is rail the gun
#h1-for-new-players
torpid basalt
dusty vault
Ye
torpid basalt
i still needa get the fists n the rail
dusty vault
The cast is also quite fun with the 2nd aspect of the spear
torpid basalt
ill do a run rn actually and see how many keys i can get
dusty vault
If you have the spare you can trade gems at the lounge too
torpid basalt
the shield does not feel balanced lmao
although i got a dadelus thing giving me 500% dmg on my charged atk with it
sweet brook
not balanced as in underwhelming or too strong
green gate
So do I take gods legacy or gods pride?
rain silo
How do players handle large swarms of projectiles when using the bow or gun? With the other weapons, I can attack the projectiles to deflect or at least destroy them, but these two weapons seem too slow to make that an option. Do I need to just get better at dodging attacks throughout a room?
dusty vault
How do players handle large swarms of projectiles when using the bow or gun? Wi...
Use special on bow, on rail pretty sure attack still can clear some bullets but practicing to iframe with dash/use cover helps a lot yeah
Or otherwise can dos before they shoot/use some deflect boon like Athena cast
dusty vault
So do I take gods legacy or gods pride?
Pride is generally better but if you really need a duo/legendary to work go legacy (and even then some builds like merciful end really like epic doom or hermes rarity so you still go pride)
rain silo
Sounds like these two weapons end up being pretty boon-based, then?
steep musk
all the weapons are pretty boon based
hestia rail and some of the bow aspects are actually some of the best for boonless runs
dusty vault
Turns out the game is kinda balanced around having boons
rain silo
I get that, but it doesn't feel like I've ever really needed specific ones for most weapons. I've beaten the game with a few punishments with most weapons all before getting my first win with the bow.
dusty vault
Just a good attack (aphro/artemis most of the time) and at least 1 hammer is enough
Or as above mentioned is one of the best weapons for boonless
Just use shackle for a 100% dmg boost and gud hammers and done
median cedar
hmm
sweet brook
I get that, but it doesn't feel like I've ever really needed specific ones for m...
to be fair, at low ||heat||, you can get away with using non-optimal builds and weird combos
it's more of when you go higher that specific ones are needed
like yeah it's definitely possible to win with using a wacky build that is terrible and takes half an hour to clear, but eventually you'll have to optimize it better
random copper
i can relate very much - at low ||heat|| (where i am) you don't really need any organized build or style, you really just pick whatever is helpful in your case. but as you progress in ||heat ||levels, you'll begin to need to up your game a little and start use strategy and pairing boons to make some pretty decent damage
sweet brook
spoiler ||heat|| here
random copper
gotta remember that
lol
i'm using chaos aspect lvl. 3 with curse of pain
looking for dread flight hammer
sweet brook
i think zeus or dionysus on your special would be better
zeus for more lightning bolts hitting a target if you point blank it, dionysus can just stack the hangover
dusty vault
i think zeus or dionysus on your special would be better
Point blank doesnt do anything
Zeus has internal cooldowns
sweet brook
oh does it
random copper
oh?
dusty vault
Same reason for chiron + thunder flourish not being the best
dusty vault
oh does it
O.2 secs for special
sweet brook
damn i remember seeing somewhere that zeus was good with chaos but guess not
dusty vault
Double strike ignores this iirc
sweet brook
what's good with chaos then?
dusty vault
damn i remember seeing somewhere that zeus was good with chaos but guess not
Its still good, just not point blank
sweet brook
ah fair
dusty vault
If you get Charged shot you can always ignore the aspect gimmick and run a good % boo on aggack
random copper
i like using curse of pain with battle rage and impending doom
always works for me
dusty vault
Battle rage 
random copper
and with minotaur rush and dread flight for hammers
very effective for ||jury summons|| or ||calisthenics programs maybe but idk||
dusty vault
I mean is a 100%-200% dmg buff to a 15 base dmg
random copper
for what?
dusty vault
Shield special does 15 base dmg
dusty vault
Ye
random copper
yeah
sweet brook
wouldn't increasing flat damage be better for special, so battle rage isn't really that effective
dusty vault
Pretty much
random copper
but if you combine that with curse of pain, factor in impending doom and you get another 67%-ish dmg buff with doom
i think
dusty vault
Doom is great in that, is just the battle rage that pretty much stands out as doing way less
sweet brook
well the doom damage is flat damage but i think the issue with that is it takes a bit to activate
random copper
well just wait
sweet brook
although dire misfortune would be good with your build
random copper
impending doom is just half a second of wait
plus like 1.5 seconds base wait time?
sweet brook
i mean yeah
idk ares on chaos shield just seems weird
esp if you're not going for merciful end
unless you are and didn't mention it lol
random copper
merciful end is ares + athena right?
where your deflect attacks automatically trigger doom
sweet brook
yeah
i mean honestly doesn't seem like a bad idea if you put it on your attack since athena's attack is a pretty good buff but i dont remember how much base attack with shield is
random copper
recently i've been experimenting with achilles ||ice laser|| on spear but i could never get ||glacial glare|| or ||cold embrace|| :(((
dusty vault
||dem boons|| are spoilers here, also why ||cold embrace?||
sweet brook
spoilers buddy lmao
random copper
i mix those two up a lot
ok
so what do i have to put between ||
are there parameters here?
or
what
i'm looking at pinned messages
sweet brook
just anything that involves ||demeter||
dusty vault
Anything past the final boss is considered spoiler
random copper
oh
dusty vault
Is in the channel description
random copper
ok
sweet brook
oh that's what you mean lmao
random copper
well idk cuz if you don't defeat the final boss but reach him anyhow, you still get demeter
but sry
i'll make a mental note
dusty vault
Thats still past the final boss basically
random copper
mm i guess
dusty vault
Same reason why name/changes of hidden aspects are considered spoilers
random copper
makes sense
speaking of hidden aspects, i need to figure out how to use ||guan yu|| without dying
topaz jasper
speaking of hidden aspects, i need to figure out how to use ||guan yu|| without ...
the secret is maxing it out, aphrodite special, ||charged skewer||
then ||guan yu|| becomes one of the safest aspects
scarlet elk
is there a comparison between each ||aspect of the infernal arms?||
slate briar
From what I've read on this forum so far (spoilers!):
||
Pro-tier (often used for speedrun / high heat)
Hestia, Beowulf, hera
High tier (good at speedrun / high heat)
Nemesis, eris, demeter, Achilles, rama, Poseidon , zag bow, zeus
Mid (good for casual play but weaker than above)
Arthur, hades, Lucifer, chiron, talos
Low (difficult to use + gimmicky / not rewarding enough)
Zag aspects other than bow, guan yu, gilgamesh, chaos
||
dusty vault
||Guan yu|| and zag aspects like shield/rail are also good, rail also has the benefit to run spread fire thanks to the ammo bonus
Charged shot exists for shields and is kind a way too good 
Just that resetting for it is pain, and hidden spear really wants a hammer and a good % boon and thats it
scarlet elk
From what I've read on this forum so far (spoilers!):
||
Pro-tier (often used fo...
