h1-for-new-players

[prisma socket]

I haven't unlocked any :(

[solar panther]

Eggs-for-new-players

[subtle granite]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/File:AthenaUpgradeDuo.png ?

[full pendant]

Ah

Well

[cunning granite]

The codex should but you need to unlock that

[full pendant]

I forgot how you unlock it in game

But it does show it

And even highlight which you do have rn

I think a renovation tho

[cunning granite]

I think it’s a house contractor work order after a certain point

[subtle granite]

you get it via finding a duo boon for the first time

[cunning granite]

Yep that’s the certain point

[placid inlet]

well i guess we’re back to hades stuff

[full pendant]

Not for long

[subtle granite]

yep, once you got a duo boon the house contractor sells it to you

[cunning granite]

This happened like 2 hours ago for me I should have a better memory

[full pendant]

Egg shall return

[placid inlet]

TRUE

[prisma socket]

They're not guaranteed either, right?

[full pendant]

How about a week lol

[maiden nexus]

they are actually pretty rare

[prisma socket]

Oh. Damn. Ok.

[full pendant]

I got like 5 duos 2 runs ago wdym @maiden nexus

[maiden nexus]

like less than legendary more than epic I think

or maybe same as legendary idk

[full pendant]

Like tons of artemis, dio and aphro combos

[cunning granite]

ah is heroic better than legendary or is it just below

I had a heroic boon last run

[prisma socket]

Related: for the fated lists, is there an easy way to see which boons are needed to unlock other boons for the same god?

[placid inlet]

higher

[maiden nexus]

Legendary is like seperate

[placid inlet]

or lower

[prisma socket]

(aside from the wiki I mean)

[maiden nexus]

like entirely

[subtle granite]

legendary are rarer than duos

[full pendant]

Codex, again

[placid inlet]

depends how you look at it

[full pendant]

@prisma socket

[subtle granite]

since you can only get them after a requirement from one god only

[prisma socket]

Is that another contractor?

[subtle granite]

but duos can be obtained by both

[maiden nexus]

but if they are both in the pool

it the odds the same?

[full pendant]

I think the same one that shows duo shows boons in general

[prisma socket]

Ok. Thank y'all 💛

[full pendant]

You're welcome

[placid inlet]

||hades is a character||

[full pendant]

You might need to give the contractor a break for it to appear but i have no idea tbh @prisma socket

[maiden nexus]

||Hades is a supergiant game||

ok my bad guys

I should delete that

[lost bone]

help, there is some checkpoint, because I kill meg and it is difficult for me to pass the others and I die and I have to do everything again; (

[full pendant]

||its a love story||

[solar panther]

There are no checkpoints

[subtle granite]

thats the way roguelikes go, sorry buddy :c

[maiden nexus]

you will get better @lost bone

trust the process

[prisma socket]

Gotcha. I haven't done a lot with the contractor. Just the basic options. Highest I've gotten is the fishing, and no cosmetics.

[full pendant]

Trust me, i thought i might barely scrape past the next area after 50 tries

And thoight the area after even that was outright impossible

Still did it tho

[cunning granite]

You’ll get better, it took me about 20 runs of dying to beat Meg each time after that

[full pendant]

Just dont give up

[solar panther]

||How many nectars do I need to give to Meg to get dirty with her||

[subtle granite]

dont worry about not making progress, you are completely fine!

[cunning granite]

I did activate god mode after 14 deaths in a row

Which has helped a lot but try as much as you can without it

[subtle granite]

everybody was in your shoes once and well, now they are some of the best hades players :)

[full pendant]

Right, i dont know about the details of the contractor sadly. You'll see it eventually

[maiden nexus]

honestly just focus on killing meg with every weapon @lost bone cause she will only drop titan bloods the first time you beat her with a weapon

[full pendant]

That does make me curious though, what are your personal fastest times and what attempt was the first time you escaped?

[placid inlet]

||seals can hold their breath underwater for 2 hours and can dive to a depth of 90m beneath sea level||

[subtle granite]

the only other upgrade necessary is the Fated List of Minor Prophecies for the codex upgrade :)

[solar panther]

@placid inlet so can I

[tardy raptor]

Some questions:

• I am 24 runs in, and have some aspects that I unlocked, but can't reliably get to the end of Elysium. Is that par for the course or just badness?
• What is the playstile for the rail? I have the demeter aspect on it, but I take soo much damage that I cna't even get pass Meg with it
• Zeus Shield and the Fist are my better runs, what build can I make to be super defensive and survive long enough?

[subtle granite]

24runs in for elysium isnt bad

[full pendant]

Par for the course

[subtle granite]

it's actually really good

[full pendant]

You'll make it eventually

[prisma socket]

Elysium is harder than the first 2 areas. It'll take time to acclimate.

[full pendant]

Though brute forcing it with op boons is always helpful

[maiden nexus]

tbh idk what is considering on pace for runs

[subtle granite]

i remember failing in elysium for so long ._.

[solar panther]

Elysium is the hardest area IMO

[lost bone]

What do you recommend buying, the weapon or the skill upgrade?

[maiden nexus]

I seen someone 0 clears 50 runs

[cunning granite]

I’m at 35 runs and 0 clears

[placid inlet]

well final area is more annoying

[full pendant]

Also i suggest not going for defensive per se, i notice you just get caught that way

[subtle granite]

anything between 20 and 150 before a clear is normal

[maiden nexus]

but I am won 17 runs

so I am just so insane I guess

[cunning granite]

Yeah the final tunnels are just 😥

[solar panther]

I’m at 25 runs and have 2 cleats

Clears

[full pendant]

Try a more offensive approach maybe, with reliable dodging skills and plenty health (200 ish)

[subtle granite]

it took me 80 attempts for my first win cause i did bad with the nectar

[placid inlet]

130 runs, 16 clears

[full pendant]

@tardy raptor that should be more reliable

[subtle granite]

i restarted and got a clear in 20 runs

[maiden nexus]

I am am like 70 runs or something

and like 22 in a row

[subtle granite]

same

[cunning granite]

