not yet, I did my first run just now
#h1-for-new-players
pulsar frigate
it's basically a free explosive skewer, but the entire range of the throw
uncut parrot
so is the ||heal|| on spin not really interesting on that weapon?
pulsar frigate
oh no, it's great
but trying to build on the spin itself requires quick spin
with something like charged skewer, spin basically becomes a backup
uncut parrot
so more of a tool available unless you get a few specific buffs?
uncut parrot
fair enough, I will keep that in mind
yeah, that much was expected
but I wasn't expecting the recovery amount to be so low unless you somehow get a crowd in range
pulsar frigate
don't forget that you don't need to fully charge the spin either
you can send off small spins to ||heal|| as needed
uncut parrot
I did, but I do need to get better at this first
and well, fast spin would be appreciated
pulsar frigate
yeah, fast spin is very nice with spear4
you need to have good knowledge of enemy patterns and openings
uncut parrot
yeah, I was able to 'feel' that ^^
pulsar frigate
which is why i recommend charged skewer and building entirely on special, because it is a very powerful, extraordinarily safe way to play spear4
uncut parrot
how do you build around the special?
pulsar frigate
artemis or aphrodite would be best, but any +% god can work
uncut parrot
why aphro over artemis?
pulsar frigate
aphro has the highest base special damage and the best scaling when compared to artemis (in a vacuum), plus the weak helps out a lot
uncut parrot
sounds interesting
pulsar frigate
artemis special alone loses out to aphro, but when you get some t2 boons (clean kill, hunter's mark, etc), it wins out in damage then
uncut parrot
I see, so aphro for ease of use and 'weak' tool, artemis for pure damage
pulsar frigate
(but really, with charged skewer alone on spear4, you should be able to get a win with any +% god, that's how good it is)
foggy sparrow
Seeing as I've already wasted 5 blood on Zagreus's aspect on the spear to ||unlock Guan Yu, because you have to do that to gain access to the other secret aspects||, I might actually use the spear. It's one of the three weapons that I've been unable to beat the game with, so far.
I've heard the Zag aspect is a huge waste though. I'd be willing to trade in my Ambrosia for some more blood, what aspect should I go for?
I'm not playing ||guan yu||, the downsides are too big for me
uncut parrot
you didn't have to do that
pulsar frigate
quick spin, spear4 exclusive, or breaching skewer are all fine options
pulsar frigate
massive spin can also work
the downsides are too big for me
yeah, spear4 isn't for everyone, i can understand
foggy sparrow
Far as i know, and as the guide I followed said, ||it was investing a minimum of 5 blood in the weapon that you want the secret aspect for|| and ||guan yu|| is the prerequisite to get the rest, so I did that with the spear
I heard the Achilles aspect is supposed to be good?
dusty gate
||Achilles|| is the best of the lot imo although I hate the spear generally
uncut parrot
you only need to have ||guan yu|| revealed, not to unlock it, for the other weapons you do need that investment to reveal the hidden aspect
pulsar frigate
i find ||hades aspect|| to be best tbh
uncut parrot
@pulsar frigate it does work better, tho I wasted my dd on first boss (but I blame ||em1 that I'm discovering|| and the weapon's downside for that)
pulsar frigate
nice job
uncut parrot
I need a subjective opinion, which hidden aspect is the most fun between bow and fists?
pulsar frigate
bow
uncut parrot
why do you think bow/fist is your favorite?
@dusty gate I already have all the hidden aspects except those two
craggy gust
Do I need to give the ||stone nectar?||
uncut parrot
@craggy gust it gives a small boost but aside from that it's a meme afaik
craggy gust
Hehe ok ;) thanks
pulsar frigate
what do you mean, like the blood upgrade?
uncut parrot
I mean the raw damage from when it proc
does it depend on your special attack base damages or something
pulsar frigate
no, it doesn't scale off of anything except global bonuses
uncut parrot
got it, thank you
hard pier
Does the “summon” button (default: 1) actually do anything, or is it only ever used to pet the dog?
old skiff
Yes later in the game
candid nimbus
Should be, gotta keep going
old skiff
I won’t spoil what it is but it’s pretty fun so keep playing
hard pier
Huh... I wonder if I missed it
old skiff
No no probably not
candid nimbus
Just gotta keep trying to clear, building bonds, pray to the Fates
hard pier
Ah that makes sense
old skiff
Mmhm you need to be friends with certain characters
foggy sparrow
hard pier
Gotta farm more honey
old skiff
Yes. Fun fact it’s actually alcohol.
foggy sparrow
Nectar, yes
I'd give nectar and Ambrosia a try
Would propably be bad for a mortal, but eh
hard pier
Aren’t nectar and ambrosia like lethal to mortals (they are in the Percy Jackson series)
neon orbit
Mh, nice game 
hard pier
Also they better not do anything to break the head cannon I already have from reading “the song of Achilles”
neon orbit
omg, we need a uwu version of 
old skiff
Yeah need to give a character one ambrosia
foggy sparrow
candid nimbus
old skiff
Oh Ambrosia is the reward from beating the 3rd area btw
foggy sparrow
Early on its not a bad idea to trade Ambrosia for Blood
old skiff
Ehhh true
foggy sparrow
You'll be swimming in the stuff come metalategame
foggy sparrow
I wouldn't know, not even post credits myself
candid nimbus
Yeah, but when you need it you'll need a decent amount
old skiff
Oh I’ve done the whole game and have all the achievements
candid nimbus
Do I spy ||spoiler material?||
foggy sparrow
We're rapid firing the spoilers today, aren't we
hard pier
Oh no is there another meta that I’m going to have to worry about
foggy sparrow
||companions are spoiler material||
candid nimbus
Final boss and onward is spoilers, but also ||what are companions? 
