this is soo sad
#h1-for-new-players
edgy halo
shadow shale
it will be useful once you get back to them
quick question: does the hydra have a nickname already in your game?
edgy halo
i heard it gets a nickname but i dont have it yet
shadow shale
zag gives it a nickname once you fight it enough times. I had to pause the game cos i was laughing so hard.
edgy halo
learnie right
shadow shale
yeah
shadow shale
it's actualy written above the hydra's hp bar
for the rest of the game
untill the end of times
edgy halo
the sheer amount of easter eggs in hades
holy
referances and easter eggs in every corner
shadow shale
like?
edgy halo
like learnie is 1 charon 'borrowing' is 1
shadow shale
XDD
edgy halo
love how he destroyed me
absolutely oblitirated me
and from that day on i swore to not anger my man again
leaden whale
he can be tough if you only have one dash, but you'll learn his pattern past
edgy halo
and hes the first character i maxed nectar on too
leaden whale
fast*
edgy halo
charon easly best waifu ngl
leaden whale
lol, me, too, charon and chaos were my favs
edgy halo
bruh charon first then sisyphus
leaden whale
sisyphus would've been better, amazing benefits for doing so
but me, chaos, and charon are chums
edgy halo
knowing sisyphus background changes a lot of perspectives
leaden whale
and realizing how similar he is to zagreus 😂
edgy halo
he tricked like 3 gods came back from the depths of hell
and tricked 2 more gods
what a legend
leaden whale
he's like the moxie version of odysseus
analog radish
guys is the zuse aspect for the shild good
spiral cairn
||OMG I finally did it!!! It was painful but I got very lucky||
Looking forward to seeing what's next to come haha
supple linden
what comes next is 52 hours of doing it again until you eventually die. as the cycle demands
patent horizon
Hello everyone. I can't give nectar to achilles anymore (||the next heart has a lock||) but i still don't have a ||companion||) I have plenty of ||nectar++, dunno how it's called||but can't give it to anyone. How do i do to unlock a ||companion||?
uncut parrot
@patent horizon only some characters can give one, but you have to complete their 'favor' first (the locked heart)
this favor varies according to the character
vapid forum
||unlocking the hearts takes either talking to them alot or doing a task thats sorta unknown||
spiral cairn
Which characters give one?
uncut parrot
for achilles, you need ||to improve your relationship with patroclus in elysium, and talk a lot with the both of them)||
leaden whale
usually when you're stuck on a character improve the relationships with other characters that relate to them in some way
vapid forum
||also its called ambrosia||
supple linden
||Meg, Dusa, Skelly|| are easier to unlock their favor and ||companion|| as they do not rely on other characters
uncut parrot
also, the characters giving one are ||dusa, meg, sisyphus, thanatos, achilles, skelly||
vapid forum
||Meg, Dusa, Skelly|| are easier to unlock their favor and ||companion|| as they do not rely on other characters
@supple linden ||meg's is fun||
spiral cairn
I haven't given any nectar to Dusa yet, I was planning to right now, but i forgot she would just vanish after talking to her
@uncut parrot Good to know, thanks!
vapid forum
Being friends with Dusa and living a life free of sin
@supple linden yup
uncut parrot
you're welcome
spiral cairn
Any idea on how I could access this room as well as Hades's room? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538800946608603169/778343527318552576/unknown.png
leaden whale
keep playing the game
eventually you'll have the option to open it from the house contractor
spiral cairn
Oh alright, thanks
supple linden
For Hades room you have to ||beat the game 8 times||
spiral cairn
Noted!
supple linden
||may be 7||
leaden whale
I think that's the administrative room though
gusty atlas
They asked about both
leaden whale
which I think you have to buy access to with diamonds from the house contractor
true that
hot yoke
But you unlock the access with work order progress
rose crypt
Yeah and for the administrative room it cost 3 diamonds. Keep doing runs and use different weapons to get more diamonds.
paper fern
how does distant memory interact with stuff like doom and hangover? basically does it add extra damage on status effect damage
leaden whale
Do i get anything if i keep giving nectar to dusa?
floral nacelle
Yes, eventually
supple linden
I think distant memory only impacts damage you are directly responsible for.
boon damage is usually pretty independent
regal scaffold
howdy
picked up the game today
beat meg on the second run, which i'm proud of, then the bone hydra on the sixth
bow's best weapon t b h
hot yoke
All weapons are good
hot yoke
Prepare for the rail
regal scaffold
the what now
supple linden
the rail
hot yoke
Shooty mc bang bang
supple linden
the rail has the power to uninstall the game for you or shoot bullets
i forget which one it is
hot yoke
I think that's the special
regal scaffold
hades voice: who gave the boy a gun
dense laurel
rail codex entry basically: "this machine is dangerous and deadly, glad that mortals dont have this type of thing"
supple linden
to be fiar
hot yoke
gasp
supple linden
there isn't a mortar shooting rail gun yet
hot yoke
It's almost like they knew
supple linden
yet
regal scaffold
hades looks at a report from ares in a couple thousand years from then
squints
and then just yells "BOY GET IN HERE WHAT DID YOU DO"
supple linden
we dont even know when the game takes place
well actually
eeh we kinda have a rough estimate
supple linden
||if the Homer bust theory is true. we know that Homer is still alive. but no one really knows exactly when the dude was born||
hot yoke
May 12th 1956
lament patrol
how do u get into hades' bedroom
hot yoke
Progress the story
dense laurel
woah woah there, i know u horny on him but come on
lament patrol
nah just wanna see how messy he is
regal scaffold
Idk he’s kind of a control freak
It might be tidy but just really dusty
hot yoke
You'll get to know him enough down the line
wooden dagger
At what point am I not a “new player”?
