h1-for-new-players

[gray haven]

They've made changes like that before for the codex and stuff, but they can't predict every possible way you might end up not getting the conversation. So a F10 would probably help them.

Could also try updating to the tech-branch because that has all the latest fixes. So maybe it has a fix for this one. No idea.

• Fixed issues preventing certain story events and voice lines from playing for some characters
  Might be worth a try.

[lapis knoll]

I shall try that!

[gray haven]

Good luck!

[lapis knoll]

So... lmao

I now have a Spikey ! on Achiles

[gray haven]

In the tech branch or before updating? lol

[lapis knoll]

No branch update, just went into a run died came out he was in the room and I got it

Coincidence or are they watching me

[gray haven]

You could still F10 it just to let them know there was an issue with it taking forever to show up.

[lapis knoll]

I am writing the bug report now 🙂

[gray haven]

👍🏽

I think you're normally supposed to get it within the first 5-or-so runs. That's probably the intended outcome.

[eternal yarrow]

Is there anywhere I can check out builds or like what boons/keepsakes etc to go for with each weapon

[gray haven]

Yeah, there's a pinned guide.

[eternal yarrow]

Oh that's huge, thank you

[gray haven]

Hope it helps!

[bright scroll]

I purchased the game yesterday and already have 7.2hrs playtime... Help!

[leaden whale]

Exit wounds" -> ur foes take damage when blood is dislodged. Is it per blood?

Cos I have 6 casts now with Aspect of posedion and flood shot xD

[pastel cipher]

yes

[leaden whale]

oooouf

this is the most OP run ive had so far

7 casts exit wounds flood shot aspect of posedion

[quaint nebula]

I only have 2 hours

As I haven't been feeling great enough to play it

I wish I could enjoy it like everyone else does

[wide shore]

let’s hope you feel better soon 🙂 not just to play and enjoy the game but in general 😉 the game’s not going anywhere anytime soon either

[dense laurel]

if u dont enjoy it its fine

[leaden whale]

||how do I get reroll option on boons??||

[lyric forge]

Mirror upgrade.

The last one, red side lets you reroll doors, green side boons and wells. Very expensive though.

[leaden whale]

ofc..

[sullen pier]

do I have to ||do all of the paths to get the thing for cerberus in styx?||

[candid nimbus]

Never the first, it's randomly given to you at path 2-5

So just gotta get lucky

[sullen pier]

damn

well there's no way I'm making it with this build anyways

[candid nimbus]

By first 1-5 I mean the order you pick not the location also

[sullen pier]

I found it on the second one

also, this hermes boon is 500, does that mean it's better or is it 500 just because?

[candid nimbus]

Hermes boons are pretty good, so that's the cost, but I think it has decent rarity chance too?

[rich tendon]

i also wonder that myself.

Hermes has very good passive buffs.

[sullen pier]

well, I'll grab it since the alternatives are poms and I don't really have any boons that will benefit

I got 2 rares and an epic

so I think it's better boons

time to die

well I got half way with one res and a crappy build

But I imagine the second half was harder

[leaden whale]

||why cant i gift mom||

[faint umbra]

Keep playing

[gloomy zinc]

is there somewhere that's got a few different controller keybinds laid out?

default ones feel wonky but i'm not sure what i want to move where

[sullen pier]

if anyone cares, that 500 gold hermes boon gave me special dialogue that called him ||his associate|| and gives me ||new text with charon||

[half ivy]

Pretty sure the expensive ones have boosted rarity (can't get common)

[boreal gale]

why is it some runs ||hades only put out 1-2 skulls at a time and other runs he just spams 4-5|| ?

[ruby bay]

hello, i am wondering what is the recommended ||aspect ||for your first clear. I tried out ||aspect of zagreus|| in another savefile and it felt really bad

[candid nimbus]

Can clear with any ||aspect|| really, comes down to what works best for your playstyle

Especially when you have small amounts of blood

[ruby bay]

cus i heard a lot of people say ||chaos for shield|| got nerfed really hard so i am hesitant to taking it

[candid nimbus]

Chaos is fine, it's just best at max

[ruby bay]

yea i am using my first few amounts of blood

[candid nimbus]

What weapon do you like best?

[ruby bay]

hmm, i like spear and sword the most i think, but i basically enjoy all of them

[candid nimbus]

I know Nemesis sword is pretty good, Hades spear is nice too

Uh there's a titan blood trick if you want to test stuff out holdon

[ruby bay]

yea i think imma use ||nemesis ||after all

[candid nimbus]

Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing

[ruby bay]

ah ok, what i kept doing was spend my blood, test it on skelly and then leave

i guess imma take nemesis, but i don't like the button mashing about it

[candid nimbus]

Hm, Hera bow is fine with 1st unlock

[ruby bay]

maybe i should collect more blood first, already spent some ||ambrosia ||to get more blood

[candid nimbus]

Careful with Ambrosia spending, it's useful later

Should be fine though

[ruby bay]

yea i know, it's only two or so of them that i spent

i had another save on hell mode where i almost won with base weapons multiple times

and then i decided to play on normal to actually get the unlocks quicker

[candid nimbus]

Ah I see

but it's possible to clear with Zag, no blood spent

Aspects tend to just be a different playstyle for the weapon

[ruby bay]

idk i feel zag is generally way worse, cus it almost never gives dmg bonuses

i felt barely any difference on zag sword

apart from the move speed

tho i guess unlocking all mirror parts helps runs a lot

[candid nimbus]

I guess Zag aspect gets that vibe because it only enhances the initial playstyle

So the 'fancier' aspects seem better

but they're all fairly good

Zag bow has innate crit, Zag fist has innate dodge

[dense laurel]

those bonuses can be replicated rather than the useful features of the aspects

its like comparing a good hammer and a good boon

[wise mica]

this is kinda wierd question, do the conditions for demeter's boon Ravenous Will trigger when you have all your cast stones loaded in an aspect of Hera bow

I technically have 0/3 on my screen

[candid nimbus]

I thought so... but haven't tested

[sullen pier]

man I suck at fishing

[candid nimbus]

too early or too late?

[gray bobcat]

any advice for someone struggling to clear first fun?

i feel like when i hit the minataur boss i do 0 damage

and the boons dont particularly help with that

[candid nimbus]

Hmm their healthpools are sorta big

[sullen pier]

both

[candid nimbus]

Getting mirror upgraded will help with damage

[sullen pier]

do I have to hit it when it sinks?

[candid nimbus]

So when the light pops up is when you need to grab it quick

[sullen pier]

okok, ty

[candid nimbus]

There's a light/vibration?/sound que, I use the light

[sullen pier]

the fishing spots are rare right?

[candid nimbus]

Also the fishing rod will fakeout at most 3 times. So if it fakes 3, the next down will be a fish

[sullen pier]

nice, ty

[candid nimbus]

Fishing spots have chance to spawn, then have to wait until at least 10 rooms

for anothe to spawn

[sullen pier]

well time for theseus and minotaur

you only get 1 ||ambrosia||, just like titan blood?

like it works the same way?

