h1-for-new-players

[lusty spade]

I may have uh traded my first titan blood for gemstones

[cold garnet]

lul regretted already?

[lusty spade]

Don't think the 1 extra would make much difference to my current situation

At least the halls are pretty

Doggo needed a bed :<

[cold garnet]

if i show you my house right now you will know that to fullfill the house need almost 10k gem

[drowsy sand]

Doggo needed a bed
@lusty spade Well can't fault you for that when you put it that way...

[cold garnet]

my house is complete tho. nothing more to buy

feel greattttttt

yeah and doggo need toy too

[lusty spade]

Oh yeah what's up with fish spawns, they seem to be excessively rare

[cold garnet]

nope not that rare

[main coral]

if i show you my house right now you will know that to fullfill the house need almost 10k gem
@cold garnet are diamonds just for cosmetic stuff?

[lusty spade]

I've been getting like 2 per run at most

Across all biomes

[cold garnet]

songs, decoration, story stuffs

[lusty spade]

ugh I need to grind some diamonds

Suppose that's easy enough, just gotta beat hydra

[cold garnet]

music in house is always great tho

ambrosia is neee to unlock too

basically everything is important

[lusty spade]

:/ I really hate fighting Bullboi and Buddy Boi

[cold garnet]

but in different time of the game

they just fineeeee. i mean remember bull animation and listen to Asterius

you will know how to dodge

[dry kernel]

AYYY i finally made it!

Poseidon call is very powerful

[hot surge]

I am really loving all the "not so skilled" friendly features added like the healing springs and the small shops. Because of these things I've been able to get to elysium 4 out of 5 tries. But one thing I've definitely been neglecting is the right click blood casts. Other than Dyonisis I'm not sure what other god boons are worth having for it.

[dry kernel]

demeter right click is very good

and the duo boon for ares and Artemis us also a good right click

[vocal nymph]

all casts are good

zag cast is still nuts

[hot surge]

so far I've had the most success with bow and shield. Sword actually feel slhte mots difficult

[potent merlin]

So Skelly, Cerb... Any other recommendations for early gifting?

[restive spoke]

So Skelly, Cerb... Any other recommendations for early gifting?
@potent merlin depends I would say

For example ares Athena Zeus are some good ones if ur going for fist runs

Also the dog gives u max hp which is nice

[hot surge]

what doe sskelly give?

[queen fiber]

does anyone have any suggestions on how to effectively fight a doomstone? i can beat it but i take a lot of damage :v

[plucky nest]

What is that again, sorry?

[sly vigil]

There is no trick, really. I tend to just focus the main crystal

[plucky nest]

Oh! Yeah.

[sly vigil]

Just burst it down as quickly as you can. Be mindful not to step in between the big one and the small one.

[grizzled pond]

if you're using a weapon like the spear or shield, i typically just chuck the special from a distance or to line up and take out the smaller guys as well so they dont get overwhelming

[queen fiber]

i've been using hera's bow a low so honestly ive just been spamming my special a lot aklsdjfhlakjfd

[sly vigil]

Yeah Hera Bow Special is quite underwhelming

You are better off using Trippy Shot

With a Cast/Attack hybrid

[pulsar frigate]

the bow buffs made the attack part of the hybrid much more useful

[slim nexus]

Hey, how should I spend my titan blood to unlock Guan Yu the the earliest? Im confused on if I need to unlock aspects or if I could just upgrade Aspect of Zag

[sly vigil]

@slim nexus please check the pins in #h1-story-discussion

[slim nexus]

Do the aspect of zag ones count as an unlocked aspect then?

So the fastest would be 1 level on each Zag aspect?

[sly vigil]

I don't think so

I see what you mean now

Actually don't quote me on that

I might not know what I'm talking about

[slim nexus]

Yeah I saw people getting it before beating the game for the first time and I'm just a bit confused on the wording and people saying different things lol

[queen fiber]

hm i haven't used cast v much because it seems like kind of a hassle? like if it doesn't do the last hit on an enemy you have to kill it before being able to cast again

[sly vigil]

Wait

You are using Hera Bow and not using cast?

[queen fiber]

uh

i mean i got the game like, a few hours ago so im kind of just

doing whatever lol

[sly vigil]

Oh i see

[lavish gazelle]

once you have Boiling Blood from the mirror, the cast debuffs enemies to make them take 50% more damage while it's in them

[sly vigil]

I think we had a misunderstanding

[lavish gazelle]

that's very worth it

you also get 3 of them, and that's without even getting into boons that add things to your cast

[sly vigil]

Hera Bow is a special bow that basically the poster child of a cast build. If you just got the game then maybe you don't have access to that yet?

If you actually do then you should try casting with said bow.

[queen fiber]

yeah i dont have it yet

[sly vigil]

Yeah bow is bit tricky

Just use dash attack a lot.

Dash attack lets you charge faster

Hunter Dash (Artemis dash) is quite strong on bow

I don't think you should focus on using special with bow.

[queen fiber]

ahh yeah okay ill try that

[sly vigil]

Yeah look for hammers like Triple shot twin shot or chain shot

Other good things are Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite attack) and Deadly Strike (Artemis Attack)

[unborn hornet]

Bow dash attack is snappier, but it's got less base damage than a standard power shot, so don't move if you don't need to

Stage 2 teaches you this idea a little more actively than the others if you're too dash-happy, I think

[vocal nymph]

depends

dash attack being faster matters a lot

but definitely learn both timings

[unborn hornet]

It absolutely does yeah

[vocal nymph]

and if you don't need to dash, don't dash

which is a general rule

don't dash if you don't have a good reason to

[unborn hornet]

Crucial for keeping up the DPS when things get messy

Ideally with Coronacht you want to be in a position where you can't be hit but you can shoot your targets, but that's not always the case, which is where the dash attack helps, as well as the special if you're spicy enough

[sly vigil]

Bow dash strike receives a really nice buff

It's p solid now, not that it wasn't before

[unborn hornet]

Loading on-hit effects such as Weak into the special can help spread them around the room pretty quick-like, and of course there's always the risky move of trying to shotgun things at point-blank with the special spread

[prime crater]

How in Oblivion do you efficiently dash-strike with a bow which needs to load???

[unborn hornet]

There's a rhythm to it

[vocal nymph]

^

once you get it down dash striking is probably easier than normal

[unborn hornet]

I don't know if this is different in 1.0 but when I was playing in early access, dashing while drawing the bow fires the shot regardless of whether you've released the attack button

Which can frick you up a little

[prime crater]

Yeah, but it still takes forever and I get hit 10 times before I move

[vocal nymph]

you want to dash and then immediately start charging

keep your space anyways

[sly vigil]

You just do it. I got videos of me running around with bow on medium heat.

[prime crater]

Okay

[sly vigil]

https://youtu.be/zlTiLXsPKM8 don't mind the broken sound please. Just mute it

[leaden whale]

Should I spend 15 keys for 1 titan blood limited offer?

[prime crater]

I say yes

You can get the keys on runs again

But before finishing the game, getting more than 6 blood is a pain in the butt

[sly vigil]

yeah 15 keys for blood is a steal

always take it

[lavish gazelle]

depends on how early on you are, keys are very valuable in the very early game and blood isn't, but that reverses fairly quickly

[sly vigil]

honestly even early game I would grab that still

[fossil dove]

About blood actually. Is it obtainable without unlocking heat? I got the weapons and spent the 6 I had. I'm looking to get more.

[sly vigil]

You can get more by fishing (super rare) or buy from Styx shop

Otherwise the most reliable way is to climb heat

[fossil dove]

Is Styx one of the areas? Also you can fish?

So far I have only made it to the third area.

[sly vigil]

Yeah

You will see that soon

Sorry if I spoil that. Since you mentioned heat I assume you beat the game already

But you can fish

[fossil dove]

No worries. I'm not concerned with spoilers.

[sly vigil]

And once you get to new areas you will see what I mean by Styx shop

[fossil dove]

I know about heat from the wiki

[sly vigil]

Can't miss it.

[fossil dove]

Roger Roger. Thanks for the help.

[coarse nexus]

If you turn on God Mode for the first time with 10 deaths in a row and no clears, are you retroactively awarded 20% more damage reduction on top of the base 20%?

[odd forge]

If you turn on God Mode for the first time with 10 deaths, are you retroactively awarded 20% more damage reduction on top of the base 20%?
@coarse nexus no, it starts counting when you turn it on [and stops counting if you turn it off: but it doesn't reset if you turn it off-then-on, if you see what I mean].

[coarse nexus]

Alright, thanks!

[leaden whale]

I feel like the blade is difficult to play with.
Its hard to keep distance.

Any tips? Should I stick to bow and arrow for now and comeback to blade after sometime?