It took me embarrassingly long to consider giving cerby a nectar

[placid inlet]

how tho

[cunning granite]

Like 11 nectars later

[subtle granite]

well not 70 runs in but yeh

[maiden nexus]

just slowly increasing ||heat||

[cunning granite]

And cerby keepsake is amazing when you’re just starting out

[maiden nexus]

eh

[full pendant]

Also my first completion was run 20, and my fastest run is 19 mins rn

[placid inlet]

i didn’t give anyone nectar until i maxed out cerby

[tardy raptor]

Truth be told, last 4 runs had god mode on, and the one I finally got to the Elysium boss I luckied finding ||treat|| very fast

[full pendant]

I didnt intend the run to be that quick but i was getting real op there so uh

[maiden nexus]

what is god mode

[full pendant]

A lie

[placid inlet]

settings

[cunning granite]

God mode increases your resistance every time you die

[subtle granite]

https://imgur.com/a/ePOsGXj

[solar panther]

Wow

[placid inlet]

HOW

[subtle granite]

it's nice

[tardy raptor]

option on Settings, gives you 20% damage reduction

[placid inlet]

how may runs

[solar panther]

That’s insane

[full pendant]

Im on like 7 rn

[subtle granite]

about 160

[tardy raptor]

you get 2% more each time you die I think?

[subtle granite]

correct

80% is the max

[placid inlet]

geez

[cunning granite]

Yep I’m at 54% at the moment

[full pendant]

Wrong person youre referring to

[tardy raptor]

woops

[cunning granite]

I don’t know how much it helps cuz I still die so much

[maiden nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750022346919772171/795112892919840798/unknown.png

[full pendant]

Also did my tips help? @tardy raptor

[cunning granite]

Although the last 3 attempts I got to final boss and just died

[subtle granite]

gg :D

[full pendant]

The environment is your friend there

[tardy raptor]

AH, is there a place where I can see stats? Specially what weapons I already got titan 's blood and etc with

[maiden nexus]

how many hours do you have

[placid inlet]

i only got 5 in a row

[full pendant]

A lengthy fight that wins>no victory at all

[subtle granite]

since the final boss never changes really plan ahead, what do you lack for the boss most oftenly and just build around it

[subtle granite]

300h+

[full pendant]

Yes but you'll unlock it later

[maiden nexus]

I have 73 lol

[placid inlet]

130 runs with 60 hours

[full pendant]

Though the map shows you the rewards too, ykniw when actually in a run

[solar panther]

How is that possible @placid inlet

[maiden nexus]

more runs less hours = die fast

[subtle granite]

tbf i am training for fresh file speedruns and most hours come from that

[cunning granite]

How do you access the map

[placid inlet]

suicide runs

[full pendant]

Nono i mean

[cunning granite]

Other than when you’re going into a new area

[full pendant]

When clearing a floor

[maiden nexus]

guess Medic has to watchout for you

[subtle granite]

maybe :)

[solar panther]

@subtle granite can you consistently win a fresh file?

[maiden nexus]

tbh a lot of speed run is rng

at least on any%

[full pendant]

If you havent unlocked the 2 later game rewards, you'll only see it there @cunning granite

[tardy raptor]

@full pendant yes, thanks

[subtle granite]

i have many fresh file wins but i am never satisfied with the times

[placid inlet]

suicide runs

[cunning granite]

Weirdly every run I plan as a suicide run I just get such good build options and never die

[full pendant]

@tardy raptor youre welcome

[subtle granite]

as soon as i get spear it's 100% a won fresh file

[solar panther]

The only hades speedrun I’ve ever watched was the ign developers react to the 25 min fresh file one

[subtle granite]

but i also almost got a fully fresh run win

[maiden nexus]

yes spear is broken

[tardy raptor]

I am using the tooth keepsake, what is the best one for starts?

[subtle granite]

cerberus'

[solar panther]

Acorn

[maiden nexus]

||I heard if you win first attempt their is no unique dialogue||

[cunning granite]

yep I start with cerby then switch to skelly

[maiden nexus]

kinda sadge

[tardy raptor]

I can't play with the bow or the rail, I guess my fight style depende s a lot on dashing with Atena's dash

[solar panther]

Acorn is op

[cunning granite]

Who gives you acorn

[solar panther]

Euridyce

[maiden nexus]

||Eurydyce||

[full pendant]

I usually go with a boon that i want, say artemis, and use tooth on the final floor

[cunning granite]

ah ok I’ll save a nectar

[full pendant]

But im no pro

It works for me tho

[solar panther]

@cunning granite it’s very good for boss fights

[maiden nexus]

I mean you equip

acorn in Styx

not before

[full pendant]

God i love the bow

Its so fun

[polar smelt]

Does spear have any good aspects? I looked into it and didnt see much. (Or maybe I just don't utilize the spin well)

[cunning granite]

I see I see but doesn’t skelly help with final boss? Or is acorn better

[placid inlet]

im a skelly guy

[solar panther]

Acorn cus it gives more total health

[maiden nexus]

I just mean base spear is better than pretty much all other base weps besides rail and zag spear is fine

[solar panther]

It saves more total health than skelly

[full pendant]

Acorn blocks essentially 200 hp, since apparently the boss hits for 40 each hit@cunning granite @cunning granite

And tooth does half of that

[solar panther]

Yeah

[full pendant]

Tbh i prefer tooth regardless

But

Acorn is nice

[maiden nexus]

Larsson

is stealing my knowledge

I just gave him

[cunning granite]

I’ll trial and error

[full pendant]

I am

[maiden nexus]

an hour ago

and spreading it

like it was his 900 iq big brain

I DID THE MATH

[subtle granite]

achilles spear best spear

[cunning granite]

Hahaha I’m happy for the second hand help either way

[maiden nexus]

I am jk

[cunning granite]

thanks y’all

[full pendant]

You'll eventually get it, dont worry about time or amount of runs

[solar panther]

Matthew that’s 2nd grade math lmao

[maiden nexus]

I am very proud over here

[subtle granite]

we're all here to cheer for the lads

[cunning granite]

@full pendant nah I just want to unlock the story

[solar panther]

Yes

[maiden nexus]

did he just use a Bastion icon in Hades

[solar panther]

Yes I did

And nobody can stop me

[maiden nexus]

but you only have

Hades tag

[solar panther]

[tardy raptor]

Ok I think last question before going to die again: is there a reliable list of builds around?