[candid nimbus]

Yeah until you full clear

[flint eagle]

good evening

what's new here?

[candid nimbus]

Just another day in the Underworld

[flint eagle]

day or night*

wait is there are different variations of duo dialogues?

or they changed Artemida/Aphro?

[sullen pier]

man why did the fourth boss ||have a second phase||

[flint eagle]

cus it's fun)

[south grove]

wait is there are different variations of duo dialogues?
Yes, there are

[flint eagle]

@south grove thx

[leaden whale]

maxed the chiron aspect

lets gooo

[flint eagle]

try dio with it

[leaden whale]

aphrodite on attack and dionysus on special for chiron bow with the duo boon between them is super fun

[flint eagle]

@leaden whale u can swap aphro for ares

good too

[daring oracle]

I did Poseidon on Special. Knocking back enemies into walls 7 or 11 times in a row did massive damage

Especially when you increase the damage for doing that or adding rupture

But I agree with Ares’ Doom on attack

[flint eagle]

@daring oracle it's not about ares mostly it's about their duo

same about aphro

[daring oracle]

What do their duos do?

[flint eagle]

ares dio poison ticking faster

aphro di poison stacking more against weak

it would be good to have both

but it's not that easy

cus u always want aphro for attack

to proc weak easy

and dio for special

so ares can be only revenge boon

[ember citrus]

I like Ares Atemis

[flint eagle]

lol hb op

[ember citrus]

Blade follow enemy

[flint eagle]

even now

[ember citrus]

That and a heavy Ares build, make blade go brrr rbrrr

[flint eagle]

@ember citrus imagine HB with both legendaries

and 2 ares t2 boons for blades

[ember citrus]

[flint eagle]

redacted*

[daring oracle]

@ember citrus please spoiler out the name in this channel

[mental pawn]

Can you attack from behind with the gun special?

[flint eagle]

@mental pawn u mean backstab?

[mental pawn]

Yes stuff that boosts damage

[flint eagle]

nope it's not

just watched my video with it

no anybackstab even with rocket special

[daring oracle]

Really? That’s mean of the game about the rocket one

[leaden whale]

kinda bummed rockets don't backstab, but maybe that'd make them too good

[potent merlin]

Yeah I don’t think an AOE is going to trigger a backstab. That’s a little OP.

[mild mist]

ah yes

An explosion that backstabs

le spy

[flint eagle]

sneaky explosion yes

[leaden whale]

well technically if the centre is on the back so it should work 🥴

[flint eagle]

nope

[sterile solar]

Haha backstabbing explosion go brr

[restive jay]

Holy moly, I finally have a holiday, and with that time to play. I decided to try out the last update I had installed before going to v1.0. That was v0.22141, the Superstar update, the first one to contain all biomes. So I saw the final biome and battle for the first time. Didn't beat it, but oh boy am I hyped for v1.0 now 😄

[sterile solar]

Same

I left a run midway last time I played before 1.0

So when I came back after to finished my run, and saw all the new stuff

[restive jay]

Did you have the luck of directly meeting the singer? Calling her that because that moment gave me such strong Singer vibes from Bastion 😄

[ivory ocean]

oh yes that was so good. oh the bastion parallels

[tight cedar]

i played for a bit before 1.0 but never really knew what i was doing

was aimlessly wondering around and taking whatever boon was thrown at me for 11hours

stopped playing for some months then heard 1.0 dropped so i started playing again

[flint eagle]

@tight cedar now i'm playing 1.0 and i still dont know what am i doing(

[tight cedar]

damn it be like that

: (

[flint eagle]

I JUST WANTED HUNTING BLADES

[pulsar frigate]

@ivory ocean

[ivory ocean]

thanks for alerting me to that

[pulsar frigate]

👍

[candid nimbus]

[wise mica]

just did my first run with approval process on, holy smokes was that annoying missed out on two duos and a legendary

[candid nimbus]

Yeah it's pretty mean

[cosmic willow]

if i take a keepsake to meet a god but when it shows up and i don't go in the room what happens? is my guaranteed spawn still gonna happen or was that it?

[candid nimbus]

As long as your keepsake has the counter up it's fine

There should be a 1/I under it

It'll go away once its used up

[cosmic willow]

ok ty

how does rush delivery work with hyper sprint?

[serene beacon]

Hope this is the right place to ask and I'm going to be as vague as possible, but I just reached what I think might be the final boss (and died, but y'know), and I just wanted to ask whether we can continue raising character affections/their subplots after 'finishing' the game (I'm just assuming that's the end)? Is there post-game content where that'd be possible, or epilogues that would be affected by not doing those first? I basically don't want to accidentally lock myself out of content I'm still interested in doing;;

[flint eagle]

@serene beacon there is lot of things after u beat final boss

u will play

[ivory ocean]

you can continue the game after beating the final boss

[flint eagle]

more and more

[serene beacon]

Thanks so much, that's greatly reassuring! I look forward to that ^^

[dense ibex]

hi guys, I have a quick question

is Dionysus Aid good?

[flint eagle]

aid?

[dense ibex]

yea

the Call

[flint eagle]

iiii dont understand question

every god have a call

[dense ibex]

is the boon any good?

[flint eagle]

well I think Dio call is not greatest

[dense ibex]

like im thinking of picking it or the Strong Drink boon which makes fountains give full hp and +% damage

okay cause I normally like a Call that gives impervious

[flint eagle]

@dense ibex where are u now

[dense ibex]

elysium

[flint eagle]

i think it's too late for drink

[dense ibex]

hmmm

well im getting at least 2 fountains after this

after the fight with Theseus

and the one just before hades

[flint eagle]

@dense ibex and if u r lucky

u can find fountain chamber

if u unlocked it

[dense ibex]

oh hey

I just found one before theseus

[flint eagle]

well if choice is yours

[lavish gazelle]

The story basically only starts moving after your first clear

[flint eagle]

@lavish gazelle well yes and no

[green epoch]

What do you need to do to unlock ||hidden weapon aspects||? I got the one for ||Varatha||, but don't know how to get them for the rest.

[flint eagle]

@green epoch read pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion

[green epoch]

Ok thanks

[flint eagle]

np

[gray haven]

@dense ibex Dionysus' Aid is easily the best DPS call in the game.

[zenith token]

For the || fated prophecy || where Hermes wants me to || beat Charon 2 times consecutively without losing || does it mean I have to trigger ||Charon fights in back to back runs, or just don’t lose to him? Cuz Charon doesn’t always give me the opportunity to steal from him. And I just beat him once so far.||

Will I be able to fulfill this if I just don’t lose next time I get the chance?

[gray haven]

You'll want to use the Lesser Call any time it's up. Don't wait for Greater Call with Dionysus' Aid.