[wraith saffron]

I’ve been most comfortable with the default blade. (New player)

[gilded thistle]

Hm

Blade gets easier to handle later on, I feel

I wouldn't know what to say since the Coronacht is the weapon I use the least

[sly vigil]

I used rail to clear my first runw

Then bow then sword

No shame hiding behind range

[wraith saffron]

This is embarassing but I just figured out you can click R again after you pick a weapon to show further upgrades of that weapon

[novel pilot]

hey i maybe buy this game is it worth it?

[sly vigil]

You are asking the game server so the answer would be quite predictable, wouldn't it?

Although what kind of game do you think Hades is? Maybe we can help with some expectations

[novel pilot]

i knew its a rouge like with diablo combat and i dont know if i enjoy it in the long run

[split mountain]

Bow users do you try and spam quick shots or do you place long ones?

[gilded thistle]

whistles, quicly exits

[sly vigil]

Do powershot with dash strike

[split mountain]

hey i maybe buy this game is it worth it?
@novel pilot I bought it without even watching a playthrough based on the art style, the huge positive sentiment from the community and the sale price

And I love it

Best impulse purchase

[sly vigil]

@novel pilot yeah the combat is more akin to action games than RPG games. It's a roguelite, you do get a decent amount of upgrades over time.

[split mountain]

Do powershot with dash strike
@sly vigil ok let's give this a go

[novel pilot]

it looks really cool but i didnt understand anything during combat. i really enjoyed dead cells so i should be fine

[sly vigil]

Combat is fairly straightforward.

You just need to actually play the game

[lapis atlas]

If you've played Bastion and enjoyed the combat there, Hades is very much akin to that.

on a base level

[obsidian locust]

It's got a pretty good story as well

[north quail]

is ||bone hydra|| the last boss in ||asphodel||?

i don't really know if that's a spoiler but i marked it anyways

[wicked holly]

Technically, each biome only has one actual Boss. There are mini-boss encounters, but those aren't "bosses". Effectively: yes to your question @north quail

[north quail]

thanks!

[maiden quail]

I also came from dead cells and am enjoying it a lot IReazon

[novel pilot]

ok i gonna buy it today ty guys :)

[obsidian locust]

Nice. Welcome to hell. We hope you enjoy your stay

[split mountain]

Do powershot with dash strike
@sly vigil man, I got farther than before doing this and lasted longer in the meg fight but I still died cus I couldn't do enough damage to put her down

[lapis atlas]

Don't forget, you are here forever

[sly vigil]

Do you want an example run of that playstyle?

[split mountain]

Yeah ok that would help thanks

Also bullet hell is kinda hard

Playing on switch handheld

[sly vigil]

Actually it contains some spoiler. You can watch it at your own discretion I guess.

[split mountain]

Might just be me

[sly vigil]

https://youtu.be/zlTiLXsPKM8 mute the broken sound. You can watch some rooms in Tartarus for reference if you don't want too much spoiler.

[lapis atlas]

your special can break the bullets, distancing during that makes it easier if you want to play it safe.

[split mountain]

Thanks

[lapis atlas]

The gaps become bigger as well from afar

[split mountain]

Yeah I was trying to deal with mobs too long and she spammed me

[lapis atlas]

tho can imagine it being hard on handheld mode

[split mountain]

When she did her ground stuff I got rekt

[north quail]

nooo it's hydra again

[loud adder]

It will always be hydra

[split mountain]

I gave Cerberus the gift twice but what did the second time achieve? Anything?

[sly vigil]

nothing

you progress some narrative stuff

[prime crater]

(Cerberus is the bestest of boys)

[sly vigil]

but for gameplay it's best to give every one at least 1 first

subsequent gifts can kinda wait

[north quail]

yeees i did it

[split mountain]

Ah really

[prime crater]

the foul beast is truly a fearsome foe. congratulations

[weak sluice]

what are the uses for diamonds? should I free orpheus or there is better?

[sly vigil]

Free him

[weak sluice]

ok

[sly vigil]

That actually unlocks some gameplay stuff

Other uses for diamonds mostly include fluff.

[prime crater]

and some nifty upgrades regarding grinding

[weak sluice]

alright thank you

[split mountain]

Yes I just did meg

[leaden whale]

Are rerolls permanent or do they dissappear when run is over?

[north quail]

Yes I just did meg
cool! gg

[fiery zodiac]

im new

[thick lynx]

are there any good guides for bosses? im stuck on boss 3

not sure if im just bad or its not possible without more upgrades

im on run 6 so thats the extent of my upgrades

i do peanuts damage

im throwing peanuts at em

[prime crater]

I was just about to give you a very uplifting message how I struggle with them too, but seeing that I am on run 50, I have very much second thoughts about that.

[thick lynx]

tbh i save scummed before it because i wanted to practice

but i just cant make any headway

[prime crater]

Anyway, your friends are the 2nd dash, Athena's Deflect (dash deflect is my go to), probably Boiling Blood.

[loud adder]

Don't forget your pals The Pillars

[prime crater]

That mouthy one can't block Hangover by the way. If you manage to get him to get it. Same goes for Doom.

[thick lynx]

i have hangover with the dash, i could probably dash them to death but it would take a million years cause it dont do a lot of damage

[prime crater]

Well, yes.

Also good lesson in trickery: Afrodite's Call.

Very fun 😈

[north quail]

i've never seen it

only zeus's and poseidon's

[prime crater]

Afrodite's Call gives Charm.

[loud adder]

Oh yes Aphrodite's call took like half of one of their healthbars last time I used it

I didn't even understand what happened

[north quail]

my favorite boons come from hermes or poseidon i think

[thick lynx]

i was wondering if there was maybe any "no damage" runs but couldnt find any on youtube

[prime crater]

Welp, probably the big dude got Charmed and turned on his mouthy friend.

[loud adder]

If you end up with little damage potential it's good to try to bet on speed instead. At least that way you will have a decent chance at avoiding attacks.

• there are boons that increase damage based on your speed bonus

[thick lynx]

i guess i have to play more safe

thanks for the tips

[prime crater]

Also I find that for me, the weapon matters a lot regarding those two. With all previous encounters it is fine with whatever (as long as I don't hold the bow). But the thord location I managed to clear completely only with the Veratha spear (once without any Aspect upgrade, once with the Aspect of the Dad), and once with the Stygian blade (with maxed out Zagreus's Aspect), but that was mostly because I ahd an absolutely wonderful roll on boons.

[thick lynx]

oh yeah im using the spear too

maybe im using it wrong though because i never use the charge attack

but the other attacks are peanuts

[vocal nymph]

aphrodite's call at max gauge also has a chunk of damage @loud adder

[thick lynx]

the special move also doesnt hit one of the guys when hes blocking

even on the return it seems

[loud adder]

@vocal nymph that explains it

[thick lynx]

i cant really get the pillars to work for boss 3

for one thing the boss is likely off screen and i cant really get the angle right so end up having to dodge whenever the target is up

[vocal nymph]

yeah

it's hard

you have to know where theseus is

[loud adder]

While being targeted, you can move towards the boss and take position somewhere where you're aware of his position since he doesn't move when he's winding up his throw.

[thick lynx]

Does the bloodshot do anything when it's "on" an enemy if it's unupgraded?

[loud adder]

If mean basic cast attack, then it just gets stuck in them

[empty galleon]

Hey, how much ambrosia do i need?

I can make it titan blood...

[shell elbow]

If i unequip the pierced butterfly mid run, do i still keep the damage bonus?

[empty galleon]

nop

[shell elbow]

Okie. One more thing. Is it worth leveling up all the different trinkets (i think that's what the called) or is it okay to just use the ones i like, which are chaos and skelly atm?

[loud cape]

you want to use all of the gods' trinkets at some point

since with those you can force the particular god you want for a build at the start of each level

[red finch]

which weapon do you think is the strongest?

[wide shore]

as others have said before: always the one you're most familiar with x)

[shell elbow]

Is there a guide of what weapons pair best with what olympians boons?

[wide shore]

all of them can be pretty strong in the right hands. Though if you ask for the most newbie-friendly, I'd say the Shield

[north quail]

i'd say the spear

[fiery zodiac]

What's with the gifts

For npc

[gray haven]

@shell elbow for base weapons:
Stygius: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike, Curse of Agony (+ Divine Dash)
Varatha: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike (or Flourish) (+ Hunter Dash or Divine Dash)
Aegis: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike, Curse of Agony (or Flourish) (+ Divine Dash)
Coronacht: Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike (+ Hunter Dash or Divine Dash)
Malphon: Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike (+ Hunter Dash or Divine Dash)
Exagryph: Lightning Strike (+ Divine Dash)

That's basically the current meta. But the meta always changes, so I'd encourage you to experiment a lot with any combos you think might have potential.

