h1-for-new-players

[patent meteor]

Yeah I always dread when I see that boss during my runs

[slow brook]

This game really does not make me feel good about failing over and over again

yep

cause I decided I wanted a boon instead of money

CLEARLY A MISTAKE

I WAS DOING SO GOOD

[urban sequoia]

That one is pretty tough yeah

[slow brook]

DIDN'T DIE ONCE

[urban sequoia]

What weapon were you using?

[slow brook]

I hate this game

[slow brook]

spear

[patent meteor]

I’m sure you can replicate it again!

[urban sequoia]

Mh spear probably isn't too bad, but maybe you weren't dealing much damage, I also struggle to get the spear to deal a crap ton of damage

But the huge range helps

[patent meteor]

Yeah I remember I did the same thing once then died from the bull

[urban sequoia]

If you deal a ton of damage you can straight up ignore them spawning in and you just kill the ball

[slow brook]

I know which is why I was going for the boon in that room

[urban sequoia]

But if you don't you kinda have to attack back and forth

[slow brook]

needed more damage so I was going for whatever boons and hammers I could get

just so happened that this way a boss room with that god damn butterfly ball

[urban sequoia]

Btw are you saving up the dark juice that lets you buy mirror upgrades?

[slow brook]

I'm fine with like 3-4 enemies that it spawns to defend itself but 8? god damn

[slow brook]

I have been buying upgrades

[urban sequoia]

Iirc the third one, or the second one I don't remember, lets you get extra lives, that is really good and will get you much further in every run

[urban sequoia]

Yeah you don't have to let it spawn them, it's pretty tough

[slow brook]

I now have a gun

[patent meteor]

Do you mean death defiance ?

[urban sequoia]

There are two and I forget which one is which

The green one is basically the bad one though

Oh Stubborn Defiance yeah that one is bad

But maybe if you're starting out it might actually help @slow brook

[patent meteor]

I’m thinking of the one you buy from the mirror that gives you extra lives

[slow brook]

I just said I've been buying stuff from the mirror?

[urban sequoia]

Maybe try Stubborn Defiance instead of Death Defiance

Yeah which one are you using btw? Stubborn Defiance or Death Defiance?

[slow brook]

I'm a bit busy rn

[urban sequoia]

Np

[patent meteor]

I mean it’s decent but it’s not the most recommended

[slow brook]

ngl the final infernal arm is kinda mid

its not as good as the spear

[urban sequoia]

Stubborn Defiance I feel like is good for new players because you don't have a ton of purple stuff to upgrade your mirror yet and you're not good enough yet to never die in rooms, so that one helps because it actually refills you a revive every time you beat a room

[patent meteor]

Yeah in my opinion it’s one of the weapons that take the longest to get used to

[urban sequoia]

The rail gun?

[patent meteor]

Yeah it can help with the learning curve of rogue likes without reducing the difficulty of the game in my opinion that is

[slow brook]

I see no reason for me to replace the spear my beloved

[urban sequoia]

So like if you make a mistake and die early you'll still have a revive at least for a harder challenge later

[patent meteor]

Oh no I meant the rail gun not the spear

[slow brook]

confusion

[urban sequoia]

And when you have enough purple stuff you switch to Death Defiance

[patent meteor]

I have a small bias because I mainly use the bow

[urban sequoia]

I use all of them and the rail gun is busted imo lol

Specifically the Aspect of Hestia, is that it?

The one that charges up your first shot after a manual reload

[patent meteor]

Yeah I don’t have much experience with the rail gun so I can’t comment too much on it ;-;

[urban sequoia]

That one is ridiculous for me, I literally trivialise the game when I use thst

[patent meteor]

Yeah charging can break your flow sometimes especially if there’s a lot of enemies in that chamber or if it’s a fast paced boss

[urban sequoia]

Bow also deals a ton of damage but it's not as good as Aspect of Hestia imo for the simple fact that you can move while you wait for your next shot, while you have to charge it up stationarily when using bow. But that's just my perspective on how I use these two

I still love the bow tho

[urban sequoia]

Charging with bow you mean?