[boreal gale]

Aphrodite's greater call is very nice especially if you have the boon that gives 1% every second on top of normal damage building 2.5k is a huge hit

[candid nimbus]

Just gotta beat 'em twice after getting that. Can't lose

[odd forge]

For the || fated prophecy || where Hermes wants me to || beat Charon 2 times consecutively without losing || does it mean I have to trigger ||Charon fights in back to back runs, or just don’t lose to him? Cuz Charon doesn’t always give me the opportunity to steal from him. And I just beat him once so far.||

Will I be able to fulfill this if I just don’t lose next time I get the chance?
@zenith token IIRC, it's ||you just don't lose between wins|| is sufficient.

[zenith token]

Awesome thank you!

[wild stratus]

im at the point i have to renovate the lounge for medusa how much do i have to put into it?

[flint eagle]

@wild stratus just do it untill it helps

[dense ibex]

😮

lol

I've been watching some videos from Jawless Paul and he seemed to like Dionysis Aid, so thats why I was wondering

@gray haven

what makes it good against bosses?

it doesnt seem good

[flint eagle]

damage

i still prefer calls like athena or ares

invincibilty is great

[gray haven]

All calls give invincibility on activation.

That's all I need, personally.

[dense ibex]

does dionysus call charge really quickly?

causes it does a DoT to everyone for a small amount of time right?

[gray haven]

I don't think the damage of your call adds to your god gauge. No idea, though.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing

Dionysus' Aid just does the most damage, anyway.

[dense ibex]

ah okay

[gray haven]

Best DPS on single targets already, but it's an AOE that can hit everything within range with 5 stacks.

[bright scroll]

I haven't even finished a run or seen the final boss, and I'm already thinking about my next savefile 😄

[dense ibex]

lol

[bright scroll]

Great game. Well done!

[dense ibex]

why are you thinking about another savefile?

[bright scroll]

See how far I can get with less passive abilities

maybe hell mode eventually

[dense ibex]

hell mode is just pact of punishment early

[flint eagle]

@bright scroll u can just take all darkness back

and play without it

[bright scroll]

When I first started, I knew nothing. So would be nice to go from beginning again with a bit of knowledge 😛

Oh ya

[flint eagle]

or u talking about contractor?

[bright scroll]

Hmm just everything. I put all of that dark gem on just the gun

You know the gun upgrades

I wish I didn't!

[dense ibex]

there gun upgrades?

😮

I may have missed it

[bright scroll]

All weapons can have their own boon thing/passive

[dense ibex]

are you talking about titan blood?

[bright scroll]

Yea!

[dense ibex]

ooh okay

makes sense

[bright scroll]

Sorry, my memory is awful 😄

[dense ibex]

cause you said dark gem and i was thinking of the mirror upgrades

no worries

in that case it does kinda make sense to want to do another save file yea

for me I spread it out my weapon upgrades

I've been trying to complete a run with each weapon

I'm not very good at the gun so I saved it for last

[bright scroll]

Ohh the gun is amazing with the right boons!

I struggle with the fists, but will master it!

[dense ibex]

have you unlocked the minor prophecies yet?

[sterile solar]

Dio call does insane dmg

[dense ibex]

its a contractor thingy

[bright scroll]

Yeah

I did

[dense ibex]

if you want more Titan Blood, theres a prophecy where you just need to beat all the minibosses once

it gives 3

[bright scroll]

Oh nice

I had about 4 that I've spent, all on the gun 😐

[frank kelp]

how many ambrosia do I need to max out relationships?

wondering when I can start trading them for titan bloods.

[flint eagle]

@frank kelp when u have all characters bonds

[sterile solar]

is usually like 3 to 5 per character i think

except ||dusa, she takes like 15, but gives it all back at the end||

[dawn beacon]

1-3 per character, more for ||romanceable||

Olympians usually take just 1 in my experiences, house characters require more

[frank kelp]

gotcha, so it's fine for me to hang on to 20 of them at least

it's just like super nectar, you need lots of them

[sterile solar]

unless you want ||companions|| theres actually no benefit to gift ambrosia, purely cosmetic pretty much

[dawn beacon]

There’s also steam achievements

[sterile solar]

well, there's no benefit to that either

talking gameplay wise

[dawn beacon]

Gameplay wise there is character interaction and story if you value that

[candid nimbus]

I mean there are a few people who have more to their bonds

[sterile solar]

well thats not really gameplay, thats lore

[frank kelp]

as for keys, ||once weapons are all unlocked||, is there any use for them other than trading and resetting?

[sterile solar]

nope

thats it

[dawn beacon]

Nope, only trade or reset

[flint eagle]

@frank kelp only weapon and mirror unlocking mostly

but always keep 15 at least

[frank kelp]

for the daily deal

?

[flint eagle]

there are special trade sometimes

yeah

[sterile solar]

well theres ||decorative theme|| for like 200

[frank kelp]

yeah, nice to get random diamonds for keys. lol

[flint eagle]

blood

[frank kelp]

yeah, I'll hold on to them for that

[flint eagle]

not diamond

@sterile solar is there?

i didnt see

[sterile solar]

yes

[dawn beacon]

They unlock fairly lategame

[frank kelp]

also, how do I unlock ||resource director||?

[sterile solar]

end game

[flint eagle]

@frank kelp ||beat game 10 times iirc and after some runs u should have it||

[sterile solar]

also, how do I unlock ||resource director||?
if youre barely managing your ambrosia, you should ignore ||resource director||

[frank kelp]

oh, I think I've already done that but maybe just need to win more 😉

[flint eagle]

@frank kelp|| just check bedroom||mb u missed him

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY PERFECT CATCH IS ALWAYS KNUCKLEHEAD

[candid nimbus]

The fish... they are slipperly

[flint eagle]

i still need 2 fish to open

[sterile solar]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY PERFECT CATCH IS ALWAYS KNUCKLEHEAD
i felt this in my soul

i swear 90% of my my perfect catch are knuckleheads

[harsh leaf]

Is there a visual confirmation of perfect/late catch?

[candid nimbus]

IT says uptop

The banner that pops up

Wiki says 5% chance for that legendary

[harsh leaf]

Legit never noticed lulz

[candid nimbus]

Me neither, until someone mentioned lol

[flint eagle]

@harsh leaf https://playsector.ru/images/img/2020/04/08/playsectorru_20200408093326.jpg

[leaden whale]

Didn't even know there could be a fishing spot there

[sterile solar]

lol ||styx|| has a 80% fish chance

[flint eagle]

@leaden whale there are 5-6 points

and high chance if u clear all 5 roots

[leaden whale]

man I don't pay attention at all

[flint eagle]

in earlier version there are was bug when it spwans 2-3 times per run

[gusty atlas]

Hi all. Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but figured it was a place to start. Picked up the game a... week ago? Been enjoying it but man am I struggling. Trying to get my first clear. I've made it to styx w/ all weapons, and gotten killed by ||redacted|| a couple times in 70 runs. I've started to dig into the last 3 mirror upgrades, and unlocked a couple || weapon aspects || without || upgrading any||.

Probably am not good at figuring out what to do build-wise in the run, and also am not actually good at the whole dodging thing (especially while trying to do damage). So two big things working against me here. Any tips for making forward progress other than just "get better"?

[candid nimbus]

Learning attack patterns is a big one, what exactly is knocking you down?

