with the crystal cast beams
#h1-for-new-players
rose ravine
tiny leaf
ah yes. the biggest weakness. SLooow
urban hound
What aspect should I use with it
rose ravine
get close and burst his ass
urban hound
Any u recommend @tiny leaf
rose ravine
chiron for more shots, zagreus is also ok
tiny leaf
well you could always do omega cheese and use ice cast with slow from demetres and shield to block most damage
if you don't care about doing a 1 hour run that is
rose ravine
ice cast does alot of dmg to stationary bosses
urban hound
So aspect of Demeter is great on fists ?
so every 12 hits I get a extra boost to my special attack @tiny leaf ?
tiny leaf
yep, but honestly i also like the zag aspect.
sly vigil
Demeter is really solid. S tier imo.
urban hound
I’ll try Demeter
tiny leaf
honestly i think the hammer really gets better once you nail a good hammer upgrade. i for one once i get that 900% armor pen on the dash attack, it just becomes the dream
rose ravine
gonna try the shield next
sacred apex
Can i give a gift to the question mark guy in elysium?
green epoch
||is there a way to tell which door in the temple leads to Cerberus' food?||
candid nimbus
Nope it's all RNG, doors ||2-5||
green epoch
Ok thx
candid nimbus
it will never show up on the first one, so it's one of those after*
leaden whale
it will never show up on the first one, so it's one of those after*
@candid nimbus thank you man
candid nimbus
? Ah 👍
urban hound
@tiny leaf failed the run with fits 😳
tiny leaf
ooof
silent trail
Question: what counts as an encounter?? It seems impossible to trigger Lament's Bloom during the final stage cage fights but those should be encounters because items from Charons well will go down in time.
candid nimbus
So plume and butterfly keepsakes will only count the final Styx room
while most other items will count the small rooms
silent trail
Ah. Makes sense. but there's no way to know that in game?
candid nimbus
final styx room in each path*
Other than experience I don't think so
but those 2 are the only ones I can think of atm that have that function
urban hound
In order of worst to best what’s the best weapons ?
candid nimbus
Personal preference tbh
obsidian rain
Apparently the bow is meta but I can never get a feel for it
candid nimbus
Shield is a bit safer since you can block things
but it really depends what you really click with
obsidian rain
My faves are the spear, sword, and shield but depends on your play style and build
candid nimbus
All the weapons are pretty balanced
silent trail
My favorite is shield (zues) , spear and bow. Best is a subjective term haha
I define best as what can I mix it up with the most to do fun and surprising things with even if my dps isn't the highest. Big numbers don't get me excited, unique interactions do
Which is probably why zues shield and the bow where you load in soul bloodstones are my favorite. Really cool interactions
@candid nimbus do Plume and and butterfly have a cap?
daring oracle
I’ve gotten up to the mid-20s or low 30s with plume
silent trail
I can never play another run after this one. That dodge build is insane.
silent trail
Just did that on accident. With the dual boon to slow down projectiles. Holy crap
candid nimbus
All you need is Artemis duo for crit on deflect 
silent trail
Question. Is codex entry for posiden's Rip Current correct? Only need posiden's aid?
I've done 8 runs in a row with posiden's aid early on, only hunting posiden and haven't seen it once. could be bad luck.
fossil bluff
How do I advance past the locked hearts 
silent trail
Thanks. Last god fate I need
silent trail
Just keep playing @fossil bluff . Some will give you a fate quest some take time
candid nimbus
Some favours require multiple people
fossil bluff
Yea
fossil bluff
Thanks !
candid nimbus
Good luck!
fossil bluff
I’m doing hypnos, Achilles and Patroclus rn so
I figured for hyp I have to level Thanatos..?
fossil bluff
Like I have those 3 at locked
candid nimbus
As in the end you want ||to get something from Asterius which requires death to Asterius and Theseus.... ||
fossil bluff
So it’s like after he asks or before?
fossil bluff
Ahh ok
candid nimbus
but it may require some death LOL
candid nimbus
I believe so
candid nimbus
As for Ach and Pat, that's going to be RNG
candid nimbus
Need to get their favour
Which is similar to some other characters, which you can probably guess
fossil bluff
I literally played for hours just to give pat some nectar
candid nimbus
The wiki might have more specifics on Hypnos' favour
daring oracle
I maxed out Cerberus relationship because he’s a good boy
fossil bluff
Also I heard that you have to give ambrosia to chars after the unlocked heart?
fossil bluff
Ah time to save then
candid nimbus
Once it unlocks, the next run (or that same one?) you give Ambrosia
Ambrosia... once you get into the thick of things you'll need a lot
lyric forge
You'll get a ton more, don't worry.
candid nimbus
You got this, good luck!
daring oracle
I gave away my first 10 ambrosia for blood
fossil bluff
I’ve only been playing for 2 days anyway idk why I expected things to go faster lmao
daring oracle
And I still am swimming in ambrosia
lyric forge
There's a few things that need a lot of Ambrosia, but I've given away about 10-15 over the course of the game for blood and still had more than enough ambrosia for everything.
fossil bluff
I’m really story focused so that’s my priority basically
Glad to know it won’t be super hard lol
fossil bluff
Nah I like it tbh
daring oracle
Any benefit to the cosmetic stuff in the renovations?
candid nimbus
Lounge has significance
fossil bluff
The pool in ur room tells u some stats
silent trail
Anyway to see requirements of Daedleus upgrades similar to boons??
fossil bluff
Aren’t they fated choices so you could probably see them that way
candid nimbus
but does that upgrade not let you see? oof
silent trail
Any of them work with any of them? None eliminate the others??
daring oracle
Dusa is adorable.
silent trail
Truth @daring oracle .
tight cedar
btw how do i get summons
do i need to consistently gift/increase my bond with an NPC or
candid nimbus
Specific peeps yeah
And you'll have to do a favour/hit RNG dialogue to fully build bonds
modern bridge
does anyone recommend here to give your nectars too
ive been speading them out a bit
didnt know if there was a person who is giving better benefits upfront. ive not beaten the game yet
lavish gazelle
Cerberus, Hypnos, Skelly, and whichever gods have your favorite boons
modern bridge
ok
kind breach
chaos item seems good
lavish gazelle
You want all of them eventually, I don't think there are any keepsakes that no build ever wants
daring oracle
What unlocks the heart for Hades? ||do I have to beat him a set number of times? Unlock enough stuff?||
misty fog
reach the credits then talk with him until it unlocks
faint umbra
please spoiler tag that! @misty fog
kind breach
not gonna read that
quasi rover
I have unlocked all weapons now, so I suspect to get Aspects after my next run. But I really don't know what keepsakes to get or what to upgrade next in the mirror I have Death Defiant Rank 2, I guess I could go for Rank 3 but that is quite expensive
rough badge
Does "Rarity" like Yarn of Ariadne give a greater chance for Duo Boons?
