I promise it's better this way than it would be with checkpoints
#h1-for-new-players
tepid vale
velvet sentinel
how long does it take to get out of the underworld?
tepid vale
15 minutes to an hour
although I've never seen anyone with an hour-long run
30 minutes is about average
ruby condor
welp, I died
it was a bit hard to dodge his attack when Ares covered like 95% of the ground with the circles
couldn't kill him fast with that shield
tepid vale
and you can do it in less than 10 if you're really good
@ruby condor After he recalls the spear, he will turn and walk away.
that's the easiest time to attack him
and yeah, dodging is tough at first
ruby condor
I was doing bow so
had to go behind him then firing is a bit slow
signal scaffold
Hey, quick question: is it bad to unlock certain items?
Should I be careful with what I unlock through Chtonic keys?
tepid vale
make sure you're dash-striking
and even with bow you should stay pretty close to enemies, so you can get backstabs and/or line them up for double/triple hits more easily
Hey, quick question: is it bad to unlock certain items?
@signal scaffold nope
you eventually want everything
signal scaffold
Great, thanks!
tepid vale
although 100% completion is probably impossible for most people, it's a good rule of thumb that no purchase with meta resources is bad. the broker will absolutely scam you, but anything else can only help.
copper root
hey do we use the full power of Call?
raw coral
Depends on the situation
copper root
like do we press F repeatedly or do we press and hold
raw coral
When a segment of it is full, or when the full bar is full for a more powerful effect
The full bar is split into segments if you look carefully
copper root
yeah I notice that
flat fractal
Is there healing if I explore more after I get the satyr sack?
raw coral
You can use those up individually if you want prior to the bar being full
sweet cypress
Which aspect should i pick / upgrade for my first clear?
Im getting to the third zone boss pretty often with Shield and Rail. (I like the bow too) But at that point i deal not enough damage :/
raw coral
@flat fractal if you mean healing as the fountain room, no, but you may find a well
tepid vale
like all 5 gauges
tfw you're using arti's call and get pity charges
artemis's call is best at max charge for sure
raw coral
@sweet cypress Every aspect is viable, it's more about getting the right synergies
So find something that works well with your favorite weapon
What do you like playing? I may be able to recommend a build or two
copper root
when I was first introduced to the Call mechanic, I thought that when the bar is fully full it will use all 5 at the same time
tepid vale
it uses all 5 if the bar is full
raw coral
Yes Horseman, that's how it works if the bar is full, but you have the option to also use segments of it if it is not full
tepid vale
yep
raw coral
It's gonna be in flames when it is full lol
flat fractal
@raw coral so a heal room like the one with the satyr sack or 20% heal?
ruby condor
how should I invest blood for first clear?
I have 2 right now
already spent 1 on chiron and 1 on talos
there are still 2 weapons I haven't cleared tartarus with, so I have 2 more easy blood for a total of 4 unused
sweet cypress
@raw coral Its kind of hard for me to know all the synergies most of the times i depend my run on what the Hammer gets me, then i either go full attack or Special
I really like the quick charge(Shield) and the Hangover / Doom effects
raw coral
There are no other heal rooms besides the one with the sack @flat fractal
flat fractal
Dang
raw coral
But if you keep exploring you may find a Well of Charon, which often contain healing items
Did you unlock the Boon Index from the contractor @sweet cypress ? If so, look for Duo boons, and try to build for those. They're a nice power spike that can make those Hangover/Doom effects better.
The index tells you what boons you need to have i order to have a chance of being offered any particular duo/legendary
candid nimbus
Yeah there are a ton of interactions, I figured out most of the duo patterns based on what the duo does
and studying the charts 
sweet cypress
I just bought it an hour ago but have not yet looked into it. So you should plan ahead.. interesting.
I have 14Hours of play time so far but only 6 Titan Blood, im at the 10 key upgrades in the mirror (Have 2 stacks of the undying thing)
Many resources about builds / aspects seems to be outdated with the 1.0 update. The Chaos shield seemed pretty popular but now all i see about the change is hate ^^
@raw coral
candid nimbus
It's still fairly good
Experimenting and experience is one of your best resources though
raw coral
It's not as OP as it was before, but it's certainly still good
sweet cypress
Its hard to decide because the Blood is so limited and i dont want to spend it for something thats not good for me ^^
velvet sentinel
I am just playing hades and it said something like a call do any of y'all know what that is?
raw coral
It's very reliable, and especially good if you're going for a Hangover or Doom special build
As long as you enjoy the base weapon, you are probably going to enjoy subsequent aspects
candid nimbus
You'll get access to those later, gotta keep playing
The Gods aren't impressed yet
Calls I mean
sweet cypress
Never enjoyed throwing my shield so the playstyle would be completely different :D
I love deflecting stuff while charging right into the action, and because i keep charging 24/7 i block every attack ^^
candid nimbus
Ah trick with titan blood.
raw coral
I think you can invest titan blood in a weapon to try it out
candid nimbus
If you want to test or do not want to 'waste' titan blood, you can spend it and IMMEDIATELY go on a run, do not walk into bedroom. Test it out then **Give Up **to come back to your courtyard save, no blood spent yet
raw coral
So invest it, start a run and see how it feels, and give up. It will be returned to your inventory, but you mustn't go to the bedroom after investing it.
sweet cypress
Give Up = loading your save? I thought its an insta death
raw coral
No no
candid nimbus
Just do not go into bedroom after spending- it creates a save point. Giving up just reverts back to your courtyard save before that run
raw coral
In the pause menu you have the option to Give Up while in a run
sweet cypress
I also thought about selling my 6 Blood for Gems for 200Gems each -> Buy 15 Keys for 150Gems -> Buy Blood for 15 Keys
Just do not go into bedroom after spending- it creates a save point. Giving up just reverts back to your courtyard save before that run
@candid nimbus Ah i see
sweet cypress
Interesting.. 🤔
candid nimbus
I'd recommend against trading away Titan Blood/ Ambrosia/ Diamonds
ruby condor
so what you gain during give up also doesn't count?