[gusty atlas]

everything?

[flint eagle]

@gusty atlas if u feel u really stuck u can try godmode

[gusty atlas]

godmode is at ... 58%

[flint eagle]

wow

[candid nimbus]

Do you feel that you're doing enough damage, but dying?

[gusty atlas]

no

[candid nimbus]

Lets see then, what was your best run- weapon and boons?

[gusty atlas]

Lemme check

[leaden whale]

How do you normally progress in a run? What sorts of doors do you prioritize?

[harsh leaf]

Take more boons, take more damage boons, remember to always use your cast, dodge more

[sterile solar]

focus boons, until you feel you're strong enough

then feel free to grab health

thats how i do at least

[harsh leaf]

I usually take health if the other option is a pom or obol

[sterile solar]

yeah screw poms lol

i take obols early for golden touch

[tropic stump]

I just got my first win

[sterile solar]

i believe is called golden touch

[harsh leaf]

Poms can really help early on if you have a common boon for damage

[flint eagle]

i prefer gold early

not later

[tropic stump]

it was insane

[flint eagle]

@tropic stump now do that again

[sterile solar]

yeah i get it early to get some stacking golden touch

especially if its from chaos

ignore shops

[gusty atlas]

Okay, I think this run was the only time I got ||redacted|| into phase 2.

Stygian Blade
Aspect of Poseidon

Deadly Flourish 3
Exit Wounds 2
True SHot 2
Tidal Dash 2
Quick Reload
Heartbreaker Strike
Mirage SHot
Support Fire
Athena's Aid
Lunge
Deus Ex Machina
Flury Cast
Razor Shoals
Dash Nova
Hoardish Slash

[leaden whale]

Though if you're still not finishing at 70 runs with 58% god mode bonus, it definitely sounds like you'd do well to try and get better at fighting the enemies and bosses. If there's any problematic ones, practice against them. Instead of rushing to kill them, hang back and try to avoid the things they're doing, and spot the openings

[candid nimbus]

It looks like you had a decent build going

[gusty atlas]

I had 2 hp when he started phase 2

or 1

[candid nimbus]

Are you overcommitting when attacking?

[gusty atlas]

umm... There's no world in which that's not true?

[flint eagle]

@gusty atlas did u try another weapon not sword?

[gusty atlas]

yes

that was my closest

[flint eagle]

try rail special build for example or shield

[candid nimbus]

Using hit and run tactics might help, it looks like you know how to build

[gusty atlas]

shield's my worst

I don't think I've ever gotten to redacted on shield

[candid nimbus]

What keepsake are you rolling?

[gusty atlas]

90% of the time it's skelly unless I lose it to champions

[frigid galleon]

Shield probably easiest but only if you block. You may find blocking and dealing safe damage helps you learn the patterns.

[gusty atlas]

well, skelly by the time I get to styx

if I make it that far

[candid nimbus]

From what I gather your playstyle is a super aggressive one... If you can getting extra dashes and figuring out when an attack is about to happen should help?

[frigid galleon]

Shield also lets you reposition after blocking using bull rush.

[leaden whale]

You might fare well with the Bracer considering the amount you're getting hit. Lots of damage reduction when facetanking

[gusty atlas]

you assume I'm only getting hit in the face

[harsh leaf]

Yeah, perhaps press the attack button less often. Use more dash attacks instead, stay away a bit

[gusty atlas]

I haven't tried bracers, I'm not convinced I'm getting hit from the front

[harsh leaf]

Try to get a spear run with charged skewer

[candid nimbus]

Normal dashes have i-frames, while dash attacks don't

[harsh leaf]

Normal dashes have i-frames, while dash attacks don't
@candid nimbus Unless you have Athena's dash

[gusty atlas]

hmm, I did one with breaching skewer, not charged

[flint eagle]

@gusty atlas u can have both

[gusty atlas]

no I mean I didn't get it

I'm just looking through my log

either didn't get it or didn't pick it shrugs

[leaden whale]

Hourglass could help you further more consistently, at least from my experience. Those charon well bonuses are sometimes very strong and get a huge boost in duration with that. It makes them a lot more appealing to grab

[candid nimbus]

Acorn can help mitigate a lot of damage

[frigid galleon]

Certainly in Styxx where there are usually multiple wells in the mini encounters

[mild mist]

or you can

get a god keepsake

1st and second floor

[leaden whale]

Ultimately it sounds like you just need to practice though. Or hope the eventual 80% from god mode is enough to get you through Redacted

[mild mist]

then do acorn the rest of the game

[candid nimbus]

Practicing with a ranged weapon and working on kiting/keeping distance might be a good exercise

[gusty atlas]

I am really terrible at kiting

in every game in the world

but alright

thanks

[leaden whale]

I have the opposite problem, wherein I'm bad at building but pretty competent against the enemies and bosses, thus a lot of my runs fail because my DPS is jank lol

[thorn quarry]

You can also aim for the Athena /||Demeter|| duo boon. It should synergize pretty well with God modes reduced damage

[mild mist]

ok

in hades

you dont need to kite

you can literally dash through enemies

I frames exist

Just dodge

dash is stupid good

[candid nimbus]

Ah, yeah building an intuition on when an attack is coming and what type it is will really help

[mild mist]

get more dashes

divine dash is pretty good too

[frigid galleon]

I think this is a decent point. But not just more dashes

Use the dash deliberately

Instead of just spamming dash. I found I took a lot less damage and did faster clearing simply by slowing down a bit.

[mild mist]

Yeah

To relate it to another genre

its like FPS in a way

if you go crazy you can miss

but like

slow down and aim

and you might hit something

same thing here

[leaden whale]

Except against those bomb enemies in Asphodel. Their retreating hop with a cluster of bombs catches me so freaking much, I hate that move with a passion

[mild mist]

Except against those bomb enemies in Asphodel. Their retreating hop with a cluster of bombs catches me so freaking much, I hate that move with a passion
@leaden whale I agree, and I have 101 hours

LMAO

[gusty atlas]

I've done significantly worse everytime I've done that, but will keep working on it

sounds like it's the only way forward

[mild mist]

Failure is the path to success unfortunately

Just grind the game out

[candid nimbus]

Yeah, facetanking is something, but there's a limit to how much you can do it

I would know, my playstyle is atrocious

[mild mist]

Sword 4th aspect is really good for building facetanking earlier in the game

later on it sucks

[harsh leaf]

40% reduction is no joke

[gusty atlas]

@mild mist Unfortunately, need to start beating things to get the blood...

[mild mist]

Unfortunate

[frigid galleon]

I ran a similar exit wounds build the other day

[mild mist]

I recommend bow or rail for starter tbh

just dash shoot dash shoot

keep distance

[candid nimbus]

There are some very strong cast builds

[mild mist]

bow is pretty brainless

[gusty atlas]

I can't keep distance w/ the bow

it's been really horrible for me

[frigid galleon]

And I found it was so explosive vs everything except bosses, it made me waaay over confident

[mild mist]

I can't keep distance w/ the bow
@gusty atlas ?

How

[candid nimbus]

Ah really?

