocturne stag]

Buff Gilgamesh, make it the best aspect in the game it'd be funny

[half heart]

If any changes I would like to get better sword upgrades through hammer

So that there would be no harmful options

[frozen spear]

from what I remember reading about sumerian mythology I think gilgamesh is already plenty buff

[nocturne stag]

Fdggxs

[lone bridge]

based and ziggurat pilled

[mossy zinc]

Sometimes they seem to just disappear for most of the fight, though.

Soul Catcher summon with Rama is just a reset lol. Can't charge any shots.

[forest token]

somehow just got to styx without privileged status on 50 heat beo, have a +1 cast in the shop. should i take hourglass or keep the acorn

[frozen spear]

take cast on hourglass then take acorn

[forest token]

i'm already on acorn

i took acorn into ely

[frozen spear]

EM4?

[forest token]

yeah

prob stick with acorn?

or go balls to the wall and take hourglass

[frozen spear]

depends on your build I guess

patty?

[forest token]

nope

[frozen spear]

uh

think you're screwed then lol

I'd keep acorn or tooth

[forest token]

heck yeah buddy

only thing i have going for me is max hp of 325

and epic rd

[frozen spear]

wait you have purple RD

you should take hourglass to instaphase

[forest token]

dont have PS active tho i dont think that's gonna happen but aight

balls to the wall it is then

very cool i am dead

got through first phase tho lol

why does hades throw the spear so much i was not prepared for that lmao

oh if im' not going for mirage shot with beo, should i switch to gods' pride

[frozen spear]

of course

pride >>>> at high heat

[forest token]

very cool

as if not having common passion flare would've made a difference for me lol

8% cast damage boost from bouldy blessed run

[forest token]

got patty then blew the champs fight very cool

[dapper schooner]

unlosable

[forest token]

Well too late lmao

[quartz mantle]

No you should always take Acorn

Or Tooth

Or spearpoint if you're feeling spicy

but the only time you take an offensive keepsake into styx is if the timer requires you to

[vague patio]

I've climbed up 20 heat with rama and have been trying 32, which is a tough slog. Lots of deaths. Maybe I should practice working my way up a few heat at a time? i'm not sure. I have been able to get to Hades once or twice (out of a dozen) but die phase 2. So far my best runs have been zeus special + jolted + +4 special hammer. Any suggestions or thoughts?

here's my current pact setup - HL1 LC1 CF2 EM4 BP 2 MM UC FO1 DC2 TD2

EM4 is really because I couldn't even climb out to the surface with 4 other heat somewhere else

[magic pier]

The jump to 32 can be quite challenging. Are you dying to a slow attrition of resources, or is something (e.g. dad) just wiping you out?

[hoary pasture]

EM4 is a difficult pact

[magic pier]

Ah. Then I might recommend practicing with something other than EM4.

[hoary pasture]

And it's probably the reason you're losing

Learn TD3

And use LC4

[magic pier]

Alternatively LC4.

[hoary pasture]

Read the pins here

[vague patio]

would you recommend working way up heat?

[hoary pasture]

20 to 32 is not the worst thing ever, but the pact matters a lot at this point, so first you have to fix it, and make sure you're going for a solid/reasonable build and then give it a few gos, if it's way too difficult still then you'll have to lower the heat yea

HL5 LC4 CF2/DC2 MM UC EM3 TD3 BP2 is a very standard pact

The way you play around LC4 is by using Stubborn Defiance on the mirror, it makes it easy to heal but your hp pool is gonna be smaller so you have be atleast decent at bosses

HL5 is not a big deal due to FO0

Very easy to dodge attacks

[vague patio]

we

we'll try it

[neat sonnet]

not EM4 will make actually winning your runs a lot easier also

but yeah just follow what they’ve said, high heat is about adjusting to the new pacts, and usually just tightening up your play in general

[shy plinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/unknown.png

If you're looking for a heat prog here's the one I recommend

But yeah you could jump up to 32

[neat sonnet]

or just be like nyaanyaa and use RI4 lol

[shy plinth]

The pact mike listed is the go-to first time 32

Mirrorless lel

Nyaanyaa is a rare talent

[neat sonnet]

not me jumping to 32 from having cleared spear at 6

iirc my highest was 17 on hera bow before that lol

but yeah nyaanyaa is just built different

[shy plinth]

Yeeeeesh

I jumped 16 to 32 for my statue but couldn't replicate it until I really tightened up

Had to go down in heat and learn fo

[neat sonnet]

guan yu + charged skewer kills things what can i say

[shy plinth]

You can say that

[neat sonnet]

lmao yeah i just died a whole bunch

[shy plinth]

Astaos would be proud

[neat sonnet]

that he would

still need to git gud and clear 40 with anything though

that or 32 fists because i just can’t stand them and haven’t yet

[shy plinth]

Fists are love

Just ME it

[neat sonnet]

right right i totally forgot that’s just a thing

me taking ap1 at 40 because i hate fun and am bad at the video game

[shy plinth]

My only 40 is gilga lol

[neat sonnet]

splish splash?