keys, darkness, etc?
candid nimbus
Except for their big uses
raw coral
Nothing, you give up
sweet cypress
I'd recommend against trading away Titan Blood/ Ambrosia/ Diamonds
@candid nimbus But with my "method" i would multiply my titan blood endlessly
As long as the Shop do not run out
candid nimbus
Problem is keys for blood switches
raw coral
Yea, but you're not guaranteed to get the 15 keys for blood method
candid nimbus
The last broker deal changes after every run
You could indeed theoretically play the long game
raw coral
If you don't intend to invest it all right away, it could pay off
Tho it's easier to get gems than blood
So just spend 150 gems on 15 keys
candid nimbus
The titanblood sink is pretty large
ruby condor
so any blood use recommendation for the first 6 blood?
raw coral
The weapon you like most
sweet cypress
so any blood use recommendation for the first 6 blood?
@ruby condor Askind the same right now, not really ^^
ruby condor
I already used 1 for chiron and 1 for talos
sweet cypress
So just spend 150 gems on 15 keys
@raw coral Do you know if the shop has a limited amount of bloods for sale?
candid nimbus
You can use it, I'm just recommending a method to test before commit
raw coral
It's unlimited, tho I don't recommend trading Ambrosia for Blood early on
candid nimbus
The aspects tend to be personal preference though
raw coral
The special deals are limited to 1 per run
candid nimbus
Some might not shine until max either
candid nimbus
I could recommend something, but if it's not your playstyle it's not really good advice lol
tepid vale
hera's power is frontloaded
chiron you probably actually want maxed
velvet sentinel
I am on Megaera any strats or information before I start to fight her
raw coral
Try the shield aspect of Zeus Sycreon, you might enjoy it
ruby condor
I got lucky with my first chiron run and got +4 special shots on daedelus
candid nimbus
Be aware of your surroundings
ruby condor
so it was very strong
sweet cypress
I am on Megaera any strats or information before I start to fight her
@velvet sentinel Evade sideways if the stands still
tepid vale
if she runs right at you she's about to use a larger aoe attack
velvet sentinel
thx
tepid vale
don't stand in the glowy circles
velvet sentinel
ok
frail bay
"purple heals from the sky! :D"
candid nimbus
What weapon are you using?
Well I guess that doesn't matter too much. Hit and run tends to work since you'll be looking out for openings
velvet sentinel
I use the sheild
tepid vale
yeah, attacking shortens your dash and removes the i-frames
candid nimbus
Depends on weapon though, ranged can dodge and attack fairly fine
Ah bull rush, the charge attack can block things if you need some time
velvet sentinel
thx
frail bay
only done a few runs, but pretty sure bow has been my favorite of the sword/bow/shield thus far. Though i see many people liking the shield
ruby condor
so far, gun feels the most awkward to use
tepid vale
there's no hitstun and it's pretty low damage and attack speed
ruby condor
yeah
tepid vale
so yeah, pretty awkward
ruby condor
doesn't feel like there is any upside to this weapon
tepid vale
dash-strike a lot, try to get zeus or dio
if you get spreadfire it's suddenly really good though
candid nimbus
I tend to just special spam, take a few potshots with normal attack here and there is how I use rail
sweet cypress
Special spam rail got me very far. Got that 300% DMG and Radius increase pretty early
Is the Gameplay of the Hestia Aspect really: Shoot once, reload, Shoot once, reload ?
sweet cypress
Only worth maxed out i guess? ^^
tepid vale
you can get into a rhythm without killing yourself, unlike literally any other weapon
even at level one I consider it to be better than any other rail aspect
but a lot of people disagree with that
and it's definitely best at max level
sweet cypress
Deciding if i wanna go 6 Bloods into Rail or Chaos shield..
tepid vale
if by chaos shield you mean aspect of chaos
cries
I guess you can do that
sweet cypress
Could use the blood trick to test
@candid nimbus True, but i would have to find the right items ^^
I tried Chaos shield with your trick and.. Without special boosting items.. the damage was pretty null
Did way more DMG charging bull
candid nimbus
Ah true, need to find boons
tepid vale
the bonus damage on chaos isn't worthwhile until heroic imo
sweet cypress
the bonus damage on chaos isn't worthwhile until heroic imo
@tepid vale Heroic Boons?
sweet cypress
What would you pick? (With your playstyle)
sweet cypress
Ahh, the wiki is outdated then. There it says zag gives Damage reduction
rough ginkgo
is there anything that affects the chances of getting duo boons? does it increase over time, or with relationship status with the gods?
tepid vale
there is a mirror upgrade that improves it
but the best tool to get more is actually just knowledge of the prerequisites
rough ginkgo
ah
candid nimbus
Yeah getting pre-reqs earlier gives more opportunities to get it
leaden whale
whats that icon on the bone hourglass of Charon keepsake? it appeared after i unlocked the bond forgery with Charon.
candid nimbus
Isn't it a little cute Charon?
candid nimbus
Just a visual to show you have a bond. Doens't do anything else to my knowledge
leaden whale
oh meh
barren kestrel
hades gonna have cross play save from swtich to pc anyone knows?
ruby condor
is chaos aspect shield that good with only 1 extra shield?
candid nimbus
Not really
trim fractal
@barren kestrel From the FAQ:
We have plans to offer cross-save support, so that you can transfer your Hades PC save data to the Nintendo Switch version. Expect it in an update in October 2020.
Oh, wait. I see what you're asking.
In the other direction, no idea.
restive spoke
is chaos aspect shield that good with only 1 extra shield?
