h1-for-new-players

[nova vigil]

:( :( :(

[sterile solar]

Then if you still met the criteria, is still rng, it did get buffed as onyx said

[pulsar frigate]

it's likely to still be quite low

[nova vigil]

I take chaos portals almost every time too damn

[sterile solar]

SLIGHTLY like the patch notes said

[charred drum]

What use for this fish ?

[sterile solar]

Resources

[nova vigil]

codex entry

[sterile solar]

And codex

[nova vigil]

well 3 codex entries

[pulsar frigate]

i'm only a semi-completionist

[nova vigil]

assuming I ever get 3

[sterile solar]

Chaos fish are worth darkness

[pulsar frigate]

i've completely given up on getting those fish

RIP to my codex but

[charred drum]

Okay, is it rare ? I felt like that was important but resource and codex well I can live without it

[sterile solar]

I got them all, took me a while to get the common one 🥲

Yeha it doesnt help at all if you dont need the darkness

[nova vigil]

I have the other fish but I've never seen a single fishing spot in chaos which I guess is just bad luck

[charred drum]

The darkness ?

[sterile solar]

Fish from chaos are worth darkness

[charred drum]

Aw okay, darkness is the purple gem currency right ?

[sterile solar]

Yes

[nova vigil]

maybe I'll get one before 100 runs 😂

watch me see the fishing spot next run and miss the catch

[sterile solar]

🥲

Has happened

[nova vigil]

I'm still missing the legendary fish in the 2nd and 3rd areas anyways so at least I have something feasible to chase 😂

[sterile solar]

I was missing most of the common fishes for a long time

Suffering from success

[hot yoke]

[night geode]

Yeah I'm one Trout away from finishing its codex and I've failed multiple times trying to intentionally not do a perfect catch

[sterile solar]

Is all knuckleheads

[hot yoke]

Chaos fish

I always get hella nervous when one appears

[sterile solar]

I wouldnt be surprised if I catch a knucklehead in chaos

[hot yoke]

Pull out too early

Usually not my problem

[night geode]

I've only caught one there in 70-ish runs

[gleaming crypt]

im convinced there is no timing skill to the fishing game and its mostly RNG.

[sterile solar]

There is timing

Thats why you have a normal catch and a perfect catch

[hot yoke]

Maximum of 3 bobs

4th one will ways be guaranteed

[sterile solar]

But you can also get it before the 3 bobs

[hot yoke]

Legendary fish is perfect catch(within 0.32s) and 5% chance

Obvsl

Just for easy catches

[sterile solar]

Feels like 1% in tartarus, 99% knuckleheads

[hot yoke]

Maybe cause you're one

[nova vigil]

it's definitely not 5%

[hot yoke]

[sterile solar]

🥲

[hot yoke]

Legendary chance is 5%

For legendary fish

[nova vigil]

unless I'm extremely lucky constantly it's not 5%

[sterile solar]

5 percent to get a rare from a perfect catch

[nova vigil]

on perfect catch

[formal rover]

i’m pretty dubious of the 5% chance at this point

[hot yoke]

Wait wasn't it legendary?

[sterile solar]

Is called rare

Not legendary

[hot yoke]

Nah there's rare and legendary fishes

[sterile solar]

No

Is common, uncommon and rare

[fading prism]

5 percent to get a rare from a perfect catch
@sterile solar there’s perfect catches?!

[hot yoke]

Really?

[formal rover]

now that i’m getting perfect catches more regularly, it’s becoming pretty obvious that more than 5% of them are legendary

[nova vigil]

it feels like closer to 50/50 I would believe 30/70 even but 5% there's no watt

way

[hot yoke]

It's uncommon?

[sterile solar]

Yes

Wait no

They changed it

It used to be like that

[hot yoke]

@fading prism prefect is catching within 0.32 if the thing going down

[nova vigil]

I got 6 Stonewhals consecutively which no matter what is lucky but on 5% is near impossible

[sterile solar]

Now they changed it to legendary

[night geode]

Yeah I think that info is out of date

[fading prism]

@fading prism prefect is catching within 0.32 if the thing going down
@hot yoke 📝📝 thank you

[sterile solar]

Is it really impossible?

[night geode]

I've caught way too many legendaries for it to be 5%

[formal rover]

yeah 50/50 is what it feels like to me

might be worse than that, but it’s not 5%

[hot yoke]

That's not how chance works @nova vigil

5% can also mean 7 times in a row

Every roll is, usually, independent from the others

[nova vigil]

I've also been 2/4 on scyllascions on my last 4 catches

there's just no way

[hot yoke]

Games change that a lot of times so it feels closer on how we think chance works

[nova vigil]

like the chance of that happening at 5% is so low

[hot yoke]

But 5% doesn't mean it's guaranteed to get 5 rare in 100 catches

DUDE

[nova vigil]

to go 8/10

[formal rover]

yeah we know how chance works lol

[hot yoke]

That's not how chance works

Lockleaf apparently doesnt

[nova vigil]

I know how chance works

[formal rover]

over time we’re getting much higher than 5% legendaries

[sterile solar]

5% CHANCE not, 5 out of a 100, thats why it has chance

[dusty gate]

Every roll is independent of each other, but the results trend toward the probability as attempts go up

If this many people are reporting greater than 5%, it’s probably not 5%

[nova vigil]

and I'm telling you the chance of consecutively getting 8 instances of 5 percent is so low I refuse to believe it's 5%

[night geode]

Yeah exactly

[hot yoke]

If you count 8 out of 1k f.e.

That's what I meant

[night geode]

On my own there's a chance that it could be 5% and I'm just lucky, but this much anecdotal evidence suggests that it's higher

[sterile solar]

I get so many knuckleheads, I refuse to believe is even 5%

[formal rover]

sure, it’s possible multiple people are getting a 50/50 legendary/rare ratio over dozens of catches and the chance is only 5%

but it starts to look pretty unlikely after a while

[hot yoke]

But it's unlikely ikr

That's the point

[sterile solar]

Guess my luck is just bad

[hot yoke]

That's my whole entire point

[formal rover]

are you counting perfect catches, or just catches in general?