[shy plinth]

Just get em with merciful claws

[neat sonnet]

lol nice

[vague patio]

FO2? that seems brutal. Well I'll try various pacts and see how things go. I am currently not fast enough for td3

[shy plinth]

You have dc2 and cf2 on, those will slow you down a good bit

You can do HL5 if you'd rather, you just gotta pick some combo of faster or more damaging

Td3 practice is a good idea either way, makes pact selections much more forgiving

And it's def worth learning sd+lc4

That saves you a few points too

[sweet cypress]

shackle cheese is also an option

pretty sure that was my first 32

[shy plinth]

Something that could be helpful is watching vods of runs on the aspect you wanna use from the Leaderboard sheet

See what better players do that you aren't doing yet

Helped me clean up my movement a good bit

[vague patio]

that's a good idea

[vague patio]

what aspects are you thinking for shackle cheese?

[left prism]

Any high base dmg weapon works

But shackle is basically epic aphro and no defensive keepsakes

[neat sonnet]

shackle hestia

[sweet cypress]

hestia definitely

rama is also ok but less safe

and more rng actually just use hestia

[sweet cypress]

the defensive keepsake is not having to put as much heat into dangerous pacts

[left prism]

How does shackle prevents putting heat in dangerous pacts

[sweet cypress]

ap2 ri2

[left prism]

Sir this is for 32 heat i assumed

[pseudo kernel]

not having to put as much heat into dangerous pacts
ap2 ri2

[shy plinth]

[pseudo kernel]

literally some of the worst pacts for 32

[sweet cypress]

its cheese the point is you rely only on shackle

so boons arent as important

[pseudo kernel]

half your mirror is important tho

wait is this why you like dark regen

[sweet cypress]

relevant message

[sweet cypress]

no

[pseudo kernel]

there is nothing creative or unbalanced about shackle hestia

[sweet cypress]

that is the joke

because the person hates having creative balanced builds

[sweet cypress]

its unbalanced because you dont have to think at all

[pseudo kernel]

idk man it seems pretty fine to me

literally the same thing as aphro attack

[shy plinth]

"Unbalanced" is a strong word

Why don't we just say "repetitive" or something

[jaunty falcon]

Shackle hestia is good from <15 heat and >50 heat

by using ap2 ri2 you are limiting hearts, poms, damage, and making it unrealistic to get extra DDs

its completely stupid to do ap2 ri2 at 32 heat

if your main goal is a clear

[vague patio]

yeah, the plan probably is to get good enough that I'm not dying to HL5 or FO1 damage

[shy plinth]

I got a fluke 32 with a super cursed pact, but I didn't start getting consistent 32s until I heated down and learned FO1 then FO2

Took a few days for each

[forest token]

I just remembered that charged shot on beo removes iframes from the standard bull rush and isn't a good pick at 50 heat
Which hammer should I pick then?

[errant oasis]

what’re the other choices

[lone bridge]

sudden rush/ferocious guard/beo specific one are the only good ones

id go with sudden rush for ease of use

if you arent doing an em4 pact though cshot is still good

[forest token]

I'm doing em4 but I think I can do it I'm just out of practice

But I was thinking about my champs fight I lost and remembered I got stuck between a wall, the bull, and the falling bomb from Theseus and I was blocking

And bull rush would've gotten me out of it a lot better than charged shot

I've gotten too used to nuking the champs fight I forgot how to play optimally

[hexed sapphire]

Dashing wallop

[frozen spear]

hey breaching rush is ok too

and minotaur rush is unironically underrated imo, you can occasionally make it kick in for some nice extra damage

[lone bridge]

ehhh not without cshot

[frozen spear]

for modded yeah the ones you listed are the best by far

[lone bridge]

well i mean breaching and minotaur arent actively detrimental

but they arent great

[frozen spear]

I still like minotaur idk

it's inferior but not irrelevant imo

aka on AP I'm happy to see it over the actual irrelevant special crap

[lone bridge]

oh well yeah

actually in speedruns i take the special crap over some attack buffing stuff lol

[pseudo kernel]

minotaur rush doesnt really do anything tho

except if you are on like em4 and blocking the lasers

[frozen spear]

minotaur slander

[lone bridge]

it does something then?

