h1-for-new-players

[fresh crown]

can that change the rarity?

[sly vigil]

yes

[muted latch]

yep

[sly vigil]

mirror also has an effect on rarity

[muted latch]

say, you get zeus attack special aid on first boon

[clever path]

Actually

It’s not always a boon from the keepsake’s owner

[sly vigil]

99% of the time it will be

[muted latch]

you want artemis so give up and swap to artemis keepsake, then the first boon will be artemis attack special aid

[clever path]

Most of the time Sometimes Hermes comes in first which can be really annoying in the middle of a run where you need a boon at the start of Elysium or Asphodel

[muted latch]

there is that too lol

[fresh crown]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean Cthonic

[sly vigil]

wait, if you give up to save a seed

[clever path]

If he comes in it’ll be a while until you get the keepsake boon, sometimes it took until the next to last room in Asphodel because of Hermes

[sly vigil]

Hermes should not be your concern

[clever path]

^

He’s annoying, but he’s never killed a run and his boons are good

[fresh crown]

I got the amboria delight and it upgraded my poseidon dash and my reflex, not my aphrodite shot or my ares doom effect 😦

how do you know which is the keepsake boon

[clever path]

It’s the first boon from the keepsake’s owner

[fresh crown]

ahhh

😐 thunder flourish, lightning reflexes, heaven't vengeance. Thanks zoos.

[muted latch]

yikes

[clever path]

Vengeance is good if this is a Zeus Ares run

[fresh crown]

well, it's a zeus spear run

sorry, ares spear

tbh, I am using outdated strategies I think

it's an old reddit post

[clever path]

To be fair I just use whatever I feel like

[muted latch]

yep use whatever you feel like

[fresh crown]

hmmm, I feel like this is stable but kind of slow...

well, let's see hwo ti does

oh, so different strata have different minibosses, etc. And I know different reward icons have sk ulls to demonstrate how tough it is

which one is.. which

how do I know I"m fighting the two skeleton guys instead of the awful rock

[flat fractal]

Do I have to beat the game with my bow's 4th form for my: sword, shield, or gauntlets to get the dialog prompt from the gods?

[muted latch]

skull: elite, skull with a red arrow: super elite

[sleek whale]

thats just random luck which miniboss u'll get

[muted latch]

but you cant determine what variant you get

it's RNG

[fresh crown]

ohhh

[muted latch]

so prepare for the worst

[sleek whale]

power couple all the time

gg

[muted latch]

lol butterfly ball with elite shield bros gg

I once wasted two death defiance in that room

[fresh crown]

yeah that's rough

oh I had a good run recently where I shredded it in no time. I think it was the hoarder's slash one becuase I did so much damage

[sleek whale]

i sugest focusing on only the butterfly ball and killing the wip that comes close to the shield

[muted latch]

and I picked 30% hp regen from Patroclus the room prior

not 60% damage

[sleek whale]

thats how i do it perfect

[fresh crown]

ok, so elite is "slightly tougher" and super elite is "the real bad ones"

[flat fractal]

or am I too tied up on story conversations?

[muted latch]

yes elite is just normal with armor

super elite has different attacking patterns

[sleek whale]

super elite are just minibosses

[muted latch]

for example map 1 wizards super elite fires 3-5 balls at once

[sleek whale]

no those are normal elites

and its 3 balls

[muted latch]

yeah 3

[keen fog]

Is there any weapons tier list based on how easy/hard it is to use them? So far I cleared floor 1 with sword shield and bow, and floor 2 with bow, struggling with other 3

[fresh crown]

also, with the duster, its' 1 gyro per area right?

[flat fractal]

Why won't the gods tell me about my sword, shield, and gauntlets?

[sleek whale]

@fresh crown does the duster give you food on breaking pots?

@flat fractal cause rng is the true god in this game

[fresh crown]

yes

[sleek whale]

wherever there are pots you gain the chance to get food

[fresh crown]

yes, but I've only ever gotten one food in a room

[sleek whale]

thats just rng

[fresh crown]

kk

[sleek whale]

i have gotten 3 a room

[fresh crown]

oooh

[sleek whale]

but since its just 6% or so the chance to get it is low

[fresh crown]

ok so leveling up boons has diminishing returns

[lyric forge]

Pretty hefty ones even.

[fresh crown]

ok ok

hmmmm, finally got 3 gems...

[lyric forge]

There's exceptions like Crystal Beam or Slicing Shot where Poms stay useful because the number is very small to begin with, but usually after like the third Pom the effectivness decreases by a lot.

[ebon dew]

How do you deal with those damn ||little chariots|| in ||elysium||

[lyric forge]

Run like hell.

[ebon dew]

Do you kill them or run

[lyric forge]

If you have range you can kill them, otherwise you can lure them into terrain.

[ebon dew]

Just had a room with those ||blue crystals that make things invulnerable||, armored, and a bunch of ||little tractors||, armored

took a death defiance off me

[fresh crown]

it's pitch-black darkness, right? because of the extra max health, and the passive you can get?

actually no Vanquisher's Keep, because that stays with me

gems to keys, keys to nectar, nectar I can actually turn into the big stuff

ok, epic is the highest level of normal boon, but legendary are special boons, and duo are synergy ones

[daring oracle]

Epic can get upgraded to heroic

[fresh crown]

hmm. Artemis' strike on the rail. That... is that enough to matter because of how low its damage is? Should I grab trueshot instead

[daring oracle]

You can’t get heroic otherwise

[fresh crown]

ohhhhh I see

is the only way to upgrade a boon's rarity ||eurydice||?

[gaunt raven]

no, there are a bunch of ways

[lyric forge]

You can also exchange an epic boon for a heroic one if offered, and ||Demeter|| has a way to rank up boons as well.

[gaunt raven]

The way you mentioned, a certain boon provided by ||Demeter||, and exchanges

[fresh crown]

oh so sometimes a god will offer to rank up their boon instead, or?

[gaunt raven]

That boon comes way too often towards the end of a run where its no longer relevant lol

[fresh crown]

wait, but a ranked up boon keeps its levels right?

[gaunt raven]

No
A god might offer replacing another boon with theirs, and with a higher rank

[fresh crown]

ohhhh. okay

[lyric forge]

Sometimes you already have a boon on, say, your attack, and then another god will offer you to exchange it for theirs. When you exchange you always rank up one step, if the boon in question is already epic rarity the replacment will be offered as heroic.

[gaunt raven]

idk about levels though, I assume it stays

[lyric forge]

It does stay.

[fresh crown]

ohhhhh ok ok

ooooooooooh, so I got the BIG explosion for my gun... should I take heartbreak flourish with it? Or would dying lament be more useful in this instance because of chain?

man, +111 is great

I like big numbers

[sleek whale]

i suggest heartbreak flourish for those big nummbers

i love a good aphro special run

[fresh crown]

yeah I got some of those

which god's attack adn special give you the highets % boost

[sly vigil]

Aphrodite

[pulsar frigate]

aphro for both

[fresh crown]

kk

that explains why a hazard bomb heartbreak flourish is doing so much

[pulsar frigate]

of course, artemis can technically do more, but aphro is more consistent

[fresh crown]

can she? because her crit does 2x damage, and then the extra bonuses are oly 15

oh it's +200, so 3x

[pulsar frigate]

it says “+200%” but it’s not additive like other bonuses, it’s just a straight 3x damage

[queen fiber]

any tips for theseus/minotar? i always seem to lose at least one/two of my death defiances them ://

[sly vigil]

which phase do you have problem with?

dealing with both of them?