[maiden nexus]

my brain is breaking

[full pendant]

Yes?

[solar panther]

I’m untouchable

[naive hollow]

YESS!! finally! the rod of fishing!!

[full pendant]

Dont you need to progress for that?

[solar panther]

Not in the bad way

[placid inlet]

idk how to even get the tags

[polar smelt]

Pinned messages has a resource

[subtle granite]

gg!!!!

[maiden nexus]

Yes seagull we know no woman/men want to touch you

no need to tell us

XD

[cunning granite]

yes I was trying to say that I don’t mind taking time or doing many runs I just want the story

[solar panther]

[maiden nexus]

I am jokes

[tardy raptor]

Dang it, yes you are correct

[solar panther]

I wish there were hades 1v1s

[prisma socket]

Are hammer choices totally random, no prereqs?

[subtle granite]

i think there's a mod for that

[solar panther]

Two zagreus’s having a slapping battle

[tardy raptor]

Also I have to check youtube for someone playing with bow and rail, because I have no idea how to play withthem

[cunning granite]

id love hades multiplayer like that ||thanatos v zagreus rooms||

[subtle granite]

there are some incompatible hammers

[prisma socket]

More for the fated lists is why I'm asking.

[cunning granite]

I also already want a DLC and I haven’t even unlocked the story hahaha

[maiden nexus]

does the list have any ||hidden aspect upgrades on it||

[cunning granite]

I want the same game but in Olympus or something

[full pendant]

Ah like that

Alright

And especially with god mode youll get it after enough runs

[placid inlet]

and there we go

[prisma socket]

And...if you have a god's item, does that generally make them more common throughout the run as well?

[solar panther]

When u escape

[cunning granite]

I wish there was apollo in the game

[maiden nexus]

this is like

mega spoiler

lmao

[cunning granite]

I can imagine his boons would be so amazing

[solar panther]

Like what?

[cunning granite]

And apollo would have such flirty bants

[solar panther]

Yea lol

[maiden nexus]

I would spoiler that seagull

[solar panther]

Why

[maiden nexus]

can't talk about end boss onward

[solar panther]

It’s theoretical

[maiden nexus]

||you are saying it doesn't happen||

when new players don't know that

[solar panther]

Oh

Sorry

[full pendant]

Yeah

[cunning granite]

Matthew lol

[full pendant]

Sorry keer

[cunning granite]

That’s a spoiler too

Hahahah

[full pendant]

Hahahaha that too

[cunning granite]

it’s ok I already knew

[full pendant]

Ah

[cunning granite]

But I guess lots of other people wouldn’t have

[solar panther]

Damn it I can’t put spoiler

[full pendant]

Yep

[cunning granite]

So spoiler it pls

Ah just delete it then?

[solar panther]

I will

[maiden nexus]

Just edit

with || both sides

[solar panther]

Done

@maiden nexus I know how just phone glitches

I deleted it

[maiden nexus]

but yea

and supergiant doesn't do sequels

at least yet

so probably never 😦

[cunning granite]

😭😭 no

[solar panther]

I wonder what nectar tastes like

[maiden nexus]

though

[cunning granite]

have y’all read Percy jackson lol

[maiden nexus]

to be fair

[solar panther]

Yes lol

[maiden nexus]

never mind

that is maybe spoiler for other games

[cunning granite]

Nectar tastes like whatever you think is the most comforting delicious thing

hopefully

[solar panther]

So...

What if that was dusa

[tardy raptor]

Is there a way to easily dash strike with the bow?

[maiden nexus]

no

[tardy raptor]

I feel like I am doing something wrong

[maiden nexus]

that is just life bow dash bad

[full pendant]

On a controller?

[tardy raptor]

no, M+K atm

[full pendant]

I love sliding with the bow what yall on about

[solar panther]

Bow=bad

[full pendant]

Ah

Rude

[solar panther]

What

Why did it do that

[full pendant]

Cuz i said a bad word

[cunning granite]

larsson is in time out?

[solar panther]

Oh

[maiden nexus]

he say nono word

[solar panther]

I didn’t see

[full pendant]

Im not in time out am i

[tardy raptor]

controller?

[full pendant]

Dont give me the creeps @cunning granite

[maiden nexus]

I think keyboard is better in general tbh

might have to remind special for some people though

dash special kinda hard default binding

[cunning granite]

Ah Hm on controller it’s quite easy

Just smash b and y

[naive hollow]

So i unlocked the ability to upgrade my weapons with titan blood. which once are worth it?

[maiden nexus]

but with controller aim assist more important

and aim assist so annoying sometimes

[cunning granite]

oh ya this is why I hate bow

[maiden nexus]

yea with mouse

its fine

just no aim assist

[cunning granite]

It’s hard to turn properly with aim assist and dash striking on controller

[full pendant]

What is wrong with your controllers lol

[tardy raptor]

man, 24 runs and the game still giving me new stories and chars. This is great

[full pendant]

The bow is amazing for me on controlelr

[cunning granite]

ah rip switch only here so no mouse option

Maybe it’s just my technique lmao

[full pendant]

Maybe

[maiden nexus]

tbh I hope Hades show everyone that all supergiant games are good

[full pendant]

It feels fun as hell

To just swoosh around

And murder everyone

[cunning granite]

Matthew tbh I never even heard of any supergiant games until all the GOTY talk

[full pendant]

With a well placed arrow

[cunning granite]

And now I’m such a fan

[maiden nexus]

I played Transistor when it came out

[full pendant]

Or lose your braincells and go with the homing special

[maiden nexus]

cause it was free

with playstation at the time

[full pendant]

I knew about bastion

Thats it

[maiden nexus]

then I played bastion

and pyre

[cunning granite]

I had a friend recommend to me hades and I’m so grateful for it

[maiden nexus]

Honestly
Gameplay Hades>Pyre>Bastion>Transistor
Story Transistor>Pyre>Hades=Bastion
Sound/Art Transistor>Pyre>Bastion=Hades

[cunning granite]

The only other game I’ve really truly sunk hours into was breath of the wild and that’s hard to match up so hades is so much fun and so different

[maiden nexus]

I mean Bastion and Transistor are short though

like 5-6 hours tops

pyre is like 15-18

but bastion was on sale for like

2.50 and pyre 5

yea Bastion is $2.24

right now

[cunning granite]

Is hades the best rogue like out there?

