h1-for-new-players

[weary birch]

I wonder how far in I am.

I wonder whether I'll find a way to make the early game go quicker.

[analog radish]

There are 4 areas, the last one is a bit shorter

You can play faster by learning damage rotations for the weapons (for the base bow its just dash strike repeatedly) and learning to make builds

If you mean early game as in meta progress i would suggest prioritising what you unlock

Pick the gods you like, I would suggest getting the keepsake from Aphrodite, Artemis and Athena by giving them a nectar

Start out your runs by thinking of what main boons you want and pick the keepsake from that god

Example, if I want to play with merciful end (duo boon) I would pick Ares keepsake for tart to get his attack and Athena's keepsake for asph for the special

For the mirror i would prioritise getting boiling blood and greater reflexes, you likely have those already

I would only get 2 dds if you don't have those since the third one is expensive and less value imo

Further down you want thicker skin, deep pockets, dark foresight (this one is very good), gods pride

Fated persuasion is better than the fated authority but it is very expensive

[weary birch]

Thanks for the advice.

I haven't used the bow's dash strike at all. I thought that'd defeat the point, but I can give it a go.

I'm not familiar with the term "meta progression". Like, the progression outside of just the run that I'm on?

[fresh bridge]

things like mirror upgrades or the contractor upgrades

[weary birch]

Let's see... oh, I have Athena's Keepsake. I can equip that.

Why Athena, though?

[analog radish]

athena has alot of good boons

athena is very safe because of the dash, im also a fan of her call

aside form that she also has two boons that refill a death defiance

her duo with ares is very good

but i wouldnt pick her as your first god since she isnt amazing damage wise

[analog radish]

the dash boon makes your dash reflect so you are also safe during dash attacks from alot of damage sources

normally you have iframes during an empty dash but not a dash attack

[weary birch]

lol, I picked it up then accidentally lost it. I didn't realize that grabbing Ares' dash would replace it instead of adding to it.

[somber frigate]

Bow dash-strikes still charge up

They just charge 50% faster

[weary birch]

Wait, how does that work? I thought a dash-strike was always "tap X while dashing"

[analog radish]

you can buffer attack during your dash

you will start charging after the dash at an increased rate compared to the normal attack

you can also start charging within a window right after your dash finishes

[weary birch]

🤔 So, start dashing, hold down X, and keep holding it after the dash is done.

[somber frigate]

Yes

[vestal stump]

do attack boosts also boost dash strike damage or no

[fresh bridge]

yes

[carmine jungle]

Which keepsake is better? Dusas or Megs?

[simple silo]

I'm so not good at the game, so I focus up on health, so I'd say in my very biased opinion Dusa's. Plus I never use Megs anyway

[somber frigate]

What metric are you trying to judge them on like

They’re both trying to do entirely different things

[carmine jungle]

Damage

[somber frigate]

Then it’s going to be Megs

[shut hill]

Unless they meant companion in which case it's still Meg lol

But Dusa's is cute because she stays out there for a while

[analog radish]

Lol it took me a solid couple of seconds to realise that meg and dusa have keepsakes, thought of the plushies

I can't even think of what mega keepsake is

Oh its the skull earring

[sweet brook]

dusa's keepsake only gives a max of 1 thingy of food per room even tho the description says like 1% chance per pot or whatever

so it's kinda pitiful lmao

meg's keepsake does have use cases at higher level play, although most people dont ever get to that point

[urban coral]

Yo im new!

[cedar delta]

Hi, new. I'm Packrat

[weary birch]

When should I be using Cast? I'm running with a bow right now and I almost never Cast.

[somber frigate]

If you’re running boiling blood

practically only for boiling blood on highly tank enemies or any boss

the damage it will provide over 15s of lodging is definitely worth it for bosses

not so much for less tanky enemies

If you have a castpect (cast focused aspect) then it’s likely your main damage source and you should be using them pretty frequently

[weary birch]

Sometimes I'm not sure what to take: Athena gives me the choice between Divine Flourish (replacing Deadly FlourisH), Athena's Aid, and Sure Footing. None sound all that exciting, so maybe Sure Footing?

Gosh, just got ganked by Theseus and the Minotaur again. It wasn't even a contest. I got them down to about half health each.

13 failed attempts so far (total)

[weary birch]

Why have all the stage icons been replaced with dragon symbols? I'm getting new bounties for beating bosses.

[shut hill]

Are you using the shield?

[weary birch]

I just started using the shield, yeah! ❤️ Oh, and I just beat Theseus and Asterion with it!

Buuuut then I died. I was fighting the rats and got poisoned and the guillotines got me too.

I had a very hard time against Theseus. He's good at blocking my attacks and I have trouble predicting his.

[shut hill]

Nice, the dragon icon is the shield

[pine abyss]

Athena's Aid is pretty good, great for dodging big attacks and you can go all-out with your damage while it's going.

Blocking I mean I guess, rather than dodging, but either way it's a large bundle of i-frames

[weary birch]

Oh my gosh, if I bull rush somebody, it deflects missiles. And if I knock somebody into a wall they take extra damage?! I learn something new every run.

[weary birch]

How do you all feel about visiting Chaos for benefits? It takes a decent chunk of health and I'm not sure what I get out of it is worth it, evne if I can avoid the curse.

[vestal stump]

its good

especially for cast builds

you can heal the damage along the way anyways

[vestal stump]

or any build in general

[crisp bronze]

to be honest, chaos can be a run saver

[somber frigate]

very good value for what you’re doing most of the time

[weary birch]

📝

Hades' second heart has a lock on it. Does that mean I shouldn't give him another nectar right now?

[somber frigate]

You can pretty often hit a relevant +% boon for your build, and bar that, you can get a obols +% which practically means you can buy everything you want and never have to worry about managing your obols, or a favor boon for better boons from then on (and the hidden +10% epic chance and +10% duo/legendary is nice)

[somber frigate]

It means you can’t give him another nectar

for the time being

[somber frigate]

Btw if you’re using cthonic vitality you can basically read every chaos gate as discounted by 6hp

the hp for the room you just finished + the hp for the chaos gate itself

[weary birch]

Thanks for the advice. BTW, I don't know what Cthonic Vitality is yet.

Just unlocked the fists! I've gotten as far as the satyr room.

[somber frigate]

One of the earlier mirror upgrades

it lets you regen 1/2/3 hp at the end of every room depending on level

[weary birch]

Ohhh yes I have that

I don't understand the benefit of the Y/Special for the fists.

[weary birch]

These seem like the best mirror traits

• Shadow Presence
• Dark Regeneration
• Stubborn Defiance
• Ruthless Reflex
• Boiling Blood
• Infernal Soul
• Deep Pockets
• Thick Skin
• Privileged Status
• Dark Foresight
• Gods' Legacy
• Fated Authority

[shut hill]

Fiery is better for speed pretty sure not sure about overall, Chthonic is more consistent, Stubborn is only definitely better when you have no healing, Greater is better for safety, Stygian is better for some casts, Family Favorite is more consistent, God's Pride is more consistent, Fated Persuasion is way better

[charred kayak]

chaos is pretty good once you have 100 health

with 50... yeah

[somber frigate]

Shadow/stubborn/thick skin all depend on the goal tbh (these 3 are more suited for most weapons on high heat where the alternatives work better for speed for most weapons)
Family favourites is better for 99% of builds compared to priv status
God’s Legacy and Fated Authority both suck compared to their counterparts (God’s Pride and Persuasion)

[weary birch]

I got some sleep after that run. Good thing I didn't start a new one before seeing your posts.

My right arm hurts. I think it's inflamed from having to tap buttons more than it has in years.

[charred kayak]

thats not very normal

are you playing on controller or keyboard?

[weary birch]

Controller

[charred kayak]

ok, heres what i do:

R1 for light, R2 for heavy, L2 for cast, L1 for dash

it will distribute your buttons across your fingers and it also makes it easier to know what youre doing

and also easier time doing quick attacks

btw what weapons have you gotten so far

[weary birch]

All of them. 😤 I just picked up the rail before going to bed last night

[crisp bronze]

is this a good mirror setup?
https://imgur.com/a/IHKRpQ1

please ignore the fact that fated persuasion isn't maxed out

I don't have enough darkness yet

[fresh bridge]

cthonic vitality over dark regen, thats about it

[crisp bronze]

is 3 hp per room really worth it?

[fresh bridge]

ye

its very consistent healing

[crisp bronze]

okay, thanks

[fresh bridge]

there are 50 ish chambers in a run so its about 150 healing total over the course of a run without needing to think whatsoever

[crisp bronze]

also, I found out that the poseidon dash build is really op, but I suck at using it against em3 theseus+asterius + Forced overtime 2, last run I lost all 3 death defiances to these 2 but managed to clutch up and kill hades, still, I think I'll keep up my special build for the last few heat bounties on spear

like, dash spamming to kill everything is really fun, but doing that against these 2 just made me have to tank so much damage

[weary birch]

Is there anything to use the keys for after I unlock all the infernal arms?