they're spoiler!||
old skiff
But yeah play give people stuff
stuck furnace
They're ||little plush buddies that you can use to summon the person that gave them to you in an Encounter.||
foggy sparrow
||certain characters like Meg for example give you a companion to take on your travels after the first Ambrosia , it's like a summon, or "call", that you can use x number of times during a run||
uncut parrot
did my first run with hidden fists, I may have had a really strong build (I think so) but that thing is a monstrous last boss killer
candid nimbus
A buncha builds can be, hidden fist is interesting
stuck furnace
It's a shame its unique move is kinda mediocre
candid nimbus
It's nice for the damage boost
foggy sparrow
||redacted|| usually gets melted in my experience, once you know his moves and can anticipate him
uncut parrot
pose dash and zeus attack, and for boss I had aphro special and athena call
I used the unique move with athena call + a bunch of other buffing passive
no cons, all pros
plus the monstruous rush damage from attack
foggy sparrow
||hidden aspects, and even the fact that there are hidden ones, is spoiler material||
candid nimbus
That would make aspects in general spoiler material, no?
uncut parrot
I've been told that I can mention 'hidden' as long as I don't reveal the content
candid nimbus
I think once aspects are unlocked the bottom one mentions it'll come up later
uncut parrot
cause you know, the questions mark on the aspect screen are pretty much a giveaway that they exist
foggy sparrow
||Do mind that enemies do more damage while maimed, iirc||
candid nimbus
Supposedly for hidden fist, ||the maim proc is a multiplicative damage boost for us||
uncut parrot
also took aphro for that but in the end I didn't use the special other than for boss
even got zeus boon giving more damage during call
foggy sparrow
I personally prefer Artemis, Demeter or especially Aphrodite call, for their damage and for Demeter especially the enemy slow, but you do you
If you want invincibility, take invincibility xD
uncut parrot
well, it was my first run so I will have to try
but that invincibility means I can enjoy the benefits of hidden fists without having to worry about the con, wich in turns means I hit a lot more
foggy sparrow
May I reccomend you try a Poseidon Sword run focusing and building around Athena and Artemis? You won't regret it
uncut parrot
and since I got the +2 dodge from hermes, I could stack the dash damages
will try at some point ig, I've not been convinced by pose sword so far
though I'd say I'm just bad with it
or unlucky with boons
uncut parrot
I know, but on the runs I tried it I got exit wounds once and it was right before last boss
foggy sparrow
I like taking the Athena cast and the Artemis supportive cast boons, like +2 shots and exit wounds
If you can get a good crit chance going you'll get some great numbers on Athena's cast
uncut parrot
I will try that build next time I do pose sword
foggy sparrow
If you're lucky you'll get some good duos too
uncut parrot
for now I'm doing hidden aspects clears for achievements and prophecies
foggy sparrow
I don't get achievements on switch :(
uncut parrot
not that much of a problem, a lot of achievements are tied to the fates'lists
foggy sparrow
Problem with the hidden ones is that they gobble up blood like it's nothing
uncut parrot
I have them all unlocked except for bow
foggy sparrow
I'd not reccomend doing ||Guan Yu|| when it's not maxxed
harsh leaf
Problem with the hidden ones is that they gobble up blood like it's nothing
@foggy sparrow It costs the same to fully upgrade hidden aspects as the second aspect and one cheaper than third aspects!
uncut parrot
and since I got the reward for elysium and last boss clear this run (first ||1 heat run I clear||) I can pretty much unlock it easily
harsh leaf
I'd not reccomend doing ||Guan Yu|| when it's not maxxed
@foggy sparrow At zero heat? Perfectly possible to take it to the top
foggy sparrow
I haven't actually unlocked any yet because I'm not ready for that blood commitment
uncut parrot
yeah, I reached the last boss with hidden spear at ||1 heat||, I failed mostly because I only had 1 dd left due to elysium boss and due to a misplay on my side
also, didn't find any dd regen in last area shops
foggy sparrow
I'd die right fast with ||- 70% health and recovery||
uncut parrot
special on hidden spear is really strong it feels
especially with hammer upgrade
It was my second run with this spear, and the first I only tried to focus on the spin
wich didn't go well
uncut parrot
I like the special on hidden spear, the rush/take back after throw on other spears didn't suit well with me
still struggling with the spin
but on hidden I'd be fine using it as a a tool I think
foggy sparrow
||redacted|| would curbstomp me hard with that little HP
uncut parrot
when I did my run, it felt like it balanced out with the special raw damages
also I got a few heart along the way to give myself some leeway
had I 2 dd instead of 1 I think I would have beaten him
foggy sparrow
Yeah, 2dd is a good base
Only time I manage to kill him without losing at least one is with Hera bow or Chaos Aegis
uncut parrot
don't really remember, except with fists since I did it just now
lost about 90hp I think?
dusty gate
I can often do his ||first two forms|| without dying if I have acorn
Unless my build ended up really bad and I just don’t have the damage output
Whiffing on merciful end is not fun lol
foggy sparrow
I guess I just spoilered what ||EM4|| does for myself. God's damn it
dusty gate
There’s more to it than that don’t worry
foggy sparrow
I know
It's too hard to not spoil that for oneself. One day I just wanted to look up some aspect guides and in the background gameplay I saw him fighting ||two of the sisters|| and I'm like "whelp, that's ||EM, then||
dusty gate
Yeah
Imo it’s not worth trying to keep that stuff secret for yourself
It’s not like it’s a stunning revelation
fiery monolith
when you get to the point that you're searching things up, you can't really expect to not have at least a couple things spoiled
dusty gate
And it’s better to try to understand the game, and it’s hard to discuss without that kind of stuff mixed in
hot yoke
Eh I can understand people wanting to find that out themselves
dusty gate
Yes yes
Whatever I say you say the opposite
If you want to avoid mechanical spoilers, the only thing to do really is go completely blind
hot yoke
Sure but why do you feel the need to point it out every single time
Chuckle, and move on
@dusty gate .
hot yoke
How does me disagreeing with you do that
Have you maybe thought about the possibility that multiple opinions can coexist?
dusty gate
Yes, but the frequency at which it happens and the often lacking support renders it unlikely
wide shore
how about this discussion is moved to a more private options? and we get back to helping out new players?^^
buoyant thunder
As far as I can tell, the claims rolling stone has made isn't necessarily directly opposing yours, but they are giving alternative possibilities.