[queen fiber]

mostly its with theseus, i can usually do the minotaur p well

[sly vigil]

dealing with phase 2 theseus

[queen fiber]

yeah basically

[sly vigil]

I assume you know how to separate the cow and kill it first?

for phase 2 theseus, he has 3 moves, call down god, spear, and swing

for call down god, just learn the pattern and dodge, if you keep dashing the chance you get hit by stray damage is small enough

[gaunt raven]

Unless he calls upon ||Demeter||, which is utter nonsense lol

[sly vigil]

for spear throw, after the throw he will always turn his back for 3-4 s. this is your moment to strike

[fresh crown]

yeah my last run was demeter

[gaunt raven]

My condolences 😔

[sly vigil]

you can hug the pillar to avoid the spear

[fresh crown]

the swing he telegraphs with a thin little white circle that pulses around, that's when you know to start dashing around

[sly vigil]

and the swing only happens if you are in his melee range

[fresh crown]

is there an easy way to seperate him and astorius? Usualy I just focus on astorius and he leaves becuase he loves to just stand around and throw spears

[gaunt raven]

I've found full charge god aids to be really useful against him
The kinds that make you invuln for some time

[sly vigil]

honestly once you are used to the fight, I like to group them kill both at once

[gaunt raven]

Hades or Athena work wonders

[fresh crown]

if you DO group them, attacks double up

I had some srot of passive that made me automatically gain god call bonuses

had that with zeus

thank you for the splitting headache boon but only the call gives me that

[leaden whale]

WOO, my first Champions kill. And with the spear, my "worst" weapon

[gaunt raven]

gratz!

[leaden whale]

Focusing on Theseus first made things go smoother for me. The bull is easy to avoid

[sly vigil]

now it's your best weapon :3

[leaden whale]

Jeez, my hands are shaking. That was intense.

It's a pretty good spear build. Crits from Artemis + lots of extra attack speed with the rapid thrust hammer buff

Just hold down attack and proc crits all day

[fresh crown]

oh interesting

[leaden whale]

I also have Festive Fog leveled to 5, so I can throw stun bombs for big damage all over the place

It's fun

[fresh crown]

ooooh yes that's good

I just fought him myself

I'm using a big damage mortar shot with the rail (like, 700+ with a cast in them) and Thesus actually stays VERY still

[ashen vault]

i love stacking slows, had a run with chill aoe + slowing hangover attack

[fresh crown]

hey question for the last boss

when the last boss does a teleport thingy, the bloodstones are removed.... will that proc exit wounds

[obsidian locust]

No 😔

iirc

[fresh crown]

hey I just hit 1908 damage with a single attack

[sly vigil]

nice!

[fresh crown]

alright, time to get killed by the last boss

[white ivy]

Hey! I don't know if this is the right channel but I was looking through the controls and saw ||some controls for 'summon', I've beat the final boss a few times and haven't used it yet.|| Did I miss something? Or is it something that I'll run into as I play more?

[obsidian locust]

You'll run into it

[leaden whale]

Oof, that last zone is real brutal. Just gonna worry about consistently reaching it, though

[lean echo]

should I go for a mouse and keyboard or controller on PC?

[fresh crown]

oh, wait, I might have won.

[obsidian locust]

@lean echo Go for both

Controller and mouse

Best of both worlds

[leaden whale]

I find controller feels best overall, but M&K support is very good

Just depends on what your hands prefer

[lyric forge]

This abomination again!

[obsidian locust]

Shush

Join us

[lyric forge]

Movement is more precise with Controller, aiming is more precise with KBM.

[obsidian locust]

SO WHY NOT BOTH

[pastel cipher]

it's not an abomination, it's a blurse

[torpid juniper]

i have a question can i only choose one person to go past the arrow with?

[obsidian locust]

Yes

[pastel cipher]

nope, ||you can pick all 3||

[obsidian locust]

You can "Choose"

[fresh crown]

oh, no I didn't win

OH WAIT NO I DID

[sly vigil]

what arrow?

[fresh crown]

||turns out if you hide behind one of hte rocks, you can just blast 700-damage mortars into Hades' face during his whole beam||

[sly vigil]

go past what?

[obsidian locust]

@sly vigil ||Romance||

Oh wait

[pastel cipher]

||the arrow in your heart ❤️ ||

[sly vigil]

oh, ||love|| is a tricky thing

[torpid juniper]

so ||i can do all 3 but should choose the one i want most first?||

[obsidian locust]

There is only one person who has shot their arrow through my heart

You can

[stoic zephyr]

@torpid juniper ||the order doesn't matter||

[obsidian locust]

But you don't have to

[pastel cipher]

is that person artemis Volty

[torpid juniper]

ok thanks yall

[obsidian locust]

is that person artemis Volty
Gasp How did you know??? I am very secretive about it

[pastel cipher]

just had a lil hunch is all

[obsidian locust]

You have very strong hunches aggy

[torpid juniper]

its wrong tho, bouldy best girl

[sly vigil]

bouldy is boy, change my mind

[pastel cipher]

bouldy is best non-binary boulder

[sly vigil]

also true

[gaunt raven]

I don't think boulders have the things I cannot say because bot

[leaden whale]

Argh I wanna keep going, but I got work starting tomorrow. RIP weekend fun

At least I hit a milestone today

[gaunt raven]

More reason to look to the next weekend

[fresh crown]

for the last two mirror options, is there a consensus for one being better

[muted latch]

get 2x death defiance asap if you havent

[fresh crown]

oh no, sorry, the last two

like, between each side of it

if I want more epic or more legendary/duo, and.. how those reroll things work

[sleek whale]

most people choose fated persuasion

since it allows you to reroll boon choices and wel choices (not hammers)

I take epic since most of the time i run eith aphro special and epic aphro is really good

[gaunt raven]

Reroll lets you get a new set of boons
Useful for when you're hunting specific boons for your builds
OR
It lets you rerolls a rooms reward to something else but in the same category (ie you can reroll an obol reward into a boon reward) before you enter them

[sleek whale]

but the between legendary and epic its your playstyle

[gaunt raven]

Its legendary or duo though
And there are some really powerful options there

[sleek whale]

for FA check this pic out https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=300&height=183

its tiny sorry

[gaunt raven]

https://tenor.com/vM2Q.gif

[young isle]

he why does Charon have a lock on his 7th heart in the codex do in need to do some thing to unlock it like hades and if so what do i have to do

[gaunt raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[thorn quarry]

I think Charon actually has nothing stopping him, I think if you just keep talking to him it just eventually hits a convo where it unlocks

[young isle]

oh ok thx

[gaunt raven]

he why does Charon have a lock on his 7th heart in the codex do in need to do some thing to unlock it like hades and if so what do i have to do
A lot of characters have those, it means something special has to happen relating to you.
Just keep interacting with them, and they usually give hints to what you gotta do to unlock it.

[young isle]

but charon just grunts

[gaunt raven]

Yeah thats Charon alright
Classic Charon

[thorn quarry]

And man I wish I saw that fated authority diagram earlier. Not that rerolling is hard, but I remember investing on it early because I thought I could get the patroclus rooms easier back when I had lots of trouble consistently getting into Elysium

[gaunt raven]

Just keep talking with him then
List of minor fates also hints towards other characters unlocks

[thorn quarry]

Per the wiki, Charon is based on spending 10k gaol in his shop

@young isle

Just looked it up to double check

[cosmic willow]

do attack bonuses affect things like bull rush? i.e. Attacks inflict weak

[thorn quarry]

Yup

[fresh crown]

how often can you do the reroll

[gaunt raven]

As long as you have the dice for it
Boon rerolls cost 1 + (1 * times you rerolled this selection)
Room rerolls always cost 1 (if it can be rerolled)

[fresh crown]

OH so you have to get the dice, which is what that uhh, one diamond unlock is for

so if I don't have a way to get dice they don't do anything

[gaunt raven]

Diamond unlock?