[fresh bridge]

in terms of meta progression, broker, in run theres some stuff they can do after you get certain meta upgrades

[vital beacon]

Jesus christ why are all the prophecies so complicated to get done. Trying to go for the trophies and i’m completely lost and overwhelmed

[somber frigate]

? I feel like most are pretty straight forward. Which are you hung up on

[weary birch]

... Oh gosh, Hoarding Strike or Double Edge. They both sound so good. I lean toward Double Edge, cuz I'm dodging at the same time.

[cedar delta]

Hoarding Strike is meh, but Double Edge is fantastic

[sweet brook]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby lmao

Take double edge

[vital beacon]

I’m looking at the guide and it shows me all the steps and i’m just so confused what i’m supposed to do with who.

[somber frigate]

What guide? and what are you aiming at rn?

[versed blade]

If you're following a guide, that's probably the issue. You can get halfway on a lot of the prophecies just by playing normally and then do the other halves by looking at the prophecy list every once in a while and shooting for something

[weary birch]

😐 I can defeat the bone hydra with any weapon except the sword
-# apparently

[somber frigate]

You can get through every prophecy pretty easily with no guide needed

[weary birch]

Okay! ❤️ I've unlocked Aspects! Is there any rhyme or reason to which ones I should go for? Normally I just pick whatever feels right, but Titan Blood is a rare resource.

[somber frigate]

I think I’d recommend grtting one level in nemesis/hera/zeus to start off with for those weapons

They give you a solid baseline aspect to return to where the main effect is unlocked at level 1

[weary birch]

The only thing that was unlocked was the base form of Stygias, so I bought all five ranks in that. I guess the other aspects must've unlocked for it afterward.

[somber frigate]

No

You have all of them available for purchase

with no levels in any aspects

[somber frigate]

These are each really solid aspects, even at level one, which you can fall back to for those weapons

[weary birch]

Does that mean only one Aspect is active at a time and I can flip between them?

[fresh bridge]

yes, there are a total of 24 unique aspects (4 per wep) with their own respective buffs and gimmicks

[weary birch]

This run, I've been upgrading one of my Boons. It's at level 6 right now. I wonder whether I should be spreading it around more. I feel like the bonuses I'm getting are declining.

[somber frigate]

Most boons decline in value if they don’t just do linear pom scaling

the value you gain is usually ~0.7x of the previous until the boon eventually hits linear pom scaling (by level 7 at the latest)

So depending on which boons you have you probably want to give 1-2 levels to your higher pom value boons and dump the rest into your main damage source

[weary birch]

📝 Put one or two poms into the ones that have linear scaling, then put the rest into damage. 👍

[somber frigate]

No

you’ll usually have a few that have some pretty high initial numbers but aren’t your main damage source and those get 1-2

the amount of boons that have linear pom scaling from level 1 is really low

and like kinda misses my point

the main thing is boons like razor shoals (+6 per tick first pom)/ curse of vengeance(+80 damage first pom)/ heaven’s vengeance (+64 damage first pom)/ hunter’s mark (+12% chance first pom) offer a pretty solid amount of value with their first pom

but they aren’t your main damage source

so it’s pretty beneficial to put 1-2 poms in them when your main damage source is already at a high amount of poms

but you don’t really need to put any more than that in

the rest of your poms can stick to your main damage source for the most part, these ones are just subtantially boosted by their first couple of poms so it’s nice once you really get into the trenches with your main damage source

[weary birch]

Speaking of that... it was my damage that I was upgrading to level 6 with the spear, but I still felt like Asterion was a damage sponge. I just couldn't compete.

[somber frigate]

Which strike was this

Not every boon really benefits from poms

[weary birch]

🤔 I think it was Artemis'?

[somber frigate]

That’d be why

artemis strike does not care for poms

it has a base additive bonus of +20% damage right

but the +% strikes are pretty consistent with how their pom scaling works where the first pom is about ~40% of the base common value

so off the dome artemis strike first pom is +8%

and you only go down from there

very minimal gains

you are not getting good value for your poms by investing in artemis strike

You’re better off putting it in some other boon like tidal dash or static discharge if you have zeus in a consistent part of the build

what spear was this? I’m kind of assuming achilles because it’s the main one that makes sense to even run artemis strike with

[weary birch]

Yeah, I'm using the base spear. I don't know how to get Titan's Blood other than clearing floors with new weapons, and, uh, I've done all that.

[somber frigate]

You’ll need to properly escape for the first time to get access to the quicker method

otherwise for now you only have trading resources and then there’s a 50:50 chance for a titans blood to be offered for like 1000 or 1200 obols (I can’t remember the price exactly) in the 4th areas shop

[weary birch]

Something for later, then.

[sweet brook]

1200, diamonds are 1000

[weary birch]

Just cleared bone hydra with the fists for the first time. On to Elysium. It was a hard fight because there's so many attacks and they're hard to avoid without deflect and with needing to be up close and personal.

[weary birch]

What does Rolling Knuckle's "added to attack sequence" mean?

I think I made it to the final boss: ||Hades himself|| , right?

Yay.

the final fight made my screen stutter! I was able to play through it alright (although I lost).

I'm sure it's because I'm on an old computer that wasn't designed for gaming.

Getting to the final boss was fun, but wow, I am not ready to go do another run through four levels of fun.

[weary birch]

I've maxed out the first two purple sections of the Mirror of Night. I don't have the 20 keys I need to unlock the final section, so I'm going to stop collecting Darkness.

[somber frigate]

5 hit combo becomes a 6 hit combo where the last strike is the dash-strike

you just perform it standing

[weary birch]

I think I'll prioritize nectar over gems for now. I think I've gotten all the practical upgrades that the construction crew can give me until I trade in 2 diamonds.

[crisp bronze]

don't know how far you really want to go in this game, but lemme tell you you'll never have enough darkness

[weary birch]

Haha😆

TBH, I'll probably drop after I defeat the final boss. I know there's more stuff, but I fall off after something breaks a game's pace. Getting an ending usually does that for me.

[somber frigate]

Mmm

Pretty sure you will

I think my savefile has at least 11x as much darkness as you need to max both sides of the mirror

[somber frigate]

You might want to stick around for a bit after that

you’re not quite done the main story even at that point

[weary birch]

Whaaaaaat🤯 📝

[somber frigate]

Yeah

[weary birch]

Hmm, I'm missing three keepsakes. The one between Cthonic Coin Purse + Distant Memory, and the two at the end. I'm guessing one is from Patroclus, one is from ||Hades|| and the other is from ||Persephone||.

Oh, there's another I'm missing between Cosmic Egg and Lambent Plume.

[crisp bronze]

without spoiling, that's a god you haven't met yet

[crisp bronze]

https://imgur.com/a/FyWEr9D I mean, that's a lot of darkness when you add it to the mirror

it's not mandatory, but I definitely never have enough darkness

[weary birch]

I've maxed out the Keepsakes for Athena, Artemis, and Aphrodite. Now I need to decide whether I go back to using Athena's (my favorite) or play around with others (like Cerebus).

[crisp bronze]

I... don't know how to help with the one between cthonic coin purse and distant memory without spoilers so, here ||It's from meg||

[weary birch]

Ohhh! That character hasn't offered me a chance to make nice. Is there a trick to it?

[crisp bronze]

I think you need to kill hades once or it's just a question of rng until you can start gifting to them

[crisp bronze]

if you want all steam achievements, one of them is maxing out all keepsakes so....

do talk to them everytime you see them in the house tho

[crisp bronze]

What I do for leveling keepsakes is god boon 1 for tartarus, god boon 2 for asphodel and pray to rngesus I don't get effed by rng and equip the keepsake that needs leveling up, most of them give you basic upgrades although some of them are broken af (looking at your pom blossom)

[weary birch]

What does RNG have to do with the Keepsakes?

[crisp bronze]

it's more rng for your run

[analog radish]

what are we talking about

999358269422321774

[crisp bronze]

if you get bad rng and fail your run, you won't level up your keepsakes a lot

it doesn't happen often since the game is pretty generous, but when you turn up the heat it can get tricky

[analog radish]

999358269422321774

[crisp bronze]

keepsakes mostly

[analog radish]

i personally just equip the keepsake i want to level up off the bat

once you get confortable with a heat level you can garentee wins regardless of rng

[crisp bronze]

see, slight issue with this, I have a terminal case of skill issue, so that's not an option for me unless the heat is really low

[analog radish]

with the worst rng imaginable you can still get away with having no cores for the first two areas

[crisp bronze]

yeah, but styx is the golden area for leveling up keepsakes

[analog radish]

actually maybe if you use god keepsakes for the first two areas you can get a build going and clear faster, maybe that makes up for the loss of encounters for the keepsake you want to level

999358269422321774

[crisp bronze]

yup, that's what I do to basically secure a win everytime

[analog radish]

i think there is also a fun aspect in playing with a random pool

tbh if you shave off like 1/4 of your irl play time by using keepsakes in the first two areas compared to without it might be more efficient

[crisp bronze]

Oh, I agree, but I mostly do that when the heat is down to less than 10 so I can actually have fun and not get effed by extreme measures theseus+asterius

[analog radish]

