builds in speedrunning: lightning strike, jolted, arty special, tidal dash, a lot of t2 poseidon boons, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, and either +3 dashes or rd from hermes and youve got yourself a great build
builds in heat: yo no way i just got tidal dash and athena special. this is definitely the run
#h1-high-heat-strategies
lone bridge
burnt hazel
lmao
my conditions for victory:
i get epic aphro attack
richochet
patty
2 sack
any of those will work
frozen spear
builds in speedrunning: lightning strike, jolted, arty special, tidal dash, a lo...
builds in AP2: I didn't get forced attack replace, this run is going great
lone bridge
builds in AP2: I didn't get forced attack replace, this run is going great
lmaoo
trying zag bow 40 rn
this aspect shreds
its kinda like a better and more useable hestia
burnt hazel
i beat 50 heat lfgggggg
lone bridge
nicee
frozen spear
cracked
shy plinth
Hell yeah
lone bridge
"decent"
burnt hazel
ok maybe i'm better than decent at hk
lone bridge
lmao
burnt hazel
but compared to top hades players i'm probably not even decent
your top players are bonkers
lone bridge
oh yeah compared to top hades players you suck
burnt hazel
hollow knight has trained me to always make my comparison against the best
lone bridge
ok maybe you dont suck but youre nowhere near as good at hades as you are at hk
shy plinth
p5ab warps people's brains
burnt hazel
ok maybe you dont suck but youre nowhere near as good at hades as you are at hk
obviously lol
burnt hazel
p5ab warps people's brains
only p5ab :kekw:
burnt hazel
fun fact i'm literally 100% consistent at p5ab and still not a top player
burnt hazel
IS THIS YOU
it is yeah
shy plinth
My lord
burnt hazel
no you're ridiculous (hat)
shy plinth
...when you're right, you're right
quartz mantle
but compared to top hades players i'm probably not even decent
Don’t make me tap the sign
lone bridge
Don’t make me tap the sign
what sign
burnt hazel
lumos kinda ok at hk
tru
quartz mantle
“Don’t compare yourselves to top players”
It’s unhealthy and doesn’t actually promote growth
burnt hazel
i knowww
quartz mantle
50 heat is god damn incredible
burnt hazel
i'm not used to not being near the top i haven't played a non-hk game for 8 months before hades
shy plinth
That... is a lot of hollow knight
I love that game
But that is a lot of hollow knight lol
lone bridge
yeah it is lol
shy plinth
But hey we have less than a year until silksong 🤡
lone bridge
anyway by the end of this year im hoping for like a 55 heat clear and a sub 6 time in hades (if i keep playing enough to get that)
lone bridge
a lot is afk in my defence
yooo afk hours gang
shy plinth
That's some gamin
burnt hazel
anyway by the end of this year im hoping for like a 55 heat clear and a sub 6 ti...
i believe you can do it
if you play eris then those two will be similar skill sets cuz eris is cracked speed and heat
you won't have to learn a new weapon
lone bridge
my speedruns are absolute garbage so i have no idea how i have a 7:12 lmao
i woke up one day did a run and got a decent time lmao
burnt hazel
my best is 11:35
tbf i did that when my heat pb was like 12
and now that my goal is done i disappear from the hades community
🏃♂️
burnt hazel
i'm half joking i'll still chill here
but probably no more high heat
wow its still uploading
burnt hazel
idk if i'm allowed to post the vid here
shy plinth
I'm not a mod but I would like to see it
burnt hazel
is there like a self promo channel
clever otter
you can always post in #self-promotion
shy plinth
Aha!
clever otter
those huge health bars with the blue hearts in the thumbnail just put so much dread in my heart
i hate bp
bright smelt
just kill enemies before they kill you :croven:
- signed, a sword main who uses eris for high heat
sweet cypress
frozen spear
what's the ideal zagshield pact
I'm running EM3 CP1 RI2 DC0 AP1 rn but from dealing with saviors DC doesn't seem too horrible
pseudo kernel
What heat
frozen spear
50
pseudo kernel
Ik
jaunty falcon
You need 1 boon
frozen spear
AP2 makes me extremely depressed
jaunty falcon
Epic
jaunty falcon
Idk
pseudo kernel
Don't worry about it
frozen spear
bruh
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/980070627505496064/Hades_cBp7zNE8dB.png I did this
Would be way better if you reset for Aphro attack but I couldnt be bothered at all
Just gave it 1 attempt when it was aspect of the week
somber stag
Anyonr have any guide for what chambers to take with 5 min for each underworld region
left prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/973979623085977720/2022051112051100-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg
This was my 50 zag shield
somber stag
What is sd?
left prism
Stubborn defiance
left prism
1 revive that regens each room at 30%
Is used as your heal for lasting consecuences 4 basically
somber stag
I use death defiance mostly cause i judt die at hades fight mostly
left prism
You still can get extra dds with sd
And with 2 dds + patty is arguably stronger than 3 dds
Iirc
somber stag
Is there any tutorials online on how to do tht
left prism
Is there any tutorials online on how to do tht
Basically if you take either of the dds refilling boons from athena while in a room you lost your sd, you will get a dd then sd will regen next room
Those get consumed after sd so is a safety net basically
And patty is the elysium ! Encounter
On sd instead of recovering all dds you get a +50% regen boost for 14 chambers
left prism
Basically if you take either of the dds refilling boons from athena while in a r...