Even when I don't think a particular combo I come across has great potential, I usually give it at least a try to see how it works out, and maybe I'll discover something new that way that I hadn't considered.

[shell elbow]

Thanks, that looks really useful. Atm i really like thunder flurish with the shield and spear. Really good for clearing rooms fast

[gray haven]

Oh yeah, Thunder Flourish can be really good on those two base weapons. Not very popular, I think, but people probably just don't really try it. Maybe you'll be the one to make it popular.

[north quail]

what do you prefer more: varatha or malphon?

i kinda like both of them and can't decide what to use

[gray haven]

Malphon.

Just go back and forth if you like both.

[fiery zodiac]

What's with the gift for npcs? What does it do?

[nova star]

if you give them nectar for the first time they'll have something for you

[analog marlin]

I know she’s the first boss but

Defeating meg is SUCH A RELIEFFFFF

I used bow lol

I defeated her the 3rd time I met

[north quail]

i defeated her the 2nd time i met her

[analog marlin]

Is it fine or bad ??😂

[north quail]

yeah fine

i think

[stable ridge]

it's fine for a new player, i was so bad when i first started just getting to her felt like an achievement

[analog marlin]

Where are u now ,?

[stable ridge]

knowledge is a big helper, when you're new and don't know what the enemies do, what different gods tends to do, etc. is very different from when you already know what everything does

[shell elbow]

What does dark foresight do? It says incease chances for rewards, but every chamber has a reward already anyway

[analog marlin]

@stable ridge ikrrrrr🥵

😂*

Btw how useful is the right click attack

The one that uses red gem

[nova star]

increases your chances to find boon/pom/hammer chamber rewards rather than darkness/keys/nectar and the like

[analog marlin]

Seems like it does only 1 attack and it’s very small

[stable ridge]

Rewards come in different tiers, Dark Foresight increases the chances of different ones as above, boons instead of gold

that's called your 'cast'

[analog marlin]

Yeah cast sorry

[stable ridge]

as you progress you'll likely start carrying around more

[analog marlin]

And what do I do with the gem I got from the boss

[stable ridge]

early on there's an upgrade that makes you do more damage to enemies that have your cast stuck in them so it's useful to always throw it out

[analog marlin]

I can sell it to get 200 renovation thing

Should I sell ??

[stable ridge]

Diamonds are for Renovation stuff yeah. unlock everything in 'Work Orders' before you do anything else with them

[analog marlin]

From the guy in the lounge room

Ohhh Soo our priority on work orders ??

Fine thanks 😂

[stable ridge]

for new players the only Broker deal I would recommend making is 3 keys for 25 darkness that shows up sometimes, that's a pretty good deal

you will also unlock ambrosia long, long before you can do something useful with it but I would also recommend strongly against giving it to the broker, better to keep it until you can use it for its intended purpose

[nova star]

if you're new i would suggest not selling the titan blood/diamonds/ambrosia you find

[pastel cipher]

the 15 keys for a titan blood is also a pretty good deal

when it comes up

[shell elbow]

What is the easiest heat option to start with?

[candid nimbus]

I like slightly more enemies

[analog marlin]

soo i should not use up my titan blood for 200 renovation points ??

[candid nimbus]

I don't recommend that no

[analog marlin]

where else can i use it ??

[candid nimbus]

For nicer things unlock ||all the weapons || then you'll see *

[analog marlin]

how many of them i need for that ?

[raw coral]

Many

[analog marlin]

soo i should start saving ??

[raw coral]

Yes

[candid nimbus]

I would stockpile Titanblood/Diamonds/Ambrosia yeah

and use diamonds on the work orders as people have said. Titanblood and Ambrosia you'll see use later

[analog marlin]

should i spend 10 keys to get new talents or unlock spear and shield ??

[candid nimbus]

Your call, you'll have to do both either way lol

[analog marlin]

ohhkk lol

[candid nimbus]

but more weapons is more fun, some of the talents are uber nice too

[analog marlin]

and finally lol

what to do with nectar

whom to gift lol

[candid nimbus]

Bribe everyone

seduce them for their dialogue

[stable ridge]

give at least one nectar to every NPC

[nova star]

the only purpose of nectar is to give it to the other characters

[stable ridge]

otherwise give it to people you like best

[nova star]

would recommend not selling your nectar yet either

[analog marlin]

ohh thats all

[stable ridge]

I try to end every run with one in my inventory so I can give one to people in the house i like

[analog marlin]

i was saving nectar for no reason lol

[nova star]

thats all but that's a huge thing

giving nectar to other characters multiple times can be very good on the long run

[analog marlin]

what will cerbrus do if i gift him lol

[stable ridge]

try it and see

there's no downside

[nova star]

why dont you find out

[candid nimbus]

Goodest boi doesn't mind gifts

[thick lynx]

in general, is it better to go for hammer > boon > pomegranate, thats what i feel is best so far

[candid nimbus]

Depends what you want, I personally keep hammer and boon at same level and pomegrantes after

[stable ridge]

sometimes a pomegranate is better than a boon but if you're new it's safe to go for the Boon over Pom

[unborn hornet]

Hjämmers are like, you get a maximum of 2 in a run, so they're high priority

I've heard you're guaranteed to see one show up if you skip one but that has not been the case for me after choosing a chaos gate over a hammer chamber

[candid nimbus]

There's so much build variation that it really does depend on your playstyle and what you want to see

[stable ridge]

Hammer > Hermes > Dual Boon room > Boons > Poms > everything else is a decent enough guideline, sometimes Dual Boon is higher up in priority than hermes

[unborn hornet]

You do be needing the mobility though

[thick lynx]

whats so good about hermes? the more dashes skill?

or the movement speed up

[unborn hornet]

[stable ridge]

More Dashes is the prime one, also Side Hustle if you can grab it early

[thick lynx]

i got the deflect dash and it seems really nutty

[unborn hornet]

Deflecto-dash is probably one of the best all-purpose skills

[stable ridge]

yeah if you're really struggling with bosses then Deflect on Dash from Athena is a good idea to try for

[unborn hornet]

You can take any rarity since rarity doesn't affect its core feature, it can apply a status curse if you get the boon for it

You basically can't go wrong with it

Especially vs the very mean projectiles you start encountering in stage 3 and beyond

[leaden whale]

Deflecto-dash is probably one of the best all-purpose skills
Divine dash is perfect and I'll defend it with my life (and it will defend mine)

[thick lynx]

yeah i beat stage 3 for the first time with deflecto dash

are chaos gate high priority given good health and not close to boss?

[leaden whale]

Especially vs the very mean projectiles you start encountering in stage 3 and beyond
Reflecting Theseus' spear with dash feels just...

[unborn hornet]

Can be a good power increase especially early on when it's a gimme

As long as you can offset the minor health loss

It's kinda player preference imo

[leaden whale]

are chaos gate high priority given good health and not close to boss?
I've beaten bosses with Chaos' curses, so I dunno

[unborn hornet]

I recommend trying out a lot of chaos boons and using that to inform your decisions for future runs

You can bag some nutty synergy in the right situation

[thick lynx]

ive just been using whatever weapon gives me 20% extra chaos and all of them feel ok except the sword i die pretty early with that

usually use slide attack into special and thats all

[unborn hornet]

Alternatively you can take the chaos boon that gives you like double/triple gems/darkness and get PAID

[leaden whale]

To me Chaos boons help a lot when my build doesn't seem to have a good synergy between boons

[unborn hornet]

300+ gems in a run baby

[thick lynx]

is that a good amount? i thought they would increase a lot in later stages

because i see the second chance is already 500 with second upgrade

seems like it will take a while to grind out

[candid nimbus]

At the beginning it feels like awhile yeah

[leaden whale]

I got about ~500 when I beat the final boss for the first time, but I also used Poseidon's Sunken Treasure two times, so who knows

[candid nimbus]

||Prophecy too||

[thick lynx]

how many of those last chance upgrades is necessary for a comfortable time beatng the last boss?

i just beat stage 3 and sold some boons to buy another second chance so i have 1 in stage 4

[stable ridge]

Two if you want to feel really comfy I find, but it still won't save you if your build doesn't synergise. And for an easier option for getting there... try gifting a nectar to your pal Skelly

[thick lynx]

okie thanks

[stable ridge]

and on the flipside you can do it without dying at all if you get a good build early.

if it takes you 20+ runs to even get close... that's still better than I was when I first started

[candid nimbus]

I think I needed 2 extra DD on my first clear, had enemy attack patterns pretty much memorized lol

Got trounced a lot

[thick lynx]

is there any strat to stage 3 armor crystal that shoots a bunch of lasers other than dash around, i took a lot of damage from that guy

[stable ridge]

are you thinking of snakestones in stage 4?