restive spoke
I have unlocked all weapons now, so I suspect to get Aspects after my next run. But I really don't know what keepsakes to get or what to upgrade next in the mirror I have Death Defiant Rank 2, I guess I could go for Rank 3 but that is quite expensive
@quasi rover 1000 darkness is not hard to earn
5 runs at max could get u 1000 darkness
First win also gets u 1000 darkness
Level up the coin purse and evergreen acorn keepsake
If u have them
They are extremely helpful
uneven belfry
How am I supposed to kill These and the Minotaur without dying 3 times with a non ranged weapon ? :')
mild orchid
with some luck and rerolling you can get about 1k darkness in one run
daring oracle
Shield
dense laurel
get darker thirst, repeat higher heat and spam for chaos loot buffs so u can get like a lot of darkness in 1 run
restive spoke
How am I supposed to kill These and the Minotaur without dying 3 times with a non ranged weapon ? :')
@uneven belfry get familiar with bull’s attacks pattern
Focus bull first
uneven belfry
I kill him first, he's the easiest
restive spoke
Spam dodge or hind behind pillars when Theseus is about to throw the spear
uneven belfry
But Thesee and its blocks and divine help is really hard for me
restive spoke
Tips for Theseus/Minotaur (Elysium/Biome 3):
Focus down Minotaur first. Minotaur telegraphs his attacks via a "windup" animation. Either get away from him, or get the timing down so that you are in dodge invincible frames animation when he swings. His go-to is a two swing + leap combo, "just time it" is the best I can offer. He's vulnerable after the leap. He also telegraphs his charge-at-you attack, which you need to avoid by dodging through a pillar to make him hit the pillar instead. It can be a bit tricky since sometimes you dodge through a pillar but he sorta sideswipes it and continues to hit you. Again, he's vulnerable for a few seconds after his charge, get in some swings there. Never stop dodging.
Focus on Theseus second. Generally while you kill Minotaur, Theseus will be off doing his own thing chucking his spear at you (you'll hear a beep-beep and see a target icon, you sorta just have to keep dashing and "time it" to dodge the spear + return animation. Most of the time Theseus is on the opposite side of the map, but if you get close, Theseus will charge up a spin-attack which you'll have to dodge using invincibility frames or get away from in terms of range. At ~50% HP, Theseus will turn into Phase 2 Theseus where he calls upon the Gods to damage you (literally just circles on the ground that follow you). Good time to hit Theseus since he's attack-able from all sides (normally Theseus is invulnerable from the front, except when he throws his spear). I just facetank the damage while spamming dodge if I'm healthy enough, and Theseus generally dies in the middle of his god-summon animation or shortly afterwards.
mild orchid
kill the bull, if you're having too much trouble with Theseus take it slow, learn his attacks and kite with projectiles as a last resort
restive spoke
Theseus and minotaur:
Focus on Asterius. He'll (pretty much) just stand there and let you beat on him from behind. His attack sequence is a one-two swing with his axe, which does reach slightly behind him. Once he swings, he will usually jump towards you and slam the ground with his axe (which has a deceptively long hitbox in front of him, so you'll want to be behind him when he lands) three times. If he only jumps once, watch out – he will turn around and repeat the one-two swing, this time with no windup. Once you get him down to half HP his jump-slam will shoot projectiles in front of him and to both sides, and he will occasionally jump towards you without swinging first. He will also occasionally send out projectiles behind him after swinging, which replaces the jump-slam combo.
Theseus is pretty simple. During the entire fight he will throw his spear at you, which has a long windup indicated by a hovering crosshair over Zag, and a tone. After he recalls the spear, he will turn and walk away, during which time you can beat on him from behind. If he instead walks towards you, he will dash towards you with a quick spin attack, which hits twice, pretty hard. Once he gets down to half HP, he'll stand still, with his shield down, letting you whale on him. Don't stand in the glowy circles. Once he gets back on the ground, he will return to his prior attack sequence. This time, don't stand in the glowy circles while avoiding his attacks and beating on him from behind.
*Asterius can charge at you. If he does, lure him into a wall or pillar.
*If Asterius kneels, he is going to throw Theseus at you, probably. It's extremely buggy and slow unless they start right on top of each other, so it's pretty easy to avoid. Hide behind a pillar if you want, but once you're more familiar with the attack, you can pretty much ignore it.
*If you have a high-DPS build, just attack Theseus. Asterius will walk over to you, so you can damage/kill him for free.
Theseus is really easy if bull is dead
Stay away from him so he doesn’t use the spin
Dodge his spear throw
mild orchid
should this maybe be in pins instead of walls of text in the channel?
restive spoke
Then dash in to do damage
Then dash out
@uneven belfry read those two walls of text
It’ll help
restive spoke
Yep no problem gl
severe adder
smol question what should I unlock with diamonds in the house contractor first out of the high tier items 
?
crystal crescent
work orders are usually higher priority since they make your life easier when doing a run
otherwise, go nuts
that funky disco skull in the lounge is pretty neat
skull icon indicates it's a miniboss fight, which either entails fighting an actual miniboss, or possibly a bunch of regular enemies with armor
yes
severe adder
oh I mean these uh darker thirst, vintage nectar etc stuffs
crystal crescent
in the case of things like darkness, gemstones, keys, you get double the usual amount
if you see it on a god boon, you get improved rarity for your choices
leaden whale
Oh neat, I didn't know about better rarity chances for skull rooms
severe adder
is there a boon tier 
?
sage zinc
hiii everyonee, im news so im discovering some things in this game xD my english not very good so i ll try to be clear.
when u start a run with the extra boons that increase dificulty (+dmg/mobs,etc) and give " extra rewards " if i " overtake " boons ( for examples, if i go with 2, i got new rewards, and i put like 5 for example ) do the run give me the rewards for doing it with 2, then with 3m with 4 and then with 5? or only the one with 2? ( that is the " full heat bar ")
crystal crescent
so each boss in the underworld has a "bounty" (titan blood for furies, diamond for lernean bone hydra, ambrosia for theseus/asterius, titan blood for [REDACTED]). Once you beat them, you cannot earn these bounties again. However, you can claim these bounties again by fighting these bosses with higher heat. Each higher heat level you beat them at, you can collect the bounty again, but only if you completely finish the run
@severe adder Each god has certain boons that only show up if you have specific boons it can upgrade (for instance, the boon that boosts deflection damage you get from athena only appears if you have a boon that can deflect attacks). In that regard, there are boon tiers. On that note, each god has a legendary boon that is tier 3, which means you would need one or more tier 2 boon from that god before you can get it
severe adder
oh like purple and gold and red tier sort of stuffs ?