You also can still get Chaos legendary for a +1 dd buuuuut wouldnt count on that
somber stag
Oh
Ty
Do u have a good 32 heat pact for me its my first time
Iam planning to do the run with um bows hidden aspect
raven lotus
I'd like to post what I'm using for my 32 heat pact but I can't post pictures here?
left prism
There is embeds perms
Post in other server then copy img link/use imgur, similar hosting sites
left prism
Mobile discord can i just watch the vid instead of forcing me to dowload
hoary pasture
Zag shield non EM4 dad pretty gud
frozen spear
yeah
frozen spear
basically just dad to point shield at and his movement isn't brownian until phase 2
so zshield does no dps unless you're able to standing strike + cshot I found
correct?
jaunty falcon
Yeah
left prism
As much i love zag shield i wouldnt use it if unmodded lol
hoary pasture
Standing strikes are good
frozen spear
now I know why cshot is so important
left prism
Cshot resets 
frozen spear
it lets you attack again so fast
it's not just about being unblockable high base dmg projectile
left prism
Cshot is a faster rocket bomb
pseudo kernel
https://streamable.com/fb8hmk
Smh no dad corner strats
frozen spear
is that hiding in the corner and blocking everything
lone bridge
yo I can finally change my profile picture again
yooo pog
hoary pasture
is that hiding in the corner and blocking everything
It’s an EM4 strat
frozen spear
gaming
lone bridge
i think ill do zag bow 45 later then try zag shield 45 then 50 then zag bow 50
pseudo kernel
I do it in non em4 for maximum safety
hoary pasture
It’s an EM4 strat
That makes dad act weird and puts you in a good spot where you have insane dps uptime and basically only worry about point blank spear throws
pseudo kernel
I like to not worry about throwing dad fight
hoary pasture
And bballs ig
lone bridge
That makes dad act weird and puts you in a good spot where you have insane dps u...
wait what?
i need to see this
left prism
Someone explained in text somewhere around in tbis channel too
Big post so you can discord search corner strat prob
hoary pasture
^
pseudo kernel
Hmm yes that was probably easier
hoary pasture
It’s multiple messages
pseudo kernel
Best part is damue wrote that
frozen spear
lone bridge
i hate this game
i hate this game again
i got rd mid aspho but im probably not going to see tidal dash until ely
yooo poseidon boon in aspho endshop came in clutch
yo epic rd clockets what
this is the run???
5:37 ely leave
left prism
50 heat eris?
lone bridge
6:17 into dad
pseudo kernel
Triple darkness
lone bridge
lmao
frozen spear
also 35 second dad fight with rd clockets??? what was i doing?
what's expected dad fight with an extreme highroll build
jaunty falcon
Under 30s is really good on eris
Like, ichor stacking epic rd clockets
35s on eris is prob about as good as 30s on beo
frozen spear
beoment
lone bridge
yeah i suppose i had no special damage outside of hs, arty special, and eris buff
so ig it makes sense
frozen spear
imagine not getting like 5 chaos flourishes and ichors like the wr
lone bridge
lmao
left prism
i love panick megging lernie
Mood
left prism
Why the ri2 at 45
hoary pasture
moyai
lone bridge
Why the ri2 at 45
bc i didnt feel like jsing it up
and that was also my pact for 45 zag shield and i didnt feel like changing it
and imo zag bow handles ri2 really well, esp with aphro attack
lone bridge
half heart
Double Edge intensifies 
lone bridge
died to heroes on 45 chiron after no patty
i also got forced into twin shot which as it turns out is an awful hammer if youre trying to play safely
mossy zinc
Twin Shot gud.
stiff aurora
But what if you want to have more range than a spear?
mossy zinc
Then you need to git gud. 
lone bridge
alright time to chiron 50
pseudo kernel
Ew why chiron
lone bridge
le epic meme
itd be so funny if chiron was my second 50
omg no way
i just ap2ed into deadly reversal and divine protection
pseudo kernel
Skill issue
dire steppe
I really don’t like Chiron
It’s probably my least favorite non zag aspect
Bosses are fine but normal rooms just feel way too slow for me
Standing in one place to use the special
lone bridge
welcome to chiron
the aspect with good single target damage
and thats all it has going for it
it cant get aoe without piercing volley lmao
dire steppe
Chiron is like hestia except it isn’t good
Cause at least the base rail special does things to groups of enemies in tart especially with shackle
Maybe I’ve just been doing it wrong, are you supposed to main attack/cast outside of bosses?