[vivid crane]

The one for keys

[gaunt raven]

oh you mean that one

[fresh crown]

uhh, the work order that requires diamonds that lets you get a thingy

[vivid crane]

That’s one way to do it, there’s also a ||mirror talent||

Well, more than one

[fresh crown]

oh, that gives you them?

[gaunt raven]

Thats how you replenish them, but each rank in the reroll talent increases your starting amount by 1 FOR THAT TALENT VARIATION

As in leveling room rerolls will not give you boon reroll dice

[fresh crown]

ok epic athena spear attack is probably better than epic divine dash, since the damage isn't the point, right

right right, because you have to swap between them

[gaunt raven]

yup

[fresh crown]

ok so the keys unlock lets you replenish them while you play I gotcha

[gaunt raven]

exactly

[fresh crown]

so I can choose to either reroll boons or reroll rooms

[gaunt raven]

mhhm

[fresh crown]

ok ok

OOH I get the gem and darkness +102 chaos boon, well, looks like this is a RESOURCE RUN

[thick lynx]

any pre-requisites for "Flame Wheels Release" from well of charon or just havent seen it ever?

[quasi rover]

I can do whatever I want I never make it through Elysium. Once I get there I suddenly deal no dmg anymore and get trucked

[thick lynx]

yeah elysium is somewhat of a gate until you get some mirror upgrades

[lyric forge]

Elysium is the game's build check. Everyone slows down there, compared to Asphodel and Tartarus, the check is how much.

[pastel cipher]

it only appears in Elysium Wells of Charon (flame wheels release) @thick lynx

[thick lynx]

okie thanks

[quasi rover]

what minor upgrades?

[vivid crane]

The mirror in Zag’s bedroom, from Mother Nyx.

[quasi rover]

I know that

I meant which upgrades specifically they were referring to

[vivid crane]

Oh then probably the ones that give damage since that’s what you felt you were lacking eh?

Boiling blood, privileged status etc

[jagged vortex]

if you find that you're running low on DDs before you even get to the boss of elysium, stubborn defiance can be good

it heals less and can only hold one charge, but said charge regenerates every room

[golden bluff]

Does Skelly keepsake give extra dd in addition to stubborn dd?

[jagged vortex]

yes

it takes effect after stubborn DD

[golden bluff]

Nice.

[jagged vortex]

athena boons that replenish DDs don't have that effect on stubborn despite it being listed by the way

(they probably do replenish stubborn defiance if you're missing it but they regen at the end of the room so it doesn't matter anyway)

[golden bluff]

Yeah... I've not used any green mirror buffs except the one that boosts duo/leg boons rate

[jagged vortex]

I find that the epic boon booster is better than duo/legendary because having generally very good boons is better than having specific very good boons

I also find that legendaries and duos are fairly common for me anyway

[golden bluff]

I just wanna see what all the duo boons are like
They're pretty fun.

[jagged vortex]

also getting epic chaos boons early is really good bc I run tartarus with egg

[lyric forge]

Sometimes you just need a Duo boon for the build you're gunning for to function, and at that point you might as well increase all the chances you can get.

Ares or Demeter cast are terrible without a duo.

[golden bluff]

Demeter+Dionysus

[jagged vortex]

demeter cast can be good without duo but it requires some specific circumstances

[golden bluff]

Bam Bam bam

They are so huge that in ||Styx stage rooms|| you can just spam 3 around and everyone is permastunned

[lyric forge]

I'm not knocking it, no-support-boons-Demeter-cast was what got me my first win ever. I just think that it's severly weakened without the Arty duo.

[golden bluff]

There's a duo that regens hp when no DD.

[jagged vortex]

I played with the aphro duo with it and I can say it's very odd

that does apply for stubborn defiance

if youw ere going to ask that

[gaunt raven]

Ares cast is magnificent with any of its upgrades

[lyric forge]

Aphro / Demeter duo I used once to get the tick on the prophecy and never used it after ever again.

[gaunt raven]

Had the joy of pushing redacted into a corner with it more than once lol

[golden bluff]

Doom+ doom stack+ spear dash triple attack

[gaunt raven]

snrk

[golden bluff]

Every encounter is hitting few times and walking away looking cool when they explode.

[gaunt raven]

cool-guy-not-looking-at-explosion style

[lyric forge]

The spear dash thing was a hammer I was sleeping on for a long time. Used it lately for just some giggles and man does that thing smorc.

[golden bluff]

Yeah 3 attacks no joke.

And it looks hella cool too.

[leaden whale]

New players are news

[limpid mantle]

Can someone explain how the jolted boon works ?

You attack them with lightning attack, they get jolted, and then when they attack next, they get damaged?

[lyric forge]

Exactly.

The Jolted charge gets used up though, and you have to reapply it. There is one Duo boon that makes it semi-permanent, which is great if your only source of lightning isn't something you can apply constantly.

[fair mountain]

Yeah I had a run with eris cluster and rocket enhancments with thunder florish, it was fun

[green salmon]

guys I did it, I beat final boss

I cried right after lmao

[daring vault]

Are summons just once for the entire thing and thats it?

[gaunt raven]

per run

Can be upgraded with Ambrosia to have more uses per run, but you can still only use them once per room

[daring vault]

Wait...per ROOM?

[leaden whale]

Summon?

[daring vault]

I can spam mags summon every room then?

[leaden whale]

What is summon

[daring vault]

Legendary keepsake. Give ambrosia after raising affection by giving necgar repeatedly

[gaunt raven]

No.
You get X total uses, and you can only use it once per room.
You can upgrade the total uses, but you can still only use them once in a room (if you have charges left)

[daring vault]

Oooh. Thats rather lame

[leaden whale]

I didn't know that

Lol

[gaunt raven]

Nah its pretty good
You're not meant to spam it all willy nilly

[daring vault]

Almost insta delete theseus

[muted latch]

It's more like a oh crap button

Not something you can spam

[daring vault]

Which one is strongest in terms of damage?

[gaunt raven]

The panic/comedy gold button

[muted latch]

Or you really want something to die really, really quickly

[gaunt raven]

butterfliiiiEEEEEES

[leaden whale]

Murdererrrr

[muted latch]

Elite witches!

[fair mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-goddamnit-angry-gif-5864123

[sly schooner]

Mfw people out here escaping on their 5th run and I can't even get through elysium

[keen fog]

How rare is nectar and is there any reason to give same person 2? I think I wasted one this way lol

[leaden whale]

Every thing is rare

But you can convert

[gaunt raven]

Things get less rare as you progress through the game, so don't worry about it

[leaden whale]

Yes

As you progress > more ressources > easy currency exchange

[gaunt raven]

Not just exchange

[keen fog]

Hm, so I suppose it's good that I always pick resource boons when can

Since I'm still at like 9th try

[outer fossil]

Better to give every character 1 nectar first to get their keepsake. Then focus on one or a few after.

[twin torrent]

How do you unlock || summons from people, such as Bouldy||?

[gaunt raven]

||Improve your relationships with the character related to the summon||

[keen fog]

Question about duo boons, ||my only option to inflict hangover is speical attack but in this build I tend to rotate between all skills, instead of spamming one. How good is athena and grape guy duo boon? One that has 1.5% crit extra chance for hangover targets||

[lyric forge]

Unless you can reliably inflict multiple stacks of Hangover I don't know if it's worth it. That being said Duo boons are worth a ton of obols at the purging well, so might be wise to pick it up anyway if nothing better is offered.

[keen fog]

About blood, || I unlocked all 6 weapons now but still can't use it to enchant my weapons, what else do I need to do?||

[leaden whale]

Finish 1 run?

[keen fog]

And thanks, took it and sold:)

[lyric forge]

You need to ||make one more run|| after the unlock, afterwards ||Skelly should talk to you||.