hot yoke
Who cares lol
It's more a out topic specific questions and if you want to be spoiled or not
But time wise I'd say after a couple clears
wooden dagger
Oh darn, still a new boy then
hot yoke
I'm still lurking to be obnoxious and answer questions xD
static anvil
I'm here cuz I'm too new for spoilers but not new enough to say stuff in here 
static anvil
Am uncooked 
hot yoke
Scrambled
static anvil
The amount of stuff I got spoiled on makes me wish I could play it again remembering nothing
hot yoke
What you lack in game knowledge you make up in artistry
static anvil
You make me cri each taim
hot yoke
Am sunny side up
That sounds dope
dense laurel
try to artist this spear, bit-
static anvil
Am getting better too :> I actually liked a face I made today :>
hot yoke
try to artist this spear, bit-
Ah yes
The edgy equilibrium
static anvil
Balanced
hot yoke
Am getting better too :> I actually liked a face I made today :>
Expected nothing else
@ me if you ever share some of your art :D
static anvil
Believe me you'll be the first to know and I guarantee you it'll be Hypnos
dense laurel
ill be expecting hypnos with a hip nose
static anvil
Yith, his nose shall be muy hip
Now back to seeing if I'll reach the ||epilogue|| before I get to unlock his favour
static anvil
I gotchu dw
dense laurel
yes, a crushed rock
static anvil
5 years from now 💀 Sisyphys with a bby bouldy on his head :>
dense laurel
with that logic, zag have been conducting bouldy genocide all along
dense laurel
every time u use ||sisyphus keepsake|| a bouldy is sacrificed
hot yoke
Nah
Zags power summons them then ports them back
leaden whale
after giving nectar to dusa there is now a ||lock|| what do i do now?
supple linden
the locks are a "you have to talk to continue" mechanic
supple linden
Depending on the character it might unlock by just talking, or it requires you to complete a task on the fated list
supple linden
For Dusa's favor you need to complete "A place of revelry" which requires you to repair the damages in the lounge and to buy a few pieces of furniture
candid slate
is dash-strike affected by attack%
ripe olive
Yeah, attack counts towards your dash strike
candid slate
thank you 🙂
supple linden
it's like the square and rectangle thing
all dash-attacks are attacks, but attacks are not dash-attacks.
muted latch
^
if something says it enhances your attacks, it applies to dash attacks
but if something says it specifically enhances dash attacks, it only applies to dash attacks
tame flame
That's good to know
I thought they were separate so that might change my approach to runs
pure fern
Yeah I thought they were separate too, that's good to know
spiral cairn
How come I once got a nectar from a trove trial?
hot yoke
if something says it enhances your attacks, it applies to dash attacks
Not in every case
Shadow slash hammer for sword doesn't apply to dash attack f.e.
hot yoke
How come I once got a nectar from a trove trial?
Random 5% chance
hot yoke
Same
Took me long enough to find out
Actually on sword only three hammers interact with dash attack double edge, piercing wave, and breaching
spiral cairn
Took me long enough to find out
Is it enabled on only a few servers? It doesn't seem working everywhere 🤔
thorny bobcat
technically those are replies and
these are quotes 😝
hot yoke
Frick you
thorny bobcat
they're slowly rolling it out
spiral cairn
Okay :)
regal scaffold
I need more booze to give to people
regal scaffold
Zagreus, clutching a six-pack of nectar as he sinks into the Styx
muted latch
oh the new quote on Discord is def an improvement lmao
I wish they take clues from Slack for their thread feature
odd monolith
If I'll disable god mode will it revert to its base percentage?
I have god mode enabled and can't still beat the dad
sour kite
If I'll disable god mode will it revert to its base percentage?
yes, when you reenable it
game isn't easy, no shame there
odd monolith
I'll be on my 14th run and I still cant beat him
sour kite
14?
That's nothing
I'm imagining the population average first clear as above 25
then again I've only been basing it off people coming in and chatting sooooo
left tundra
Hey, so I gave ambrosia to charon but did not receive the legendary artifact. Should I level up his keepsake to lvl 3 to obtain the artifact?
sour kite
He doesn't give a legendary artifact
left tundra
I have charons face/ sticker on the bone hourglass
sour kite
Only some characters do that
left tundra
Oh.. ok
sour kite
||Meg, Skelly, Thanatos, Dusa, Sisyphus, Achilles||
left tundra
Ah I just wasted a ambrosia
left tundra
Lul.. yea . I've just completed 10 run clear.. when did you first unlock them?
Legendary keepsakes
dense laurel
yes, when you reenable it
no, it stays
tame flame
How far in do you usually have to go before hitting the Epilogue?
I'm about 45 hours deep with around 20-25 clears.
zinc dagger
||You have to max out a bunch of gods||
hot yoke
Depends on the people
hot yoke
||You have to max out a bunch of gods||
Took me a long time cause I didn't do that
tame flame
Okay I'm on my way to doing that 😊
zinc dagger
It took me a long time because I gave them one nectar to get their keepsakes and that’s it
stuck furnace
yes, when you reenable it
According to a Polygon article, God Mode damage res does not reset if toggled off and back on
I haven't tested it myself, though
vapid forum
I turned god mode on then off and there was a difference
stuck furnace
Hmm
stuck furnace
I'll test it myself soon, I suppose
vapid forum
There was a popup that said I has 20+ DMG resistance then I turned it off and it said 20- dmg resistance
limpid linden
Epilogue?
fiery monolith
analog radish
There was a popup that said I has 20+ DMG resistance then I turned it off and it...
u had god mode on
vapid forum
It was a test
analog radish
im confusion but ok
vapid forum
It wasnt a real run anyway after ward I just killed myself on some spike traps lol
analog radish
r u gonna say like i was tasting if u use god mode
i thought god mode would be invinsible
and like +infinet damage
but not
vapid forum
God mode is litteraly just +20% dmg resits
analog radish
yes
i know
so its desapointing
imean if it was like invincible no one would use it anyway
but still
formal rover
the DR increases by +2% every time you die with god mode on
to a max of 80% i believe
formal rover
on god mode, kinda
gusty atlas
ehh "makes you win" is a bit of a reach
trust me, you can be bad enougdh that it doesn't help
analog radish
ru kidding
formal rover
ye i don’t use god mode but i’m sure i could die with 80% dr tbh
gusty atlas
never underestimate how much ppl suck
analog radish
i mean who am i to say i havent beaten game yet
gusty atlas
mine's not at 80, admittedly, but there are runs I'm failing where it wouldn't make a difference.