left prism
it cant get aoe without piercing volley lmao
Just get styx shredder
Also yeah attack is stilla huge chunk of your dmg, specially with fiery
Or at least speeds uo tart as you can one shot most small mobs
And casting for though armored enemies for boiling blood is a nice help
lone bridge
i just ap2ed into deadly reversal and divine protection
timed out in elysium
i got no free rooms in tart, aspho, or ely
i wouldve won if i had gotten some lmao
because that build was cracked
frozen spear
ely is peak getting hit by nothing and dying biome
lone bridge
ely is peak getting hit by nothing and dying biome
it was more about the zoom
although i did indeed get hit by nothing and still die
frozen spear
oh yeah I loathe that part of exalted warriors
sometimes you touch them and they pinball for no reason
lone bridge
yep lmao
frozen spear
also nice pos attack
forest token
oh homie went flying
frozen spear
pos attack rupture + arty special mark = PS time
lone bridge
ive had 3 or 4 runs die in ely now bc no patty
frozen spear
you basically had patty there tbh
frozen spear
classic
lone bridge
chiron sucks so much lmao
left prism
Just skip c34
frozen spear
patty rule 34??
lone bridge
forest token
neat sonnet
burnt hazel
Wow
upper juniper
Mfw I was playing zag rail and didn’t see spread fire 
frozen spear
theres a reason it has ME wr
fist mains in shambles
lone bridge
true
lone bridge
after chiron i think ill do zag bow
frozen spear
that shouldn't be too hard
lone bridge
then i might have to learn shields
frozen spear
bruh do you have any shield 50
pseudo kernel
chiron before shields
lone bridge
beo 40 harder than eris 50
pseudo kernel
so true
lone bridge
yeah im anti cracked at shields
pancake keeps telling me about how modded zag shield 55 is super ultra easy
and im just like
frozen spear
well zshield 50 is def easy
lone bridge
i cant even do zag shield 45 lol
pseudo kernel
i cant even do zag shield 45 lol
bruh its like 3 buttons
frozen spear
you're an eris main
lone bridge
somehow
frozen spear
you know how to spam 3 buttons max
frozen spear
lmao
lone bridge
holding down attack doesn't count
oh yes it does
frozen spear
fists simulator
lone bridge
i maintain, against all logic, that it counts
frozen spear
lmao
lone bridge
js kinda slog heat ngl
frozen spear
js kinda slog heat ngl <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
wrong
JS = peer pressure value
checkmate
frozen spear
JS3, shoot an enemy then lure it into the rest to let 8x bug kick in
lone bridge
is it weird that that doesnt actually sound like a bad idea
frozen spear
yeah it's weird
lone bridge
have you tried chiron 50?
this aspect is painful
it desperately needs aoe
i dont want to succumb to bad zag bow lmao but its really painful
you have to go into elysium and then pick off rooms one enemy at a time
average ely combat is like 50-60s
frozen spear
tried it once and made it to superdad with 3min left
frozen spear
yep exactly
so I could easy 45 but not 50 yet
I'm sure you can also relate to how I lost about 30s during ely
lone bridge
im now running a js0 pact actually
i was just so sick of ely and rooms taking forever that i just decided to do that
lone bridge
I'm sure you can also relate to how I lost about 30s during ely
let warriors revive?
frozen spear
murdered butterfly ball instantly, last archer literally refused to take the last shot on me
lone bridge
oh that
frozen spear
I hate them so much
lone bridge
yeah archers either murder you or refuse to reset your sd
frozen spear
I don't know if there's some way to manipulate their ai to shoot you
lone bridge
I don't know if there's some way to manipulate their ai to shoot you
clearly getting close to it is not the right idea
also ely witches can be really annoying
youll try to shoot them
and then they move behind a rock
and then you go behind the rock
and they move back
and repeat
anyway im going to go back to suffering
frozen spear
wait that works
lone bridge
yep
frozen spear
huh it does
frozen spear
oh yeah forgot about the dreaded DC2
lone bridge
dc2 gets less bad as the run goes on
really bad in tart bc lots of small enemies
but in like ely its not awful
and ap1 is awesome so yeah
frozen spear
I'll try that pact
lone bridge
ill do it tmrw
i think this pact is the play but im a bit tired of chiron after doing it for like 6 hours today
and i need to wake up early tmrw
errant oasis
have you tried chiron 50?