@ruby condor get it to at least lvl 3
With 3 extra shield
Otherwise not really that viable
sweet cypress
Even 3 Shields are not that good, just use zag shield and for your special get one with hangover. Pretty strong without extra shields
candid nimbus
Still it's down to personal preference
foggy marsh
personally I think Zeus aspect is okay at 1 level
candid nimbus
Probably, would need to tweak build a bit
to use things like Dio or Zeus as those don't scale off of the aspect
foggy marsh
Honestly I think the only aspects that aren't worth 1 level are Chaos, Chiron, Demeter, Hestia
you kind of need multiple bloods for them to work well enough to warrant using over others
candid nimbus
I mean, starting off Demeter aspect might not be bad at any upgrade it's more damage in general
sweet cypress
Did a test run with 4 Shields (Only got Dio as special) got me to third zone just before boss.
Now testing maxed Zag aspect and it feels SO MUCH stronger 😄
candid nimbus
Wish that titan blood test was mentioned somewhere, would help people 
When giving up the run will feel about the same- the chamber gen changes slightly/minimally. You can change the chamber gen a bit if you cast right before you go into another room
sweet cypress
Or just if there was a test run option where you can play with your mirror / Aspect etc
candid nimbus
True
sweet cypress
What do you pick from eurydice?
candid nimbus
I usually pick next 3 boons are rarity upgraded
Other 2 depend if I like my current build
generally I pick next 3 so that I can force Hermes to give me better stuff 
sweet cypress
You take hermes at all? I dont like his boons ^^
candid nimbus
Extra dash is a yespls
sweet cypress
I can count the amount of times he gave that to me with one finger 😄
candid nimbus
I only get 2-3 of his boons a run might as well make them as good as possible
foggy marsh
Hermes dodge chance is great, also extra attack speed is nice in certain circumstances
sweet cypress
https://i.imgur.com/GkaQqFo.png
Is the Support fire any good? Would take the Call otherwise
mild orchid
The only meh thing about hermes is movespeed which can mess up your movement pattern if you can't get used to it
pulsar frigate
what weapon?
foggy marsh
Support fire is great with certain weapons
mild orchid
but stuff like side hustle and extra dashes is just a circus of value
sweet cypress
Shield with Zag aspect max
foggy marsh
Prolly call with shield
olive pagoda
I like support fire too
mild orchid
support fire with shield seems mediocre
sweet cypress
Only good with high fire rate huh?
kk, Thanks 🙂
foggy marsh
it is REALLY good with high rate of fire weapons tho
mighty mortar
is there anyway to test boons or aspect upgrades?
mild orchid
Not that I know of... the sandbox training ground does feel very barebones most of the time
No skelly pun intended boyo
candid nimbus
No boyo emote sad boyo noises
Aspect upgrades you can do the give up method
Spend titan blood, DO NOT GO BACK INTO BEDROOM, immediately go on a run. Once your test is done, Give Up. You'll return to courtyard with unspent blood. Well you'll revert back to your courtyard save, so that test run never happened
sweet cypress
And if you die.. Quickly open Task manager and close the game :D
(happened to me last test run :D)
mild orchid
alternatively there's the handy dandy Alt F4
sweet cypress
First time i killed Theseus!
Thanks @tepid vale for the advice 😄 (Zag Shield is really nice!)
meager flax
Is the membership card permanent?
rough ginkgo
oh
ah nuts, just fought final boss for 5th time
after i got to ||2nd phase|| for first time and brought it down to 50% health without a defiance left
meager flax
yeah he's a real pain
candid nimbus
Membershipcard is only for that run
meager flax
sad but makes sense
candid nimbus
Stingy soul that one
clever path
This is the third time I’ve been beaten by Theseus and Asterius
I beat Asterius and got Theseus to summon Ares, then died because I thought the pillar would block the spear
vale mist
What is a good, low investment required weapon aspect?
candid nimbus
Best bet for me was to kite Asterius away and take cracks at him while balancing out dodge. THeseus puts a marker over head which becomes super bold once he throws... then again I have the timing down
no weapon aspect is required?
Hera for bow works fine without max. Zag aspects are fairly nice
clever path
I’ll try that, thanks
sweet cypress
Close call, got the endboss to 30% HP 😄
lost mulch
Those mirror buffs are not working at the same time, right?
Those green you can toggle, but not replace, right? Oh rip my crystals.
candid nimbus
epilogue you have to keep clearing apparently
lost mulch
That's nice, more depth
sweet cypress
What are some of the best Shield Duo boons to go for?
Ares + Aphrodite was quite nice. Infinite Doom 😄
clever path
How do I get aspects?
pulsar frigate
unlock all your weapons, then do a run
sweet cypress
Unlock all weapons
pulsar frigate
when you come back, skelly will have a convo for you
clever path
I am missing one but it’s not in Skelly’s room
sweet cypress
Do a run with the fists
clever path
Oh, good thing that’s what I’m doing now lol
pulsar frigate
the next weapon will only appear once you finish a run after you unlocked the previous one
(doing a run refreshes the House, allowing new events to occur)
clever path
Lol I love the last weapon
candid nimbus
What infernal contraption....
clever path
Is it based off of an actual myth or just there because?
polar nymph
Quick question how do you unlock the final heart on the supports page?
foggy marsh
Depends on the NPC
candid nimbus
Tends to be a favour/dialogue that needs to be done
foggy marsh
Does the Fated Keys contractor upgrade still give you Fated Authority if you switch to Fated Persuasion in the mirror?
clever path
How do I get to ||Chaos||?
I know it’s something in a room but I don’t know what I’m looking for or if I have to unlock it first
pulsar frigate
there'll be ||a weird audio cue and a circle in the ground with stars in it will appear. when you walk up to it, it'll ask you to sacrifice some health in order to enter||
clever path
Alright
safe steeple
Does Deathless Stand (Boon of Athena) replenishes death defiance? The description says Death Defiance makes you impervious longer. Replenish 1 use.
pulsar frigate
yes
rough ginkgo
aw nuts, hate when theseus gets demeter
only seen a few, but demeter is the worst to go against for me so far
tidal tiger
Honestly same
clever path
So far I’ve only lived long enough to see Dionysus and Ares
rapid spruce
Artemis is def the easiest imo
clever path
And Dionysus is the harder one imo
rapid spruce
since all the circle go in the center
thick lynx
does chaos have a fated list? encountered him a bunch but no fated list as of yet
foggy marsh
I have not seen Theseus get Demeter, is it any different from normal?
lost mulch
Uu encountered Alecto for the first time.. lol.