[keen fog]

Ah cool

[mellow garden]

I've got the hidden ||Arthur|| sword aspect, and have come across perhaps the most difficult of choice of hermes boons in asphodel- Greater Recall, Swift Strike, or Greater Evasion. I've got Trippy Shot, and Deadly Strike and Deadly Flourish, so all are good. Which, though?! Am on a relatively low heat.

[lyric forge]

Imo Swift Strike. ||Arthur|| is chonky but agonizingly slow, anything to speed that up helps a ton.

[dense epoch]

the third attack is so sweet. Had it combined with artemis attack buff.

[mellow garden]

That's what I was thinking; sure, infinite trippy shot lobs would be fun, but if I'm staying inside the fog then it doesn't really matter.

[wanton warren]

why can't i give nectar to hades anymore (i alredy gave him twice and there is no more locked heart but i can't give him)

[green salmon]

Question regarding aspects, I have
||how do you unlock fourth aspect? I'm assuming you have to further the relationship somehow?||

[pastel cipher]

read the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion @green salmon

[green salmon]

Okie

[torpid juniper]

do i need to do anything specific to get the slippery curse from chaos?

[sand bridge]

it will not show up if you select stygian soul mirror upgrade.

[torpid juniper]

thanks. im always stygian so didnt know

[quasi rover]

Is there any spear aspect that is suited for a beginner and good right out of the gate after unlocking it?

[lyric forge]

None of them are particularly good without investments, but aside from the hidden aspect they also don't hurt to have. Achilles is probably easier to handle, Hades is more fun. Zag aspect can also be really cool if you get the right hammers.

[leaden whale]

i played a zag aspect spear game earlier where i got the hammer that turns your special into a shot that does explosive damage

so i was just playing bow, but as spear

it was fun

[tiny epoch]

Hey guys, I am still looking to get my first clear and looking for the easiest weapon/aspect to clear with. I have been recommended the Chiron bow, does anybody else have any suggestions?

[pastel cipher]

the weapon you're most comfy with tbh

[tiny epoch]

Hah, haven't really figured out what that is to be honest

I have only gotten up to Styx

And can't clear there

[pastel cipher]

getting that far is pretty good going

[leaden whale]

have you gotten to ||the surface|| yet

there's a way to cheese all the opponents

[tiny epoch]

Nope, I can't clear the trash ahead of the big red dog

[leaden whale]

aww

[pastel cipher]

that's spoilers here Jav (so spoiler tags please)

[tiny epoch]

I usually like bows / ranged, but the tight areas in the last area there is too tough

hence I was thinking I should switch to melee

[pastel cipher]

shield is incredibly safe so I hear

[tiny epoch]

any suggestions on how to do a shield build then?

Maybe I can go safe to clear first

Since I've never cleared

[pastel cipher]

I don't know how to play Shield unfortunately

[leaden whale]

uh, if you're struggling with ||big rat boys|| you could grab the spear and spam lightning while spamming e next to the ||cure station||

this is how i usually deal with the poison lol

it's hard to dodge everything

how much health are you usually at in the last area?

[tiny epoch]

by the time I got to the guy you mentioned I had like maybe 70 life left with 0 revives

The Elysium final boss is tough, he usually whoops me

[leaden whale]

yeah that's fair

[tiny epoch]

how do you spam lightning with a spear?

[leaden whale]

get zeus's attack boon and the ||jolted status effect boon|| if you can and upgrade them and usually the chain lightning is enough to take out big mobs

[gray haven]

Hmmm.

[tiny epoch]

Is this with a default spear or what

I'm super noob lol

[leaden whale]

but idk i haven't played that long

[gray haven]

Varatha wants Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, or Deadly Strike for Attack builds.

[leaden whale]

it's just how i usually clear rooms faster

[tiny epoch]

is Varatha good for first clears also?

[leaden whale]

what's deadly again

[gray haven]

Or the Flourish of those for Special builds.

Deadly is from Lady Artemis.

Crits.

[leaden whale]

probably not for first clear

ah i see

divine strike is just hyperlight drifter LOL

[gray haven]

I think all of the weapons are good for a first clear. You just gotta do more runs to practice and level up your mirror and keepsakes.

[tiny epoch]

So seems like Chrion Bow / Default Shield

is what has been recommended

maybe i'll try the shield

[leaden whale]

shield is fun!

[tiny epoch]

I haven't figured out how to build shield properly

feel like i can't kill anything hah

[gray haven]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883

Might help.

Hammers depend a lot on what you're offered and what you like etc. Shield is quite versatile, so just try out all the combos and see what works for you.

[leaden whale]

pew pew pew

[gray haven]

pew pew pew 🔫

Whoever wrote this guide is very witty. I'm a fan.

[leaden whale]

i'm also a fan

i wonder who wrote it

they're probably super super cool

and a god at hades

god mode without god mode on

[gray haven]

Goddess mode.

[leaden whale]

hell yeah

[tiny epoch]

Thanks for the guide link, unfort not much mention on what to use the hammers on there

[gray haven]

Hammers depend a lot on what you're offered and what you like etc. Shield is quite versatile, so just try out all the combos and see what works for you.

If you want an Attack build, you go with Attack hammers. If you want a Special build, you go with Special hammers.

Best to just try them all out and see what you like.

Experimentation is a big part of the game, that's why I avoided talking about hammers in the guide.

If you have a solid core build, though, you'll be fine with any hammer. Some will work better than others, but your build will have solid ground to stand on either way.

[patent cedar]

Empowering flight is a hammer I never give up

Especially if you use your special a lot

[gray haven]

Yeah, I guess it's pretty good. I actually don't play base shield enough to have any opinions on it.

[tiny epoch]

Okay thanks 🙂 I'm about 10 runs in now

[light crown]

how to use the spoiler tag? I want to ask a question but ain't wanna spoil it for the other players 🙂

[green tinsel]

|| as brackets

||itll come out like this||

[light crown]

Is it permanent? || Charon's Loyal Card, I've got into a fight with him aka borrow his cash and got the card, but I've no idea if the discount from now on will be up all the time||

[pulsar frigate]

nope, just for that run only

[light crown]

dayum , I had that feeling^

@pulsar frigate Thanks for clarify that

[tiny epoch]

|test|

[pastel cipher]

|| on each side will do it 😉

||like this||

[ashen jacinth]

how is that I unlocked the hidden aspect (or at least able to buy) on the spear ,while spending 0 blood on the weapon?

[foggy zephyr]

because 4th spear unlock is linked to 5 unlocked aspects and they don't need to be spear

[ashen jacinth]

ahhh okay

one more thing, is my charged attack with the spear counts as 'attack' when getting buffs?

[hot yoke]

There is a pin in Story and spoilers

Yes it does

[vocal belfry]

does anyone know if the ares + aphrodite duo boon makes the doom stack?

[pastel cipher]

it doesn't make doom stack

[patent cedar]

There is an Ares boon to make doom stack but it's not that good

[hot yoke]

Ares has another book that makes dooms damage stuck with continual appliance

[pastel cipher]

dire misfortune

[patent cedar]

Unless you have like superior tick rates to apply it and that one boon that makes it linger 0.5s longer

[hot yoke]

Yo JV sry for yesterday again
I'm trying out dark regen rn and it's p fun

[patent cedar]

Lol it's no problem man

[vocal belfry]

alrighty, thanks ^^

[patent cedar]

I figured you were confused about it from the start

[hot yoke]

That's me alright

Confused xD

[patent cedar]

Lol

Dark regen is great though

[hot yoke]

Seems like it to me
Especially since I'm running ||the boon reroll now||

Makes more out of my darkness

[patent cedar]

Yeah

And also Charon selling darkness becomes health, Poseidon's and Chaos' boons become health, etc.

