wtf do I do with it
#h1-for-new-players
fathom fog
tacit palm
wtf do I do with it
u can sell it
fathom fog
btw does touch of styx dark make my stubborn defiance now restore 45%?
it does say 50% more than usual
cobalt dagger
does "encounter" and "chamber" mean the same thing
fathom fog
btw does touch of styx dark make my stubborn defiance now restore 45%?
nvm it's additive
so 80%
midnight apex
does "encounter" and "chamber" mean the same thing
Nope
fathom fog
nope
midnight apex
Encounters are combat chambers
fathom fog
chambers are all rooms
encounters are all battle chambers
midnight apex
“Beloathed” is a term I’ve never seen but I am absolutely stealing
fathom fog
theseus done
time to die to redacted again
I messed up again
I took charon's random boon bag
so I couldnt get ares for that passive on hit effect duo boon
cobalt dagger
hol up is there a way to save?
winter crescent
Wait what? Wasnt there a way to restsrt from the chamber?
Or is that just between regions
Istg ive done it
winter crescent
Rats can be scary
tacit palm
Wait what? Wasnt there a way to restsrt from the chamber?
if u directly quit without clicking giving up u will restart at the chamber u left
dusty vault
AND WHY IS A ||TINY VERMIN|| a field boss????
fathom fog
if u directly quit without clicking giving up u will restart at the chamber u le...
wait, really???
DAMN, now I wont have to leave my pc on overnight again
tacit palm
DAMN, now I wont have to leave my pc on overnight again
bruh
tacit palm
wait, really???
also when u load the game u can directly see where u stopped just before loading ur save
fathom fog
so I couldnt get ares for that passive on hit effect duo boon
okay I think this game is messing with me now
I'm locked in with ares, zeus, demeter and athena
I keep getting zeus and athena boons
I havent seen one ares boon since asphodel
I'm at the elysium boss now
finally
vengeful mood
fathom fog
god
damn
it
how the hell are you supposed to take on ||redacted||
the others are fine enough but this one is stumping me
novel swift
https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678
I haven’t seen this gif in so long
fathom fog
how do you get to embed images
dusty vault
Everyone has embed perms
For your own images you can send them somewhere like a dm then right click > copy link
dusty vault
so....why can't we just send images normally
Helps to block bots
Is set up to stop you from spamming too many links
fathom fog
well this is what I was running and still died with
taking divine flourish instead of divine dash was probably one of the reasons I died
dusty vault
Why did you take ares into Styx
fathom fog
because I was desperate for ares boons
dusty vault
Also I'd swap dark regeneration for the other one
Especially if you are using dark foresight
And stubborn to death but idk how your rooms are going atm
fathom fog
stubborn saved me arse twice in elysium
death defiance tho is just so expensive to get
dusty vault
Tl;dr: stubborn better if you are dying a lot in rooms
fathom fog
Also I'd swap dark regeneration for the other one
how is cthonic vitality better than dark regen???
it's 3 per chamber
dusty vault
Death better for when bosses are the only issue
fathom fog
while regen lets me heal to almost full after bosses
I had full health upon entering redacted's room anyway
dusty vault
how is cthonic vitality better than dark regen???
It adds up, darkness doors are meh (especially later with some contractor upgrades)
You already have a fountain after bosses.
Dark regen doesn't work on styx
fathom fog
yeah but the fountain doesn't max your hp usually
dusty vault
And dark foresight gives you less darkness doors overall
You still can buy food or charon wells for bigger heals
dusty vault
while regen lets me heal to almost full after bosses
Anyways might as well learn the funny athena trick with stubborn
If you use stubborn in the room, then grab either of the athena boons that give you a defiance back, you'll gain a death defiance then restore stubborn next room
dusty vault
She has 2 of them so you can get 2 dds + stubborn
fathom fog
You still can buy food or charon wells for bigger heals
noted
tho the dds are gonna have wait cuz man am I low on darkness
dusty vault
Can always refund the mirror
dusty vault
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387122320241590504/1388893709013352699...
Were you going for merciful end btw
dusty vault
Yeah that's a merciful end moment
dusty vault
Wait what keepsake did you start
fathom fog
zeus
dusty vault
Ah I see
fathom fog
any tips on how to deal with redacted's minions and skull attacks? @dusty vault
they distract me a lot
dusty vault
Minions is a bit dependant on which one they summon
Some of them you can burst them as soon as they spawn, others you have to play it safe
||take the chance to damage them while dad does his darkness thing||
For the skulls you will have to pay attention to his animation for it mostly, ||if there are too many near you start bursting them before they explode||
If you get hit directly by one ||you start taking double dmg so run away for a bit||
sudden kindle
If you get hit directly by one ||you start taking double dmg so run away for a b...
oh i never knew this
i just beat redacted with aspect of chaos and i found dread flight to be quite useful against the minions
fathom fog
If you get hit directly by one ||you start taking double dmg so run away for a b...
bruh
good to know
fathom fog
wait so fated persuasion
it mentions "at a time" instead of total chances
does that mean I can reroll once every time I get a boon?
somber frigate
does that mean I can reroll once every time I get a boon?
Like
it’s a currency you spend to reroll
fathom fog
well it says at a time instead of total chances
somber frigate
So you can reroll a boon or a pom or a well or a purging pool and it’ll cost you 1, then the next reroll on the same thing will cost you 2, and that subtracts from your total for the entire run
fathom fog
the wording at least
somber frigate
Fated Authority sucks. Fated Persuasion is so good for helping you get what you need
fathom fog
I think I might as well use a key to just reroll my darkness upgrades
somber frigate
Fair enough I guess?
I mean it depends on what you have levelled up rn / what you’re changing
some options on the mirror are just worse while some of them actually have uses for both sides
fathom fog
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387122320241590504/1388934301646590052/Hades_a85Y9LrvGi.png?ex=6862c95e&is=686177de&hm=816893757558571e40bb432167ea3d970108159dff167d72ea965f69c3792121&|| re-ordered my darkness
too tired to continue today after 5 failed runs
somber frigate
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387122320241590504/1388934301646590052...