I can understand your observation, but I am not so sure it is that cut and dry.
fiery monolith
AAAAAAAanyway, any new players need any helpings?
I just got my second win thanks to you guys
hot yoke
buoyant thunder
Congrats!!
fiery monolith
it was consecutive to my first!
buoyant thunder
That's impressive :D
fiery monolith
uncut parrot
first run with hidden bow, didn't use attack or the special mechanic, jsut spammed special the whole run
was terribly strong
dusty gate
Zeus i assume?
uncut parrot
beat my time record and the boss got slaughtered even faster than with the fists
yup
dusty gate
Yeah it’s really good on that
dusty gate
Imo it is
dusty gate
Idk if there’s a consensus
uncut parrot
it felt pretty much the same with special except you don't have to target first
uncut parrot
feels like I've seen chiron being said as the best bow more than a few times
dusty gate
||chiron|| special does much, much more damage
But the hits are too fast to proc Zeus many times per shot
hot yoke
Yeah but I'd attribute that to most people finding chiron easier to play right
uncut parrot
to me it felt easier to play than chiron
hot yoke
||Rama|| is a one shot monster
dusty gate
So they lend themselves to different builds
uncut parrot
same thing, but you don't have to ping first
hot yoke
They're quite the opposite
fiery monolith
I haven't tried all the ||bow types|| but is ||hera|| not good?
dusty gate
I haven’t tried it much
uncut parrot
have yet to unlock it
hot yoke
It's good
dusty gate
Seems to require a huge blood investment so haven’t gotten around to it
fiery monolith
I have it lvl 1
fiery monolith
but I haven't played with any heat yet
hot yoke
Bloodstone drop time is nice but the main power comes from it's mechanic
dusty gate
I’d want to get that ||cast cooldown|| down before trying it
hot yoke
Normally you kill most enemies with three or more casts loaded
So drop time shouldn't be an issue
fiery monolith
yeah it works well with the dionysis and aphrodite cast boons
dusty gate
I think ||beowulf|| is fantastic tho and they’re very similar
hot yoke
Scintillating feast yk
Similar mechanic but quite different in playstyle
The flares already change a lot obvs
old skiff
There’s a lot of weapons I feel don’t require levelling up
Hera bow is one of the main ones
hot yoke
There's def a number of em
Hera is the strongest example imo
old skiff
I’d say ||Arthur|| is one of those too
hot yoke
Agreed
old skiff
I main ||Arthur|| yet don’t see myself using special too much.
But I just maxed it out today bc why not
uncut parrot
I was buying lounge furniture for ||dusa's favor|| then I went and spent 6 diamonds for it because it was fun
worth it
hot yoke
Cosmetics are everything
uncut parrot
spoken like a true gamer
foggy sparrow
Only if they don't cost real money
sullen river
Only if they don't cost real money
@foggy sparrow i will give SGG my entire bank account
untold fossil
does do casts that inflict up to 50% dmg bonus stack?
queen fiber
is there a reason to give olympians nectar after getting their keepsakes?
dense laurel
u csn bond with them
cinder pulsar
And it's required for 100% completion
harsh leaf
And Thanatos
safe niche
^
gaunt swift
ok
thanks
also for just getting heat
which would u reccomend i do
rn i have them so they get damage control
gaunt swift
when i just get it should i have more then 1 heat?
buoyant thunder
Dangit! I had a really really good run with some of athena's deflect boons and I died at the final boss of Elysium again 😭
Granted, I got a little bit farther through the fight, so there is that.
exotic dagger
@buoyant thunder Keep at it and you'll get through it pretty confidently in no time! I was in your position a few days ago. If I may recommend something is using athena only for the dash and then mixing it up other gods boons (dionysus and ares are personal favorites of mine for ranged weapons mostly, but also can work with others, but this is very personal). The dash will give you a very good defensive weapon to deflect pretty much anything, and then you have other slots to go for maximum damage (and less time spent on each enemy, which also reduces the time they can damage you/you have to avoid things)
buoyant thunder
The dash was great. And since I am messing with the first weapon, the special deflect was insane!
raven pollen
After getting to diamonds and above for the contractor, are gemstones only for cosmetic purchases?
exotic dagger
Oh, if you're going with the sword the special deflect can save you many times haha
buoyant thunder
I also had Daedelus' upgrade that lets my special deal 200% damage without the knock back. It was a crazy run!
gaunt swift
when i get crits and a chaos boon with a hammer upgrade so my special does almost 2k damage
and marks
buoyant thunder
That run sounds a wee bit crazier xp
exotic dagger
There are crazy runs, for sure haha. Craziest I had was leveling up poseidon's call with other boons from him that sinergize with it, and I was invulnerable for like 11 seconds and dealt 1k per hit
exotic dagger
(Another recommendation, poseidon's call is really good for bosses, imo, so snatch it if you can, and use it when it's fully charged. It usually depletes a lot from their hp bar if you use it well)
gaunt swift
anyways ye im using the exegriff or whatever its called
just did almost half the health of the hydra in 1 gernade
exotic dagger
Yeah, that's crazy lol. Far crazier than any run I had haha
gaunt swift
dude
god of the hunts just op
cuzz i think i got the buff
where my gernades do 300% times damage
on top of a chaos boon
which all crits
exotic dagger
Nades were more like full bombs with that lol
gaunt swift
lmao
i think elysuim will still be hard tho
everyone dashing about
unless i get the rapid fire 3 gernades upgrade
then i just win
exotic dagger
If you can get to elysium's boss, you won
gaunt swift
oh 100%
sad tho
got a hammer
and no special upgrade
i do do more damage to sheild wit my attacks tho
which is the biggest hinderance to this build
buoyant thunder
Man, Cursed Slash is incredibly good! Way better than I thought it was gonna be
gaunt swift
omg
dude
im running boiling blood
and havent even been using cast
smh
and i got festive fog so no more worries of dashing
weve officially hit the doing over 2.4k mark
buoyant thunder
Good lord!