is gold tier or red tier higher though
crystal crescent
no, those are rarities. Each boon becomes increasingly strong from common to rare to epic to heroic
lavish gazelle
common boons aren't necessarily useless, there are some that are still very effective at common
mild orchid
orange > red
I mean just in quality, you can't go from one to the other except for weapon aspects
divine dash common > most heroics
lavish gazelle
there are also ways to upgrade rarity later
shell elbow
how do i get good with bow? normal attack seems way too slow to do good dps, and special isnt that good either. only reason i have ever got a clear with it is because STORY SPOILERS ||was 10th run and got to skip the hades fight||
lavish gazelle
the coin purse from Hypnos is good to start with, then switch to what you need when you get to Asphodel
that combined with the money upgrade from the mirror lets you start a run with 250g
rugged inlet
Bow is kind of dependent on boons you get. For example, getting your special to proc hangover, and then applying all 5 stacks on enemies by shooting point-blank
Also, Hera aspect for the bow is extremely high damage, especially if you mix it with a good boon for you special and load up 3 casts at once
lavish gazelle
depends, if you have all 4 god slots full, it's just one boon from that god, if not, it guarantees that god will fill the next slot
rugged inlet
Incidentally, I just posted a screen from a bow run in the #h1-victory-boasting , it was absolutely insane damage
jolly wagon
For keepsakes I like to start with with a God keepsake to push my build in the direction I want. Switch to hypnos coin purse for Asphodel to buy stuff. Then switch to Cerberus collar
rugged inlet
Lucky tooth and acorn are also good keepsakes for extra safety on the last push
lavish gazelle
feather duster is also underappreciated, i guess people see a 3% chance and tune out, but there are a lot of urns
cerberus collar is of course better for bosses though
rugged inlet
Feather duster is pretty nice. Pretty consistently gives you 10 hp per room
candid nimbus
That's a fine play
I sometimes forget I have no money and walk into those shops xD
It's super RNG, really if you want to risk
If you have money and don't want to fight something
also if you're trying to go fast
Mid-biome shops also have a nifty thing
lyric forge
Rule of thumb: unless you are in dire need of health (either max or current), really want what's offered as athe alternative or are tight on a timer, enter the shop if you can afford a boon otherwise skip.
At least that's how I handle the shops mostly.
rugged inlet
I think of it this way - Charon shop always has a boon, plus possible healing or other goods (poms, gems). Plus, you don't have to do another encounter and risk losing hp. Meaning, if I have money, it's going to be quicker and safer to go to the shop, as opposed to doing a room for a boon reward - unless I'm saving money for later
vale mist
You know I should not have started on Hell Mode. Enemies are so spongey.
lyric forge
Hell Mode is called that for a reason.
vale mist
It's just kinda boring. Everything just takes forever to die.
lavish gazelle
with the mirror upgrades, you start with 100 gold, and can start with a further 150 from the coin purse, which makes Tartarus shops a lot more useful
without anything to give you starting gold, it's better to skip them though
lyric forge
If you have the mirror upgrade you should be able to afford a boon from the Tartarus shop in any case (unless you splurge on a well). Coin Purse I often take but usually later, in the early biomes I'll very much prefer a god keepsake to get the build running.
lavish gazelle
I've been starting with the coin purse and trying to only fill 3 slots whenever possible, is that suboptimal?
basically gives me a bit more information when picking a god
lyric forge
It's perfectly fine to do it that way, I just like having a good boon early on.
severe adder
what's the best early weapon's fury to spend titan blood on ? I suck so hard at this game 
I just buy random stuffs with it I didn't know it's so rare
quasi rover
I just unlocked the Weapon Aspect. Which one would you recommend to get first?
rugged inlet
Which weapon do you like the most, Raven?
lyric forge
Before last patch I'd have said Chaos Shield without a doubt but that one is weird now.
topaz tundra
whats the deal with the chaos shield? i was using it and it was fine
pulsar frigate
what playstyle do you prefer
severe adder
what is the more reliable aspect that people usually beat the game with ?
lyric forge
It used to be different. The bonus shields would scatter 360° around you instead of being shotgunned forward and they could bounce once. It was fantastic to distribute Hangover across an entire room.
topaz tundra
oh, forgot it was like that
lyric forge
It's not a bad aspect, far from it, I very much appreciated the old one though.
You can beat the game with essentially anything, Bronya.
severe adder
how does Chaos shield fare with the Blitz one ?
I am not very good at pressing buttons though so I probably just get the cheesiest way to do it
lyric forge
Zeus aspect shield is a bit of an oddball, but works pretty fine.
severe adder
will titan's blood be more abundant later on?
lyric forge
If I had to pick something I'd probably get one of the fist aspects. Demeter maybe.
You'll get enough to afford anything you'd want, there's a chunk of prophecies that can give you a bucketload as well.
severe adder
ah tyty
lyric forge
Also you can get an essentially limitless amount from the Broker and / or at the last shop, although that takes a while. Prophecies and bounties should be enough to max out everything though.
fossil bluff
i just poured my stuff into the sword
rugged inlet
I kinda like chaos like it is, though. Great for putting 5 stacks of hangover on a single target at once
lyric forge
If I had a choice I'd take the old Chaos aspect in a heartbeat, no question, but the new one is fine as well. It's not dead or anything, just imo not as good as it was before.
mild mist
The broker has some good stuff sometimes
like he had 1 titan blood for 15 keys
absolute worth
rugged inlet
I'd say a lot of those daily deals are pretty good
Even the 1 blood for 200 gems in the early game
lyric forge
Isn't it the other way around? 200 gems for 1 blood?
Because that is terrible early on.
verbal badger
what are good one point wonder aspects
restive spoke
Nemesis
Have u seen that thing
The bow aspect where u put cast into ur next shot. That one is also a good one point wonder
I’d also argue hades aspect bc of the radius increase and extra 30% damage
But that ones a little bit of a stretch
But I had a good time with level 1 hades
@verbal badger
clear arrow
is there a way to get chamber count on the screen when youre playing?
quasi rover
Well, I like the Fists the most I think. The Shield and Sword are also nice. Bow is also not bad.
rugged inlet
@lyric forge pay 1 blood for 200 gems. "early on" meaning on like, run 5, cause you still can't use the blood, but 200 gems will go a long way in getting fountains and gold urns
lyric forge
That's a very fringe case but I don't necessarily disagree with that. Still think that you're better off keeping the blood early but you can do that, yeah.
quasi rover
I don't get the Nemesis Aspect on the Bow tbh
verbal badger
i would keep the blood over the gems, blood is a lot harder to get
lyric forge
Which one you mean, Raven? Chiron?
quasi rover
Oh sorry
Hera
Chiron is pretty simple but I think you need to level that one up higher
I have only 4 Titan Blood
verbal badger
ty for the help @restive spoke
hera is good with the dio cast and ares cat i think
lyric forge
Chiron is either maxed or close to maxed or you don't really bother. It's one of the few aspects that make you actively worse unless you invest a lot.
verbal badger
but i havent tried it out yet
quasi rover
I also like the Magnetic thing on the Fists but I have no idea how many levels you need for that to be good
rugged inlet
Magnetic is pretty good out of the box
restive spoke
No problem
lyric forge
Talos works fine immediately, it just gets better with increased rank.
rugged inlet
The bonus damage it gives is nice, but not necessary
restive spoke
@verbal badger watch Jawless Paul’s video on one point wonders
He talked about it
If u buy level 1 talos for the extra damage
Why not just go for hades on the spear
quasi rover
They nerfed the aspects pretty badly, didn't they? I didn't play Early Access but they seemed a lot more powerful in the videos I watched. Maybe they were just higher level though.
lyric forge
Most of the aspects didn't really change much.