[maiden nexus]

Pyre 5.99 Transistor $2.99

[cunning granite]

This is my first game of the genre

[maiden nexus]

I mean Hades isn't

really a pure roguelike

tbh

[subtle granite]

it's a roguelite build on fishing, visual novel, dating sim and house designing

the roguelite aspect falls a bit short with the diversity maybe but it's still enjoyable

and the best part is that hades looks like one of those fake rpg mobile games

[full pendant]

Its a fishing game

[cunning granite]

They should add cooking to it too

[maiden nexus]

Hades makes your experience feel unique

even if it isn't

[subtle granite]

they should ad farming when the true end is done

[cunning granite]

||hades is just tom nook||

[full pendant]

Tbh a few of the other games i sunk this much time into were games that partially just demanded a ton of time

Soulsborne, persona, monster hunter

So they did good with hades

[cunning granite]

and ||hypnos and Thanatos are timmy and Tommy nook||

[subtle granite]

imagine lategame spoiler ||going back to the hut to farm for mom and she gives you different farm blessings when you see her at home||

[maiden nexus]

I mean supergiant always does good

[full pendant]

You mean charon?

[cunning granite]

you mean egg?

[full pendant]

eggggggg

[maiden nexus]

get mat pat here

we got a theory

a game theory

[full pendant]

mat pat is charon

He too likes money

Jk jk

[cunning granite]

||escape to your own animal crossing island||

[maiden nexus]

didn't he raise like 3 mil for saint jude

lol

[full pendant]

But when are we gonna get five nights at freddies theory part 26 tho

Lol damn

[maiden nexus]

truuue

[full pendant]

Imma head to sleep tho

Its been fun

Im dead tomorrow

Lol

[maiden nexus]

cya buddy

[subtle granite]

gnight :)

[naive hollow]

Is aspect of chaos any good?

[subtle granite]

yes

but it's ok if you dont feel it at first

[naive hollow]

Do the 5 shields bounce the same?

[subtle granite]

yesnt

[naive hollow]

10/10

[subtle granite]

[maiden nexus]

they don't all go same direction

[subtle granite]

they are spread out like the bow volley

[maiden nexus]

solution is just stand like right next to enemy

[subtle granite]

i think you can actually get lucky with the hammer and get the multi hit and easily annihilate multiple enemies (if you have ares on special)

[maiden nexus]

I really need to start using Ares

I have used him so little

[subtle granite]

he can be fun

same

[maiden nexus]

I don't have the 10k enemy prophecy done

i have like 25 k enemies dead

XDDD

[subtle granite]

thats normal tho

[maiden nexus]

have to talk to him like 99 times

[subtle granite]

most laugh about how he'd rather ||simp for nyx than have you kill people||

[maiden nexus]

to trigger

[naive hollow]

I jest got access to aspects so im trying to find out what i want to do

[maiden nexus]

I ran full hermes charm for so many runs to get ||Hermes favor like 8 straight or something ||

was so stupid

[subtle granite]

i would recommend going with your favorite weapon so far, pushing one blood into one aspect, trying it on skelly, and if you like it go for a run, if you dont then just restart the game to go back to the save before you invested that blood

rinse repeat

[subtle granite]

i feel ya bro

[maiden nexus]

I mean if u are gonna reset

can just go full blood

[subtle granite]

well sometimes you dont have that much blood

it's 15 blood we're talkin bout

[maiden nexus]

I know but you are phrased is like don't use more than 1

but it doesn't really matter

[naive hollow]

i have 4

[subtle granite]

just to not accidentally waste more

[naive hollow]

How do i stop it from auto saving?

[subtle granite]

like if you like it on skelly but dont like it on the run that you can still invest other blood

[maiden nexus]

it autosaves when u enter a room

[subtle granite]

it only auto saves whe you leave the room

ye

[maiden nexus]

so just don't leave the room and quit

[subtle granite]

so just dont leave the courtyard

[naive hollow]

Not much testing to be done on courtyard lol

[subtle granite]

you can still get a feel for the weapon itself

[maiden nexus]

I mean tbh somethings others think are good other won't

[subtle granite]

there is actually alot you can learn from weapons on skelly

[maiden nexus]

gotta test for yourself

[subtle granite]

(like that you can move the spear spinattack via dashing)

[maiden nexus]

cause what u like/ play good with

can be different

[subtle granite]

(or how much the weapon does damage cleanly)

without having to dodge massive swarms of numbskulls

[maiden nexus]

but yea there should be a way to refund blood

for new players tbh

[subtle granite]

buwhy

that would make blood pretty cheap imo

[maiden nexus]

it doesn't increase the amount of blood

[subtle granite]

new players failing is normalized in roguelikes/lites

[maiden nexus]

I guess

but Hades gonna attract a lot of casuals

[subtle granite]

yeah but like you can push it into bow chiron, and then decide you want achilles spear next run

i am a casual lol

[maiden nexus]

you have 300 hour and are speedrunning

you are not casual

[subtle granite]

i was

and i still found it fair

[maiden nexus]

I mean I don't really care either way

[subtle granite]

i never played a roguelike/lite before

[maiden nexus]

but the refund should be expensive

like ambrosia or something

[subtle granite]

o-o

[maiden nexus]

so you can't just abuse

but like if you really messed up like 7-8 titan blood

[subtle granite]

so... just shoot newbs even more in the leg?