[thick lynx]

the one with armor skulls flying around too

[stable ridge]

or the miniboss in Tartarus?

[thick lynx]

not stage 3 lemme see

[loud adder]

there's no point in mentioning the room number since they're randomized

[stable ridge]

if it's the doomstone in tartarus honestly I try to damage race it, I might lose ten health or so but it's not a huge deal

dashing like crazy is usually a good strategy

[candid nimbus]

I just figure out where the safe spots to hide are tbh, then poke as much as I can

[loud adder]

Try to destroy all the lesser crystals around it.

[candid nimbus]

That is probably the better strat

[thick lynx]

oh yeah i think its doomstone

okie thanks im gonna try some stage 4

[leaden whale]

are you thinking of snakestones in stage 4?
snake crystals should be defeated first if the room is small, otherwise you'll be taking a lot of damage

[stable ridge]

thought experiment: i wonder what the easiest weapon and gods for a newbie to clear with would be

I managed to do Sword with Artemis and Zeus with lots of onhits and that seemed pretty solid and newbie friendly, it would also work with fists and rail

but at the same time that was also a plume run and i wouldn't expect newbies to be plumin

[prime crater]

For me the easiest is the Verata with either Dyonisus's or Aphrodite's boons + Arthena's deflect on dashing

And I am a) quite new to this game (and the playstyle), b) extremely bad at this.

But with Verata like this I was the closest to clear I'Ve ever been.

[stable ridge]

yeah for new and non-hardcore players, Athena Dash feels like it makes almost more of a difference than anything else

and if you get Athena on a run it's probably the best option she'll have too, so it's never going to be a hard choice

[static vessel]

same. verata > stack dps on regular attack > get athena call > buff call duration > profit

[prime crater]

eat your own waves, Hydra
-Athena, probably.

[stable ridge]

RIP ares call duration, you were fun while you lasted

i definitely got some of my early access wins with Ares call

[prime crater]

Though probably the most beautiful combo I've ever got was Zeus and Lady Grandma

[leaden whale]

thought experiment: i wonder what the easiest weapon and gods for a newbie to clear with would be
I think the spear is best overall if your build isn't the strongest

[prime crater]

(stabbity stab!)

[leaden whale]

But I just beat it the first time yesterday with sword so...

[thick lynx]

does last stand boon give me an extra death defiance? i already have 1 and my max is 1

[stable ridge]

No

[static vessel]

spear has range comparable to bow and rifle
can reliably stagger with attack spam
no charge/reload

[stable ridge]

it just replenishes a charge

[thick lynx]

okie thanks

[leaden whale]

also Athena's Call is really effective on the final boss

[thick lynx]

is bronze skin 7% damage resist good? seems really weak

[static vessel]

athena's call is just so reliable

[stable ridge]

I avoid Bronze Skin unless it's at 10% or more

most of Athena's boons are very unexciting besides the dash and call

Sure Footing has uses on some heat runs but is mostly useless otherwise

[leaden whale]

I avoid Bronze Skin unless it's at 10% or more
same, or if I have Demeter's rare crop, which improves rarity with encounters

[thick lynx]

too bad i didnt get that option but i got phalanx shot so guess im going for that

i havent really been using the shoot attack at all

[stable ridge]

try to get in the habit of just shooting it as soon as you start a room

it's a little bit of extra free damage, can't hurt

[thick lynx]

i haev the deflecto dash so i start by spamming dodge until i know what im up against

gonna miss this ability when i die

[stable ridge]

Phalanx Shot deflects but I've never been a good enough player to actually think "oh i'm gonna deflect this with the cast", i just use it for damage, same with most deflect abilities

[leaden whale]

Phalanx Shot deflects but I've never been a good enough player to actually think "oh i'm gonna deflect this with the cast", i just use it for damage, same with most deflect abilities
I tried using Phalanx Shot on the hydra, not the best idea

but depending on the weapon deflect on attack can be pretty good. Especially sword and shield

[leaden whale]

maaaan my luck is bad.
i had like the dash shield and 90HP restoration with AA
and amplified attacks against armor
3 revives never used

reached Hades but before that. I bought something

changed my freaking build

i no longer could restore HP with AA

what is the odds of getting that build again

prolly zeroo

[eager fossil]

man, nemesis with artemis boons feels

[atomic imp]

Hey folks, I’m on the switch, how do I reload railgun?

Ah it’s press right joystick. Thanks

[north quail]

elysium is hard damn

dealing 0 damage is bad

[candid nimbus]

We don't talk about final boss redacted here btw. Also Elysium is pretty hard the shades there are ... something else

[eternal yarrow]

is there a place I can check what I've done with each weapon like blood/diamonds etc

[candid nimbus]

Have you unlocked all weapons?

[eternal yarrow]

first 5

so probably missing one if there's not more later

[candid nimbus]

Once you unlock all weapons it'll show you some stats

but what stats are you asking actually?

Like run stats? i.e. used this weapon and boons? That'll unlock later once you get through some more runs and story I believe

Oh the rewards from the bosses, once you beat the final boss you'll get something that will tell you what you've beaten

[eternal yarrow]

not run stats, I mean if you've beaten tartarus with all weapons for example or hydra

yeah boss rewards

[candid nimbus]

Can also see on the transition map in the middle of a run

Don't think there's any other way than transition map until beating the final boss

[eternal yarrow]

Alright ty

[candid nimbus]

Good luck!

[analog marlin]

HYDRA

HELP PLEASE

[obsidian locust]

Understand what each head does

For starters

[leaden whale]

^this is key for predicting attacks

[obsidian locust]

Always avoid the head slam down move. This can be done easily since the tell is super obvious

He will either slam, bite or use the unique attack (Head aspect?).

[analog marlin]

he throws projectiles and head slam

anything else

[candid nimbus]

Don't panic, make your movements as meaningful as possible

[analog marlin]

there is just soo much happening in his invulnerable stage

[hidden hinge]

There’s a phase where a bunch of heads pop out.
Start on one side (either left or right) and focus the heads down one at a time, making your way to the other side.
You’ll learn the attack patterns sooner or later, but this way, you don’t have too many aiming at you at once.

[analog marlin]

4 heads lorddd

[maiden quail]

What is a fated choice in selecting boons

[candid nimbus]

Is that the reroll?

Oh prophecy

[hidden hinge]

Means you haven’t gotten/used it before

There’s a bonus for using each boon at least once

[median totem]

What is a fated choice in selecting boons
What Zek said. You need to get those to complete prophecies.

And get rewards from the Fated List of Minor Prophecies.

[maiden quail]

Okay I thought its somewhat special lol

[north quail]

i've beaten hydra on my third attempt i believe

3rd or 4th

[obsidian locust]

Nice

[gray haven]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew's Newbie Build Guide
This is just a quick and easy build guide to show what's tried and true for the base forms of each weapon (without any upgrades). It's only intended as a starting point. I encourage you to experiment with anything you come across that looks interesting! (And sometimes the things that don't immediately look interesting turn out to be the most fun!)

I've listed what's typically the main source of damage for each weapon and how to make it work. I've also listed the most-commonly picked dashes for each weapon because dashes can be pretty important.

Stygius
Focus on Attack and Dash-Strike as your primary source of damage.
Attack: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike, Curse of Agony
Dash: Divine Dash or Hunter Dash

Varatha
Focus either on Attack and Dash-Strike or on Special for damage.
Attack: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike
Special: Heartbreak Flourish, Divine Flourish, Deadly Flourish
Dash: Divine Dash or Hunter Dash

Aegis
Focus is typically on Attack or Special or both. It's versatile!
Attack: Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, Deadly Strike, Curse of Agony
Special: Heartbreak Flourish, Divine Flourish, Deadly Flourish, Curse of Pain
Dash: Divine Dash

Coronacht
Focus on Attack and Dash-Strike damage. Spam Dash-Strikes!
Attack: Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike
Dash: Hunter Dash or Divine Dash

Malphon
Attack, attack, attack! Dash-Strike to reset your combo and keep enemies stunlocked! "Dash-Strike" boons affect Dash-Upper damage, but hammers do not.
Attack: Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike
Dash: Hunter Dash or Divine Dash

Exagryph
pew pew pew
Attack: Lightning Strike
Dash: Divine Dash

Figured I'd edit my post from earlier since I've seen people ask for a guide like this frequently.

[obsidian locust]

Pin this pls

Or actually not

[gray haven]

Wow, what a quick change of heart.

[obsidian locust]

I mean in the end its an opinion

I agree with all of these builds though

Its just that maybe it isn't universal for a lot of peeps

So actually nvm this should be pinned

It'll help a bunch of newbies get started at least

[gray haven]

Yeah, that's what I was going for.

[shell elbow]

If I beat a boss on ||heat level 1|| with a weapon, but I haven't yet beaten that boss on ||heat level 0 with it, can I still get the reward from level 0||?