[sterile solar]

Perfect

[hot yoke]

It might be different but we don't have the tools to stat it accordingly

[formal rover]

true

we don’t know for sure

[dusty gate]

We can get a decent rough idea

[formal rover]

based on this, it’s probably less than 50/50 if you’re getting a lot of knuckleheads

[hot yoke]

Well for it to be accreate we'd have to do and insane amount of catching

[formal rover]

but 5% is very low for what i’m seeing

[hot yoke]

And be consistent

[nova vigil]

I've played enough gacha games to know when I'm lucky and when the rates are off

I think the rates are off

[hot yoke]

I'm pretty sure that just confirmation bias

Our feeling of chance is very off from the real thing usually

[dusty gate]

Confirmation bias is not a powerful force when the odds are only 5% lol

[formal rover]

we more than likely all have confirmation bias

[hot yoke]

Yep

[formal rover]

that doesn’t help us find the real answer lol

[hot yoke]

But debating over "oh but it feels low" also doesn't

Either test or let it rest

[formal rover]

fair ig

[dusty gate]

I’ve never had confirmation bias on a 5% chance lol

Usually it feels lower

[hot yoke]

...

[formal rover]

that’s confirmation bias

if it feels lower than it is

[hot yoke]

Thx

[dusty gate]

It’s the opposite of confirmation bias

Idk what that phrase would be

[formal rover]

confirmation bias works just fine both ways

[dusty gate]

In any event

Confirmation bias is unlikely to explain people feeling like the odds are 50:50 if they’re really 5:95

[hot yoke]

Confirmation bias is not relegated to "positive events" or "high chances"

[sterile solar]

Is all knuckleheads 🥲

[dusty gate]

That’s not how it would operate

[hot yoke]

Confirmation bias doesn't operate
It's a psychological phenomenon

[formal rover]

^

[dusty gate]

Phenomenons operate lol

It’s unlikely to cause people to report much higher odds for something they’re seeking

[formal rover]

it’s entirely possible i’ve actually been getting 5% legendary catches, but am just misremembering or not paying attention

obviously, i don’t think that’s the case

[hot yoke]

Jesus confirmation bias works every way my dude

[formal rover]

but i can’t know for certain, as i haven’t been keeping records

[dusty gate]

I get what you’re saying

But it’s an unlikely explanation here

If anything at 5% odds people would likely perceive the odds to be lower, not higher

[hot yoke]

If you're driving a car and you have the feeling every light is red

That's you

You only remember what you want

Your memories selective

[dusty gate]

I know how it works lol

[nova vigil]

regardless of whether it's confirmation bias I'm nearly positive I'm correct on this front tbh

[formal rover]

i think we all are lol

[hot yoke]

Then get the statistics behind it

[nova vigil]

like whether I have a basis or not I'm still probably right tbh

[dusty gate]

But when someone is failing at something 19 times out of 20

[formal rover]

someone’ll prolly dig the number out of the code at some point

[hot yoke]

We only know if

[dusty gate]

They are unlikely to exaggerate the one in 20 event

[formal rover]

until then, it doesn’t really matter

[hot yoke]

Then get the statistics behind it
@hot yoke

[dusty gate]

They are more likely to exaggerate the 19 in 20 event

[hot yoke]

Us raving about the chances literally does nothing rn

[formal rover]

of course, it’s easy for me to say; i caught the ||greece|| legendary a couple of days ago and now only fish for fun lol

[nova vigil]

I mean how many fish do i need to test before it's no longer anecdotal?

1000 seems doable

[dusty gate]

It’s always anecdotal

[formal rover]

i mean, if they catch 1000 fish and keep records, i think that counts as valid research at that point

[sterile solar]

It will always be anecdotal

Thats why is chance

[dusty gate]

The level of confidence just goes up with more attempts

[formal rover]

yeah

and 1000 is a lot

[dusty gate]

The basic idea is for N attempts

The average of the results as N trends toward infinity is the odds

[hot yoke]

Either numbers from code

Or multiple systems testing N attempts

[formal rover]

yeah someone’ll get it from the code at some point

[hot yoke]

Code is the most reliable source

[formal rover]

that’s why i’m not gonna bother testing it myself lol

[hot yoke]

Waste if time yeah

[dusty gate]

Having a computer run attempts is still anecdotal lol

It’ll just be able to achieve more attempts faster

You can get enough attempts to have a reasonable idea either way

[formal rover]

we’re talking about literally looking into the game’s code and finding the actual percentage

[sterile solar]

A reasonable idea is still iffy at best

[formal rover]

that’s not anecdotal, that’s literally objective

[sterile solar]

Well the code yes

[dusty gate]

He said “either numbers from code or multiple systems testing N attempts”

[formal rover]

idk how you’d even set up automated fishing

[dusty gate]

The latter is anecdotal

[formal rover]

sounds like you’d need a mod, which would require knowing the number already

[dusty gate]

Usually you have a computer run simulations

We are obviously not going to do that

[formal rover]

oh right sorry i thought you were replying to the code thing

fair enough

[native oak]

||Do you need to unlock all other aspects of a weapon to get the last one?||

[dusty gate]

I haven’t done it yet, but from what I’ve read, no

[night geode]

No you do not

[native oak]

are there any special requirements though?

[dusty gate]

Yeah

[formal rover]

if you want the specifics, there’s a pinned post in #h1-story-discussion

[dusty gate]

||need to unlock five aspects||

[nova vigil]

||I can't even get the dialogue for the first one 😂||

[native oak]

||I already got Varatha last unlock so I assume others will start trickling in then ||

[graceful sedge]

did someone said 1k fish catch?

[dusty gate]

||then as I understand it you need to spend 5 blood on the weapon and then talk to the relevant deity||

[night geode]

Yeah, once you get that one just keep spending blood and talking to people and the rest will happen eventually

[sterile solar]

Just need 5

Blood

[night geode]

There's still some RNG involved though, even once you meet the prerequisites

[sterile solar]

Correct

But you only need 5 blood

[night geode]

Yep

[nova vigil]

ya I've had that done for 20+ runs now 😂 no dice on the aspects

bad rng I think on that front

[sterile solar]

Once you meet the requirement is rng

[hot yoke]

He said “either numbers from code or multiple systems testing N attempts”
@dusty gate I said those are prolly the best options but code is the best
Tf you're sayin

Cause the first option is not really possible and inaccurate yk

[dusty gate]

If you read what I say you will probably understand it lol

That quote is from you, btw

[hot yoke]

Ik my man

I elaborated on that

[dusty gate]

The question was, what would not be anecdotal evidence

You listed two things

One was just another way of generating anecdotal evidence

[hot yoke]

As I said code
The other thing would've been closer to non anecdotal

[dusty gate]

No

It’s either anecdotal or it isn’t anecdotal

[hot yoke]

Idk what you have to prove to me

[dusty gate]

It’s true or false

Code would be good but it doesn’t seem we have that option

[hot yoke]

Did I ever say anything else?
Calm down man> It’s either anecdotal or it isn’t anecdotal
@dusty gate

[sterile solar]

YET

[dusty gate]

I’m calm

What are you getting upset for lol

[hot yoke]

Where am I?