oh no
i fear for Chiron 50
actually I’ll just fish for Divine Protection like I did on 44
(it almost worked)
pseudo kernel
Divine protection
errant oasis
Look it may seem bad but if you (after having procured Athena dash) fish for Brilliant Riposte it’s actually pretty easy to get
and if you’re using fists it’s even easier
I managed to beat heat 30 feat. Superdad without losing an SD because of that
quartz mantle
Simply play TD0 Chiron
errant oasis
look even if you TRY I doubt a DC2 JS2 run would last 36+ minutes
JS3 potentially but like
you gotta be a real campy mf in that case
pseudo kernel
Is that a challenge
errant oasis
Is that a challenge
dude
quartz mantle
I got a TD1 55 Chiron run all the way to EM4
But I’m not good enough at that fight to last as long as I needed to
errant oasis
oh also is Stubborn Roots viable in EM4
pseudo kernel
Td0 em4 corner strats with stubborn roots is viable imo
quartz mantle
If you’re doing TD0 and your playstyle is a lot slower and you’re able to play the fight carefully over time maybe
But in my experience that’s honestly harder than just bursting him down with a ton of damage
quartz mantle
Well stubborn roots is Demeter + Athena
So maybe you have a lot of chill and deflect
hoary pasture
It's doable
Just feels like too much effort
But idk I havent tried
Tough to play like that for me
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/994330171735810088/Hades_qDKDnTv5NK.png this is my closest attempt to turtling
hoary pasture
Ig if you want to turtle you need something to do the damage for you
While you hold block in a corner
Like Lightning Rod
pseudo kernel
Should've used zeus
hoary pasture
Zeus is better for this yea
lone bridge
actually I’ll just fish for Divine Protection like I did on 44
lol divine protection
i got that on my first ever chiron 50 attempt and i thought it was going to carry me
i timed out in elysium
lone bridge
I'll try that pact
dc2+js=timer problems lol
lone bridge
yeah but that means a really bad pact
bc the game gets actually hard
also tart leave on chiron 50
kinda cracked
pseudo kernel
Chiron best bow confirmed
lone bridge
yep
totally wasnt tidal dash carrying the build on ap2
5:55 aspho leave
there is no way this can get timered
the only way i lose this run is if i just mess up and die
pseudo kernel
Anything is possible in Elysium
lone bridge
this is such a cracked build
well
i should say that this is such a cracked tidal dash
and also quick recovery is very based
pseudo kernel
frozen spear
god damn DC2 sucks without zeus attack
errant oasis
wait
I just realized
doesn;t quick recovery functionally reduce every attack you take by 40% unless said attack kills you?
forest token
yeah
forest token
get potted
frozen spear
regardless it's a strong boon imo particular at epic rarity
frozen spear
yeah it's no RD but it's great when offered alongside standard hermes garbage like flurry cast and swift strike
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/GVACX9F.png AP2 gave me a reddit chaos shield build
lone bridge
https://i.imgur.com/GVACX9F.png AP2 gave me a reddit chaos shield build
are you doing dio chiron?
frozen spear
chaos shield
frozen spear
I hate to say it but this aspect is easily top 10
lone bridge
yeah its a shield lol
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/8y4XvV0.png I love AP2 so much
enjoyable and well designed pact
hoary pasture
Hell yea
pseudo kernel
Th game is forcing you to play chaos the correct way
lone bridge
sometimes racing against the timer is kinda fun
i had a 5:40 tart leave on chiron
that was fun
solemn pulsar
how much damage is that from TD
200
lone bridge
40*5 lmao
pseudo kernel
How much is that
frozen spear
45
lone bridge
also doom special on chiron actually isnt bad lmao
this is really cursed to say but like
it gives the aspect multi target damage
anyway if i dont get it today im not going to do chiron 50 anymore lol
its so painful
forest token
it gives the aspect multi target damage
sounds like budget chaos shield lmao
do chaos shield at 50 lmao
lone bridge
chaos 50 is like 50x easier than chiron 50 lmao
forest token
i thought chaos was considered one of the worst aspects in the game tho what makes it better than chiron here
probably just the fact that it's a shield?
lone bridge
its just a bad zag shield
slap cshot and aphro attack on it and it works
chiron is just
flat out bad
you can play it like bad zag bow but its still really bad there
forest token
fair lmao
lone bridge
the reason chiron is really bad is because it literally has no multi target damage
so the timer is actually a lot of pressure
and clearing rooms is way harder than other aspects
ripe ermine
That’s why I did Zeus for my Chiron 50 clear (Chaos too)
frozen spear
aspects that can tank JS without time failing are great for 50 because clamping down on JS requires some pretty bad pact combos
lone bridge
yep
hence why something like eris makes a pretty great 50 aside from the fact that its not very safe
its very good at dealing with js so it doesnt run into timer issues
chiron is bad at dealing with tart and aspho but it still works
elysium is a real problem for it
after elysium isnt hard bc with a 2 sack a 5m styx dad on em3 is achievable even with a barebones chiron build
either way ive given up on chiron
it was a very achievable 45spect but a near impossible 50spect for my current skill level
ill probably come back to it in the future
nocturne stag
How does Arthur do at 50 heat?