Chaos aspect is the only one that's really different to before.
quasi rover
I think my frontrunner are Aspect of Talos, Hera and Nemesis. Even though I still don't understand Hera but I read that it's supposed to be really good
lyric forge
Hera is one of the aspects I really don't like much personally. It's fine and all but I very rarely run it, it's mostly a delivery tool for Ares / Dio cast that doesn't really do much else, really.
restive spoke
They nerfed the aspects pretty badly, didn't they? I didn't play Early Access but they seemed a lot more powerful in the videos I watched. Maybe they were just higher level though.
@quasi rover nah they didn’t nerf em a lot
What level is ur aspects
quasi rover
I have only 1 shard anyways and no aspect to support it
brisk olive
The mirrors supports are worth it works for bosses too bonus damage is bonus damage
quasi rover
So you need mirror upgrades to make that good, right?
brisk olive
Yeah 😊
quasi rover
I see
Then the aspect is probably not good for a beginner
That leaves me with Talos and Nemesis or something I haven't thought of yet
lavish gazelle
The cast mirror upgrade is very quick to max
lyric forge
Nemesis is something you should really grab.
It's very good.
And functions perfectly fine even at base level.
lavish gazelle
The majority of the mirror can be maxed out early game in fact, the only thing that's really long term is the boon upgrades and Fated Authority/Persuasion
quasi rover
I would have to unlock the later upgrades on the mirror first
So far I only got Death Defiance 2 and Greater Reflexes
lavish gazelle
The first 8 can be unlocked with 15 keys, maxing those should be the main priority until you do
quasi rover
I unlocked all the weapons first but 15 keys is really not that much that is true
lavish gazelle
The remaining 4 are another 50 keys and thousands and thousands of darkness and are more of a long term project
quasi rover
So what would recommend I spend my 4 blood on then?
lyric forge
Nemesis is a definite go, it's cheap, straightforward to play and powerful.
Costs just one blood, and is giving you 15% crit chance, so the same as an Artemis attack boon.
quasi rover
and does it stack with artemis boon?
lavish gazelle
Hera bow is another good option that doesn't require much investment
quasi rover
I heard that is it
I just don't understand how that works
Because I have never used cast so far
And have only 1 crystal anyways
lavish gazelle
Your cast gets loaded into your attack, so 3 casts gives you an extra 150 damage
You can make that 3 casts for 100 darkness
quasi rover
oh really? but that is not in the first tier of the mirror, right?
lavish gazelle
Second tier, you just need 5 keys
Both upgrades in that tier make your cast infinitely better for dirt cheap
vast ravine
Yeah, with 2 additional casts (plus maybe others from, say, Chaos) and with up to 50% additional damage to enemies with casts stuck in them, Hera bow is amazing.
quasi rover
Ok so I guess I could get Nemesis, Hera and Talos all for one blood and could use them pretty well?
Is there another one I could get for 1 blood or is it better so save that?
lyric forge
Hera costs 2 I think, but you can afford all three.
severe adder
does the Charon's shop at Temple of Styx give Hermes's boon with upgraded rarity? The one with 500 gold?
silk hearth
I like Chiron bow a lot. However, it changes how you use the special, so if you have gotten used to the normal playstyle it might require some adjusting.
severe adder
which rarity will I get ?
vast ravine
All aspects are fun to play, really. Well, except for shield aspects because I don't like shield 
lyric forge
Chiron also sucks without a chunk of blood invested. One of the few aspects that actually makes you worse without significant investment.
Zeus aspect shield with Zeus boons on the special and something that chonks on the attack. Super fun.
quasi rover
I loke Chiron a ton but want to level it up more
Is the Chaos Shield good right away?
silk hearth
It only makes you worse if you can consistently hit a lot of your special shot with your normal bow. Which usually requires you to be really close, a drawback that Chiron doesn't have.
lyric forge
The special without the upgrades does basically nothing, just two hits for very little damage, but your regular special is suddenly worse. Not saying you can't play or enjoy it but it does make you worse.
silk hearth
Agree to disagree then.
verbal badger
what to spend diamondson?
silk hearth
Some events require you to buy stuff with them later, hold on to them for now.
Actually, do you have the fishing rod already? That one's definitely worth it.
quasi rover
Ok so I think I will get Nemesis and Talos for now. And once I upgraded my cast, Hera as well
Is it worth upgrading the cast before Death Defiance 3?
lyric forge
DD3 costs a fair chunk of darkness, while the cast talent is pretty cheap. I'd just grab it.
bitter scroll
hello do charon items stack ?
vast ravine
As far as diamonds go, don't buy music until you're sure you won't need to spend diamonds on other stuff. That's pretty much it.
vast ravine
Death Defiance 3 is good, but I feel like getting damage upgrades will help you more in the long run (and cost you way less darkness)
lyric forge
Also it's a process and it's gonna be a while before everything is settled, so the specific order of upgrades doesn't really matter much aside from not taking exclusively stupid stuff first.
It's essentially impossible to softlock the game.
solar pine
hi guys my friend gifted me the game saying that i'll enjoy it
and so far i gotta say
i am
it's just that i got surprised when i upgraded death defiance
first upgrade cost 50
second one costs 500
severe adder
yee because it's pretty strong
solar pine
it is ngl
verbal badger
3rd one costs 1000 lol
rugged inlet
Still not as bad as upgrading fated persuasion
solar pine
well i just got like my 2nd hour in the game
lyric forge
Each DD is essentially a 50% max life upgrade.
solar pine
pretty early for me to say much
quasi rover
yeah I think I should upgrade the mirror at least once and get some other upgraded
solar pine
wait i can upgrade the mirror?
quasi rover
don't really know which ones though. Dmg is a huge problem most of the time
Yes with keys
solar pine
oh you mean unlocking new perks
quasi rover
yes
solar pine
yeah i forgot about that one
quasi rover
In my last run it felt like I didn't even deal that much dmg to the normal enemies
I fought the Minotaur and beat him but it took ages
haughty rivet
guys to progress in the story you have to get closer to the other characters right?
patent narwhal
@uneven drift find a weapon you vibe with. no right or wrong answers really, since everyone has a different style. but pick one and learn it, and invest in it. you're not gonna run out of blood so don't think too hard on it
not sure if this is unlocked from the beginning so I'll spoiler it: ||you will be able to trade resources for other resources. there are lots of ways to earn blood but if they're too slow you can supplement them with that.||
white dew
Hi! Just joined. And speaking of blood, is there any way to undo blood purchases? I spent 2 blood making the aegis worse (the spinning shield special) and I just want the good special back
patent narwhal
@white dew no but you can freely change aspects between runs. Also, the spinning special rules but that's just my opinion lol
white dew
So can I change it back?
mild orchid
There's really no bad upgrade, but with limited resources it's better to pick one and stick with it
change it by clicking the aspect you want
restive spoke
So can I change it back?