100%
analog radish
if u have boons and other sruf that give u 20% or above resistance r u invincible then
gusty atlas
no idea
formal rover
lol
analog radish
aperently this game has gifs
gusty atlas
the games not good at letting you not die
formal rover
normally i’d say there’s no way it’d be possible to reach 100% dr, but it was proven recently that you can reach 100% dodge chance so nothing is certain anymore
analog radish
it take like 2 minuts
analog radish
normally i’d say there’s no way it’d be possible to reach 100% dr, but it was pr...
is it with like the hermys keepsake
formal rover
hermes keepsake, couple of hermes boons and zag fists
formal rover
check this out: https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy
analog radish
wat
analog radish
thats sick
gusty atlas
at some point, I need to decide where to ||spend my blood....||
formal rover
you gotta get specific high rarity hermes boons tho; it’s super rare for sure
formal rover
lol i actually have no idea
analog radish
ok bye now
spiral cairn
I don't think you can
leaden whale
Maybe if you run like those water walking lizards, yes
shell pulsar
I got a good run going finally might be able to win here 3 DD with decent dps.
supple linden
what run are you on
gusty atlas
good luck
steady axle
||i beated the game 10 times and got the credits ending but... i still can't give hades nectar. what am i doing wrong?||
sly vigil
If this is immediately after the 10th run, you might need to do a couple more? Sometimes dialogue options can be rough.
sly vigil
Not a bad idea
uncut parrot
@steady axle iirc, you ||also need to progress with persephone, not just hades||
shell pulsar
Lets go I beat it.
gusty atlas
@odd monolith boss name is spoiler, change your verb or spoiler his name 🙂
grats tho
odd monolith
Oof sry bout that
Though I felt that won't be my official clear bc I have God Mode on
sly vigil
Nice! You might notice something on the foor also.
God Mode or not, who cares. Not like you are submitting runs to a leaderboard somewhere.
Congrats!
gusty atlas
unless you are
I mean, you have to have it off for speedrun.com iirc.
but
owise be proud, and keep going
I've only gotten 2 clears w/o it
odd monolith
Nice! You might notice something on the foor also.
@sly vigil I didn't notice a thing on the floor
gusty atlas
can you even leave the room w/o picking it up?
hot yoke
Nope
odd monolith
Wha-
sly vigil
You don't have to pick up gems from bossfights
sly vigil
But the main reward you have to take
gusty atlas
@hot yoke got a bow clear. Should not have worked, but somehow did.
odd monolith
Ah the TB, I thought something like the narrator's narrative like that one pulsing white dot
gusty atlas
I was very convinced in elesyum I was gonna fail
hot yoke
I'm happy for you
gusty atlas
srsly
hot yoke
Well I'm doing zag bow now for the first time since like 150 hrs lol
odd monolith
But the main reward you have to take
@sly vigil I swear I didn't saw a thing on the door or maybe I'll get that on my next clears
gusty atlas
I had lost all my DD's by the time I cleared learnie, but saw pat and somehow squeaked by w/ some lucky styx boons that upped my dmg enough to clear.
was a roller coaster.
sly vigil
Interesting. It's called ||Pact of Punishment|| which should be available after your first run.
gusty atlas
oh, I think that sachi thought you were talking about the door out of the boss room. Cuz I did.
hot yoke
Must've felt awesome finally getting that prophecy though
gusty atlas
yep. Still have a ton to get better at
and probably should start picking aspects to focus my blood on
hot yoke
That's also what I had to learn
Rather max than just unlock
Not for all
But for the majority
hot yoke
Time to get at it ^^
gusty atlas
I've three non-hidden aspects that are still locked, but I figure unless they're the ones I'm gonna level, they can stay that way for now 😛
hot yoke
Yup and if you get far enough you'll get em eventually
I'm only 3/4 through with bounties but only need to max 4 zag aspects now
Which I technically could by trading diamonds
But unfortunately you can't trade backwards
hot yoke
So the titan blood would be useless
gusty atlas
I've seen it rarely on the special deal
hot yoke
I wish I could turn diamonds into nectar at the same
Maybe even a lower conversion rate
I want that dang ||theme||
gusty atlas
you could turn gems, unless you're also low on those
gusty atlas
it's a lot tho
hot yoke
Lost so much progress lol
gusty atlas
any suggestions on where I should focus my first aspects? I have some initial thoughts, but I'm not convinced I have it night
*right
gusty atlas
I'm not yet sold on Chiron, Hera was my clear. That'll require some practice/thinking.
gusty atlas
slowly
analog radish
im dumb
hot yoke
Win runs
slow dawn
I first tried ||16 heat|| with ||Charon Bow Lv. 4||
hot yoke
Fulfill prophecies
gusty atlas
as you beat the game, you'll find the paths to more blood.
hot yoke
Those are the ways
gusty atlas
You can also trade w the broker and do prophecies, and a couple other low frequency ways.
hot yoke
I mean if you beat the game you don't really beat the game
analog radish
ok
gusty atlas
@hot yoke I was debating between nemesis and posiden for sword, leaning nemesis, and wasn't sure which way to go for spear... I think I've used achilles both times but I've also had it cause trouble so it's a bit of a gamble. My fist win was w/ talos hunting blades, but I know a lot of ppl like demiter attack builds, so that one was also a bit up in the air.
or I could just go all in on the 3 you listed and not spread it out across the 6 weapons I guess
gusty atlas
hmm will have to think through that then.