[hot yoke]

At least it's not as disappointing then xD

[patent cedar]

Ugh I turned off god mode because I wanted to actually try as opposed to focusing on the story

[hot yoke]

In my head it was just "I wanna avoid darkness for good runs, so why take a boon that lets me benefit from taking darkness" but it's in the same category as the ||contractor upgrades||

[patent cedar]

Fists are not easy to deal with right now

[hot yoke]

You having problem with those?

[patent cedar]

Currently yes

On dem's aspect too

[hot yoke]

I like long knuckle and support fire with them

[patent cedar]

I'm figuring it out though

Oh support fire is fantastic

I did have long knuckle too

[hot yoke]

Using ||gilgamesh|| rn

I love support fire
Just free damage

Pierce's shields

[patent cedar]

Just shreds everything in range

And even things out of range

Try support fire with Zeus shield

[pastel cipher]

support fire on fast hitting weapons is incredibly satisfying

[patent cedar]

Amazing

[hot yoke]

Ooh zeus sounds fun with that

[patent cedar]

It is very fun

[hot yoke]

Gotta hop in with that after my 4th aspect sword run

[vocal belfry]

zeus shield is the spinny one that stays out right ?

[patent cedar]

Who's attack should I go for on Dem fists?

Yep

[hot yoke]

Had a chiron run with support fire and +4 volley hammer upgrades
So 10 volley shots

Was nitters

[patent cedar]

Damn

[hot yoke]

Yes it is taco

[vocal belfry]

that does sound really fun 😮

[patent cedar]

That's a lot of arrows

[hot yoke]

It definitely is
Maximum huntress vibes

[patent cedar]

I guess I'll try Arty special

[hot yoke]

What were Dems fists again

The magnet ones?

[vocal belfry]

talos is the magnet

[patent cedar]

The bonus special hits after 12 attacks

[vocal belfry]

um

[hot yoke]

Oooh

[patent cedar]

I just thought

[hot yoke]

Hmm I'm not sure
Maybe go for debuff with aphro

[patent cedar]

Dem attack with ||arctic blast||

[hot yoke]

That sound decent

Yeah

[patent cedar]

Cool

We going Dem then

[hot yoke]

Wish ya success

[patent cedar]

Thank you

+56% attack damage is quite nice too

[hot yoke]

Indeed
Going for ||arthur|| artemis

[patent cedar]

Interesting

Believe I had Dem for the special

Wait yeah I had Dem on everything

[hot yoke]

Full arctic

[patent cedar]

Yep

And because it was that weapon enemies couldn't move at all

[cold granite]

How do i properly play the rail?

Cant seem to figure it out

[patent cedar]

Read that wrong

From what little I've played of it, dash-striking seems to be good

Fires 2 rounds very quickly and they deal a little more damage

[cold granite]

Yeah, but it still seems quite underwhelming compared to other weapons

What hammer upgrade should i take?

And what boons are nice for it?

[patent cedar]

Uhh I don't use it much but I know my boyfriend really likes the rocket special

For boons, because you can get a fair few hits in quite quickly, I suggest someone with a % increase to damage

[scarlet current]

triple bomb and rocket bomb are both nice, and make any special boon much more impactful

[pulsar frigate]

as a starter, get flurry fire + zeus attack

[patent cedar]

Most likely Artemis for crit hits

[scarlet current]

Lightning Strike and Support Fire are great, since you spam a lot of low-damage attacks

[lavish gazelle]

Hangover on attack is really good for rail

[patent cedar]

Support fire is always good though

[scarlet current]

Chill is also good, since your mass attacks quickly slow

[patent cedar]

The only issue with hangover is it can only stack up to 5

[cold granite]

Hmm ill try them out

[scarlet current]

the "never have to reload" hammer is nice, if you're not a fan of the reloading part

[cold granite]

To see if the rail is actually worth using

[patent cedar]

Rail is worth using for sure

[cold granite]

Thanks for the advice

[scarlet current]

it's not great for learning the other parts of the rail though, almost like a different weapon

[patent cedar]

Just depends on playstyle of course

[cold granite]

Yeah, i do like the close combat style a bit more

[scarlet current]

sometimes with rail you can end up with a special-focused build that mostly ignores the attack part

[patent cedar]

OK I see why Dem fists are great

Yeah I'm not as big a fan of close combat but fists are very fun apparently

[scarlet current]

I often feel les vulnerable with fists than with sword

[hot yoke]

I really like the shotgun rail

Nice man

[scarlet current]

really? I've never figured how to make that one work well

[hot yoke]

I just did theseus in with my blade
2k crit

I like it with piercing fire and zeus attack

Shotgun single target type o gameplay

[stable wolf]

i'm still trying to beat theseus any tips?

[patent cedar]

Who do you target first?

[hot yoke]

Fight the minotaur first
Guide him along the outer ring

[stable wolf]

mino

[patent cedar]

After throwing his spear he walks away from you, so go for him then if you can

[hot yoke]

When there's a pink symbol over your head theseus targets you with his spear
So you can see when he's attacking you even when he's off screen

[stable wolf]

im a spear main btw

[patent cedar]

I don't believe he attacks during the transition to second phase so you may get an opportunity then

[scarlet current]

take out minotaur first, then kite theseus either by deflecting or ducking behind the pillars

[hot yoke]

Best opportunity to attack the minotaur from behind is after his jump

[scarlet current]

during transition he kinda just stands still for a while so you can smack him around then too

[hot yoke]

Otherwise just keep your distance when he's slashing

Should be easy with slear

Spear

Athena dash helps with the projectiles in his second phase

[stable wolf]

i unlocked ability to tp to my thrown spear so could that be useful for dodging?

[scarlet current]

it can help, much like dash, yeah

[patent cedar]

If you throw your spear past Theseus accidentally it could be good then too

[hot yoke]

You can use it for mobility but it doesn't give you I frames as far as I knoe

Compared to your regular dash

Have you tried flurry strike yet?

[scarlet current]

I don't remember if you can blink through walls with that aspect

[stable wolf]

its good for getting behind things and i get a short 70 percent dmg buff after

[hot yoke]

That's the idea

[stable wolf]

havent been able to get flurry on those runs

sadly

[patent cedar]

Uh hello stubborn roots in the 2nd room of Elysium?

Thanks Dem

[hot yoke]

Otherwise it's just a thing of getting used to their patterns, getting your mirror upgrades and building good runs

Just bring out redacted xD

*grind

I hope writing redacted is ok

[patent cedar]

Try to keep an eye out of the small purple reticule before he throws his spear too

[scarlet current]

first part of theseus fight is basically just normal minotaur + an occasional arrow trap

[stable wolf]

yes i was wondering what that was

[scarlet current]

it's the same thing as when the elysium archers shoot at you

[hot yoke]

It blinks before he throws

[stable wolf]

ive only tried him twice i just beat all the other bosses in two tries

so hes gonna be grindier

[hot yoke]

I like how they teach you that mechanic with the archers

[patent cedar]

Yeah

[scarlet current]

asphodel and elysium bosses are very much just a combination of all the mini-mobs before

[hot yoke]

Theseus alone is pretty ez as long as you stay patient

[patent cedar]

They don't tell you about it but you kind of learn and figure it out

[hot yoke]

Let him throw
Couple hits in the back
Dash away
Repeat

[patent cedar]

Let him think he's the best in the world

And finish him off

[mild orchid]

asphodel and elysium bosses are very much just a combination of all the mini-mobs before
same for Redacted with final area enemies

[hot yoke]

Let him think your a blackguard

[scarlet current]

just stand behind a pillar, do nothing and wait as your lightning rod kills him in the middle for you

[patent cedar]

Tell him Asterius is too good for him

[hot yoke]

It's hilarious how asterius just crawls up the champions rectum

They really made theseus easily hateable

[patent cedar]

Asterius is actually very nice and respectful

[hot yoke]

Yup

Except for theseus

[patent cedar]

First thing my boyfriend said on meeting Theseus was "I hate him"

[hot yoke]

Theseus is just massive husbando for asterius

[pastel cipher]

Theseus is perfectly loveable (in that almost everyone hates him)

[hot yoke]

To each his own

[pastel cipher]

true :3

[patent cedar]

He's a good character though

Just god awful

[scarlet current]

The mortal concept of what constitutes a hero is absurd.

dad is a jerk but he makes some good points

[hot yoke]

Yas

Exactly

Haha
God
Awful

[scarlet current]

A similar line
Someday you shall visit Elysium and meet some of these heroes, and discover that they are quite different than the songs suggest.