forest token
i heard arthur falls off at higher heat but it might still do decent
solemn pulsar
50 is rough for Arthur
I think it’s solid at 40/45
But you quickly have to make unsavory choices on the pact to hit 50
And all melee weapons struggle at 50
frozen spear
yeah I strongly dislike 50 for arthur
FO2 starts to become an issue with it that isn't there at 40
neat sonnet
doesn’t DC also hurt really bad on arthur?
errant oasis
doesn’t DC also hurt really bad on arthur?
oh for sure
Bar Beo and Rama it does so for all weapons with heavy attacks
I think
maybe guan yu is exempt too
lone bridge
dc pretty bad on beo i thought
pseudo kernel
it is
solemn pulsar
DC on Arthur is like on Hestia
But Arthur is way worse than hestia so extra struggles
bronze rapids
dc pretty bad on beo i thought
It's bad but not a total bog like with Hestia because the regular attack and rush are 2 separate hits, so your cast damage isn't lost, especially after you get snow burst
half heart
I myself like Arthur - I like being tank once in a while
errant oasis
the weapons where I feel that DC is the least punishing just so happen to be most long range ones (Chiron and Hestia) and all gun aspects
though I s’pose it isn’t bad on fist aspects bar Gilga
(which is why I dropped gilga)
frozen spear
the weapons where I feel that DC is the least punishing just so happen to be mos...
no
DC is devastating on hestia
literally the worst possible pact out of all of them for that aspect
pseudo kernel
DC is devastating on hestia
Just use lightning strike
frozen spear
Just use lightning strike
can't, I'm not skilled enough
pseudo kernel
L
lone bridge
yeah dc is like the worst pact on hestia and is pretty bad on chiron
hexed sapphire
just play hestia like bad zag
pseudo kernel
Better zag actually
pseudo kernel
Yes
upper juniper
It is a strict upgrade over chaos
frozen spear
unique zephyr
60 heat Hestia uses RI3 over DC2 (uses DC0 instead)
frozen spear
can someone go to hades.fandom.com and try to search something
unique zephyr
That’s how bad DC is for Hestia, that you’d rather hope for Hermes to be kind or just do single dash gaming the whole way through
bronze rapids
oh hey I almost didn't recognize you bc you're no longer Lemm
hexed sapphire
can someone go to hades.fandom.com and try to search something
probably clicked on that https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/484172311910547485/1002010134953861130/unknown.png
wait no you didn't
did you click on global search or something
frozen spear
it looks like when you're on hades.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_Wiki it searches through all fandoms for no good reason
but on other pages it doesn't
hexed sapphire
shield of the maiden in hades goes crazy!
lone bridge
https://i.imgur.com/4fUtbM5.png wtf
yeah fandom sucks because of this
dapper schooner
Just use lightning strike
thats a good strategy
neat sonnet
lightning strike hestia go brr clearly
flat flicker
lightning strike hestia go brr clearly
Chad drunken strike hestia
neat sonnet
monkaS
errant oasis
so like
as a result of my last run
I would like to posit the following question:
with TD3, is fighting Charon in Tartarus a good idea
(I had Chiron with Art Special and Athena Dash)
(I timed out at Tis)
(She didn’t even touch me)
forest token
Tbh I don't think so, fighting Charon is a time waste to begin with but obv if you're good enough you'll be fine
Thing is tho you can have a perfect fight against him but since it's a tart fight it'll just take a while
errant oasis
Tbh I don't think so, fighting Charon is a time waste to begin with but obv if y...
I got hit one (1) time to reset SD so you’re probably right
wait what
Charon is a waste of time anyway?
I thought 300 + Membership card was good
Especially on CF2
frozen spear
depending on the heat and your current build charon is rarely a good fight
if I had hestia epic aphro attack + ddash and it was still lower heat like 40 or less I'd consider it
frozen spear
then I wouldn't touch charon with a ten foot pole
errant oasis
I thought it was Hestia Dio with Stygian
frozen spear
keep in mind we're talking about hestia the gun not hera the bow
errant oasis
I am foolish
frozen spear
although incidentally dio is not good with hera either, aphro cast is much much better
errant oasis
alright Hestia aphro sounds about right
errant oasis
although incidentally dio is not good with hera either, aphro cast is much much ...
really?
frozen spear
yeah crush shot is the hera meta
errant oasis
doesn’t Stygian soul make up for the long time for which fog is out?