Nice
fathom fog
huh
how do you get to ||use Thanatos as a call? I've seen a video where someone does that||
somber frigate
how do you get to ||use Thanatos as a call? I've seen a video where someone does...
It’s not a call
It’s bit different
You have to fully max your relationship with him or at lesst forge a bond I can’t remember which of the two
cobalt dagger
lowkey on a goated run rn, entered a new chamber / floor, is there or does it save anywhere in the escape attempt
dusty vault
lowkey on a goated run rn, entered a new chamber / floor, is there or does it sa...
You can quit after grabbing the reward in a room
Be sure to not press give up
You can also quit after entering a combat as long as you haven't taken dmg
left flint
4 hrs in and farthest I got was the 3rd area. How many areas are there in total?
left flint
Making good progress then
atomic hemlock
hi, i just started playing this game and i wanted to know which weapon is the best for runs in general
i used the shield and got to the ||2nd boss fight|| but died
somber frigate
hi, i just started playing this game and i wanted to know which weapon is the be...
There isn’t really a best weapon
Everything is really viable tbh
But for a first clear
Shield, rail and bow are intrinsically safe due to range
and
Shield being able to block
atomic hemlock
Shield, rail and bow are intrinsically safe due to range
which is the rail?
somber frigate
The gun
somber frigate
Get the fists first and it’ll be the next one available
atomic hemlock
Get the fists first and it’ll be the next one available
excellent
somber frigate
excellent
Then you’ll unlock something else once you’ve got the rail too btw so I’d probably shoot to unlock it soon
atomic hemlock
Then you’ll unlock something else once you’ve got the rail too btw so I’d probab...
ill try to get as many keys as i can
frail parcel
hi, i just started playing this game and i wanted to know which weapon is the be...
- Shield (especially Chaos or Zeus aspect)
- Bow
- Rail
- Nemesis Sword
Are probably the weapons I'd recommend to newcomers who just want a few quick wins to get their feet wet, but early game your power is low because you don't have much invested into the Mirror. Once you get enough keys for all of the mirror and weapons, I would recommend getting a lot of Darkness so you can invest into things like a second dash, death defiances, or extra damage and HP.
atomic hemlock
- Shield (especially Chaos or Zeus aspect)
- Bow
- Rail
- Nemesis Sword
Are pr...
thank you so much
somber frigate
- Shield (especially Chaos or Zeus aspect)
- Bow
- Rail
- Nemesis Sword
Are pr...
The zeus aspect recommendation is good but chaos 
💔
frail parcel
It's what I used for my first win so I'm biased LOL.
atomic hemlock
the zeus aspect, when do you get it?
frail parcel
You get the ability to unlock aspects once you've gotten all six regular weapons. Afterward, you can use Titan Blood (from Meg and the Final Boss) to unlock and upgrade them.
(You might need some Skelly dialogue IIRC but you definitely need all base weapons).
somber frigate
I can’t remember if he just lets you know to go check your weapons
or if he’s necessary to be able to use the feature
I’m pretty sure you can immediately access aspects as soon as you’ve done a run after getting all 6 weapond
atomic hemlock
(You might need some Skelly dialogue IIRC but you definitely need all base weapo...
i talk with everyone when a ! pops up
frail parcel
Good practice. There's a lot of dialogue!
somber frigate
21020 voiced dialogue lines
frail parcel
Oh keep in mind you get rewards from bosses on a per-weapon basis, so once you beat Meg for the first time with a different weapon you get another Titan Blood....
atomic hemlock
Oh keep in mind you get rewards from bosses on a per-weapon basis, so once you b...
gotcha
atomic hemlock
which are the best dedalus upgrades for the shield?
somber frigate
which are the best dedalus upgrades for the shield?
Charged Shot is the main one
Names are escaping me for the others ngl
atomic hemlock
Charged Shot is the main one
gotcha, also genuine question, why is charged shot better than bull rush?
somber frigate
Base damage and the fact that it does the full 80 damage at any amount of charge
You can easily just spam it out at short range
atomic hemlock
nice
somber frigate
nice
It’s pretty much the staple hammer for shield
Aside from Zeus shield because Zeus likes explosive return more
breaching rush is also a solid option because anything that shreds shields down it nice
atomic hemlock
ill have them in mind for when i get another one
somber frigate
Dashing Wallop is also a decent option, and Pulverizing Blow isn’t half bad
And ferocious guard is pretty generically good
atomic hemlock
pomegranate or poseidon boon for shield?
somber frigate
that decision depends on the boons you already have
atomic hemlock
i only got blade dash and heartbreak strike
glacial flame
pomegranate or poseidon boon for shield?
pomeganate buffs one of your current boons
somber frigate
some boons really really want poms, and depending on the boons you already have you might want something specific from poseidon like tidal dash
Kind of a shame that you already have blade dash ngl
atomic hemlock
some boons really really want poms, and depending on the boons you already have ...
ill try my luck on poseidon
or nah?
how much better is tidal dash from blade dash?
atomic hemlock
ill gamble on poseidon
somber frigate
Poseidons cast isn’t half-bad filler here and his supporting boons aren’t that bad either
Having something to fill up a core is just nice for build consistency
atomic hemlock
as we speak i got poseidon cast
flood shot
the other options are sunken treasure and hydraulic might
somber frigate
Hydraulic might isn’t half bad since the first 10s of a room is often the majority of the run
But yeah I’d’ve taken floodshot
left flint
hi, i just started playing this game and i wanted to know which weapon is the be...
Trident is super good, it's really the only thing I've been using
atomic hemlock
Trident is super good, it's really the only thing I've been using
ill have it in mind
left flint
From the looks of it, we're both new. You get it for 8$ as well?
atomic hemlock
From the looks of it, we're both new. You get it for 8$ as well?
yep
for less even
left flint
G2A?
left flint
How'd you get it for a lesser price?
left flint
That's how I got it, 8$
atomic hemlock
That's how I got it, 8$
i forgor
left flint
Enjoyed the game enough I got Hades 2 and will be playing it after
atomic hemlock
Enjoyed the game enough I got Hades 2 and will be playing it after
i might consider getting it
somber frigate
That's how I got it, 8$
Might depend on the currency in question
In CAD it’s like $13
rancid panther
how do i get more of the gemstone needed for casting?
grave prawn
how do i get more of the gemstone needed for casting?
they're called bloodstones, there's an upgrade in the mirror that lets you hold up to 3, other than that there's a chaos boon, arty's legendary boon, and a temporary +1 item from Charon's wells
rancid panther
thanks!
past socket
What's a Titan blood?