I usually rotate wherever the darkness bonus is
hard lichen
https://i.imgur.com/yRv5SY1.png i was debating on either concentrated or long knuckle -- i got explosive upper for my other hammer
hot yoke
Demeter Apect?
hard lichen
mhmm
hot yoke
Fun fact: dem charge gets used on your dash upper but doesn't trigger special
So you don't wanna dash upper
Concentrated knuckle is an excellent choice
gusty atlas
such a weird fun fact
(I knew this, and dhaven't used dash-upper w/ demiter, buti t's weird all the same)
hot yoke
Also breaching cross is insane since it's 900% damage against armor
Yeah idk why it is like that
gusty atlas
I could wildly speculate, but I will not
hot yoke
Like dash upper uses ur charge
But you won't even get multiple hits
hard lichen
yeah, i definitely noticed that
gusty atlas
haha, it was listed as 1 in the screen
so I assumed it was just 1. I guess it could mean 1 bonus
hot yoke
@hard lichen but yeah I'd recommend breaching cross and concentrated knuckle
gusty atlas
I accept your checkmate
sly vigil
does breaching cross affect dash upper?
hot yoke
If you're going for curses or a flourish that wants to be stacked I personally also like rush kick
Dash strike boons should apply to dash upper
But in case of demeter it doesn't matter xD
Different story for secret fists obvs
gusty atlas
no
you were properly vague
just saying, it's not obvious since not everyone knows what it is
hot yoke
gusty atlas
I don't have it, so I wouldn't know that it was a different case
so not sure you can say obvs
just silly pedanticness, ignore me
hearty ore
||Aspects|| are maybe spoiler but ||secret aspects|| are definitely spoiler
hot yoke
Thanks for that input everybody in this conversation already knew
harsh leaf
Well, they're not really secret since once you unlock aspects you can clearly see that one of each is missing
sly vigil
Not a secret that they exist. It's a secret of what they are.
random gazelle
how many does it take to fully ||maximize a weapon aspect?||
how many do I have ||upgrade||
hot yoke
Depends on the aspect
ripe olive
@hot yoke
Can you elaborate on "Fun fact: dem charge gets used on your dash upper but doesn't trigger special"?
Because Demeter charge definitely does work with dash upper
sly vigil
5 level of weapons upgrades. But the cost differs for each level and aspects.
random gazelle
so each of them have different maximum points huh 🗿
hot yoke
Maybe you've drunken too much nectar
If you have full charge your standing special will trigger multiple hits
If you dash upper it won't but will use the charge
sly vigil
In general, the total costs: ||5 for Zag aspects, around 15 for non Zag aspecsts||
hot yoke
You may be confusing it with pressing special twice during dash upper which gives you a special right after a dash upper
ripe olive
It 100% will, there's just no way. Because if it didn't there's no way my dash special wouldn't be hitting up to 3k
Unless I'm missing on something very obvious here
hot yoke
You are
ripe olive
actually, one sec let me boot the game
hot yoke
Dash upper means pressing special during dash
Not after
Just tested it out myself
Seems to work now in courtyard at least
Didn't work before from my experience
ripe olive
I've testing it now as well and it's working as it's supposed to
ripe olive
(plus I havent encountered any issues with it)
Did you maybe
Forget about backstab damage?
The mirror passive
ripe olive
I see
Maybe it was a switch specific issue that got fixed
Has been working fine on PC at least
hot yoke
Huh idk lol
At least in my past runs it hasn't worked out
Now I can confidently take explosive upper
Test it in field as soon as darker thirst falls on it
@ripe olive well thanks for making me discover stuff anew even after over 150hrs
patent horizon
Hi everyone. After 50 hours and multiple success (||i have seen the end credits||) i still have only two ||hidden aspects||is that normal ?
random gazelle
why do I have 16.5 on my ||pierced butterfly||? whats the rate it increasing per chamber?
ripe olive
Aye, np
warm comet
Could I have some advice on turning the shield into a ranged weapon? The game encourages swapping weapons via the darkness boost and ||the pact of punishment||, but the only weapons I've enjoyed so far have been the bow and gun.
random gazelle
I thought its only 1 per chamber
ripe olive
You can also chain dash-dash attack-dash special in single dash(though you probably knew already)
hot yoke
Could I have some advice on turning the shield into a ranged weapon? The game en...
You can use charged shot
But that's better on secret shield
With chaos you play really up close
floral nacelle
Spam the shield special
hot yoke
Zeus you can technically kite behind you but it's harder to play
floral nacelle
I like putting doom on the special
sly vigil
@random gazelle The keepsake levels up as you go.
warm comet
Yeah, charged shot is definitely my favorite shield hammer upgrade, but rng isn't on my side very frequently.
random gazelle
ik that, but I thought it increases by 1 per chamber
sly vigil
I think you will eventually get 2% per chamber? Someone corrects me.
hot yoke
Weapons have different playstyles
Can't play every weapon as a ranged weapon
But you can play every weapon as a melee weapon
ripe olive
Hmm
hot yoke
warm comet
Well, I was hoping for 3 options rather than 2.
Maybe I'd have better luck using the spear as a ranged weapon lol
hot yoke
Get used to playing the weapon right instead of trying to bend it into something it's not made out to be
ripe olive
If you wanted to play shield exclusively as ranged weapon you would probably want the hidden aspect ||Aspect of Beowulf|| and get the Charged Flight hammer
warm comet
And if it's... not fun?
warm comet
Melee weapons in this game are ass, I hate being in enemy's faces.
sly vigil
ik that, but I thought it increases by 1 per chamber
No, that's what I meant by the keepsake leveling up. Initially you get 1% per chamber. But as you equip it more, you get 1.5% per chamber and eventually 2% per chamber.
hot yoke
Only your aren't good with the weapon
warm comet
Ass as in trying to have fun with it is a total waste of time. I wouldn't be asking for this sort of advice if I had fun playing in melee mate.
random gazelle
right, thanks for clarifying
hot yoke
Ass as in trying to have fun with it is a total waste of time. I wouldn't be ask...
For you
hot yoke
It's all about getting to know the game
ripe olive
I started with ranged weapons as well but ended up with Fists being my favorite.
It's just uh
Try to lvl up different aspects and see if any of them work for you
hot yoke
melee weapons in this game are ass
Is a pseudo factual statement
ripe olive
If you still don't enjoy melee, well that's that.