[maiden nexus]

then maybe its good for you

Amborsia isn't that useful

tbh

[subtle granite]

how do you mess up with that much blood

[maiden nexus]

how many people you think

just dump into aspect

[subtle granite]

not many

[maiden nexus]

I think it is higher than you think

[subtle granite]

since you mostly only have 4 blood to your name in the beginning

[maiden nexus]

I bet a lot of player use all 4 right away

[subtle granite]

if ya dont understand that it's expensive if you got 4 blood in 50 runs, sry but wtf xd

[maiden nexus]

I did lol

[subtle granite]

all 4 is ok tho

[maiden nexus]

I also thought

[subtle granite]

you fail, adapt overcome, welcome to hades

[maiden nexus]

you could use more than one at start

same time

was like omg Eris with Zag rail

this is op

[subtle granite]

it was

before it got nerfed

[maiden nexus]

no I mean like both aspects together

[subtle granite]

?

[maiden nexus]

Eris and Zag

[subtle granite]

that wouldnt make sense?

[maiden nexus]

like I thought u could combine them

[subtle granite]

ah ok

[maiden nexus]

when I first played I thought it was just upgrade to weapon

[subtle granite]

tbh the dialogue about what the aspects really are, is pretty bad

[maiden nexus]

and a lot of players don't learn the reset mechanic

and a lot of players don't come to discord groups or reddit or whatever

I think at least 20% of players probably trolled titans blood

[subtle granite]

they will learn with the house contractor and wretched broker :)

why always strategize

[maiden nexus]

tbh I don't really care

but I think it should maybe exist

[subtle granite]

tbh i really hate when newcomers come in and ask for the best stuff immediately

like just have fun, experiment, geez

[maiden nexus]

I have a friend who started and I told him

that Artemis dash is op but rest is up for you to decide

cause I am not just gonna give you my playstyle

[subtle granite]

lol

[maiden nexus]

develop your own have fun

experiment

[subtle granite]

"artemis dash is op"

[maiden nexus]

oh

[subtle granite]

never heard of that

[maiden nexus]

and I told him Hammer over everything

I meant

[subtle granite]

most praise athena's dash

[maiden nexus]

athena

A is all the same

[subtle granite]

ah

[maiden nexus]

in my brain

[subtle granite]

D:

so my lady and the blue lady are the same

gotcha, i got my eyes on you buddy 👀

[maiden nexus]

lol

my sleeping meds are just kicking in lol

brain doesnt compute things

[subtle granite]

time to dooze of?

snooze away if you wanna

[maiden nexus]

if I go lay in bed my mind will go to not happy place

[subtle granite]

hmm

any way to help with that?

[maiden nexus]

I have tried a lot of things

[subtle granite]

btw gotta love how two non-new players are hogging the new players channel

[maiden nexus]

we got so off topic

with the others here

lmao

[subtle granite]

well the other talks were a bit about us as newbs

maybe not so much in the end but whatever

[maiden nexus]

tbh is I am new player

from like joining a community aspect

[subtle granite]

with 24 clears streak?

[maiden nexus]

its not bad

[subtle granite]

ah ok

[maiden nexus]

we helped all the people who came

and encouraged them

[subtle granite]

we arent as scary as you assumed?

[maiden nexus]

plus if we are typing somewhere else

maybe we ignore them lol cause I am not jumping channels rn

[polar smelt]

yeah y'all are pretty pog, as much as I like to try research stuff, some things are better just given a human opinion not a generic game review website opinion

[subtle granite]

jumpjump

[maiden nexus]

I remember looking up boon tier lists

they are all bad

[subtle granite]

honestly most game review sites are so bad

[naive hollow]

The aspect of nemesis its NUTS

[subtle granite]

ikr

get it with aphro and her arty duo and it might just be more nuts :)

[maiden nexus]

its stack with arte on special right

to 40%

on attack I mean

[polar smelt]

anyway quick question, am I the only one who can't resist visiting chaos even during good runs

[maiden nexus]

I think

always go chaos

[polar smelt]

always go chaos? that's what i wanted to hear

[maiden nexus]

and chaos legendary boon is op

[subtle granite]

chaos is nice

[maiden nexus]

so just rng it

[polar smelt]

down to like 60/90 hp, should be fine

[maiden nexus]

but next time you go chaos

you get legendary boon

and get one free DD

[subtle granite]

when you have so little hp the portal doesnt accept you

big sob

[maiden nexus]

yea its ssad

[alpine jolt]

i just bought the pool thingy and was pleasantly surprised that it shows you escape stats (runs attempted, slain foes). are there other items that show stats later? id be interested in clear times for bosses and such, detailed stats about the runs etc. would be cool

[polar smelt]

also, is cast better than I think? what does it being lodged into an foe actually do? O.o

[maiden nexus]

I only other thing that shows stats

it getting access to the room

forgot name

[subtle granite]

yes

[alpine jolt]

@polar smelt with the right mirror upgrade, a lodged cast will let you do more damage to the monster or make them slower

[subtle granite]

administrative chambers

and the fountains

[alpine jolt]

ahh coool

[maiden nexus]

administrative chamber

[alpine jolt]

havent unlocked it yet i guess

[subtle granite]

it will take a bit, dont worry :)

[alpine jolt]

game just keeps surprising me with its great design

[subtle granite]

you forgot the west hall fountain

[maiden nexus]

that too

do you mean art design or game design

[polar smelt]

i want to gift zeus nectar but I only ever find him in charon shop

[maiden nexus]

cause Hades is hand painted I believe all supergiant games are I think

[alpine jolt]

game design. bastion was my fav indie game for the longest time. pyre/transistor were good but they didnt fascinate me like bastion. but THIS game just brought the bastion magic back for me. its just so so good. art is great, too though

[subtle granite]

long live jen z.