[frozen spear]

for EM4 sudden rush unironically sounds like a sidegrade right

since you might overshoot casts while blocking

[lone bridge]

yeah but its good for the other 4 biomes and 3 bosses

[frozen spear]

true

the secret is start with cshot then anvil it for ferocious guard and unyielding defense just before superdad

[lone bridge]

based

just win the 1/4 at the end

ez

[frozen spear]

what 1/4

just don't take second hammer

easy

not like you're getting anything but all special hammers

[lone bridge]

true

[pseudo kernel]

i honestly dont like sudden rush on beo anymore

[lone bridge]

what

its just cshot but without the shot

and the damage

[pseudo kernel]

i just like the bullrush without sudden

[frozen spear]

sudden rush is bad because of the hedonistic treadmill

what happened to just taking it slow and smelling the flowers

today's society is too hellbent on charging bull rush faster

[lone bridge]

its hedonic lmao

and i wouldnt be able to do my bombers setup without increased charge speed from cshot

[frozen spear]

no red squiggle

[pseudo kernel]

wait what

[lone bridge]

-meg
-dash to one side, hitting with attack
-load all 3 casts
-cshot barely hitting the second one

kills both instantly

its a thing of beauty

[pseudo kernel]

you immediately meg?

[lone bridge]

is there a better way to do it?

[lone bridge]

uh yeah

[frozen spear]

isn't it better to meg randomly and miss both

[lone bridge]

oh well obviously set up the angle

[frozen spear]

or is that just my meta

[lone bridge]

but after that thats what you do

[lone bridge]

true tbh

[lone bridge]

also i dont think this setup is actually possible on controller lmao

being able to dash one way and attack the other is a joy controller players will never be able to experience

[frozen spear]

kbm >>>

[lone bridge]

so true

[pseudo kernel]

https://youtu.be/mk1jdpm-Osw?t=199

usually just do this

[frozen spear]

literally isn't bow gameplay just dash away and attack the other direction

how do controller players use bow

[lone bridge]

well yeah thats how you do the meg

but why kill one at a time when you can do 2

[lone bridge]

also yeah wtf

[frozen spear]

also someone sent me a video of them using controller lucy special and it was awful

[lone bridge]

yeah it looks like it sucks

[frozen spear]

imagine trying to do high heat or speedrun lucy when you literally can't spam triple bomb in different areas

boggles my mind

[pseudo kernel]

that is why luci 32 heat unmodded unseeded wr is held by a kbm player

[lone bridge]

i still dont know why wmic doesnt just use kbm for the whole run on luci

bomb placement is so important

[frozen spear]

ok unmodded unseeded wr holder

[lone bridge]

lmaoo

9:01 seems so beatable but i dont want to do unmodded lmao

[frozen spear]

what's modded

[lone bridge]

lmao

[pseudo kernel]

What's your 32 heat pb

[frozen spear]

mine is sub 5

[pseudo kernel]

Same

[lone bridge]

wait

maybe i should get good at lucifer and take the modded unseeded 50 heat wr

its at 15:57 rn

[frozen spear]

what's that

[pseudo kernel]

Can't be that bad

[lone bridge]

my time was 19:40 lol

i feel like i could totally improve that, i was trying to play uber safe

[pseudo kernel]

My luci 50 time was

[lone bridge]

wait id have to do ap2 for that

ew

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah 50 speeds kinda hard

[lone bridge]

just gotta get the arty special and divine dash on ap2

ez

[frozen spear]

if I was trying to speedrun lucy I'd do the RI1 AP1 pact

[pseudo kernel]

Just do em4

[half heart]

I remember one run when I didn't have double edge, but got world splitter and it was good too 🙂

BTW - is there any records of sword run higher than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mQwfdTfozM

[lone bridge]

not higher, no

but nephi has an arthur 57

[half heart]

[lone bridge]

no thats not thats 🗿

[half heart]

What this emoji means?

[lone bridge]

idk its just kinda 🗿

@frozen spear anyway yeah idk styx just kinda easy mode

[frozen spear]

I hate chiron

[lone bridge]

same

it was so easy for 45 but so hard for 50

i dont understand

actually do you think i could do 50 with it now?

[frozen spear]

one of the few things I miss from unmodded is challenging styx

[lone bridge]

i might be able to tbh

[frozen spear]

normal endrooms are cool and tough

[lone bridge]

i hate normal endrooms

theyre so boring

and annoying

[frozen spear]

fine

anyways chiron 50 shouldn't be too challenging I imagine

[lone bridge]

idk

its pretty difficult

[frozen spear]

just keep rolling until you get some kind of swift flourish and heart rend

[lone bridge]

yeah thats harder than it sounds lmao

[frozen spear]

your pact is EM3 JS1 RI2 AP1 right?

that's 51 I think

[lone bridge]

ah yes

the classic cp2 50

[frozen spear]

god I always forget about CP2

I was getting excited imagining turning off HS

[lone bridge]

also ap2 is probably better than ri2

and dc is problematic

[frozen spear]

but then no HR

[lone bridge]

and so is js

[lone bridge]

yeah but dc2 is really bad

[frozen spear]