[dusty gate]

Yes, you just said the opposite

“Calm down man”

[night geode]

Cmon y'all

[dusty gate]

Usually when I see that, it’s the speaker who actually needs to calm down lol

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

[sterile solar]

Vo1di embrace bouldy

[hot yoke]

I think apoca needs to embrace Bouldy

[dusty gate]

Lol, ok

[hot yoke]

But I'll call you next time I need a psychologist

;D

[dusty gate]

Idk what you’re so butthurt over lol

[sterile solar]

I'll be your psycho

Psychologist

[hot yoke]

You are my psycho

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

Dude that was supposed to be a joke

Don't take me so seriously

We're on the internet here

[sterile solar]

No one does

[dusty gate]

Lol, ok

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

That's the key

[dusty gate]

Im new here, I don’t get the meme

[formal rover]

the meme is bouldy

bouldy is the meme

[sterile solar]

Bouldy is no meme

[formal rover]

imagine me saying that in a wise guru voice

[sterile solar]

Bouldy is serious business

[hot yoke]

Bouldy is love

[mental widget]

You have insulted the great Bouldy
Your fate has been sealed

[frosty basin]

You spend an eternity pushing a boulder up a hill over and over again you start to have feelings for the thing

[mental widget]

Also hello everyone!

[formal rover]

oh no

[hot yoke]

I only get angry when you insult bouldy

[frosty basin]

[formal rover]

i meant no disrespect to the great bouldy ofc

[sterile solar]

People here really believing bouldy is just a boulder

[mental widget]

smh

[hot yoke]

Heyo hornet

Lurking?

[sterile solar]

Yall going to erebus

[formal rover]

i will gift him many nectar to make up for this terrible crime

[mental widget]

Nope, just joined a minute ago!

[hot yoke]

Welcome!!!

[sterile solar]

Ambiguity will fall upon you

[hot yoke]

Like || ...||

[formal rover]

truly, an ambiguous fate

[mental widget]

Thank youu

[sterile solar]

Hi hornet person

[mental widget]

Hi wine person

[sterile solar]

[hot yoke]

[scenic sparrow]

Found my first demeter boon after meeting the final boss for the first time. Are there any other gods that have to be unlocked like that?

[sterile solar]

No

[scenic sparrow]

Ok

She gave me a laser turret thing, she seems neat

[mental widget]

She is a cutie

[hot yoke]

You need to build around it

Otherwise it's weak unfortunately

But it's fun

[night geode]

Yeah it requires some other boons to really work well but if you can get it going it's kind of hilarious

[scenic sparrow]

I have the +2 casts from the mirror and got another +1 from chaos, so that's pretty fun so far

[native oak]

||If you build the aquarium, does it allow you to fish in it?||

[sterile solar]

Lmfao

No

It shows you to see how many fish you've caught

[candid nimbus]

It tracks the number of unfortunate fish souls

[sterile solar]

You mean fortunate?

I saved them from the magma!

[serene dew]

I have searched on google everywhere but does anyone know how to progress the Bouldy storyline? I must have given him 90 nectar 😦 does he really never talk T_T

[candid nimbus]

There's a storyline for ?

[frosty basin]

afaik ||giving nectar to Bouldy only gives you a random bonus of his for the current run||

[dusty gate]

How do you even talk to him

[leaden whale]

Casually approach and press "E"

[dusty gate]

I didn’t have the option

Do you unlock it somehow?

[leaden whale]

It should after sometime talking and gifting Sisyphus

[dusty gate]

Ok thx

I’ve only given one gift to Sisyphus

[leaden whale]

that's probably why

[mental widget]

Gib to

[serene dew]

@frosty basin thanks I didnt know that - i'll stop throwing them away haha

[frosty basin]

I mean you will find yourself running out of use for nectar very fast

might as well

It's usually a net gain per run since only one nectar for every ||bouldy|| visit

[atomic ledge]

hello i got one simple question. will there be any new content? i mean more plot, stories, new stages etc?

[leaden whale]

We don't know

Rigth now they're bugfixing and balancing. They say they'll be taking a break after that before planning their next move
They usually don't add more past 1.0, judging from their previous work

[static anvil]

Does quitting the game (pressing home and closing it on switch) count as an escape in-game?

[dusty gate]

The game is already so content packed

I’d prefer they just move on to their next project

In due time

[native oak]

||would you guys recommend maxing Olympian Favor or God's Legacy 1st?||

[sterile solar]

Which one do you use?

Wait no

They are different

They are used differently

Id say gods legacy, that way it actually does something

Honestly, they are both % so it doesn't really matter

Id say olympian favor since the % is higher

And it actually has an effect right away

God legacy you still need to set up for legendaries and duo to even have a chance to show

[native oak]

fair enough

thanks @sterile solar |

[static anvil]

Tfw you didn't read a boon completely and you swap out Divine Dash for the Lightning Dash

[hot yoke]

Oh that hurts

I find zeus dash fun tho

With double strike

[sterile solar]

Just extra dmg

Free

[static anvil]

It is but I'm going to the third boss without any hangover dash ;-; ||and these mofos don't stop long enough for my specials and casts to hit||

[hot yoke]

Gotta hit quicker then lol

[leaden whale]

Bruh. Hades is on sale on Epic Games store with 20% off. The price dropped to $20. I also have a $10 coupon for the Epic Games store, so I just got Hades for $10.

[hot yoke]

Welcome

Prepare to play nothing else

[sterile solar]

Did you mean prepare to die?