gaunt swift
nvm
buoyant thunder
Is Dionysus' aid any good?
gaunt swift
just upgraded crit damage
i personally like dionysus boons yes
i think festive fog
is insanely fun
buoyant thunder
Festive fog is the cast right?
gaunt swift
ye
buoyant thunder
That one is pretty fun indeed
gaunt swift
also gotta luv fountains giving all hp back
ok
im boutta go into Elysium fight
wish me luck
ill tell u how it goes
lament grail
good luck
sweet root
dionysus' aid is in the running for best call in the game
it does a really large amount of damage
the key is to always use the lesser call though
the greater call isn't worth it
buoyant thunder
Welp, time to try and fight Theseus again
sweet root
also never take more than one boon that causes hangover
buoyant thunder
We'll see how long it takes for me to die 😆
sweet root
if you have a different hangover boon you can't really take dionysus' aid
buoyant thunder
I did it!!!
exotic dagger
Congrats!!
buoyant thunder
Thanks! Cursed Slash saved my life way more than once :p
exotic dagger
That's the great thing about boons 😛
exotic dagger
You should see a greenish tone in the sides to middle of the screen
Then run to the ||unpoison|| thingy as fast as you can
buoyant thunder
Ohh, so much like how it goes red when I have low health
exotic dagger
Yup
buoyant thunder
It is interesting how this area doesn't have waves of enemies so far
sweet root
you can cure it by drinking from one of the wells in the room
buoyant thunder
Welp, I see exactly what happens when you get poisoned. Whoops :p
exotic dagger
That's a nasty build, really good. congrats on the w
raven pollen
What are general regarded as the best aspects?
buoyant thunder
I don't know why, but blinding flash just made my weapon very powerful. I was able to get through rooms in the temple extremely easily.
wild cloud
Swag, that depends on what you really like to play around with
I like built-in synergies in my weapons
so stuff like Eris Sword, Chiron Bow, Chaos Shield are really fun to me
candid nimbus
I mean, Eris Rail is dominating speedrunning if that's a metric you like to look at
but comes down to whatever works for your playstyle as Sarijinn said
wild cloud
If you find you like playing around w/ casts, try poseidon sword / hera bow
candid nimbus
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
use this trick if you want to test aspects on a run
without committing
buoyant thunder
Died to the final boss :(
sweet root
what level is your blinding flash at @buoyant thunder ?
candid nimbus
Happens, you'll get 'em next time 👍
buoyant thunder
I think it was just lvl. 1 . I got it at the very end
sweet root
ah
I know that blinding flash was bugged recently and was adding way more damage than it should at higher levels
not sure if that bug is fixed or not, but I thought that it might have been why you were noticing a lot of damage
if its just level 1 though, then its not the case
candid nimbus
Well, code might've goofed and it became multiplicative instead of additive... so even at level 1 that's big
buoyant thunder
Question: what is ambrosia for?
I see I can use it for the broker, but I want to know if there is a different use for it
candid nimbus
Keep a few around, finalizing bonds is important.. and for a specific upgrade
buoyant thunder
Oh, so it'll take a while for it to be useful.
modest plinth
i just leveled shade to 5 - took a lot of nectar but well worth it
buoyant thunder
I got a long while for all the bonds, so I think trading it for a titan's blood is not bad
candid nimbus
Supposedly ||companions|| are spoiler material
modest plinth
opps ambroise
gaunt swift
hey guys
modest plinth
im sorry i didnt know
gaunt swift
how do u do the thing for spoilers
gaunt swift
||how many summons are there or am i stuck wit a limited amount of the total every save file||
buoyant thunder
Pokeuser, if you use \ before a text font, it will not activate the font. ||like this||
sudden depot
youll be getting twice as much titan blood as ambrosia once you can reliably clear through the final boss
candid nimbus
summons as in ||companions?|| if so it depends on the upgrade amount
modest plinth
what do you mean by ||summons||, gods or ||companions||
noel i have some upgraded to 5 uses
candid nimbus
as for God calls it depends on the bar below your hp
gaunt swift
|| wot i just got from megera||
gaunt swift
||im talking about all the diffren companions||
sweet root
you can only use one at a time, but you can unlock them all
gaunt swift
ok
sweet root
you can just count how many slots there are in the keepsake switcher
gaunt swift
wasnt sure if i could only have sum per save file
sweet root
thats how many companions there are
modest plinth
i have to save that this game has become my new addiction. i really hope supergiant does dlc for it - even though i cant see myself getting bored anytime soon
raven pollen
What's the best diamond upgrade to buy after you get access to them?
From the ones that give something extra when you get a key or darkness or gemstones
candid nimbus
Ideally you'd want them all, but vanquisher's keep, darkness + hp are pretty solid
There's also a rod
buoyant thunder
Rod is OP
dusk elk
nectar pom is op
raven pollen
Right, I know I want them all, but I'm trying to decide on the first one
sweet root
i like gems on boss kills the most
raven pollen
I assume they all impact each other?
sweet root
since you're eventually going to have to get a bunch of gems to buy cosmetics
buoyant thunder
I think it's a good idea to just expand the house of hades. Makes coming back a little bit more interesting.
candid nimbus
gems can be traded for things, 15 keys for blood, diamond
sweet root
im at the point in the game where the only two resources that matter are gems and darkness
raven pollen
Greens on boss kills with gemstones, brilliant would then also give me coins?