[leaden whale]

Wouldn't Dionisius' hangover be good in Exagryph's attack? Also Ares' special would be pretty good as well.

[gray haven]

@shell elbow please be mindful that anything past the first victory is a spoiler in this channel (also the final boss, of course). That includes ||heat||.

[shell elbow]

Sorry I didn't know. How do i spoiler?

[gray haven]

|| before and after whatever you want to spoiler-tag.

You can't lock yourself out of getting any rewards. So there's nothing to worry about there.

@leaden whale I know that @thorn shore has used Drunken Strike on Eris effectively. But I don't know how well it would do on just a base Exagryph without any upgrades. Sounds like something that's worth giving a try, anyway! That's exactly why I encourage to just see the list as a starting point and experiment a lot with any ideas like that.

[leaden whale]

I see

[hidden hinge]

They’re both good effects, but having chain-lightning on exagryph is just amazing

[candid nimbus]

Not bad to try it out, game is all about figuring out what works for you!

[shell elbow]

What does "borrow" 300 in the shop do?

[gray haven]

Just what it says.

[shell elbow]

So no negative effects like stealing in other rouge likes?

[gray haven]

Well, it doesn't say "steal".

[candid nimbus]

We're already stealing everything from Hades' underworld

[gray haven]

I prefer the term "reappropriate".

[candid nimbus]

Just circulating the economy huh

[obsidian locust]

Yeah it goes back to him anyways

[leaden whale]

[shell elbow]

10/10 would borrow again

[rough ginkgo]

just got the game on switch yesterday, really like it so far

what passes as spoilers in this channel? i've fought (what i'm pretty sure is) the final boss, but not won

[north quail]

can you type it's name like this - ||spoiler||?

[gray haven]

considering this is a channel for newer players, anything that would be considered a spoiler in #h1-discussion
so most things past past the first run clear including final boss

From the channel pins.

[leaden whale]

The funny thing is ||the final boss is literally the name of the game||

[north quail]

he got the game yesterday i don't think he progressed this far

[leaden whale]

Some pleople are pretty skilled, but yeah

[north quail]

yeah i know it's possible but he seems to be a new player

[rough ginkgo]

no i fought ||hades||

i died but i fought him

was using aegis, mostly the ranged special

[latent basalt]

is it okay to put questions that are spoilery here as long as I tag them?

[leaden whale]

if it's related to things before beating for the first time I believe so. Otherwise it goes on #h1-story-discussion I think

[latent basalt]

got it, thanks

[rough ginkgo]

so what's the deal with ambrosia? do i use it like nectar? i only have one from slapping it out of that theseus dork

[cold garnet]

yes it using for the high level relationship and unlock something cool

[rough ginkgo]

cool

[north quail]

i got back to elysium and found ||tanathos||, we were killing some guys here, what was the point of that? I mean, there was a counter for some reason

[candid nimbus]

It's a challenge between the 2 of you. He spawns randomly. If you win you get something (win by killing more than him)

[marsh ether]

You have a friendly competition and you get health for winning

[candid nimbus]

Then afterwards you can talk to him in the west hall, well hopefully.

[shell elbow]

How do I open the locked doors in the hub area?

[rough ginkgo]

for the spear, is extending jab or breaching skewer better? i'm still in tartarus and the only boon i have is zeus' lightning cast

[sly vigil]

Do more runs. Any more details are spoilers and should be asked in #h1-story-discussion

[pulsar frigate]

do you want to do an attack or special build, is the question

what aspect do you have?

[rough ginkgo]

i don't think i've upgraded the spear with any aspects

[pulsar frigate]

extending jab isn't awful, really. it turns a midrange weapon into a pretty powerful long range one

[rough ginkgo]

but i always thought the spear's special was pretty underwhelming damage-wise

then again, if i take skewer, it won't be anymore

i'll probably go with jab

ooh boy that is long

[pulsar frigate]

breaching skewer (and all other armor breaking type upgrades) are boring, but usually they're good

[candid nimbus]

Very helpful

[rough ginkgo]

in the reward preview above doors/boats/whathaveyou, what is the rock with a "!" carved in?

in elysium, choosing between that and a double boon (with poseidon and zeus)

[foggy zephyr]

a NPC where you can get stuff from and talk to

[rough ginkgo]

ah, that lad

[coarse nexus]

anyone else find Special on Q/Cast on RMB to be really bad and swapped the binds? I don't get why Special isn't on RMB to begin with, it's weird

[sly vigil]

Yup

[foggy zephyr]

yeah, I mapped special to RMB and cast to the side button

[coarse nexus]

Cast is always going to have a cooldown no matter which one you pick, but you can spam special

[north quail]

spear is cool at the start but it really falls when you reach elysium, i switched to... the gloves?

[coarse nexus]

if you just want clears at the beginning shield is the most reliable due to the block tbh

get Athena Dash and then you have 3 iframes on short cooldowns for the elysium fight

[north quail]

spear is really weak in elysium in general, not the boss but the enemies themselves

i feel like it does no damage at all

[eternal yarrow]

I can't beat the 3rd boss to save my life 😢

[foggy zephyr]

concentrate on one of them first

[eternal yarrow]

I did , I killed the minotaur first and theseus clapped me

every time, i've fought him like 10 times already

[acoustic gulch]

Inuse the shield and focus on both till they are half way and then kill@the minatour and then the hero

[coarse nexus]

getting a Call like Poseidon/Zeus also helps, just have to use it when it's 4 bars

Theseus has unique voice lines for each call you inflict on him at 4 bars, I've seen like 2 so far

[restive spoke]

Do I upgrade to level 2 DD first

Or max out Stygian soul first

[raw coral]

2Dd

[rigid bison]

Hey guys, quick question. For the olympian keepsakes, of which I only have Athena's rn, what exactly does it mean when it says "The next boon you find will be from Athena"? Does that mean the first boon after I equip it, the first boon every run, (other than hermes or chaos ofc)?

[candid nimbus]

First boon after equip should be that you'll encounter should be that one- unless Hermes was too fast

Don't think it works on the boon Charon offers

[rigid bison]

So if I keep it equipped between runs, will my first boon still be athena?

[candid nimbus]

Has one charge

which does not regen after use

Oh wait, yeah it should be unless hamer beats it

Like after you get back to the courtyard before another run and don't change keepsakes? that first boon should be athena

[rigid bison]

perfect, thanks!

[north quail]

damn that ||minotaur + theseus|| fight was kinda hard

[candid nimbus]

Yeah those boyos are tough

Did you show em who is boss?

[rigid bison]

alright, sorry for the extra comment, but i just jumped into a run with athena's keepsake equipped and my first boon was from poseidon

[candid nimbus]

Oh?

[north quail]

Did you show em who is boss?
not yet

i started with ||minotaur|| and got him to 50% health

[candid nimbus]

Lemme check in my game that's weird

[north quail]

it was the first time i encountered the boss that's why i was so bad

[candid nimbus]

You got this

[rigid bison]

actually, this may be a special one. it came with different dialogue than normal, with poseidon telling me he's been holding back some sort of power. it also came right after a cutscene about ||persephone||

[candid nimbus]

Were the keepsakes changed so you need maxed out bond o.O oh Lol

That's required story element I think

[rigid bison]

yeah it only gave me the choice of poseidons aid

[candid nimbus]

Otherwise that would be athena :/

Forgot there are some required boon starts

[north quail]

or a duo

[candid nimbus]

The duos are nice

[leaden whale]

damn that ||minotaur + theseus|| fight was kinda hard
@north quail don't forget to see your fan in the arena

[north quail]

what

[candid nimbus]

Look closely at the crowd, there should be one not like the others

[north quail]

this would help?

[candid nimbus]

Much easier after the boss is dead, it just a easter egg

[north quail]

oh

thanks

[candid nimbus]

but yeah keep at it, you got this! Good luck!

[north quail]

thanks!

i think one of the reasons why i fail - bad luck on the boons

[candid nimbus]

Yeah it is a possibility, RNG is mean

[rocky sigil]

At zero heat, any build is winnable really. There are some builds that are much stronger and figuring out those is helpful though

[cold garnet]

chaos shield and duo zeus posei
with posei special

or aphro dio with dio special

but for the fresh start

it still shield build

[north quail]

i'm finding this combos for myself i think it's more fun

[cold garnet]

with 2 debuff

[north quail]

yeah shield + debuffs is sooo good

[cold garnet]

i mean if you a fresh man have zero titan blood

shield debuff with athena and aphrodite is very good

and easy

you dont need their duo boon

[north quail]

aphrodite is really rare to me

i've seen her like 3 times

[cold garnet]

weak debuff is very good if you dont know

her boon is strong

[rough ginkgo]

if i take thunder flourish (special causes lightning bolt) on a weapon with a ranged special (like shield), does the lightning strike near me or near the impact of the special?