[mild mist]

Literally just stay out of melee range

[gusty atlas]

bow was the last weapon I got ambrosia on

too long to charge up attack?

[mild mist]

bro

You dont play like that

[candid nimbus]

I believe dash attacks charge quicker

[mild mist]

dont charge it

that gets you killed

[frigid galleon]

Just dash attack?

[mild mist]

just dash attack with bow

[gusty atlas]

and dash attack you dash into things?

so then... where distance/

[candid nimbus]

Wait are you kbm or controller?

[gusty atlas]

controller

[mild mist]

Dash attack left and right with the bow

not forward and back

[gusty atlas]

umm...

[candid nimbus]

Ah, might need to dash perpendicular then

[gusty atlas]

...

he seems to dash in whatever fdirection i'm facing

how does that work

[mild mist]

Oh crap

[candid nimbus]

Check uh settings

[harsh leaf]

OH

Oh no

[mild mist]

So for me

[candid nimbus]

Is there an option for dashing towards facing?

[mild mist]

I can look at a boss

[harsh leaf]

Did you get in the menu and touch things?

[frigid galleon]

Mystery solved?

[mild mist]

and dash left and right

[harsh leaf]

Cause there is an option

[mild mist]

but I'm KBM

[leaden whale]

You have that option enabled? Are you MAD

[gusty atlas]

I never tocched settings

[harsh leaf]

To ENABLE dash where you're looking

Disable it right now

[mild mist]

Yeah

[candid nimbus]

Take a look friend that might help

[mild mist]

you need free reign over your dash

or you die

[harsh leaf]

I heard of this happening to a friend of someone here and thought it was hilarious

[leaden whale]

Is there a possibility that would default to enabled? Unless they don't remember touching it

[gusty atlas]

I don't see anything about dash in the settings

[candid nimbus]

Really? Lemme look..

[mild mist]

Me either

[gusty atlas]

okay, dash at cursor is disabled, but it says k&m only

controller only has one facing control

[frigid galleon]

Just picked up switch to check

[mild mist]

ok so

I have a solution

[harsh leaf]

Okay, then just

[mild mist]

its called practice

[frigid galleon]

Yeah it's not there

[mild mist]

So hear me out here

[harsh leaf]

Move the control stick to somewhere other than the enemy and dash there

[frigid galleon]

One sec I'll run to skelly

[harsh leaf]

That's how you dash perpendicular

[mild mist]

You need to be able to quickly input a dash in a direction instantly

[harsh leaf]

With the bow, that's how you do it

[mild mist]

any direction

[gusty atlas]

...

[mild mist]

Like

I can dash behind me

instantly

Its just natural

[harsh leaf]

You can absolutely dash then do a dash attack in the direction you came from btw

[mild mist]

I cant explain it

[gusty atlas]

with the controller?

[harsh leaf]

Yes

I can do it with controller

[mild mist]

I run KBM, maybe its easier

[gusty atlas]

I don't have ... a button for that?

[harsh leaf]

You just have to wiggle the stick fast

[mild mist]

Its just advanced tech, you gotta flick the stick and dash instantly

like B reversing in smash bros

[gusty atlas]

yeah, okay

[mild mist]

It sounds kinda hard

but tbh

not really

[gusty atlas]

I... don't think i can do that

[harsh leaf]

It's really not that hard

[mild mist]

Just give it time

[candid nimbus]

Hmmm

[mild mist]

I... don't think i can do that
@gusty atlas Thats quitter talk

Nobody starts good

[candid nimbus]

I don't play controller so I really can't advice 😦

[mild mist]

Just practice it a bunch

[gusty atlas]

no like, that is way too many controls at the same time

[mild mist]

its same on PC

I'm constantly dashing

and attacking

in any direction

gotta get used to it

[frigid galleon]

Practice on skelly

That's what he's there for

[harsh leaf]

It's two buttons man

Plus the stick

[candid nimbus]

How do you fare with fists?

[frigid galleon]

That are right next to each other

[harsh leaf]

You can press attack and dash at the same time even

[mild mist]

How do you fare with fists?
@candid nimbus Me or someone else?

[candid nimbus]

liminal

[mild mist]

gotcah

gotcha*

[harsh leaf]

Also, if you have 70 runs, I imagine you also have a few|| companions?||

[candid nimbus]

Doesn't sound like liminal can do the movement we're saying, gotta advise differently

[gusty atlas]

@harsh leaf You seem assume I've ever dash-attacked without holding the stick forward the whole time

[leaden whale]

You know how you hold the left stick to run? You will dash in any direction you're aiming the stick. You can chain multiple dashes and change direction with the stick for each dash. You need to learn to primarily use dashes for positioning in fights. Run normally for small adjustments, like closing a bit of distance, but when you need to get away from an enemy or get close to one, dash (preferably behind them)

[gusty atlas]

so like, my brain is literally not processing this whole flick the stick thing

[mild mist]

You know how you hold the left stick to run? You will dash in any direction you're aiming the stick. You can chain multiple dashes and change direction with the stick for each dash. You need to learn to primarily use dashes for positioning in fights. Run normally for small adjustments, like closing a bit of distance, but when you need to get away from an enemy or get close to one, dash (preferably behind them)
@leaden whale @gusty atlas This is the best explanation

[harsh leaf]

Well, you're gonna have to stop doing that if you wanna get better at the game

[gusty atlas]

@harsh leaf no, none

[mild mist]

Lots of different times dashing is applicable too

You have to learn the mechanics

Or you won't progress

[gusty atlas]

I can dash attack moving forward, just not re-aiming

[harsh leaf]

Also, dunno if we mentioned it, but remember that dash attack doesnt have iframes, so if you need to dodge an attack just dash away

[frigid galleon]

If you run toward an enemy, let go of the stick and hit dash+attack when close to them with aim assist for example

You will dash attack through them AND 180 so you're facing them still

[gusty atlas]

I thought it had fdewer, not none

[harsh leaf]

It might as well have none

You're not dodging any sweep attacks with a dashattack

[mild mist]

you gotta learn movement

So

Example

[leaden whale]

Honestly if I were you, I'd just hop into Tartarus and practice dashing to avoid attacks and getting behind enemies until you get the hang of it. Like someone said earlier, you can even dash through enemies, and you can also dash through walls in the arenas, like they're not there.

