still real good tho
#h1-for-new-players
slender kraken
upbeat mason
you rarely use bow at max range
stoic dagger
i was relying on full range on my bow run because i had no good defensive bonuses
lyric quiver
Chiron bow is kinda bad with low levels.
stoic dagger
the only thing stopping them from getting to me was chill special
dense laurel
twin shot and explosive shot shines better with hidden bow
lyric quiver
I love it now tho after i maxed it
stoic dagger
now i just gotta figure out what the hell ambrosia is used for since ive got 7 of the damn things
slender kraken
is for frends :)
stoic dagger
wooohooo
pulsar frigate
think of it as late stage nectar
stoic dagger
i figured it was gonna be something like that so ive been giving all of my nectar to charon to see if i can max him with ambrosia
slender kraken
nectar for the coolest of kids
lyric quiver
Speaking of ambrosia, is it worth it to trade for titan blood?
dense laurel
think of it as via-
lyric quiver
Titan blood seems more useful
stoic dagger
that's a thing that i was gonna do on my next run
stoic dagger
how much is too much
pulsar frigate
if you don’t care about story/side quests, then trade imo
lyric quiver
I see. I usually barely get any nectar so I have a lot of ambrosia
dense laurel
u get so much ambrosia from prophecies, dont worry
pulsar frigate
if you do, then hang on to it for now
slender kraken
story is the best part of the game tho
pulsar frigate
if you care, i’d rather you know the full value of what you’d be trading away before you decide to trade or not
stoic dagger
i was so shook when i got to the surface and ||persephone said "You're alive! You're alive! Thank the gods you're alive!||
like that sold me
dense laurel
technically youre not
pulsar frigate
u get so much ambrosia from prophecies, dont worry
same is also said of titan blood 😛
stoic dagger
i was worried about like how could this game continue happening from a narrative standpoint if zagreus escapes
but thats a way around that issue i guess
dense laurel
same is also said of titan blood 😛
no, the prophecy ambrosia is more than enuf, but not titan blood
like 15 ambrosia for one of the prophecy
stoic dagger
ive been maxing out chaos shield because thats my favorite one to use
love the feeling of smiting everything in a room when i walk in
with zeus special boons
pulsar frigate
nah, you get way more blood than necessary from ||bounties|| (post first clear spoilers) alone, on top of whatever you get from prophecies
dense laurel
see, with ambrosia u dont even have to do much bounties, only story
stoic dagger
you could argue the same of ambrosia tho
seems like ambrosia is harder to get rid of
is my current issue
slender kraken
only for now
stoic dagger
ive got nectar to almost everyone so far just havent had to give out ambrosia yet
pulsar frigate
mixed the numbers up, but in the end, including prophecies, you get more than enough
slender kraken
plus most accept ambrosia at least 3 times
stoic dagger
but im about to max charon next run so ill see what happens there
pulsar frigate
but you’re right in that ||bounties|| don’t give enough (post first clear spoilers)
stoic dagger
he's got a locked heart in the codex so i assume that means ambrosia
weary rune
Favors take a long time it seems, both in terms of conversations and actual actions, so ive decided to sell ambrosia for blood for now
Thats my take on it
pulsar frigate
favors aren’t the only use of ambrosia btw
glossy wagon
Hi, ive done about 6-7 runs. What should I focus on upgrading/unlocking?
leaden whale
mirror
pulsar frigate
all weapons
stoic dagger
seconding weapons
leaden whale
go for darkness and keys whenever u see them
slender kraken
^
pulsar frigate
well, weapons and the first unlockable set of mirror traits
glossy wagon
Yea, i figured the keys were important. Thanks
stoic dagger
if you really feel like being a grindy windy once you get the first 4(?) weapons one of them at random will give more darkness shards per run so you can swap between them for bonus darkness
sleek spire
i was always turning all my... restoration gems? to keys at the shopkeeper
pulsar frigate
i’d also start taking the time to give every character at least one nectar, too
glossy wagon
What does nectar do?
weary rune
if you really feel like being a grindy windy once you get the first 4(?) weapons one of them at random will give more darkness shards per run so you can swap between them for bonus darkness
I wouldnt call that grindy, using the same weapon for the perfect build everytime is more grindy, if you go with the darkness buffs you learn different builds
slender kraken
you give it to people
stoic dagger
you can give it to people you like
pulsar frigate
makes them like you more!
slender kraken
and become frends :)
stoic dagger
nectar is tasty
leaden whale
they might give you something in return too
glossy wagon
Mhmmm, ok. Cool
pulsar frigate
nectar is mainly a narrative resource, but the first heart for every character gives you an important gameplay bonus as well
sleek spire
peaches
stoic dagger
and what's it taste like
nectar
slender kraken
sleek spire
we have a fruit called nectar in turkey
slender kraken
can you drink it
sleek spire
its just a peach that's harder
leaden whale
tastes like blue chocolate chip cookies
pulsar frigate
someone check me but in greek mythology it is straight up just flower nectar i think lol
stoic dagger
> if you really feel like being a grindy windy once you get the first 4(?) weapo...