Fortunately there's a lot of ranged weapons in the game as well
warm comet
How do you know for absolute 100% certainty that I'll adore melee once I'm super good at this game?
sly vigil
You can play shield as ranged weapon by unlocking secret aspect ||Beowulf|| + Charge Flight + Deadly Strike/Heartbreak Strike
ripe olive
Melee definitely has a bit different and arguably more risky playstyle than ranged which might not be for everyone.
hot yoke
How do you know for absolute 100% certainty that I'll adore melee once I'm super...
You don't need to be super good
Just familiar enough
sly vigil
Otherwise Chaos + some Special boon will do.
dense laurel
no guarantee, but people have their own playstyles
warm comet
You're literally missing the point of every single sentence I've typed so far, stone.
ripe olive
With Chaos Shield you might want to go for any sort of DoT(damage over time) boon on your special. Such as Doom in example.
Because the shield throw damage itself isn't all that overwhelming
hot yoke
Sure man
Don't hear if you don't want to hear
dense laurel
you just dont like melee, doesnt mean its bad
hot yoke
^
warm comet
I never said it's bad.
dense laurel
Ass as in trying to have fun with it is a total waste of time. I wouldn't be ask...
what
warm comet
I never said it's bad. Read the sentence more carefully.
sly vigil
idk what's going on, but i think knorne just meant that he likes ranged more
warm comet
^
dense laurel
yeah, you kinda implied that
ripe olive
Pretty much
warm comet
Did I imply it though?
dense laurel
yeah
warm comet
No.
hot yoke
Got em
dense laurel
no why
sly vigil
just let it go lmao
ripe olive
He just said melee is "ass" for him, not in general.
sly vigil
^
hot yoke
Yeah ik but smashing people for trying to talk to him about it...
ripe olive
But who cares really
warm comet
Finally, people that can read.
ripe olive
If someone doesn't like melee that's that
hot yoke
Us apparently
sly vigil
I already replied with build
ripe olive
No reason to argue over it lmao
sly vigil
why argue semantics smh my head
warm comet
So I asked for advice on how to play more weapons like ranged weapons, because I want to play at range without being restricted to 2 weapons.
dense laurel
you guys talking over nothing
warm comet
It's that simple.
ripe olive
But yeah
floral nacelle
Shield special pretty much is ranged
warm comet
Your response to my question was to stop wanting to play ranged weapons and to learn to appreciate melee.
opal maple
Hi fellow Hades fans! I'm relatively new here, and I have a quick question: Do you have experience with using Aphrodite's Aid on the final boss? Does the Charm effect work on him, and do you consider it a good move to use in that fight?
hot yoke
Told ya bout zeus
hot yoke
Hi fellow Hades fans! I'm relatively new here, and I have a quick question: Do y...
Charm works on bosses
Basically a stun
dense laurel
fists atk good with zeus
shield is mostly speacial based
spear, use hades aspect i guess
hot yoke
So I asked for advice on how to play more weapons like ranged weapons, because I...
Ikik
Would be nice if your were a bit more receptive/friendly about it
Spear you can go for special build
opal maple
Charm works on bosses
Basically a stun
Thanks! Then it sounds like it will be quite useful
dense laurel
special build is only enjoyable for hidden spear imo
hot yoke
Take aphrodite duo
ripe olive
Your options include, but aren't limited to:
-Spear special builds, honorable mention to Achilles spear cast builds
-Shield, Zagreus or Chaos aspect. Slap Zeus/Ares/...maybe Dio on the special
-Hidden shield aspect, Artemis special with Charged Flight hammer
sly vigil
Yeah, it's an interrupt/stun for most bosses
hot yoke
Ez ranged spear
warm comet
I'm just sick of people misunderstanding what I'm saying and then telling me to suck it condescendingly.
sly vigil
Thanks! Then it sounds like it will be quite useful
Bonus point if you bring a fully charged Aprho call to third biome boss fights.
hot yoke
For ranged
dense laurel
Ass as in trying to have fun with it is a total waste of time. I wouldn't be ask...
you strated to be condescending fist actually
warm comet
I wasn't being condescending?
ripe olive
I actually tried a Artemis Zag spear special build yesterday and it ended up being pretty fun and good. And that's saying A LOT since I hate spear with passion
hot yoke
Finally, people that can read.
.
opal maple
Bonus point if you bring a fully charged Aprho call to third biome boss fights.
Ooh, I hope I get the chance to try that out sometime; this time I had another boon combination that was really working out for me, one of them went down more quickly than ever before
warm comet
I wasn't being condesending?
hot yoke
How is that not condescending? Or at least insulting?
But moving on
Fists you can play somewhat ranged
If you take kinetic launcher
It's pretty nice on demeter aspect
But you still have to move in close to charge it
warm comet
I'm keeping in mind all the advice you're giving me though, I appreciate it.
hot yoke
Sword you can technically play poseidon aspect with cast builds
dense laurel
i dont think this guy knows what condescending means
hot yoke
There you will only have to go in to unstuck your casts
Lay it down man
It's p meaningless now
Exit wounds from artemis greatly help
sly vigil
|| spoiler ||
dense laurel
||like this||
hot yoke
Also you can dash right after you pressed special to cancel the animation and be at the enemy faster
ripe olive
Or you can just highlight your message and option to spoiler tag it will appear
dense laurel
too much work
hot yoke
@warm comet so in summary: -cast builds poseidon aspect on sword
-special build with explosive launcher on spear
-Zeus kiting or charged flight spamming
-Kinetic launcher on demeter aspect although you need to get in close
tame flame
Question about accessing the Epilogue: || I've maxed out all of the Olympian's as far as I can by giving them nectar but now all of their names have padlocks on them. What am I missing?||
hot yoke
Problem is ofc you limit yourself to specific hammers in most cases
hot yoke
Question about accessing the Epilogue: || I've maxed out all of the Olympian's a...
Gotta fulfill requirements
I can post a guide In here sec
tame flame
@hot yoke You okay to give me a nudge in the right direction without any spoilers?