@white dew yes
white dew
Oh that's nice
restive spoke
But the blood u spent u can’t get it back
white dew
That sucks but I guess I'll have to live with that
sucks that I'll have lost those forever though
I hear that I'll be hard limited to 6 for a long time
restive spoke
I hear that I'll be hard limited to 6 for a long time
@white dew 12
Until u get ur first win
white dew
12? I stop getting them after beating a fury with a weapon once though
restive spoke
But 12 is probably enough to upgrade one single aspect to the point where it makes a noticeable difference
12? I stop getting them after beating a fury with a weapon once though
@white dew if u beat the final boss, u get another blood
So two blood for each weapon, that’s 12
white dew
wait if I beat the final boss that's a win, right?
restive spoke
Yea
white dew
wait so is that all I can do in terms of farming?
vast ravine
If they beat the final boss, they're not capped anymore though.
restive spoke
Wait actually lmao ur right
vast ravine
So 6 is right.
white dew
Oh okay so when I beat the final boss I start getting them every time I kill a fury?
restive spoke
No
white dew
darn
mild orchid
I mean you could just throw all ur Ambrosia at it
restive spoke
U get one blood by killing fury, one for killing final boss
white dew
is ambrosia the green stuff
restive spoke
And that is for each weapon
is ambrosia the green stuff
@white dew don’t trade ambrosia for blood
Save it
Not worth
mild orchid
Let them discover it themselves probably, you'll get access to Pact of Punishment later
mild orchid
yeh I was kiddin
white dew
well, 10, since I was stupid
restive spoke
just 12?
@white dew spoilers for stuff after u get a win: ||u unlock difficulty modifiers which can give u a lot more blood to spend||
white dew
Oh I will
restive spoke
You’ll see once u get first win
rugged inlet
Without having to just rely on the trader, too
white dew
My first win is a while off. I've only made it to the minotaur twice
quasi rover
Is there a good level 1 aspect for the spear for only 1 or 2 blood?
white dew
so far I've done shield+3, shield into spinning special, and ammo to 16 for the gun
and I got my 5th blood half an hour ago
dunno what I'll spend that one on
silk hearth
I like the Hades aspect for spear a lot. Gives you a straight up damage buff on enemies you hit with your spin, and no downside.
Meaning you don't need to level it up to be worth it.
white dew
interesting
I wanna upgrade the shield more but I dunno if I can beat the hydra with it
vast ravine
There's also two additional ways of getting blood :
||- fishing in Chaos realm||
||- buying it from Charon in Styx for 1200 gold||
It might be a bit too slow for your taste, but trust me, you'll never be actually lacking for blood if you need some.
white dew
so far I've only beaten the hydra with the spear and gun and those have been painful
mild orchid
you can also grind for gemstones for literally forever to eventually buy out Blood at the broker
but that's a meme
mild orchid
you gotta use one, it's not an on or off thing
white dew
I figured it out
I thought they were all active by default
didn't think it was either or
mild orchid
that's why early on it's best to fully spec into one per weapon, kinda doesn't matter which none are useless
silk hearth
Yeah, it's only one of them. If you want the default weapon again select Zagreus' aspect at the top.
silk hearth
Well, default + whatever buffs you have gained from levelling that aspect up. But yes.
solar pine
wait all of this talk about something that's limited
do i have to worry about something?
patent narwhal
No you do not lol
mild orchid
it's not limited
silk hearth
No, you can get unlimited of every resource in this game.
mild orchid
you just get them slowly early on
silk hearth
It just might take a while.
white dew
It seems very hard to get for now yeah
mild orchid
especially if you're having trouble getting to higher chambers
but the best advice is to keep throwing yourself in until you get more skilled
white dew
eh I'm making it to the river every time now, the hydra is still painful but I've killed it three times
I dunno if I can beat the hydra with every weapon though
it's a real piece of work
thick hornet
Im just here to say
I love this game so much
💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
white dew
issa good game
cyan marten
I love this game
but the final fight
is making me so upset
It just feels so unfair
mild orchid
the more you do it the less unfair it will feel
cyan marten
Redacted keep spawning the wagons and the shield dudes
mild orchid
and when you do it you can get to make it as unfair as you want.
cyan marten
who keep staggering me
then I get hit by the waves
and then combo's for my entire hp bar
I just went into the fight with 3 defiances and skelly
still lost
Still a really fun game though
mild orchid
it's very heavy on progression in the hubworld so really the more you play the better
lone ingot
hi i have a question, what is the advantage of upgrading boon rarity during a run?
mild orchid
it makes the numbers better
silk hearth
Boons of higher rarity have better numbers.
mild orchid
retroactively too, if you leveled it up already
white dew
I've got a good handle on Meg, and I can beat Tisiphone pretty well, but Alecto still hurts me a lot. Just spent 2 death defies beating her, she's messed up
pulsar frigate
think of rarity as the base number that levels (poms) calculate off of
white dew
this run is so screwed
lone ingot
got ity, that makes sense
mild orchid
this run is so screwed
I thought this on a run and it turned out to be my first win, keep at it
pulsar frigate
trippy shot starts at 100 and increases by 60 (for 160) at level 2. with a rare trippy shot, you have a base 140 that increases by 60 (for 200) at level 2
levels are more common than rarity upgrades, but they also have diminishing returns. after a few levels, a rarity increase will usually be better than a level increase
noble trellis
I just unlocked aspects
how am I supposed to get those heart things to upgrade them
I have like 3
pulsar frigate
through beating the furies, prophecies, and trades (though i'd hold off on trades until you understand the economy a little better)
white dew
I regret it so much
mild orchid
trading for titan blood is no bueno regardless, so I'm told
pulsar frigate
at the moment, your best shot is clearing attempts
vast ravine
You get one for beating Fury and one for beating final boss for every weapon (after that, you only get darkness when doing it). You'll also eventually get ways to increase the difficulty which lets you get more blood. You can also get more from other things, all very visible once you come upon them.
vast ravine
Trading diamonds, ambrosia or blood away is usually not a good deal, even to get more diamonds, ambrosia or blood.