[leaden whale]

I've been wanting to buy it, but I was saving up money for a PS5. $10 is an expense I'll make an exception for

[dusty gate]

It’s either that or a sandwich lol

I’ll take the game

[scarlet crag]

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[leaden whale]

I could buy a pizza, OR I could buy Hades

Actually, a pizza is like 15 bucks, so I got Hades for cheaper than a pizza

[dusty gate]

Really like 2/3 of a pizza lol

Yeah

[sterile solar]

Hades eliminates my need for food

[dusty gate]

I hate the feeling where you get amazing boons

But then you make a stupid mistake and screw up what should have been a great run

[sterile solar]

Lol

You just described the genre

[hot yoke]

Pizza is only once

Hades is forever

[dusty gate]

Like take healing on Sisyphus when my hp is full

Dammit

[hot yoke]

[sterile solar]

I dont think Ive ever taken anything from sisyphus other than obols

[dusty gate]

That’s almost always what I go for

Hit the button too fast

[static anvil]

Is Broken Spearpoint better than the uuhhhh 6% food urns?

[hot yoke]

Mostly yes

[static anvil]

keep in mind am trash

[hot yoke]

But acorn exists so

[sterile solar]

They have different purposes

[dusty gate]

I usually don’t use it

[hot yoke]

Well then both are nice

[dusty gate]

First few areas im aiming for specific boons

[hot yoke]

I only use gods keepsake, purse and acorn

[dusty gate]

Lmao autocorrect

[sterile solar]

I aim for specific boobs too

[dusty gate]

Then I do coins

Then extra life or acorn

[sterile solar]

I do coins, then pom for 2 and 3, then spearpoint

[hot yoke]

Imagine people that don't force builds

[dusty gate]

What’s pOm

[hot yoke]

Every playstyle but mine is bad

[dusty gate]

I have to force builds

That’s what makes me want to do runs

[hot yoke]

Everyone sensible does

[sterile solar]

I cant do that, I cant mess with the fates

Except rerolls of course

[hot yoke]

The Fates mess with you tho

[dusty gate]

Maybe certain weapons don’t really need it

[sterile solar]

Fates dont mind rerolls

[dusty gate]

But I like bow and shield

[sterile solar]

I've only used God keepsakes to level them up

[hot yoke]

It's playstyle dependent

Not weapon

[dusty gate]

I mean

[hot yoke]

Dio just plays wrong

[sterile solar]

I do

[dusty gate]

I can’t think of anything that synergizes as well with spear

[sterile solar]

I suck at this game

[dusty gate]

As say lighting on machine gun

[sterile solar]

I have fun though, thats what matters

[hot yoke]

No you have to play like me

[faint umbra]

a late reminder to keep this channel spoiler free for the newer players

[dusty gate]

I like that once you clear once

[sterile solar]

But you dont like survival rooms

[leaden whale]

What's the Hades Test Branch?

[dusty gate]

They still reward you for partial clears

[leaden whale]

It came with my game, and I have no idea what it is

[dusty gate]

They don’t force you to be consistent right away

Which is nice becUse I want to try new things

[sterile solar]

Yes

[hot yoke]

You can still try new things even at higher ||heat||

[dusty gate]

Iphone, why on earth are you autocorrecting because to becUse

[hot yoke]

Typing habits👀

[dusty gate]

Yeah the ||bounties|| keep going up

It’s a good system

[sterile solar]

||up to 20||

[faint umbra]

the test branch was for the blood price update, and its irrelevant now

[hot yoke]

Why you faster

[leaden whale]

Thank you

[static anvil]

Hahaha hahaha ||got two athena boons and neither of them gave me a death defiance replenish and now I have 16 health and still looking for Cerberus' food|| my luck is so bad I'm ready to end it all :>

[hot yoke]

Dash is only boon athena has

[dusty gate]

Ouch

[hot yoke]

Change my mind

[dusty gate]

Refill deaths is good

[sterile solar]

Dash is only athena boon that matters

[dusty gate]

Easier to get from Patroclus tho

[hot yoke]

Not quite

[dusty gate]

If I don’t roll dash I usually take cast

[hot yoke]

Getting Athena is technically more consistent

If she had other boons beside dash that is

[sterile solar]

You cant summon fallen warrior

[hot yoke]

[dusty gate]

I can’t imagine getting that specific roll on Athena is more consistent than just seeing patrocolos at all

[hot yoke]

It is

[dusty gate]

Especially at the point where you prolly need it

[hot yoke]

Her dd stuff shows up a lot

[scarlet crag]

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[static anvil]

Getting Athena is technically more consistent
You haven't met my runs then :>

[sterile solar]

Dash has a high chance of showing up as long as you dont have a dash equipped

[dusty gate]

If I don’t get dash I take cast

[sterile solar]

Pat is pure rng

[dusty gate]

So that’s relevant

[hot yoke]

I'd rather not

[dusty gate]

It’s decent enough if I need a deflect

[hot yoke]

If I'm not going for a cast build idk what cast I get lol

[dusty gate]

I’ve gotten great mileage out of it on melee runs

[hot yoke]

Well as long as it stucks

I'd rather hit people

[dusty gate]

I don’t really have anything planned for my casts most of the time

Throwing an Athena cast at a wizard and dashing in behind it has been really useful

[static anvil]

wot does this even mean

[dusty gate]

If I can’t get the dash

[sterile solar]

It means

[hot yoke]

[static anvil]

Next run imma just use Dionysis and hope Athena rngs her way into my life ;-;

[sterile solar]

Just use her keepsake

[static anvil]

I diddddddddddd

[dusty gate]

I always appreciate when I don’t have to do that

[hot yoke]

Athena usually appears for me lol

[static anvil]

But now boons are suddenly scarce ;-; sometimes I get like 1 per area

[dusty gate]

Like on shield I usually need to force ares and Dionysus

[hot yoke]

A later mirror talent will help you with that

[dusty gate]

I’ll force Athena on elysium if I have to but I hope for better rng

[static anvil]

Which one? I think I unlocked all Void

[hot yoke]

Dark foresight

Green one

[dusty gate]

Im not aware of a mirror boon that affects the frequency of boons appearing

I still need to get the last few tho

[hot yoke]

It increases frequency of golden laurels

[static anvil]

Ohhhhhh

[sterile solar]

Is a ||green talent||

[dusty gate]

That’s nice

[static anvil]

That one always confused me

[dusty gate]

What does it replace

[hot yoke]

Which makes Ressources lower
But run stuff more often

The epic boon talent

[sterile solar]

Olympian favod I belive

[dusty gate]

Oh

[sterile solar]

No the rare one

[dusty gate]

I like that one 😕

[hot yoke]

Worth it tho

I like the legendary/duo more

[sterile solar]

Rare not epic

[hot yoke]

Oh rare

Sry confused that

[sterile solar]

Epic is duos

[dusty gate]

The one that increases chances of duo/legendary?