candid nimbus
Uh I don't think so
candid nimbus
Only encounter rewards if I recall
sweet root
the upgrade is only for rooms with gems on the door
modest plinth
gems also buy ||chambers|| - which eventually start to cost ||diamonds||
sudden depot
i mean longterm it doesnt matter as much but ||if you wanna finish dusa's quest you need quite a few gems||
sweet root
gems good because I like making my house pretty
candid nimbus
but having a stash of gems can get you the special trades too due to trading up
buoyant thunder
Boss kills for the first time you complete it with a weapon gives you gems. So you can only get 6 (apart from trades) before you ||escape for the first time||
buoyant thunder
Ohhhhhh, whoops
sudden depot
only the hydra gives diamonds also
buoyant thunder
Are gemstones the basic currency for curators?
sudden depot
ye
buoyant thunder
That makes more sense :p
raven pollen
The hell are quests?
dusk elk
prophecy
sudden depot
prophecy i mean
raven pollen
Any guides on mirror upgrade selections?
dusk elk
dark foresight
stuck furnace
Haelian has a guide on the mirror I believe
sweet root
for a general mirror I would recommend:
Shadow Presence
Chthonic Vitality
Death Defiance
Greater Reflex
Boiling Blood
Either (Infernal Soul/Stygian Soul)
Deep Pockets
Thick Skin
Either (Privileged Status/Family Favorite)
Dark Foresight
Gods' Legacy
Fated Persuasion
buoyant thunder
I like how The Temple Styx doesn't have enemies summoned from the underworld since the enemies in that area are more alive than not. It's a nice little touch 😁
sweet root
there are reasons to switch some of the talents but the above list is pretty good for most normal players imo
raven pollen
For the hidden aspects, do I need 5 DIFFERENT non zag aspects with blood invested, or just 5 blood total?
candid nimbus
5 different for the initial
indigo shore
||If I haven't escaped with a weapon on any heat and I win a run with 15 heat do I get all the rewards for the previous heats that I missed? Or do I have to do a 1 heat run to get the rewards, then a 2 heat run etc...?||
sweet root
you get the rewards for the lowest level you havent cleared yet
sudden depot
5 blood invested in any non zag aspect
supple linden
there is one exception to this
sudden depot
for that specific weapon
supple linden
||heat 0 and heat 1-21 are tracked separately.||
indigo shore
👍 thank you
candid nimbus
Can ||overheat, start at like 8, clear to get reward for 1, play 8 again, get reward for 2, and so forth|| yeah
raven pollen
I don't understand. I just left Tartarus and swapped from artemis to athena relic, but my first God to encounter is hermes? Did I do something wrong?
supple linden
the keepsakes are kinda weird
stuck furnace
@raven pollen Hermes is kind of separate from the other gods. You'll hear a quip from him about that, probably.
exotic dagger
@raven pollen hermes will sometimes appear and kinda heckle you, but you'll get your god boon at the end, the next appearance is the god you wanted
supple linden
sometimes it won't give you the boon you want right away.
foggy sparrow
Someone explain to me what he means wifh "pb" 
supple linden
personal best
stuck furnace
Personal best
supple linden
alternative. Public Butchery
foggy sparrow
Ah
raven pollen
@exotic dagger I still got hermes boon instead. Is he just like a random replacement?
sweet root
hermes is different from other gods
he and hammers operate under their own special rules
sudden depot
you can only take 3 boons from him too
exotic dagger
@raven pollen no, you’ll get a hermes boon, and then probably the next encounter you have with a god, you'll get the god you selected in your keepsake
muted latch
hermes and hammers are separate
sweet root
your god keepsake will replace the next non-hermes god you find
raven pollen
How do hammers and hermes work?
sweet root
you can get two of them max
muted latch
you can only get boons from 4 god at most unless you force with keepsake, but hermes is separate from that
gaunt swift
do so much damage with increased security
sweet root
until styx, where you can optionally buy a third
gaunt swift
i might lose this run cuzz of them
muted latch
increased security is a very hard option dont use it
sudden depot
the only way to get a third hammer is through the anvil though right
and its random
muted latch
like even the high heat run players dont use it
sweet root
its easier to manage when you're more experienced
but even then its still not a very good option to take
sudden depot
heightened security suuuuuuucks
sweet root
once you get really good its not bad but its not good either
but for only 1 point its usually not worth taking
exotic dagger
I feel like ||EM|| gives you the best bang for your buck points wise
raven pollen
Trial of gods also replaces chosen boon from relic?
sweet root
btw we probably shouldnt be talking about this in this channel
since its clearly a spoiler
exotic dagger
You're right
sudden depot
oops
candid nimbus
Confuses new players at least, unless they're brave souls who start on hellmode
gaunt swift
so wit that ||compaion 3 charges|| can i beat ||hades|| no deth defiance
candid nimbus
Some ||companions|| cannot be used at final boss
sudden depot
specifically the damage dealing ones
exotic dagger
Depends on which. I've used ||Skelly|| on final boss. Not very useful, but you can use it
sudden depot
||skelly|| doesnt deal damage so yeah you can use ||him||
gaunt swift
does ||hades laser count as lava|| i just got 1 shot by it
gaunt swift
literally did 125 damage ina second
raven pollen
In the last area, are the more expensive than normal items in charon's shop better? Or just desperation?
raven pollen
And the 500 gold God boon?