mild orchid
I haven't gotten to use ambrosia on anythin but people keep telling me to hold on to it idk
white dew
I'm gonna be salty about that zeus aspect until the end of my days
noble trellis
What should I upgrade on sword aspect
white dew
2 blood lost 😢
mild orchid
it's not lost just git gud 
white dew
bow is pretty cool
I started liking the bow a lot more when I realized you can get close to them and use the special to absolutely mess them up
noble trellis
I like gun
white dew
since when you're so close the spread all hits them
noble trellis
and sword is pretty fun too
silk hearth
Back in my day you had to clear the game with heat modifiers without any of those fancy aspects.
white dew
my favorite weapon is the shield
noble trellis
the gun special is really nice
vast ravine
You'll need over 40 ambrosia for one kind of thing (||high level relationship stuff||), then dozens more for another kind of thing (||upgrading what you got for getting high level relationships||) so do keep them for now.
white dew
I'm a big aegis gal
white dew
no ambrosia is the green gems
noble trellis
ohh
mild orchid
no
white dew
titan blood is the name of what you mean
mild orchid
ambrosia is big bottle
vast ravine
Ambrosia is the second bottle thing. Green gems are just gems.
vast ravine
(round bottle is nectar, elongated bottle is ambrosia)
noble trellis
how do I get more titan blood then after getting the initial 6
white dew
I dunno if I have any ambrosia
mild orchid
Ambrosia you "only" get from the Elysium boss
mild orchid
whoops
white dew
I haven't beaten them yet
mild orchid
and achievements n crapp
noble trellis
I cant beat the bull + guy boss
vast ravine
@noble trellis Beat the game, buy it from ||Charon in Styx||, trade it at the Broker (not recommended unless it's against common resources), or ||fish in Chaos realm||.
noble trellis
Idk if Im bad or something
white dew
It's funny, the minotaur/theseus fight feels more fair than the hydra, yet it's harder for me to beat them
vast ravine
How many runs have you done?
silk hearth
That boss is usually hard in the beginning, that's totally normal.
noble trellis
Idk maybe like 10?
silk hearth
The general advice is to focus the bull first, and hide behind the pillars to avoid the thrown spears.
white dew
10? And you made it to the minotaur
vast ravine
20-25 runs seems to be the average to beat the game for the first time, you're still on track with that.
vast ravine
Some people took literally over 70 tries to beat the game, so you'll be fine.
noble trellis
Can I check how many runs I have?
noble trellis
Ah
vast ravine
(although some only took 5 tries, but they're usually h4rdc0re g@m3rz)
mild orchid
20-25 does not sound like average
silk hearth
There's also the scrying pool you can buy from the contractor for your bedchambers. Interacting with it tells you how many runs you have.
noble trellis
What weapon did you guys use to beat the game?
white dew
Having an existential crisis at someone making it to the minotaur after 10 tries 
mild orchid
I feel like I'm doing pretty well and I'm at 35ish runs with 5 clears
visual glacier
Quick question that might be spoilery: ||Just found Meg in my chambers just now but she said a few words then left, did I mess something up or is this normal? I've been giving her Nectar only so far, will she come again eventually?||
silk hearth
I also agree with 20-25 sounding rather low for average.
vast ravine
@mild orchid Well, there's not been an official census (plus, given that a lot of people played before final boss was in, results of such a survey would be flawed), but whenever people ask, the answers seem to be roughly there.
silk hearth
@visual glacier normal story progression with ||Meg. Did she say something about taking some stuff with her? If so then it's the normal dialogue.||
mild orchid
what was pre-1.0 like when you got out? did it just end after ||cerberus||?
vast ravine
@visual glacier You can never mess something up on story, so don't worry.
silk hearth
No, it did end after ||The current final boss||.
visual glacier
That's lovely to know, thanks ♥ @vast ravine @silk hearth
silk hearth
You just ||didn't get to have more story afterwards||.
vast ravine
When early access began, Hydra was last boss (it was also way harder than right now, so people usually also took 20-25 tries to beat it). Then third boss was added, then eventually final boss.
silk hearth
I'm trying to keep even the spoiler tags somewhat low on spoilers because this is the new player channel.
white dew
Was right about the run being screwed, got messed up by the hydra
odd forge
Depending on your loadout, the Hydra can be surprisingly difficult [also depending on what the primary head is "set" to]. I still die to it every so often, after 100 runs.
odd forge
If I have a deflect-heavy setup, it's usually trivial; but I've been trying out different weapons etc recently, and a lot of them just die [or lose several DDs] at Lernie.
white dew
is there anything other than more projects to spedn diamonds on?
it wants 2 diamonds for more projects to be unlocked
dunno if that's worth it
mild orchid
you'll get a ton more projects later, save your diamonds
yes unlock it
progression good
white dew
Wait you just said two different things
mild orchid
you need to upgrade to get the new projects
didn't know which u meant at first
so yes spned daimond
odd forge
Does anything on the deluxe House Contractor actually need to be built for progression proper?
white dew
I wonder if Zag and Meg are like ex-lovers
getting that vibe from some of this dialogue
noble trellis
I just checked
Im at 12 attempts
How am I supposed to get stronger to beat the game
white dew
you're already great if you're making it to the third boss after 12 tries lol
took me 24 I'm pretty sure
don't worry about it
vast ravine
Experience. You know the patterns, you know the boons, you know how stuff might synergize.
Mirror, keepsake, weapon aspects will also help and those you build up over time.
restive spoke
How am I supposed to get stronger to beat the game
@noble trellis experience
Also meta progression like mirrors keepsake aspects
mild orchid
the way I did it was keep mashing buttons until it works, then learn when to mash which buttons
white dew
recently got my second death defy which I think will help me a lot
mild orchid
death defy will be huge yeah
white dew
I need to get better at actually using my casts
it's a mechanic I basically ignore a lot of my runs
candid nimbus
Do a cast build, it'll force you to git gud with casts xD
noble trellis
I still dont know which boons to take etc
I just take the ones that sound the best
mild orchid
how far down the mirror are you?
there's some pretty useful damage upgrades on there
candid nimbus
Ah, ||boiling blood/abyssal blood|| will give you motivation to use cast more, part of mirror
restive spoke
it's a mechanic I basically ignore a lot of my runs
@white dew that’s what I did too
Don’t worry once u get boiling blood
You’ll be actively using cast
mild orchid
though boiling blood should just be better I assume
restive spoke
To utilize that extra little damage
white dew
My boiling blood is fully upgraded lol
mild orchid
"little"
restive spoke
And by little I mean 40%
white dew
I'm at 50%
mild orchid
40% is the curse one
restive spoke
50? I must’ve forgotten the numbers
candid nimbus
I like abyssal blood
restive spoke
But yes that is quite a lot of damage bro
So use ur cast
Especially on tanky foes
And bosses
white dew
My first pick is Dionysus this time, I don't think that's ever happened before
mild orchid
Stuff like dionysus festive fog does make boiling blood useless right?