999358269422321774

[crisp bronze]

with low heat I can avoid forced overtime and extreme measures, and that makes that boss more manageable for me

with random boons

[analog radish]

for em 3 if you are playing with both hard labor and forced overtime then i would want to use god keepsakes lol

but for leveling keepsakes i would just put on the speedrun pact + random stuff that isnt that impactful for bounty heat

[crisp bronze]

I avoid hard labor when I have FO2 because asterius hits like a goddamn truck

[analog radish]

999358269422321774

unfortunately max HL and FO is a pretty early pick lol

[crisp bronze]

I know, which is why I struggled a lot with my fist 32 heat run

[analog radish]

hm for 32 heat you woudlnt need both

999358269422321774

one or the other is safer i think

[crisp bronze]

it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I ended up not taking hard labor on my winning attempt and took some other picks because the damage was kinda insane

[analog radish]

i used to not like fists but it has grown on me a bit

[crisp bronze]

it's my favorite weapon

especially with merciful end

here comes the meat grinder

[analog radish]

i prefer doing chunks of burst damage over many hits of chip

feels safer for bosses

but i feel sword is worse in that aspect because its a bit weaker

999358269422321774

but sword has possidon to run cast builds

[crisp bronze]

I would agree, but it's not like you're doing chip damage with ME

[analog radish]

eh

its still chip

or well, 300 or so dmg every time you dash is sertainly good

[crisp bronze]

yup, combine that with extra dashes and you basically start to shred anything that you can dash to

[analog radish]

but say unloading 3 stones with achilles is quite a bit higher

things that i would concider to be burst damage would be cast builds, so possidon, hera, achilles, beo (more or less) and just rama and hestia

[crisp bronze]

I'll be honest, I almost never use cast

[analog radish]

maybe arthur but ive not played with it much

casts are way strong

[crisp bronze]

wait a sec, Hera?

[analog radish]

hera

[crisp bronze]

there's no hera in ba sing se

[analog radish]

999358269422321774 are you hyped for the new atla movie

[crisp bronze]

but seriously, I though hera was only in hades 2?

[analog radish]

there is an aspect of hera for the bow

[crisp bronze]

OH

nvm

[weary birch]

So I flip between god Keepsakes to get their Boons.

Is there a list of good boons for each weapon? Or, like, general advice on how to pick? Sometimes I can't tell what's good. Like, I rarely buy something to boost Special.

[analog radish]

For attacks with low base damage, fists attack, rail attack, bow special pick boons that give flat bonuses: Zeus, dio

High base damage, bow main attack, rail special etc pick % bonuses: mainly just aphro, but dem and Athena also have alright damage, Artemis for crit but you might want some damage from chaos

You can look at the duos from the codex and pick your boons to try those out

[crisp bronze]

I mean, one of the best thing about hades is that most boons work well in certain builds, but for a list of pretty good options, https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide this guide is what I use

I am a dumbass, I just realized that I can remap the reload from pressing the stick to any other imputs on my controller

no wonder using the gun felt like absolute ass, pressing the stick everytime I had to reload was awful

god I'm so stupid

[shut hill]

Yeah I remembered remapping existed way too late in my H1 playtime lol

[crisp bronze]

I remapped it to left trigger and my god this feels so good to use

[shut hill]

It's why I hated using the special for so long lol, on keyboard special is Q which is kinda tedious to press, I mapped it to left click in some of my last days playing the game and it was an epiphany lol

And for Hestia I would map reload to left click

[crisp bronze]

I use a controler, but this seems really tedious

[analog radish]

You can also remap according to the weapon

For hestia right click can be reload and for Hera right click can be cast

Otherwise I also do right click for special

[analog radish]

O i didn't see this lol

[weary birch]

Yooo! I just unlocked my first boon from ||Demeter||! I wasn't expecting that.

And now there's new enemies appearing. The Wringers!

[crisp bronze]

yup, that's one of the keepsake you were missing

I tried out a full run with eris gun and it's definetly not a weapon I'm good at, but god does it feel good to just bomb everything with special

[analog radish]

I'm not great with Eris either, I think it is finding opportunities to manual reload

You prolly just want to do it right before you special

[weary birch]

That's my last run for the night. Got whipped by Theseus. Tomorrow I'll give it another go.

I used the new button layout today. I'm not sure whether it helped with the arm pain. Guess we'll find out tomorrow morning.

[vital beacon]

Best and fastest way to farm nectar ?

[plain kraken]

Choose the rooms that have it, use rerolls to get it more, buy it from the wretched broker, dio has a boon that gives one

[glass bronze]

is there a way to like preview weapons

and is there a spear of longinus?

[vital beacon]

Haven’t got a single nectar to appear in 5 runs. Is my game broken ?

[plain kraken]

I guess check YouTube for a preview lol
Lol no longinus

[plain kraken]

Just the will of the fates, unless you use rerolls

[leaden whale]

that's a Christian artifact, this game is based around Greek mythology

[glass bronze]

yo \

[somber frigate]

who’s gonna tell him

[leaden whale]

yeah, I know about ||the Lucifer gun||

cause it's in 2 lol

[plain kraken]

Oh wait that is a real name? It sounds like something Monty Python would come up with.

[leaden whale]

what, the spear of Longinus? it's the spear Jesus was mercy killed with, the soldier's name was Longinus

[shut hill]

Also could've been a fun Eva reference though honestly the one in Eva looks too much like Hades' symbol

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-evangelion-unit01-unit01-eva-shinji-ikari-gif-21922833

[weary birch]

Okay, back at it! My hand hurts a lot less than yesterday, so maybe the new button layout did the trick.

I think this'll be the last day I play at it before I give up and try God Mode. So, 🤞

Time for escape attempt 25

I don't understand why Zeus' and Dionysus' attack boons are good for the fists. They don't increase the damage you do. They just add status effect damage.

[fresh bridge]

fists have a high attack rate with a low base

so a flat effect works well

[somber frigate]

Wdym zeus only applies status effect damage?

he literally only does damage unless you pick up a secondary boon for more damage

[weary birch]

The lighting strike. But I think I see it now. Because every time I attack, it chain lightning hits somebody else, right?

[somber frigate]

It also hits the main target

The lightning itself hits the main target and then chains off

also yeah the faster hitting weapons really enjoy the flat damage from ares/dionysus/zeus over +% strikes because they just don’t have as much base damage being thrown around

[weary birch]

I guess Ares would also be a pretty good one to key off Fist.

[somber frigate]

Ares has one duo boon with Athena that lets him output wicked amounts of doom damage as well

it’s just harder to get the build together since the prerequisites for Merciful End were heavily restricted because of how strong it was when all you needed was Ares strike and Divine Dash

They each have their own niche for the most part

[weary birch]

Support Fire must be pretty good for this build too. I just picked it up, and the thought of shooting an arrow with every hit of a five-hit combo is pretty slick.

[somber frigate]

Pressure points and hunter’s mark also tend to pop off on these sort of builds

where you have a lot of damage instances going around

Pressure points effectively becomes a damage multiplier with how many hits you pump out and hunters mark lets your pressure points crits start crit chains

[weary birch]

Speaking of interesting boons, a couple questions about Hermes

1. How generally useful do you think he is to summon?

• Between Quick Recovery and Swift Strike (for fists, if it matters), how do I figure which is better? I'm guessing Quick Recovery cuz you should Always Be Dashing.

[sweet brook]

1. you can't "summon" him with his keepsake, he works completely differently than normal god boons. think of him more like a hammer rather than an olympian. he's still pretty useful tho, similar to hammers but more generalized rather than specific like hammers
2. swift strike is basically always eh so quick recovery is just better by default since it actually gets use. your priorities for hermes on all aspects is greatest reflex, hyper sprint, and rush delivery

[weary birch]

I've been prioritizing the Hammer over the God Boons, when I get to choose. I guess I should do the same with Hermes, then.

Oh! How can I figure out which of Eurydice's three options I should take? They all sound kinda equally good, but circumstantial, and I have trouble puzzling it out

[somber frigate]

By default, choose the bottom

poms are always something you can get and it’s a very rare day when you have enough high pom value boons at lvl1 to really pull benefit out of the pom options (I genuinely cannot remember the name)

[weary birch]

Ambrosia Delight
Pom Porridge
Refreshing Nectar

[somber frigate]

refreshing nectar >>>

ambrosia delight is a niche pick if you already have your 2 hermes for the run (because now you can’t boost rush delivery or greatest reflex up with Refreshing Nectar) or if you already picked greatest reflex

also pick-able if you only have really high rarity scaling boons or at least like 80% of your boons are high rarity scaling but most of the time you want refreshing nectar to help you hit a duo and give you better rarity odds for 2nd hermes

[weary birch]

Oh, you can only get Hermes twice? 📝

[sweet brook]

3 if you count buying in styx but not very likely you'll hold onto refreshing nectar until then lmao

ambrosia delight you'd only take if you already seen both hermes, at least 1 good boon that benefits from higher rarity, and at least 1 good hermes worth upgrading rarity for

[weary birch]

Oh my, I made it to Patroclus with two of my Death Defiants intact. Should I take the extra life, or is it time to finally just pick up a piece of jerky or that sweet bonus healing?
-# if it matters, I have to "complete heal at fountains" bonus from Dio

[sweet brook]

so generally speaking hardly ever lmao

what chamber number are you at

[weary birch]

Uh... can I cancel out of his menu and do it without losing the option to pick something? Cuz I don't know what chamber I'm on.