gonna hard disagree with you here chief
i dont really enjoy using the bow, it doesnt fit my playstyle, but i will sometimes use it when i have the darkness bonus on it because i want the shards. i would absolutely never use the bow if i didnt need the resources from it
slender kraken
every character in hades is confirmed to be a bumble bee then
stoic dagger
dionysus rewarding you for drinking bee fluid 
slender kraken
I love da bow
leaden whale
i started to like the bow when I realized you don't have to power shot every time
stoic dagger
well yeah i figured that out when i got it and did my first run
pulsar frigate
are y’all dash striking with the bow
stoic dagger
i dont need to do another 5 runs to really understand how in depth i dislike the bow
yes
leaden whale
all the time
stoic dagger
i dont like not being able to move
at least with shield im blocking
gun is better to me because i am consistently dealing dps while i am holding left click
slender kraken
gun and bow started as my least favorite weapons now they're my favorites
stoic dagger
bruh moment
slender kraken
bow because you can actually use it pretty quickly
stoic dagger
with bow if i start charging and the enemy strongbow runs away behind a corner im stuck wasting charge time
slender kraken
and gun because with the right stuff you can kill bosses in an absurd amount of time
in my experience
slender kraken
tip for strongbow: stand right in front of them at all times
stoic dagger
why wouldnt i just use a different weapon then
slender kraken
who is the easiest of the elysium guys to deal with imo
stoic dagger
oh definitely
just annoying
what a nerd
strongbow is literally soy wojak
or weak doge
weary rune
Being the weakest of elysium is still pretty good
slender kraken
elysium guys ranking:
easiest: bow guys
easy: spear dudes
alright: sword fellas
hard: shield bros
satan incarnate: the butterfly ball boss >:(
stoic dagger
seconding butterfly ball boss
weary rune
Yep
stoic dagger
cast that into the depths of tartarus
sleek spire
why does everyone say that about the butterfly boss
leaden whale
it isnt that bad
slender kraken
I just do not have the patience for it
weary rune
Because its pretty much a dps check or a multitarget damage check
leaden whale
ur right
sleek spire
ah
stoic dagger
if you dont have bouncing damage like chain lightning the boss will just not die and the room fills with nerds with shields
slender kraken
either I have the stuff to kill it quickly or I lose a death defiance
and continue to hate the boss
stoic dagger
or if i kill the souls then the room fills with butterflies
its a theseus moment of "i cant do both"
weary rune
Learned recently that you get more elites later if you avoid them early
Knowing that i took more early elites to avoid butterfly ball whenever possible
stoic dagger
makes sense
i thought you always get a miniboss on each floor
butterfly or minotaur
weary rune
Nah you can definitely get through without one
fervent socket
how do you know what's an elite room or not
i always see the skull icons
but don't know what they actually mean
weary rune
Skulls are either tough encounter or elites
slender kraken
normal skull is just hard room
fervent socket
define tough encounter
weary rune
Armored guys
slender kraken
skull with a red thing next to it is a miniboss
weary rune
And perks with heat
fervent socket
and how do I know when it's a fountain chamber
stoic dagger
skull icons on a door signify a hard room, skull + arrow means miniboss, skull + big arrow means big boss
slender kraken
and two skulls is the real boss
stoic dagger
you dont AFAIK
fervent socket
not be ridiculously tiny icons
stoic dagger
wouldnt it be poseidon since its
slender kraken
get better eyes :)
stoic dagger
yknow
fervent socket
couldn't they just have tooltips to show it
stoic dagger
water
fervent socket
have you SEEN a switch screen
slender kraken
yes
stoic dagger
or dionysus since everyone is chilling
weary rune
Yeah tooltips wouldve been nice
slender kraken
and?
leaden whale
I love how the game just throws you into a run
fervent socket
game throwing you into a run is fine
fervent socket
that's a good way to begin learning
stoic dagger
"WASD"
fervent socket
but like
daring delta
Just skull: armored enemies
Skull and one army-style bar: miniboss
Skull and two bars: boss
fervent socket
explain what the icons on the rooms are
stoic dagger
i was so excited first time i beat megaera
then i died to the suicide bomber skull dudes in asphodel
pulsar frigate
stoic dagger
i used like 2 death defies to get past her
pulsar frigate
this should really be pinned in here lol
floral nacelle
That’s still better than me
The first time I made it to asphodel I pretty much died to the lava right away
leaden whale
I died in asphodel so many times
pulsar frigate
anyways, this is old and a little outdated, but it still works
leaden whale
i could Not deal with the lava
or the smokescreens
now I just instinctively avoid.both
stoic dagger
my wireless bluetooth keyboard ran out of battery in the magma in asphodel
floral nacelle
Even worse if you knock the little Medusa heads to the edge of the map where you can’t reach them
stoic dagger
right next to the dock with the very first boat
pulsar frigate
what
fervent socket
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/h...
Things I've had to look up
- Sparkling gods boons give guaranteed rare-legendary
- What on earth is a "difficult encounter"
floral nacelle
That little S shaped map in asphodel is pretty bad
fervent socket
- What the hell is the diff between rarity and level
dense laurel
thats an ez question
leaden whale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/772668193583398962/bruh.mp4 this is definitely my worst death
I hadnt even seen the bone hydra yet
pulsar frigate
difficult encounters are specifically blue laurel rooms: they’re usually filled with armored enemies and give double resources
weary rune
Oh yeah rarity and level are a bit unintuitive, luckily nothing you need to optimize from the start
fervent socket
- Why are those stars so small
dense laurel
gasp swearing in this christian house?
fervent socket
Until the first time you run into Eurydice
dense laurel
unacceptable
fervent socket
this is greek mythology
pulsar frigate
think of rarity as the base number levels build off of
pulsar frigate
levels give diminishing returns but are way more plentiful
rarity boosts are very, very few, but are usually static and significant
fervent socket
yeah I had to look all that up
the only direct rarity boost is eurydice
demeter resets your rarities first
so that's much slower
leaden whale
the first pom on a boon is usually as good as a rarity boost
fervent socket
and charon is speculative
weary rune
Imo poms never feel strong enough after lvl 2 unless the boon is already epic
fervent socket
also really silly is that they don't cover mechanics well
weary rune
Heart / hammer > pom for lvl 3+
slender kraken
I never really go for poms unless I have no choice
fervent socket
like i was wondering wtf was going on the other day
when I had zeus boon
and a heroic pressure points
and wondering wtf was going on with the lightning
floral nacelle
I take poms over money early in the game, but later, if I think my boons are good enough, I take the money
pulsar frigate
should be noted that diminishing returns don’t really apply to hangover, blade rifts, and crystal beams
those scale the best with poms
slender kraken
how many times can a boon be pommed?
floral nacelle
Pressure points also forces a +1% too for critical chance
leaden whale
a lot
weary rune
Yeah but they also scale a bit slower already, if you do the math
pulsar frigate
and also aphrodite attack and special lol, her stuff scales well too
floral nacelle
As many times as you want
pulsar frigate
how many times can a boon be pommed?