[sterile solar]

No

[hot yoke]

You got em dio

[sterile solar]

Other

[hot yoke]

We are pro with words

[sterile solar]

The bestest

[dusty gate]

The one that generally increases rarity of boons?

[hot yoke]

Yep

[dusty gate]

Oh ok

That’s an easier pill to swallow but still rough

[hot yoke]

Eh

[static anvil]

But does 1% really do much? Or does it scale to like 10%?

[hot yoke]

With that it's pretty consistent having your build done by asphodel

It scales to 20%

[dusty gate]

It prolly goes up to a significant number

Yeah

Like mono Zeus requires so many boon drops

[hot yoke]

With the talent I mean

[dusty gate]

I’d likely use it for that for sure

[static anvil]

Oh oh

[hot yoke]

I use it all the time

Used the rarity a long time but that one just skyrocketed consistency for me

[static anvil]

Maybe I should ||beat Hades|| before I start whining about RNG 👁👄👁

[hot yoke]

The only rng hades has is in its dialogue

[static anvil]

Clearly am just bad then

[dusty gate]

Nah

It takes a while to get the stuff that makes runs consistent

[hot yoke]

Who cares about skill

It's about fun

[static anvil]

Yithhhhh

[dusty gate]

Early on there’s hella RNG

I still don’t have the ||rerolls|| yet and I really feel it

[static anvil]

Fun is ||entering a chamber and seeing Thanatos 🥺||

[hot yoke]

You have to aquire the means to control it

[dusty gate]

I still haven’t encountered him

Is there a prerequisite or something for that?

[hot yoke]

Oof

[static anvil]

:0 wot's the prerequisite for it?

[hot yoke]

🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲

[dusty gate]

Whee

[static anvil]

I reached ||Hades|| before I saw him for the first time

[dusty gate]

Which region is he the npc for

[static anvil]

Wait really?

He was all over for me

[hot yoke]

None

[sterile solar]

You need to reach 3rd chamber of elysium

[dusty gate]

Rally lol

[static anvil]

Ohhhhh

[sterile solar]

Before death can show up

[hot yoke]

He can appear everywhere

[dusty gate]

I have several clears and haven’t ever seen him

[trail oar]

What are the uses for ambrosia?

[sterile solar]

Then he can appear everywhere

[hot yoke]

Maxing out relationships

[sterile solar]

And ||companions||

[dusty gate]

And for parties

[trail oar]

Thanks!

[sterile solar]

^^^^

[hot yoke]

If you give characters enough nectar a locked heart will appear

[sterile solar]

Getting wasteeed

[dusty gate]

Lol

[static anvil]

Can't wait until spoiler bars are no longer anxiety-inducing 😎😎

[hot yoke]

After that you have to fulfill a quest

Then you can use ambrosia

[trail oar]

Oh so thats how

Thanks

[hot yoke]

Best of success my man

[sterile solar]

Best of luck he meant

Don't mind him

[dusty gate]

What’s the equivalent of rngesus in Greek mythology

[sterile solar]

The fates

[dusty gate]

Damn you fates

[harsh leaf]

At least they give you some nifty dice

[dusty gate]

Wait they’re already in hell

[sterile solar]

Do they? What if thats part of the fate

[mental widget]

Fates cute

[dusty gate]

I’m missing like four trinkets

I guess they are one of them

[leaden whale]

Aren't those fates more deterministic than possibikity&probability

[dusty gate]

How do you encounter them?

[sterile solar]

You dont

The are only mentioned in the game

[dusty gate]

Two are Patroclus and Thanatos

Not sure what the fourth is

Oh

How do you get the dice then

[sterile solar]

I'm guessing is a spoiler so I won't say

From the mirror

[dusty gate]

Ty

[sterile solar]

||the fates are nyx's daughters||

[mental widget]

Mhh you gotta grind a lot of nectar to max out relationships tho me thinks

[dusty gate]

I also have none of the stuff on the bottom row, I’m guessing those are ||companions||

[sterile solar]

Yes

[dusty gate]

Ty

[mental widget]

Sad

[dusty gate]

I have no interest in getting those lol

[sterile solar]

Well they help a lot

[dusty gate]

Really

Don’t they take up your trinket slot?

[sterile solar]

No

[mental widget]

I don't wanna grind but I want to see the dialogue...

[dusty gate]

Oh

So they’re just straight additional power?

[sterile solar]

They have their separate slot

[dusty gate]

I guess I’d better get at least one lol

[sterile solar]

Yes

[topaz dagger]

I forget to use them,the one from Bouldy is awesome tho +150 gold ect

[sterile solar]

Shh

Spoiler tag

[dusty gate]

Yeesh that’s good

[topaz dagger]

oops

[mental widget]

Ban Wicked

[sterile solar]

Hammer

Daedalus

[mental widget]

Daddylus?

[static anvil]

What are good daedalus upgrades for the shield?

[pulsar frigate]

sudden rush or minotaur rush

[static anvil]

<.<

[pulsar frigate]

charged flight on shield4

[static anvil]

Imma pretend I know what those are 😎😎

[pulsar frigate]

pulverizing blow or dashing wallop for attack builds

[static anvil]

Tyty

[dusty gate]

I really like the one that gives a power attack

Also if you’re using ||the aspect that gives multiple shield throws after a shield rush|| things like shield throw speed are great

Extra special hits to spread hangover etc

Shield was my first clear, it’s prolly my favorite

[mental widget]

Flying shield go brrrrr

[topaz dagger]

Charged shot will change the playstyle completely but is immensly powerfull.. double base dmg

[static anvil]

Are the reduced damage boons good? compared to like crush shot (weakness cast)

I feel like if you got the chance to level it up to a good amount it would be good 🤔

[topaz dagger]

some are more usefull than u might think, trap dmg reduction ect.

[mental widget]

Imagine walking into traps in 2020

[static anvil]

I got the 13% damage reduction cuz it was rare

[frosty basin]

they are much better than straight health increases

or something I haven't done the math

[topaz dagger]

o_Oi disagree

[frosty basin]

Actually I shall correct myself on that, at lower HP values +centaur hearts wins

at higher HP values Bronze Skin, Different League etc becomes stronger

probably

[cursive prism]

Well yes, bronze skin is like adding another 10% to your current HP value

[frosty basin]

Also you can laugh at Sure Footing's existence but Athena will have the last laugh when ||you turn on Heightened Security||

[cursive prism]

or whatever the reduction is

But is there a difference between different league and bronze skin, or does two gods just have the same boon?