[sweet brook]

you can hit "b" if you're on kbm

you should be able to check

whatever the boon view button is

[weary birch]

Chamber 32

[somber frigate]

Boss is at 36 iirc

Or is that endshop

[sweet brook]

boss 36

34 is last combat

hydralite gold is 5 chambers?

or is it 3

[somber frigate]

5

There’s no way it’s 3

[sweet brook]

idk man i never take it lmfao

[somber frigate]

Basic Hydralite is 3

[fresh bridge]

3 is reg, 5 is gold i think?

[sweet brook]

that makes sense

i'd take hydralite if you're like about 1/2 hp and play the next few rooms aggressively, or you can just take the extra DD for insurance later

if you're still on fists, the extra attack damage isn't gonna do anything for you

honestly just DD might be better anyways unless you're low hp atm

[weary birch]

HydraLite is 5.
I'm at 146/236 life

And yeah, I'm on fists.

[somber frigate]

Ima be real the main reason I can verify this off the dome is bone hourglass making it 11

reg is 3 fs

[sweet brook]

take DD and don't die before heroes lmao

[weary birch]

lol kay

Oh god, Rolling Knuckle vs Heavy Knuckle vs Colossus Knuckle, all these sound good

Maybe Colossus? It's the only one I haven't taken yet apparently, so it helps me along with my Fated Choice.

Dang it, how do I avoid Theseus' spear? I thought hiding behind a pillar would do it, but it looks like it jumps over or around

Oh god, I won with one life down and 2 HP remaining on my second life.

[somber frigate]

Hiding behind pillars works

[weary birch]

I must just be having a hard time hiding in the right spot, then.

Time to go fight the final boss again. I've got 339 health, two extra lives, and a dream.

Any tips? Last time, it seemed like his regular attacks weren't hard to dodge, but I'm blanking on what he did that got me.

[cedar delta]

Fight boss near one of the two big rocks in the arena

[weary birch]

Oh god, he does so much damage, and his attacks are harder to avoid than I thought. I have him at half health and I just lost a life.

Yeah, lost again. I think I'll just activate God Mode. x.x I'm struggling too much and I just want to see the story through.

[cedar delta]

Are you dashing through his attacks or dodging the same direction he attacks? Are you making sure not to Dash-Strike as you dodge?

[weary birch]

Are you dashing through his attacks or dodging the same direction he attacks?
I'm not sure. I just try to dash when he attacks.
Are you making sure not to Dash-Strike as you dodge?
Aren't they the same thing? I thought when you dashed, you were invulnerable, even if you were attacking too.

[cedar delta]

No, Dash-Strikes do not have iframes

[weary birch]

😐 oh.

But a regular dash does, right?

[cedar delta]

Yep!

[weary birch]

oh my god, I've done 25 runs without knowing this... 🤯 what else don't I know 👀

[cedar delta]

Most damage bonuses are additive rather than multiplicative 👀

[weary birch]

You just mean the ones like Lightning Strike, right?

[cedar delta]

I'm talking mainly about all percent-based bonuses

[weary birch]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That the damage bonuses aren't usually worth scaling?

[shut hill]

For example if you got an Aphrodite attack boon that said it gave you +120%, then you got a Chaos boon that said it gave you +75% attack damage, you would get +120+75=+195% or 295% attack damage and not (220%)(175%)=385% attack damage

[weary birch]

Good to know. 📝

I am not guaranteed an encounter with Petroclus, right? I'm in Chamber 32 and there's an option to pick up an extra life for 200.

I'm out of lives, soo...

[shut hill]

Nope, Sisyphus, Eurydice, and Patroclus are random encounters

[weary birch]

Dang.

Okay, lost on Theseus again. 😵‍💫 I feel like I drew a bad hand on the boons this time around.

[weary birch]

And now I have seven ranks of Dark Foresight. 🎉

[weary birch]

Is there any rhyme or reason to why the Furies change out for each other or the Bone Hydra changes color?

[vestal stump]

how do you guys order your keepsake usage

between biomes

like i get that the first few biomes should be gods

but is it only for 1st and 2nd?

[weary birch]

That's what I've heard. But I also don't have enough of a specific idea of what I want out of my god boons to figure out who to switch to.

[weary birch]

Okay! I just beat ||Hades||! I had to be on God Mode to do it, but it's done! And now that I've seen what comes after, I have questions. 😐 At this point, should I keep it here as I figure out ||what the heck I'm supposed to do to finish the story and get a credits roll|| or move it to a different channel?

[analog radish]

youve graduated

time to move to #h1-high-heat-strategies

[shut hill]

Usually god-god-defense-defense

Acorn, Tooth, Spearpoint, Collar for defense

Hourglass if there's something really important in the well

[crisp bronze]

isn't god-god-pom blossom ||(Persephone)|| a better set up?

[shut hill]

A few random poms is not better than 100+ HP worth of defense in my opinion

[analog radish]

? Wait do you keep the 100hp after you unequip the dog thingy

I've never used it

[crisp bronze]

I mean, the tooth is not that important, I don't remember what the spear does, the collar is not worth it at all

the acorn can be pretty good, but that's it

[analog radish]

I just do god god hourglass hourglass

Potential for touch of styx is too juicy to not pick hourglass for ely

[crisp bronze]

that I can understand since well of charon's item that last for an entire region can be really good

[analog radish]

Quite

[crisp bronze]

but I stand by pom blossom

all those free level ups are way too good to pass up

[analog radish]

When you do get wells (and get items you want lol) in styx the final fight becomes quite a bit easier

[crisp bronze]

I've never really used the hourglass for hades, but I can see how it can be usefull

[analog radish]

For me i dont find that any other keepsake really helps that much

[shut hill]

Nah I just know some people use it for Styx if the effective HP is higher than Tooth

When I played I used Acorn pretty much every time but went Spearpoint for EM4 because it helps vs the adds

[analog radish]

Hm but i could imagine tanking a free hit of arbitrarily large damage with tooth might be good

[analog radish]

Bruh spear point really?

[crisp bronze]

I agree with the acorn thing, considering how unforgiving hades on high heat can be, no damage for 5 first hit is pretty good

[shut hill]

Yeah I lost one EM4 fight because Soulcatcher ate all my Acorn charges so I went Spearpoint for my 40h (and the adds I got ended up being Skullcrushers lmao)

[analog radish]

What is why i dont use acorn anymore

[crisp bronze]

enemy rng against hades can be a real pain for the acorn, but I don't see how that justifies using spearpoint

[analog radish]

Spear point fans vs holy shield enjoyers

[shut hill]

Basically I was just covering for the worst outcome and I thought Spearpoint was the best thing for Soulcatchers (and also poison in Styx), I don't actually think it's the best option

But I didn't want to lose the exact same way as I did that one time

[crisp bronze]

ah, gotcha, that makes more sense

I still prefer pom blossom since if I have an ok run, I can guarantee 5 level ups in styx alone, but I can definitely see the acorn appeal

[vestal stump]

is there a way to guarantee a ||patroclus|| encounter in ||elysium||?

[fresh bridge]

nope

[languid elbow]

is the general strategy to spec heavily into one of your attacks (normal, special and cast)

[somber frigate]

For the most part

[languid elbow]

would you start going into one path once you get a good boon for it or do you just go off the first boon you get?

[somber frigate]

Usually you use a god keepsake to force in the god you want

and then force a second god you want in in asphodel

[languid elbow]

is it not good to have blessings from different gods?

[somber frigate]

After you’ve taken boons from 4 regular olympians (not hermes or chaos), the game only shows you regular boons from those 4 so it really boosts your boon consistency btw

[somber frigate]

It’s better for finding the boons you want because of the god pool mechanic above ^

Hermes works completely seperately which isn’t always immediately obvious, he’s more like a hammer

[languid elbow]

i see

[somber frigate]

The other thing is as long as any of your cores are unfilled (strike/special/cast/dash), one option will always be forced to be one of those for boons

[languid elbow]

oh okay thats good to know

[somber frigate]

So if you fill them out earlier you can get more options when picking the rest of your boons

which can help with duo odds and generically finding secondaries

[cyan mason]

few tales arent told of hades

[languid elbow]

duo odds?

[somber frigate]

Do you know what duo and legendary boons are?

[languid elbow]

not yet

[somber frigate]

Duo boons are like combo boons between 2 gods that usually tie in some mechanic from either of them and require some specific boons from either, usually just 2 cores but sometimes it’ll be like one gods cast and any core from another

Legendaries are similiar but their prerequisites to even find them are usually 2 secondary boons from a god, and can only show up from boons for that god, so are rarer

Duos are typically more impactfulbso

[languid elbow]

ah okay

are the boons you want different for every weapon?

[somber frigate]

sort of? Most are usually split between being heavy and wanting +% strike/specials and being fast and wanting flat damage from zeus/dio/ares

[languid elbow]

also how do you know what to prioritise with poms?