sudden depot
thats just special cause its hermes
it does have higher rarity than normal hermes too
but its only 50 more than the other gods in styx cause hermes
raven pollen
Man, maybe I'm stupid, but I'm not wild on hermes boons
pallid tangle
Hermes doesn't have a boon keepsake for a reason
sudden depot
except sometimes that one that makes them pop out faster
pallid tangle
Hermes boons are on-par with chaos
And honestly? I think they're often better than chaos
sudden depot
i live for that extra dash charge
but usually theyre not really gamechanging either
exotic dagger
I mean, I can relate with the feeling though. I don't actively avoid Hermes, but between him and a god that has an essential boon for my build, I choose the latter
sudden depot
yeah pretty much
exotic dagger
Except if I'm looking for speed/attack speed
sudden depot
like he's a god you pretty much never get screwed on, hes always gonna help you
but hes not usually going to help you a lot
alpine epoch
imo most hermes boons are kinda eh
safe niche
more dashes and sprinting are really strong imo
sudden depot
side hustle early on is worth like 2 extra shop boons which is pretty cool
sick grove
hermes highr tier boons are reallly nice
alpine epoch
the sprint boon is one of the best boons in the game
but none of his other boons stand out
extra attack/special speed is eh
movement speed is fine
dodge is fine
everything is just fine
except dashes
sudden depot
his boons scale real well on rarity too, like theyre so lackluster at common rarity
exotic dagger
Extra attack speed can change your run if you run an specially slow weapon, imo
sick grove
higher tier like rush delivery, and cast legendaries.
raven pollen
Does the boon that gives you increases damage after death defiance stack with multiple uses of death defiance?
alpine epoch
i don't usually play with slow weapons though
extra special speed when i use chiron bow is nice
but it's not gamechanging or anything
gaunt swift
are pams improtant i rarely go for them
exotic dagger
Does the boon that gives you increases damage after death defiance stack with multiple uses of death defiance?
@raven pollen I think so, not sure though. Experience tells me that it probably stacks
pallid tangle
But yes definitely they can be very good
raven pollen
I've given skelly 6 nectars. How do I start giving ambrosia?
uncut parrot
need to complete his favor I think
exotic dagger
He will tell you very clearly what to do, yeah
old skiff
BRUH YOU ARE NOT SAYING THAT EXTRA ATTACK SPEED IS USELESS
Plus attack speed on Arthur is just insane
hot yoke
Vague
alpine epoch
like i said depends on the weapon
i pretty much never play with arthur but i could see why extra attack speed would be very useful
hot yoke
Rare or up is nice
But it shouldn't make that much of a difference since you usually either play dash or buffer the first two attacks
Obvs it makes a difference
But I hope yk what I mean
old skiff
True. Bruh what does attack speed on bow even do???
hot yoke
Faster charge up
old skiff
Oh right
digital lynx
this is gonna sound surprising but im kinda new to sord so.....
which one should i go for
dusty shuttle
flurry is my preferred!
exotic dagger
Flurry is good, provided you can get good damage going on. I’d try getting either a dionysus boon (the flurry makes it so hangover stacks very easily) or an artemis boon for crit
misty remnant
Dumb question: if you buy redundant decorations in the House, how do you switch between them? or did I just waste gemstones?
misty remnant
ah I see
stuck furnace
I thought attack speed didn't affect charge times
gray haven
It does.
But on bow, it only affects the regular Attack. It doesn't affect Dash-Strikes.
limpid linden
whats good build for the sword first clear
beaten the game with every other weapon
sword feels horrible
what would be the easiest boon?
sick grove
easiest would probably be 3rd aspect with cast build. don't even have to fully max the aspect to be for it to start working.
foggy sparrow
Lv1 is already enough, the subsequent levels are nice in ||higher heats|| tho
The Zag sword can make you a speedy boy btw, but I reccomend Poseidon
limpid linden
I dont' have any blood invested
sick grove
yep. lv1 is enough for the playstyle :B
gray haven
@foggy sparrow ||Heat|| is spoilers here. 
limpid linden
any other ideas?
formal rover
use merciful end
formal rover
it’s the same chances as any other duo
use god keepsakes to force the prereqs and it should turn up fairly reliably
foggy sparrow
Try to get the Athena Dash and the Doom on your normal attack, that's the optimal anyway
For using it, I mean
leaden whale
hoarding slash isn't that great but I've made it work when I got it early on, ended up with 4600 gold 😂
so 230 damage, and I used the artemis attack boon
sick grove
Shouldn't affect
frosty basin
Easiest to use as a pure melee is probably Athena attack
So you don't suffer from enemy bullets of any kind
+Athena dash as well naturally
Perhaps you can try going for Deadly Reversal? Merciful End? If you want a duo
Or just play normally, don't strictly need duos/legendaries to win anyhow
sick grove
Hammer isn't particularly important for cast. Get a cast which embeds like flood/phalanx/lightning/true.
Get exit wounds from Artemis.
Try to pick up cast related stuff from chaos if possible.
should be good enough :B
stuck furnace
I use Zagreus' Stygius the most, but Nemesis and Poseidon aspects are both good in their own way
Poseidon for cast setups and up to +50% cast damage, and Nemesis goes up to a whopping +30% crit chance(!!)
I just like Zag for the attack speed, though. Works with anything and everything.
Movespeed is nice too sometimes, has some synergy with Rush Delivery if ya boy Hermes happens to give it to you.
limpid linden
I beat it with that cast build
stuck furnace
Zagreus' aspects are also all dirt cheap to invest in.
stuck furnace
Yeah, triple cast and slam
limpid linden
Do you get anything that makes it cool
stuck furnace
Artemis has Exit Wounds and Fully Loaded for more synergy, I suppose.
And ||Chaos|| can offer a Grasp boon.
Boiling Blood from the Mirror is good too for bonus damage after the first cast on a given target.
limpid linden
Okay so I never understood how some boons work
Is the one that gives u dodge chance for clearing encounters
If I bring that first encounter
will it stay if I change it
stuck furnace
Nope, you're committed to Lambent Plume if you decide to run it.
Same for the Pierced Butterfly, as its buff also fades upon swapping it out.