[dawn berry]

Near the special

[rough ginkgo]

nice

thanks

[lethal whale]

Hi guys, I have a question about Ambrosia and the characters I can give it to. Can I preview what I get when I give a character Ambrosia without going to a Wiki? I'm not sure who I want to give my first Ambrosia to.

And Id rather not just throw it at someone and hope I get something I like

[candid nimbus]

Don't think there is a way to check

[lethal whale]

Do you at least get to confirm it before it is consumed?

[candid nimbus]

Don't think so

[lethal whale]

Im totally a guy who would butterfinger it

alright, thanks

[candid nimbus]

There's enough Ambrosia in the game to work with, just some things will be slower xD

[rapid spruce]

^

I think you guys are talking about nectar though

[lethal whale]

uhh

I swear an in game word called it Ambrosia ;-;

[rapid spruce]

Ambrosia is a different item

[lethal whale]

well Ive only done one run

and I got one of... whatever it is

[rapid spruce]

how far have you gotten

[dense laurel]

ambrosia is for certain characters

[lethal whale]

according to a thing on the screen, 11 rooms?

[rapid spruce]

ok so you havent gotten ambrosia yet

[dense laurel]

yea, probably

[lethal whale]

I guess its nectar then shrugs

[rapid spruce]

but yah nectar is in abundance so dont worry about using it

[lethal whale]

but idk who I want to give it toooo 😦

[rapid spruce]

anyone you want

[lethal whale]

wait wait wait CAN I GIVE IT TO THE DOGGO!? :D?

[rapid spruce]

skelly tells you about it I believe

[candid nimbus]

Most chars will give you something the first time, which can be tracked in the codex I believe

[dense laurel]

u will get a lot of nectars, just give 1 to everyone first

[frosty valve]

nectar used to be called ambrosia

[lethal whale]

Im willing to work with that, ty

must give doggo a treat 1st

[dense laurel]

pat him a lot for achivement

[frosty valve]

and emotional fulfillment

[sly vigil]

if you have controller with vibration on, even better

[rapid spruce]

[lavish gazelle]

giving nectar to Cerberus is actually a really good idea, the keepsake you get from him is useful early on (at least until you get Thick Skin from the mirror)

[rapid spruce]

^

[queen nymph]

Anyone got tips for prioritizing enemies in Elysium when there are butterflies? When there are tons of enemies around, it’s risky to fight the enemies because of butterfly buildup, it’s risky to fight the orb (because it takes a long time to take down), and it’s risky to just clear out butterflies because it’s just a temporary fix

[rapid spruce]

hit the orb

dodge the enemies

the butterflies will quickly overwhelm you if you ignore the orbs

however if there are a bunch of archers I try and take some of them out while getting dmg in on the orbs

[gray haven]

Take the Soulcatcher down asap if you have the damage and range or the other enemies aren't going after you yet/out of aggro range. Otherwise, just get far away to kite Exalted Shades etc. away and clear the rest of the wave first before you take down the Soulcatchers.

They'll have all their butterflies focused in one direction by then, so you can just circle around the butterflies and take down the Soulcatchers from behind, or you can just clear the butterflies with ranged weapons as you attack the Soulcatcher.

[queen nymph]

Does Cast cut through butterflies? I’m using Twin Fists at the moment so not a lot of ranged options

[gray haven]

You can also just fight the other enemies at like the Soulcatcher's 6 o'clock, then move on to 9 o'clock when the butterflies at 6 o'clock become a problem, then move on to 12 o'clock after that, etc.

If you move too early, though, you'll just have butterflies everywhere.

Hmm. I think base casts doesn't, but the others do? Honestly not sure lol. I'm very confident that e.g. Phalanx Shot clears butterflies.

[north quail]

Anyone got tips for prioritizing enemies in Elysium when there are butterflies? When there are tons of enemies around, it’s risky to fight the enemies because of butterfly buildup, it’s risky to fight the orb (because it takes a long time to take down), and it’s risky to just clear out butterflies because it’s just a temporary fix
kill the arhers, hit the orb a few times for a good damage -> return to killing sword guys and archers

and repeat of course

[gray haven]

Once you stun a Soulcatcher with Malphon, just keep comboing Dash-Strike into Dash-Uppers to take them down asap.

As in, you do a Dash-Strike and immediately press Special after that. You'll do a Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper combo in just a single dash that way.

Although depending on hammers etc. there can be faster ways to kill them.

[queen nymph]

Does “pierces foes” mean an attack that goes through block? That one really needs a tooltip

[north quail]

Does Cast cut through butterflies? I’m using Twin Fists at the moment so not a lot of ranged options
i used them too when i reached elysium for the first time, that fight was a little difficult but i did it first try

[gray haven]

Point anyway is to keep them stunlocked as you kill them. Stunned Soulcatchers don't spread butterflies.

Gotta be more careful, of course, if they have armor. Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper can help a lot with dealing burst damage to break armor asap.

[queen nymph]

Just got the breaching cross, and yeah

[north quail]

there's a boon from athena i believe, it makes dashing into enemies with armor deal 999% more damage or so

it's either 555% or 999% i don't quite remember

[candid nimbus]

Hammer

[gray haven]

Piercing means . . . it goes through enemies. And some "piercing" stuff also can't be blocked. Just gotta try lol.

There's nothing with 555% or 999% lol.

[north quail]

i'll check

[queen nymph]

Pretty sure breaching cross is the one you’re thinking of

[gray haven]

Breaching Cross deals +900% Dash-Strike damage to armored enemies.

[queen nymph]

+900% shield damage

[north quail]

yes

exactly

[gray haven]

That's a Daedalus Hammer upgrade for Malphon, yeah.

[plucky fox]

hi guys

just got my hands on hades

seemed like an interesting game

never played any supergiant games before

so this is my first

[sly vigil]

welcome!

[obsidian locust]

Welcome! Hope you enjoy your stay in Hell

[plucky fox]

thanks guys

[novel pilot]

so i beat meg and she dropped smth what can i do with it?

dont know the exact name of it

[obsidian locust]

That's Titan Blood

It's a mid-game resource

I suggest you save it

[novel pilot]

ok ty

[obsidian locust]

No prob

[novel pilot]

when can i use it?

it is for weapons right?

[obsidian locust]

After attaining all of the weapons, its use will be revealed to you

[novel pilot]

thanks!

[obsidian locust]

No problem

[thorn sequoia]

If I quit in the middle of an escape does it save my progress or do I have to start over again?

[prime crater]

It saves whenever you claim reward.

As long as you choose “quit” and not “give up” you start at the last saving point.

[thorn sequoia]

thank god

(pun not intended)

[potent merlin]

How did the bow suddenly get Dark Thirst (+20% darkness)?

[pulsar frigate]

dark thirst gets randomly passed to any weapon you didn't use last

[potent merlin]

Hm weird so an incentive to change each run?

[pulsar frigate]

yep, basically

[potent merlin]

Was it introduce in some way and I missed it?

[sly vigil]

you just likely missed it

I don't think there was any "unlock" for Dark Thirst

[pulsar frigate]

it's just a thing that happens

[potent merlin]

Huh, wouldn’t be the first time. Thanks! 😅

[lavish gazelle]

It starts happening as soon as you unlock a second weapon I'm pretty sure

[latent basalt]

what does dark foresight do? i don't really get what it means by raises my chance for a reward, does it mean I get an extra one if it procs?

[pulsar frigate]

it gives you a more likely chance to get gold laurel rewards

these being temporary run rewards, like boons, hearts, poms, etc

[latent basalt]

oh, so i guess it's for more challenging things where you're not worried about collecting gemstones and darkness, more just making the run better?

[pulsar frigate]

eh

notice that the opposing mirror trait is the one that gives you a rarity bonus

so you either have less boons that are higher quality, or you have more common boons (and hearts, poms, etc)

[latent basalt]

oh, ok
thanks

[quasi echo]

Trying to find on the wiki but is there really a best way to use items you get like ambrosia as gifts?

[leaden whale]

Is Version 1.35966 the latest version?

[undone birch]

if i have a god keepsake equiped.
and enter a new region and dont change it
will the keepsake again trigger?

[pulsar frigate]

nope

[undone birch]

sad:o

[pulsar frigate]

the forced god effect only happens once

[candid nimbus]

Assuming you activated it already yeah it won't work

[lavish gazelle]

what about if you change it and then change it back next region?