My charming shot special made her stuck on a trap trying to kill her own add.. good riddance.
ruby condor
does the shield block every attack the comes from the front?
flat fractal
Does sisypus heal me or grant health increase
rapid spruce
@ruby condor yes
@flat fractal heal
itll let you know on the right side of the screen
ruby condor
how good is zeus shield?
ruby condor
at base upgrade
right now I don't have blood to put into anything that needs several upgrades to be good
like chaos shield
foggy marsh
i've cleared with base level zeus shield
so definitely not awful
personally i wish it moved faster
ruby condor
how hard is it to get blood later?
foggy marsh
a lot easier after you beat the game imo
static cliff
How do I unlock the guan yu aspect?
pulsar frigate
check pins in #h1-story-discussion
static cliff
Thank you.
thick lynx
i found an upgrade in a room locked by heat that i dont have, what gives? should i not have upgraded the thing at the contractor
ruby condor
how are god calls charged up?
misty fog
dealing/taking damage
The heat rooms are only available when you have the specified amount of heat active during a run. If you are still playing on low/no heat then they won't do anything for you.
limpid helm
I have 6 hearts on hypno and the 7 is locked, how do i remove the lock?
undone birch
Do more runs
limpid helm
he is pretty easy on good runs just try again
limpid helm
have zeus call and it should be good
candid nimbus
Good 'ol bombs away
clever path
I upgraded it so I could shoot three at a time
clever path
I think I just unlocked aspects, which ones should I get first?
candid nimbus
Dunno
Some of them benefit more from being maxed
I would use the titan blood trick to test some out
clever path
?
candid nimbus
So you can spend titan blood to test aspects, but DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM AFTER SPENDING, do a run immediately. Once your test is done (don't die!) Give up. It'll revert back to the courtyard save no blood spent, run never happened really
Close game quick if about to die alternatively
So you can test out aspects before committing blood
clever path
Speaking of, how do I get more blood?
rapid spruce
have you beaten the final boss?
clever path
Nope
rapid spruce
do that
candid nimbus
Broker trade, Prophecies, and final boss is gate for another method
clever path
Stuck on Theseus and Asterius
pulsar frigate
switch between weapons
clever path
I’ve only reached them with Bow, Shield, and Rail, and I’ve done better each time I got there
honest vigil
Any tips for ashpodel?
candid nimbus
That's the goal, to get better and better!
Ah what parts of Asphodel are messing with you?
honest vigil
Everything
candid nimbus
Hm, gotta figure out enemy behaviour
clever path
Dash over the lava if it’s in the way
candid nimbus
There a bunch of jumpy enemies in there
honest vigil
That's one of my problems
clever path
You can stand on it for about less than a second before you take damage as well
honest vigil
Lave and jump enemies/bombers
honest vigil
It's the guys that actually thow the bombs at you
purple
Or no, green I think
purple is the slam dancers
rapid spruce
Dont stand still
candid nimbus
Greens throw fairly straight
candid nimbus
Yeah, I find inferno bombers easier than green
honest vigil
greens tho
candid nimbus
I can dash away from their bombs, except the triple landmine -.-
clever path
Double dash
candid nimbus
Ah you can deflect their bombs, can't destroy them if I recall
but you'll get stronger the more runs you do, mirror upgrades help lot
honest vigil
I don't have enough darkness for double dash yet
yeah true
So I can only get 6 titan blood?
clever path
Do a run and focus on darkness
honest vigil
hmm ok
candid nimbus
Just take it easy and enjoy the journey through the underworld
You'll slowly get stronger
clever path
It’s a ton of fun
honest vigil
It really is
clever path
Heck, dying is fun
candid nimbus
Don't worry about how fast or slow someone else does it
honest vigil
My game of the year so far
candid nimbus
You got this
clever path
Because it means you get to see more story from the House of Hades
candid nimbus
Ah you have any nectar? the flasks of golden liquid
honest vigil
Speaking of that, still haven't gotten the broker yet
I got one from dio and gifted it to charon
candid nimbus
Next one you get, give to either Skelly or Cerberus
honest vigil
Ok
candid nimbus
Giving nectar the first time is a good thing 😄
That should help a bit
Otherwise, just gotta keep doing runs and progressing
honest vigil
What about giving it multiple times to the same person
candid nimbus
You'll learn more about a character and get some more interactions
honest vigil
But get all the keepsakes first right?
candid nimbus
but for the start I recommend gifting everyone once, yeah!
If you have any questions feel free to ask, we'll be here
honest vigil
Thanks
clever path
I want to see more of Sisyphus but the game doesn’t give the room to me
honest vigil
Always nice to see a good game have a good community
candid nimbus
Do you believe in 
?
honest vigil
Is sisyphus in asphodel
candid nimbus
No, you'll bump into that character in Tartarus randomly
honest vigil
ok
candid nimbus
Just keep at it, you'll find many surprises
Alot of this game is based on doing more runs to progress ... and RNG dialogue :/
candid nimbus
It isn't, that's just the biggest complaint I hear I joke about it a lot
honest vigil
I'm also really surprised how well this game runs on my horrible laptop
candid nimbus
Same, it's very well optimized
clever path
The gameplay is so fluid
honest vigil
It just feels good
rain widget
I'm at 48% god mode and feel like that's really high. I'm curious how many others have it set high or if at all.
clever path
And the characters are amazing
rain widget
Yeah but I'm petty 🤣
candid nimbus
It varies, I've seen none - nearmax/max
We have so many players the data is all over the place
rain widget
Trying to get my brother into hades since he has like crazy high advancement in transistor and dmc. So I just don't wanna look like a complete fool, lol.