frozen spear
it does but if you don't get extra casts from chaos or arty you're screwed
hoary pasture
Trippy Flare is much more inconsistent and it's actually hard to control and not that fast
On Hera that is
frozen spear
crush shot is good because if you never even see chaos in the run you'll still do well
also chiron is a pretty ballsy high heat aspect
have you done 45 with anything else?
errant oasis
no
well, it’s not really 45, it’s just 41 with superdad at the end
For whom I’m planning to just flail around and pray
frozen spear
oh yikes, good luck with that
chiron is better than average at taking on superdad but he's still very unpleasant
hoary pasture
Whats your current heat pb
frozen spear
let's see your 45 pact then
errant oasis
TL5 LC3 CF2 JS1 EM4 BP2 MM1 UC1 FO2 HS1 DC2 TD3
left prism
with TD3, is fighting Charon in Tartarus a good idea
I've done it for the laughs on 32 heat but unless i had a busted build i normally wont do it
frozen spear
TL5 LC3 CF2 JS1 EM4 BP2 MM1 UC1 FO2 HS1 DC2 TD3
crank LC all the way to 4
hoary pasture
Ah yes TL5
frozen spear
tight labor
flat flicker
Yeah it’s off meta to take another challenging fight but if you can beat Charon at heat 
errant oasis
crank LC all the way to 4
See I wanted to
But then I realized with what I had I could take one off
I was debating between taking off TL, LC or HS
but if I took of HS it would take longer to kill myself
frozen spear
you're on chiron so taking off JS would be best
errant oasis
really?
I find that JS isn’t really noticeable where it should make a difference (Elysium)
oh I just walked into the goofy ahh skull room
I’m not playing this
frozen spear
JS is always problematic on chiron even if you don't actively notice it
hoary pasture
Chiron can have time issues
Because it sucks at aoe
Especially when you have EM4
Time can be a problem
left prism
oh I just walked into the goofy ahh skull room
Oops, all numbskulls!
pseudo kernel
Hmm yes chiron hl5 em4 fo2 lc4 pact very good
lone bridge
I find that JS isn’t really noticeable where it should make a difference (Elysiu...
chiron handles js the worst out of any aspect
hoary pasture
Hmm yes chiron hl5 em4 fo2 lc4 pact very good
I cleared it so it’s probably gud
That’s how that works
pseudo kernel
Nourished soul
left prism
Nourished soul has uses!?
lone bridge
my chiron 45 was js2 em3 cp1 ri0 dc0 ap1 pl
shy gulch
nourished soul is usable just play below like 32 heat
mossy zinc
Nourished Soul can't be purged. Proof Nourished Soul is priceless.
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/kEIb76G.png not even close
lone bridge
wtf is 4:25?
lone bridge
in my defense I got hammer c10
oh ok lol
er or cshot?
also where zeus on the special
frozen spear
you're gonna hate me for this
frozen spear
I'm playing zeus as bad zag since I know I can 50
lone bridge
are you kidding
frozen spear
lmao
lone bridge
jesus christ
frozen spear
also my special spawnkilled a dracon so I like this aspect already
lone bridge
zeus actually has a good special and youre just going to completely ignore it
lone bridge
also my special spawnkilled a dracon so I like this aspect already
so based
dracons are one of the worst enemies in this game
and for some reason they can get slugger
lone bridge
slugger dracons are honestly terrifying
upper juniper
The special is autonomous damage compared to zag shield not having that
lone bridge
almost as bad as slugger slam dancers which instantly pop your sd without warning
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/eMCTtq8.png this is why we run zeus
pseudo kernel
You should use shackle to get some 60 dmg shields
frozen spear
ok
lone bridge
true tbh
lone bridge
doing 45 zag shield and its so painful bc im at furies and still dont have hammer
frozen spear
tbh non cshot loses so much time I'd just reset
frozen spear
bro I am so sick of asterius phasing through shield
lone bridge
ok why is zag shield literally harder than chiron
frozen spear
@upper juniper how on earth would hades spear 50 even work
frozen spear
I can see the win condition for zspear being highroll explosive + charged skewer
hm
forest token
flurry jab etc
you can't get flurry jab with hades spear i thought
lone bridge
oh damn it not again
frozen spear
yeah that's the issue
upper juniper
Artemis attack and aphrodite special go for heart rend? Or explosive + charged skewer
lone bridge
ive made this mistake like 5 times now
upper juniper
Yeah you can’t get flurry jab on hades
forest token
this just sounds like budget guan yu
lone bridge
it is
forest token
heck yeah buddy
frozen spear
we have guan yu at home
hexed sapphire
you don't have half hp so it's actually op
lone bridge
i might go for high heat gy tbh
frozen spear
it's weird
if dad is chilled then it's brainless tbh as long as you play defensively
but little slipups that are forgivable on other aspects even at 50 aren't there for gy
frozen spear
lol
lone bridge
what
frozen spear
wait was that not a joke
upper juniper
Optimal guan-yu is super soaker
lone bridge
isnt pos special the best special for gy lol
frozen spear
wtf who told you that
hexed sapphire
What
lone bridge
how is it not
hexed sapphire
How does that make any sense
lone bridge
its second highest % special + knockback = ez
lone bridge
yeah but you cant get hit if stuff isnt near you
hexed sapphire
dio special because hangover is overpowered
lone bridge
weak is only like 10% though right
upper juniper
weak is only like 10% though right
30%
lone bridge
wait what
upper juniper
lone bridge
i could have sworn it was 10%
lone bridge
did i?