[paper imp]

I love that one quote uhh

[scarlet current]

for one, some of them are big pink balls instead of people

[paper imp]

“Death is your family. Death, and I” something like that

[hot yoke]

God I hate those

[stable wolf]

is the tooth a good keepsake to use?

[foggy zephyr]

it's ok, not the best but not the worst

Acorn can mitigate more damage than 100 health

[pulsar frigate]

tooth is okay, but it loses out in effective hp

[neat arrow]

It can be good. I'd use it to help you learn the boss patterns

[pastel cipher]

skelly tooth is incredible in elysium with DD but it's risky (and praying you see ||patrocolus||)

and you lose the extra DD before ||Patroclus||

[weary hollow]

I've enjoyed the tooth in cursed sword builds (is that what it's called?)

[paper imp]

I always go coin purse and then switch to spiked collar after Tartarus, is that valid? Idk what other keepsakes to even level up

[foggy zephyr]

broken spear and acorn are good keepsakes to level

[scarlet current]

for a long while I took butterfly, just to practice my don't-get-hit skills

[hot yoke]

I like the tooth when I, for some reason, arrive in ||temple of styx|| with less than two death defiances

Just as security

[foggy zephyr]

Hermes keepsake is also pretty good for survival

[weary hollow]

I always go coin purse and then switch to spiked collar after Tartarus, is that valid? Idk what other keepsakes to even level up
@paper imp I like extra health, but it seems redundant beyond floor 2. You'll save more health with the acorn.

[paper imp]

@foggy zephyr who are those from?

[foggy zephyr]

Achilles and Erydisus

[paper imp]

Oh tidy, thanks guys

[vocal belfry]

achilles is the bracer? its achilles friend in elysium for the spearpoint iirc

patroclus

[scarlet current]

Achilles gives the Myrmidon Bracer

[vocal belfry]

hope i spelled that right

[paper imp]

The dude with the uhhh ??? Name?

[hot yoke]

Doggie collar is redundant and I don't like the drawback on bracer
I tend to have my back to enemies a lot of times

[scarlet current]

there's a lot with those for a while lol

[hot yoke]

So rather spearpoint

[scarlet current]

the Elysium NPC gives Broken Spearpoint

(easiest way to refer with least spoilering)

[weary hollow]

I generally go coin purse - boon I want - lucky tooth if I'm running low on DD, or acorn both of those to the end

[hot yoke]

^

[patent cedar]

Speaking of low DD

Lost 2 to Theseus and he still isn't half health

[scarlet current]

that's why you use the lightning rod strat :P

[vocal belfry]

does anyone know if dio's fountain boon works with the mini fountains in the styx?

[hot yoke]

I'm chilling in styx rn

Should work for all fountains

[patent cedar]

Only works with health fountains

[hot yoke]

Oh you mean the poison?

No

Those aren't fountains

[vocal belfry]

ahh fair enough

[hot yoke]

Would be op

[patent cedar]

Thanks well of Charon

[scarlet current]

they work with the inter-region fountains, and any fountain chambers you find that heal you

[patent cedar]

Need DD? Nope, take 64 health even though you're at full

[hot yoke]

Just reroll
Ha
Ha

Funny

[vocal belfry]

dd is death defiance? I keep thinking of darkest dungeon

[lyric forge]

Yeah, in terms of this game it's Death Defiance.

[hot yoke]

When someone says GY I always think of graveyard

Damn you Yugioh

[patent cedar]

Yeah same

Took me a short while to connect the dots for that one

[noble trellis]

What's the best aspect for sword?

[pulsar frigate]

aside from zag, they all do what they want to do really, really well

[noble trellis]

aight I think ill go for nemesis

[pulsar frigate]

it depends on what you feel like playing

[noble trellis]

I dont like using my special really

[lyric forge]

Nemesis is the most straightforward of the bunch, yeah.

[noble trellis]

so probably nemesis

and I dont know hwo to get the 4th one

[blissful thorn]

What's the Lightning Rod strat?

[scarlet current]

you get lightning rod and a bunch of lightning boost boons, throw them at theseus, and wait behind a pillar while he dies

[blissful thorn]

Oh haha

Rad.

[patent cedar]

Lol that sounds funny

[pulsar frigate]

best with eris

[scarlet current]

it's great fun to watch, and works quite well for clearing out rooms to

[patent cedar]

I'll need a list of things to get for that

[blissful thorn]

I tend to go for Poseidon boons 'cause they send everything flying...

[patent cedar]

For... science

[pulsar frigate]

double strike and splitting bolt, really

[blissful thorn]

Sweet!

[pulsar frigate]

high voltage is good as a secondary if you get those other two

[blissful thorn]

Also, does anyone know who the last Olympus god is? I have yet to find them

[worn merlin]

yo, i've started playing hades some days ago and it's great! but the hydra's a bit... annoying, any tips i should be aware of while fighting her or do i just do my best?

[patent cedar]

How far have you reached so far?

[pulsar frigate]

have you reached the final boss yet?

[patent cedar]

Uhh for the bone hydra, I would suggest learning which heads use which attacks

[scarlet current]

you need to ||make it to the final boss fight|| to unlock the last olympian

[pulsar frigate]

the last god ||won't appear until you do so||

[blissful thorn]

Furthest was Theseus and Asterius

[lyric forge]

You can get the final Olympian once you've seen the final boss. Don't need to win, just be there.

[patent cedar]

This way you can learn which ones pose the biggest threats

For example there's a blue hydra head which creates 1-time floor hazards, I don't find that one too hard to avoid but if you have trouble evading things like that then you may target that first

[scarlet current]

hydra is a mishmash of tactics you'll have seen throughout asphodel

[worn merlin]

issue is more that i basically smash the main one, then it becomes invincible and i have to deal with the absurd chaos every head combined creates

[scarlet current]

that's part of the fight, as with all other bosses it's got phases to it

[worn merlin]

i just get lost in the fight and can't find a rapid way of dealing with everything

[scarlet current]

it's good to focus and take down one head quickly, so you have an area that's mostly safe to run to

[patent cedar]

I guess my advice is to focus on one head at a time?

[worn merlin]

yeah but other bosses feel more... clear to me, i know what's happening and i know how to respond to it, with hydra i just feel like they're throwing things at me

[patent cedar]

I think that's what I did anyway

[scarlet current]

hydra is a bit more random, since it's got more moving parts

[lyric forge]

Because they essentially are just throwing things at you.

It's fairly chaotic.

[scarlet current]

it used to be very samey before

with observation you'll notice the unique head shapes and what they do

[worn merlin]

ye, well, i'll try focusing heads then, which do you think should i take down first?

[scarlet current]

then you'll be in a better place to counter their tactics

I usually get rid of the energy wave ones first, because I don't like getting hit while on the other side of the room dealing with other stuff

[patent cedar]

I would suggest the orange head with the upside-down Hades beard or the purple ones

They throw projectiles that can be hard to see or avoid

[worn merlin]

makes sense

[pulsar frigate]

i find the spike heads to be very annoying, almost on par with the wave heads

[worn merlin]

the ripple are hard to avoid, they are larger than most projectiles

[patent cedar]

Then you're left with either floor hazards or enemy spawner heads I believe?