if there is a cap, it’s one nobody would ever reach reasonably
floral nacelle
There’s a level 39 Aphrodite strike video out there
slender kraken
pulsar frigate
seen screenshots of lvl 37 tidal dashes
floral nacelle
Sadly the guy ended up losing
weary rune
Lvl 99 Pressure Points 
floral nacelle
But maybe it would’ve won at level 40
slender kraken
everyone gangsta till you get max gauge bonus aphrodite call at lv 40
wait you can pom the calls right
pulsar frigate
yes
slender kraken
ok i thought you couldn't for a second
floral nacelle
Yeah, pomming Athena call is strong
slender kraken
probably because I almost never use poms
fervent socket
how do the damage bonuses work out
like surely the damage reductions are not additive
floral nacelle
Call lasts longer and it gives you invincibility
weary rune
Was about to say, lvl 40 athena call for like 5 minutes of invul
fervent socket
like say, combine urge to kill with a damage boon
versus different league and bronze skin
pulsar frigate
most numbers in the game are additive, damage resistance is specifically multiplicative though
weary rune
Is dodge mult or does it cap?
fervent socket
damage resistance would be goofy if it was additive
i wish they elaborated stuff as to what can crit and wha tdoesn't
copper wing
thanatos encounters are randomized right?
fervent socket
and what's affected by bonuses and what isn't
weary rune
Would be nice if you could see the added up bonuses for each attack in the boon view
Maybe something for a mod
fervent socket
i play on the switch
pulsar frigate
thanatos encounters are randomized right?
should be, need to have taken damage within the past 3 chambers though
copper wing
should be, need to have taken damage within the past 3 chambers though
easy to do with skills like mine-
or lack thereof-
pulsar frigate
thanatos encounters are specifically explained as him helping zagreus out from a bad room of enemies
which is why, i’m guessing
weary rune
I mean from his point of view zagreus could always be bad at dealing death
lyric quiver
😳 What a good hubby
pulsar frigate
also, he gives you a free heart if you win the challenge too, so that helps
copper wing
also, he gives you a free heart if you win the challenge too, so that helps
what a good boi
||can't wait to romance him-||
pulsar frigate
gotta stuff him with nectar 😛
copper wing
kinky
weary rune
Do his rooms also lead to him showing up in the house like meg?
pulsar frigate
yep, he should always appear in the house if you encounter him
weary rune
Commence operation Death Bait
lyric quiver
Wait. Doesn't that mean that Thanatos is constantly watching zag 😳
slender kraken
stalker
leaden whale
i got to the last floor yesterday
ugh
i came really close
but those rats really messed me up
i lost 2 death defiances and died
dusky plume
Quick question. It's only taken me about 10 runs to reach styx. This surprised me a bit. It seems like I'm close to the end, and I thought it would be harder. Is this normal? How will the game continue to be exciting after 100 runs?
leaden whale
You can rotate between weapons, aspects, and (something you will unlock after first clear) ||extra difficulty modifiers||
I'm about 80 hrs in and haven't exhausted the dialogue pool yet
dusky plume
Nice, and the gameplay keeps being engaging? You don't hit a skill-ceiling too quickly?
leaden whale
If you don't stick to the same thing (weapon/aspect/build/level) every time, yes
It's bound to become repetitive but that's the nature of this genre
dusky plume
Yes, of course. Thanks for sharing your take on it, it has somewhat quieted my worries.
Besides, we'll see how I managed Styx, seems pretty tough 👀
No reason putting the cart before the horse lol
daring delta
gotta stuff him with nectar 😛
Sir/madam, this channel is PG-13
slender kraken
but... the game is rated T
daring delta
Look, I just don't want to know where you put your "nectar"
slender kraken
nah I got ambrosia
knotty grail
Is there a point where there's no more dialogues? or at some point - they just become more generic?
pulsar frigate
i got to that point uhhhh 300-ish hours in? like, full full done with everything
of course a 1.0 player will have a different experience than me, so take my word with a grain of salt
knotty grail
It's not that I'm rushing to get there. I'm just interested to know what happen when they end. Ifff the end.
Must be tons of voice acting 🙂
floral nacelle
They have dialogue for very niche situations too
Like getting to theseus with a certain well of Charon item still active
knotty grail
That's pretty crazy. But attention to details. No wonder that's a SuperGiant game 🙂
I wonder if you can, like - start a fresh save game, and escape on your first attempt. What the dialogues would be.
I think someone mentioned the final boss has an extra dialogue if you reach it without picking any boons.
So it just make me wonder if at some point, the dialogues and the ability to talk with NPC just stop. Or they have rolling generic stuff you get at end-game.
Also, I asked it before, but I missed the answer if any - and I can't find it. I finished unlocked all the Mirror upgrades, and weapons. Leaving aside 1-2 keys for respec (which I assume is also temporary because you can just unlocked all upgrades with enough Darkness). So what can I do with Keys? Trade them? Or better keep them as future upgrades need them?
lyric quiver
I alwys keep at least 15 for possible titan bloods from the broker.
knotty grail
Think I saw Ican trade 5 Keys for Necter?
lyric quiver
I wouldnt
knotty grail
So, keep 15 and any 5 on tops of it sell for Necter? or better to just save them in case you will be lucky enough to have very close limited time trade with Blood?
lyric quiver
Yeah that should be fine. You can trade keys for gems anyway in case you get titan bloods back tp back
silent magnet
So, keep 15 and any 5 on tops of it sell for Necter? or better to just save them...
More or less that's what I do too. I would keep an extra one key though in early game so I can reset my mirror if needed. Late game, you'll have enough darkness to max the mirror so no need to keep one key. Keep at least 15 :)
lyric quiver
What klondike said. It should be fine to spend the extra keys for what you want.
austere nest
I just realized giving up doesn't save your dark stone progression from the run
kill me
austere nest
should have killed myself the old way 
knotty grail
Cool.
Thank you both.
Is Blood is always a Priority? I saw couple of times a chance to trade Ambrosia (which I can't use yet - so I guess I will be in the future), for Blood.
Is Blood > All?
pulsar frigate
if you care about the characters’ stories/sidequests, i’d keep the ambrosia for now
knotty grail
Oh, I very much do.
pulsar frigate
you get way more of these resources after the first clear, anyway, in addition to prophecies
knotty grail
Allright. Will hold to them. Thanks!
knotty grail
I will. I just noticed First Necter unlock the Wardrobe item.