is there any reasons for these placements?
slate finch
yes
scarlet elk
i know theres a reason
i shouldve said
what is the reason
or like
the weaknesses and of them
slate finch
you can probably just search the name up on this server and you should get all of them
scarlet elk
ok
viscid notch
Good to know that the list up there isn't 100% accurate
And you wont find one that is
Because tier lists cant cover everything in every context
scarlet elk
aight
slate finch
look at speedrun.com, see what they're using, and look at the ||high heat|| leaderboards, see what they're using
that should give you an approximate tier list
(||beowulf|| is the best one)
slate finch
(in my opinion)
i mean it's great for speedruns, great for ||heat||, incredibly easy to play, simple builds, easiest bossfights in the game
slate finch
i mean hestia and ||rama|| are contenders but they both have very steep skill curves + don't benefit as much from wells and chaos
dusty vault
??? Hestia and hidden bow both really benefit from Chaos
Attack/dash strike/special (last one for hestia)
slate finch
% boons for cast and +bloodstones are very very good
didn't say hesty and ||rama|| don't benefit, just not as much
gray haven
is there a comparison between each ||aspect of the infernal arms?||
If you're wondering what to unlock or upgrade, this might be of help. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png
slate briar
is there any reasons for these placements?
I just made that up just now based on things the above people have said in other threads (they are the experts not me).
|| Like Mike said an objective tier list isn't possible, and the comparison depends on your skill level and what you're trying to achieve.
E.g. nemesis is one if my favourites, but I have a really bad record with it because at low skill it's quite hard to play safe (not get hit).
Whereas Achilles was super strong straight away, i think because it rewards very basic play (spam attack and remember to press special sometimes) and because it's a spear you can attack from a relatively safe range, just watching out for more obvious long-range enemy attacks ||
torpid basalt
question
If you're a spear/sword user is it better to give aphrodite nectar for a chance to get her dash or poseidon for his dash
topaz jasper
If you're a spear/sword user is it better to give aphrodite nectar for a chance ...
just give nectar to both, nectar is cheap and you want all the keepsakes
torpid basalt
alright
gray haven
If you're a spear/sword user is it better to give aphrodite nectar for a chance ...
Follow this guide. https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
proud summit
How much time do I have to clear the encounter for the Lambet Plume to work?
sweet brook
How much time do I have to clear the encounter for the Lambet Plume to work?
i dont know the exact numbers, but whenever you start an encounter, there's a small timer on the left side underneath your keepsake that'll show you how much time you have left
proud summit
Neat
polar finch
it also varies by encounter anyways
warm flower
Is hades on nintendo switch playable?
quick drum
yes
warm flower
good
full estuary
the pain when it happens cause i think "THIS IS IT!" and then i just get too over confident and wind up dying to really dumb stuff
time with dusa and cerberus is always a fast pick me up after death though
frosty girder
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929366230836600885/978634464097882162/2...
||About heat I recommend you go up 1 at a time in order to maximise the amount of bounties you get.||
faint umbra
||you get the same amount of bounties even if you go straight to 20 and leave it there, so im confused about what you mean||
topaz jasper
on the flip side I think it's worth to ||turn on some of the standard pacts early on to get used to them, even if that means jumping more than 1 heat||
eg ||TD2 (later TD3), FO1 (later FO2), BP1 (later BP2), MM||
calm imp
overtime ||FO2|| should be the norm
calm imp
😩
hard cedar
hii so i've beaten hades twice and i gave ambrosia to Charon but I've looked it up and i don't understand if we're supposed to get a bonus or smth for it ?
topaz jasper
hii so i've beaten hades twice and i gave ambrosia to Charon but I've looked it ...
most characters don't give anything extra beyond the first nectar
||six do, they give you companions for the first ambrosia||
hard cedar
okay thanks !
dusty vault
If you get max ambrosia they also ha e cute little stickers whe checking which one to choose
But yeah just cosmetic
torpid basalt
Follow this guide. <:dusa:522248771409543188> https://twitter.com/dianaii__/stat...
also i tried looking at that link but i couldnt find anything that looked like a hades guide
nvm i just realized its a joke
idek who that pink hair person is tho i dont think im well enough into the game
muted pivot
its aphrodite
calm imp
weak is good
and she gives the most in the game in terms of raw %
like epic aphro attack giving 100% dmg? 🙏
topaz jasper
her boons seem so weak to me
she's easily in the top tier of gods
for my money I rank her first overall ignoring hermes and chaos
torpid basalt
fr?
i never realized
but i keep getting rlly random boons from her i havent gotten anything that buffs atk from her yet
sweet brook
i'm fairly certain aphrodite has the largest percent modifier for damage
and her cast is like the second highest behind dionysus but you dont have to wait to pick up the cast
torpid basalt
I really like what ares gives
like the doom thing
is it actually good or is it just me thinking its good
sweet brook
it's good for some builds
if you're going for doom, it's (generally) best paired with athena for the duo boon merciful end
torpid basalt
i mainly use spear sword and shield still havent figured out which one i like the most yet
calm imp
merciful end makes doom rlly good
torpid basalt
oh yea i just unlocked the book for boons today so now i can get those
well i couldve gotten it before but i dont like googling
sweet brook
the only time doom is usable without merciful end is if it's the revenge boon i think
torpid basalt
also like the wine god's cast boon is sooo op
i only got a rare version of it and i had the shield
sweet brook
merciful end works pretty well with the sword
torpid basalt
what does it do
sweet brook
as soon as you hit an enemy with something that deflects, the doom activates immediately
so with sword, you'd put doom on your attack and athena on your special and dash
to activate ME you need ares and athena on your attack and special, the dash is the one that'll make it proc more often
torpid basalt
ohh ok ill try it on my next run
calm imp
athena dash with ME is damn good
torpid basalt
i have both their artifact things so i can somewhat guarantee getting that
athena dash in general feels op to me
calm imp
ur attack gives doom, and then ur dash makes it so doom procs right away, as with sword ur mainly using dash attacks
sweet brook
ME is a good duo boon for fists and sword since it's just mainly dash attacks basically
although i'd say that if you dont get athena dash with ME with fists you're more screwed
torpid basalt
do u guys have like a ranking or smtn for the normal aspects
i want something nice for my spear n sword
i got the achilles one for my spear alr and im wondering if it was a mistake
sweet brook
i dont personally have one since i dont really use all of the aspects (or spear at all) but others have some sort of list
calm imp
for spear ive been having so much fun with achilles, its prob my fav aspect rn even tho i suck with it
and its good
sweet brook
yeah i heard achilles is a good aspect
calm imp
for sword nemesis is considered the best but its pretty hard to use
poseidon is also solid for cast builds
sweet brook
poseidon has good chunk potential
torpid basalt
how big is the gap between ||arthur on the sword|| and nemesis
calm imp
spoiler the hidden sword
torpid basalt
kk
calm imp
but ||arthur|| is good until u get to the late game where it falls off
sweet brook
||arthur|| is just slow and takes getting used to, but it's not bad
slap aphrodite attack on it and you're fine pretty much
torpid basalt
is it considered better or worse than nemesis
calm imp
its considered worse
sweet brook
prob worse
calm imp
but its still good
torpid basalt
oh ok nice
calm imp
its only worse when u get to the late game
calm imp
tbh take what i say with a grain of salt, im prob not the most qualified
sweet brook
different learning curves, difficulty, and late game usage
torpid basalt
oh ok
sweet brook
tbh take what i say with a grain of salt, im prob not the most qualified
same except even more salt with me lmao i'm fairly new to this server but not this game and turns out i've been doing a lot of things wrong
torpid basalt
do yall ever just get rlly bad boons
and just know ur not getting far at all with em
sweet brook
do yall ever just get rlly bad boons
if it's ||low heat|| then i just say whatever and still be fine, but if it's not, i just go as far as possible even though it's not gonna end well
sweet brook
some mirror upgrades reduce the rng involved
doesn't the mirror only effect rarity stuff, not like bad boons themselves
calm imp
rerolls
torpid basalt
is ur mirror maxed?