[mild mist]

If you dash through an enemy

you can get like

10 free hits or so idk

but dash attacking probs gets you hit

[gusty atlas]

yeah, I've dashed through walls and stuff

I know that, It's just this whole aiming thing that I'm not getting

[mild mist]

You basically

Buffer the next dash

You dash forward, for example

but get ready to dash right

and hold right

[gusty atlas]

because the dash isn't long enough for me to actually put any other input in

[mild mist]

and then dash when your first one ends

Yeah its quick timing

[harsh leaf]

Practice dashing while you wiggle the stick, man. It has a lot more leniency than you seem to think

[mild mist]

Understandable that It can be hard

[gusty atlas]

(I can't really dash uppercut either w/ fist, for whevere was asking that. I have to set up my hands weird to get it, so I never use it)

[harsh leaf]

Just dash around skelly

[frigid galleon]

Ok try this

Go to skelly

Stand closeish

[leaden whale]

I think one of their biggest hangups against Redacted is his giant circular swing, which requires you to quickly double dash to get away from. No other enemy in the game has that kind of AoE range, and it took me a while to adjust to it

[frigid galleon]

Turn with stick to face to one side of him

Let go of stick

[leaden whale]

You can dash through it with i-frames, but that needs better timing

[mild mist]

What is our guy struggling with

Redacted

or the game

[leaden whale]

He's gotten to Redacted twice and failed in 70 runs

[gusty atlas]

probably the game

more than twice

[candid nimbus]

Might need to rebind some things

[gusty atlas]

but like, 5 times

[mild mist]

Yeah seems like it

[candid nimbus]

Not being able to dash upper concerns me

[frigid galleon]

Press dash without touching stick, then immediately push stick towards skelly and hit attack

[mild mist]

GO PRACTICE THIS STUFF ON SKELLY

he is there for a reason

[frigid galleon]

Need to be fast enough

[mild mist]

like

go use him

also a major part of the game is stun locking

if you are hitting a non armored enemy

[frigid galleon]

This is effectively wht is happening when people do it in game without chaining it to their previous movement

[mild mist]

you can just spam dash attack and stun it

[leaden whale]

If you get good at the dashing, your gameplay will improve 10-fold. It's the bread and butter of the combat system. Dashing skill is more important than your choice of boons and weapon

[mild mist]

If you get good at the dashing, your gameplay will improve 10-fold. It's the bread and butter of the combat system. Dashing skill is more important than your choice of boons and weapon
@leaden whale 100%, I beat the game almost 90% of the time because I'm good at dashing

@gusty atlas

like I had a run

47 damage on redacted

actually sucked

[leaden whale]

Yikes

[frigid galleon]

So if you get to redacted on high hp with multiple revives

[leaden whale]

How do you even get to that boss with that little damage

Bruh lmao

[frigid galleon]

And you get dumpstered, you're struggling with redacted

[mild mist]

uh

shield

Shield is really strong at room clearing

bosses

sometimes not so much

[frigid galleon]

If you're always almost dead when you get to redacted, then you're struggling with the game

[leaden whale]

Redacted is the hardest boss for me, so even if I have a great run, that POS can proc all of my DDs

[mild mist]

nah

its elysium boys

easy

[frigid galleon]

Yeah that's my experience

[leaden whale]

I very rarely struggle with them lol

[harsh leaf]

I die more to elysium than redacted tbh

Though havent tried that one option

[frigid galleon]

Hydra probably easiest

Or tied with erinyes

[mild mist]

oh

well

||em3 makes elysium hard||

[leaden whale]

The only other boss that ruins my life is Tisiphone. GOD, I hate getting her, and I'm too stubborn to practice her

Just YOLO it

[frigid galleon]

Then redacted, then Elysium

Usually I struggle in Elysium when spear bro is off screen and I can't tell I'm not actually safe behind a pillar

[leaden whale]

Champions aren't a big deal since I started focusing on Theseus. If I try to focus Asterius I forget to avoid the shield throw. I'm bad at multi-tasking lol

er, spear throw*

[frigid galleon]

I'll be honest

[harsh leaf]

I cant imagine dealing with bulllcharge in the middle of Theseus' Aid

[frigid galleon]

I've never tried to take Theseus first

[thorn quarry]

Tisiphone gets easier as long as you remember she does her actions in pairs

Like, she never does just one thing

[harsh leaf]

I killed theseus first by accident once, but that was a super overpowered run

[frigid galleon]

Iny experience if you just want a cheap win at any cost

[thorn quarry]

She always follows up

[leaden whale]

The bull charge never really bothers me, and the Olympian aid isn't too bad imo. It's not as bad as duo room fights

[frigid galleon]

Shield + Artemis/zues and get lightning rods

Just run/block while everything takes chip damage

It's slow and ugly, but it's a safe way to get through on high hp/defiance

Can't imagine it with godmode stacks

[leaden whale]

Just focus on Ares blade vortex and dash variant and get free DOT while running away from bosses the entire time lmao

I remember that was my first ever great run. The ultimate pansy run

I was also using bow

My best runs are usually with spear, even though it's my least favorite weapon

it's just a really good weapon

[harsh leaf]

Not the biggest fan of the spear, but it gets the job done. Spin is just..... so bad

[gusty atlas]

hmm...this def. isn't doing anything

[mild mist]

what isnt doing anything

[flint eagle]

well ok i took anvil

at least i didnt lose my special

[gusty atlas]

oh cool, hades doesn't respect keyboard layout.

so that's unhelpful

umm can't get the whole fire perpendicular to dash to work

[mild mist]

shoot > dash left> shoot > dash right

that

[gusty atlas]

dash-attack any direction except forward

can't get the inputs

[mild mist]

you dash attack forward

thats correct

but when you are strafing

you shoot > dash > shoot

[gusty atlas]

...but then I have to charge attack?

I am not understanding

[mild mist]

No no no

so with bow

you dont have to charge it

[gusty atlas]

what are you sapyintg

[mild mist]

Basically

[gusty atlas]

you can't fire w/o charging

[mild mist]

When you dash left and right

[gusty atlas]

or you're doing a dash attack

[mild mist]

you can charge it for like

.2 seconds

so you dont die instantly

just release it early

you dont have to charge all the way

[gusty atlas]

sure

[mild mist]

thats how you die

its timing

I dont know how to explain this any better

I kinda just do it

[gusty atlas]

okay, I wanna tell you what I thought you were saying, because this is why I was so freaking lost. I thought you were saying that during the dash animation, I had to hit the stick over to point at the enemy and hit attack so that the dash attack fired in the direction other than what I was facing

I've been assuming, and maybe this is just a ui thing, that if the animated charge arrow doesn't reach the enemy, the straight attack doesn't actually hit them

[mild mist]

charge arrow doesnt have to touch

good indicator

not reliable

[gusty atlas]

If you were just saying that I needed the ability to run forward, and decide to dash in a different directiont than where I was running, then yes

that I understood

[mild mist]

If you were just saying that I needed the ability to run forward, and decide to dash in a different directiont than where I was running, then yes
@gusty atlas yes

You just need to not commit as much to an attack

just charge it barely

and shoot

[gusty atlas]

I thought you werte trying to snay that I needed to de able to change it during the animation

[mild mist]

nah nah

thats impossible

[gusty atlas]

so I was totally lost

yeah, well you sntarted talking about buffering inputs

so

in my defense, I said I couldn't do that, and you said it was quitter talk

[mild mist]

kekw

My bad

actually so sorry

Like

[gusty atlas]

it's cool

[mild mist]

Ok its like explaining to someone

how to walk

[gusty atlas]

miscommunications happen

[mild mist]

I just do it

so its really hard to explain

[gusty atlas]

so my fundamental issue w/ the bow, is that aiming those attacks takes too long and I struggle to keep distantce. It wasn't about trying to get max power attack, it was aiming.