Is it usable?
I think I got it after defeating Meg
late owl
well
the basic use of titan blood when you first start is to upgrade your weapon aspects, which you achieve after unlocking all the base weapons with your keys
late owl
I once got 3 in one sitting
fathom fog
-# heart rend it is
late owl
fathom fog
damn
also
charged shot
I really like it
though it's hard to get used to after bull rushing through a huge chunk of the underworld
bull rushing through traps and hazards is ingrained in my mind :(
fathom fog
the tiny rodent
might be the reason I never take an elite room in styx ever again
I have one death defiance remaining
ONE
becaus of that schmuck
why does it have to spawn so many damned rats
late owl
LOL thats so real
honestly depending on the weapon, spam your special and casts
dire sky
who should i give my nectar to
dense dune
who should i give my nectar to
depends, honestly
If you want to bond with someone, give it to them
dire sky
is there a point where i should stop giving them nectar tho
dense dune
Yes, I think at 6
late owl
well
yesn't?
depends on if you want a cute lil image on a characters keepsake
or for romancing a character lol
otherwise you give ambrosia after a certain point
dense dune
exactly what I was going to say
late owl
will say, you only get an "award" for giving A nectar, since thats how you get a characters keepsake.
dire sky
well
yesn't?
depends on if you want a cute lil image on a characters keepsake
o...
aphrodite 🤤
dire sky
well
yesn't?
depends on if you want a cute lil image on a characters keepsake
o...
YO
INSANELY GOATED PFP
dire sky
will say, you only get an "award" for giving ***A*** nectar, since thats how you...
wait so if i give a character 1 nectar they'll give me a reward?
late owl
they'll give you an item called a keepsake, which you can use during your runs to gain an extra bonus
Cerberus for example, gives 25 extra hp for the run and is a good starter keepsake
dire sky
they'll give you an item called a keepsake, which you can use during your runs t...
are they 1 time uses?
dire sky
Cerberus for example, gives 25 extra hp for the run and is a good starter keepsa...
ooh ok tysm
late owl
are they 1 time uses?
well
They last the entire run, and eventually you'll unlock a thing that allows you to change keepsakes mid run, and after you change your keepsake, you can't go back to said keepsake until a new run
dire sky
well
They last the entire run, and eventually you'll unlock a thing that allows ...
oohhhh alr nice
so after giving 1 nectar
i only give more if i want to build a relationship
late owl
*with meg and than.
Other wise you get cute lil images for the keepsakes
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989422318528909384/1389405229153390683/image.png?ex=68647ff4&is=68632e74&hm=9b0c97e6e561e309d247bd8cae3977eee3062b21cbdf9c6f5d58ff7a673cdc48&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
they also display the kind of affection / bond you have with them, its really cool to see!
dire sky
they also display the kind of affection / bond you have with them, its really co...
w
hopefully i can give them to aphrodite
😳
dire sky
*with meg and than.
Other wise you get cute lil images for the keepsakes
https:...
also dyk what titanblood is used for
i traded it for 200 gemstones idk if i was supposed to
late owl
hopefully i can give them to aphrodite
yep, you can!
as for titans blood, I'd reccomend saving it because once you unlock all the weapons, you can upgrade the weapons with it
dire sky
ah alr
dire sky
can i only get 1 titans blood for each weapon? so did i waste it
late owl
no
so basically
after beating the game, you'll be able to obtain new titan blood with new bountys
dire sky
ohh alr
so you can get 4 titans blood pretty easily from beating escaping tartarus with different weapons, but its a limited amount
and u can get infinite titan blood by doing bounties or whatever but its harder?
late owl
Yea thats the simplest way to put it without spoiling the game
late owl
there is, but it's something that takes beating the game a bit to achieve
dire sky
there is, but it's something that takes beating the game a bit to achieve
alr tysm for ur help btw
late owl
Yea, course!
ping me if you need more stuffs lol
dire sky
alr ❤️
somber frigate
who should i give my nectar to
Every olympian god/goddess
Their keepsakes are pretty strong because they let you start choosing more for your build
late owl
also true
dire sky
Every olympian god/goddess
does chaos count
somber frigate
does chaos count
Not really? He’s not an olympian god for game purposes, and his keepsake doesn’t do the same thing as the rest
You can also sans Hermes from that list cuz he works differently
although he is an olympian god, he doesn’t work the same way
somber frigate
the regular olympian gods keepsakes all force the next boon you see to be them until you take a boon from them
so they’re really good for build consistency
late owl
true
dire sky
chat
late owl
?
dire sky
the rapid atk spear with dionysus' hangover is so nice
late owl
yes
dire sky
whats the 2nd part of the underworld called
somber frigate
Flurry jab is like the best spear hammer for the aspects that can use it
Asphodel
late owl
yes
dire sky
fire
late owl
personally I'd reccomend focusing on beating the game with weapon you like most
then do other things
dire sky
ok
dire sky
then do other things
shield throw is nice with the ares doom thing
late owl
fair enuf
I can't wait for you to get zeus's aspect
late owl
Yea :D
late owl
same :D
dire sky
i feel like the sword is just mid ;-;
somber frigate
i feel like the sword is just mid ;-;
The weapons are all good, it really just depends on the person using it tbh
dire sky
i mean i feel like all weapons have a specific thing that makes it good
but idk what the swords specialty is
somber frigate
I think that the sword and the spear do require the most precision if you’re playing on controller
dire sky
I think that the sword and the spear do require the most precision if you’re pla...
im on mac
or pc
somber frigate
ah no clue how it feels then
midnight apex
but idk what the swords specialty is
Shredding stuff with dash strikes
somber frigate
but idk what the swords specialty is
Nem does a melee crit build w/ splash dash if you’re talking speedrunning
midnight apex
Plus simple controls
somber frigate
Shredding stuff with dash strikes
…like spear and fists and bow and rail
midnight apex
…like spear and fists and bow and rail
Yup
dire sky
…like spear and fists and bow and rail
whaaaat i thought spear was the fast m1
somber frigate
you still dash-strike?
midnight apex
m1?
somber frigate
strike
somber frigate
m1 = left click
midnight apex
flurry strikes
Especially flurry jab
somber frigate
flurry jab lets you immediately standing strike when you dash-strike
You double up on strikes
It’s really sweet
midnight apex
Damage….