I tend to stay away from guides if I can so I can still discover things somewhat
ripe olive
Vicious Skewer, Exploding Launcher, Charged Skewer and Chain Skewer are your go to hammers if you wish to go for more ranged oriented spear special builds.
hot yoke
The reqs for every god are specific
hot yoke
Vicious Skewer, Exploding Launcher, Charged Skewer and Chain Skewer are your go ...
Vicious skewer is p bad tho
dense laurel
i personally despised spear the most, compared to other melees
tame flame
@hot yoke || For requirements, are we talking about like when Poseidon wants you to kill Theseus on Extreme Measures?||
hot yoke
F.e.
Or for aphrodite you need to ||complete all romances||
Btw getting ||demeter|| up to her locked heart counts towards the ||epilogue||
Since you can only unlock hers after that
tame flame
Damn so I've got quite a bit to go
warm comet
Thank you all for the help, I really do appreciate it. And sorry for getting aggressive back there. You were dodging my question pretty insistently for a while there, but I could've just kept elaborating on what precisely I was asking rather than getting moody.
floral nacelle
||Poseidon just wants you to fish to unlock his heart, Theseus EM has no bearing||
dense laurel
<@!525308941203144724> || For requirements, are we talking about like when Posei...
thats only a prophecy
hot yoke
Thank you all for the help, I really do appreciate it. And sorry for getting agg...
No worries
I'm p stubborn
I was really trying to hammer home that a lot in hades and other roguelites comes down to practice and knowledge and that learned to love melee with time
But that obviously was besides the point
Really appreciate that
warm comet
Yeah lol, I was simultaneously trying to hammer in that the typical "practice" solution wasn't quite what I was asking for, I suppose our hammers must've just clashed.
hot yoke
I tend to cause a lot of "clashing of hammers" tbf
warm comet
speaking of hammers
Which of the builds you mentioned are least hammer rng dependant? I don't necessarily need to use all of the weapons.
hot yoke
To get bounties and prophecies you will eventually have to
But yeah chaos shield is not that hammer dependent
warm comet
Didn't you mention that with chaos shield I need to get in enemy's faces, though? Or am I imagining things?
dense laurel
people already said chaos shield is mostly ranged
hot yoke
But you could also play it on distance although that's arguably less effective imo
But playing it with ares you can technically just spread doom
Use block and dash around far away from enemies
dense laurel
theres no point to hit same traget with doom anyways
hot yoke
Dire misfortune
dense laurel
eh, not worth it
warm comet
The sheer spread of chaos shield does make playing a spacing game a bit difficult, but I'm sure I can make it work. It's probably better for multiple enemies anyways.
hot yoke
Less so on chaos ye
hot yoke
The sheer spread of chaos shield does make playing a spacing game a bit difficul...
Never take dread flight tho
It's hella buggy and you can't use your shield until it returns which takes very long with that hammer
warm comet
I heard dread's pretty bad, but I never really knew why.
hot yoke
As I said
Takes longer to get your shield back
And you can't attack or special while it's gone
warm comet
riiiiiiiight
hot yoke
Dread flight will also make the shield bounce around the room randomly
Which makes it take even unnecessarily longer
warm comet
Wait, it doesn't bounce from enemy to enemy?
hot yoke
And the additional chaos shields don't bounce
It does but dread flight makes the targeting way more buggy
warm comet
huh. I'll be sure to avoid it, then. Thanks for the heads up lol
Could've ruined a run that way.
hot yoke
Dread flight chaos was one of the worst experiences for me in this game
You usually want to throw your empowered shield as often as possible
The bounce doesn't really matter
Btw with zeus shield you can still attack and bull rush even after throw
But that one works way different
warm comet
Also what was that about the 4th aspects of spear and shield being good for ranged combat?
gusty atlas
Dread flight chaos was one of the worst experiences for me in this game
@hot yoke I still feel more awkward w/ chiron bow
warm comet
I'm not aware of how those aspects work.
hot yoke
|| spear special is basically already like explosive launcher, shield has stronger shield throw||
harsh leaf
Sword has a what now
sly vigil
lmao indeed, sword has a what now?
warm comet
New weapon, wield both the sword and shield at once.
pulsar frigate
sword what?
warm comet
Come to think of it, why doesn't zagreus do that?
Do the sword and the shield just not like each other?
daring summit
im pretty sure he holds the sword with 2 hands
hot yoke
Auto correct bois
restive pond
I was also pretty sure the sword was a 2 handed sword
daring summit
^
hot yoke
Just because he holds it with two hands doesn't mean he can't world it with one
leaden whale
prolly stygius would take great offense
warm comet
ooooooooh just got my first ||heroic|| tier boon. Exciting.
stuck furnace
Also what was that about the 4th aspects of spear and shield being good for rang...
Hidden Varatha ||has a stronger Special that doesn't need to be recalled|| and hidden Shield ||has a stronger throw that actually does enough base damage to be good with %damage instead of flat damage.||
heady comet
hidden varatha build around special is kinda broken ngl
except for the low health u have
sly vigil
If you have a chance, try 4th Spear + Charged Skewer + Deadly Flourish
heady comet
the hitbox is kinda broken
like you aim between 2 enemies, hit both, and deal 1k damage to both
u can oneshot anything up to final boss
warm comet
lol relatable
heady comet
cuz u only have 100 health
warm comet
Anyone else here die when the final boss is at like 1 hp? That happened to me once.
stuck furnace
Hidden aspects are spoilers
Yeah happened to me once
Bit frustrating to say the least
gusty atlas
I thought that was gonna happen to me on my last run tbh
I have no idea what killed him
like literally could not say. I was on the other side of the screen, ||dying to a laser||
pulsar thistle
About romance: ||if I max out both the characters that I can romance and go in relationship with one, if I do the same for the other, will there be consequences when I’m confronted by them?|| the game says it’s ok but I don’t want to take any chances
tawny lava
if i remember correctly, it doesnt have consequences
pulsar thistle
Oh awesome! Poly it is then
tawny lava
exactly!
pulsar thistle
Let’s gooo
tawny lava
it takes some time tho, take your time.. 