So I made sure each NPC gets one.
daring delta
I'll risk breaking the spoiler rules and say: don't give nectar to certain round inanimate things that don't have a codex entry
knotty grail
I'm done with it now (except a single NPC I didn't encounter yet).
daring delta
There is a reward but it is small
knotty grail
Will keep it in mind.
leaden whale
the best thing i ever got from that was ||5% attack bonus||
def carried my high ||heat|| run
daring delta
Giving every character one nectar is good but after that you might want to focus on a few characters at a time. Like, pick three favorites
Or don't! Do what you like :)
vale hinge
i guys how can u unlock the second aspect of each weapon?
and what weapon u recommnend to beat hades first time
vale hinge
i have all weapons and aspect of zagreus
but the second aspect? or 3rd of the sword for ex
?
upbeat mason
ok
let's say you want to unlock second sword aspect
you go to the training room
inspect the sword to equip it
and inspect it again to open the aspect menu
upbeat mason
uhh
vale hinge
but cant use it to the second aspect
upbeat mason
oh wait
upbeat mason
are you talking about poseidon or nemesis
no you just need one
nemesis needs one
poseidon needs two
upbeat mason
and ||heat||
1200 is very doable if you never touch shop and use the green mirror for gold
knotty grail
I have around time playing the ||Railgun||, ||Aspect of Eris|| and a Controller. Clicking"Y" will auto-target remote enemies. So I need to dash into the Circle radius. And that's kinda strange.
Is there perhaps a better way to play it with a Controller? Maybe turn off auto-aim?
Or it basically suppose to make this a melee build?
storm hill
You can hold Y and then reposition the circle if they're very far away
pastel cipher
@vale hinge ||The Hades fight is considered spoilers in this channel|| so please use spoiler tags ^_^
vale hinge
oh im so sorry idk how to use this thing
what can i type if i want to talk about these thing?
pastel cipher
||spoilers go here||
pastel cipher
no worries ^_^
pastel cipher
the message goes within the 2 ||
vale hinge
ok
pastel cipher
2 sets of "||" I should say
vale hinge
my fav game rn dude im so excited i play 10000 hours with th e quarantine
pastel cipher
referring to them as redacted or final boss works fine too :3
vale hinge
its so perfect
pastel cipher
niceu, glad to hear you're enjoying yourself ^_^
vale hinge
xDDD
leaden whale
Theseus is so annoying
also, its too risky with the Twin Fists... you need Divine Strike and Divine Dash from Athena to almost completely block the damage from Theseus and Hades
its really a long fight with close ranged weapons 😦
leaden whale
I do the same
vale hinge
you can hit him when she calls and stay behind towers dor his spear then its gg
leaden whale
but Theseus just does me in 😦
vale hinge
i never tried it with fists tho idk
leaden whale
its kinda Harder with the Fists coz you are very close range
vale hinge
im new too no worries u need to farm i guess more darknesses etc to get urself upgraded
yes but i have beat him with the sword which is same playstyle
daring delta
Stay away till he throws, then bonk bonk bonk and dash away, repeat
vale hinge
exactly
leaden whale
the only way to beat ||Theseus and Hades|| with the Twin Fists is get the Athena Boons and hit them constantly and get the Zagreus Aspect
that way you wont get hit too many times
slow moat
Darkness will be beneficial, I found upgrading my mirror a lot helped make my way through
leaden whale
spoiler tag the final boss name my dudes
daring delta
Hmmm after I finish eating this sandwich I'll let you know if it's possible without Athena boons
leaden whale
we in the new player channel
daring delta
Literally paused when Minotaur went down
leaden whale
i can see why that fight would be harder with fists
daring delta
Don't get speared, dash in, bonk bonk bonk, dash out,repeat
slow moat
Fists are good with a critical damage based build, and if you get some good upgrades it can make things very easy
leaden whale
Hmmm after I finish eating this sandwich I'll let you know if it's possible with...
I tried with Zeus Attack... but you get hit when you are close enough... so with Athena Attack you literally Deflect almost everything
daring delta
They wrecked me Good att first too. Don't worry about it. You'll learn
And Upgrade the mirror
leaden whale
Fists are good with a critical damage based build, and if you get some good upgr...
Never tried with Artemis Boons, now that you say it, the crit chance is high since you hit so fast with the Fists 🤔
slow moat
Yessir
leaden whale
I'll try with Artemis 👍
slow moat
And if you were to get Herme's ||Swift Strike Boon|| and ||Hyper Sprint Boon for Sturdy||
It'd be lit
idk if naming boons is classified as spoilers so i did it just in case
leaden whale
instead of the Hyper Sprint Boon, Colossus Knuckle works better
slow moat
True
leaden whale
I go with Colossus Knuckle and Breaching Cross
daring delta
Just Keep playing. Get better. Get stronger. It's possible
leaden whale
yeah
slow moat
Experiment with builds too, makes the game fun
leaden whale
I'll try with Artemis and Athena Boons for the Fists
daring delta
All My builds are pure trash because I keep trying to strike off prophecies
leaden whale
All My builds are pure trash because I keep trying to strike off prophecies
same... focusing on that too
and also trying to get ||Titan Blood||
daring delta
Just Keep playing and you'll make it :)
leaden whale
yeah
thanks 🙂
I defeated ||Hades|| with the Shield, need to defeat him with other weapons now
but the Malphon are fun to use, I totally dig them 😄
dry hatch
What weapon like recommend upgrading first the rail gun?
pearl quiver
Sword with aspect of nemesis feels easy for me
and the chaos shield is my favorite, just fun throwing bouncy disks everywhere
- you get a free 'block' you have without cooldown so its strong in the final fight
@dry hatch
golden hare
meg's next relationship heart thing is locked, how do i unlock it to progress?
olive ruin
Hello, what happens if i buy 2 kinds of rugs from the house contractor? Can i switch them at will or will one overwrite the other forcing me to buy the last one again?