[frosty basin]

The wording on Different League is that it resists damage from nearby foes

[topaz dagger]

depends on the hits u take, vs large hits, dmg red is good. But most of those hits are easy to avoid i general

[cursive prism]

It's worded slightly differently so it's difficult to be sure

[frosty basin]

honestly I have no idea about what constitutes as a nearby foe, obviously anything within melee range counts but what about enemy ranged attacks at different ranges

[mental widget]

Isn't there a Daddylus upgrade for the Bow that gives bonus dmg against nearby enemies?

[frosty basin]

yes

[cursive prism]

Also my favorite thing with the shield is getting the piercing shot with power rush, it deals bonkers levels of damage

you're now a blocking bow

[frosty basin]

doesn't tell us what game thinks nearby is since the sample size is 1

or at least, doesn't tell me

[topaz dagger]

yeah charged shot is insane

[mental widget]

True

[topaz dagger]

and I actually like the playstyle better

[frosty basin]

I can theoretically dodge every single attacks redacted throws at me but it's a bit more complicated in reality

[cursive prism]

Just dont get hit

[frosty basin]

better if I have Divine Dash and I don't always have that

[sterile solar]

Yeah lol, you can win the fight without taking damage, but it takes practice

[frosty basin]

I no-damaged redacted like once thus far

that was with rail

I can confidently say I got fairly adept at not losing DDs to ||non-EM|| redacted

[mental widget]

Aren't all dashes bestowed by the gods divine dashes...

[frosty basin]

technically true but for the sake of the game I'm referring to Athena's dash

Her skills are prefixed with Divine -

[mental widget]

That was the joke

[frosty basin]

i know

[mental widget]

Nevermind I'll just go sob in a corner or smth

[frosty basin]

[mental widget]

[static anvil]

stares

I finally got a good build heading into Elysium

[cursive prism]

I still get hit a few times by redacted due to greed if nothing else, but generally I seem to be able to save my death defiances at this point

[static anvil]

:0 am jealous

[mental widget]

Good luck Egg!

[cursive prism]

Go egg!

[mental widget]

May the fates be merciful

🙏

[cursive prism]

Show those exalted greatshields whos boss

[static anvil]

I'm stuck between choosing Dionysus keepsake or another

I hab Poseidons dash, Zeus' Cast, Ares' special

[mental widget]

@sterile solar go advertise yourself

[static anvil]

Yith dionysus is always my goto but I wondered if there was anyone else I should keep in mind

[mental widget]

I'd love to give advice but I have no idea what I'm doing

[candid nimbus]

depends what you want to see, deflect? hunting down a crit build, artemis?

[static anvil]

Honestly I dunno wot I want other than Damage over time

[candid nimbus]

All the Gods are pretty solid though, so you really can just keep going with Dio keepsake lol

damage over time is a bit iffy with slower weapons at least

but can work if you're good, which I'm not

[static anvil]

I get antsy when I realize I don't do enough damage ;-; and that's where I tend to get greedy and get hit

So dashes are always my fave

[candid nimbus]

I mean, what's 'not enough damage'

[frosty basin]

single target weapons like rail without Zeus boons will seem fairly slow at clearing chambers

but murders a boss

so who knows

[static anvil]

Like I avoided the melee weapons (fists and sword) cuz I am awful going up close, not enough damage would mean like.... I'm getting my butt handed to me and the third bosses still have 3/4 health

[frosty basin]

ah

[cursive prism]

Yeah going ranged weapons before you've nailed down what the foes do is a pretty good strat

[frosty basin]

Well it does depend on if you are actively dodging the boss too or you are just getting hit constantly

Theseus can chunk you for like what 20 damage per hit with his spear throw for example

[mental widget]

but murders a boss
did someone say m u r d e r

[candid nimbus]

Asterius can get some nice wombo combo on you too

[frosty basin]

If you neglected taking Centaur Hearts it can easily be less than 5 hits before you lose a DD (assuming non maxed Thick Skin talent)

that's not taking Asterius' swings into account

[static anvil]

Maybe I should put boons aside and build up the boons I have (alongside getting centaur hearts)

[frosty basin]

Do you have the boon codex

because you will be using that a lot

[static anvil]

Yeah going ranged weapons before you've nailed down what the foes do is a pretty good strat
I know wot they do I just....suck

:0 I dun think I have it but I'll check once I pick this keepsake

[frosty basin]

Press C, go to Olympian tab, press B

if you bought it from the contractor it should be available to you

[static anvil]

stares in switch oh oh I haven't gotten the option to buy it yet

[frosty basin]

I'd say for the most power you'd want to build towards legendaries and/or duos depending on build

rather than picking boons at random

Even if you didn't get the legendaries/duos you want (it's rng it happens) at least your build should still have some sense of coherence/synergy

[candid nimbus]

Even then, totally relying on legendaries and duos can get you into some trouble, know where your current boons excel and how you play is good

[static anvil]

;-; my rng doesn't allow me to make proper builds yet

I usually focus on building towards doom and hangover

[candid nimbus]

Happens, rng is mean

[frosty basin]

It's really down to checking the codex often

if RNG is mean you improvise

[candid nimbus]

Yeah some pre-reqs are pretty important

or at least very useful

[static anvil]

Whenever I get the option to buy that I shalllllll

[cursive prism]

Doing a "run-away" doom build for your first time is legit enough, can get you pretty far. Even if it will be relatively slow

[frosty basin]

In fact it's more fun to improvise with the gods you have rather than say picking Zeus keepsake for rail everytime

imo anyway

[candid nimbus]

Learning build intuition and how things work via experimentation is fun

[cursive prism]

Yeah I almost never use the god keepsakes, I just wanna use what the game throws at me

[candid nimbus]

frustrating, but really feels good once things click

[frosty basin]

even if Zeus attack on rail is like incredibly strong and only gets better with his passives

[mental widget]

Zeus stronk

Although I just pick doom no matter what lol

[static anvil]

The good news is I've beaten the ||three bosses|| with most of the weapons other than fists and sword

[supple linden]

but egg

the fists are the best weapon

[static anvil]

Poseidons dash is pretty OP tho

[mental widget]

Congrats! 🎉

[frosty basin]

[supple linden]

why shoot or poke when you can just punch meg

[static anvil]

Can I use the fists while social distancing??????