white dew
I can get my attack to inflict hangover, my special to inflict hangover, or make my cast into the festive fog
candid nimbus
It does, but you get compensated for high damage cast
restive spoke
My first pick is Dionysus this time, I don't think that's ever happened before
@white dew however keep in mind dio, ares, cast
Makes boiling blood useless
mild orchid
(they don't got demeter yet I think)
white dew
I picked the special buff
restive spoke
Nice
I generally avoid taking dio cast
Unless I am confident in my dps
Dio casts has high raw numbers but you lose boiling blood
noble trellis
What aspect should I upgrade on the gun
candid nimbus
Eris is nice
pulsar frigate
eris is great
restive spoke
Eris is great
candid nimbus
You can test out aspects with the give up trick, do you know of it?
pulsar frigate
hestia needs more than one upgrade to get viable, at low levels it's not that good but at max is absolutely amazing
paper imp
If I equip the keepsake of Hermès I’m guaranteed to get a Hermès boom first right
pulsar frigate
zag is good for spread fire 
candid nimbus
Nope
paper imp
And then I can change it after Meg?
candid nimbus
Hermes keepsake is different
vast ravine
Hestia is great. Enemies melt at max level.
candid nimbus
It actually ||Gives accumulative attack speed and dodge chance for clearing encounters quick||
restive spoke
He has different mechanics
vast ravine
Hermes keepsake is useless if you don't keep it, since you'll lose its effect. It does not give a Hermes boon in any way.
restive spoke
It actually ||Gives accumulative attack speed and dodge chance for clearing encounters quick||
@candid nimbus isn’t it just dodge chance now
paper imp
Oh dang he’s my favorite I wanted free boons from him
pulsar frigate
hermes is not treated like a traditional olympian, mechanically (usually, anyways)
candid nimbus
Oh is it?
restive spoke
I think so not sure tho
pulsar frigate
he acts more like a hammer/boon hybrid
mild orchid
Hermes keepsake is useless if you don't keep it, since you'll lose its effect. It does not give a Hermes boon in any way.
iirc the effect does persist if you take it off later
pulsar frigate
like if a hammer could talk to you
candid nimbus
Effect goes away
pulsar frigate
nope, hermes' keepsake does not keep the bonuses after you take it off
paper imp
That’s so sad I gave him my potion for n o t h ing
mild orchid
wack
I thought there was an achievement for getting stacks on both "quick room clear" keepsakes in a run
candid nimbus
You can take that one 
white dew
I'm torn between picking ocean's bounty since it's so early, and picking flood shot which will be a bigger mechanical help to this run in particular
paper imp
Well is this a resources run or do you want to get as far as possible
vast ravine
You've not beaten the game yet, go with survivability.
white dew
yeah that's what I gotta figure out
restive spoke
^
white dew
so flood shot?
vast ravine
Eeyup.
white dew
wait doesn't that make boiling blood useless?
candid nimbus
Can still stick, no?
white dew
I don't remember
candid nimbus
Casts that don't stick into enemies don't work with boiling blood
That one should still stick if I recall, it sometimes misses for me though
vast ravine
Casts that don't stick are usually powerful enough to compensate the lack of boiling blood effect.
pulsar frigate
flood shot sticks
only crystal beam, slicing shot, and trippy shot explicitly do not stick
candid nimbus
Aside from duos of course
pulsar frigate
flood shot is an aoe so if you don't directly hit an enemy, you'll still damage it but it won't stick
restive spoke
One drops a crystal, one drops a rotating blade, one drops a toxic bomb
So yea
The rest sticks
white dew
the spear is very fun
I just spam special
Hmmm
picked the rarity upgrade from eurydice, doesn't seem very impactful
I don't know why I wouldn't pick the pom porridge every time
silk hearth
There's more, keep playing.
silk hearth
Unless you fill them back up in between.
white dew
shoulda picked the pom porridge, I just wanted to try something different
silk hearth
Honestly, all of her options are ok. You can't really go too wrong there.
daring oracle
Huzzah! I got the credits.
white dew
hydra is also bad
flat cypress
mostly because of lava
white dew
but I can beat it most of the time now
flat cypress
i hate lava
oak fog
i hate lava so much
analog raptor
me too
silk hearth
If you don't deal enough damage, then another option is to play safe and learn to avoid their damage.
white dew
I try
silk hearth
Takes longer and is more boring, but definitely works.
silk hearth
How often have you fought them so far?
white dew
three times
silk hearth
Oh, that's no problem then. You will get better once you fight them more often. Being able to see their attack patterns and all that.
white dew
I dunno how they could possibly be beat with melee weapons
I have to stay so far away to not immediately die
So I don't wanna go there with most of the weapons
silk hearth
Are you focussing the bull first? That's usually the best strategy for safety.
silk hearth
Then you can stand far away from Theseus behind a pillar to not get hit by his spears.
There's also a sound when he charges up his spear throw move and a crosshair icon appears on Zagreus.
white dew
How can you ever kill Atrius with a melee weapon though? I felt like I might have a chance with a spear but there's no way to get close enough to strike it without taking ridiculous damage
silk hearth
From there you only need to learn how to fight the bull, and that is mostly experience. The best tip is to stay behind him. Use dashes to stay behind him until he briefly stops then get one or two hits in.
balmy prawn
I keep getting to the last boss and dying to his second phase
Everything else goes pretty much smoothly, but just that last phase ruins everything
restive spoke
How can you ever kill Atrius with a melee weapon though? I felt like I might have a chance with a spear but there's no way to get close enough to strike it without taking ridiculous damage
@white dew it’s easy to do when u are familiar with his patterns
He has pretty obvious wind ups for his attacks
white dew
kind of weird how the first time you get there it's just the minotaur and then Theseus shows up
dunno why they made it like that
pine schooner
He strikes twice then does his leap at you, dash away from the leap/shockwave, then dash in for some strikes. Hit him with casts while keeping distance too.
restive spoke
kind of weird how the first time you get there it's just the minotaur and then Theseus shows up
@white dew bull can be a mini boss
Sometimes u encounter him sometimes u don’t
If u beat him as a mini boss, he has less health later on the actual boss fight
white dew
didn't feel like a miniboss lol, I think he killed me the first time
white dew
Yeah I don't like the mooks there
big health bars and you gotta kill the spirits quickly
bad region
white dew
hopefully yeah
betting the final one will be even worse lol
every enemy will be a miniboss
dense oxide
leaden whale
Which final area
steady minnow
aight so i just started playing and the games neat so far, but is my player model supposed to disappear when attacking/dodging? Cause Im getting a bit disoriented by it lmao
hallow bane
is it just me or does the rocket launcher thing targeting keep going off
ill target it in one place and it will just go all the way to somewhere else sometimes
waxen hornet
it does that when you aim at something with an obstacle in btw
so when you try to hit something while hiding behind a pillar, it bounces off the pillar and lands on the back
pulsar frigate
(trippy shot also works that way as well)
spark adder
I love Sisyphus he's just such a good dude
leaden whale
what's the ideal weapon for ||the hydra|| for you guys? i've been losing so much
leaden whale
i use the shield the most because it helps me ||get past meg, but on the hydra|| it isnt really good,,
and also, both of them i guess 😆
placid frigate
hows your mirror?