nah not even close
i need 10 keys to unlock the next part of the mirror if that gives u a reference
topaz jasper
what does that unlock
torpid basalt
new part of mirror
topaz jasper
yeah but like what perks
sweet brook
deep pockets and thick skin
torpid basalt
i have no idea
topaz jasper
I remember almost feeling helpless early on in hell mode with 50 hp and bad aspects
sweet brook
starting money is also nice so you can actually buy stuff from midshop in tartarus
torpid basalt
im still tryna do my like first escape
topaz jasper
shield time?
calm imp
oh
topaz jasper
k get thick skin
calm imp
wait u have ||arthur|| this early?
sweet brook
i think he just knew about it and wanted to talk about it
calm imp
oh
topaz jasper
then trade gems for keys so you can rush the 20 key part of the mirror
torpid basalt
a friend of mine just told me
topaz jasper
that unlocks two broken parts of the mirror
sweet brook
yes
topaz jasper
yep
calm imp
yeah
topaz jasper
you got two dashes yet?
torpid basalt
yeah
sweet brook
death defiance is easily one of the best things for newer players on the mirror
torpid basalt
and the only like ||alternate|| mirror ability thing I've leveled so far is the one that gives u hp based on the dark stuff
calm imp
the only thing that rlly costs a lot of darkness on the mirror is the very last upgrade
torpid basalt
500 alr seems like a lot to me
sweet brook
and the only like ||alternate|| mirror ability thing I've leveled so far is the ...
getting hp from darkness isnt a great one
torpid basalt
how much is that upgrade?
calm imp
the last one?
torpid basalt
yea
calm imp
it goes up by the thousands iirc
sweet brook
i was gonna say by thousands as well yeah
torpid basalt
getting hp from darkness isnt a great one
wait rlly?
which alternate ones are worth it
if any
sweet brook
i think for the most part, most of the red mirror upgrades are generally pretty good
sweet brook
base
torpid basalt
oh
topaz jasper
pretty much all the non bottom mirrors favor red in early game
so yeah don't worry about the greens until you reach ||privileged status and olympian favor||
sweet brook
wait rlly?
it's just not consistent, you're not gonna see darkness that often and you only get like idk 10 per room each time
torpid basalt
the magma one i find really hard though because it lags out my pc really bad
calm imp
family fav, dark foresight and fated persuasion are the better green mirrors.
sweet brook
and then you get like a bit of hp from that, while you can get a 1/2/3 hp per room you walk into with the base upgrade
topaz jasper
also the fourth biome absolutely loves cthonic vitality over dark regen
sweet brook
you already have a fountain tho
torpid basalt
wait fury isnt a spoiler is it?
torpid basalt
you already have a fountain tho
u underestimate my power to take hits
calm imp
fiery presence and gods' legacy being better depends on aspect
sweet brook
wait fury isnt a spoiler is it?
nah, just anything after end boss
torpid basalt
i didnt even know that existed
topaz jasper
whoever they may be
torpid basalt
lmao
sweet brook
which you haven't seen yet, so there's not much you can censor
sweet brook
play and find out lol
torpid basalt
or like had a new game + where u could keep grinding idk
topaz jasper
the final boss is ||skelly||
sweet brook
lmfao
calm imp
in fact i would argue beating the game once unlocks the true game
sweet brook
yeah
calm imp
ok maybe thats not the best way to put it but uh
sweet brook
just play more and get better lmao
torpid basalt
you like the shield?
I like it a little bit but I have more fun with sword and spear
calm imp
shield and bow r usually the most common first completions from what ive seen
torpid basalt
sword is like my absolute favourite tbh
sweet brook
shield is op for first completions imo
we just talked about getting ME with sword a bit earlier so he said he was gonna try that next
calm imp
sword is rlly hard to play
topaz jasper
for first completions ||arthur|| is probably the best tbh
sweet brook
based
topaz jasper
since it's low skill and consistent
torpid basalt
for first completions ||arthur|| is probably the best tbh
wait why is that spoilered
is it a weapon
like a normal weapon
topaz jasper
aspect
calm imp
hidden aspect
torpid basalt
oh ok
sweet brook
but either way, ME with sword is very doable to beat the game
torpid basalt
also im running out of people to give nectar to
topaz jasper
you have to be good at dash striking though
torpid basalt
any suggestions other than the gods?
topaz jasper
otherwise sword sucks big ass
torpid basalt
im on biome 3 again
topaz jasper
anyone you don't have keepsake from
calm imp
sword's usual combo for attacking is
dash strike -> dash strike -> speical
torpid basalt
does achilles ever accept a nectar
calm imp
and repeat
topaz jasper
yep
topaz jasper
but his keepsake kinda sucks imo
sweet brook
option is never there tho
should be there if you walk up to him
cerberus also gives one
nyx as well i believe
calm imp
everyone does
torpid basalt
nyx was the first one i gave a nectar
idk why
i also gave hades one thinking smtn cool would happen
but no he just took it
topaz jasper
also pro tip if you can't give a character something because they're with someone else in the house, you can leave and come back
then they'll accept one
torpid basalt
also pro tip if you can't give a character something because they're with someon...
like die and come back
or leave the room
sweet brook
everyone you can talk to gives nectar
topaz jasper
no just leave the room
sweet brook
i didn't know about that either and i've maxed out all my keepsakes lmao
torpid basalt
lmao
gray haven
the only time doom is usable without merciful end is if it's the revenge boon i ...