hexed sapphire
I mean common broken resolve is +10% i guess ..?
upper juniper
I believe it was you
shy plinth
You asked about it over the weakend
lone bridge
also wtf does "at least" mean
lone bridge
You asked about it over the weakend
nice lol
hexed sapphire
also wtf does "at least" mean
Broken resolve lol
hexed sapphire
Bruh
shy plinth
Isn't aphro special also a large damage number
lone bridge
yeah so is pos special
80% vs 70%
god high heat is so boring
back to tart resets
frozen spear
weak is only like 10% though right
bruh
frozen spear
upper juniper
Lets gooooo
frozen spear
@lone bridge oh yeah one more thing but this pact allowing PL0 is unironically nice
auto defense is legit nice to have even if PL is definitely worth less than 1 heat
next acorn
https://i.imgur.com/pCj39AX.png lmao
cursed
neat sonnet
https://i.imgur.com/pCj39AX.png lmao
keep going, I want to see 1/3 of the aspects on here by the end of next month
frozen spear
how do aphro and arty compare for zrail 50
I like aphro usually but zrail needing early hammer means that already throws out a lot of attempts so don't wanna induce even more tart resets
lone bridge
yeah but crits fun
frozen spear
k aphro gaming it is
started with hammer, took chaos, landed in speeder cloner witches room
god I hate BP
neat sonnet
rip in pepperoni
keen quiver
what heat should I choose for 16 heat? currently thinking tight deadline 2, extreme measures 2, middle management, underworld customs, benefits package 2 and im not sure about the last one, I'm thinking either convenience fee or lasting consequences.
keen quiver
kinda scared of extreme measures 3
I'll check it out tomorrow, I'll try a run with just extreme measures 3 to see how it goes, but thanks a lot!
shy plinth
It's an adjustment but heat gotta come from somewhere and it's a pretty low impact 3 heat compared to other choices
Many in here recommend against it if you're on fists, but I'm a firm believer in just getting used to it
frozen spear
EM asterius is awful on melee aspects
shy plinth
Eh I dunno about AWFUL, but yeah he hits hard
If you have a clean fight it's more about the time aspect
Can't hit him at all while he's being helicopter meatloaf
keen quiver
No way im gonna use fists or sword
I'll be using zeus shield 😎
Started a run with it earlier today, I had just beaten asterius
Actually the most fun aspect I've played with.
forest token
em3 asterius can beyblade you if you're not paying enough attention with melee weapons lol
obv just wait it out but still a bunch of damage if you're not careful
devout quiver
Let it rip 
ashen garnet
I'll be using zeus shield 😎
Beware, as block is not that reliable
bronze rapids
no block 4 u
mossy zinc
what heat should I choose for 16 heat? currently thinking tight deadline 2, extr...
LC2 RI4 TD3. 
shy plinth
Don't listen to her! She's devious!
frozen spear
what heat should I choose for 16 heat? currently thinking tight deadline 2, extr...
8 heat setup + RI4
same argument applies for people looking to clear 40, take 32 heat pact and add RI4
pseudo kernel
What if my 32 pact already has ri4
lone bridge
then do ri8
errant oasis
I got to phase 3 of superdad for my 45 heat run
THANKS FOR NOTHING PATRO
I couldn’t even find the REGULAR TOUCH OF STYX ANYWHERE
And
To make it worse
Dad avoided Arty’s greater call by disappearing the MOMENT I FIRED IT
my crits were doing crazy damage that run- clean kill, Heart rend, and a couple of miscellaneous stuff like chaos- so that could’ve been IT
devout quiver
"nothing personal my kid"
keen quiver
LC2 RI4 TD3. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
I have no idea what that is
forest token
the abbreviations are in the pins
keen quiver
Thanks
forest token
but that's lasting consequences, routine inspection, and tight deadline
frozen spear
yep as long as you're not dilly dallying around without pausing
frozen spear
lol that part's a joke, RI4 is the single most devastating pact in the game
keen quiver
Ok lol
hexed sapphire
lol that part's a joke, RI4 is the single most devastating pact in the game
Just learn the entire game without ever speccing into mirror
mossy zinc
Who's joking?
hexed sapphire
RI4 LC4 😈
mossy zinc
The question was "what heat should I choose for 16 heat?"