[candid nimbus]

why not all the above?

[frosty basin]

Long Knuckle

[supple linden]

yes

[frosty basin]

[supple linden]

just grab the hammer upgrade

[static anvil]

:0

Welp I know my weapon for the next run

That sword is gonna gather dust until it can go long-range

[supple linden]

pro tip for fists

[candid nimbus]

cast builds are pretty cool too though

[cursive prism]

Tbh, I find the sword pretty underpowered compared to the other weapons

Might just be me being a bit derp though

[frosty basin]

sword is fun but hardest to use ngl

[supple linden]

||boons that benefit fast attacking are great for first. Zeus for a safe bet, Demeter + 10 stacks = explosion for a powerful one||

[topaz dagger]

the sword enables awesome cast builds

[frosty basin]

Or just pure melee (no ranged special) in general

So it's totally fine if you find yourself gravitating towards shield/bow/rail

[cursive prism]

The fists are fine because they can infinite combo enemies pretty easily and the dash attack is super easy to use in general

[candid nimbus]

fist can lead you into overcommitting attacks though

[supple linden]

Imma be perfectly honest

Cast is always a bit underwhelming for me

It CAN be good, but it requires a very specific set up

[frosty basin]

Outside of applying Boiling Blood I basically ignore cast when my weapon has any sort of range

or if it's an alternate setup like Hera, hidden shield

[mental widget]

Cast is always a bit underwhelming for me
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave

[supple linden]

where as special or attack can end up being good by just picking stuff up

[cursive prism]

at worst, cast is a damage buff for your main damage. At best though it's pretty amazing

[topaz dagger]

damn boi..u do need alot to get them going, but are no doubt the most powerfull and fun builds ive tried imo

[supple linden]

like I do admit, a properly set up ||Demeter|| cast build can be powerful

[cursive prism]

Unless you go with the slow/damage down in the mirror, which is pretty legit as well if you're learning/new to the game

[candid nimbus]

Pos/||Dem|| duo is pretty .... disgusting sometimes

[supple linden]

but that requires like. four ||demeter|| boons and two duo boons

[frosty basin]

I had Demeter cast + Mirage Cast + Crystal Clarity once while I wasn't focusing on a cast build

[supple linden]

er

technically ||demeter|| is a spoiler

[cursive prism]

I had Zeus/Dionysis/||Demeter|| duos, that was pretty fun

[frosty basin]

..it is but I'd say it's both rather minor in the grand scheme of things + after satisfying the requirement to make her appear you will see her very often

[supple linden]

I mean its unlocked after styx

which means it's a spoiler

[candid nimbus]

I mean, I was pleasantly surprised

[supple linden]

i don't really think any one person can judge if a spoiler is a major one or not

some people really don't like being told anything

[frosty basin]

understandable, though reportedly for this channel the spoiler-worthy stuff are behind first win

so Styx is almost fair game

don't quote me on this though

[supple linden]

Anything beyond styx is considerd a spoiler

[frosty basin]

really? whoops

[supple linden]

which is why [REDACTED] is a spoiler

[frosty basin]

[candid nimbus]

That one is a more minor one however

[frosty basin]

I mean I get redacted

[candid nimbus]

not the most enforced

but you have a point

[supple linden]

i understand it's minor but I like to be considerate. I had someone get mad at me once for mentioning a feature added with a DLC once

[frosty basin]

I think you came across the exception, Minuet, not the rule

but anyway

[static anvil]

Wouldn't ||Thanatos|| be a technical spoiler since he's random?

Like really random?

I didn't get him until I got ||Demeter||

[supple linden]

my point is it's better to be considerate

[frosty basin]

understandable

[supple linden]

I'd say no

||Thanatos|| can appear on the employee of the month board at any time

[static anvil]

Righttttt

[candid nimbus]

I believe he is mentioned by other peeps

[static anvil]

Forgottt

[frosty basin]

Honestly when I was playing Hades pre-1.0 ||Than|| actually spooked me, in the sense of 'wait he exists'

[topaz dagger]

imo, anything theat is on the FRONT page of the wiki, shouldnt be a spoiler ^^

[supple linden]

imo, you shouldn't be going to a wiki if you don't want to be spoiled

[frosty basin]

Eh, even that's debatable since you don't really need to go to the wiki anymore when boon codex is ingame now

and what Minuet said

it's spoiler rich environment

[candid nimbus]

but the missing hammer page!

[supple linden]

so using the wiki as a bar for what is and is not a spoiler isn't very fair

[frosty basin]

I think this discussion should be moved to #h1-discussion

[topaz dagger]

the front page...

evenin caps

[static anvil]

I BEAT ||THESEUS AND ASTERIUS|| AND I STILL HAVE 3 DEATH DEFIANCES LEFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

RNG I SWEAR IF YOU FAIL ME I WILL SCREAM

[cursive prism]

Believe!

[dusty gate]

You’re in damn good shape

[static anvil]

;-; now I need that bloody sack and high HP

[cursive prism]

Believe in Styx and not facing ||King Vermin||

[static anvil]

I really hope I never meet them ;-;

[cursive prism]

Yeah, the game is a little mean when it tosses that one at you

[frosty basin]

It gets better after you die to ||king vermin|| a few times )))

Or more realistically lose a DD or two

[static anvil]

I've never had to face them....I swear if this time I have to go against them

[frosty basin]

Gotta learn the patterns first

[cursive prism]

They may not be unlocked before you clear, not sure though

[static anvil]

They aren't in the rooms with the upped difficulty?