Doom is already very powerful on its own.
sweet brook
i mean doom itself is very strong, it's just that in overall builds, there's not much use for it other than merciful end imo
vagrant badge
i don't like wasting rooms on poms unless i buy one from a shop or something
i prefer boonmaxxing
polar finch
not really a waste when sometimes poms are better than useless boons
topaz jasper
but it's curse of longing
tbh I think the only use of it is if you have a really bizarre build and need weak + doom for PS
vagrant badge
(what's ps)
topaz jasper
privileged status
vagrant badge
i hate ps
polar finch
you should
topaz jasper
yeah same
polar finch
gud for passion flare beo tho
vagrant badge
i just was experimenting and found it very funny, not something i would go for in a real run
topaz jasper
gud for passion flare beo tho <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
my passion beo 50 I decided just to run FF
didn't feel like messing with AP2
but I agree good for passion beo
polar finch
just believe in the snow burst rng 
vagrant badge
demeter in general gives me a headache
i like her boons kind of but what an insufferable goddess
not saying it's not warranted but i almost don't like her
proven pivot
i like her boons kind of but what an insufferable goddess
Me with Aphrodite
gray haven
tbh I think the only use of it is if you have a really bizarre build and need we...
Curse of Longing can be decent enough if you start with Weak. If you're a heretic who doesn't start with the Eternal Rose and starts Doom instead, then you probably want Merciful End, but there's no hope for such heretics anyway.
topaz jasper
Curse of Longing can be decent enough if you start with Weak. If you're a hereti...
I guess then it's an okay take if you dump ares onto a filler spot like revenge and your other boon choices are bad
which promotes it above the ranks of useless/downgrade duos
slate briar
I was gonna ask about that.
||
Are some of the duos just plain bad?
E.g. demeter regen (winter harvest? stubborn roots) seems too slow to be useful even with SD
And the poseidon duos that transform flood shot feel like downgrades
||
topaz jasper
I was gonna ask about that.
||
Are some of the duos just plain bad?
E.g. demete...
yeah I think there are a lot of bad duos
some are bad because they're incompatible with a much better one like ||ares x demeter||
viscid notch
The first one is referring to Stubborn Roots and yes, some of them can be quite bad, in the case of Stubborn Roots it’s very very niche but it can do something
topaz jasper
others are just plain bad imo
viscid notch
And it doesn’t actively harm you
topaz jasper
like poseidon x athena
viscid notch
Curse of Drowning can be pretty bad
topaz jasper
||beo|| has some aspect specific duo downgrades
zeus x artemis is bad for ||beo|| because it makes casts harder to pick up
||demeter x dio|| is also bad because it adds a delay to the ||flare||
lyric token
Hey ppl, I've a question; just finished 4th attempt on Hell - will the damage ramp up as I progress through the story? Been fighting the minotaur + shield guy and it's just.. takes WAY too long. Had lvl2 DoT on him and tried to use backstabs as much as possible
I think I got him to like 70% in 5 minutes, no joke
started sword weapon with several dmg/crit upgrades, been hitting consistent 100-300 hits iirc
Eventually I just lost concentration and got hit several times
I think I've maxed out my backstab mirror and the crystal dmg bonus
gray haven
Upgrading your weapons will help your DPS, upgrading your mirror will help your DPS and your builds, unlocking and upgrading keepsakes + learning builds will help your builds, too.
Also just learning how to get the most out of each weapon, more efficient movement, etc., from practicing and playing a lot.
lyric token
I guess I'm not supposed to go all the way to the end from the beginning? Later levels feel way too tedious right now, maybe I should just quit as soon as I hit a wall and wait for upgrades to amass
How would one go about optimizing overal game progression
topaz jasper
How would one go about optimizing overal game progression
farming darkness, maxing mirror
or what I did on hell mode which was cheese first completions with shield (my first escape was third attempt)
lyric token
Oh nice
gray haven
Well, you don't get punished for trying to make it further. But yeah, actually finishing your very first run in a new save, or even your second or third attempt, is pretty much only something that veterans do. You're not expected to clear a run that early.
lyric token
I see, thanks 4 the tips
gray haven
I think just trying to make it as far as you can every time will be best in the long run because that way you'll get more practice in the later areas. And if you die, you die, but you'll keep the Darkness, Gemstones, etc.
lyric token
Yeah I've been trying to choose resources over upgrades
topaz jasper
tbh I wouldn't choose gems or darkness over run upgrades
topaz jasper
room rewards for these two suck ass compared to boss drops
nectar and keys are a different story
gray haven
Sometimes you think a run is hopeless, but then you luck into something that replenishes your Death Defiance(s) for free or some healing at just the right time, then a fountain and a legendary boon in the next room, and suddenly that hopeless run is turning into your best attempt yet.
faint umbra
early on they unlock really important things, like fountains and more healing from fountains
but i guess the room rewards are not really the main source of gemstones
lyric token
can I charge with the shield without attacking first ._.
topaz jasper
well you'll need gemstones early on yeah
but my point is you should bumrush the contractor thing that gets you gems per boss
slate finch
can I charge with the shield without attacking first ._.
nope
gray haven
It's kinda moot anyway because exits are generally either all gold laurel rewards or all blue laurel rewards, not a mix.
topaz jasper
the exceptions being blue shops and chaos I guess
gray haven
Yeah.
topaz jasper
can story rooms be blue?
gray haven
I think they're always paired with gold laurel exits. Don't quote me on that, I haven't played in a couple months.
@torpid hemlock knows these things.
torpid hemlock
story rooms can be blue
torpid hemlock
I think they're always paired with gold laurel exits. Don't quote me on that, I ...
but are considered gold when you go into them, for the ratio's sake with respect to dark foresight
gray haven
Ty ty.
full estuary
i absolutely love how wretched broker is pogchamp face every time you come to the lounge 
torpid basalt
Quick question, if u defeat a boss with a different aspect then do u get titan blood for it?