[maiden nexus]

wait really

you think Bastion is more fascinating than Transistor

[alpine jolt]

transistor never clicked for me sadly

[maiden nexus]

Transistor story is like insane

[alpine jolt]

gameplay wise

[subtle granite]

^

[maiden nexus]

yes gameplay very unique

but pyre aswell honestly

[subtle granite]

the transistor gameplay is just such a new weird thing

[maiden nexus]

where is my chart

[alpine jolt]

bastion was just this all around thing, couldnt put it down. the thing with the narrator was just so unique back then

[subtle granite]

pyre gameplay is really weak in camaign

[maiden nexus]

Gameplay Hades>Pyre>Bastion>Transistor
Story Transistor>Pyre>Hades=Bastion
Sound/Art Transistor>Pyre>Bastion=Hades

no you just

titan star it up

[subtle granite]

yeah but thats one fight inbetween 30mins of visual novel break :)

[maiden nexus]

ah you are not invested in that story then

[subtle granite]

i really fell in love with the gameplay when i got to pyre's rite nite

[maiden nexus]

I fell in love with the characters and storyed

and was more invested in the characters than the gameplay

[subtle granite]

the story is insane

but there is alot of it to read

[maiden nexus]

hot take

[subtle granite]

so sometimes you are just sitting there for 30mins reading

[maiden nexus]

||Best ending have Reader left behind||

[subtle granite]

and then quick 3min battle

back to 10mins reading

[maiden nexus]

I am kinda fine with it tbh

I was more like I wanna complete this rite

to learn more

but how op was Oralech

lmao

[subtle granite]

yee

[maiden nexus]

his stats are like mega insane

[subtle granite]

you didnt really feel it if you decimated your rivals so far tho until you try versus mode

ye

[maiden nexus]

and if u put

hope item on him

the respwan timer is fine

cause the difference between 1 and 2 hope

is like insane massive

[subtle granite]

aye

but yeah the cpu opponents really arent it in the campaign

i get legit shivers watching rite nite tho

maybe i'll be part of it one day too

[maiden nexus]

I am bad lol

never good enough for that

unless you give me tizo

with max out item

then I can smurf it

[subtle granite]

then be part of it and learn with me lol

iam bad too

still wanna get better tho

[maiden nexus]

I am 100% all supergiant games

and am dreading having to do

10 titan stars

I am like 4 titan stars on true nighthawk difficulty and like lose

XDD

[subtle granite]

you never did it?

ahh

[maiden nexus]

like I can just cheese like I did with Transistor

Transistor go void with purge and tap

and game is unlosable

[subtle granite]

i dont even wanna read along because i have 4h in transistor, have mercy

[maiden nexus]

did u beat Transistor?

[subtle granite]

4h, hell no

[maiden nexus]

game is like 5-6 hours long

you could finish in 4

if fast

[subtle granite]

i got to the between room once

and then left cause i got anxious

[maiden nexus]

like the ocean sea

relaxing room?

[subtle granite]

ye

[maiden nexus]

XDDD

[naive hollow]

Im using nova dash +frost flourish. its fun

[subtle granite]

ohh it really does sound fun

[subtle granite]

thanks for laughing at my misery my friend

[maiden nexus]

I would recommend completing Transistor

[naive hollow]

Im leaping around freezing everyone and they cant stop it >:D

[maiden nexus]

Transistor sound track so insane

[subtle granite]

btw i aint saying i left because the relaxing room scared me

but thats the last big thing i remember

i really got weirded out by the gameplay

[maiden nexus]

you should look for killing freeze Faint

why?

[waxen basin]

cough #transistor cough

[subtle granite]

i cant handle new playstyles back to back, so i got further into hades and left transistor behind

[maiden nexus]

sadge

[subtle granite]

yeah

but hey, now i dont suck at hades :D

[maiden nexus]

Yes Hades and Transistor very different gameplay

[subtle granite]

transistor generally has different gameplay

[maiden nexus]

honestly you never really did

if you won in 20 runs

you are probably better than most players

[subtle granite]

i was used to fps, visual novels and farming games

nah it still took me 80 without keepsakes

[maiden nexus]

80?

[subtle granite]

yep

[maiden nexus]

what keepsake is that insane

[subtle granite]

it took me 80 cause i invested all my nectars into trades and cerberus

i was an idiot

[maiden nexus]

I did the same thing

I put all my ambrosia and honey into him

[subtle granite]

i only had the collar and was extremely bad with it

[maiden nexus]

before anyone else

[subtle granite]

want some honey honey lol

thing is i think my rng hated me

cause i never got alot of nectar in those 80 runs

only enough for him and then skelly

and just huge bombastic lightbulb turned on

i realized i f-ed up and restarted to see if it was really just the keepsakes that held me back

maybe i learned a lot in those 80 runs with only a collar on my neck but

from 80 to 20 just because of keepsakes? has to be a sign lmao

[maiden nexus]

I don't think it keepsakes

you probably learned a lot in those 80 runs

[subtle granite]

probably

[maiden nexus]

and got much better

[subtle granite]

but i only won once i bought spear and got the skelly keepsake

[maiden nexus]

I don't think keepsakes really make or break runs except maybe acorn

[subtle granite]

it was a fully new weapon

acorn is good lategame

it sucks early on

[maiden nexus]

yea but make or break

is you make it late

[polar smelt]

ahh the tilt, my best run thrown away cause I did too much damage to the stupid swordboi which meant he was ||calling on god powers|| for 90% of the fight

[maiden nexus]

btw

if you aphrodite call him

[subtle granite]

thats why you focus asterius ;-;

[maiden nexus]

he will basically kill himself

with his

god powers

they will all target him

[subtle granite]

long live the charm

[polar smelt]

I didn't realize how much damage I was outputting arte :c

[subtle granite]

as though he's narcissus lol

[maiden nexus]

and I mean instant

cause u get 2.5k from the call

and then he will just finish himself

[polar smelt]

was just chipping away at him with flurry + hangover specials

next thing I know ares is sending me back to hades lol

[subtle granite]

interesting

[polar smelt]

ah well, we run it back I guess

[maiden nexus]