[somber frigate]

Lowkey a lot of practice on my end but for you just one or both of 2 priorities. You want to weigh how big of a boost it really is, and how useful what boosting that action/boom will do

[languid elbow]

is that the same with picking which god and which boon to take

[somber frigate]

sort of?

I’ll just go with “yeah”

[distant sandal]

is there an objectively worst or best god/goddess

[somber frigate]

Pomming has some rules about it too like the first pom is usually 40% of the base common value of the boon (also relatively less commonly 60 or 80%), and then depreciate in value by 70% for subsequent ones so it’s not just random numbers

[languid elbow]

makes sense. do you think pressure points is worth upgrading because it only goes up by 1% every time so i feel like its a waste

[somber frigate]

As someone who does a lot of speedrunning and high heat gameplay, ||demeter|| lowkey sucks, she has 1 viable build for one specific aspect of the bow, and aside from that no weapon actively takes her and most often have better options for third/forth gods

[distant sandal]

thats what i thought

[somber frigate]

Not always the worst depending on what your other options are but most of the time having like 4-5% global crit chance is solid enough

[languid elbow]

do you think support fire is a better upgrade?

[somber frigate]

if you have hunter’s mark and are throwing around a lot of flat damage effects at once like with the rail with lightning strike and support fire then you can frequently start crit chains using it so it’s more like an effective damage multiplier

[somber frigate]

If your weapon is fast, sure

also this is one of the rare times I think it depends on the pressure points rarity where

normally the rarity shouldn’t really factor into picking up a boon but the difference between a 2% and a 4% global crit chance is enough to sway the needle for me regardless of support fire rarity

[languid elbow]

theyre both common

[somber frigate]

I’d take support fire

[languid elbow]

alr

im on a spear special build

[somber frigate]

Explosive launcher / charged skewer?

Or something else

[languid elbow]

explosive

[somber frigate]

Sweet

I was a little concerned you might say chain skewer or something

pure multi-target damage with no bossing potential

[languid elbow]

is phalanx shot any good?

[somber frigate]

Yeah

Big damage with a pretty decent aoe for a lodging cast

[languid elbow]

worth upgrading over crit rate?

[somber frigate]

And the zeus/athena duo lets it bounce around between 3 enemies

[somber frigate]

Did you pick up pressure points?

[languid elbow]

yeah early in the run

[somber frigate]

mmm

How often are you using phalanx shot?

just for boiling blood?

[languid elbow]

boiling blood?

[somber frigate]

One of the mirror upgrades

It makes enemies with a cast lodged in them take +50% damage from strikes and specials at max level

[languid elbow]

ah i dont have that yet

[somber frigate]

+% damage in Hades is always additive btw, (crit +% bonuses are added to the crit multiplier)

so if you already have like +70% from a level 2 common aphro strike, it’d be 70% + 50% for +120%, not multiplying for higher

[fresh bridge]

forgetting trap damage being mult smh

[languid elbow]

should i priorise poms over boons since i have everything filled except attacks and aid

[fresh bridge]

some non core boons are really good

[languid elbow]

whats a non core boon

[fresh bridge]

a boon that isnt filling the side bar thats always visible (except call, call isnt a core boon) core boons are your attack/special/cast/dash

[languid elbow]

ah okay

does poseidon have any good non core boons?

[fresh bridge]

yes

razor shoals, a secondary requiring a knockback effect is really good

breaking wave is also good

[languid elbow]

alr

i got hydraulic might

[somber frigate]

Chose not to mention it

[languid elbow]

what do i do with ambrosia?

[somber frigate]

There are a few really good secondary boons but in general you want to keep your total boon count small for poms

there are also a fair amount of boons that just cannot be pommed

[somber frigate]

They’re for the very last hearts of each npc

which are locked off by a “favour” you have to complete which usually involves just talking to the npc once they’re at max hearts until they give it

some npcs are more complicated then that

[languid elbow]

alr

[somber frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1486939230432133200/26A0EBAE-4736-4C29-AC61-603713768BC4.jpg?ex=69c75392&is=69c60212&hm=2b2e4b4a39114147960beb73eecef3a00bfc676613d265cd020fdd218e255b5d&

As long as you keep your pommable boon count low you can get a ton of poms on the boons you want

[languid elbow]

i just got melted by the poison guys in river styx 💔

[cedar delta]

Styx gonna give it to ya

[languid elbow]

should i use keys on new weapons or more mirror upgrades?

[somber frigate]

You’ll unlock a new feature for all your weapons once you have them all

*and then play a run and die so the House of Hades can update

[languid elbow]

got it

also what is the fishing rod

[somber frigate]

Lets you fish at fishing spots that will pop up intermittently for fish which you can turn in for more resources

they can be pretty decent like

[cedar delta]

Fishing is 100% worthwhile

[languid elbow]

should i get that or free orpheus first?

[somber frigate]

the chaos legendary fish, the Voidskate, is +500 darkness it’s the only one I bothered to remember

get the fishing rod first

It actually boosts your resource gain while freeing orpheus doesn’t have that profound an effect

so you get more mileage

[dusty vault]

Distant memory

[somber frigate]

you get distant memory far far before freeing him

[dusty vault]

I think is the other orpheus contract

[somber frigate]

oh

hrm

[dusty vault]

Remember he's not in the house at the start

[cedar delta]

Must've been a distant memory for Nooby

[somber frigate]

No it was a distant memory for me

[dusty vault]

(but also yeah get fishing rod)

[languid elbow]

ty, for the other contracts is there a correct order to buy features or can i just get what seems good

[somber frigate]

should just be what you want aside from prioritising the ones that give you more metacurrency (darkness/gems/keys) first

since those will let you buy more stuff quicker

and you can always trade gemstones up for other stuff

[languid elbow]

alr

[ripe fjord]

I know this sounds kind of weird but what is dodge chance. I feel like I'm missing something obvious but I don't see any difference when I have it.

[shut hill]

When you dodge an attack a small pop-up text "DODGED!" appears

[somber frigate]

When you get hit, there’s that % chance to just not take the damage

[slim dust]

According to the Wiki, “Huge Catch” increases the base spawn rate of fishing spots in all areas by 20% across the board, and completely eliminates cooldowns (otherwise this blessing would be pretty useless), right?

Why does it still feel like the probability is pretty low to me... If I understand it correctly, I should be able to encounter multiple fishing spots in the same area quite often.

[vestal stump]

only when should i reroll my boons in a run

if lets say i have maxed rerolls in the mirror

[shut hill]

Whenever you want

[somber frigate]

Hitting it late maybe?

If you hit it eary you do see a noticable spike across your run

[slim dust]

As far as I can remember, even during that first run when I got it right from the start through a specific event, I didn’t catch that many fish. Maybe I was just unlucky?

[slim dust]

When you know there are better buffs currently in the random pool, but you're not satisfied with the options you have now

[languid elbow]

whats better a double boon or a hammer?

[plain kraken]

Depends on the run, how's it going, what build you want.

[languid elbow]

what if its one of the first choices

[plain kraken]

Duo, the hammer will come back you'll always get I think two every run at minimum if you don't pass it up every time

[analog radish]

you are more or less garenteed two hammers but not those rival rooms

if you want both gods there is an argument for picking that one

[languid elbow]

which god boons are good for the shield?

[analog radish]

depends which aspect

for base shield anything will work fine

i suggest putting ares on the attack and getting athena special and dash and trying to get the duo

[plain kraken]

Always Athena dash

[analog radish]

no bruh

athena dash mega overrated for low difficulty levels imo

[languid elbow]

is aphrodite any good?

[analog radish]

she is good for several reasons

her boons have large damage modifyers

weak is a decent curse, a little damage reduction nevert hurts

weak is an easy curse to get since they are on her core boons, this makes it easy to get p status (mirro upgrade that gives you +40% damage on enemies with two curses)

[languid elbow]

i see

[slim dust]

Yeah, it seems like I just had bad luck. When I tried again, I kept getting fishing spots generated one after another, and the probability seems to be back to normal

Does Skeletal Lure force fishing spots to respawn regardless of their cooldown? Or can it be found in the Well of Charon during the cooldown period?

[somber frigate]

Yes and yes

You can get multiple skeletal lures from the same well with rerolls and then they subsequently subtract each chamber after that iirc

[slim dust]

Is this just a matter of normal probability, or does the Hub of Styx always encounter at least one fishing spot while exploring all the passages?

[somber frigate]

Probability

[slim dust]

And with “Huge Catch,” you can also ignore the cooldown and keep refreshing new fishing spots in Hub of Styx?

[languid elbow]

whats better death defiance or stubborn defiance?

[versed blade]

Death defiance if you have a specific boss fight that you need to get carried through, stubborn otherwise

Stubborn defiance is basically a free heal per room, which is incredibly busted

[somber frigate]

Yeah

[keen briar]

Generally I would say stubborn defiance becomes better the higher the heat is but it depends on whats causing you to lose really.

[somber frigate]

As soon as you hit lasting consequences 4 it’s wraps for death defiance tbh

so like that could be as early as 32

[languid elbow]

is dark regeneration also better?