So much damage….
Love the thing
Spears my second fav
Sword is my third
midnight apex
i feel like the sword is just mid ;-;
Like I think the shield is bad FOR ME
it’s probably the best weapon
But I dislike it
somber frigate
I tend to avoid sword and spear because they take a level of precision that I don’t have at speed on controller
Bow, rail and fists are my go tos
midnight apex
I tend to avoid sword and spear because they take a level of precision that I do...
Speak I like cuz Achilles
And sword just does a lot of damage with nemesis
dire sky
Like I think the shield is bad FOR ME
i love the shield bash and defense
dire sky
I hate defense
is that what everyone uses on shield?
midnight apex
Yeah but it’s like no eris
I dislike the rail too, though not as much
dire sky
I hate defense
shield bash is the most satisfying thing
somber frigate
is that what everyone uses on shield?
Tbh
most of the shields value is not in defence lmao
midnight apex
shield bash is the most satisfying thing
I like shield bash. Pulverizing blow plus Aphrodite on attack is BONK
dire sky
most of the shields value is not in defence lmao
what from
somber frigate
Depends
dire sky
shield bash 🤤
midnight apex
most of the shields value is not in defence lmao
In (jimmy don’t look) ||heat|| there’s a good amount of stuff for defence
somber frigate
Zeus is really good for high difficulty because it is safe, so like you’re right there
somber frigate
But for speedrunning you just blast through everything with the hidden aspect ngl
Even for high difficulty a lot of the value for zeus comes from being able to still do damage while mobile rather than like the idea that defence is purely about pulling up your shield
mobility = safety
midnight apex
For beginners tho it’s really helpful for some
somber frigate
and crowd control damage
The knockback on shield is really good for bunching enemies up for speedrunning and high difficulty
rancid panther
if i exit the game will my god mode buff reset to 20%?
dire sky
what is a chamber?
somber frigate
what is a chamber?
every single room is a chamber
so combats, shops, story rooms, intermediary rooms between biomes
Every biome aside from the last one has a soft set amount of chambers in it before the boss fight
somber frigate
Yeah, it’ll tell you as much in the description
But all the kiss of styx things that would give you a dd back are replaced with items that increase how much your stubborn defiance heals for a few rooms
in best case scenario you can take the Patroclus one that gives +50% hp (so total 80%) on death to the final boss fight
dire sky
Yeah, it’ll tell you as much in the description
i figured but it didnt revive me lol
somber frigate
What
wdym
you hit 0 and it just didn’t?
that typically means you already died in the room 💔
Unironically I’ve done it a few times in Asphodel where I stepped into magma to reset my hp to 30% but I had already used it
dire sky
Unironically I’ve done it a few times in Asphodel where I stepped into magma to ...
lol alr
dire sky
that typically means you already died in the room 💔
i think i might've just not bought the upgrade
ill check
dire sky
is there a point to having both stubborn defiance and death defiance?
somber frigate
is there a point to having both stubborn defiance and death defiance?
You use stubborn defiance once rooms become a bigger issue than regular boss fights
Which
It does eventually come to that if you keep turning up the difficulty settings you unlock later on
And sometimes for new players it’s a larger problem
dire sky
is there a gimmick with the hydra heads?
late owl
Take your time with it
somber frigate
is there a gimmick with the hydra heads?
The different colours have different abilities
late owl
Like legit
Don't rush the boss fight cos you will get hit more
Their attacks are pretty easy to avoid after a point
somber frigate
I don’t know them off the top of my head because lowkey the heads are always dead within like 3 seconds
somber frigate
Like legit
Don't rush the boss fight cos you will get hit more
Their attacks ar...
Nah Lernie tax is real
late owl
one spews out fire balls that linger on the floor for a moment
One spews out a lil attack that spawns enemy's and smashes it's head on the ground lol
One sends out waves of purple thingies
somber frigate
Iirc purple really likes head bashing
and is normally the most dangerous one because of that
late owl
Probably
somber frigate
It has amplified speed and duration
dire sky
and is normally the most dangerous one because of that
i think ive mostly died to that one
idk i only fought it like twice
late owl
Fair enough
You can dash through the purple attacks
dire sky
is there a super good keepsake i should be using 🤔
late owl
And I believe there is a red marker where they'll slam their head
dire sky
Fair enough
You can dash through the purple attacks
tbh athenas reflecting dash is sooooo good
somber frigate
is there a super good keepsake i should be using 🤔
Yes
somber frigate
It completely depends on your weapon/aspect but the god keepsakes to set up your build in tartarus and asphodel
late owl
Well
It depends on the build you're going for
somber frigate
is it best on dash?
It’s the best defensive dash
late owl
And the best dash changes as you get better at the game
somber frigate
For offensive purposes it’s pretty much only tidal dash
Outside of merciful end builds
Where divine dash is used
late owl
Like if youre going for a dash strike build, Artemis is the best
somber frigate
Nah even then it’s still tidal dash ngl
dire sky
Like if youre going for a dash strike build, Artemis is the best
cz ur defending while attacking?
somber frigate
like nemesis which is the dash-strike crit build weapon uses tidal dash
late owl
She gives like extra DMG or crit percent iirc when you do it
somber frigate
it’s +50% dstrike damage
late owl
Ah alr
somber frigate
+10% per rarity higher than common
tidal dash is just so strong that the only weapons that really consider hunter dash are nemesis, zag bow and hidden bow
but even then it’s a massive trade-off from the aoe damage of tidal dash
late owl
Ahh
somber frigate
It’s not something I’d really like
Talk about in this channel because this is still the peak experimentation point of the game
But like
yeah
late owl
is there a super good keepsake i should be using 🤔
Also as for this
If you often fall on low health, you'll deal more DMG with megs, if you want more health, Cerberus, if you want more death defi, lucky tooth / skelly, otherwise go with olymus boons
somber frigate
is there a super good keepsake i should be using 🤔
Aside from the god keepsakes, the main keepsakes that are used are defensive keepsakes like acorn, or utility like coin purse/hourglass
late owl
also true
somber frigate
Hourglass value heightens as you get better at the game tbh
winter crescent
Real
dire sky
Also as for this
If you often fall on low health, you'll deal more DMG with megs...
tooth works with stubborn?
late owl
Well
winter crescent
I think so
late owl
It gives you one life that restores like 50? Hp I think
winter crescent
100
late owl
Ah alr, was thinking of 2
somber frigate
tooth works with stubborn?