candid nimbus
Nah, we're all just enjoying this masterpiece
godmode, no godmode, you play the way that you find fun 👍
'tis a game after all, what's the point if it isn't fun
clever path
I JUST WENT TO ||CHAOS|| FOR THE FIRST TIME!
rain widget
Giga cutter with +base dmg
For anyone who wants to have a lot of fun being OP 😜
@clever path he's in the running for best boi
clever path
What’s Giga cutter?
rain widget
Its the multi hit special for the fist weapons
clever path
What should I get?
candid nimbus
Oh that aspect
clever path
I have Rolling Grasp, Enshrouded Favor, and Abyssal Affluence
rain widget
You can get the explosion boon from hephaestus to make it aoe and then any of the +special dmg boons like pos aphro or athena
candid nimbus
Lemme look up what those do again
favor is pretty good, but it really comes down to if you can handle the ||debuff||
Walking into a boss room with a ||debuff|| is a barrel of laughs I tell you
rain widget
For him pay attention to both the negative and it's duration. You don't wanna go into a boss and take damage everytime you cast or something.
clever path
||Enshroud|| shouldn’t be too much of one
rain widget
Best get him early in and then value him less further on
candid nimbus
Favour is nice because rarity is nice
honest vigil
Died to meg again
candid nimbus
Happens
honest vigil
Bow is definetly not my best weapon
clever path
Who are the guys in the ||Cthonic Prophecy|| and how do I get them?
candid nimbus
I heard for Bow you do dash attacks
rain widget
Oh yeah rarity gives a way bigger bonus than even 2-3 levels sometimes
thick lynx
do each of the little chambers in stage 4 count as an encounter or only one route?
candid nimbus
The last room of the path counts for Plume/Butterfly
rain widget
@thick lynx each chamber I believe
candid nimbus
But each is a different path
You try them until you get an item to progress and a fountain to heal at
which is in 2-5 paths
rain widget
For well buffs and chaos boons each chamber counts but as poke said there are some that don't count those chambers
thick lynx
the gold passive? i onno maybe need to check again
rain widget
Hermes one?
candid nimbus
Yeah the side hustle
thick lynx
hermes and the mirror passive
candid nimbus
Hermes counts I believe, mirror only works the inbetween after boss places
rain widget
Regardless that passive from hermes is still very strong
ancient nova
What is the use of titan blood?
candid nimbus
Unlock all the weapons, you'll seee
but ||it's for upgrades! Or new ways to play weapons||
winged saffron
hi guys do you know if there are any updates that add content?
candid nimbus
Uh, there have been minor fix updates, but game is done with updates for now
content wise
pastel cipher
the small patches are bug/tech fixes
honest vigil
Another thing I like, you never have the same run
And the darkness buff with each weapon encourages variety
winged saffron
yes of course I saw the patch notes, I meant if they were planned?
candid nimbus
Future updates? we don't know. SGG taking a break
winged saffron
Ah ok
winged saffron
do you know which is currently the strongest weapon in game ? personally it seemed to me the bow and the shield
candid nimbus
Don't think any of the weapons are better than the others. varies from player to player
winged saffron
Hmmmm ok
candid nimbus
I could tell you say sword is best weapon, but you don't like sword
so it won't be the best
pulsar frigate
weapons are basically balanced right now, there's a lot of different opinions
candid nimbus
Comes down to personal preference and what sorta clicks
pulsar frigate
i can't count how many times i've seen someone here complain about rail, and then ten minutes later, someone comes in gushing about how op it is
winged saffron
Rail ?
honest vigil
Just beat meg no-hit, felt really good doing 500+ damage with bow
candid nimbus
Last unlockable weapon
winged saffron
I think Is spoiler for me
winged saffron
Yah
candid nimbus
You'll find out what it truly is once you unlock it though
pulsar frigate
you'll unlock them eventually
and you'll want to unlock them, even if you don't end up playing them much
winged saffron
I have arrived at what appears to be a "claw" or glove
pulsar frigate
up to you, but knowing what i know, i'd go weapons first
candid nimbus
Whichever works shrug
pulsar frigate
plus the key costs for mirror gets really high after the first two
honest vigil
ok
Ah ok
I have trouble with the burn-flingers
the green ones
Just didn't know the name before
candid nimbus
Ah green bomberman
They have a small startup animation before they throw I think
moving perpendicular to their attack or them tends to work
honest vigil
I'll try that
candid nimbus
Don't move towards them
like straight towards them, go sideways a bit
since the bomb is thrown straight
Depending on weapon you have different approaches
Shield Charge attack can just straight up block it
ranged weapons you can hit and dash
honest vigil
Oh really, good to know
candid nimbus
Shield charge blocks a lot of things in the game xD
tepid vale
some of their attacks are slow and seeking, but you can pretty much outrun those
dash if you need to
lime ocean
I'm getting backstab build shaping up. Got 200% from hammer and 76 from chaos. Any boon I should try to find?
honest vigil
I know you said not to trade titan blood, but 200 gemstones seems pretty good...
lime ocean
yeah, sword
honest vigil
I didn't get it yet, just wondering if it's worth it
candid nimbus
Really upping damage in general for your main attack is going to help with backstabs
So ||Dem||, Aphro are good. Athena ups backstab damage with Exposed
lime ocean
I got Artemis attack buff and critical , seems decent
candid nimbus
That should do
clever path
I just camped out Theseus/Aphrodite with Phalanx Shot (Athena cast deflect) and Exit wounds (Artemis Cast stones do damage when dropped)
candid nimbus
Trading away Titan blood/ diamonds/ ambrosia except for their big use isn't really recommended
honest vigil
Guess I won't then
clever path
First time beating Theseus!
candid nimbus
Titan blood in particular is a sink
Congrats!