drowsy obsidian
My thoughts when i unlocked the Adament Rail for the first Time “Ah my favorite ancient Greek weapon a G U N”
pulsar frigate
Hello, what happens if i buy 2 kinds of rugs from the house contractor? Can i sw...
you can toggle one or the other at any time in the contractor menu
olive ruin
Thanks
pulsar frigate
👍
drowsy obsidian
How do i get more titan blood
sinful thistle
you have to either trade it with ambrosia
or you have to escape! 🙂
or finish some prophesies
true sand
All My builds are pure trash because I keep trying to strike off prophecies
Ya I've been doing that too, still have a ton more to go
daring delta
I think I have Demeter plus Hermes Legendary left, and a Ares/Aph duo, then I can start doing mostly good builds
Still need to pick Up trash Daedslus Hammers if I'm missing them
rose marten
i still don't get how merciful end works and why is it OP according to many
pulsar frigate
when you apply doom to something, you can instantly end it by applying some sort of deflective ability (you don't need to deflect)
ME is most used on fists, so let's say ares attack and athena dash
rose marten
so the deflect ability instantiates the doom delay, dealing extra damage right
pulsar frigate
when you dash strike with ME, you apply both the doom and the divine in one strike, basically increasing your per-hit damage by the doom amount + the 40 bonus damage ME has innately
rose marten
i see
pulsar frigate
fists strike very fast, therefore it's a supreme option on fists
leaden whale
so I tried Twin Fists with Artemis Boons... it has High Damage output... but it doesn't scale too well against the 3rd and 4th boss
Merciful End is hard to setup I think
winter dagger
i have been trying my best to play hades but its just so depressing with how i've improved basically none over the week i played, seeing how people like hutts blasted through it doesnt make it better either, aswell as my friends telling me nothing else than git gud
heady comet
relax everyone goes at their own pace
weary cedar
Exactly, what could take one person 10 runs to accomplish could take another person 48
static anvil
Plus dying is good 
moar dialogue
weary cedar
Mmhm, don't fear "failing", and just keep at it, try anything you think will work, and feel free to ask people what worked for them. Try, die, again, lol
leaden whale
dying ≠ failure, dying = progress
harsh leaf
Losing is fun!
spice spear
"There is no escape"
subtle granite
find how you feel most comfortable to start off maybe? it took me days to beat the game once and afterwards i just got comfortable with 3 certain gods and got better at fighting via forcing them(keepsakes are bae), they basically let me train with one less variable that couldve made or broken it for me, now i feel good enough to actually let the game challenge me. after 200h i brought up the heat and stopped using keepsakes to force my trio of comfort :)
subtle granite
tooth is great in the end
spice spear
ye
subtle granite
but tooth is great for the very end if you know you will need one more life
its a trap for using it any other time, surely
heady comet
it gives like 50 health vs collar giving 50 health, plus more from dd
harsh leaf
If you have 3 DDs, Collar is almost as much health as Tooth
subtle granite
it gives 100 if maxed, no?
harsh leaf
But Collar actually does something the entire run
heady comet
i mean u could swap them out before facing final boss
subtle granite
why force yourself only one keepsake if you can change it every stage
harsh leaf
i mean u could swap them out before facing final boss
For 25 EHP increase?
If you're worried about surviving bosses, Acorn is better
heady comet
tooth: +100 health
collar: +50 health, +25*3dd
=> collar is better
subtle granite
if you have less than 200 health and get skelly for end boss - beautifuö
harsh leaf
And Acorn, again, does something the entire run
Tooth is the worst keepsake you can take if you're worried about survivability. Even Bracer would be better
subtle granite
again, why force yourself only one keepsake if you can change it every stage
harsh leaf
Because Tooth is still bad if you switch into it at the end
dry hatch
Can I not reset my weapons?
heady comet
nope
dry hatch
Dang
harsh leaf
Can I not reset my weapons?
You mean the blood? No
subtle granite
tooth made me win my first 10 times against the end boss and collar never got me even one 😂
heady comet
technically acorn is the best since it blocks like 200 damage
subtle granite
but thats personal preference
harsh leaf
tooth made me win my first 10 times against the end boss and collar never got me...
You getting better across multiple runs has nothing to do with the keepsakes m8
subtle granite
it can block 200 damage, could also be 50 damage
dry hatch
Acorn the shield?
heady comet
at final boss, all of his attacks deal like 40 damage each
subtle granite
You getting better across multiple runs has nothing to do with the keepsakes m8
i used the collar multiple times after winning with skelly and still never got a win with it m8
harsh leaf
at final boss, all of his attacks deal like 40 damage each
More if you get boiling blood'd
subtle granite
still just progress?
heady comet
could be different weapons, higher difficulty levels
subtle granite
at final boss, all of his attacks deal like 40 damage each
his goons do less damage and can also trigger the acorn tho
dry hatch
I should of upgraded my shield
harsh leaf
Just dont get hit
dry hatch
Instead of rail
harsh leaf
the goons are regular enemies
They do count
heady comet
no im saying goons are regular enemies so super easy to dodge
dry hatch
Yeah that’s what I lvled @heady comet
harsh leaf
no im saying goons are regular enemies so super easy to dodge
Not at ||EM4|| 
heady comet
you can equip zeus keepsake to guarantee getting chance of zeus attack first
dry hatch
How do I do that
winter dagger
a, well at least i feel a bit better now
dry hatch
Oh okay
harsh leaf
Give one nectar to each person, they will give you a keepsake
Even the gods, during runs
Even the dog
static anvil
a, well at least i feel a bit better now
Yith, you will always die, even when you're gud so start embracing death, he's your bff
dry hatch
Lmao yeah death is always happening
Furthest I got so far is 3rd boss
I bought it yesterday
heady comet
Yith, you will always die, even when you're gud <:failbag:459075377814568960> so...
more than ur bff 😉
lyric quiver
crystal echo
man, this game is so good. first time and 4 hours gone already
vale hinge
YEA i have 4days 10hours playing hades
orchid root
Normally play games for an hour and fifty minutes and decide if i'll refund or not, but an hour and a half and i was already decided to keep it
olive ruin
Does Poseidon cast gets stuck in a enemy? Or is it like Dyonisius?