Yeah
somber frigate
I think it usually goes behind your sd so you pop your sd first
but I never use tooth so I can’t remember
dire sky
also how do i get the thing where you get -60% hp but you heal 4 hp per attack
i got it once but never again
late owl
Oh that's only on sword
somber frigate
It’s pure rng
dire sky
Oh that's only on sword
its pretty fun
winter crescent
Only on sword, its a hammer
somber frigate
Not +4
late owl
And you gotta get lucky with daidalius hammer or however it's spelt lol
somber frigate
Daedelus
daedulus hammers are all weapon specific
and you can only get 2 per run
like hermes
and 3 in specific situations (like hermes)
dire sky
And it’s -60% for +2 on hit
does it lock out flurry slash 🤔
somber frigate
Nope
dire sky
and you can only get 2 per run
ohhhhh
somber frigate
flurry slash is only locked out by other hammers that cannot function with it
tender bay
and you can only get 2 per run
wait whatt
somber frigate
Like cruel thrust needs to use the thrust part of your strike so you can’t do that while flurry striking, and world splitter completely overides your standing strike combo as well
So they’re all incompatible with each other
But otherwise all the sword hammers work together
somber frigate
wait whatt
What is there to question
late owl
wait whatt
Ye, one in tarturus or Asphodel, and usually one in ||Elysium||
somber frigate
You can only get two hermes and two hammers in a run outside of the 50:50 in ||styx|| between a third hermes and the anvil
somber frigate
Ye, one in tarturus or Asphodel, and usually one in ||Elysium||
Your hammers can end up pushed back farther
And so can your hermes for that matter
late owl
true, but that's usually the standard unless you avoid them or get extremely unlucky
somber frigate
But Hermes isn’t restricted to location the same way as hammers
somber frigate
true, but that's usually the standard unless you avoid them or get extremely unl...
Tbf on sword it’s not too uncommon to skip second hammer
to dodge possibly rolling 3 negative hammers
late owl
Yea fair
tender bay
What is there to question
im not questioning anything....?
late owl
Things that don't work the best with a given build
somber frigate
dash nova, flurry slash, cursed slash, and sometimes world splitter
tender bay
im just surprised lmao?
somber frigate
im just surprised lmao?
Misunderstood sorry
winter crescent
dash nova, flurry slash, cursed slash, and sometimes world splitter
Oh fair
somber frigate
world splitter can be good if you know what to do with it but otherwise it lowkey just punishes you for a misinput after dash striking
winter crescent
Fr
somber frigate
Some weapons also just don’t care about their second hammer
winter crescent
I forgot dash nova exists tbh
somber frigate
Shield for example once it has charged shot
Or like achilles after you get flurry jab the only thing you care looking for is triple jab or extending jab
winter crescent
Yeah, true when you get charged shot therr ain't really a need for abything else
somber frigate
Yeah, true when you get charged shot therr ain't really a need for abything else
I mean breaching rush is always nice to shred shields
but I’ve heard the sentiments from shield gamers
winter crescent
I mean true but the only reason youd need that is for faster clear if youre running tight deadline
somber frigate
I think shield has some good once still afterwards but they aren’t as huge
somber frigate
I mean true but the only reason youd need that is for faster clear if youre runn...
Speedrunning is a massive thing for hades
and so is high ||heat||
like I’ve been grinding my times down
somber frigate
I went from a 9:49 PB to a 8:01 the other day with an extremely good run on eris
winter crescent
Like at first i didnt get all the praise, but it really does feel a lot more replayable than a lot of tiehr roguelikes ive plaued
somber frigate
I come back to it every 6 months or so
winter crescent
Been playing it for like half a year at this point and still have a lot of stuff i wanna try
somber frigate
No
I’ve used stubborn defiance for like easily 200 runs
never seen it fail
never heard anyone talk about it failing in 3 years
late owl
it replenishes after an encounter I'm p sur
late owl
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vs
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death
dire sky
what is aspect of ???
late owl
it's a hidden aspect
somber frigate
what is aspect of ???
Hidden aspects
dire sky
hmm
late owl
usually unlocked by spending like 5 titan blood on a weapon and talking to people
somber frigate
You need the spears first
dire sky
wait aspect of shiron sounds goated should i pick it?
somber frigate
And you need to have 5 aspects bought and talk to achilles till he gives the awakening phrase
eh
It’s got a really low skill floor
that’s all I have to say about the 4th best bow aspect
😁
dire sky
😭
somber frigate
It’s good enough
dire sky
also should i save my titan bloods for a weapon i like?
dire sky
There are a few aspects that are really good at level 1
which ones?
somber frigate
Namely nemesis, hera, zeus
dire sky
i dont wanna waste this limited resource 😭
late owl
(my beloved aspect of zeus)
somber frigate
Tbf it’s endlessly renewable
dire sky
ok so i save one for zeus since sky said its goated
late owl
I just like it because you literally run around with a shield, you send a disc out, and it does free dmg
it's awesome w zeus on special too
somber frigate
Zeus is good
dire sky
I just like it because you literally run around with a shield, you send a disc o...
shield> everything else
somber frigate
Pinned here is a… rough guide of how strong each aspect is at what levels
dire sky
nyaanya?
somber frigate
Yep
dire sky
wait hera is insane
dire sky
oh so zagreus aspect is the cheapest
late owl
That’s why we recommended it lmao
ye
it was my favorite bow aspect for a while lol
dire sky
ye
it was my favorite bow aspect for a while lol
what is?