[pulsar frigate]

you'd be better off switching to a different keepsake, like another god one

keepsakes you've taken off in a run can't be put back on

[latent basalt]

i'm pretty sure once you switch off of a keepsake it's locked

[unborn hornet]

Trying to find on the wiki but is there really a best way to use items you get like ambrosia as gifts?
@quasi echo You can gift ambrosia to characters who your bond is deep enough with, usually after doing a special favor for them to unlock their last couple hearts

[tidal tiger]

I am sitting on 29 Ambrosia with no idea how to trigger the relevant conversations lol

[unborn hornet]

You been givin out that nectar?

[tidal tiger]

Oh yeah I've got several pairs of people at locks

[unborn hornet]

Access to the administrative chamber is necessary for a couple as well

[tidal tiger]

Yup, got that

[late tinsel]

What characters tell you the quotes to unlock the special aspects?

[quasi echo]

Thanks but I was wondering if I should worry too much about getting them and how I use these currencies ?

ugh why is my name green gross lol

[thick lynx]

in general when picking boons, is it better to try to stack one type of attack, like normal/special/cast

[pulsar frigate]

What characters tell you the quotes to unlock the special aspects?
check the pins of #h1-story-discussion

[late tinsel]

@quasi echo I'd say depends, if youre going to go out of your way to up the Heat levels of you run I wouldn't worry about using the resources

@pulsar frigate thanks

[dawn niche]

new player here, im confused as how to use the summon

[quasi echo]

Also boons can get replaced right? I also have no clue what heat up the level means lol

[meager flax]

How many bottles of elixr does it take to reach max rank with an npc?

[lavish gazelle]

don't worry about heat yet, that will become relevant after the first clear

[quasi echo]

Should I gift everybody once before I focus on one then?

[candid nimbus]

Spread the joy

[dawn niche]

Sorry to butt in

Is there a reason i can sometimes use summon and other times not

Does the bar have to be completely full?

[leaden whale]

How do I unlock "aspect of ???"

[candid nimbus]

What summon exactly? ||A call or a plush?||

[leaden whale]

Is Version 1.35966 the latest version?

[potent merlin]

Yeah, I’ll tag along that question. How do calls work? What fills that bar?

[late tinsel]

@leaden whale you unlock the Fated List, Fight the Final boss at least once and invest Titan blood then a character will tell you how to unlock the first

[candid nimbus]

Call bar fills up from dealing and taking damage

Some boons allow it to go up faster passively or for doing a specific thing

Then should be able to call at 1 bar + with whatever keybind

Hitting that keybind will use 1 charge/bar at a time unless you're at full at which it uses all of it for longer duration

[late tinsel]

Or for a more powerful effect

[dawn niche]

Ahhh okay

thanks!

i realized i was getting call and summon mixed up

i died for no reasonnnn

Lol

[candid nimbus]

Summon is totally different yeah

[undone birch]

in the last shop. the boon that costs 450 is better then the 150 ones?
they look exactly the same too me

[candid nimbus]

it's better rarities

similar to how the costlier poms are a +2 instead of +1

Unless I'm mistaken

[sly vigil]

yeah it has better rarity. but RNG can also scam you.

[candid nimbus]

Well, can only sacrifice more goa- rats.

[shell iris]

the poms are better value

the 300 ones

[undone birch]

but still they look exactly the same lol

[candid nimbus]

I mean yeah, RNG lel

[undone birch]

well in my case its 3x the same boon (dyonisus) and i already have 3 dyonisus boons

so i kinda have to take them for the memes

[shell iris]

you can go to codex, then boons

and see what's left in his list, and how to get them

make a plan

actually I think you need to buy the codex in contractor, I'm not sure?

[candid nimbus]

Codex is Achilles if I recall

or did he sell it off ?

[shell iris]

I'm not sure but I remember buying it and it was very cheap. Something like 100 gems

[undone birch]

i have the codex

and yes you need to buy it

[candid nimbus]

Interesting, TIL

[patent cedar]

That boon list is actually so useful though

[shell iris]

yeah

[undone birch]

well rip

wasnt worth it lol coudlnt get the legendary boon

[lyric sundial]

uh what do i do with ambrosia?

[candid nimbus]

Swoon characters into really liking you. ||It's used to build bonds and get to favours for people|| Dialogue.

[lyric sundial]

alright but what are the prerequirements?

[candid nimbus]

If you have the codex, there's a set of hearts. Ambrosia is usually the last heart

[lyric sundial]

ah

[candid nimbus]

It's also used to upgrade something later down the line

[quasi echo]

I see some of my hearts in the codex are empty but have a ribbon whats that mean? Gifting gives a ribbon?

[main coral]

they'll give you a keepsake if you give them a nectar

[quasi echo]

okay but I am wondering why I have a ribbon but the heart is empty icon

and where do you see these keepsakes?

[main coral]

oh, it indicates that a keepsake is possible. some folks don't give you keepsakes and thus don't have a ribbon

in the glass chest thing to the left of your weapons

[quasi echo]

and to get a heart filled you need ambrosia and gift it right?

[main coral]

nope, nectar

[quasi echo]

okay maybe i haven't gotten ambrosia then lol

[main coral]

ambrosia is for bonus levels after you've already achieved many hearts (5+ usually)

[quasi echo]

on wiki I see ambrosia

[main coral]

you won't be able to give ambrosia if they have no hearts

[quasi echo]

have to search for it

[patent cedar]

Nectar first

After a while they may accept ambrosia

[quasi echo]

oh I do have ambrosia

Well according to the convo I just had ingame but I don't see it bottom right

[undone birch]

does Hunters mark work if there is only 1 enemy?
(hurt a enemy and mark a enemy near it)

[sly vigil]

no

[undone birch]

sad

[sly vigil]

but most fights have 2 enemies

including boss

[undone birch]

well not the improtant boss

[tidal tiger]

Every boss has 2 or more enemies

[queen cape]

if im not mistaken ||charon||, <-- kinda big spoilers, has no enemies during it

[undone birch]

||do the skulls count as enemys in the final fight?||

[queen cape]

they should if im not crazy

[undone birch]

ohhh ok

then that makes it much better

[tidal tiger]

Oh Zalec you right

[thick lynx]

what do the colors around boons at the shop mean? i have athena boon but with blue light?

does that mean its rare?

[mighty yarrow]

yes

[thick lynx]

i also see zeus for 450 gold but it doesnt seem to have color change

is it legendary but doesnt look like it?

[mighty yarrow]

seems so

for some reasons rarity of boons not displayed in all places where u can see boon list

[thick lynx]

is it worth to buy legendary boon for 450?

[dawn niche]

WEIOFOUIEWIOHFHEOWA

NOOOO

I WAS LIKE 2 HITS FROM MINATOUR

TO FINISH

GODDAMMIT

[thick lynx]

i got the boon for 450 but didnt get legendary, i guess because i didnt have pre-req lol

[cosmic swift]

Not a totally new player question but seriously ||how tf do i unlock guan yu. I looked at the pin and afaik, I've beat the game already, have 1 alternate aspect for each weapon, and I spam achilles conversation every run but I still havent gotten it to show after mbe 5 runs with these conditions ||

[candid nimbus]

RNG dialogue

[cosmic swift]

is it actually

[candid nimbus]

Most likely, if you've done everything correctly from the pin

Try unlocking ||all aspects for spear?||

[loud cape]

How do yall pick what trinkets to pick from the cabinet?

just based on whatever god you need for a build?

[candid nimbus]

For the first 2-3 I use a god one yeah

Really depends how I'm feeling or if I'm looking for a certain build

Sometimes I use Hypno's keepsake first

[covert basin]

might be a stupid question but what is considered an "undamaged foe". ie. does it still apply to an enemy after their armor is broken off?

[queen nymph]

Just made it to the final boss on my 13th run, died from ||his second phase almost immediately after it started||. Up until this point I never made it past the boss of the prior area

[tepid vale]

the fact that you even saw it means you'll probably clear pretty soon

keep at it
win
profit||(?)||

[queen nymph]

I realized after i died that I wasn’t making enough use of Boiling Blood.

[quasi echo]

I don't really understand I keep getting stuff from gods and its not showing me replacing stuff but what is the empty spots?

[queen nymph]

I had a super strong combo of the Rail, the big boom upgrade, and +100% Special Damage

Was doing like 600 damage per shot

[tepid vale]

@quasi echo You have five core boons: attack, special, cast, dash, and call (if you don't have call you will soon).
There are also a lot of boons that actually aren't core boons. They influence your build in ways that aren't just direct modifiers to your basic abilities, and are why you'd have empty slots despite never replacing any boons.

[quasi echo]

I have a picture but I don't know if ther eis a reddit sub

[queen nymph]

I think the boons at the start of the run are always core right? Unless they’re a Hephaestus hammer

[tepid vale]

your first god will only offer core boons, yeah

[quasi echo]

ty

whats the bag with skull icon on it

vendor nvm

[jade jay]

Any tips on beating the Minotaur?