Obviously the answer to that is LC2 RI4 TD3.
keen quiver
Does LC impact the game a lot?
If I only choose 1 LC, will it impact the game more than 1 HL?
hoary pasture
ig depends on how good you are
But LC4 vs LC0 is a different playstyle
Because you use SD
I’m not a fan of using LC as a filler heat
LC0 or LC4 no in betweens
frozen spear
although I believe LC is superior to HL
as use for filler
since LC doesn't affect dad fight
hoary pasture
Well it affects it because entering the fight with 200 hp is not the same as entering the fight with 150 hp
RI2 AP2 don’t affect the dad fight either
errant oasis
If I only choose 1 LC, will it impact the game more than 1 HL?
I like HL more as a heat
But it really depends on how much you want healing/if you want to use SD
ashen garnet
Dad avoided Arty’s greater call by disappearing the MOMENT I FIRED IT
The absolute classic 👌
hoary pasture
moyai
dire steppe
I use SD even with LC0
flat flicker
If I only choose 1 LC, will it impact the game more than 1 HL?
HL will be less impactful. But LC4 is worth practicing; I did a bunch of 20 heat runs with it before i used it for 32 before I got washed up
hexed sapphire
Routine inspection is the best filler heat tbh
mossy zinc
RI4 allows you to submit to the mirrorless leaderboard.
devout quiver
Ezgame
mossy zinc
I've tried dying instead
Yeah, that's not a good strategy.
keen quiver
Should I try 20 or 24 heat now? I just completed 32 heat yesterday
gaunt fiber
next step is 40
keen quiver
oh wait im stupid
i mean i just completed 16 heat yesterday
just tried 32 heat
got to elysium
mossy zinc
got to elysium
If you can make it to Elysium, you can win with a bit more practice or better luck and maybe changing strategy a bit.
neat sonnet
yeah change strats as in change to ri4
lone bridge
@frozen spear luci is fine with dc2 right
frozen spear
yeah I think so for 40
frozen spear
your triples might get whacked every once in a while but usually your attack strips DCs first
it's slightly unoptimal for lucy but not a big deal
pseudo kernel
also is it weird to do hell mode at 40
yes
frozen spear
less unoptimal than for other aspects since lucy has no issues with JS
so only CP is sus
frozen spear
looks good
frozen spear
might as well JS2 CF0 though
lone bridge
lol
frozen spear
lol epic
pseudo kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1004116194007199774/...
take hs
hoary pasture
JS0 CF0 AP1 for real gamers
pseudo kernel
cf0
hoary pasture
no HS
frozen spear
lucy kinda sticky though
lone bridge
yeah hs bad
pseudo kernel
coward
frozen spear
tbh given your skill level I don't think there's any need for HS
40 and 41 are basically identical so passing up HS won't ruin you assuming you don't get potted
and you avoid the chance of having your career instantly ended
pseudo kernel
getting potted is a skill issue
hoary pasture
To me HS is the same as HL and LC
frozen spear
getting potted is a skill issue
yes and
lone bridge
getting potted is awful
frozen spear
just get the boons
hoary pasture
I don't think avoiding pots on normal dad is that hard
frozen spear
it's not but sometimes you just start throwing
frozen spear
pots spooky
pseudo kernel
turn the downgrade into an upgrade
you are now playing hunting blades or meme beam
jaunty falcon
LETS GOOOOO
hoary pasture
force Aphro for cold embrace
jaunty falcon
YEEEEEESSSS
lone bridge
yo wait a minute
frozen spear
make a meme beam build so you can post your beam^2 build on reddit
pseudo kernel
yeah
frozen spear
bruh
lone bridge
lmao
jaunty falcon
No
lone bridge
im doing it
jaunty falcon
Take sunken treasure
frozen spear
wait is the plan force pos and sell zeus attack
pseudo kernel
it could be
lone bridge
i died to meg bc i suck
frozen spear
with triple?
lone bridge
yeah
frozen spear
bruh how
lone bridge
she kept dashing away from them
jaunty falcon
Veug
lone bridge
id lay them down and tshed dash out of the way instantly
frozen spear
bruh
frozen spear
vrej
pseudo kernel
js, hs tsf hgd ks mdu
lone bridge
its ok ill get it this time
jaunty falcon
js, hs tsf hgd ks mdu
Same
pseudo kernel
rdlg;
hoary pasture
i died to meg bc i suck
frozen spear
js, hs tsf hgd ks mdu
jury summons
heightened security
tisifone
high gonfidence
kharged shot
idk