dire sky
Zag bow, zag rail my beloved
the crit one 🤔
late owl
hera
dire sky
i meant what is now
dire sky
ye
it was my favorite bow aspect for a while lol
whats ur fav bow aspect now
somber frigate
Zag bow was my main weapon overall for ever
I got my first sub10 clear with it and I got my first ||40 heat|| clear with it
late owl
mmm
probably still hera, though charon is fun to play with when I'm bored lol
dire sky
Zag bow was my main weapon overall for ever
whats the crit on it with 5 aspect?
somber frigate
15%
dire sky
somber frigate
It’s not the best bow
It’s like the 3rd best but it’s far and away superior to the 4th best by a mile
dire sky
It’s like the 3rd best but it’s far and away superior to the 4th best by a mile
🥲 the shiron cant be that bad
dire sky
u said 3rd was better than it by a mile
late owl
It's ok
late owl
Basically you have to hit an enemy
And then spam special, usually with apphro or duo
late owl
should i stack up on extra cast upgrades in the mirror
Yes
somber frigate
For aphro cast and etc yeah
I’ve gotta go so ttyl but yeah chiron does a good enough job
It’s just not really a bow
dire sky
whats good abt aphrodite
dire sky
yeah
somber frigate
Hera fixes all the problems
dire sky
is bow special used to deflect projectiles or smth
somber frigate
It has good damage but terrible range so the casting time makes it really dangerous
somber frigate
The bow special is lowkey used to fill your cores out for better duo odds
aphro cast is good with hera
dire sky
so its only good with hera
somber frigate
Not chiron
somber frigate
No
somber frigate
Bow dash strikes are faster for slightly less damage, so you deal the same base damage in a faster safer way
50% faster but deal 2/3’s of the damage
math works out to same base damage output but it’s safer
and more mobile
And gets dash-strike damage buffs
somber frigate
bruh whats the deal with dash-strikes
And for other weapons they’re just better damage lmao cuz they’re fassssstttt
dire sky
And gets dash-strike damage buffs
does it also get normal atk dmg buffs
somber frigate
yes
dire sky
And for other weapons they’re just better damage lmao cuz they’re fassssstttt
fists r so fun 🤤
i just mash
with the splash
also r heroics rare
i js got one on my 2nd roll
dusty vault
also r heroics rare
You only have 3 ways for getting heroics so kinda
dire sky
i love it when things just work out in your favour
like heroic curse of pain on bow special 🤤
filthy skulls and mages
im using stubborn defiance but it doesnt pop
late owl
mhm
late owl
yes
late owl
lol
dire sky
im soooooo dumb
late owl
its fine lol
past socket
Wth man
I thought Meg was harder to beat
Her sisters are more dangerous
I was assuming once I reached Asphodel
Tartarus should be easier. 
past socket
||Tisiphone|| or ||alecto||?
Just now Tisiphone
She did some hallucination on me I guess
Yesterday I met Alecto
past socket
siphone is much easier imo
I see
Once I figure out their moveset, it should be easy.
Even Meg was hard for me, but now it's easier
somber frigate
do you have stubborn defiance turned on or is it still death defiance
.
somber frigate
u js saved me so bad
All the red/green sides have to be chosen between
And some of them are just better
The difference between running dark foresight and not is crazy
late owl
yoo!
fathom fog
also damn
I didnt expect that ending
I wonder what the epilogue and family secret achievements are about since I didnt get them
also sheesh the second phase is easier than the first one
||with no extra enemies and all||
late owl
real lol
fathom fog
but....why doesnt redacted ||remember our fight?||
somber frigate
but....why doesnt redacted ||remember our fight?||
It’s called gaslighting
Jk it’s keeping appearances up
fathom fog
I thought it had something to do with hades 2's chronos(never played it)
somber frigate
Chronos doesn’t appear at all in H1
fathom fog
yeah but I was thinking maybe it was something planned from h1 all along
somber frigate
epilogue, character relationships, maybe maxxing your stuff
Getting the final hearts on everyone takes a while but it’s really nice
Although you may be the type to skip thru all the dialogue
fathom fog
character relationships I've like ~7 im focusing on and just not caring about any olympian god
outside of, idk, hermes
fathom fog
please tell me I dont have to max everyone's relationship
somber frigate
Just the olympians for the epilogue and not all of them
fathom fog
which
somber frigate
just 6 of your choice
fathom fog
UGH THAT'S STILL TOO MANY
fathom fog
it's a grind of nectar
somber frigate
It’ll happen with regular gameplay as long as you aren’t hoarding your nectar
I think I’m sitting on a solid thousand nectar or smthing rn
somber frigate
artemis is an arsehole?
what world are you living in
Ares is?
Dio?
Athena?
I’d understand zeus maybe
The only time I can think of is when they get personally offended when you take someone elses boon over theirs
but that’s tbh just very in-line with how the greek gods operated and their culture like they can’t let that slide
fathom fog
The only time I can think of is when they get personally offended when you take ...
mmm that's basically the reason
I guess athena and artemis are alright
somber frigate
They do help out theseus but it’s always one that isn’t in your god pool and that’s more of some arrangement they seem to have w/ Theseus or Hades that they’d use against anyone escaping the underworld, not a personal thing
actually fun fact if you do have every god at the point where you run into the heroes fight, it always defaults to artemis
fathom fog
heh
fathom fog
||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1387122320241590504/13896611077020714...
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somber frigate
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986382492997128202/1389684912394731620/...
||dem is a spoiler||
since you can only meet her after you reach the surface she’s pretty much on par with [redacted] as a spoiler
fathom fog
I wonder why
somber frigate
I wonder why
She’s
pretty clear about it when you talk to her I believe
Or maybe it’s another npc who explains it
||iirc she was too torn up search for Persephone/ worried about her going missing to notice you escaping the underworld until you actually reached the surface||
somber frigate
Either way ||she didn’t realise you existed till you reached the surface||
neon olive
Any major tips for a new player? I did a few runs and I'm already fighting last boss (most likely (died close to 10%)). Currently running with a spear since it has a high range and rapid/split attacks
somber frigate
Any major tips for a new player? I did a few runs and I'm already fighting last...