Took me 150+? hours to never need titan blood ever again 
clever path
Lol I thought I died when the screen cut to his death
I was one good hit away from death and used my only defiance
candid nimbus
This game really gets your heart beating
tepid vale
Took me 150+? hours to never need titan blood ever again
reset twice and do several weeks worth of speedruns and it can take you over 600
clever path
This game really gets your heart beating
Totally, especially when you come across something that killed you earlier
tepid vale
especially when you make enemies 40% faster
honest vigil
What?
tepid vale
the game gets hard
clever path
Especially when that thing has been Theseus and Asterius consistently 5 times
tepid vale
if you want it to, the game gets harder
that's all you need to know for now
fun fact I beat the third boss the first time I reached it
the elysium miniboss wrecked me so many times before that I was just done dying I guess
clear ingot
So I maxed the relationship with someone and it says I have an "intense bond" with them and they now have a lil sticker-like picture in the same box as the keepsake they gave me... does this do anything extra?
clear ingot
why does it have to make special note that I have this intense bond with them though?
candid nimbus
Flavour text I think
clear ingot
alright, thanks
candid nimbus
It is also an achievement
I mean, you built a bond
takes a lot of dialogue and time xD
clear ingot
and ambrosia
clever path
...and I died to poison
tepid vale
also it's pretty intense
clever path
I don’t like the blade lol
clear ingot
orl
clever path
My favorite weapon is the gun with the triple Bomb upgrade, or the basic shield
Fists are fun too, but I don’t know how to use them
clear ingot
sometimes a hammer will make a weapon you didnt like, pretty awesome
candid nimbus
Solid weapons yeah
hammers change things so much sometimes
Chop sword is most funny
clever path
I like the sword, just I like it the least
clever path
I love the bow
candid nimbus
Jack of all trades, what can I say, bad with all the weapons!
clear ingot
and the wrong boon could hurt you more than help, like I got the tidal dash (push away on dash) with fists... made it so I had to walk up to enemys to punch instead of dash in their face
clever path
It’d only be Poseidon’s that could hurt though right?
clear ingot
thats just an example I recently had
candid nimbus
Of course
clear ingot
you'd like that if you were using a ranged weapon
clever path
And yeah, unless if you’re in most of asphodel you can work with a melee push
candid nimbus
Pos is vicious in Styx
clever path
Also, how could...Athena’s deflect or Zeus’s thunder hurt?
Those just modify your attacks
candid nimbus
?
clever path
Fatboy was saying that the wrong boon could hurt more than help
candid nimbus
They can trick you into overextending. Deflect gives sense of safety and Zeus wombo combo
but experience varies by person
clear ingot
then gave an example, its diffrent each time... I dont know all combos off the top of me head
candid nimbus
Say zeus on primary attack bow, that's a tough one
candid nimbus
Poke 'em real quick
clever path
Lol I just read the channel description
The only time that I have died to the Hydra was when I entered the boss already on death’s doorstep
fleet nymph
Fatboy was saying that the wrong boon could hurt more than help
@clever path
It's true. A boon like zeus' on the bow's attack or ares' on the railgun can hurt the run a lot. It is very unlikely for a god to offer an exchange later on, so you can be stuck with a bad boon for the rest of the run
clever path
I learned the hard way that Ares’s dash is bad for how I play bow
I dash way before the enemy gets on top of me, so the blades do absolutely nothing
honest vigil
flurry attack with curse of agony and knockback(poiseidon)on my special(spear run)
This is shaping up to be real good
clever path
But what does Zeus do for primary attack? Is it something like “when you attack, thunder strikes nearby enemies”?
fleet nymph
But what does Zeus do for primary attack? Is it something like “when you attack, thunder strikes nearby enemies”?
@clever path yea basically
clever path
Ye, Good luck Suprede
candid nimbus
but it's a static damage
as opposed to %
which is why it's good for fsat hitting weapons
fleet nymph
and a very low damage mind you
clever path
The first time I got fists, I essentially got only Dionysus and got both poison attacks
Forgot to take a pic of the build or else I would have put it here and called it “Drunken Fist” or something like that lol
fleet nymph
Nice
candid nimbus
O full Dio fist build is hilarious
Can upgrade cast to protect and make enemies more vulnerable
clever path
Unfortunately I’m on the Switch and not good at fists so the chances of a Dionysus build like that again is unlikely
torpid hawk
what's a good cast boon for hera aspect?
candid nimbus
Rod is nice for gem gains
candid nimbus
Ah it can get other resources too
tepid vale
mostly gems, some darkness
clever path
Got it
clever path
I got something that looked like a square nectar jar from Theseus
tepid vale
late-game meta resources if you're super fast and lucky
@clever path nice, keep that
don't trade it for anything
candid nimbus
Ambrosia yeah, hang on to it
tepid vale
when you can use it you will use a lot
candid nimbus
It's an upgraded nectar, strongest drink around
clever path
K
candid nimbus
Gotta show people we care, but really care
clever path
I know I can unlock the ability to drop a boulder on enemies if I do...something with ||Sisyphus||
clever path
Thx
honest vigil
Well, I've maxed out the first mirror part
Guess all there is to do now is wait for 500 darkness for a second dd
clever path
I’ve maxed out mirror starting and first unlock aside from death defiance
candid nimbus
Ye, can grab other mirror rank too
honest vigil
Nah, I'll just save for weapons
candid nimbus
Sounds good
clever path
Does giving ||Hades|| nectar do anything?
undone birch
Only 1 way to find out 
undone birch
(btw you can't waste nectar. If it would have no effect you can't give it to the npc)
clever path
I meant long term
tepid vale
bouldy's ambiguity buff would like to know your location
clever path
I did it once but now the hearts are locked
undone birch
Yes because zag really doesn't like hades
tepid vale
it's locked behind story progression if there's a lock symbol
you have to do runs and talk to npcs
usually a lot
tepid vale
ahem
undone birch
honest vigil
||Nyx isn't his mother bruh||
honest vigil
well I obiously saw this
tepid vale
you're talking about a dream lol
honest vigil
clever path
tepid vale
you didn't really see the dream you thought you saw
it was
a
rather deadly nightmare, in fact
clever path
||Is there no escape?||
candid nimbus
To be less confusing it is actual lore.