vestal wedge
what's the ideal weapon for ||the hydra|| for you guys? i've been losing so much
@leaden whale ran it the same, then got Charon bow aspect and never looked back at it. You need Artemis trinket too
terse thistle
If you outrange the hydra it cant do much to you
If you're using close range try to go for short bursts of damage before his head slam
leaden whale
@leaden whale ran it the same, then got Charon bow aspect and never looked back at it. You need Artemis trinket too
@vestal wedge what does the charon bow aspect do? how do u get it
placid frigate
you need titan blood from beating bosses with different weapons
vestal wedge
Unlock all the weapons, collect titan blood, unlock aspects
placid frigate
it makes the bow spread(Q) auto track who you smacked last.
vestal wedge
Thus making it more reliable as a single-target boss-melter
placid frigate
especially with dio special
vestal wedge
placid frigate
Dusa needs all the hugs
leaden whale
i see thank u
do you need to do any specific things to get the charon one or does it come eventually?
noble trellis
How does aspect of eris work on the gun
maiden narwhal
There's a gun ?
placid frigate
nope first 3 are free
noble trellis
do I need to get hit by my own special
noble trellis
Dont I take damage then?
pulsar frigate
nope
noble trellis
Ah ok
placid frigate
fourth have sidequest
vestal wedge
Guys, unlock all the weapons and experiment!
maiden narwhal
I just got the gauntlet in my training room
vestal wedge
You'll find your weapon of choice eventually
placid frigate
just don't grab hazard bomb
terse thistle
Spear gang spear gang
pulsar frigate
eris is specifically great with gods/boons that don't give damage modifiers
placid frigate
shield bros HO
pulsar frigate
so things like lightning, hangover, slicing shot, crystal beam, etc
zeus especially is great with eris
vestal wedge
Dio with fog+ranged weapon = love
terse thistle
Zeus poseidon runs are always disgusting
vestal wedge
Dio is also great for sustain
placid frigate
zeus+gun=boomstick
terse thistle
Their duo one of the strongest in the game
placid frigate
isn't that just knockback=lightning?
terse thistle
Yup
vestal wedge
It is
placid frigate
40 damage
vestal wedge
That's the point
placid frigate
woo
vestal wedge
You get poms
terse thistle
Lol dont knock it til you try it
vestal wedge
And more boons
leaden whale
also, your favorite keepsake? i've been using lucky tooth the whole time
vestal wedge
It possibly snowballs like nothing else
placid frigate
honestly i swap to get the gods i want for my weapon if i'm not doing a hermes/than run
grab spiked collar for early game i'd say
pulsar frigate
meta rn is god/god/acorn/acorn, i personally go god/god/acorn/spearpoint
vestal wedge
I personally prefer utility boon god's, but Elysium and up you need pure damage and clear time more
terse thistle
I switch to lucky tooth at the end of a run if its really bad but I usually run gods and clear bonuses
placid frigate
i generally go god god god bracer
leaden whale
i dont understand half of the words you all say but thanks for the answers
placid frigate
my apologies. everyone has a keepsake
terse thistle
The keepsakes from the gods
You get them by gifting them nectar
It makes them appear on the run if you have the keepsake equipped
vale mica
How does skipping heat levels work?
placid frigate
not well
pulsar frigate
you can go as high heat as you want, but you will only ever get bounties one successful heat level at a time
placid frigate
just go at them in order because you can't get the rewards from the next level till you beat the one below.
vale mica
Ah okay
pulsar frigate
so if you're at heat 1 and want to skip to heat 5, you'd have to win heat 5 five times to get all those bounties
placid frigate
mhm
vale mica
Yep that makes sense, thanks lads
white dew
hmmm. My first choice is Ares and I dunno if I should pick attack inflicts doom or dash creates blade rift. Both seem underwhelming and lock out other options
I'm using the spear btw
vocal belfry
they can be replaced by another god's version at +1 rarity so go for the higher rarity one? but yeah i dont think that's ideal though >_<
pulsar frigate
dash is inconsequential, attack can be better so keep that open for future possibilities
vocal belfry
if i use the plume/butteryfly keepsakes through tartarus and switch em out later, do i still keep the bonus dmg/ dodge/movespeed?
vocal belfry
ah alright, thanks ^^
white dew
Man I just can't keep track of everything happening in the Minotaur/Theseus fight
I try to learn the patterns and dodge well but then I get a spear to the face or the bull attacks while I'm dodging an incoming throw
it's such a chaotic fight
burned through over 400 health during the fight and didn't even get the minotaur
hot yoke
When you get targeted by the spear there's a pink symbol blinking over you
white dew
I know
white dew
That's what I mean by getting hit by the minotaur while trying to dodge
hot yoke
I assume you try to off the bull first?
calm vessel
Try to fight the bull behind the pillars, opposite of where theseus is standing
hot yoke
Oh alright
Then you just gotta get used to it
Or maybe get more familiar with builds
Took me like 15 times for the first time to beat them I think
white dew
I mean that would help but it won't give me the skill necessary
hot yoke
Everything before is manageable
white dew
I had nearly full health and 2 death defies and still got screwed
15 runs or 15 times fighting them
white dew
Man my ego can't take being in this room
hot yoke
I always got to them
I think they're a giant difficulty spike
white dew
I'm at 30 runs now
how are you people doing this
apparently 20-25 runs is normal for beating the game
hot yoke
Everyone progresses at their own pace
white dew
I'm apparently really bad
vale mica
Can you get a duo boon from a trial of the gods where both gods for the duo boon are there?
calm vessel
The key for me is knowing what asterius isis going to do
Like when leap cleaves he always does it three times
Or if he slowly turns towards you hes going for a combo
vale mica
@hot yoke yes to the duo boon thing?
hot yoke
Yup
vale mica
calm vessel
Just in general being behind asterius is the play
..though there is that one combo where he back cleaves but ehhh
pastel cipher
@vale mica no, you cannot get duo's from trial of the gods
hot yoke
Wait what
Wtf
Could've sworn I've gotten one
Maybe my memories fuzzy
Sry for the wrong info @vale mica
Thought it was just based on meeting the requirements
pastel cipher
it is, however in trials of the gods you spur one of them so it wouldn't make sense for them to offer duo's to you
pastel cipher
artemis if going special, zeus if going attack
pulsar frigate
zeus for attack
hot yoke
If you press reload you can directly get a bomb in after while reloading
pulsar frigate
you basically double your damage even with a common lightning strike
hot yoke
So it's pretty good for bridging your damage
pulsar frigate
since bullets are low-damage, but extremely fast