harsh leaf
It does
lyric quiver
It gets stuck
olive ruin
thanks
harsh leaf
Gotta aim well, though
orchid root
So, i forgot what daedalus hammers did, and i have to decide between that and an Hermes buff, can someone remind me so i don't feel like maybe i did a wrong choice?
harsh leaf
Daedalus Hammers change some things of your weapon
lyric quiver
hammers modify your special or attack. I usually prioritize them over anything
orchid root
alrighty then, thank you
uncut parrot
hammers alter the weapon in many ways and hermes is usually dash or speed related boons
vale hinge
dont make the mistake i have done tho guys dont spend you titans blood in one aspect
i did x5 zagreus aspect and now i cant upgrady any weapon atm
so i need to find titans or trade something for titans to make this happens
lyric quiver
you can get more titan blood by meeting the heat requirements and using other weapons then killing the bosses that drop them. Also, I would say it is worth to max Chiron bow. 
harsh leaf
Or... you could just beat the game
pure fern
lol you say "meeting heat requirements" as if every new player who comes here has already beaten the final boss
harsh leaf
If you havent beaten the final boss yet, then it really doesnt matter if you cant upgrade weapons 🤷♂️
floral nacelle
You can just trade for titan blood too, at the wretched broker
Keys become useless pretty quickly, so hope for that 15 key = 1 blood deal
lyric quiver
lol you say "meeting heat requirements" as if every new player who comes here ha...
Lmao. I never said they did. I just shared one of the ways to get more titan blood.
floral nacelle
Also some prophecies too, but I think the vast majority of prophecy titan blood is from beating the game, even if it’s differently from how you normally play
Worth it, though, you get a lot at once
analog radish
hello
sly vigil
hello
analog radish
no
anyway
so u know the Aspect of chaos
is zeus special + ares attack good?
because u can bull rush witch inflicts doom and then ur special does lightning
harsh leaf
I mean, there is no synergy there but it's alright I guess
analog radish
why not
harsh leaf
They are good in that they are boons that deal damage
heady comet
lightning isnt affected by the special stacks
analog radish
yes it is?
heady comet
doom special is much better since u can get the stacking boon
"Has internal cooldown of .2 per target. (Bolt only triggers, at most, 5 times per second per enemy)"
harsh leaf
If you hit an enemy with mutiple effects that cause lightning, they dont all trigger
heady comet
since all shields hit at the same time, it doesnt work
analog radish
ahha
harsh leaf
It's okay if you hit multiple enemies
But with Chaos, you really want to shotgun bosses down
And zeus special doesnt really allow that
analog radish
so whats good on special
heady comet
doom
harsh leaf
Artemis is okay, Demeter is okay
analog radish
i got zeus legendary on special and it did big damage
heady comet
https://youtu.be/EbMkJBxIVaI?t=398 this is a good guide for chaos shield w/ ares special
harsh leaf
At your skill level, I'm guessing you don't need to worry too much about synergy, just make sure you're dealing enough damage and you're golden
harsh leaf
Yes
lyric quiver
slender kraken
ron
wide inlet
sly vigil
how is your mirror doing?
like you already have it equipped from the previous biome?
if so then no, it's not normal. F10 maybe?
hopefully it's a one time thing. that shouldn't happen if what you described is true.
you can F10 that when it happens. If you can get a recording, maybe we can help, too, in case something wonky happened.
floral nacelle
I’ve bought a chaos gate for asphodel before and it didn’t show up
I looked all over the map, there only was an ||Erebus gate|| there
thick prism
i like zeus aspect
knotty grail
I wonder, how many successful runs you need to win to conclude the Story?
heady comet
||10|| for end credits
knotty grail
Cool, thank you.
fresh gate
Auto reload makes your cast stockpile regen faster when using stygian soul from the mirror
So you are able to cast more often
Swift strike and flourish make your attack/special take less time to execute, respectively
Yes
Most attack or special heavy builds will benefit, especially from the higher rarities. A lot depends on what I'm trying to do and what other boons Hermes has on offer though.
But in general they're never going to be a bad option unless you're doing a cast/dash focused build.
Obviously don't take flourish if you're running a pure attack build, or strike on a pure special build
Most importantly is play around with them and figure out what you like best
pure jewel
what are some tips for people playing without guides?
formal goblet
hey guys the last 2 weapon slots before starting a run are empty for me
I only see the sword,spear,shield and the bow
is that a bug? Do I have to unlock them later?
I'm missing the gauntlet and the gun thing
sullen lava
Those come later after you've done a few runs and unlocked a few things
Keep grabbing keys @formal goblet
formal goblet
ive unlocked evberyother weapon have plenti of keys
sullen lava
Yep. The game deliberately unlocks things one run at a time. So sometimes, if you're powering through a few benchmarks in one go, it can take a few runs for it all to catch up
Keep playing, and they'll appear
wide cliff
spear i like too
spear best weapon i think
sullen lava
Shield is surprisingly good
sullen lava
Shield def has a learning curve
slender kraken
how to shield: dash and bull rush a lot
sullen lava
I wouldn't say it's the hardest weapon.
stray fiber
My first clear was with the shield.
sullen lava
But it's not without a learning curve.
stray fiber
I think I didn't realize it was blocking when you are charging it up.