tepid vale
a lot of things are actual lore
for instance, zag has died by running into a wall painted as an exit
it's true!
honest vigil
Do we ||ever meet persephone tho||
candid nimbus
Dunno
sly vigil
dunno
candid nimbus
Only time will tell
clever path
Maybe?
tepid vale
I haven't done runs since 1.0
honest vigil
Fair enough
clever path
Haven’t gotten past ||Cerberus||
tepid vale
the only answer I have is maybe
undone birch
Lots of gods still missing in the game
undone birch
Hephaistos would be dope
daring oracle
I haven’t gotten past ||Hades phase 2||
candid nimbus
Clever
honest vigil
I haven't gotten to asphodel boss yet
tepid vale
imagine testing out your strats before throwing them into the crucible
undone birch
I got past everything :D
candid nimbus
A lot happens during that fight, different patterns
tepid vale
congratulations @daring oracle for being more clever than the average discord user
and me
undone birch
tepid vale
a lot of people
sly vigil
yes
candid nimbus
I believe you can
tepid vale
yes
restive spoke
That is, do you deal damage back to them
candid nimbus
The timing is a lot smaller
tepid vale
yes
restive spoke
Same amount of damage that they would’ve done to u?
candid nimbus
I'm also Haelface now
tepid vale
more
restive spoke
How much
tepid vale
a lot
restive spoke
Is that why Athena dash is good
restive spoke
I don’t see how it’s good outside of deflecting projectiles
undone birch
Athena dash is awesome
undone birch
I think you get invinc frames after the dash ends?
tepid vale
it's good because of the safety having iframes on your dash regardless of whether you're attacking or not
tepid vale
you can dash-strike and you still. get. i-frames
undone birch
I think it's in the description
restive spoke
So u DO get increased I-frames?
undone birch
Of the boon
queen nymph
Compared to an attack, a dash is a free action, takes very little commitment and the timing is pretty easy, can be used to cancel your attacks
tepid vale
that's what makes athena dash so good. usually you have to stop attacking to be invincible
sly vigil
very
tepid vale
very good
restive spoke
I think it's in the description
@undone birch “ur dash deals damage and can deflect”, so no it isn’t
undone birch
Mhh
tepid vale
it cheeses the final boss tbh
you still have to learn the fight but you don't need to learn it as well
restive spoke
Didn’t know Athena dash gives u I framed after dash ends
gaunt raven
When do infernal troves drop nectar?
Not getting hit? Unlocking it fast? Both? Random?
candid nimbus
I thought the i-frame thing from divine dash was debunked
tepid vale
Didn’t know Athena dash gives u I framed after dash ends
@restive spoke it doesn't. the benefit is being able to dash-strike for free
ruby condor
does acorn count miniboss like minotaur solo to be boss?
undone birch
But like normally people pick a god keepsake at the start of the run and change to acorn later
tepid vale
When do infernal troves drop nectar?
Not getting hit? Unlocking it fast? Both? Random?
@gaunt raven it's random
queen nymph
I got an extra item out of a trove once (the very first one I unlocked) and haven’t found one since
tepid vale
does acorn count miniboss like minotaur solo to be boss?
@ruby condor no
gaunt raven
ugh
restive spoke
I don’t get it tho
clever path
It specifies
gaunt raven
You'd think RNGesus would have his own boons by this point
clever path
“The last encounter” has a shield
restive spoke
Can your strike interrupt ur dash animation and frames?
Like decrease ur dash duration
undone birch
Like I played with athena dash and it just feels better
restive spoke
Or does it do that after a fully dash animation
candid nimbus
Dash attack has slightly shorter if I recall, but it interrupts the framesyeah
tepid vale
Can your strike interrupt ur dash animation and frames?
@restive spoke normally, dash-strikes entirely remove your dash i-frames
restive spoke
So basically what Athena dash do is it keeps the original number of i-frames even if u interrupt the dash with a strike?
tepid vale
with athena dash, they do not
restive spoke
Am I understanding correctly
candid nimbus
Interesting, TIL
restive spoke
@restive spoke normally, dash-strikes entirely remove your dash i-frames
@tepid vale but I strike AFTER a dash
candid nimbus
Should test myself later
restive spoke
So how does the game remove my dash I-frames
candid nimbus
dash strike is an input in itself, no?
restive spoke
If I dashed BEFORE it knows I strike
undone birch
Magic
tepid vale
then the dash i-frames persist but your dash-strike is lower dps
that's all. most people dash-strike by mashing both buttons at the same time
restive spoke
I dash strike by pressing dash then pressing strike
sly vigil
i didn't ask for personal attack @tepid vale
restive spoke
So Athena dash is same amount of i-frames when dash striking
tepid vale
lol
restive spoke
Got it
tepid vale
that's how I do it normally @sly vigil
but sometimes it is useful to do it the way SauCe does
for timing or increased range
clever path
Any general tips for getting better, anyone?
tepid vale
play more
restive spoke
Just play, 4Head
candid nimbus
Learning patterns and behaviours
undone birch
Do more runs
tepid vale
once you win, make the game harder
restive spoke
“Have u tried dodging their attacks?” —Lysol
queen nymph
Pay attention to enemy animations so you can predict their attacks
queen nymph
And just play more to unlock more upgrades that make the game easier
undone birch
But fr actual advise: very hard to say without knowing what problems you have
tepid vale
oh yeah
dodge enemy attacks, that's a good piece of advice
clever path
Uhhhh...
tepid vale
I highly recommend trying it out, thanks SauCe
clever path
My problems are...mostly me thinking I’ll dodge something when I don’t
tepid vale
Bro F u for saying that every time I ask for help Lysol
@restive spoke I gave actual advice too
restive spoke
🗿no u didn’t
clever path
Especially when Theseus is throwing his trident all over the place
restive spoke
U can dodge most things
sly vigil
ask 4head questions, get 4head answer
restive spoke
Especially when Theseus is throwing his trident all over the place
@clever path that fight gets significantly easier the more u visit it
clever path
Wait a second
undone birch
Also WALL
restive spoke
Try positioning urself
tepid vale
@restive spoke
restive spoke
With the pillars
clever path
Haelface what was that?
restive spoke
Or spamming dodge when he’s about to throw
tepid vale
that was a wall for sauce
sly vigil
he had a stroke
restive spoke
Haelface what was that?