Yeah the energy waves can be very annoying

[worn merlin]

there's the sphere one too, i think they are 4?

[lavish gazelle]

hydra is about prioritizing threats to end the chaos as quickly as possible

[patent cedar]

I think 5 different heads

2 floor hazards, 2 projectiles and an enemy spawner

Unless I missed one which is likely

[worn merlin]

ye ye 5

forgot the fireball one

[scarlet current]

there's

• energy darts
• energy waves
• ground slam
• lava balls
• bone summons

and every variant also headbutts if you get too close

[patent cedar]

Yeah

[worn merlin]

they aren't even that squishy, they spawn armored each time, should i try to get anti-armor boons in the meadows?

[patent cedar]

So for the order that list was actually quite close to how I'd put it

If you think you need to then go for it

Maybe some hammers that could deal armour damage too

[worn merlin]

was thinking of that mostly, since all others are kind of dependent on the weapon

[patent cedar]

-NRG wave
-NRG dart
-Lava balls
-Bone summons
-Ground slam

[scarlet current]

also helpful is some burst damage to quickly remove one head as it spawns

[patent cedar]

That's how I'd deal with them

Yeah since they don't all spawn at the same time

[worn merlin]

huh, felt like they did, might be because some are offscreen

[hot yoke]

Just burst them down

[patent cedar]

I think it's just random

[scarlet current]

they don't all appear together, and take some time to "wake up" and start hurting you

[hot yoke]

Greater calls are good for that

[patent cedar]

I've had some spawn late while on-screen

[hot yoke]

Some just take ages

[scarlet current]

in that wakeup time you can usually dispatch one

and that gives you a little area that's safe

[worn merlin]

greater calls tho aren't more useful to "dodge" the storm of things they throw at you when they all wake up? since you become invincible most of the times

[hot yoke]

Also I'd personally recommend to dispatch the bonys first

[patent cedar]

For calls against Hydra I'd suggest something that either makes you impervious or deal with a great number of enemies at once-
-Dio call
-Athena call
-Ares call

[scarlet current]

the timing does vary, but it's signalled by bubbles in the lava beforehand so you can move there and get ready to keysmash

[worn merlin]

granted, you take down 1, but there are 4 left

[weary hollow]

Right so I'd like to know which aspects are best with just 1 point. Trying to beat 0 heat with every weapon before starting heat, and enjoy using the aspects.

[worn merlin]

wait, Dio is Chaos?

[hot yoke]

Poseidon call is also decent

[jolly quartz]

I really need to get better about accidentally dashing into the magma lol. I always loose so much health due to that.

[patent cedar]

I'm going to stop onw because this is a lot of information being thrown around

[hot yoke]

Dionisus

Wine boy

[worn merlin]

oh, that

i always call him Baccus lol

[hot yoke]

Tf

[scarlet current]

frat boy friend

[hot yoke]

^

Big husbando

[worn merlin]

i'm Italian, we tend to use the Latin names here

Baccus=Dionisus

[lyric forge]

@weary hollow The commonly mentioned ones are Nemesis Sword, Hera Bow and Talos Fist. Maybe Eris Rail.

[hot yoke]

I skipped latin

[worn merlin]

well thanks boys, i'll try to smash that lizard faster next time

[hot yoke]

Get them lizards

Pelt them with
Shots
Or arrows
Or whatever

[weary hollow]

@lyric forge thank you! So there isn't one for shield? I've heard achilles spear is good with 1 point as well

[hot yoke]

Chaos shield is good

Imo

[weary hollow]

Chaos shield is good
@hot yoke with 1 point?

[patent cedar]

Zeus shield is my favourite and I won't stop saying it

[jolly quartz]

Yeah I prefer Zeus as well.

Found choas underwhelming.

[hot yoke]

Chaos better
But zeus fun
No you need to invest a bit in chaos imo

[scarlet current]

Zeus shield with 1 point is pretty good I think, Chaos scales a lot with extra shields so 1 point isn't that great

[lyric forge]

Thing about the shield is that neither of the two aspects are all that glorious without being ranked up. Spear both aspects kinda work without much invested, they'll just not be as powerful.

[patent cedar]

If you can get Artemis' boon "support fire", it doesn't even matter that the aspect is level 1

[hot yoke]

Are you kidding me? Bull rush, throw 5 shield,mad procs

Its like a shield shotgun

[ashen vault]

whats the highest boon level you guys achieved

[lyric forge]

Chaos used to be so much better...

[weary hollow]

So what you're saying is pump everything I have into chaos shield and start hitting the heat? Lmao

[patent cedar]

I think 5 or 6

[jolly quartz]

I've gotten to 6 or 7 for a boon.

[scarlet current]

So what you're saying is pump everything I have into chaos shield and start hitting the heat? Lmao
big ups

I've reached 9 thanks to endgame keepsake

[hot yoke]

That pleased lord chaos

[patent cedar]

I had a plan to get as high a level a boon as I could and win

With just a single boon if possible

[hot yoke]

Chaos shield was my first clear actually
With 1 point invested lol

[patent cedar]

I should try doing that soon actually

[hot yoke]

Also I'm a big stan for chiron bow

[scarlet current]

chiron bow +1

[patent cedar]

My first clear was -naturally- Zeus

[weary hollow]

Chiron bow and choas shield are expensive to make effective though, right?

[patent cedar]

I used Chiron for the first time yesterday

[scarlet current]

Chrion bow doesn't need extra points if you put Doom on it

[hot yoke]

Chiron less so but yes

[lyric forge]

First one was... Talos Fist I wanna say? Been a while.

[patent cedar]

With Dio special

Think I'll go someone else next time but it wasn't awful

[hot yoke]

Chiron with dem or dio

[weary hollow]

Thanks for the tips guys

[lyric forge]

Chiron is like the one aspect that actively makes you worse if it's not higher ranked.

[hot yoke]

On special

Wish you success planky

[patent cedar]

I want to try Poseidon Chiron actually

[jolly quartz]

I believe my first clear was Chiron how with a upgrade to get me more special shots.

[patent cedar]

I'mma force enemies to social distance

[hot yoke]

Yeah that's mental
Got 10 shots on my spesh like that

[scarlet current]

bring in Zeus so they get zapped a ton

[lyric forge]

Sea Storm Chiron is awesome.

[hot yoke]

Btw NEVER zeus special on chiron

[patent cedar]

Yeah

Zeus has cooldown

[hot yoke]

Bolts have an internal cool down and the special hits to fast for that

0.2 seconds I think

[blissful thorn]

Smort

I like Dio/ Athena special on bow.

That stuff is maaaaagic

[scarlet current]

Chill on Chiron is pretty massive too, instant slow mo gaming

[hot yoke]

Athena less so on chiron cause it lacks the area coverage if the normal one

Helps with bosses yeah

[pulsar frigate]

demeter on chiron special because of the possibility of arctic blast

with relentless, suddenly your special damage is increased by 80-100 damage aoe

[lyric forge]

Huh. I've never actually run that.

That sounds lovely.

[patent cedar]

I just got arctic blast on Dem fists with her attack boon

Was amazing

[spare quiver]

@patent cedar fists or gun seem like the only way to reasonably apply those 10 stacks, making blast effective. Haven't tried it yet but I'm waiting for the opportunity

[scarlet current]

the flurry hammers make it pretty simple

[patent cedar]

I imagine Zeus shield is good too but only if enemies stay still...

[hot yoke]

Eh works with every fast attacking weapon

[foggy zephyr]

Demeter's legendary is pretty crazy if you can get it, works on bosses too.