and getting enough of the animation to make sure it's gonna fire

switching to chiron also hurts aoe a lot, since I have no levels in it, that may just have been just a strategic misstep

[mild mist]

A good start for bow is hera

lots of damage

super easy

[gusty atlas]

and hera.... I only tried it once but I had the attack issue again

plus, I think I had stygian soul on, and the only extra stone chaos boon I got was a no-attack boon

[mild mist]

Thats just you being bad with the bow

[gusty atlas]

so that kinda sucked

yes

[mild mist]

You need practice

[gusty atlas]

I admitted I was bad at it

[mild mist]

aside from managing distance

[gusty atlas]

that's where the discussion of distance started

[mild mist]

being bad doesnt mean like

you're evil

I was just stating

being bad isnt

bad

lol

[gusty atlas]

....

that was not a very good sentence

just sayin

[mild mist]

I know

thats why I stuck a lol on the end

[gusty atlas]

and also, I think my 70 runs speak for themselves as for how bad I am at the game

😉

[mild mist]

Any other experience in rogue likes?

[gusty atlas]

define "experience"

[mild mist]

Like hours

or playtime in other games

[gusty atlas]

technically this is the one I've done the best at?

but yes?

[mild mist]

what other games

[leaden whale]

it's one of the easier ones, but the genre itself is known for being tough

[gusty atlas]

Most of them have just been really shallow, enough to say I've tried the game, and not enough to say I'm any good at / have any real experience with them... 2-3 hours in binding of isaac and rogue legacy 2, and maybe half a dozen in dead cells

[leaden whale]

Nuclear Throne is one of the hardest imo. Just getting to an surviving stage 5 is an achievement, let alone reaching 7 and beating the final boss. The runs take like 10 minutes each, and I reached the endboss only twice in 30 hours. I usually died horribly on either stage 3 or 5

Compared to that insanity, Hades is really forgiving

But hey, if you have fun playing Hades, just keep at it and eventually you'll win. But if you stop having fun, don't force yourself to try and beat it

come back to it later if it gets to that

[gusty atlas]

yeah, was just trying to figure out how to get better

[mild mist]

Nuclear throne?

Braindead easy

[leaden whale]

The best way you can get people to give proper advice is to record yourself playing, or have somebody watch you via a stream, and see exactly how you play and what you're doing wrong

[mild mist]

Necrodancer is the hardest rogue I've played to date

also yeah

stream

so we can see gamer

[leaden whale]

and this dude also proved another point: What's easy for others can be brutal for you. I find Throne to be a nightmare in difficulty and stopped playing because it infuriated me

[gusty atlas]

I'll think about it, not sure I'm well set up for it

[leaden whale]

Steam has a very easy broadcasting feature that lets somebody watch you with no need for extra software or a capture card

[gusty atlas]

I'm not on windows and I have to keep a careful eye on what that does to my system resources

because working on all those things through wine can be extra taxing

[leaden whale]

I see

[slender yew]

Any general tips for fists? It’s the only weapon I have yet to clear with

[wise tree]

try for a merciful end build lol. ares attack, athena on special and dash. aside from that, the rest is about practice. can also check out some videos from pinned high heat channel.

[pulsar frigate]

use lightning strike

[formal rover]

^

[candid nimbus]

I gotta do hit and run tactics

Otherwise I go cheese athena fist

[formal rover]

cheese athena fist is a valid strategy tbh

[indigo remnant]

@slender yew Oh fists are my favorite. What I do is have privileged status, and put Demeter for attack and Aphrodite/Dionysus on dash, so they always have two status effects on them. Just dash between every hit combo, back and forth, and you melt enemies

And if you can get concentrated knuckle it’s borderline unfair

[pulsar frigate]

since you can just hold down the attack button, it's very easy to dash strike, rather than dashing normally. be careful with this, because dash striking gets rid of all your dash's i-frames. you need to know when to dash and when to dash strike, because if you dash strike into an attack, you're going to eat damage.

[atomic pond]

what are the best diamond chamber upgrades to get first? theres too many options lol

[pulsar frigate]

what options do you have right now?

[atomic pond]

let me check

[formal rover]

don’t you need to buy the keepsake cabinet thing when you start?

that one first for sure

if i’m remembering correctly

[atomic pond]

the ones i have left are the 3 diamond ones

[candid nimbus]

thought that was gems

[formal rover]

oh you might be right

[atomic pond]

awards gems after bosses
claiming gems gives +20 coin
claiming nectar gives +1 level upgrade
claiming keys gives you one extra reroll
gain entry to the admin chamber
claiming darkness gives +5 max health
unlock erebus gates

I only have enough diamonds for one of these 😦

[indigo remnant]

Gems after bosses

[atomic pond]

the only gems upgrade I have left is Each infernal trove contains more which costs 300
are there any more that show up after?

[indigo remnant]

If you’re clearing regularly you get a bunch very quickly

[pulsar frigate]

if you care about the characters and their quests, take the admin chamber now

[amber cliff]

Hi how do I see how far I've gotten with each weapon without starting a game?

[pulsar frigate]

it's crucial to many of their stories

[indigo remnant]

Oh I didn’t see admin chamber, yeah I would do that

[atomic pond]

thanks, ill do that

[indigo remnant]

@amber cliff how far in are you?

[amber cliff]

I got to the third boss with ||the minotaur and the king guy forgot his name||

[indigo remnant]

Tbh I don’t think you can see that kind of information until a bit later, after you’ve unlocked a bit more. Sorry that’s not more helpful

[amber cliff]

Np

[wheat mulch]

how does the admin chamber help with character quests?

[slender yew]

thanks everyone! I will hopefully be popping in at victory boasting in a few months....

[pulsar frigate]

how does the admin chamber help with character quests?
you go in there a lot, for various reasons

[dull plank]

How long has it taken you all to get usedt othe controls.. I am having a hard time keeping track of my pointer.... Is there a big courser/pointer option?

[full ivy]

have you tried playing with a controller? Could be good? Im on switch so I have no experience playing it with kbm

[dull plank]

@full ivy I'll give it a shot...

[sturdy fossil]

uh so i guess this is the place to ask questions soo, im trying to get the companion for skully and I have gave him 5 nectar and he's not giving me the favor, I haven't gotten any other companions tho

[wise tree]

||unlock 3 weapon aspects that are not zagreus||

[sturdy fossil]

||i did that i have every one besides the legendary aspects besides guan yu||

[wise tree]

and then did you equip zag sword and kill him

with 5 blood spent on it

[sturdy fossil]

i'll try that, thx

so it has be level 6 right

[wise tree]

if it still doesnt work, just go on more runs and keep checking if you can give him more orange juice

yes sword gotta be max level

[sturdy fossil]

that didnt work, i guess ill just try to give him more nectar on my next run

[paper fern]

is there any way to make sure you get daedalus hammers, like how keepsakes make sure you get an olympian's boon?

[sturdy fossil]

i dont think so, maybe fated persuasion?