Or does that only work for new weapons u beat the boss with and not aspects
tired osprey
rewards are tied to the weapon, so nemesis would be treated the same as zag sword for example
dusty vault
One per weapon when killing the furies and 1 from the final boss
After your first win the game opens up how to get more/also prophecies-trading at the lounge-last shop in 4th area
torpid basalt
damn ok i kinda regret some of my titan blood usage then
grave storm
You get a faster way to earn more after winning once
torpid basalt
Yea I kinda just wanted a stronger sword for that but it’s whatever
I tried the nemesis aspect and rlly love it
But I think now I can only get it upgraded once
Also I almost traded away one of my titan bloods for 200 gems before I asked here thank god I didn’t
Had no idea they were so limited
topaz jasper
eventually they come quite easily since you get two per heat
lyric token
I have 6 bloods from the initial clears; just unlocked aspects, what would be a good way of investing it
solar cave
Woah I just got aphro ares duo boon in tartarus chamber 7
Very early duo boon I think
faint umbra
I have 6 bloods from the initial clears; just unlocked aspects, what would be a ...
what weapons do you play?
lyric token
what weapons do you play?
Oh idk, I'm fine with most of them I guess
had the most trouble with gloves and the gun
just need something to boost dps
Nemesis, maybe?
dusty vault
Zeus shield doesnt really need the levels too, same for Hera bow
solar cave
Woah double duo boons
Duo duo boon
I got aphro posei duo boon
TRIPLE DUO BOONS
dusty vault
C o d
neat sigil
does anyone have a tier list including the hidden aspects
gray haven
does anyone have a tier list including the hidden aspects
Stygius: A→S
Varatha: F→A
Aegis: S→SS
Coronacht: S→S
Malphon: C→C
Exagryph: A→S
More or less.
For the hidden aspects.
tawny acorn
I haven't played the game in a while and I'm not understanding anything of what I'm reading
viscid notch
What are you reading
tawny acorn
Just anything in the chat
I kinda lost the game so I can't even continue playing it at the moment
I'm just bored
waxen niche
Stygius: A→S
Varatha: F→A
Aegis: S→SS
Coronacht: S→S
Malphon: C→C
Exagryph: A→S
Is ||Lucifer|| rail really that good?
What's the build for it
viscid notch
Same as Eris
waxen niche
Really?
waxen niche
Ah ok
viscid notch
If you get that it helps a lot
waxen niche
So just fish for that hammer
viscid notch
||Triple Bomb|| is the hammer
waxen niche
And stack attack
Wait hold on I got eris and Hestia confused
What's the eris build?
Aphro special?
viscid notch
Zeus attack, Aphro/Artemis Special ideally (any decent % boost works), and Tidal Dash
Afterwards Static Discharge / Razor Shoals/ Mark maybe/ A good dps call like Zeus Dio
waxen niche
Ah ok
viscid notch
If you get the ideal hammer combo aka Rocket Bomb + Cluster Rockets your Special ends up being almost all of your bossing damage
waxen niche
Oh that's cool
Also for hera gun is Poseidon attack + sea storm good or is it better to just go for aphro attack for damage
viscid notch
Hera's whole gimmick is the Cast
waxen niche
Wait no
viscid notch
You should start with that and build around it
waxen niche
I meant Hestia gun
viscid notch
Hestia?
waxen niche
Sorry
viscid notch
Poseidon's attack is probably the worst option on almost every weapon, the % is so low even at high rarity, the pom scaling isnt good, and the knockback is anti-synergy
waxen niche
So then just stick to aphro then
viscid notch
Aphro Attack is miles better yes
waxen niche
Or maybe Artemis
viscid notch
Artemis % is small, and when it does crit it's overkill
So it's inconsistent
Better having that on your Special
But again, without good Special hammers, your Special does very little
waxen niche
Alright cool thanks
viscid notch
Usually people start with Tidal Dash
On Hestia
Because the Attack without any boon is enough to handle Tartarus on its own
And you use the dash for supplementary damage and cleanup
It's also very easy to find a suitable attack
Epic ||Demeter|| or Athena are very good options
So it's not just Aphro
But using Dash well takes a lot of practice and this might be more of a speedrunner's strat so starting with Attack is totally fine, Hunter Dash is nice if you can get it and you're consistent at dash striking, Divine Dash is always safe
calm imp
i rlly like aphro attack into zeus call into smair for hestia
get aphro special as well
if u can
topaz jasper
||demeter attack|| is really nice on hestia imo
it attacks fast enough to keep high chill
covert sorrel
someone already finished the game completely, could you show me the list of prophecies
of all the prophecies
covert sorrel
Customer Loyalty
torpid basalt
ok so
I've gone into those double boon rooms twice now
and both times I did it I was hoping from a duo boon which both of the gods could give me
but both times I didnt get that duo boon
so am I just unlucky or can u not get duo boons from those rooms
sweet brook
i mean going into those rooms don't guarantee a duo boon
yeah it's probably possible to get one from there if you have the conditions unlocked
torpid basalt
have u gotten a duo boon from those rooms
sweet brook
i dont take those rooms
they're slower and more riskier so it's usually not worth the effort for me
yeah 2 god boons are great and all but they're just harder to clear
torpid basalt
also like
both times i did it the boon choices only showed common boons
idk maybe im just unlucky
sweet brook
to be fair, 2 times is a very small sample size
torpid basalt
to be fair, 2 times is a very small sample size
2 times but like 4 boon choices
and both of those times i had the prereq boons already
so i had 4 chances at duo boons and never got em
sweet brook
okay wiki says duo boons aren't offered lmao
sweet brook
I KNEW IT
i mean you've only had 4 chances which tbh isn't a lot
also them being only common might just be an unlucky thing, the wiki didn't mention anything about that
sweet brook
i mean some gods are easier to go up against than others
torpid basalt
im not even tryna find out anymore
after my first escape ill do em again
also my luck with arthemis boons is actually trash
half the time i cant even start my nemesis runs with her 15% crit boon
how good is curse of longing btw
dusty vault
half the time i cant even start my nemesis runs with her 15% crit boon
Are you using Divine dash or just fine with any dash boon?