@clever path his knowledge
A wall for me
Yes
But also for u
tepid vale
@clever path actually if you want the wall you can have it
tepid vale
it's like the third boss's entire moveset
clever path
Yes please
restive spoke
Kill bull first. Dodge his attacks. When Theseus is about to throw his spear, either hide behind a pillar, or spam dash at the right time
undone birch
But yeah bosses become easier the more you do them.
Just by experience
restive spoke
That’s my tipi
And yes like sparksen said it gets so much easier the more u visit it
undone birch
I died in the beginning often to hydra. Now I never die to it
restive spoke
I struggled a lot on biome 3 fight
But now it’s pretty much a breeze
@clever path btw check out the new boss guide video by Jawless Paul
undone birch
I struggled more on hydra then on fight 3 lol
But now it still consistently takes a DD from me
restive spoke
Also read Hael’s wall of text
candid nimbus
boss 3 is a DD sink for me
candid nimbus
Yeah I'm a jack of all trades, bad at all!
undone birch
(don look it up seeing it yourself the first time Is glorious)
tepid vale
Also read Hael’s wall of text
@restive spoke ahhhh
please don't call me hael, that's someone else
restive spoke
Lysol’s wall of text
tepid vale
I am Lysol if you need something faster to type
undone birch
tepid vale
yeah my guide doesn't cover EM3
restive spoke
Also read this
Tips for Theseus/Minotaur (Elysium/Biome 3):
Focus down Minotaur first. Minotaur telegraphs his attacks via a "windup" animation. Either get away from him, or get the timing down so that you are in dodge invincible frames animation when he swings. His go-to is a two swing + leap combo, "just time it" is the best I can offer. He's vulnerable after the leap. He also telegraphs his charge-at-you attack, which you need to avoid by dodging through a pillar to make him hit the pillar instead. It can be a bit tricky since sometimes you dodge through a pillar but he sorta sideswipes it and continues to hit you. Again, he's vulnerable for a few seconds after his charge, get in some swings there. Never stop dodging.
Focus on Theseus second. Generally while you kill Minotaur, Theseus will be off doing his own thing chucking his spear at you (you'll hear a beep-beep and see a target icon, you sorta just have to keep dashing and "time it" to dodge the spear + return animation. Most of the time Theseus is on the opposite side of the map, but if you get close, Theseus will charge up a spin-attack which you'll have to dodge using invincibility frames or get away from in terms of range. At ~50% HP, Theseus will turn into Phase 2 Theseus where he calls upon the Gods to damage you (literally just circles on the ground that follow you). Good time to hit Theseus since he's attack-able from all sides (normally Theseus is invulnerable from the front, except when he throws his spear). I just facetank the damage while spamming dodge if I'm healthy enough, and Theseus generally dies in the middle of his god-summon animation or shortly afterwards.
Shoutout to the guy that wrote this for me u a real homie
Also watch the boss guide video
Good luck
candid nimbus
Good luck!
tepid vale
purple rock?
candid nimbus
Might be challenge island in asphodel
tepid vale
well
either way, good luck
karmic parcel
is there any way to respec my weapon upgrades?
candid nimbus
Well, unless you haven't saved yet, i.e. walk into bedroom or cleara run
restive spoke
is there any way to respec my weapon upgrades?
@karmic parcel technically there is one way that involves some exploiting of game mechanics
Yes basically what pokeuser said
candid nimbus
BLood trick: Spend titan blood, do not go into bedroom- immediately go on a run. Then give-up will revert you back to courtyard save. run never happened, blood never spent
clever path
I don’t know what aspect I want to get tbh
clever path
Lol bad timing
restive spoke
Where?
clever path
Shield mostly
restive spoke
Let’s go where?
fathom ledge
Might have seen this boon before, but is there one that adds defect to basic Shield attack?
deflect*
honest vigil
Had to use my dd and and almost died myself, but hyrdra is dead
nova star
No
restive spoke
Shield mostly
@clever path chaos is a good one just some nice stuff
Zag shield is also good now
Especially when u have low blood
nova star
Besides divine strike
tepid vale
Might have seen this boon before, but is there one that adds defect to basic Shield attack?
@fathom ledge athena's attack boon adds deflect to any attack
honest vigil
feelsgoodman
tepid vale
is that what you meant?
fathom ledge
ah yeah thats right
clever path
I have all 6 titan blood, should I just dump it all into one aspect?
restive spoke
Yes
tepid vale
zag shield go
restive spoke
Because level 1 aspects suck
tepid vale
40 base damage baybeee
clever path
Lol wasn’t expecting that answer
restive spoke
I also second zag shield
tepid vale
it hits so hard
restive spoke
(Although if u invest in chaos shield it would prob be better in the long run)
tepid vale
but only if you're good at shield
restive spoke
I do love 40 damage tho
honest vigil
Is this elysium place hard
tepid vale
if you're better at something else go for that
candid nimbus
I don't think I spent my initial titan blood until I got 15 lol
clever path
I just dumped it into chaos
tepid vale
@honest vigil yes'
restive spoke
Now that I think about it
candid nimbus
Elysium is... a tough place
honest vigil
fun
tepid vale
absolutely
candid nimbus
but you can do it
restive spoke
Is this elysium place hard
@honest vigil extremely hard
tepid vale
prepare for fast, high damage enemies that can't be hitstunned
tepid vale
and also other guys who aren't scary at all
candid nimbus
They can be hitstunned though
tepid vale
it's +15 base damage