[patent cedar]

Which upon writing that I realise is the point of her boons

[hot yoke]

Chaos shield, flurry spear

Rail

[scarlet current]

add dio cast to lock them in place for a few

[spare quiver]

Or zagreus sword with that fast hammer attack

[scarlet current]

World Splitter?

[spare quiver]

Forgot the name of it

[hot yoke]

Isn't it flurry sword or some

[scarlet current]

world splitter is the really slow 90 damage one haha

[lyric forge]

It's Flurry Slash, World Splitter is the big chomp.

[tepid vale]

world splitter is faster than the basic attack combo

that's your fun fact for the day

[pulsar frigate]

in exchange you get a really skinny hitbox that doesn't connect at all 😛

[tepid vale]

oh hey you're back

[dawn berry]

I take it just so thrust is removed

[tepid vale]

question: why do you ping me every time someone uses a good control scheme?

[pulsar frigate]

[scarlet current]

IJKL movement and cast on R?

[pulsar frigate]

controller movement, mouse aiming

[lyric forge]

Onyx, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[tepid vale]

lol

[scarlet current]

I guess that frees up my thumb from the touchpad

[pulsar frigate]

lysol i ping you because you need to build your own gang of weirdos to revolutionize the gaming community

[hot yoke]

Touchpad meta

[pulsar frigate]

with your hybrid controller/mouse meta

[hot yoke]

Does he have three hands or what?

[tepid vale]

or I can have jerds do it for me
he supposedly uses controller + mouse too

[scarlet current]

what kind of controller,a Wiimote?

[tepid vale]

xbox

[patent cedar]

A GBA modified with extra buttons

[hot yoke]

Nothing beats the trusted guitar hero setup

Did someone say motion controls?

[patent cedar]

I can't remember what game it was... donkey kong?

The one with the drums

Do that

[scarlet current]

taiko?

[tepid vale]

donkey kong for the gamecube

[hot yoke]

Drums and a steering wheel
Sounds fun

[patent cedar]

That was it

[tepid vale]

good game, good controls
100% viable as a setup for hades

[patent cedar]

Just perfect

[hot yoke]

You seem to be the expert

[scarlet current]

that'll be the recommended setup for Orpheus DLC

[hot yoke]

So I don't question that

Spoilers kappa

[patent cedar]

OK... now time to try levelling up a single boon as much as possible

[hot yoke]

Does your dad work at supergiant games?

[scarlet current]

a travelling bard in the underworld, singing songs and earning coin

[jolly quartz]

Gotta say my easiest run so far was Athena call with a Artemis special on bow. Just point blank shooting everything.

[hot yoke]

Boom level racing

[scarlet current]

speaking of which, I'm only mildly upset that Hoarding is a benefit only found on Sword

[hot yoke]

Greed runs sound fun

Especially if you're just farming final shop for ||extra boss rewards||

[scarlet current]

yeah, I'm a chicken for higher heat so that's how I've been unlocking stuff

[hot yoke]

||If you start of with stuff like extreme measures or extra health on the enemies|| it's okay at first imo

I kinda wanna progress upwards instead of farming just for the sake idk

Bit I should be farming darkness

[scarlet current]

I just want a way to reliably get to 6666 Darkness

[patent cedar]

Why... why do you need that much?

[jolly quartz]

I've been trying to get a win with 8. But I probably should focus on upgrading my weapons first.

[hot yoke]

Because memes

[foggy zephyr]

I farmed Heat 0 for a while to get 10k Darkness for rerolls

[hot yoke]

It's hard
I want to level weapons but also try out new aspects

[scarlet current]

You need a fair bit of Darkness to unlock every possible thing that asks for it

and I'm nothing if not a completionist

[hot yoke]

I think the ||rerolls|| might be considered spoilerish

[jolly quartz]

As is the h word.

[foggy zephyr]

is it? It's just a mirror unlock

[hot yoke]

Well if you're a completionist higher heat should be on your list for the ||skelly statues||

Yes but a late one

But I'm no mod so idk

[jolly quartz]

Anything post run completion is spoiler.

[scarlet current]

considering this is a channel for newer players, anything that would be considered a spoiler in #h1-discussion
so most things past past the first run clear including final boss
I definitely unlocked far too much before reaching final boss for the first time

[tepid vale]

I'm pretty sure that no mirror unlock is really a spoiler
and you see it in the house contractor pretty early

[hot yoke]

Haha
I just wanted to beat that mofo

[scarlet current]

I was watching my friend play and he got to Elysium boss in his third run

[hot yoke]

Not the later once since they take quite a bit of keys

[scarlet current]

meanwhile it took me over a week to pass the first boss

[hot yoke]

But as I said
I'm not sure

Rip

But hey
Everyone at their own pace

[scarlet current]

this game is quite a genre shift for me, I don't normally do actiony games

[hot yoke]

I adapt to games pretty quick but take double as long to progress from average to actually somewhat good

I play mostly roguelikes/action games
Small brain
Puzzles no good xD

[scarlet current]

but of course I also have too much pride to turn on God Mode

[hot yoke]

Same xD

Gotta learn the hard way right

[patent cedar]

I was just unprideful enough to not care

[hot yoke]

More power to you

[patent cedar]

Well it's apparently impossible to only go a single boon run

[scarlet current]

why, can't you sell them off?

[patent cedar]

Oh yeah I could

I dumb lol

[jolly quartz]

I mostly play strategy games. Mainly turn based. With some rpg and fps tossed in there. I like rogue likes but they normally don't hold my attention long due to the grind. But Hades has thanks to the progression of new dialogue and such. Though I am starting to loose that some it seems.

[hot yoke]

Turn based games kill me

[patent cedar]

I could just keep them if it's not possible to level them up though

[scarlet current]

I like filling up the Codex

[hot yoke]

I tried war groove and saw it was a good game but couldn't get past the like 8th level or something

Well have fun with perfect catches

Only got one so far

[scarlet current]

[candid nimbus]

You actually might have more perfect catches then you think, as it's only 5% for legendary

[jolly quartz]

Still haven't fully figured out the fishing. I seem to always get the same like five things.

[candid nimbus]

within 0.34 seconds, perfect catch - 5% for legendary guaranteed rare

[scarlet current]

aren't there only three possible things per area?

[candid nimbus]

I believe so

Legendary-Rare-Common

[hot yoke]

I think I got my first legendary last run

[tepid vale]

You actually might have more perfect catches then you think, as it's only 5% for legendary
it says "perfect catch" in huge letters across the top of the screen when you get one. it's hard to miss

[patent cedar]

Unlike the legendary

[candid nimbus]

Oh I never look at that...

[lyric forge]

I'm fairly convinced that 5% number is not correct.

The legendaries are not as common as the rares on a perfect catch but gut feeling says I get them WAY more than 5%.

[patent cedar]

Multiple people have said 5% now so it seems like it's true

[tepid vale]

yeah, the legendary is a lot more common than one in twenty on a perfect catch

[patent cedar]

I don't know for sure though

[candid nimbus]

That's what wiki says though, which I believe was from code? but dunno

Not sure when it was last updated

[lyric forge]

I'd have wagered like 20% or so.

[hot yoke]

Wiki is a bit outdated though

[patent cedar]

What is the chance to get rare in a normal catch?

Because I have gotten so many charps compared to chlams

[visual quartz]

I have two fast Question on the Experts here. I finished my 22 Run. I came now to the endboss 6-7 times in a row. My Fights against him get slowly better but its hard and i never won.

First Question. Is it possible to save before the Endboss fight and pretty much close the came when you see that you lose? I dont want to cheat the game but i think i would just need a few tries in a row to practice him.

Second Question. I really have big issues with the poison in the last Level. Specially with the sword. Do you guys have any advice how to better deal with that?