[keen briar]

Lasting consequences 4 at 32 seems like extreme overkill but I do agree.

[somber frigate]

No

Cthonic Vitality is far better because of it happening every room and thus being a consistent source of hp through-out the run and especially in Styx

where dark regen only works when you find darkness and you usually only find large amounts of darkness after boss fights where you have a fountain anyways

[languid elbow]

so which alternate talents are 100% better than their counterpart?

i was thinking golden touch maybe?

[fresh bridge]

no deep pockets is so much better

rerolls alt side is 100% better

[languid elbow]

really how comes?

[fresh bridge]

rerolling boon menus is much better than rerolling possible rewards as thats rather inconsistent as to what you can reroll into vs rerolling boon menus which gives you "much higher quality" boon menus vs a possible higher quantity

[languid elbow]

what about high confidence?

[fresh bridge]

is better if speedrunning, thick skin better if doing high heat

[somber frigate]

Deep Pockets is really valuable since you want to use your obols pretty early to help you snowball through the run

if you get the gods you need to into your build early from a midshop boon then your build consistency is skyrocketing up

[somber frigate]

Dark Foresight >>> Olympian Favour

Dark Foresight gives you 7 more gold laurel rewards per run (in run boosts like obols/hearts/poms) in the place of blue laurels (darkness, gifts, etc)

[languid elbow]

thanks

which aspect of exagryph is more consistent?

[fresh bridge]

eris or hestia

[languid elbow]

between the 2?

[fresh bridge]

ye both are really strong

[versed blade]

Hestia is strong at high heat until you need to put blue hearts on

But most people aren't playing at high enough heat for that to matter

[vestal stump]

is poseidon aspect good or mid

ive been using nem for a while now and ive been enjoying it

though i want to explore more big damage number aspects

[dusty vault]

Best sword if you don't like sword

[slim dust]

Does “Family Favorite” count one-time boons? For example, Poseidon's one-time resource boons.

[somber frigate]

1. this would need to be your only boon from poseidon for this to matter
2. as long as it’s in your inventory it’s fine and I know for a fact that every boon other than sunken treasure stays in your inventory anyways

Meaning this isn’t really a generic case, more of a sunken treasure specific problem

I can’t remember if sunken treasure sticks around in your boon inventory or not just bc I genuinely never take it and you can pick-up duplicates of it which is unique among the olympian gods

I might crack open my switch just to see if it stays in the boon inventory but yeah Sunken Treasure is the only case where this could pheasibly matter

If you pick it up with no other poseidon boons

[slim dust]

Based on the logic of game design and programming, as long as it's in the inventory, it should work

[slim dust]

As far as I recall, it was definitely in there; that’s precisely why I’m asking

[slim dust]

I realized I was wrong—it doesn’t show up in the inventory. But I’m still not sure if that means it won’t work, because even though it doesn’t appear in the inventory, it’s still counted toward the prerequisites for the Huge Catch, which suggests the system does track this

[languid elbow]

how do people get enough titan blood to max out weapons when you get them from first clearing tartarus with a new weapon?

[somber frigate]

You unlock a way to start getting them from bosses again once you escape for the first time

you do need a total of 306 and you get about 292 of it from non-renewable sources and the rest from trading up resources and styx shop and fishing etc

[languid elbow]

oh okay thanks

also how do you do boss fights with melee weapons because some damage feels a bit unavoidable

[somber frigate]

It’s all avoidable you just aren’t dashing enough tbh

[languid elbow]

do you get iframes when dashing?

[outer flint]

yes

as soon as you hit attack to initiate a dash-strike, you lose the i-frames

[somber frigate]

Empty dashes have iframes

You can also just pre-emptively dash out of range so you don’t have to mess wjth any timjng

[languid elbow]

so you need to do short bursts of damage?

[outer flint]

yeah

[languid elbow]

is the best aspect on the spear achilles?

[outer flint]

yes

[languid elbow]

ty

[vestal stump]

im js curious

what happens to rta speedruns when they encounter than

[fresh bridge]

they cry and take the timeloss

[cyan mason]

they kill than through glitches to skip time

not even death himself is enough to stop a speedrunner

they're pretty crazy

[ripe fjord]

Is there a way to queue the dialogue you want with any NPC or is it just luck

[proud breach]

Pure rng

I think

[slim dust]

Once I’ve collected all the bounties from the Pact (which is currently the only known main quest objective that grants 100% completion), what resources might I still be missing to achieve 100% completion (including all purchasable cosmetics)?

[somber frigate]

Steam achievement/playstation trophy 100% or like a true 100%

[slim dust]

true 100% (softcap-hardcap)

[somber frigate]

Off the dome, everything from the housr contractor, resource director ranks up to unseen one, and then the 32 heat completion for the skelly statue

codex entries as well

[slim dust]

dome?

[slim dust]

I have a general idea of all the items I can acquire. What I want to know is which meta-process resources I’ll still be missing at that point that would prevent me from purchasing them all

[somber frigate]

resource director ranks are the big limiting factor

You need 325k darkness for all of them

You will have every other resource in abundance in the process of getting that darkness

[somber frigate]

+25k darkness for Chaos Theme will you’re at it

[slim dust]

So it seems that all you need to do is focus on the darkness; the scarcity of other resources pales in comparison, and you’ll end up collecting more than enough of them while gathering the darkness

[somber frigate]

Yep

Especially if you’re fishing through-out

I’d recommend getting into speedrunning or high heat because otherwise it’s going to be a load of runs with no real end goal in mind

[languid elbow]

whats better, greater evasion or greatest reflex?

[fresh bridge]

reflex

2nd dash really good

[languid elbow]

alr ty

[versed blade]

Evasion is good in very specific circumstances but is undoubtedly accompanied by a difficulty spike

I prefer it because I'm weird

[languid elbow]

is the anvil worth it if your current hammers are mid

[fresh bridge]

can be yes

[crisp bronze]

you need to consider that for most weapons, it can be a risk since some hammers can really screw you over but if you're missing an important hammer, you can risk it and see if you get it with the anvil

most times, it'll give you mid options back tho

[languid elbow]

ty

also which weapon benefits from merciful end the most?

[crisp bronze]

demeter fists

[languid elbow]

is 50 heat even possible?

[cedar delta]

64 heat is possible 👀

[languid elbow]

damn

[fresh bridge]

^^

50 heat is very possible

[languid elbow]

which heat upgrades should i start with

[fresh bridge]

timer is one id recommend, as the time limit carries over per region so if you spend 6 minutes in tartarus on timer 1 then you'd have 12 minutes to clear asphodel

[languid elbow]

oh okay

should i max it out or is 5 mins per region too little

[fresh bridge]

5 minutes is reasonable with some practice, id recommend going off of your average clear time and from there adjusting the level to start out with for tight deadline

[languid elbow]

alr, but if your run is a bit weak youd be cooked no?

[fresh bridge]

i wouldn’t say that necessarily? even if you time out it isnt instant death, it’s 5 damage per second that you get chipped down by, there are a bunch of optimizations you can do to help with not timing out as well as just the more you play the more game/build knowledge

[languid elbow]

does build knowledge just come from many runs and experiments

[sweet brook]

Yeah but since the games been out for like 5 years or something all the good builds have been found already lmao

[languid elbow]

where might i find those good builds

[somber frigate]

Bananas 32 heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies has the meta ones

iirc

[languid elbow]

ty

is talos or demeter better on fists

[outer flint]

demeter

[languid elbow]

so why is charon stronger than hades

[outer flint]

he's not

you just meet him really early so you're lacking upgrades

[vestal stump]

is well of charon rigged

why does kiss of styx only appear when i dont have 200 obols

and when i do and ive lost a death defiance it never shows up

[crisp bronze]

you only notice it's not there when you need it

[sterile solar]

^ confirmation bias

No, is not rigged

[slim dust]

How are the Chamber mechanics for Chaos and Infernal Gate calculated? Are they counted toward the “current number of chambers reached”? If not, does this mean players effectively pass through more chambers and earn more rewards?

[sterile solar]

they do count as a chamber

theres one exception and that is if you go to a chaos right before the pre boss room

then one more is added

aside from that, they are just part of the current chambers

[slim dust]

What happens when there are fewer than three available options in the boons Pool?

Will Duo or Legendary boons be forced to appear because of this? Or do they strictly follow their own independent probability of appearing?

How does the probability of boons replace mechanism operating in this situation work?

[versed blade]

It tries to give you a 4th god

The god pool doesn't close until you have a 4th god

[somber frigate]

That’s not what they’re asking about

[versed blade]

oh i stoobed

[somber frigate]

They’re talking about when you start running out of boons from an individual God

[crisp bronze]

is it even possible to get one god enough times to clear out their boon pool?

IIRC, gods have between 12-16 boons each, so in order to run out you would need at least 10 encounters with that specific god alone

[somber frigate]

I’ve seen it get to that point

From other people submitting boon picking screens

I’ve never tried it myself because I had no interest

[lyric granite]

Hi, quick question: do you recommend playing the game with a keyboard or a controller?

and is there a significant difference in difficulty?