It's sort of defensive do you use the shield to block attacks? I think that was what clicked before I cleared first.
sullen lava
I could stream a shield run, right after this run I'm currently playing
Keep in mind I've only had one escape tho
But I get out of Elysium pretty consistently'
pure jewel
my biggest enemy is drowning in lava
stray fiber
Same ^
sullen lava
A lot of people say that
But I don't find that to be true
Not sure why I find it reversed
stray fiber
I am old and have poor mechanics, so if you are bad at positioning, kiting like me the safest IMO are ||Aspect of Arthur, helps with lava, traps -> Exagryph with crazy boons, upgrades, it's like a machine gun with shotgun shells if you get the explosive shot, zeus or any decent attack boons -> The basic or Zeus shield (not including Chaos aspect as it needs you to upgrade it to use it effectively||
||Styx is hard for me because of poison, I accidentally step on it and forget to cure, same with lava||
sullen lava
Poison is def worse than lava
I dash on and off lava. But holy crap poison just eats through you
leaden whale
I play hyper aggro with shield lmao
well I play hyper aggro with every weapon but still
pure jewel
i think im yet to see poison
leaden whale
I use dash attack and bull rush a lot
stray fiber
Also keep in mind that some players might not have gotten to all regions. So it would be nice to spoiler messages.
pure jewel
whats a good item to be holding?
lyric quiver
Butterfly
sullen lava
I prefer Plume tbh
sly vigil
whats a good item to be holding?
depends. but you are better off swapping in general. holding items such as butterfly and plume are a bit underwhelming. shackle is ok but quite situational. just swap.
pure jewel
i go with hourglass a lot
dense laurel
i do use shackles for tartarus
stray fiber
||Based on advice I've gotten and it has worked well so far, a god keepsake, second god keepsake (once you have gotten the boon you were fishing for) and then Evergreen acorn for Hades if you have difficulty beating him||
floral nacelle
Elysium it varies
Sometimes I go another god keepsake, acorn, coin purse, depends how confident I feel about boss fight
stray fiber
One thing that might be helpful for new players to know is that you can gift the gods when the boon appears to get their keepsakes. I had played for about a month and cleared twice before I even found out 
dense laurel
eh if i want to use coin purse ill get it in tartarus so golden touch be more effective
stray fiber
There don't seem to be a whole lot of videos on strategy compared to other games when I try to look on youtube. Is this the case or am I just not looking correctly?
sudden rampart
Anyone has the server’s icon ?
dry hatch
What weapon y’all use got you the farthest
stray fiber
We had this discussion earlier and shield was the first weapon I was able to clear with.
dry hatch
What stuff do you recommend trying to go for and artifact to use
stray fiber
I have now cleared with at least one aspect on each weapon and this is the order of easiness for me personally #h1-for-new-players message
tender magnet
What weapon y’all use got you the farthest
I have fastest clear on blade
stray fiber
What stuff do you recommend trying to go for and artifact to use
Whatever weapon you feel comfortable with and there is a pinned guide on what boons work for each weapon's default aspect.
tender magnet
first clear on shield
stray fiber
Shield does seem like an easy weapon to clear first with for new players because of it's defensive bull rush thing.
I can't even remember what boons or keepsakes I used then, but the guide recommends divine dash on most weapons and that definitely does help me with the deflects.
floral nacelle
laughs in ares doom special
stray fiber
The guide does recommend Curse of pain for shield
sly vigil
pog
lyric quiver
grats
orchid root
pog
lyric quiver
Dusa is mad you killed her friend
orchid root
Can you gift something to Dusa???
sly vigil
yeah you can, if you already have the prereq
lyric quiver
Yes
orchid root
Good
random relic
Any NPC you can talk to you can gift
lyric quiver
Give babi Dusa all the gifts
random relic
You can also get duos when there is no dialog
the first time round
I'm going for the mythical
"play the entire game on keyboard"
or bind everything to mouse strategy
orchid root
You can gift her something just after you beat Elysium or you'll eventually be able to?
Cus as of now i'm stuck at Man and Bull
sly vigil
You can gift her something just after you beat Elysium or you'll eventually be a...
you will be able to eventually. I don't think that's the lock.
lyric quiver
I think you just talk to Dusa until you eventually be able to
stray fiber
One thing I noticed about gifting Dusa is ||the gift icon appears at first but if I decide to talk first instead she just flew away a lot of times after talking||
random relic
the movement in this game takes a lil to get used to on M+K
but is nice
This is so much better after turning aim assist off
I wish I could just forget all of the story I've learned from let's plays n stuff
slow moat
Going into games blind is the best way i reckon
random relic
generally is
just this one is v nice
I'm trying to forget it however I can
Some games better not blind some for sure
orchid root
I'm still having a hard time evading Minos's charge attack, any advice?
upbeat mason
he attacks in a pattern
slow moat
When he does his charge rush ||dash through a pillar so he runs into it||
upbeat mason
three swipes and and a axe dunk
upbeat mason
attack after the dunk
random relic
but still good second run
orchid root
attack after the dunk
Yeah, i have an idea of what to do with all his attacks but the bull charge
i evade but eventually he gets me most of the time, can't get him to hit a wall or furniture
slow moat
Check my message Pingo
upbeat mason
oh mb
orchid root
wait, you can dash through pillars?
slow moat
Yessir
upbeat mason
you can
sly vigil
you can dash through most walls.
upbeat mason
you can phase through any obstacles thinner than your dash
orchid root
oh welp, didn't knew that, thanks for the help
slow moat
lyric quiver
slender kraken
random relic
beat hydra run 3
Died on a challenge Artemis room oof
Better than getting like 4 hearts in a row + learned how the butterfly balls work
sullen lava
So I just switched to controller
I have to say, the game is so much easier this way
Controlling positioning is so much more important to be precise with than aiming
random relic
Even if I did switch I haven't used controller in so long
it has always just felt
wrong to me
sullen lava
I mean that's fair. But I usually prefer mouse and keyboard over controller for PC games
This is one of those games tho where I can feel the controller works better, if you're someone who can play it that way
random relic
makes sense
I'm doing pretty well so far
just gotta experiment see what works for me and what doesn't
also only have I now noticed the mural behind dad
leaden whale
foggy radish
hey does anyone have any tips on how to beat ||the furies once the other two are added to the pool?|| I've gotten pretty consistent at beating Maegera, but the other two are running me through the wringer
lyric quiver
The one that says the m-word quickky dies from deflect when she does that green orb thing
static anvil
hey does anyone have any tips on how to beat ||the furies once the other two are...
Learn the routines and dodge and hit whenever you get the window prolly used ranged weapons whilst learning
lyric quiver
random relic
give me a shop already aaaagh
and my second which is a bad one
time for the elysium boss
lyric quiver
gl
leaden whale
Hi everyone!! Switch player here, just got the game this weekend. Question: when I pull up my list of Boons that I have, if I click the icons, they get little circular badges added to them. What is this for?
slow moat
Just for seeing multiple descriptions at a time
I dont think it has any other value besides that
Also, I hope you enjoy the game!
random relic
7 hp and a dream
holy hell that was tough
totally screwed* for new floor
no DF and like 7hp
Festive fog and lightning flourish mvp
floral nacelle
do you have athena?