I think I prefer DC2 over JS3

shocker for me I know

[lone bridge]

id almost say its worse than js3 but that might be a bit far

[frozen spear]

compromise with DC1 JS2

ok how about EM4 RI0 AP1

then roll for purple swift flourish

[lone bridge]

[lone bridge]

also this is gross just bc em4 lmao

roll for purple swift flourish good but that pact still means js3

[frozen spear]

does it

[lone bridge]

or dc2

[frozen spear]

lol yeah

[lone bridge]

this is why chiron sucks past 45

[frozen spear]

why can't chiron handle anything

so frustrating

[lone bridge]

idk

its like

[frozen spear]

clunk clunk clunk

[lone bridge]

-bad at em4
-bad at js
-bad at dc
-bad at ri
-bad at ap

like wtf aspect you cant do this to me

[frozen spear]

hades spear good at JS and RI

[pseudo kernel]

Chiron is good at

[frozen spear]

hades >>>> chiron

[lone bridge]

so true tbh

[lone bridge]

lol hades spear

what build even is hades spear wr

special or does it actually do serrated

[pseudo kernel]

Special spam

[lone bridge]

makes sense

[pseudo kernel]

Why would it do serrated

Lmao

[lone bridge]

i didnt think it would

that would be very ballsy

[frozen spear]

probs some dumb charged launcher highroll

[pseudo kernel]

It doesn't get charged skewer

[frozen spear]

charged launcher hades does actually sound nice though

since good synergy with debuff

[lone bridge]

wtf

how

[frozen spear]

but then you have to use spin attack

[lone bridge]

true maybe i should try it

nah

[frozen spear]

lol

[pseudo kernel]

https://youtu.be/5rW3gFiqZDs

[frozen spear]

if you get charged launcher with arty special in place it actually doesn't sound so bad for 50

[lone bridge]

lol nice rarity reset at the beginning

[frozen spear]

like gamer gy

[pseudo kernel]

Gy more gamer than hades

[frozen spear]

duh

unironically I wish hades spear gave you a moveset closer to dad

[pseudo kernel]

It does tho

[frozen spear]

like his spear sweep would be such a cool replacement for actual spin

[pseudo kernel]

Stab

Spin

Ez

[frozen spear]

hm

[pseudo kernel]

You get the spear throw from em4 too

[lone bridge]

only on achilles

[frozen spear]

why does achilles get all the cool stuff

[lone bridge]

also btw i recently learned smth really weird

[frozen spear]

when hades literally doesn't get the most basic change of debuff working on spin

so stupid

[lone bridge]

savior cloner doesnt actually exist

[frozen spear]

what

[lone bridge]

i was shocked when i learned that

yeah

its true

[frozen spear]

am I mandela effecting

[lone bridge]

ikr

i was just like wtf

and then in all the bp2 attempt i did after that i paid close attention

i never saw a savior cloner

not once

[frozen spear]

ok I have to look out for this

that's wack

[lone bridge]

yeah ikr

[frozen spear]

I do know that some BP2 combos were removed early on

[lone bridge]

speeder cloner and speeder savior are still a thing but not savior cloner

[frozen spear]

but I assumed it was awful stuff in ely

[lone bridge]

which is insane

i swear ive seen piles of savior cloner numbskulls

but nope

[frozen spear]

bruh

glitch in the matrix

[lone bridge]

#787779476888354816 message

this convo is how i found out lmao

[frozen spear]

bruh

[lone bridge]

yeah its really weird

also by the name of it it looks like savior was originally meant to spread hitshields when they died

which sounds a lot nicer

[frozen spear]

man it does

[lone bridge]

also btw bp perks were meant to multiply enemy difficulty values but apparently that didnt work

but that means that cloners were supposed to be 5x as difficult

like what

imagine walking into a room and only having to kill 2 cloner numbskulls

[frozen spear]

why is so much crap just broken

[lone bridge]

idk

[frozen spear]

same with fishing

[lone bridge]

whats wrong with fishing

[frozen spear]

perfect catch was supposed to be 5% chance of best fish

[lone bridge]

lmaooo

[frozen spear]

but bug meant it was 50/50

[lone bridge]

hades the video game

hades fishing is really bad anyway

its the worst implemented fishing mechanic in any game with fishing ive played

[frozen spear]

true, there was a point in time where seeing a fishing spot actually pissed me off

dumb mechanic, I wish I had a save file without rod

[lone bridge]

yeah but then you couldnt get offered huge catch

[frozen spear]

wait

does that mean no rod actually improves pos pool

[lone bridge]

i think it does

[frozen spear]

wtf

[lone bridge]

lmaooooo

this game

[frozen spear]

but then you can't fish for chamber exit load and than skip

[lone bridge]

wait what

oh than skip

not then skip

yeah but why fish tech when you can just get a menu than lmao

[frozen spear]

what if you can't menu than

[lone bridge]

then idk

also have you heard of charon tech

[frozen spear]

nope

[hoary pasture]