I think Artemis call is better than Aphrodite but if you are stuck on

on him

probably easiest way to overcome

kill minotaur and just aphrodite him

that is my advice

[polar smelt]

assuming I have Aphrodite handy

[maiden nexus]

just make sure u don't waste your call when he is invulnerable

with keepsakes

its not that hard to get

especially since if you have a boon from a god

they are more likely to show up

[polar smelt]

Wouldn't it be better to use a keepsake for your run-setup so to speak

[maiden nexus]

if you are getting killed

by him every time

you run is setup for him

[subtle granite]

never underestimate calls

[maiden nexus]

and Aphrodite is generally good

has the highest base % dmg increase

[subtle granite]

they are basically free dps and i'm talking LOTS of free dps

[polar smelt]

Yeah i had... drunk god's call for this run, was quite handy for hydra

[subtle granite]

totally not eyeing dio call

[maiden nexus]

Dio call you need

to upgrade though

its low base damage

compared to others

wow nvm

I wow

I thought dio = ||demeter||

[subtle granite]

buddy........

[polar smelt]

upgrade via poms in the run or via mirror or something? I've only unlocked like 1/5th of the mirror atm

(like 8h into playing)

[maiden nexus]

I was referring to poms/rarity

[polar smelt]

fair, still wrapping my head around some of the upgrades

[maiden nexus]

but rarity is kind a super rng

cause u need to Eurydice and then have her hit the right boons

or just get get it epic lol

but mirrior upgrades

[subtle granite]

not if you get gods pride

gods legacy is a meh imo

[maiden nexus]

the 20 key

[subtle granite]

ye

[maiden nexus]

is most important mirror upgrade

yea god legacy

is bad

I just meant like

upgrading it mid run

once chosen

is

kinda hard

and sometimes u can't wait with call

[subtle granite]

matthew dear, are you ready for sleep by any chance?

[maiden nexus]

probably for the best I guess

[subtle granite]

i just worry for ya lad

[maiden nexus]

goodnight guys

[subtle granite]

goodnight matthew

i hope your not so good before sleep time is shorter today

[ocean void]

How many encounters are there in general in one run? I want to know how many run I'll need to max out one keepsake

[subtle granite]

69 👀

[ocean void]

[sly vigil]

hard to tell the average

[flat sierra]

you get about 10 rooms per area

[sly vigil]

anywhere from 55-71 chambers

You get 36 for the first 3 biomes for sure

Styx is different, of course

[flat sierra]

yeah

styx is the wonky one

[subtle granite]

encounters, not chambers tho 🤔

[sly vigil]

If you want to level things up, equip it in Styx and do as many tunnels as you can.

[flat sierra]

or just equip it from the start and never take it off

power level mode

[sly vigil]

or that, too

which I did when I first started out.

Kinda hampered my runs before first clear because doing that is so low value.

but if you are a chad, you can

[ocean void]

I just got a boon with "duo" written next to it, what does that mean?

[subtle granite]

a duo boon!

you got the best of both worlds two gods congratz!

that boon now affects two different things at once :D

what was it?

[ocean void]

Lightning phalanx

[quartz condor]

Recommendations for weapon/keepsake combo to get the first beat? I’m able to get to thesus pretty regularly, but just can’t get over the hump

[leaden whale]

acorn is very good for final boss

[floral nacelle]

Uh, I like using god keepsakes to force a build in the first two biomes, then switching to a defensive keepsake in elysium

[leaden whale]

spearpoint is good in elysium

[quartz condor]

That’s a good idea

Elysium is tough

[subtle granite]

if you dont have all 3 DDs having skellie's tooth is a definite must for the endboss

[floral nacelle]

I like forcing Athena for her dash if she hasn’t showed up on her own by asphodel

[quartz condor]

3dd’s?

[subtle granite]

elysium likes patty's keepsake or acorn

3 death defiances from the mirror

[quartz condor]

Ahh , got them.

[leaden whale]

once you have 3 DDs winning becomes significantly easier

[naive hollow]

3 whats?

[subtle granite]

death defiance

[leaden whale]

death defiances

[naive hollow]

ohhhh

[subtle granite]

the revive mirror aspect

[naive hollow]

i see

[subtle granite]

it's easier to type out DD than death defiance

[naive hollow]

Fair

[polar smelt]

https://i.imgur.com/v7uWzkj.png heroes 7, me 1

[ripe oar]

nice!!!

[subtle granite]

the ominous black

the golden zags

[old harbor]

So true, last night when I was playing I finally could purchase a second DD and it helps SO much. Can't wait to get the third one. XD

[leaden whale]

Just bought this on Switch - really intrigued and I just started.

[ripe oar]

nice! have fun :)

[languid badge]

Just defeated the ||twin bosses in Elysium. This fight brought back the memories of dark soul ornstein and smough ||

[dry wraith]

Yes! If || Ornstein trash talked the hell out of you and Smough was nice || lol

[languid badge]

So about this nectar . || I forgot to who all I have already provided it. And if I am not wrong giving them again doesn't help. But still there would be a prompt to give them the nectar. So are we supposed to remember to whom we have already given or is there any other way which I am missing ||

[ripe oar]

check the codex

you get 1 heart per nectar so you should be able to see who you have yet to give it to that way

[languid badge]

Oh ... That would make it easier .. Thanks for the info ...

[ripe oar]

np

[flint pulsar]

What keepsake should I use if I already have three dd

[subtle granite]

if you have issues with the bosses, acorn;if you have issues with encounters patty spear

[ripe oar]

possibly hypnos

^

[flint pulsar]

Ooo thanks

[subtle granite]

oh sorry i thought that was a survivability keepsake question

[flint pulsar]

And every weapon is pretty good right?

And its mostly just preference

[subtle granite]

exactly :)

sgg did very well on ballancing them all :D

[flint pulsar]

Yea

I noticed that

And I loved it

Cause usually in some games you have to stick with certain weapons and classes while in this game everything is viable

[subtle granite]

trutru

there are of course still favorites for like speedrunning and high difficulty but else it really is all fair to use

[flint pulsar]

Yea

What are the higher difficulty weapons?