[analog radish]

Kbm for better aiming, controller for more degrees of movement

[analog radish]

I've not played controller but I hear from ppl that they have a hard time aiming some weapons

Controller does have autoaim

There are some attacks that are a lobbing projectile, you basically just chose where you want the aoe, those are a bit harder with controller of you don't autoaim

But I've never experienced any problem with only having 8 directions of movement on kbm

[lyric granite]

makes sense especially for the rail special

tysm

[analog radish]

👍

[proud breach]

i find using a mouse easier with the aim

but i prefer the controller overall

[analog radish]

I've never really used a controller

[sterile solar]

I play with mouse and keyboard so I recommend mouse and keyboadd

[slim dust]

Regarding the above questions, here are my observations so far: (Please let me know if any of this is incorrect)

1. The number of options simply decreases. When there are no available boons left, the system switches to granting a monetary reward.

2. Duo or Legendary boons still depend on probability (if they don’t appear, the system falls back to the mechanism described in point 1).

3. The replace boon options are automatically triggered when the boon pool is depleted.

[analog radish]

im pretty sure duos or legendaries are forced if you exhaust the pool

or well i suppose i am just pulling this out of nowhere so it could very well be that they are not forced

but im referncing the start in h2 surface where you reroll the first area to get as much of a god you want as possible to exhaust the pool and force a legendary or whatever

[shut hill]

I don't think you can force duos and legendaries in H2 like that either

[analog radish]

999358269422321774

can anyone find a clip where someone has exausted all other boons form a god, like a modded run, and is offered money before being offered the legendary

i find it hard to believe that the game would give the money if the legendary is aveilable

[shut hill]

I definitely have at least one clip like that for H2

[analog radish]

id like to see that

[shut hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxZvGZW9DQ

18:51 I see that I'm in for the legendary and a duo, 21:04 I get 90 coins from the Zeus boon

[analog radish]

im not familjar with the h2 book ui so im not really sure what im looking at but i'll take your word for it

[dusty vault]

It used to work like that in h2

Spoilers for that game's pact stuff
||We have a pact that removes the 2 boons that you didn't pick each time, so if you had the pre reqs it would eventually force it, that was busted as hell obviously so now you still need to pass the % for the legendary/duo, even if you have the pre reqs and boon pool is exhausted||

[shut hill]

Ohh so it was like that at some point in EA, I only played in 1.1

[analog radish]

makes sense

[slim dust]

I wanted to avoid spoilers, so I didn’t read the entire context. So now, it would be great if someone could give me definitive answers to those questions I asked above

[analog radish]

🤷‍♂️

this is never going to be relevant in game

[dusty vault]

My guess for h1 is you still need to roll the % for legendary?

But also, unless (and even if) you use fated authority the chances you manage to get enough boons of 1 god to even learn this is super low lol

[dusty vault]

I'd assume it would just show 2 or less options?

Like poms when you only have 1 or 2 pommables

[slim dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieTzO5qPYJQ

My preliminary conclusion above is based on this video I happened to come across, but the video uses a mod, and I’m not sure if that alters the boon mechanics in the base game in any way regarding the aspects I’m questioning

[analog radish]

i also came across this video awhile ago, didnt watch enough to see that interaction

[fresh bridge]

@dry sluice lol some of the later runs have some slight dilation (apparent from how hael is able to dash before fully loading into c1 and stuff)

[languid elbow]

whats the strongest shield aspect?

[fresh bridge]

the hidden aspect👍

[novel swift]

or zeus shield

[fresh bridge]

seeing you of all ppl mention zeus shield in this instance is shocking to me

[analog radish]

zeus shield copypasta incomming

[steady lark]

The strongest shield of heat vs the strongest shield of speed

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-ryomen-sukuna-domain-expansion-gif-13852183772169503157

[glass bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-aura-monster-re-zero-sa-subaru-natsuki-gif-7519255111501849083

[lament lava]

I almost defeated meg, I need to give more nectar to sckelly to get another Life and I'm free from Tartarus

[sterile solar]

More nectar to skelly wont do that

[versed blade]

Yeah it will (keepsake)
But if you need 4 dds to get past Meg, you have bigger problems

[dusty vault]

More nectar implies they already have the keepsake

[versed blade]

Maybe

Anyways, don't forget to dash for iframes

[sterile solar]

yeah "more nectar" implied they had already given some nectar therefore they have the keepsake

[crisp bronze]

I don't like telling people to just get gud, but if you are using 4 death defiance on Megaera, you might need to actually get better at the game in order to beat it

[sterile solar]

one step at a time

gotta beat meg before the tackle on the rest

[crisp bronze]

I mean, fair enough

[analog radish]

very much doubt they have all 3 mirror dds bruh lol

[naive plank]

Is gilgamesh solid aspect?

[cedar delta]

No

[gleaming viper]

Hey I just made it to hades with the aspect of Arthur and it flashed on screen along with some dialogue from zagreus, what was that?

[naive plank]

Ok I always use talos how about demeter

[cedar delta]

Demeter is the best fist

[naive plank]

Ok bet. What would you say the best are for the other weapons sides bow

I hate bow an will never use it 😅🤣

[analog radish]

pro tip, play game and find out

[naive plank]

Nah I get that. But like example I thought talos is best but ig not case

[analog radish]

all aspects are viable untill very high heat or trying to get very fast times

[naive plank]

I use hestia on exag,zues on aegis,hades on varatha, and Arthur for sword

[analog radish]

have you tried cast builds yet

[naive plank]

Like for bow?

[analog radish]

if not you can try aspect of possidon or achilles

[analog radish]

catno

ig hera is a cast weapon

but that is one very spesific archetype

[naive plank]

I never really use cast unless have demetwr or ares

Never cared for it sides those 2 examples

Also im getting close to 100% i still have to win 2 battles in row. Now as long as I dont die by being killed by him I can die somewhere else and it dont mess with it right?

[analog radish]

im willing to bet you just saw some video on hunting rifts or the crystals duo yelling about how good they are

[naive plank]

I never watched a video on hades 😅

I went in blind sides few people answering few things

[analog radish]

i will recomend trying athena cast aspect of possidon, try to get the duo between zeus and athena

[naive plank]

I been working trying to get that duo past few days

[somber frigate]

Iirc Hades usually comments on your first time getting to him with each hidden aspect

It’s been a hot 500 hours since I unlocked them all but I’m pretty sure zag says something back in each dialogue

[gleaming viper]

He didn’t comment on it but I think that’s because I finished the main story with it

[somber frigate]

nah

The main story dialogue wouldn’t change

The arthur flashing on screen though

it could be that

[gleaming viper]

I mean zag made a comment about it before the dialogue started and hades didn’t comment on it at all

[analog radish]

i remember hades saying smth about arthur being an amature

maybe you just clicked past it and didnt notice

[gleaming viper]

Hm okay

[fresh moth]

probably was just the prophecy complete thing for making it outside with hidden aspect.

[sterile solar]

Probably some fated prophecy

[gleaming viper]

I realized that after I got back to the room lol

[inland rampart]

Hi guys I'm new to Hades and I was playing with the shield of chaos when I almost beat Hades. I had a perk like ultimate can be only 25% but it gains automatically and heals HP after damaging mobs but my HP can be only 60% - from what gods it was?

And what build I should make for the bow? I'm trying to get Afrodita and Dionysus for more DMG with 2 debuffs, critical DMG and etc

[somber frigate]

The first boon was the aphrodite/zeus duo boon, and the second was a specific sword hammer (there is no way the shield can get anything that takes away max hp and gives lifesteal)

[ripe fjord]

Do keys have a purpose after unlocking everything in the mirror?

I see you can respec the mirror but eventually you'll have enough darkness for everything.

[somber frigate]

trading up for resources, like 1 or 2 work orders in the housing contractor, and then used for the resource director after you reach the credits

[pseudo cedar]

Guys how can I clear asphodel, I am barely being able to survive 2 or 3 encounters in there🥹

[sterile solar]

Stay away from lava, be aware of your surroundings, especially the ranged enemies, focus them first

[pseudo cedar]

Any weapon that would be best suited for this area?

[sterile solar]

Whatever you find fun

The weapon you enjoy will do the best

[somber frigate]

Be very conscious of where you’re dashing and you should get by just fine with your favourite weapon

The game is balanced enough for whatever you want to use to be viable well beyond the game content that average Hades player is going to get through

[pseudo cedar]

Thanks for the advice I will definately keep that in mind.
PS: do you know if vulkan makes any graphical changes to this game? it just makes me kind of paranoid.

[pseudo cedar]

The spear it is

[somber frigate]

Afaik there should be no graphical changes really

It’s more about DirectX being designed for windows vs Vulkan being more crossplatform and working for Linux etc

[pseudo cedar]

Oh thank you for clearing it up, which api do you use for playing?