If you cant menu than use the secret strat of letting him get the last kill

[lone bridge]

wait what?

what does that do

[frozen spear]

so you can book it to endpoint

I do it usually

[lone bridge]

oh i do that with menu than anyway

[frozen spear]

yeah

[lone bridge]

i dont think he teleports away if youre too far away from endpoint

[frozen spear]

but fishing should still be helpful when you can't menu than

[lone bridge]

#523766792963751936 message

really insane time save

[hoary pasture]

Nothing

[frozen spear]

holy crap

that's amazing wtf

[lone bridge]

ikr

i didnt use it in my 6:21 but if i did it wouldve been sub6

[frozen spear]

would this also work by using projectile at gold vase

[hoary pasture]

Okay well having Than get the last kill does something, but it has to be his single target attack, basically when he realizes it’s the last enemy in the room he starts to float towards the spot where he drops the heart, before the encounter actually ends

[frozen spear]

oh interesting

[hoary pasture]

So when it ends he would be just in the right spot to drop the heart

Ideally

[frozen spear]

since the enemy has to die at latest when his scythe lands

[lone bridge]

no this is after you break the pot

you can buy a boon until that like +15 disappears

but itll still do that when you talk to charon

but during that the timer is paused

lmao

god i hate no menu than it sucks

[frozen spear]

ok so I got the charontech

but do projectiles move while you're talking to charon

[lone bridge]

probably

[frozen spear]

so wouldn't that be a tech too

[lone bridge]

although i dont know any projectiles that travel slow enough for that to work

maybe cast?

like ares cast

[frozen spear]

cast yep

[lone bridge]

ooh

post charontech v2 in speedtech

[frozen spear]

like just base cast while standing next to charon

[lone bridge]

hmm

yeah

i think thatd work

and even better tbh

[jaunty falcon]

Zeus shield

[lone bridge]

true

[jaunty falcon]

im gonna begin my goomba journey today

[lone bridge]

you got this

[frozen spear]

wtf is goomba

[lone bridge]

lmao

[jaunty falcon]

20 sub 6s

[lone bridge]

i forgot youre not active in speedcord

[lone bridge]

and yeah this

[frozen spear]

sounds easy

[lone bridge]

theres only 1 goomba spot left until the image is updated

[jaunty falcon]

The 6:09 I got earlier seemed to pop out so quickly

[lone bridge]

says the person with no sub7s

where sub7

[frozen spear]

:rofxic:

[lone bridge]

huh?

[frozen spear]

soon™️

[lone bridge]

hmmm

literally it can pop out so fast lmao

[jaunty falcon]

pop

[lone bridge]

beo is such an easy aspect

[jaunty falcon]

Literally just get a sub 5:40 ely exit and it’s basically free 😂

🤦‍♂️

[lone bridge]

this pretty much

sub 5:40 ely not too bad

[jaunty falcon]

2 min elysium is kinda normal

[frozen spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1006313667454840862/image0.jpg?format=png

[jaunty falcon]

That means 3:40 exit

[lone bridge]

3:40 aspho is pretty easy

you can get after like 20-25m of resets

if youre bad like me

[jaunty falcon]

I got my first sub 3 aspho in my beo pb, and my next sub 3 aspho was 3 anyheat beo attempts later

Wtf

[frozen spear]

cheat engine

[lone bridge]

seriously

[frozen spear]

r!ce @jaunty falcon

[lone bridge]

cracked

i only have 1 sub 3 aspho

its very sad

[frozen spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/661812833771847703/994427464413614121/temp.png?format=png

[lone bridge]

lmao

for sub6 pace i reset for like a 3:15 aspho

which is bad but im bad and i hope to get lucky in ely

[frozen spear]

I reset for 2 chaos grasps and fully loaded by end of tart

[lone bridge]

reasonable

honestly i hate playing with more than like 5 casts lmao

i feel like 5 is perfect

[frozen spear]

also I heard the other day you can technically hyper delivery furies

[lone bridge]

yeah

[frozen spear]

that's wack

[lone bridge]

hermes midshop hermes endshop lmao

[frozen spear]

but you also need extension

[lone bridge]

do you?

[frozen spear]

since hermes won't show in c13

[lone bridge]

i dont think so

[lone bridge]

he will in the shop

right?