CoL is kinda nice if you arent applying doom somewhat often ig?
sweet brook
curse of longing is the duo for ares and aphro?
torpid basalt
curse of longing is the duo for ares and aphro?
yea
dusty vault
Ye
torpid basalt
Are you using Divine dash or just fine with any dash boon?
is that the deflect dash?
im tryna start with the artemis keepsake so i usually dont get it
but if i have the choice i always do
just incase i get that witch miniboss room in the magma place because i cant clear that for my life without that dash or ranged abilities
sweet brook
you could force athena in asphodel
dusty vault
im tryna start with the artemis keepsake so i usually dont get it
Yeah deflect, if you are fine with other dashes you can also take hunter dash from artemis
Or take special and instead get aphro attack
torpid basalt
you could force athena in asphodel
is that the 3rd biome or 2nd
or do u mean the very first one
sweet brook
the lava one
dusty vault
You still have natural crit
torpid basalt
the lava one
i usually do the hp one or the extra death defiance because i still find that biome the hardest
like the one after it everyone is tanky but kinda easy to deal with
dusty vault
How many DDs you have rn?
sweet brook
Ddash would be nice for overall survivability tho
torpid basalt
what's a DD
torpid basalt
oh
yea I only have one 😅
I have thick skin maxed tho
i just wasnt patient enough to save up 500 to get the 2nd so i got newer upgrades
dusty vault
Having the 2nd one is worth it
Even just having 1 more revive means more chances to see some way to refill the lost one
Athena/charon wells/npc encounter in the 3rd area
sweet brook
athena can also refill death defiances, so if you force her in asphodel just to get ddash, you can refill a death defiance later on if you're lucky
torpid basalt
and the bossfight with 2 ppl
i havent beaten it yet tho
im abt to go into it rn any tips?
sweet brook
dont get hit
dusty vault
Oh you reachwd heroes already, nice
torpid basalt
yea just got there today
i have so many good boons this time
but none of them are the ones i want
dusty vault
Focus on the bull first, keep yourself between a pillar to either avoid Theseus throws or Bull charge
torpid basalt
yea theseus basically killed me last time
i had the guns and was basically just spamming my special since i got a lot of upgrades for it
dusty vault
To deal with the shield you can wait foe the throw and steike him as he retreats or be close to him, wait for the spin attack and dash behind him
Just dont make him go to phase 2 before Bullman is dead
It gets annoying 
torpid basalt
what hp does he get there
sweet brook
both have 2 phases, each at half hp
torpid basalt
oh ok
are the bull's phases the same as his miniboss phases or does it change at all
sweet brook
they're the same iirc
torpid basalt
i was legit too tunnelvisioned to notice last time
nice ok
man i legit have no dash attack upgrade this run
dusty vault
Only differences is that he has less hp if you fought him as a miniboss and a duo attack with theseus
Where if bull kneels over keep watch on Theseus as he gets yeeted towards you
sweet brook
isn't there another one where the bull rams into theseus' shield or something
dusty vault
isn't there another one where the bull rams into theseus' shield or something
Thats after Theseus/Bull solve their fighting arc
torpid basalt
theres no way a miniboss has less health than one of the bosses in a dual boss fight
sweet brook
ah i see
torpid basalt
wtv im just bad
dusty vault
theres no way a miniboss has less health than one of the bosses in a dual boss f...
Asterius as a miniboss stops fighting earlier before you kill him
dusty vault
He has like 20% hp less in the boss fight if you defeated him as a miniboss in the run i mean
dusty vault
Oh wait you only fought asterius as miniboss right?
torpid basalt
the bull guy yeah
sweet brook
the other one can be extremely annoying if you dont have the dps so hope for the bull imo lmao
torpid basalt
is the other miniboss a more "normal" miniboss that isnt one of the real bosses
torpid basalt
the other one can be extremely annoying if you dont have the dps so hope for the...
i legit never have the dps even with the sword
my boon luck is so trash
sweet brook
is the other miniboss a more "normal" miniboss that isnt one of the real bosses
it's a "normal" miniboss
torpid basalt
i get duo boons im not even looking for
dusty vault
is the other miniboss a more "normal" miniboss that isnt one of the real bosses
You've seen the butterfly balls?
torpid basalt
but not the ones im using the trinket things to get
dusty vault
One but bigger, tanky and summons the eyeballs from the normal enemies till its dead
sweet brook
but not the ones im using the trinket things to get
try not to fulfill the reqs for those duos
what's your goal build
like what would you want ideally
torpid basalt
like with nemesis sword
sweet brook
because i've never used nemesis so i have no idea what's good with it lol
sweet brook
okay so both i listed lmao
torpid basalt
aphro or athena
legit both do the same thing lmao
well one of them is more crit the other is more crit dmg
i would prefer the athena one but like im fine with either
never gotten it tho
sweet brook
iirc doesn't aphro duo just do more crit damage and athena duo is higher rate
i would start off with athena so you can get the dash early, then force artemis in asphodel
but you could switch the order if you want
torpid basalt
yeah
but like i start with artemis's keepsake thing
so i can get 15% crit
(hopefully)
torpid basalt
so i end up going for whichever godess i get in the first biome
torpid basalt
force athena in asphodel then
yea ill try that next time
sweet brook
do you put artemis on your attack or special
just curious
whatever it is, make sure athena goes onto the other one so you can fill the reqs
torpid basalt
atk
sweet brook
fair enough
torpid basalt
ppl told me the combo with nemesis is Q and dash atk spam until u run out of dashes
then u Q again
sweet brook
i'm assuming q is the special
torpid basalt
i rebound Q to right click and right click to Q because i couldnt spam Q effectively lmao
yea
sweet brook
also kbm gang
torpid basalt
cast on Q feels so much better
because u cant really move while ur casting
unless im dumb and havent figured out how to do that
sweet brook
yeah i was gonna say, put your special on your mouse
sweet brook
unless im dumb and havent figured out how to do that
nah you can't move while casting
casting actually pushes you back a bit lol
torpid basalt
also is chaos worth it
i always go for it in the first biome but it doesnt feel as good as i think it should
sweet brook
i always take chaos, but if you dont think you can handle the hp loss and penalty with chaos boons, then it's fine
idk what chaos boons are good with sword, maybe increase special/atk damage or more gold, but sometimes the punishments can screw you
torpid basalt
i just try n get the atk one
im not sure either
if a crit one exists then i guess im going for that lmao
crit rate I mean
sweet brook
oh increased rarity boons exist too i guess
sweet brook
if a crit one exists then i guess im going for that lmao
i dont think so
oh there's more hp and more dash atk % dmg
so if you think you can handle the hp loss and chaos punishment then chaos is always worth it
because you also skip a room
since the 13th room is always gonna be the room before the boss, by taking chaos, you dont have to do an encounter getting there
torpid basalt
oh there's more hp and more dash atk % dmg
dash atk % sounds good
torpid basalt
since the 13th room is always gonna be the room before the boss, by taking chaos...
oh I see
sweet brook
oh also, if you're lucky enough, if you take a second chaos room, you have a chance at getting an extra death defiance
granted it's a legendary rarity so there's a good chance you wont see it
My first time seeing it was yesterday or the day before lmao
torpid basalt
for some reason ive seen more heroic boons at this point than legendary ones
sweet brook
Makes sense actually
Heroics are replacement boons
Or if already epic turn into heroic by Eurydice
Legendary boons are tier 3 boons from gods iirc
So it takes more requirements and luck to get legendary boons while heroics are just luck
Idk what the chances are for any of them but in general it would make sense
torpid basalt
how does one deal with tisiphone without almost using up a death defiance
the murder fury
dusty vault
get heaven's vengeance from zeus and is actually a good face tank option lol
sweet brook
Considering how much I face tank things without a regard for life I should use revenge boons more often
dusty vault
Health is a resource after all
torpid basalt
is revenge actually good?
torpid basalt
also I just had a run where i had like 6 boons when I got to the hydra
and only 1 of them was useful for my build
the rest was just random stuff like a cast upgrade
sweet brook
It's not a bad option but it's not something you would activity look for unless you're doing a revenge build
sweet brook
Like if the other 2 options are crap then a revenge boon is nice
sweet brook
u can make a build just off of taking dmg?