nova helm
||You can get a threesome with them if you romance both.||
floral nacelle
Greek gods weren’t exactly known for their monogamy
harsh leaf
Nor the ancient greek themselves
sullen river
There is no poggers. Only zaggers
floral nacelle
I like that line Achilles gives ||if you go up to him mentioning your various relationships, he says hades was like the only monogamous god, and zag’s like he doesn’t plan on being like his father||
sullen river
Spoilers mang
upbeat bolt
i have a question about how evergreen acorn works that i cant seem to find anywhere else
i noticed it was working during the miniboss fight with asterius in elysium, and i was wondering if it refreshed during the full boss fight in elysium or if the mini boss fight with asterius counts as depleting the acorn for the floor
or maybe i was just imagining it was working with asterius
pulsar frigate
it doesn’t work with asterius’ single fight
pulsar frigate
imo it should
upbeat bolt
cinder pulsar
Focus on the bull first
heady comet
dashing thru the bull is fastest
recognize when he's about to attack and memorize his simple pattern (attack attack, jump jump jump)
then for theseus wait for him to throw a spear and hide behind a pillar
then you have a good window to attack then
cinder pulsar
You can dodge the spear throws from Theseus pretty easily while working on Asterius; dodging Asterius while going after Theseus is not
Or at the very least, a lot more irrirating
teal pivot
wt do i do when the bull is like charging and hes right next to me
heady comet
dash through a pillar
heady comet
you can dash through a lot of things
teal pivot
alright thanks for the tips
charred galleon
How do I get titan blood?
charred galleon
That's like it, no?
How are people even managing to get every weapon upgraded then?
floral nacelle
Or get lots of obols and hope you can buy a titan blood in the last biome
There’s this thing called heat from the pact of punishment, which modifies the difficulty of your runs, after you beat the final boss once
You can get more titan blood, among other things, for heat levels 0-20 for each weapon
floral nacelle
0, your first run with no heat modifiers
1-20, the amount of heat you have to do for new rewards
If you replay the same heat level as before you’ll just get darkness if you’ve already gotten all the rewards
charred galleon
Wait, so if I killed the first and last boss with 1 heat level, could I be able to receive more titan blood when I make it to 2 heat level?
floral nacelle
Yes
charred galleon
Makes more sense, thank you.
weary cedar
Hi, I'm new to the server and Supergiant Games' works in general, and I was wondering...
Are there actual odds of running into Thanatos? Like x out of y chances? I'm just curious, as I've played abt 20 or so escape attempts (no full victories yet 😩) and haven't ran into him once °0°
floral nacelle
Um, have you made it to the third biome?
I’m pretty sure he can only first show in the third biome
muted latch
^
weary cedar
Yes, ||I've made it to and past the Styx 3 times now||
muted latch
it's just RNG then
sullen river
than
weary cedar
You're gonna get me even more excited and this man has yet to grace me with his presence
sullen river
weary cedar
supple linden
@weary cedar are you on the switch version?
ornate remnant
20 attempts and no Than is somewhat reasonable, from my understanding
midnight hazel
I just got to the end of the main story! I'm not sure if I want to scroll through story and spoilers just yet but [warning, end of the story] || man it's great! love that ending song with orpheus and eurydice omgg i could cry || 
muted latch
I didnt see Than until well after my first clear
some time between first clear and credits
opal maple
I first saw Than on my 29th run, I think, and after that two more times (in a row even)
gusty atlas
can't always manage it
spoilers
pls
srs question to those who keep trying to convinnce me that bow is easier than other weapons. Tartarus minibosses, how? In particular, sneak and doomstone. I always loose 60-80% of my health to them, esp. Chiron. Too slow for sneak, can't clear out mini stones for a safe space to attack from w/ doomstone and get knifed by lasers.
inland kite
Lance. Just lance
upbeat mason
chiron needs blood investment to be good, fully upgraded chiron can just melt doomstone before the ministones becomes a problem
those two happens to be the bow’s worst matchup imo, for sneak you gotta rely on dash attack, and for bloodstone you want to shotgun it with the special
tame flame
Dash strafing and using your special usually works alright against them @gusty atlas
gusty atlas
@upbeat mason see, the problem is I don't wanna waste blood on it unless I can get better at using it.
because where I am in the game, w/ my skill level, it will feel like a waste
upbeat mason
understandable.
low level chiron is worse than zag bow imo
i recommend putting doom on special and artemis/aphro/poseidon on attack, and try to nail down the dash attack powershot timing
gusty atlas
doom on special?
upbeat mason
yes
upbeat mason
zag bow
gusty atlas
no worries
I am highly sus of bow dash attack, esp. power attack timing
I don't like my odds there
upbeat mason
the strongest weapon with minimum investment imo is hera bow with dio cast
try that if you have titan blood lying around
austere ice
I just bought hades like 1 week ago i think
gusty atlas
have it unlocked
that's how I got my single bow clear
though I needed the zeus duo
austere ice
I havent even beaten the final boss yet
gusty atlas
I was hurting bad before that
umbral stratus
Hi I just bought the game, and it says Play Hades Direct X (Default), Vulcan, and 32 Bit
Which should I choose?
gusty atlas
figure out which runs best
Vulcan is new/shiny, Direct X is older/more stable, 32 bit has very little support on modern OS
I'm not 100% suere why it is offered as a choice tbh.
but I am not tech support
gusty atlas
I would try Vulcan first unless you're on proton
weary cedar
@weary cedar are you on the switch version?