[frozen spear]

or second hermes won't I mean

[lone bridge]

ohh

makes sense

[frozen spear]

second hermes is added to bag c14 or something

hence why he likes showing up c1 aspho

[lone bridge]

not added to bag but allowed to show up

[frozen spear]

yep yep

[lone bridge]

hes added to bag before then

which is why he likes showing up c1 aspho

kinda like second hammer

[frozen spear]

if he's allowed to show c14 why don't you see him in furies smh

[lone bridge]

lol i remember when i was bad and i would buy ix from aspho ely midbiome and then see hammer on laurels and be like "welp, that was a waste of money"

[frozen spear]

I'm reminded of the iq hell curve

[lone bridge]

the what

[frozen spear]

low heat: take hammer over ixion
mid heat: no don't do that hammer will show up again
high heat: take hammer over ixion

[lone bridge]

oh this lmao

yeah

so many things like that

things that new players do that you stop doing when you get good and start doing when you get better lmao

[hoary pasture]

Be like me and keep a 3:30

[lone bridge]

what

how

[frozen spear]

shield being the best weapon low and high heat smh

[jaunty falcon]

1:20 ely isn’t out of the question

[hoary pasture]

Don’t actually keep it

[jaunty falcon]

And 1:10 styxdad is again not too hard

[lone bridge]

yeah obv

[hoary pasture]

3:15 already feels ass as it is because elysium can suck a di- banned

[lone bridge]

true

[jaunty falcon]

4:15 aspho is technically sub6able

[lone bridge]

chaos being the best aspect then the worst aspect then a good aspect

[frozen spear]

I keep 3:30 aspho when pushing for sub 5

[jaunty falcon]

Just get magnil elysium then croven styxdad

[lone bridge]

ok yeah but 50s ely and 50s styxdad is almost impossible

arent there only a few sub1 elys?

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah

Around 10?

Maybe

[hoary pasture]

Probably

[lone bridge]

new wired video: why getting a sub6 from a 4:15 aspho is almost impossible

[jaunty falcon]

Who’s gonna keep a 4:15 aspho tho 💀

[frozen spear]

can't you just ixion through all of ely

easy

[jaunty falcon]

Can’t get chaos into chaos

[lone bridge]

^^

[hoary pasture]

You have to play rooms in between

[lone bridge]

you can def chaos free room chaos free room chaos chain though

[frozen spear]

uh

[hoary pasture]

But if enemies are really good you can be fast still

[lone bridge]

well this combo only works in tart

but you can chaos free room chaos

in ely

[jaunty falcon]

Only than/miniboss

[lone bridge]

yeah

[frozen spear]

just free room through everything else

[lone bridge]

oh wait you can do 4 in tart and 3 in ely then

[jaunty falcon]

Or just get lots of chariots and armoured witches

That’s what I did in the 6:09

But then naked flame wheels c34 🗿

[lone bridge]

my 6:21 had a 2m ely lmao

[hoary pasture]

Iconic

[jaunty falcon]

Literally 30s 34

[frozen spear]

I thought you did the call summon reload interact trick to skip both ely and styx

[hoary pasture]

Same room that my 5:10 had

🗿

[jaunty falcon]

Oh yeah true

[lone bridge]

@modern fieldplayers do this

[jaunty falcon]

Hey at least that run had a good c27

[lone bridge]

wtf

discord

stop pinging random people

[frozen spear]

lmaoooo

[lone bridge]

im sorry to whoever that pinged

[frozen spear]

@granite merlin

bruh that still works

[jaunty falcon]

Context https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/meJWAm0l2U3JrOVf4TGvRA0qpra1h50dfsDbl-ae7pU/https/i.imgur.com/zZhK4zU.mp4

[frozen spear]

sorry dad

[lone bridge]

lmaooooo

wtf

was that your 5:54?

[jaunty falcon]

5:56 yeah

[lone bridge]

jesus christ lmao

[jaunty falcon]

Could have easily been 5:46

Rip

[lone bridge]

yeah

[frozen spear]

what's the nickname for armored splitters again

[lone bridge]

besties

[jaunty falcon]

Crovens?

[frozen spear]

think that was it

[lone bridge]

is this a thing?

i had no idea

[hoary pasture]

Crovens are archers

[jaunty falcon]

Ah yeah

[lone bridge]

do armored splitters and armored chariots have names

theyre awesome

[frozen spear]

they must

[hoary pasture]

Neurons

Because when you see them

[jaunty falcon]

Deadn’t elysiumers

[hoary pasture]

You inner monke brain activates

[frozen spear]

lol

[lone bridge]

true

[frozen spear]

monke brain says run into splitters and lose dds

[lone bridge]

unarmored warriors are so

[jaunty falcon]

I love that room with the traps in the middle, if 2 chariots spawn at once side you can just stay there and nuke 3 times

And have an 8s chamber

[lone bridge]

which room?