There's a duo boon for that
torpid basalt
There's a duo boon for that
does it like restore hp when revenge activates or smtn
dusty vault
Makes revenge activates on its own every 3 secs
sweet brook
Don't remember
dusty vault
From zeus-ares
sweet brook
There are some final boss afk fights
Work hard for a chunk of minutes then grab the popcorn to watch the fight
torpid basalt
Makes revenge activates on its own every 3 secs
that doesnt sound balanced lmao
so u kinda just hope u get that revenge duo boon and when u do u turn into god
sweet brook
Well
dusty vault
Not really, final boss can hit for a lot
sweet brook
Some builds aren't worth trying to get it because you're just wasting boons for that
If you already have a stupid high DPS it's not worth it
torpid basalt
also what's a good way to grind darkness
genuine runs only get me like 100 im not sure if its time efficient or not
im at 348 and i need 500 for death defiance
also ive never met the ice god or whatever it is am I just unlucky or is it a special thing i should wait for
if its special dont tell me what it is tho
dusty vault
Its special ye
torpid basalt
kk
dusty vault
Also for darkness use a weapon you already got some bounties (blood/diamonds) as the bosses will instead drop darkness
Then hope for some Chaos darkness bonus or poseidon
sweet brook
Could force Poseidon but don't think any of his core boons are worth getting for your builds atm
dusty vault
If you have troves it can be nice to check them/can reset your mirror if you arent using certain talents as much
torpid basalt
i just got a dadelus hammer first thing and i was so excited
but this is like genuinely the most trash hammer ive gotten in my life
sweet brook
Reset the run and pick a different weapon lmao
torpid basalt
i got a dash on my special on sword
dusty vault
Could force Poseidon but don't think any of his core boons are worth getting for...
Splash nem is a fairly commom speedrun build
torpid basalt
oh wait I just got chaos first thing aswell
ill keep the run
this chaos better be good tho lma
sweet brook
Splash nem is a fairly commom speedrun build
I don't use splash dash much and don't use nemesis at all lmao
But makes sense
dusty vault
but this is like genuinely the most trash hammer ive gotten in my life
What were the options btw?
torpid basalt
What were the options btw?
the other two were both some weird attack mods n they were both bad i dont quite remember tho
one of them was like, your attack does more dmg but is a big slash now
idk the other but they both seemed super trash
oh wait yea the other one was hold attack and itll attack rapidly
dusty vault
Ah flurry and C h o p (world splitter)
Chop is "ok" in the sense it doesnt hurt you
Flurry does tho
torpid basalt
oh my god I just beat megara without taking any hits
ive done it before but this time it was so trippy because i would dash whenever i would special
dusty vault
Gaming
torpid basalt
so i was literally dashing every time i was doing dmg
dusty vault
Also yeah that sounds like a dash nova moment
torpid basalt
what's dash nova
dusty vault
The hammer you picked
maiden ruin
yeah
dusty vault
And at the same time some(one) people are just gamers with it somehow
torpid basalt
yea ig some people wouldnt mind picking this up if theyre good enough
torpid basalt
but like it takes too much apm and skill and feels like it has no reward lmao and i have no skill
dusty vault
Thats how it is sometimes tbh
torpid basalt
wait what I just equipped athena's keepsake going into the 3rd biome
and got artemis' boon instead
random copper
yo
torpid basalt
the first door was artemis boon or coins
random copper
so for theseus and asterius
you generally want to go for asterius first, as if you get theseus down to 50% hp he calls for an olympian's aid, making life much more difficlut
gray haven
half the time i cant even start my nemesis runs with her 15% crit boon
She'll offer you 3 out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash if all those three slots are empty (which they are at the start of the run until, normally, you pick up your first boon). So there's a 75% chance to see her Attack. The two main aspects that go for crit builds, Nemesis and Zag Bow, generally want Hunter Dash, too, so you'd just pick whichever has better rarity at the start, and there's a 100% chance you'll see at least one of those two boons.
maiden ruin
the first door was artemis boon or coins
did you have athena's keepsake on in the last biome
random copper
wait what I just equipped athena's keepsake going into the 3rd biome
did you have athena's keepsake equipped in asphodel (the lava region)? if so, then if would have no effect, but athena's boons would get a rarity increase
gray haven
you generally want to go for asterius first, as if you get theseus down to 50% h...
Asterius first if your DPS and burst damage are low. If your DPS or burst damage are high, try to take them both down at the same time (usually by focusing on Theseus since Asterius will keep running into the crossfire anyway when you go for Theseus).
torpid basalt
did you have athena's keepsake equipped in asphodel (the lava region)? if so, th...
yea I did, good to know
also I just got my second death defiance which I assumed would be the max, just curious, what is the max amt of death defiance the mirror gives?
muted pivot
3
torpid basalt
is it better to save up for the 3rd death defiance or upgrade the rest of the mirror
gray haven
You can just spend the Darkness now. Resetting the mirror later only costs one Key.
So might as well put the Darkness somewhere it does something now.
steep musk
i remember using it for one of the hades monthly challenges
its been so long since a monthly challenge
or maybe im blind
gray haven
Chthonic Keys are the first thing you run out of any use for, and relatively early in the game, too. You unlock your weapons, unlock your mirror, and then there's virtually nothing to use Keys for except trade them.
gray haven
its been so long since a monthly challenge <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
That's correct. I haven't played Hades in months and been heavily focusing on writing a guide for my Street Fighter V character since the final patch for that game dropped. But you can still submit runs for any of the previous challenges anyway.
steep musk
ohh
torpid basalt
You can just spend the Darkness now. Resetting the mirror later only costs one K...
good point ill spend it all
random copper
is it better to save up for the 3rd death defiance or upgrade the rest of the mi...
you can gift skelly for his lucky tooth, which is basically an extra death defiance
random copper
Chthonic Keys are the first thing you run out of any use for, and relatively ear...
i can relate, once you unlock all the infernal arms and unlock all mirror talents, there's nothing to do but trade for nectar
torpid basalt
Oh yea I alr odd
did*
I’m one more mirror unlock away from having the whole mirror unlocked
dusty vault
Bull first
late lynx
Hmmm
But Theseus is really annoying while taking the bull
But the bull isn't that annoying while taking Theseus
But ok I will go for the bull
dusty vault
Focus on the bull first, keep yourself between a pillar to either avoid Theseus ...