[sterile solar]

Like skelly said, you can always use the invention of writing stuff down

[subtle granite]

hmm mainly hidden bow now that i think about it

and demeter fists?

[flint pulsar]

Can someone give me tips for theseus?

Hes a huge pain

[drifting island]

my general strat is to hide behind the pillars to avoid his spear throw and deal with asterius first

then once he's down theseus becomes more manageable

[flint pulsar]

Yuh

[subtle granite]

get a nice call like artemis or dio and get it to ultra call

[flint pulsar]

How do u do that

[subtle granite]

when theseus enters stage two just unleash it upon him

well when chosing boons the gods can sometimes give you calls that charge up from every hit you take and do

[flint pulsar]

Ik thst

[subtle granite]

on kbm you unleash it with the F key

[flint pulsar]

But what's an ultra boon

[subtle granite]

ultra call is when the gauge is full

[flint pulsar]

Ooooo

[drifting island]

greater call, full call

etc

[subtle granite]

trutru

most greater calls get rid of theseus second stage in a few seconds

[prisma socket]

Hey, when you have the tunnels for satyrs, if you find the prize, can you save the heal for after other tunnels somehow?

Or is there some way to tell which one it is?

[subtle granite]

sadly no

[prisma socket]

Ah bummer.

[subtle granite]

the only thing that never changes is that the first tunnel you take never has the end sack and fountain

[prisma socket]

Also - I have twin shot & flurry shot, but still have 1 upgrade to unlock for the bow's fate. The temptation for the anvil is real, but I feel like this run might finally be a winner.

[subtle granite]

if you like your hammers dont do it

it will probably destroy your whole build so far

[prisma socket]

Right? But fated list completions is driving me atm :(

[subtle granite]

the fated list wont run away :c

[ripe oar]

youll get it next time mate

[subtle granite]

it's more work to come back to the end boss :c

kick his ass now and go back .later to get the last fated hammers

[prisma socket]

Here's hoping this works then. Hoping for a good art buff before checking hermes tunnel.

Can art & dem stack on attack somehow?

[ripe oar]

you cant get two boons on attack

[subtle granite]

^

[ripe oar]

or special or cast or dash

and the artemis/dem duo is on cast

so no unfortunately

[subtle granite]

yep, the main attack boon spaces only leave place for one god

[ripe oar]

^

[subtle granite]

you can get a second thing that can influence those (like the tier 2 poseidon boons or some cast duos) but else no

[prisma socket]

Great, thank you. 💛

Phase 2 10% hp. Good lord that is tough.

[ocean void]

i just found out ||aspect of chaos doesn't work with dread flight...||

[fickle mountain]

is it just me or i really suck at dodging ||hades's 360 spin|| with fists

i always get hit by it

[subtle granite]

dash away as soon as you feel it hit 👀

[leaden whale]

empty dash

if you dash attack you won't be invincible

[odd monolith]

Try dashing the opposite path.

[ocean void]

||And I thought meg was the only boss in tartarus 😳 ||

[lone nova]

Oof

[ocean void]

||Alecto destroyed me||

[fickle mountain]

what's the best aspect for stygius

[floral nacelle]

All of the aspects are pretty solid

You can try a flurry slash + cursed slash on zag sword, get big numbers with nemesis, and I love Poseidon aspect for casting, especially with Artemis cast and heart rend

[fickle mountain]

i see

[shrewd edge]

I hate those frickin bombs

[reef herald]

artemis best god 10/10 would hunt

[shrewd edge]

I've really grown to love artemis benefits

[prisma socket]

So I pretty much have only used the bow, just completing it's fated list. Now using the sword. How in the world do you use this thing effectively?

Is it all dash attacks & attacks from behind?

[subtle granite]

you can also dash special to make the time in which your special can be staggred shorter 👀

[prisma socket]

So is that a "more or less yes" to the backstab/dash life?

Bleugh. If only there were a relic for hammers to appear when you start a run :(

[odd monolith]

2 dash strikes then back attack special

That works for me

[crimson bramble]

question: when does it make sense to purge a boon? or, more broadly, how does one put together a competent build in general

[dry wraith]

Generally? Just takes time and experience. Once you become familiar with more boons and effects, it becomes really easy to form a build on the fly.

[crimson bramble]

are there any general principles to follow or do i just have to tinker?

right now I kinda pick whatever seems right or is on my fated list, which has gotten me to elysium once so far

[dry wraith]

Immediately? Pick your favorite weapon. Then discover which aspect is your favorite. Then build from there. Certain Gods/Booms work better with certain weapons/aspects

[crimson bramble]

ooh gotcha. I don't have aspects yet lol

[dry wraith]

Going for the fated list is good to do in the beginning. Gets you familiar with everything and grants you good rewards but it can also gimp you, so be wary of that

When I started, I went for fateds and lost runs because of it but its all part of the learning process/experience

[crimson bramble]

Generally I don't even know when I'm putting together a good or bad build lol

I do like how the list gets me familiar with all the boons

[dry wraith]

Yup. Hard to really know whats good and bad without experiencing them for yourself

But generally Athena is great with everything in the beginning as shes the starter Goddess

[crimson bramble]

sounds logical enough

[dry wraith]

Her Divine Dash wins runs while you’re learning the game

[crimson bramble]

I guess it works better if you know how to dash 😄

[dry wraith]

Thats what Divine Dash is for 😂

[crimson bramble]

loll

[dry wraith]

And its just as amazing at lv1 normal as it is at lv5 heroic

[crimson bramble]

how do i apply build knowledge when it's random what gods i get though

[dry wraith]

Then once you get used to the game and Dash timing you can go for something more offensive

[crimson bramble]

like you can choose which boon from X god you get, when to purge boons, and occasionally which god you get

[dry wraith]

Once you start granting nectar and getting keepsakes you can shift the outcome of which Gods you get

[gray haven]

My newbie build guide for the base weapons is pinned in this channel. Might help you getting started.