[jaunty falcon]

Lemme find it

[lone bridge]

my least favorite room in ely is the equilateral egg triangle

[frozen spear]

on the topic of rooms that aspho one where you can't see all three exits fills me with rage

[lone bridge]

this is by far the worst aspho room

[hoary pasture]

I hope it’s sarcasm

[lone bridge]

is there a spawn manip to stop things from spawning at the bottom

[hoary pasture]

It’s one of the best rooms

[frozen spear]

mike teach us how to deal with the room

[lone bridge]

wait it is

[hoary pasture]

Yeet yourself in lava

Above the stairs

[lone bridge]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that.... makes sense

[hoary pasture]

Worst aspho room is probably donuts

[frozen spear]

is that how you spawn manip

[lone bridge]

oh yeah donuts is really bad

[frozen spear]

hm ok

[lone bridge]

[hoary pasture]

Well yea enemies can only spawn so far

[frozen spear]

how do you see all exits though

[jaunty falcon]

https://imgur.com/a/FFXRm98 this one

I love this one

[hoary pasture]

You cant

[lone bridge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6NaU9v1-raeibkl4jBOxsYyBGfwq6w9g-HvOkzEXFM9RaxKP9TSE1ZioMmR4p-taL-sQjFbcqOe2A/pub this is how

[hoary pasture]

Downside of this room is it cant give midshop

🗿

[lone bridge]

wait wtf

[jaunty falcon]

🗿

Spaghetti code

[hoary pasture]

Yea some rooms are like that

[frozen spear]

nice spaghet

[hoary pasture]

Like that Aspho room

Shaped like an S

Stands for Spaghetti

Cant get midshop

But it’s one of the nicest chambers

[mossy zinc]

Idk why you suppose it's not intentional.

[lone bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1006319541711818752/unknown.png

i like this one

[hoary pasture]

This is the “my midshop is gone” room for me

[lone bridge]

unless you get it c17

[mossy zinc]

I like this one. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tnsbPkjeWA4/maxresdefault.jpg

[hoary pasture]

Yea then it’s good

Wow

You chose a good one

Can give midshop too

[lone bridge]

when you miss the dash in tart fountain room though

[mossy zinc]

m an OG, after all.

[hoary pasture]

Peak kbm moment

[lone bridge]

thats why i do the setup i do lol

feels more consistent

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1006319906804994068/unknown.png?width=499&height=669

also i love these descriptions

just an aspho moment

[hoary pasture]

Those are both total pain

Especially the second one

Donuts are ass to maneuver but if you get good enemies I feel like it’s not the worst thing ever, still a really bad room

[lone bridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1006320342790324336/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

this is by far worst ely

[hoary pasture]

The second one I just cant see anything half the time

[lone bridge]

god i hate that room so much

enemies just spawn literally all over the place

[pseudo kernel]

Bridge room worse

🗿

[lone bridge]

oh

true

bridge room worse

ok thats second worst ely after bridge room

[jaunty falcon]

https://imgur.com/a/DqVR5EX neurons activate

[lone bridge]

blessedlysium

also lvl 3 heroic cast is really wack lmao

[jaunty falcon]

yeah poms were weird in that run

ended with like level 10 tho

8*

[forest token]

Have braid and jerky in well before Styx, currently using acorn and got patty, should I switch to hourglass or keep acorn

50 heat beo with em4

Oh and I'm also running on overtime

[lone bridge]

a bit late but i have absolutely no idea

hope that helps

@hoary pasture i know youre asleep but what is the play here

[forest token]

very cool lmao

i haven't left the room yet

[lone bridge]

classic

you could wait 2 and a half hours until mike wakes up and answers the question or just do one of them rn lmao

[forest token]

i think i'll wait

i have over 300 max hp so my sd refills a significant amount and i think i can probably beat em4 dad

no snow burst but i have heroic demeter atk so that's close enough

and demeter dash lmao

[mossy zinc]

@forest token take Cosmic Egg.

[forest token]

lmfao that would be funny

unfortunately i am not good enough at the game for 50 heat memery

yet

[lone bridge]

isnt feather duster a bit better here though?

[mossy zinc]

Both valid options.

I'd take Hourglass, but Acorn is fine too. Whatever works for you. Take one and go for it. Either way you're getting more practice.

[hoary pasture]

Yea that sounds right

[mossy zinc]

If you're not confident enough to take one and go for it but instead would rather wait for 2+ hours for somebody else to make the decision for you, then the choice doesn't matter that much because you need more practice anyway, so... just go for it, get more practice in the fight.

[forest token]

that's true

[hoary pasture]

Beowulf is really strong at Elysium so I would try to take hourglass there just so you don’t run in this situation

Because you can never be too confident with EM4 so I’d like my defensive keepsake

[mossy zinc]

Very good point. I'd normally do the same.

I also like Lucky Tooth more than Acorn for EM4 because it makes especially Soul Catchers less punishing, but Acorn is fine.

[forest token]

poggers i got timered

and potted

[mossy zinc]

And butterflied + sneaked?