[somber frigate]

I’m using Windows so I just use directx

[pseudo cedar]

Nice

[somber frigate]

at least if I’m not playing on my switch, then it doesn’t even ask

[pseudo cedar]

I play all my games on my laptop, mostly indie games

[crisp bronze]

1: the shop allows you to trades keys for nectar, which makes forging bonds easier
2: the house contractor has some things you can buy with keys, and one thing in particular needs a LOT of keys so picking them up along the way isn't a bad idea

[glass pilot]

hi

i defeated theseus

[silver pike]

congrats dude

[foggy needle]

Hi.
Im new, just beat Hades for the first time. But i struggle to understand the dash mechanic. Does it have i-frame? Or do you suppose to dodge out pf the bossess attacks? I struggle most from Theseus' and Hades's spinning attacks

[somber frigate]

It has iframes unless you perform a dash-strike

empty dashes have iframes, dash-strikes lose the iframes from the point you started the dash-strike

[arctic gulch]

Hi, im new in Hades

I beated the first boss

What weapon do you recommend for me?

[somber frigate]

The game is balanced enough for you to use whatever you want

[arctic gulch]

The bow cant be used bro 😭

[somber frigate]

yeah it can

are you dash-striking with it?

It’s kind of a massive difference maker

[arctic gulch]

Like hit the enemie and then dash?

[somber frigate]

dash then start charging mid dash

like a dash-strike on other weapons but you still need to charge it because it’s bw

It charges 50% faster for dash-strikes

[arctic gulch]

Ohh i didnt know you can do that

[somber frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=69d108e2&is=69cfb762&hm=1b6f60d6e03e41d6c6b2d6335dfa046816fc7b91a1fd0eb81baebc755fa56e45&

[arctic gulch]

Yeahh it works

[somber frigate]

I usually use this clip to show why dash-strikes work way better

oh if you’ve just beat Meg for the first time maybe you haven’t seen her sisters yet

[arctic gulch]

Omg bro

[arctic gulch]

Dont worry hahaha

Oh also

The thing i got after beating meg

[somber frigate]

This is Alecto and for this clip I have an modifier on that makes her 40% faster so it’d be easier in a normal playthrough

[arctic gulch]

What do i do with?

[arctic gulch]

I see

That looks too broken ngl

[somber frigate]

You need all the weapons before you unlock the feature that lets you use them

[arctic gulch]

Damn

I only need 2 more

[somber frigate]

I have a really good build this tartarus but the main focus is supposed to be the dash-striking working really well

[arctic gulch]

Understood :)

Thank you for the help bro

[arctic gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461773014931603469/1489744304170602666/afc73f0f-636a-44cb-95e1-d4181c4e0a23.mp4?ex=69d18800&is=69d03680&hm=2869874f41b47c6b531964eee711586f2d0bbb7cc565aa218462270e41b21fb9&

I suck at this game bruh 😭

[somber frigate]

Just try to get smooth with the back-to-back dash-strikes

You don’t need to touch special on bow like ever reasonably

[arctic gulch]

Is hard bc of the lava

When i dash-strike i accidentaly fell on the lava

[ripe fjord]

I found out that if you don't seek out the aspects they will just be given to you. No matter the weapon you have. I got the secret aspect for shield and fists in one run using the spear. Attempts currently in the 70s

I did have enough blood in both sets for them to be unlocked.

I think I'm only missing Rail

[somber frigate]

You don’t need to run the weapons for the final dialogue line

[ripe fjord]

Oh. Well that's just consistent bad info I've been getting.

[somber frigate]

the acknowledging your use of the weapon line is required first (iirc), and that needs you to have spoken to them with the weapon before

[ripe fjord]

I kept hearing you need to have it equipped for the run

[somber frigate]

Not for the final dialogue line

where were you reading this

[ripe fjord]

Yt videos

They were all the age of the game though so makes sense they weren't 100%

[somber frigate]

yeahhhhh

[ripe fjord]

Who unlocks the Rail?

[somber frigate]

Zeus

[somber frigate]

I love practically everything online for Hades aside from Hades discord being in the stone age

[ripe fjord]

? Maybe I don't have enough blood. My last 2 runs were Zeusish builds

Yeah you can't find current Hades 1 videos

[somber frigate]

it’s not guaranteed when you have enough blood

[ripe fjord]

Been avoiding Hades 2 stuff like the plague

[somber frigate]

like Hades pulls the dialogue lines from all the currently available ones

There are very few lines that get priority and they mainly have to do with the main story iirc

[ripe fjord]

I am currently in the story developing relationships with the gods for ma

[somber frigate]

I was interested in making some videos just so there’s be anything but then this semester hit me like a truck so I’m thinking I’ll start once my exams are over

[ripe fjord]

Do you have Hades content already?

[somber frigate]

Nope ❌ I was going to learn how to make youtube videos

[crisp bronze]

a part of me want to laugh, but I remember sucking even more when I started playing this game, you'll get better in no time

[somber frigate]

That’s the biggest hurdle tbh

[arctic gulch]

Hahaha thx bro

[ripe fjord]

Oh yeah I sucked when I started. Meg killed me so many times. You got plenty of time to find your feet

[arctic gulch]

Yeah, i hated meg in my first hours

I geniunely thinked that meg was the final boss 😭

[crisp bronze]

the absolute shame I felt when after getting past meg I ended up getting killed by Alecto will never leave me

[ripe fjord]

I'm crazy I love the Furies on extreme measures with Forced overtime.

It's Insanity that can only be matched by dad

[crisp bronze]

that's one of the reason I still hate alecto to this day, it's the only fury sister I take significant damage from witn EM and FO2 unless I'm running fists

[ripe fjord]

It was the saws for the longest time for me that gave me trouble. They would just spawn on top of me

I think I died to Meg, Alecto and poison the most before I finally beat dad

[languid elbow]

is charon hard early elysium?

[dusty vault]

Not really

Assuming you have your build done

None of his stats change

[languid elbow]

alr because ive only ever fought him in tartarus with a couple boons

how much hp does he have compared to hades?

[dusty vault]

Good question

[somber frigate]

Wiki says effectively 13k cuz his 16500 hp bar ends at 20% left

Hades has 17k per health barp

[somber frigate]

He’s more on par with Asterius

[languid elbow]

thanks

his sweeping attacks are so hard to dodge

[humble ridge]

at first

but u'll get used to it I rarely get hit once in a full match

[arctic gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489745892142747739/1489888351308746782/60dee31e-e06f-4886-8fb2-faeb968dcebc.png?ex=69d20e27&is=69d0bca7&hm=61c133abb96d589d511bcdab7cd6de20302c696008f1e86f4e7c216d1e296c43&

Where is Aquiles?

😭

[arctic gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1489745892142747739/1489929671960297553/a83fa35c-b7b1-4695-8c7b-aa9cbf4bd957_1.mp4?ex=69d234a3&is=69d0e323&hm=1d832b4c9cfd0b20a90c097eebe6a2bf79dde42acb389ad6639e07601087df33&

Is this a bug or is legit?

[pearl cloak]

legit, but I recommend fighting for that sweet sweet drop of coin

[arctic gulch]

Oh, didnt know that you can defeat the enemies hades spawn

I tought you can only survive

[pearl cloak]

he just spawns new ones

[arctic gulch]

I see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489745892142747739/1489936842135568574/f5275ccd-b1c2-4fc5-a1c1-8715b18d383c.png?ex=69d23b50&is=69d0e9d0&hm=6b09e6464683f211cd569384697db73059c1dd8c079156be3c764e202940b261&

This is beautiful broo

[analog radish]

Turtle gamming

[arctic gulch]

🤣

[analog radish]

Imagine how fun elysium would be if it was real

Worst part of combat sport is protective gear

[arctic gulch]

True, i do kickboxing and i hate the proteccions

[arctic gulch]

Yeahh bro

[analog radish]

Reminds me of that one starwars fan short where they had a machine that revives you so you can dual each other for real

[arctic gulch]

I didnt see that fan short

But sounds good

[analog radish]

It is quite eye candy

[arctic gulch]

How is the short called?

[analog radish]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AAzY28C8Syc&t=1s&pp=2AEBkAIB0gcJCcQBo7VqN5tD

[arctic gulch]

Thx

[somber frigate]

Beowulf hasa significantly wider blocking cone

[arctic gulch]

I see

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

@analog radish

[analog radish]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-i-see-gif-25052382

[arctic gulch]

I was cinema bro

It*

[analog radish]

I was also cinema

[arctic gulch]

We are all cinema

🔥

[analog radish]

Funny enough I had a stage fighting intro type thing today and I do recognise what the instructor talked about today in the video lol

[vestal stump]

dude someone just spoil me how do i get megs companion

i have her nectar maxed out now up until the locked part and her conversations as well but now after like 5 runs shes still nowhere to be seen

[somber frigate]

You need her favour completed and to have given her at least 1 ambrosia

same as all the other companions

[vestal stump]

i dont read her dialogue LOL whats her favor

and also i cant give her ambrosia because she just does not appear in the house

[somber frigate]

Npcs don’t tell you their favour, but hers is purely just talking to ger more

You need a specific dialogue chain out of her iirc which will happen eventually

[sterile solar]

Where is the deep fried version

[somber frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1289676193557123155/image0.gif?ex=69d214cd&is=69d0c34d&hm=dfa48d1a19d5e6dc18dcd338f5bf407bfe5489dc682acf882fc0a207b534e362&

[charred kayak]

oh yeah alecto getting warcrimed on

love to see it