[lyric sundial]

i would sugest staying away from him when possible

and slamming his back when he jumps you

[jade jay]

Are any of the weapon variants worth getting?

Or should I just save as much titan blood as I can for now?

[unborn hornet]

The default aspect of every weapon is the cheapest to max out, so they are good to start with

Otherwise, pick what sounds fun for your favorite weapons

You should probably naturally come around to unlocking all of them in due time

[manic forge]

so i just got the game on switch, super excited and it looks absolutely fantastic. Heard there were romance options that give you benefits etc., does going for 1 character lock me out of others? and are all the characters romanceable?

[unborn hornet]

As for the Minotaur: his attack patterns aren't too difficult when you figure them out. Learn to anticipate the charge-up double swing, and cross him up with your dash when he leaps at you. Remember he can throw out a sudden double swing without a windup, so save your risky attacks for after you see him throw that out

[lethal whale]

Hey guys, if I skip through some dialog by accident, is there any way to replay it?

[restive spoke]

No

[lethal whale]

;_;

[tepid vale]

yeah, don't skip dialogue if you haven't seen it before
you have to restart the entire game if you want to see it again 😢

[crystal crescent]

@lethal whale You can actually "replay" skipped dialogue, depending on where you're encountering the dialogue.

• If it's in the house of hades, you can quit out and go back in from the main menu and it'll restart you from your last autosave. As long as you don't enter a different room, thereby triggering the autosave, all dialogue options will show up again.
• If it's in the middle of a run, it's a little different. If you're encountering dialogue with the room boss (e.g. asterius or alecto), if you haven't triggered the fighting to begin yet, you can do the same thing above, just quit out and continue back from your save, and it'll start you back when zag enters the room and initiates the conversation. Same thing with dialogue when accepting Olympus or Chaos boons (technically, the former isn't "dialogue" since the word implies a two-sided conversation, and Olympus gods cannot hear or see zag)
• Basically, as long as you haven't ended the conversation, you should be good. The only time I can think of where that isn't the case is in Charon's shop, where if you buy something (or even if you haven't yet, I haven't checked), the game will not give you the option to quit out and start back in the room.
• If you're in the middle of a run and you really want to see that dialogue you skipped again, you can choose the "give up" option, which will kick you back to the main menu and have you start back at the house of hades (in the courtyard)

[lethal whale]

I didnt think about resetting like that

thanks!

Ill use this info to hear Charon say "Ugnnnnnnh" more times then I have sanity for 😄

[tepid vale]

"Hrrrrrrrnggh"
~Oarboi

[onyx mango]

What does clicking on and marking a boon do?

[sly vigil]

nothing, it's just for you to see the descriptions

[manic forge]

any recommendations on how to spend currency?

or which to prioritize when choosing rooms

[lime ocean]

Is +Attack affects dash attack too?

any recommendations on how to spend currency?
@manic forge usually boons are the best, but it depends on what you want right now. health, money, or mirror upgrades

[manic forge]

ah gotcha, but i meant like nectar vs. keys. vs. darkness

like the stuff you keep after death

[midnight ledge]

well

dont start trading them into each other

[lime ocean]

again, depending on what you need right now the most 🙂

[midnight ledge]

until you know your way around

except if you can trade up on the extra chocie from the vendor

rest is just check what you like

[manic forge]

ok. i suppose ill just save the nectar n titan heart thingys i get, until i understand the game a little more

thanks

[blissful mortar]

Question about encountering the secret boss: || If you get Charon's shop in Tartarus and you don't get his gold bag to fight him, is there still a chance it could appear in Asphodel or Elysium? Or is it just the chance that you get to fight him once in a run, no matter what shop(s) you go to that are applicable?

So, let's say I visit Charon's shop three times in a run. Is that three times I have a chance to find his gold bag, or is it a one-time chance in that run?||

[tepid vale]

@blissful mortar it can show up in any biome

[blissful mortar]

I know; that's not what I'm asking

[tepid vale]

I misread, sorry

[blissful mortar]

No problem

[lethal whale]

When does Dark Thirst go away?

[tepid vale]

I don't think you can get a second chance in a run, but I honestly don't know for sure

[blissful mortar]

I haven't found anything conclusive on the spawning, wondered if anyone would happen to know anything here ^^;

[tepid vale]

When does Dark Thirst go away?
@lethal whale it is active on one weapon each run, and it never stops showing up

[lethal whale]

Im confused about that

Did my 1st run with the Sword (duh), unlocked the bow and did another sword run. After that run the buff showed up on my bow.

Then I did a shield run, buff's still there

then I did a Spear run (buffs still there)

Im so confuuused

[blissful mortar]

Dark Thirst will appear on one of your weapons before you start a run; there's an animation over the weapon that shows it

You just happened to pick the weapon that had dark thirst each time I suppose, and didn't notice it?

[lethal whale]

so am I just picking weapons with the buff and not seeing it? xD

weeeeird

[blissful mortar]

It glows with a purple aura, and it's supposed to promote you using something different each run

[lethal whale]

the buff showed up on my bow when I picked it, but not the shield or spear

[silver bough]

@blissful mortar I'm guessing the modders would be able to find out the answer to your question.
Anecdotally i have not been given the opportunity more than once a run

[lethal whale]

granted, I unlocked them those times so maybe thats why?

[blissful mortar]

Ty for the answer ^-^

[lethal whale]

is the buff random? Or does it skew towards unused weapons?

[blissful mortar]

I want to say random considering how many times I've gotten it on the rail in the past, but I can't say for sure considering I almost always choose the weapon with dark thirst hahaha

[silver bough]

I think its random for Dark Thirst but I wish/hope it is pseudo-random

Because sometimes it seems like it stays on the same weapon too many times in a row, or doesn't hit a weapon for a while for me

[lethal whale]

that makes me think it's random

because it wouldnt be if it swapped from weapon to weapon, run after run, never repeating

randomness tends to repeat things

and SO MANY PEOPLE don't understand that

[blissful mortar]

It's been months ago since I've gotten repeated dark thirst; at the very least, I haven't seen it repeat any time recently for me, though, that's just me

Maybe they changed it to be pseudo-random instead of full-random but, I haven't done enough runs to know for sure

[silver bough]

In blood-price mine was still random/repeating. I haven't played enough 1.0 yet to tell if that is still the case

[lethal whale]

Im wondering if they ever mentioned anything in patch notes

[blissful mortar]

They've done a LOT with the 1.0 update, so if that happened to be one of the small things they changed, I wouldn't be surprised

[lethal whale]

well I went through the 1.0 patch notes and searched for "Dark Thirst" and didn't find anything

[blissful mortar]

On the other hand, if it's not something that's gotten any notice on or anyone posting in #hades-feedback I can also see it not changing

[lethal whale]

;-;

[blissful mortar]

Fair fair haha

[silver bough]

True. No big deal overall

[mortal trellis]

Is the 8-key weapon worth it... when im using bow most of the time...

[lethal whale]

I'd say that all weapons are worth it, but I like swapping things up for the sake of new experiences

all depends on what you want though

[blissful mortar]

In terms of cost vs worth, it'll pay itself off in prophecy-rewards eventually

[queen fiber]

is it more worth it to spend keys on weapons or the mirror first? i have the first four weapons (sword, shield, lance, bow) and have only unlocked boiling blood and infernal soul w/keys so far

[mortal trellis]

The other weappns dont have area attacks... while bow special is king.... does the 8 key weapon have better area attack than bow?

[blissful mortar]

I'd say do the mirror till you get the first 9 aspects, then weapons or mirror

What do you mean by area attacks?

[mortal trellis]

Like the wide range special attack of bow

[blissful mortar]

Plenty of the weapons have large-range attacks

I just don't remember which one was 8 keys

If it was Malphon then that would definitely not be the weapon for you lol

[jade jay]

I would recommend unlocking all the weapons first then start working on the mirror

[mortal trellis]

Cannon like weapon

[blissful mortar]

Apparently the Rail only unlocks once you have the rest of the weapons unlocked

so if you want the rail, which is a mix between Bastion's Fang Repeater and its mortar, then yes it's worth it

[jade jay]

It’s OK some of the hammer upgrades are nice with it, The main focus of the rail is the grenade launcher special, it is dope!

[blissful mortar]

The first time I finished a run was actually with the rail

[midnight ledge]

well depends on the aspect

[blissful mortar]

That's true, but, I'm under the assumption they haven't done a full run yet

The rail is currently my least favorite, despite using it so much at the beginning

[midnight ledge]

tbh imo it matters alot if you play it on controller or keyboard and mouse

special just feels kinda bad on controller

[thick lynx]

what does the ||fated choice|| that pops up sometimes on boons imply? im pretty sure there is more than one choice i havent picked before but it only shows up for one