Often new players don’t dash enough, don’t dash strike enough, or aren’t intentional enough with their dashes to keep themselves safe
the olympians keepsakes are really useful for you to start experimenting with your own builds, of course you can ask for help with builds but it really is the best time for you to try your own rn
in general +% strikes and specials go on harder hitting attacks, and flat damage like lightning/hangover/doom go on faster attacking weapons thou
I could get into the god pool and how hermes works but that might be a bit much to start off
rancid panther
quick question will demeter's blessing only appear after i escape?
somber frigate
quick question will demeter's blessing only appear after i escape?
She only shows up once you reach the surface
rancid panther
oh
somber frigate
and is a spoiler for this channel 💔
rancid panther
AAA srry!
dire sky
whats a good call that i should use
sterile solar
Depends on your build
late owl
overall zeus has a decent one, athena makes you invulnurable for a few seconds
aphrodite makes an enemy fight for you
poseidon = RUN INTO ENEMY
ENEMY TAKE DAMAGE
dire sky
bro
the shields pretty cool
zeus aspect or whatever
i beat snake with it but idk if i was even using it rgith 😭
i was spamming dash for the shield cuz it had +400% dmg to armor
and shield special for dmg to hp 🤷♂️
dire sky
I personally just have the shield chase me around a bunch
shield is fun with artemis' thing
fires an arrow every time special/cast/attack hits
late owl
ye :D
spiral kernel
Hi i'm beginner and my favourite weapon is the spear who can give me a build for the spear
for finish the game
somber frigate
whats a good call that i should use
Zeus and dionysus are the best damage
fathom fog
damn it
I am too used to the shield
I keep messing up against redacted because of that
huh
where did skelly go
dusty vault
change weapons
fathom fog
huh
dusty vault
my understanding is that if you keep using 1 weapon the game doesn't have the need to make him show/have the tutorial pop up for your weapon
idk if its the actual reason but yeah changing weapons makes him appear again
timber tundra
Guys how do I fish
late owl
so when you have fishing rod, you want to wait until you see a flash of light when you're fishing. If I recall correctly, it happens usually between 1-3 bobs in water.
timber tundra
ohhh okay tyty
late owl
if you get it within miliseconds of the flash, you get legendary iirc
timber tundra
ohh okay cool tysm
dusty vault
if you get it within miliseconds of the flash, you get legendary iirc
*perfect catches are 50/50 between rare/legendary
Normal catches (over 0.325ms) are 50/50 between normal/rare
late owl
True
midnight apex
@lethal zealot here
Cuz you’re still a newbie
The bow is a commonly disliked weapon for beginners cause it has a fairly different playstyle and learning curve compared to the others.
The rail has mixed results but usually the reception isn’t that bad.
What’s ur best weapon? Twin fists?
lethal zealot
What’s ur best weapon? Twin fists?
And the sword
lethal zealot
What’s your preferred aspect with both
Nemesis and Demeter
lethal zealot
You know the best builds with the two?
I don't get builds
They're supposed to be random
But ares is the best
midnight apex
I don't get builds
They're supposed to be random
But ares is the best
Like you can guarantee gods with keepsakes
But if ur a roguelike purist go ahead
midnight apex
I don't get builds
They're supposed to be random
But ares is the best
Also Ares is only the best with merciful end
lethal zealot
But if ur a roguelike purist go ahead
I just have Cerberus
I like health
lethal zealot
Also Ares is only the best with merciful end
Merciful end?
midnight apex
Merciful end?
It’s the duo boon between area and Athena
midnight apex
I just have Cerberus
I like health
I think thick skin is plenty
lethal zealot
It’s the duo boon between area and Athena
Oh right
midnight apex
Oh speaking of mirror upgrades the green version of the rerolls is better
At least in my opinion
It lets ya reroll boom choices
lethal zealot
It lets ya reroll boom choices
I did the d20 one
lethal zealot
That’s what it said on your mirror on the last run you posted
Yes
midnight apex
Ye the other ones considered better
But I’ve seen enough success with the purple one too
I can’t exactly preach about doing things optimally either
lethal zealot
Ye the other ones considered better
All of them?
So far most of the purple ones were great
midnight apex
No
Just the 3
Last 3
Like the rerolls, more boons, and I prefer gods legacy
Though gods pride is just as good
So actually not the last three
lethal zealot
Like the rerolls, more boons, and I prefer gods legacy
Ohhh
I have the one that gives me more buffs based on how many boons I have
midnight apex
That’s family favourites
Pretty good
My preference
I like the last 4 green, the first one green, and the rest purple
But shadows presence is great too (the first one idk the name)
lethal zealot
I like the last 4 green, the first one green, and the rest purple
What's the first one?
midnight apex
Backstab
lethal zealot
Good for speedrunning
Oh
I don't do speed running
Also how do you start the romance with Thanatos
midnight apex
Oh
I don't do speed running
Also how do you start the romance with Thanatos
Give him a bunch of nectar
midnight apex
Oh
I don't do speed running
Also how do you start the romance with Thanatos
Also that’s why I use it
lethal zealot
Give him a bunch of nectar
What do I do with ambrosia?
Also is there a way to make him spawn every run?
midnight apex
Also is there a way to make him spawn every run?
No
midnight apex
What do I do with ambrosia?
Give it to than
Basically give him a bunch of nectar
Then you need to fish for a dialogue after beating him a bunch in runs
Then you’ll unlock the ability to give him ambrosia
lethal zealot
Then you’ll unlock the ability to give him ambrosia
How do I give it to nyx
She's the best character
lethal zealot
Give both her and chaos nectar
Ok
@midnight apex does every character have these requirements before you can give them ambrosia
midnight apex
All characters have A requirement
Called a favour
Some are easier or harder than others
lethal zealot
All characters have A requirement
Ohhh
Ok
Also I really like how as you start feeling everyone starts warming up
It's really nice
@midnight apex what are companions?
lethal zealot
Mild spoiler
Yes
I saw it has something but it doesn't write anything
midnight apex
||Theyre lil plushies that some select characters give you when you give them ambrosia for the first time||
||they let you summon the owner (gifter) of the plush in battle to potentially do thousands of damage, but that’s a wee little detail||
midnight apex
Yes
I saw it has something but it doesn't write anything
Done
midnight apex
Yes
I saw it has something but it doesn't write anything
Also what is that sentence I don’t understand
lethal zealot
Also what is that sentence I don’t understand
I saw that it listed that I have a company but it just wrote "reducted"
midnight apex
Ah
lethal zealot
||they let you summon the owner (gifter) of the plush in battle to potentially d...