I don't have a problem with it because when you do dash attack it charges really fast

The one weapon I actively dislike is fists

Everything else is super fun to play, every weapon has at least one aspect that I like

Fists I straight up hate the premise lol

[patent meteor]

I mostly use the bow because I prefer long ranged attacks over up close ones

[patent meteor]

Ah I see I didn’t know that with the rail gun I might try it again next time I play then

[patent meteor]

Yeah unless you get the upgrade that lets you charge it much faster

[urban sequoia]

I was talking about bow, with rail gun, at least aspect of Hestia, dash shot isn't much different from regular shot

[urban sequoia]

Yeah the Daedalus one

But honestly I like the timing of dash shot

It's fast enough to be viable, but slow enough to give me time to choose who to shoot lol

If it was faster I probably wouldn't be able to keep up

[patent meteor]

Fair enough maybe I’m just misremembering things sorry about that

[urban sequoia]

it's fine it was me who didn't make clear I was talking about bow in that moment

[slow brook]

ran into another fury

[patent meteor]

Yeah that’s another upside of the bow for me I don’t necessarily have to decide immediately who to shoot but I do agree it can slow down the run by a bit

[patent meteor]

Which one?

[urban sequoia]

Yep

[slow brook]

the one that changes the arena

[urban sequoia]

||they change||

[slow brook]

screams murderer

[urban sequoia]

Aight I'm convinced I'm doing a spear run now

[slow brook]

how

[patent meteor]

Ah ||Tisiphone|| she really tests how much you can improvise with your weapon because she ||shrinks the arena drastically ||

[slow brook]

game is burning me out fast

[tight flower]

i've been reading this chat a bit, i think you just don't like roguelikes is all

[slow brook]

can't even get past the 3rd level, feeling like a faliure ngl

[tight flower]

[I don't stand by this behavior anymore, even if I didn't have bad intentions it was still wrong of me to assume any of this] ||i think that's an issue with your mindset because you aren't supposed to find any of it easy (you get better at the game through experience and upgrades)||

[slow brook]

???

never said anything about finding it easy?

did you even read what I said?

[tight flower]

why so defensive? i barely slighted you

[slow brook]

?

I'm not?

[tight flower]

[I don't stand by this behavior anymore, even if I didn't have bad intentions it was still wrong of me to assume any of this] ||my natural instict is to analyse this with what little knowledge of psychology i have, but, i take it that you wouldn't really like that ||

||to me it seems you have a lot of defense mechanisms firing off constantly, like you don't really feel safe in any given conversation, especially when anyone comments on your character because it feels like a personal attack (although i don't know you besides the conversations here so it could be an outlier)||

||i'm saying this to try to be helpful, it's likely to make people feel like they're walking on eggshells around you (because it would be the only way to avoid an averse reaction) which isn't really condusive to open and honest conversation||

||(once again though, i've barely met you, so this is all like surface-level potentially inaccurate stuff (and i'm no expert! i just take an interest in psychology stuff because i think it's cool to know yourself real well))||

[slow brook]

guh?

[urban sequoia]

What

[tight flower]

could both of you maybe verbalise what you mean a little further ?

[slow brook]

I canont verbalise for the life of me

[tight flower]

it's a skill, but a very helpful one to build
like, what was it that prompted your reaction? maybe i made a mistake and i was wrong, maybe you didn't understand what i was saying, why i was saying it, maybe you just plain didn't appreciate me saying it at all since again i don't actually really know anything about you! (which would be valid!), etc. many possible reasons

[celest token]

I felt like that at first, but it gets better and you'll have constant wins

what helped me was getting out of my comfort zone

[tight flower]

(the point is that a 'guh' or 'what' doesn't let me know which of these it is, so, i can't really respond to whatever you may want an answer for )

[celest token]

I relied too much on Skelly's boons and playing safe

[slow brook]

I really should not talk about myself here especially on a gaming server I just joined

[restive portal]

But you did slight them.