Really short tips for the fight
The thing with going theseus first is that when he goes to 50% hp is way more annoying if you have asterius alive still
Unless you have the dps to burst both down
late lynx
Guys +30% attack speed or quick recovery 40%
gray haven
What's the third option?
What weapon are you using?
And what hammer upgrades do you have?
torpid basalt
I have a question abt the mirror
random copper
Who to take first
take bull first because you can just dash away from the spear
when theseus calls for olympian's aid at 50% hp its rlly annoying with bull so take him down first (unless you have high burst or dps, in which case just kill them both simultaneously
hmm?
torpid basalt
I unlocked priveledged status and olympian favour, is it worth it for me to level them or do I level their alternates
rn all I do is spam a nemesis crit dash atk build
random copper
use p-status and dark foresight (o-favor flipped)
dusty vault
Family favourite is easier to use than p.status
gray haven
Family Favorite is the go-to. Privileged Status is for specific builds.
Max Dark Foresight asap.
random copper
it increases chance of getting items that you use for run-only
late lynx
it increases chance of getting items that you use for run-only
Coins and health?
torpid basalt
i think ill rush family favourite before dark foresight then because I still kinda need a lot of those resources
gray haven
Getting stronger builds more consistently will help you get more resources. Plus you'll get extra obols that you can spend on permanent resources.
Will need less healing because you have more max HP; and since most healing is %-based, any healing you get will be stronger.
late lynx
Phew
I have finally beaten those two bastards
I thought I would be out
Damn still a complete area
late lynx
Guys how to pass that dog? Complete all the areas?
viscid notch
Guys how to pass that dog? Complete all the areas?
You have to get him a Satyr sack
late lynx
You have to get him a Satyr sack
How to get it
viscid notch
Do the tunnels
It cant be in the first tunnel
So you have to do anywhere from 2 to 5
late lynx
Dang it
Lost to that Hades
But at least I feel that I actually learned how to play against him
gray haven
@late lynx @torpid basalt please use spoiler tags for end boss (and anything past that). See channel description.
random copper
im still tryna get past that double bossfight
that took me a long time as well, so i'll give you some tips -
i like using aspect of chiron on bow with ares/dio cast to help defeat asterius quickly, then use cast to kill theseus since it can be difficult to maneuver around his shield. for hammers, i recommend concentrated volley and relentless volley
with the shield, it's easier since you can block attacks. i like using chaos aspect with curse of pain from ares and dread flight hammer, along with athena attack to chase merciful end
spear is handy due to its versatility, i like hades aspect to get punishing sweep damage in, with maybe quick spin or flaring spin hammer. with ares attack + impending doom, or artemis pressure points + hunter's mark, you''ll be dishing out a lot of damage
with sword, try out nemesis because it's a very straightforward flat damage weapon and combined with artemis crits and hunter dash, it can deal some heavy dps
fists are not a very good weapon for this fight, but if you're using them, aspect of demeter rips with merciful end, so try that out
last but not least, aspect of hestia is already good by itself, but adding cluster bomb hammer and artemis attack with pp/support fire claps
but that's just my preference. every person's playstyle is different, and it might take you a while to find a build you enjoy using.
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<@765883958478635018> <@573919885885702144> please use spoiler tags for end boss...
i thought that meant dont spoil anything after the end boss
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end boss and onward
torpid basalt
ye im changing it rn
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like ||hidden aspects and demeter boons|| if you don't want spoilers, don't read this
dusty vault
that took me a long time as well, so i'll give you some tips -
i like using as...
Support fire?
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for which one
torpid basalt
like ||hidden aspects and demeter boons|| if you don't want spoilers, don't read...
im assuming theres lore stuff aswell once u sort of "finish" the game
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for which one
On hestia
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there's still a bigger backstory
torpid basalt
that took me a long time as well, so i'll give you some tips -
i like using as...
I got rlly far that time since I had a decent nemesis build going which had no good hammers but I had a massive special damage steroid from aphrodite's legendary boon and artemis atk crit thing
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On hestia
yeah i was struggling to think of the hestia crit build i used once that absolutely clapped, so i said support fire
torpid basalt
and i had the NPC guy from elysium give me his atk steroid
i just fell flat on my face after i got the bull guy
idk how to dodge thesius or whatever's attacks
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I kinda shot myself in the foot though because I took a really trash hammer that reduced my hp by 60% but gave me healing on my attacks
when I took that hammer I assumed it would work on dash strikes
but nah
I just lost all that hp for no reason
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cursed slash is good
maiden ruin
cursed slash is good
Nah
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with the correct build
dusty vault
For the spear throw you have a target on you that gets brigther when is about to release, just camp behind a pillar
torpid basalt
i def had the wrong build for it
since like
the combo for nemesis is just Q and then dash strike and repeat
and I got unlucky with both my hermes boons too
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Not affecting dash strikes is really 
torpid basalt
got no extra dashes
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like when i started playing, my fav weapon was talos fists
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Not affecting dash strikes is really <:ron:459075377906712586>
yeah bc doesnt the attack % affect dash strike
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i never touched my cast
torpid basalt
but for SOME REASON that hammer doesnt
torpid basalt
i never touched my cast
i got aphrodite's cast thinking it'd be good too
and i regretted it so hard
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nope
dusty vault
Swift strike also doesnt affect dash strikes (main example on bow)
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i got aphrodite's cast thinking it'd be good too
Aphro cast is good tho, better on someth- yeah bow
torpid basalt
btw is aphro's call any good
I turned it down bc it looked kinda bad to me
ended up getting poseidon call instead
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does aphro call work on asterius against theseus?
Yup, is fun
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btw is aphro's call any good
Is a good nuke at full call, can be used to cancel some boss attacks by charming
Keep in mind is a 1/3 of the normal duration on bosses
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razor shoals with poseidon kb
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Breaking wave
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ooh
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Thyphoon fury is the extra wall slam dmg
torpid basalt
Poseidon is my fav call but I can’t rlly get any reliable dmg out of it cuz of WASD
viscid notch
Takes some practice
late lynx
For Theseus I found the best strategy is to be behind a pillar, becomes pretty easy but the aid of gods can prevent you from doing so
Also shall I go for calls, I never do prefer other stuff
torpid basalt
does the aid of gods change every time?
when I got him to phase 2 it was dionysis' aid
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when I got him to phase 2 it was dionysis' aid
Is never the ones from gods you have currently