[frosty basin]

Just avoid the chambers marked with skulls

[static anvil]

Ye I have been

[frosty basin]

They are

Unfortunate if the boons/items you want are in those chambers though

Reportedly chances for sack is higher in those chambers too but I can't confirm this

[static anvil]

||when the rats shake themselves right where the cure pool is||

Reportedly chances for sack is higher in those chambers too but I can't confirm this
My anxiety has officially hit the ceiling

I GOT THE SATYR SACKKKKK

[frosty basin]

[static anvil]

APHRODITE I LOVE YOUUUU

[frosty basin]

Now prep yourself for the final showdown

Ah yes I foresee another Aphro simp, as the Fates have foreseen in ages past

[static anvil]

Sadly nuo ;-;

[frosty basin]

ahem

[candid nimbus]

[static anvil]

Am a ||Achilles and Thanatos|| simp ;-;

The latter is totally not the entire reason I bought the game

I swear if I mess up and die here

[frosty basin]

That's okay

||There is no escape either way||

ahem

[static anvil]

Going in with 173 health last time I had like 50 and made it to his ||second phase|| before biting dust

I got thisssss

See you guys on the other side ||aka right back in Tartarus||

[candid nimbus]

Nah you got this

[frosty basin]

ganbatte

[static anvil]

Okayyyy

||second phase|| three lives :}

Totally not crying inside

[candid nimbus]

ezpz you got this 👍

[cursive prism]

Yeah, believe

[static anvil]

I THINK I JUST DID ITTTTTTT

I THINKKK

||omge what if he has a third phase guizz ;-;||

[pulsar frigate]

[static anvil]

Now to finally start da game

omg my controller started drifting

[supple linden]

hey so i keep seeing ||king vermin|| mentioned ||is that the giant rat mini-boss, like the giant satyr and giant pot? or is it a separate thing sorta like tiny vermin?||

[candid nimbus]

||We don't judge books by their covers, tiny vermin is a king||

The other one is obviously the butler

(I actually don't know xD, need to check codex tbh)

[night geode]

Nope, it's unique encounter there

Like it has a boss health bar

[cursive prism]

||There's an encounter with an armored purple snake statue in Styx that appears, that can randomly be replaced with King Vermin||

[supple linden]

||alright so king vermin is tiny vermin got it. only ever found them once||

[cursive prism]

No actual story spoiler, moreso the game decides to be a meanie sometimes there

[stone quiver]

Can anyone explain fishing? What is this perfect catch?

[cursive prism]

Because not like it increases the reward or anything >_>

[supple linden]

reel it in within .34 seconds of the bobber going down

[night geode]

Yep

The faster you reel the better your chances of getting a rare fish

[supple linden]

I swear though the timing is weird

[stone quiver]

Is projelly a rare?

How do you tell really I suppose, is my next question

[supple linden]

my average reaction time is .25 seconds yet i've never gotten a perfect catch

[night geode]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing

[violet scroll]

i just got this game a few days ago,, i just wanted to ask about the dash-strike. does anyone have any tips about that because for some reason even though I hit attack right after i dash it doesnt do the Thing™️

[harsh leaf]

Your average reaction time isnt .25 then

[supple linden]

Two separate reaction time tests have said .25

[harsh leaf]

Try not looking directly at the bait, instead looking slightly above it, and reacting to the light instead

[supple linden]

My current strategy is closing my eyes and listening for the sound

[static anvil]

Aww poor baby

Ack sooreh

[harsh leaf]

i just got this game a few days ago,, i just wanted to ask about the dash-strike. does anyone have any tips about that because for some reason even though I hit attack right after i dash it doesnt do the Thing™️
@violet scroll Hit the button immediately after you press the dash button, not after you actually dash

[supple linden]

@violet scroll check with skelly. a dash strike doesn't really look like much

if the ability gets crossed off then that means you did it

[violet scroll]

@harsh leaf ahh that helps, thank you!

[night geode]

Yeah there's multiple ways to get the fishing timing down, the sound, the flash, the vibration

[supple linden]

vibration?

never felt my keyboard vibrate but maybe itll happen eventually

[harsh leaf]

Controller

[supple linden]

||it joke||

[harsh leaf]

Also, remember that it will only fake you out three times at most, so the fourth bob is always a bite

[supple linden]

the biggest problem i encounter in fishing is if it activates first bob.

i am not mentally prepared at that point

[harsh leaf]

So.... your reaction time isnt as good as you thought? 😛

[stone quiver]

Okay I have no legendaries

Gotta work on this lol

[dusty gate]

@violet scroll do you know how to p-link?

The same thing works here

[harsh leaf]

All legendaries have prerequisite boons, Arge6

Check the codex for each

[dusty gate]

I also think you can hold the attack button and then hit dash

[static anvil]

Don't tell me how I unlock it but ||I can't wait till I unlock fishing 🥺||

[violet scroll]

@dusty gate p-link?

[dusty gate]

You need a level 100 machamp

With strength

It’s when you press two buttons right after another

You roll your finger over the buttons so that you’re pressing the second as you’re letting go of the first

One fluid motion

[violet scroll]

i did not know that was a thing! ty

[dusty gate]

I also think if you hold attack and hit dash you’ll get a dash attack when the dash recovers

[harsh leaf]

plinking is.... a very specific term from fighting games that isnt EXACTLY that, but close enough

[violet scroll]

i see..

i dont play many fighting games this is kinda my first roguelike so yeah. i got it bc trailer epic and i like greek myths

[harsh leaf]

You can totally press attack and dash at the same time for a dash attack too

[dusty gate]

With fists I hold the attack button and just dash around

[violet scroll]

good to know

[dusty gate]

It gives me dash attack into normal attack chain, pretty good

[cursive prism]

Yeah that's fists 101 it seems

[dusty gate]

Same thing with machine gun too now that I think about it

Although I don’t think that has a dash attack

Actually I do hit special when I can on that, nm

[sterile solar]

Rail does have a dash strike

[dusty gate]

Fist’s special attack seems bad, but maybe I’m missing something

[violet scroll]

machine... gun?

[sterile solar]

Uh oh

Lmfao

Spoilers

[violet scroll]

MACHINE GUN?

[dusty gate]

Machine gun is in the trailers

[cursive prism]

Rail dash strike is a straight up dps increase always afaik

[sterile solar]

^

[violet scroll]

i think i missed that.

[dusty gate]

Well that’s good to know lol

I can’t think of what the animation looks like

[violet scroll]

welp. thanks for the help. time to go die to the hydra again

[harsh leaf]

I can’t think of what the animation looks like
@dusty gate It's just a normal attack with higher rate of fire

Play around with it and you can clearly tell the first few shots of a dash attack are faster than regular fire

[dusty gate]

Yeah I’ll look at it more closely

I was on a roll with my machine gun Zeus build with seeking shot

Until I ||took charon’s coin bag||

I had no idea that would happen lol

[harsh leaf]

Now you know

And knowing is half the battle!

But the other half is still violence

[dusty gate]

Lol

[static anvil]

What's a good God with the fists?

[dusty gate]

Zeus

Lightning bolt on every swing