[celest token]

that's fair but that feeling is quite normal to have when playing rougelikes

[slow brook]

?

[celest token]

like feeling bad that you can't progress

[faint umbra]

Hey, especially if you don’t know someone in this server, please don’t jump to conclusions and don’t try to analyze their personality in this public channel - this is not the place for unrelated psychology, it’s just to talk about hades.

[urban sequoia]

Hades is pretty aware of this "limitation" that the genre has from what I can tell.
That's why it has such a good story with DUBBED dialogue, it keeps you entertained when you lose, it has a ton of weapons to switch up the gameplay (though starting out it's fair you don't want to switch even though the game gives you than purple juice bonus if you pick the weapon it tells you to pick) it has a ton of stuff to upgrade and try out, boons and areas change and so does the story

[faint umbra]

It may not be in the rules explicitly (as this is a very specific example) but it seems rude to me to imply such things about someone you don’t know.

[urban sequoia]

Plus the game is also not very long, you will improve yourself and your stats and you'll get to the point where you're surprised how easy it actually is (it'll do something later to make it harder if you want to, I'll tell you that)

[tight flower]

i conceed that i did to some degree, but not out of malice, i felt what i said had the potential to be constructive (i very well may have been very wrong in thinking that)

[slow brook]

I don't know why my personality and mental health is being analysed here

[tight flower]

and thank you for letting me know, it was a lapse in judgement but i hope it came across that it wasn't to try to be rude, i just mistakenly thought it would be helpful

[restive portal]

Hades is designed to feel hard at first. Like Souls games, it's hard but fair and it gives you the tools you need over time to beat it. It's not a game anyone is expected to beat first time, even with good knowledge of things (it's a Roguelite, not a Roguelike, so your starting situation improves over time as you gain abilities and equipment).

Perhaps if you knew how many attempts others took to get to the final boss it would help contextualise things. For me it was at least 40.

[urban sequoia]

Yeah

My first successful run was run #27

And most of my losses came from the third area and the boss of that area

[restive portal]

It's the hardest part of the progression in my opinion

[urban sequoia]

Yeah definitely

[slow brook]

this place is weird

[celest token]

I'm trying to unlock the fist aspects but the rng is screwing me over

[restive portal]

Which aspect are you going for? Or do you mean unlocking the fists weapon at all?

[dusty vault]

Hidden fists ig

[celest token]

yeah

[dusty vault]

Yeah fists are certainly the most fun to unlock lol

Have fun with the 50/50s

[restive portal]

Ah, I thought you meant Titan blood for a normal aspect.

[celest token]

I'm currently grinding for titan blood

[celest token]

I have all the hidden aspects revealed but the fists

[restive portal]

Ah so you don't have the ||waking phrase|| yet?

[celest token]

nah

[restive portal]

For reference, and just because this conversation made me look up my original escape attempts, my first 10 wins were: 41, 59, 61, 62, 69, 72, 73, 74, 78, 80.
Once it starts to click, and you've found a weapon/god pairing that works for you, it starts to get much more consistent.

[slow brook]

oh

[urban sequoia]

I guess I was a bit faster

But keep in mind I was using the aspect of hestia

That probably sped up the process for me

[celest token]

aspect of hestia is super fun

[urban sequoia]

If I kept using the sword I probably would've gotten my first win at around #40 or #50 too

[urban sequoia]

True

It's also super strong

[celest token]

I'm forcing myself to use the rail gun right now

it's my least favorite weapon

[slow brook]

strange people here

[urban sequoia]

It's kinda slow unless you use aspect of Hestia or the fourth hidden one

If you get used to canceling the reload I think it's pretty good, basically press anything else after you reload, special, cast or dash, so it reloads in the background while you're free to move

[celest token]

yeah I'm practicing manually reloading

I neglect the special since it's clunky on controller

[celest token]

You aren't forced to be here, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it.