Maybe she can replenish a DD
or hope for a kiss of styx from well
random relic
I got a kiss of styx from the well but i'd need to sell my drunken strike for it
I'm like
half athena half dionysus
Thoughts on if that'd be a fine trade?
I'm just curious on what you'd think
probably gonna die either way lmao
heady comet
what weapon?
heady comet
which aspect?
heady comet
you'll prolly die before reaching the final boss
random relic
Yeah
I know
Just trying to figure out if I wanna make sure of it
or give it a chance
heady comet
i wouldn't sell if ur mainly using attack
heady comet
gl
random relic
🤞
heady comet
making it past the first chamber
leaden whale
Also, I hope you enjoy the game!
Oh I’m obsessed. Literally one of “those” games you come across in life 🙂
random relic
This game is great
slow moat
Facts
random relic
I just wish I could forget what I know of the story
umbral oak
best npcs to give nectar to?
trim thicket
give everyone one nectar once to get their keepsake
youll get enough nectar thruout multiple runs to max so just focus on giving one to all
heady comet
after giving one to all, max meg out
random relic
I find this incredibly funny
I get to Styx before the big reveal of Zag's mom
||but he still says Persephone||
fluid stirrup
You should spoiler that
random relic
Yeah right I'm a dummmy
fluid stirrup
Nah, it happens lol
random relic
I'm too fast for the natural story progression
I got to the final boss on like run 6
errant pebble
Not sure if spoiler: ||How do I give Nectar to Than? I've met him a few times and even gotten more kills than him once. Also, where can I find the Court Musician's muse?||
heady comet
- u give nectar to than back in the house i think after u meet him in a run
errant pebble
the contest?
heady comet
hm both maybe cuz i recall giving it to him in the house as well
errant pebble
oh right
heady comet
u gotta max out both their relationships
random relic
it takes a while
obsidian torrent
Guys is there any tips to farm Titan Blood/Diamonds or Ambrosia?
I finished the game with all the guns and now i can’t find more ;-;
Weapons*
digital grove
Besides bounties you can save money for Styx
digital grove
Or that too, I’ve never seen that deal tho in 100+ hours
But i haven’t checked broker sometimes but usually do
But for farming runs run golden touch and maybe start with coin purse
The meta currency costs 1200, it’s either blood or diamond from what I found
I feel like that’s unaffected by convenience fee from what I have seen but not sure if I remember wrong
Since it seems to cost 1200 no matter if I have convenience fee or not
heady comet
turn up the heat
it'll reset rewards that can be earned for each individual weapon
start with tight deadline as ur first ig that one doesnt affect gameplay at all
floral nacelle
yeah, convenience fee doesn't affect it
digital grove
It depends on your average clear time although I got my time record when I got my first forced overtime clear
I did start running it once I realised I cleared 25 to 30 mins
Without thinking about time when playing
heady comet
as long as ur total clear time is under 36 minutes ur fine
digital grove
If you are close-ish to 36 mins without pausing and stuff then you’re fine
Since pausing shaves off ingame timer
Just don’t play so fast you die
I think damage shields are good for fists
Convenience fee doesn’t feel that bad to me but idk
Sometimes I run into trouble but it’s one of the gentler factors I feel
But if you clear under 36 reasonably consistently tight deadline 1 isn’t bad at all
Since apart from pausing in shops and when selecting rooms your playstyle won’t be affected
Especially if that’s your only heat factor although I had others on that time
rain garnet
New here and to the game; Is this a safe space for asking game questions?
orchid root
||Ok, so i made it through the styx, and now i'm about to fight Hades?!||
random relic
||Yes, is dad||
orchid root
||Good thing i have two death defiers. ok dad, square the frick up||
random relic
||Hah, hah||
orchid root
||OK I THINK I DEFEATED HIM. FIRST TRY AND ALL, HE'S AT LIKE 1% HP AND TALKING TO ME, UNLESS THIS IS A TRAP||
||It was a trap 
||
balmy rose
F
random relic
||Big trap||
random relic
||yeah he do that||
heady comet
F
slow moat
||I died, damn||
Unfortunate
orchid root
||I'll get him eventually, no problem||
random relic
||Same||
strange tendon
If i quit in chamber , will i be back in chamber or in skelly room?
upbeat mason
pause the game, if you have the option to quit then you can quit safely
if there’s only give up then you’ll get kicked back to skelly
mint dock
guys what can i use ambriosa for
random relic
it's used for later on in giving to characters
upbeat mason
you need to give them a lot of nectars first
upbeat mason
most of them has a sidequest you need to do first
mint dock
oh i didnt know that
in reddit they say i can give ambriosa to just ||Skelly, Megaera, Thanatos and Sisyphus|| is this true?
slender kraken
you can give ambrosia to everyone
but you gotta get rid of the lock they have in the codex first
which always requires some sidequest
mint dock
okay then thank you
slender kraken
some can happen quickly, others might take until long after you beat the game a few times
mint dock
I never beated the game oh there is a long way down there
mint dock
how can i learn hermes sidequest guys?
there is lock on his heartss but i cant do anything bout it
sly vigil
in reddit they say i can give ambriosa to just ||Skelly, Megaera, Thanatos and S...
this is particularly true because they are the few people who actually give you something back. that's likely why reddit singled those people out.
alpine ridge
how can i learn hermes sidequest guys?
you won't find any in game info about it, you could check the wiki but you'll just eventually complete any sidequest just playing the game and talking to the people during your runs
random gazelle
when I reached the ||epilogue|| can I still do my runs after that?
modern pike
When do you reach ||the epilogue||?
sullen lava
So, Hermes doesn't seem to count like a regular god?
I don't know why, but it doesn't seem like the keepsakes that affect gods affect him? Is there a reason for that? He seems less implemented than the others. Was he added later on or something?
wanton tree
what are aspects and how do I unlock them?