Lambent Plume does qualify you for Rush Delivery, though, so that's neat!
limpid linden
So what are good early boons outside of gods
stuck furnace
You mean trinkets?
stuck furnace
Close enough
limpid linden
I cleared with every weapon
stuck furnace
I usually start with a god's keepsake, but Charon and Hypnos are both reasonably practical
Sisyphus' keepsake can carry you for Tartarus while you acquire boons
limpid linden
I feel loke I cleared too much
||I can’t get my guan yu||
-_-
Achilles won’t talk about it
stuck furnace
Hidden aspects are spoilers, btw, mark 'em with || on each side
Dialogue RNG is a thing, it took me a while to get Achilles to start talking about his history with ||Patroclus||
Still somewhat stuck with that questline.
limpid linden
so I should just keep dying
stuck furnace
I just go for more clears
limpid linden
I wouldn’t care but I wanna get the hidden aspect for the gun
stuck furnace
That's from ||Zeus||. Fun gun
If a bit impractical, perhaps
But that's Exagryph as a whole, really
old crypt
So you have invested only one blood into your weapons?
limpid linden
I have 6 in the spear, 6 in gun 3 in shield 2 in sword
old crypt
and still no achilles talk?
rose willow
do keys have any use if u opened all of the mirror and all weapons?
old crypt
you trade them for nectar
old crypt
basically they're not the best option
stuck furnace
You can get ||Fated Authority|| from them.
Which can be better than the ||+5 HP and 20 gold upgrades for Darkness and Gemstones||, respectively
limpid linden
you can trade them for tidal blood sometimes
rose willow
basic so far
stuck furnace
||Heat|| is considered a spoiler
rose willow
ty
stuck furnace
limpid linden
||whats fates authority||
stuck furnace
Aegis is nice and newbie friendly
Amari, ||Fated Authority allows you to reroll either a room's reward, or reroll the pool of items/boons in Cleansing Fountains, Chiron's Wells, Poms of Power, and god boons||
Depends which version you use.
limpid linden
||waif everytime I use that I’m using a key?||
rose willow
||getting a key you get 1 of those things to reroll||
uncut parrot
yes and no, you need to buy the house contractor's upgrade for that
once you do, getting a key reward gets you ||an additional dice||
edgy tartan
||Guan Yu was surprisingly good, honestly. I thought that playing with such low health was gonna be suicide, but it made me play somehow both more careful (way more conscientious of my health and spacing on the field) but also less careful (way more brazen with the spin attack and more willing to get aggressive with enemies)?|| I still remember from when I used to play Hearthstone the adage that the only hitpoint that matters is the last one, and I guess that applies here as well, as I'm learning
stuck furnace
Yep
Not getting hit to begin with is the better option here, but health recovery is absolutely something you can play around
static anvil
So is it impossible to reach full hearts with either ||Meg or Than without romancing them?||
thick maple
Can someone explain where on the UI I can see how many ||remaining companion calls I have left in a run and how often I can use it? I should have 5 calls but am not able to call it 5 times sometimes||
leaden whale
Under it's icon
static anvil
The number for how many you have left is right above/below the rank ||of your companion||
leaden whale
Like every other consumable
thick maple
Is there some sort of internal cooldown to use it?
gray haven
Once per encounter.
leaden whale
No, just once per battle
thick maple
oh I see the number now.. I swear I have tried to use ||bouldy|| fewer than 5 times and get Can't used that and not in the final fight either
gray haven
If you've already used one in a chamber and open a trove after that, you can't use it during that fight.
thick maple
Can it not be used in Styx at all?
gray haven
It can.
thick maple
Hmmm I'll try to be more cognizant of when I can't use it and see if it's because I ran out of charges, thanks
dusty gate
I also think you need to actually be fighting
gray haven
Maybe you're miscounting. But if you're sure of that, send a bug report.
Yeah, that too.
thick maple
Fighting yeah of course
dusty gate
Can’t use it for the swag after the fight ends
Counter is at the top left, just above your boons
||bouldy can be used during the final fight, it has no restrictions like that||
Others can’t
On that topic, thoughts on best one?
thick maple
I'll keep a look out, ch eers
dusty gate
I’ve been using ||bouldy|| but am considering going back to ||meg or than|| for the damage
eager flame
I just started on friday and finally beat the main story
there's still a lot of stuff for me to unlock
uncut parrot
same
buoyant thunder
Sounds like you have graduated. Good luck on the other side!
uncut parrot
thank you
safe niche
i still havent finished story so i guess im a new player
old skiff
oh I see the number now.. I swear I have tried to use ||bouldy|| fewer than 5 times and get Can't used that and not in the final fight either
Same glitch happened to me
rose willow
IF i have a room, with 3 exits and a chaos exit... if i enter the chaos exit, do i get those 3 exits again then or do i "progress" further in the stage
buoyant thunder
Judging by my last few runs, I am pretty sure it is random.
sour kite
@rose willow you get different options
jagged lantern
hello I am on 28th attempt I reachead to hades but I am still confused that what is titans blood ? I have 3 of them but I dont know any information about them.
humble grotto
I finally escaped for the first time wooo
rocky sigil
@jagged lantern ||titan blood will be used to upgarde weapons later on in the game||
jagged lantern
@jagged lantern ||titan blood will be used to upgarde weapons later on in the game||
@rocky sigil So ı should keep it and buy it from the brooker ?
rocky sigil
Yeah ideally, it's a very useful currency later in the game.
I think you need something like 150 titan blood to ||max out all the weapons||
I wouldn't trade them for darkness or anything like that
jagged lantern
Yeah ideally, it's a very useful currency later in the game.
@rocky sigil Thank you for the answer sir !
rocky sigil
np
hearty vortex
normal arrow
306
5 + 15 + 16 + 15 = 51 per weapon
I think it's the most valuable meta-currency in the game (on par with ambrosia, since you can exchange them for each other)
rose willow
Thanks bouldy
nimble knoll
i always recommend focusing down asterius before theseus
dealing with one boss at a time helps
fathom violet
kill bull first while dodging the spear from theseus
leaden whale
oh ok thanks
nimble knoll
no prob man 🙂
dusty gate
There aren’t any skins
leaden whale
oh i see
dusty gate
If you just keep at it you’ll get them in due time
leaden whale
ok thanks
buoyant thunder
Man, Tisiphone has a lot on her mind.
dense laurel
yeah like 2
dusty gate
Murder and murder
buoyant thunder
Don't forget murderer
dense laurel
*murder and zagreus
dusty gate
Anyone else immediately think of the tisiphone edge from golden sun?