[forest token]

sneaked and the tartarus laser mini boss thingy

[forest token]

so i have done an oopsies and the only boons i have is passion flare, frost strike, hs and rd and i need to purge one of them lmao

do i purge frost strike and pray to see demeter again?

[lone bridge]

absolutely

rd is cracked

[forest token]

shackle beo anyone?

aight

[upper juniper]

That’s me fr except not at high heat

[hoary pasture]

Tiny flare enjoyer

[lone bridge]

wait a minute

omg i forgot about passion flare attack selling shenanigans

god i hate this glitch so much

does it go away if you get attack back lmao

[forest token]

i have been cucked and did not get snow burst or frost strike

[hoary pasture]

No

[lone bridge]

god damn it

i hate this game

in hindsight i wouldve purged rd there lmao

[forest token]

i mean it's 100% damage bonus vs 40% tho

[lone bridge]

the problem is that selling your attack on passion flare makes your flare size shrink to the size of the base zag cast

[forest token]

oh

[frozen spear]

size doesn't matter

[forest token]

lmfao

[lone bridge]

lmao

[forest token]

oh well the run's been good boys

[lone bridge]

anyway its legit a run killer

i forget about that all the time

[forest token]

it's alright

on the off chance i win it'll be pretty funny

at least i got patty tho

[lone bridge]

tiny cast gaming

at least you have epic rd

[frozen spear]

patty rng is a balanced and enjoyable game mechanic

[hoary pasture]

Tiny cast is fine

[lone bridge]

no, its not

[hoary pasture]

Well it’s not fine but it’s no run killer

[lone bridge]

bullrush will actually shove enemies outside of zag cast aoe sometimes

[hoary pasture]

By a long shot

[frozen spear]

if tiny cast is so bad how come no cast beo 50 is doable

[lone bridge]

ok maybe not a run killer but it makes room rng a lot worse

[frozen spear]

special only beo is unarguably

[lone bridge]

the only way people played the aspect in early access

[frozen spear]

depressing news

was cast beo ever buffed

[lone bridge]

no

[frozen spear]

so people really did just suck

[lone bridge]

yeah

lmao

they looked at hera but better and thought "lets put charged flight on this"

[frozen spear]

since if special beo was restored via hammer balance it still wouldn't hold a candle to cast beo

[lone bridge]

you cant really blame them though a 500+ damage special in tartarus is really good

[frozen spear]

I guess

[forest token]

damn i got potted and lasered lmao

1/3 left on phase 2

[frozen spear]

time to drop HS

[lone bridge]

ah yes the classic maneuver of dropping hs for dc1

actually probably not bad without cshot

[frozen spear]

who said anything about DC1

[lone bridge]

oh god not cp2

[frozen spear]

that's right it's CP2 time

[forest token]

oh dear

lowkey considering lmao

[lone bridge]

nah

[frozen spear]

please don't

[lone bridge]

if you get tired of em4

go to the ap2 pact

[hoary pasture]

Or do both

[lone bridge]

its bad but just get a c4 lvl 4 cast and cshot and its a free win

[frozen spear]

the AP2 pact is truly the dark side

[forest token]

ap2 and what else? the only heat left is dc or cp2

[frozen spear]

DC1

[lone bridge]

dc1

[frozen spear]

it's fine

[forest token]

very cool

[lone bridge]

annoying with cshot but manageable

[frozen spear]

you get cshot so DC time loss is less of a problem

[forest token]

might consider it the rooms aren't killing me as much anymore

[lone bridge]

and beo shreds normal dad

[forest token]

yeah

[frozen spear]

get ready for them to kill you harder with AP2

AP2 sucks

[forest token]

although normal bull rush is very handy instead of cshot

[lone bridge]

oh also on ap2 you keep passion flare but switch back to family favorite

[frozen spear]

yeah it is safer

[forest token]

aight

[lone bridge]

and ditch all dreams of getting snow burst

you wont get it

[frozen spear]

I'd still force dem since she has multiple good things

[forest token]

it'd be real funny if i get snow burst c2

[frozen spear]

unless you have bad build then tooth or earring aspho

[lone bridge]

ehhh

nah

[forest token]

what if i force athena for dd cheese or is that not really an issue if i'm not doing em4

[lone bridge]

taking gods clogs your pom pool

esp on ap2

[frozen spear]

AP2 makes athena way worse

[forest token]

oh joy

[frozen spear]

oh here's an epic cheese strat if you're feeling hopeless

take pom and reset until natural c1 aphro

[lone bridge]

my beo 50 was pretty much just getting cast and cshot and getting a boon late in biome to sell

[frozen spear]

you'll get 2-3 free levels on it

[forest token]

lmao based

[frozen spear]

I may or may not have done that for my 50

[lone bridge]

bruh