HUH?!
lethal zealot
||it being a cute lil plush is more important||
Definitely
dire sky
should i kill theseus or the minotar first
royal thicket
should i kill theseus or the minotar first
I recommend theseus
midnight apex
should i kill theseus or the minotar first
Minotaur
dire sky
lucky tooth is soooo good
royal thicket
I recommend Minotaur
Literally in every game I had, I would kill Theseus first because if I left him for last, it would be too hard to kill him
(apart from the fact that I was asking for the blessing of X god aaaa)
midnight apex
Literally in every game I had, I would kill Theseus first because if I left him ...
Leaving him for last is easy
Easier
royal thicket
The minotaur is easier to kill, so I recommend leaving it for last 
.
midnight apex
Cuz you don’t have to deal with the Minotaur beating you to death while trusting to deal with Theseus’ half health call
Theseus gets more strength in his second phase than the Minotaur
dire sky
Literally in every game I had, I would kill Theseus first because if I left him ...
whats theseus' gimmick
somber frigate
should i kill theseus or the minotar first
Asterius because you can bait him to the other side of a pillar and deal with him without Theseus getting in the way
dire sky
Asterius because you can bait him to the other side of a pillar and deal with hi...
is asterius the minotaur?
royal thicket
Cuz you don’t have to deal with the Minotaur beating you to death while trusting...
It is easy to write down the blows of the Minotaur
somber frigate
If you go for Theseus first, you have to deal with Asterius charging you the whole time and you essentially make it a 2v1 and didn’t change anything
midnight apex
So it makes more sense to do a 1v1 with the stronger enemy rather than a 1v2.
If you kill Theseus first, you have to deal with a really strong enemy that’s using a call and a tank.
If you kill Asterius first, you have to deal with less
dire sky
also with nemesis sword, should i get artemis' crit passive on my normal attack?
midnight apex
also with nemesis sword, should i get artemis' crit passive on my normal attack?
yesss
Definitely
somber frigate
it’s between artemis and aphrodite
dire sky
hmmm
dire sky
i rlllllly want the -60% hp healing sword
somber frigate
You pretty much want both for heart rend
royal thicket
Theseus gets more strength in his second phase than the Minotaur
That's why I say it's better to kill him first, if he's the strongest, even more so in his second phase
somber frigate
royal thicket
also with nemesis sword, should i get artemis' crit passive on my normal attack?
Yees
somber frigate
That's why I say it's better to kill him first, if he's the strongest, even more...
If you’re going to divide and conquer/ kill one first, kill the one that will charge at you the whole time you deal with the other guy
midnight apex
That's why I say it's better to kill him first, if he's the strongest, even more...
But you’re forcing a 1v2 against a hyper buffed enemy and a tank
somber frigate
If you’re going to divide and conquer/ kill one first, kill the one that will ch...
It makes more sense to deal with Asterius by himself on the other side of the Arena where Theseus can’t do diddly squat
and then go for Theseus after you eliminated the threat that homes in on you wherever you go
dire sky
i feel like zeus' boons are so bum
midnight apex
What
somber frigate
midnight apex
IMO he’s the best god in the game
somber frigate
Wild statement
somber frigate
Zeus is like universally splashable
dire sky
wdym
somber frigate
There aren’t any builds he doesn’t slot in well with
midnight apex
There isn’t a build that doesn’t like him
somber frigate
and he’s got his fair share of builds where he’s the focus or one of them
novel swift
There isn’t a build that doesn’t like him
Eh
midnight apex
His call is good
novel swift
But still, I think Zeus is really good if you know about jolted
dire sky
what weapon is he best with
novel swift
Rail
somber frigate
I can’t really think of something that doesn’t like his call or lightning reflexes/discharge
Rail for sure
novel swift
I can’t really think of something that doesn’t like his call or lightning reflex...
Beo and Hera
somber frigate
im so bad with it
Yeah that’s what happens when you’re in this channel
midnight apex
Wow the shade
dire sky
i get smacked when im reloading
somber frigate
you can absolutely make rail bad
midnight apex
i get smacked when im reloading
Dash cancel the animation
somber frigate
And/or relocate to reload somewhere safe
dire sky
what keepsake should i use with nemesis sword im tired of chaos keepsake
should i use artemis keepsake>?
midnight apex
YES
somber frigate
yeah
somber frigate
Forcing gods is massive for controlling your build, so typically you want to force a god in tartarus and then force a god in asphodel
Chaos gates are massive value with and without the hp loss. The egg doesn’t change whether you’d take one really
midnight apex
I ONLY take the egg if I’ve already got all the boons I want, am going into asphodel, AND have a gate guaranteed
dire sky
Forcing gods is massive for controlling your build, so typically you want to for...
tbh ive never used a god keepsake
midnight apex
And even then I don’t always do it
somber frigate
Then go for Aphrodite special
Alternatively go for the build Alex put me on for sword for my sub10 where you start pos and take tidal dash and then build crit
midnight apex
Alternatively go for the build Alex put me on for sword for my sub10 where you s...
The speedrunner special
dire sky
😠
novel swift
The speedrunner special
The speed runner special is significantly more cursed than that lmao
somber frigate
Lowkey some people just like to leave their god pool to the fates but that just removes the whole building part of it to me like
novel swift
Its plume gaming on zag sword or shackle starts nowadays
dire sky
does the rarity of boons matter?
somber frigate
Ah yes
midnight apex
Wth
somber frigate
does the rarity of boons matter?
Depends on the boon
dire sky
like should i avoid taking a common boon to get an epic version of it later on
midnight apex
Ok that’s a bit too scuffed for me