Maybe I’m alone in that lol
buoyant thunder
Sorry, I don't know the reference
leaden whale
Which one
Nvm found it
Never gotten that far in the game sadly 
Heh, maybe some of these days when I open the gba again
dusty gate
Trip down memory lane at this point
leaden whale
Had good music too
raven pollen
After I give people 6 nectars, why won't their quests show up? I don't know what I'm missing
ruby relic
How do I even get Titan blood
I had like 5 of it and used it on the rail, can’t seem to get any more drops
leaden whale
im brand new to the game, and i am stuck on the centar, what weapon or what boons could help me beat him for the first time?
dusty gate
Minotaur?
leaden whale
yea whatever
dusk elk
kill the bull first
dusty gate
Just trying to understand where you are
The one where he’s fighting with a shield guy?
dusty gate
Yeah this is why I asked lol
copper yacht
Bow is the easiest weapon to win with for the 1st time, Id say
dusty gate
Is it a duo?
leaden whale
no
dense laurel
hes talking abt asterius miniboss
copper yacht
So the miniboss Bull fight, then
leaden whale
im fighting the guy with the axe
dusty gate
Ok
cinder harness
Using a ranged weapon can help u keep distance if ur having issues dodging
dense laurel
its not rly a guy
dusty gate
Try to stay out of melee range until he’s done with a three hit swing
leaden whale
ok
dusty gate
It has very clear patterns so just try to pay attention to when it’s attacking and when it stops
When it tries to charge you try to dash through a pillar
leaden whale
ok
dusty gate
So that it runs into it and stops
leaden whale
ok
dusty gate
You only need to get it down to like 1/4 hp
leaden whale
then what?
dusty gate
Then the fights over
crimson pivot
then he calls off the fights and leaves
dusty gate
Good luck
leaden whale
oh yea also
are there any daedalus hammer upgrades that make your weapon objectivly worse?
copper yacht
Yes
Depends on the weapons, tho
Rn I can think of Dash Nova on sword, for example
Which is pretty awful, imo
For rail, there is spreadfire, which can be a big downgrade if you dont have the build for it
Etc
copper yacht
?
leaden whale
yea but its spread out
copper yacht
I said spreadfire, not cluster
leaden whale
any bad upgrades for the spear?
dusty gate
I don’t use it much, sorry
leaden whale
i guess the one that adds two more attacks to the basic one on both sides
as if you're using a trident
dusty gate
Lol
copper yacht
I hate spear with all my being
leaden whale
why?
dusty gate
I really don’t like it either, although ||achilles|| seems useful
copper yacht
Its just not fun to use, the spin attack is worthless without any hammer, the base dmg of the attack feels very weak
zinc dagger
I only used it to get the prophecy for getting to the surface with ||guan yu||
leaden whale
i like it because it is melee and ranged
dusty gate
I tried ||guan yu|| and died fast
Lol
I didn’t realize it had ||dropped my hp by 70%||
leaden whale
tf is guan yu
edgy tartan
a mega spoiler
zinc dagger
I just did the highest starting health I could
dense laurel
u dont use hidden spear b4 maxing it
leaden whale
how do i get the secret form of my weapons? or is it a spoiler
dusty gate
There’s a nice guide on the wiki
dense laurel
check #h1-story-discussion pinned post if u want to spoil urelf
dusty gate
It’s somewhat involved, worth checking out
leaden whale
is it a spoiler?
dusty gate
The existence of them is a spoiler lol
dense laurel
kinda, but unrelated to story i guess
leaden whale
oh ok
dusty gate
The way to unlock it not so much
They’re generally pretty mixed
||guan yu spear|| is trash
||shield and claws|| are fire imo
dense laurel
its risk/reward situation, its stronger but have penalties
leaden whale
is the way to unlock them a really stupid puzzle that you need to look up a guide for?
dusty gate
Not a puzzle
dense laurel
i dont think so
copper yacht
Nope
leaden whale
ok then
dense laurel
theres no puzzles or elaborate easter eggs ive seen in the game
dusty gate
Just ||spend one blood on every weapon|| and you’ll get them naturally
dense laurel
theres no bad/good weps, its all playstyles related
dusty gate
My vote is ||eris|| rail
edgy tartan
Also ||I actually got Guan Yu to work pretty decently with Chill Flourish, honestly. Got beat by the final boss just because I had no more Death Defiances||
dense laurel
u can find at least one person, hating for each weapon
dusty gate
That’s typically how you end up dying lol
dusty gate
I think it’s clear people tend to dislike the spear more than the others
dense laurel
smh just refill ur dd
dusty gate
I see that complaint a lot
leaden whale
what is the most generaly liked weapon?
dusty gate
That’s a lot more up in the air
dense laurel
shield is the safest weapon i guess
dusty gate
||chaos|| shield is terrific for reliable early clears
edgy tartan
I personally am a huge fan of Aegis
copper yacht
||I do athena attack and artemis special with guan yu, but the issue being that if you dont get any of the spin hammer... Yikes||
edgy tartan
Can confirm with that shield aspect
copper yacht
Indeed
dusty gate
I also like the hidden shield a lot for higher heat when I need the damage
copper yacht
Either that or ||chiron|| bow
edgy tartan
ooooh, definitely
dusty gate
Yeah ||chiron|| is a very good esrly weapon as well
edgy tartan
That plus Zeus on Attack? Magnificent
dusty gate
||eris|| rail is a monster
copper yacht
On attack ?
leaden whale
is there an upgrade i gen get for the railgun that puts my crytals in my attack?
exotic dagger
Sorry to be kind of a stickler to the rules, but maybe this is not the right channel to discuss all these very late game things?
dusty gate
Zeus on ||chiron|| is meh imo