@supple linden yes, I am!
random gazelle
how do achieve friends in high places?
random gazelle
yeah
gusty atlas
So, || take an aid boon. Wait in combat until the gage under your health bar is completely filled up, all segments (I think there are 4?) And once it's flashing, hit the button for the call. I usually see a message on screen that says "press RT for greater call" *(I play on controller, so RT is the button bound to call)||
||It's easier during a boss fight, since thoes last longer. Iirc the bar fills up as you do dmg, unless you get specific boons that add other conditions||
random gazelle
right, now I understand that. but I dont understand how I got Bad Call only and not getting Friends in high places at the same time
spark harbor
||oh so a call is charged up during combat, and afterwards the charges go away?||
random gazelle
yeah, it charges up when you deal damage or take damage, if Im not mistaken
spark harbor
gotcha. thanks!. I just got a ||call from Poseidon||, and after using it once, I thought that I had accidentally wasted all of my charges lmao
random gazelle
its alright, just make them count 👍
spark harbor
dies
so in terms of meta ||is it bad to have an up-close-and-personal type of call combined with the bow?||
wait do i move this to #h1-discussion?
hot yoke
@spark harbor Nah it's alright here
It depends more on the power of the call itself and even more so on your build
random gazelle
so in terms of meta ||is it bad to have an up-close-and-personal type of call co...
its not necessarily bad, though if I were u, I'd be dash-attacking all the time if i were to use be fighting in close ranges
spark harbor
aight
orchid abyss
Best way to farm gems and titans blood?
orchid abyss
Appreciate it
uncut parrot
also, the trader once the items are always unlocked in his shop
leaden whale
New guy here, any recommendations on what "not" to do and what is a good thing to focus on as you're starting out? I'm 8 tries in and have gotten to the snake boss.
uncut parrot
starting out? always take the boons/upgrades you have yet to get for your fated lists
it's a good way to try new things and it will get you some rewards
leaden whale
Okay I'll just play. I'm kinda a min/max guy who likes to be a completionist to an extent, so wasn't sure if there was a "best" way to play and progress
hot yoke
There kind of is
But you'll have to get the unlocks n stuff for it
Also it only matters at higher levels
tame flame
@leaden whale Skelly's keepsake is a god send as you're upgrading so I'd recommend grabbing it first
leaden whale
Got it I'll look for that.
hot yoke
<@456226577798135808> Skelly's keepsake is a god send as you're upgrading so I'd...
Nooo
Tooth is awful
Acorn is the way to go
Even collar is way more EHP
tame flame
@hot yoke It helped me out a lot at the beginning before I upgraded everything 🤷♂️ I now don't use it all that much but that extra life is pretty clutch at times
hot yoke
I used it in the beginning too
leaden whale
How would you guys compare this to dead cells? I seem to like the style and gameplay a little better and definitely like the Greek god theme.
hot yoke
But tooth will always only give you 100 max hp which will only apply last
terse tree
wait tooth is really awful?
hot yoke
Max collar gives you +100 right?
terse tree
i like doing tooth when it actually comes to the last boss
leaden whale
Who gives the acorn?
hot yoke
On 3DD's that's basically 4x100 hp
uncut parrot
eurydice
leaden whale
Who is eurydice?
hot yoke
Acorn is way better for last boss
leaden whale
K I'll just work on getting keep sales and leveling up them all, starting with the ones that don't look like they suck.
uncut parrot
npc you can meet in ||2nd area|| spoilered just in case, you're bound to find her at some point
tame flame
@leaden whale Any questions feel free to send me a message
hot yoke
Level up gods keepsakes, purse and acorn
Just ask in here
Since ur recommending tooth idk how much I'd trust it opinion
leaden whale
Asking for a spoiler, do I ever get a "are you winning?" Or "I'm proud of you son!" From father?
tame flame
@hot yoke I'm currently 27 wins out of my first 54 runs so I trust my opinion 😂
Tooth works great for new players. Once you level up a certain amount with Nyx's mirror/weapons it loses its appeal.
hot yoke
Doesn't man you can't be wrong
Collar is better for new players than tooth
Gives you more hp
Tooth is just 100 additional hp
Also if we're measuring by experience I prolly for a bit more under my belt m8
tame flame
@hot yoke In fairness, I haven't levelled up collar yet, so I'll take your word for it. They still can't go all that wrong with tooth... like it will help them moreso than others initially.
hot yoke
Collar will help more
I personally don't like collar but keepsakes like acorn, collard tooth can basically be seen as additional hp
If you equip tooth in styx and have no DD's it'll provide you more
At full DD's collar will do more
leaden whale
What's a DD?
wooden dagger
And in general acorn does more because its only for bosses
Especially the final boss
hot yoke
It's best for final boss
hot yoke
But usually you want keepsakes that build your run in the first three stages
Depends on skills ofc
terse tree
uh
hot yoke
Good one
terse tree
i guess thats not a spoiler because its a rogue-like game...?
hot yoke
He's jking
terse tree
oh
leaden whale
I guess I'll have to find out
hot yoke
Also you're profile status is technically a spoiler @terse tree
leaden whale
I think I read aphrodite is not worth it. Sad that waifu is so useless.
hot yoke
Whoever wrote that is an idiot
wooden dagger
Aphrodite is great
hot yoke
Did u say aphrodite useless?
hot yoke
I think I read aphrodite is not worth it. Sad that waifu is so useless.
Gods can't be viewed isolated
It's always about builds
leaden whale
I heard her boons suck
wooden dagger
Her boons rock my dude
hot yoke
It's aimed at the aphro statement
leaden whale
Weakness is good?
hot yoke
She gives the most raw percentage damage
terse tree
except idk how to life affirmation
wooden dagger
Weakness also has synergies, a lot
leaden whale
I guess some of the gods ranked websites didn't actually ply the game.
wise ivy
aphrodite has highest percent boons, gives an effect for privileged status, and also the stuff everyone else said
hot yoke
I guess some of the gods ranked websites didn't actually ply the game.
Don't trust website rankings
I've read enough bad ones
hot yoke
Gods depend on builds
wise ivy
every god is useful imo
hot yoke
That's it
wise ivy
even dionysus
wooden dagger
People dont seem to get that boons can be of varying worth depending on build
hot yoke
Every god has their use
terse tree
dionysus is cool
leaden whale
Okay, sounds like I need to just get thru the game and know what I'm talking about and then come back to you guys later before you ruin it all for me.
wooden dagger
Dio has a great cast if you know how to use it
leaden whale
I think the blade storm thing is awkward
hot yoke
You need to build around it
leaden whale
I haven't found casts that I like except chain lightning.
hot yoke
Achilles spear, artemis duo