[paper fern]

okay, thanks

[south grove]

yeah, there's no guarantees for hammers (or for hermes)

but fated authority can let you reroll hoping for hammers

[wise tree]

yes just reroll room from mirror lol but i use mods for that

[strange mesa]

rerolls should work on hammers imo

[south grove]

(due to how the room list works, this can "kindasorta semi-guarantee" hammers with enough fated authority rerolls, but thats needlessly technical)

[wise tree]

cant persuade hammer thats why

but can persuade family

[thin ocean]

I just got Fated Persuasion and I'm confused about how many times I can use it if I have 1 rank with it. The description ends with "(at a time)" which is kinda confusing.

Is that the same as meaning, once per escape?

Because I feel like the game explicitly says "per escape" for other effects.

[lyric forge]

Every rank gives you one additional reroll per escape attempt. There is a way to get more during a run, but that requires completing a run and an investment.

[thin ocean]

Hmm, ok. I wonder why they phrase it as (at a time) instead of per escape.

I read (at a time) meaning per boon prompt

[lyric forge]

No, you get a maximum of four rerolls from that that you can distribute over your run as you see fit. It's not four rolls per boon, that would be insane.

[dense laurel]

its not four rerolls per se

if u reroll a boon, u need 2 fated persuasion to reroll it again, so the cost raises

[spare quiver]

You aren't able to get a duo boon from gods in a double God room right?

[pastel cipher]

yeah, no duo boons can be attained from trial of the gods rooms

[spare quiver]

Ok thought so. Thanks @pastel cipher

[gilded mesa]

what do i use ambrosia for?

[regal wagon]

maxing out the relationships of the characters

you use nectar to build it out

then ambrosia to max it

[gilded mesa]

im not sure exactly what you mean

ive given almost every character a single nectar btw

so does ambrosia have the same effect as nectar but more hearts?

[regal wagon]

no

so, take achilles for example

if you keep giving him nectar, you'll definitely reach a point where he stops taking nectar and only takes Ambrosia

[gilded mesa]

oh, so use nectar first though for as long as i can?

also is it worth it to trade 2 diamonds for 1 ambrosia?

[flint eagle]

@gilded mesa better leave it

u cant be sure early when u need ambro or diamonds

[gilded mesa]

okay, i still have plenty of upgrades that i need diamonds for so i wasnt sure which one would be better

thanks though

[flint eagle]

@gilded mesa upgrade work list 1st

most other upgrades are just cosmetic

also upgrades for gems are least useful

and erebus gates early useless too

[gilded mesa]

okay so should i save my diamonds for better upgrades for now?

[flint eagle]

coolest upgrades are for keys

cus rerolls may be great sometimes

for darkness

cus hp is hp

and nectar

it's free bost

[gilded mesa]

okay, also what is the shape that looks like a dodecahedron?

[flint eagle]

ahem

what?

[wise tree]

show screenshot

[gilded mesa]

for example in the upgrade for chthonic keys

[flint eagle]

ah

[wise tree]

fated dice

[flint eagle]

it's rerols

u can reroll room reward with that

[gilded mesa]

hmm, okay thats cool

[flint eagle]

for example if u have door with golden laurel

and it's hp

u can swap it to coins poms or god

blue laurel means keys darkness gems or nectar

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=732&height=447

[gilded mesa]

alright nice, ill probably save up my diamonds for the darkness pitch black upgrade

[flint eagle]

and dont forget fishing rod

[gilded mesa]

what is the point to the laurels having different colors?

[flint eagle]

look picture

[gilded mesa]

oh i already bought the fishing rod, ive only used it once though

[wise tree]

blue means meta currency and yellow is stuff for this run only

[gilded mesa]

okay that makes sense

im still trying to memorize all of the things in this game, its pretty awesome so i can imagine ill spend a good bit of time with it

[flint eagle]

@gilded mesa well imo this game deserve time you spend

[gilded mesa]

i definitely agree, i love the take on greek mythology and the gameplay is very fun

also the art and music are amazing

[flint eagle]

enjoy

i'll take some rest

[gilded mesa]

thanks for the help

[flint eagle]

np

[lusty quartz]

Quick question... is hazard bomb bugged or is the wiki out of date? It says on wiki it reduces range to 10, but it seems to fire same range as regular special.

it also seems OP as it is, 300% damage boost. i’m new but did two back to back deathless runs with it

[flint eagle]

wiki may be outdated sometimes

[pastel cipher]

since 1.0 (and now test branch) the wiki is out of date in a few places

[flint eagle]

cus afaik there is only 1...character working with it

[lusty quartz]

ah ok

hazard bomb is too good then imo. dash dash special on repeat is too strong.

throwing in random casts and such

[pastel cipher]

tatz does a good job of updating the wiki ^_^

[flint eagle]

@lusty quartz there only 1 upgrade u can combine with it

[pastel cipher]

so if something is out of date its a good idea to let them know through a DM (preferably with a screenshot of the thing in game so they know what to update)

[lusty quartz]

true, but have you tried hazard bomb with targeting system ? it’s even crazier , esp with god boon that boosts special

the damage to you in negligible, if you’re dashing constantly it will almost never happen

[flint eagle]

@lusty quartz i tried 5 rockets with Artemis

[lusty quartz]

5 rockets is also insane

[flint eagle]

on Eris

hazard bomb is hard to do with eris

[lusty quartz]

5 mini bombs is kinda trash tho so there’s that risk

[flint eagle]

not trash

[lusty quartz]

5 rockets is amazing tho i agree

[flint eagle]

but it force u to do close combat

and sometimes asphodel jumping enemies make me mad

constantly jumping away from special radius

[lusty quartz]

yeah that’s the worst part of it

that’s when the regular attack or cast come in handy

[flint eagle]

@lusty quartz not when u have chaos curse(

[lusty quartz]

:/

[crimson ginkgo]

i have lost count on how many times i died thanks to the bomb twins on my runs today,,,

maybe its bcoz my luck's run out lately since the last time ive beaten them many times was yesterday

[frank kelp]

@lusty quartz look at my post in victory boasting, lol

[leaden whale]

can doom damage crit ? 🤔

[marsh ether]

I think it can but you need global crit chance (pressure points or splitting headache)

[leaden whale]

ok and if my special inflicts doom, and i have +%dmg on my special, does it affect my doom ?

[marsh ether]

No, it only affects the damage of the special

[leaden whale]

oh ok 😢 thanks

[pastel cipher]

doom will be affected by universal modifiers but it won't be affected by things that specify "attack/special/cast (or any combination of) does x/y% more/more base damage"

[leaden whale]

thx

[odd plover]

what does "pin" do when i click on on skill in menu?

[muted latch]

shows up in the post game report

[jade wing]

Which weapon would be worth investing the Titan Blood in?

[gray haven]

@odd plover that's just for screenshots.

Or if you want to easily add up your bonus damage or something.

[odd plover]

kk, thx

[modern pike]

@jade wing I dunno tbh, I am a noob too, but I've been trying to do it equally since you still need to beat all levels with all weapons. So far I've put one on each basically