[slow brook]

no need to be rude

I just find the people here strange

thats all

[celest token]

OK but calling people strange is a negative thing

especially when people are trying to give you actual solid advice

[slow brook]

can you calm down?

there was no reason to get hostile

[dusty vault]

Eris is also strong lol

And zag rail is still a rail so it gets an ok

[celest token]

I wonder if I'll enjoy the hidden aspect for it

[faint umbra]

Popping in again to say that there’s no need to be rude to each other or be passive aggressive

[urban sequoia]

It might very well be, I prolly just found out how immediately powerful the other two were

Btw from what I know there's a 50% chance that you find cerberus's distraction in the second gate you enter

Is that the case? And us there a way to increase/ decrease that luck?

I played 3 runs back to back and I got it in the fourth one on the first run

And then the last back to back

Am I just terribly unlucky?

[celest token]

I think it's just the rng

[dusty vault]

Yeah that's just bad luck

[urban sequoia]

Dam

[dusty vault]

Hestia isn't that powerful if you try it at a low lvl

[urban sequoia]

Oh I wouldn't known I leveled it up to 4 before trying it out

[dusty vault]

Yeah that makes more sense lmao

[urban sequoia]

But I actually played on a friend of mine's house with it, and I really felt like i was weaker with it

He probably had it at low level

[cedar spade]

80 heat is crazy

[urban sequoia]

So crazy that it's not a thing

[celest token]

but with the power mods it can be

[karmic cave]

I also thought that when I unlocked it, yet somehow the first time I used, was also my first successfull escape.
I didnt even use the special bc I didnt know how to time it properly.

It actually really fun when you get the timing down.

From all the hidden aspects, || Lucifer is the one I enjoyed to play the most||.

[cedar spade]

I wish there was a bow weapon in this game

[celest token]

I think I should force myself to play eris for a bit and see how I like it

[celest token]

it looks super unique

[cedar spade]

eris is easily the best

[karmic cave]

Hestia is the one where you manually reload and the next shot is stronger right?

[cedar spade]

yes

]

[karmic cave]

Yeah, never use that one.

[cedar spade]

you can

its just a bit more tecnical

[karmic cave]

Sry, I meant to say that I never use that one.

[tight flower]

What do you guys select as primary boons on Eris?

[karmic cave]

A single stronger shot which requires more input, compared to a bonus dmg effect that you can easily keep up doesnt seem that good to me but maybe I just dont know how to use it right.

[viscid notch]

Zeus Attack, Poseidon Dash, some % Special, preferably Artemis or Aphrodite. That's the core of the build, the rest is just up to what the run gives you. You're looking for Jolted, Zeus/Dio Call, Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt, Hunters' Mark etc there's a lot of things to look for

[tight flower]

i picked up Artemis keepsake to get deadly flourish, I take it it's like the regular rail where you go for flat damage on the shot, thanks for the clarification

[viscid notch]

Yea, Zeus is the best out of the flat damage options

You can also prioritize the dash over the special, most of the time you force Poseidon in Asphodel. You're likely to randomly come across a half decent % special

[tight flower]

I can see why people like this aspect

[cedar spade]

Get clockets

[tight flower]

cluster + rocket bomb? i have triple bomb so i think that's out of the cards

[dusty vault]

Just anvil into it 🧠

(don't do that actually)

[tight flower]

will try! (okay maybe not then )

with targetting system, if an enemy is targetted by more than 1 special do they get the +30% that many times or only once?

[karmic cave]

I bought the anvil once when I didn't know how it worked, it ruined my build and got me killed. Learned my lesson.

[tight flower]

for future reference, if it's your style the anvil is save scummable

[karmic cave]

Appreciate the input but not my style.

[urban sequoia]

Same

But I didn't lose luckily

[karmic cave]

I deal the consequences of my actions, unless I don't really feel like it.

But in this scenario it was my fault for not looking at the pictures.

[urban sequoia]

On playstation it's such an annoyance to savescum that I don't even want to bother lol

[tight flower]

oh is it different?

[dusty vault]

Only once

[tight flower]

i meant via the in-game quit button, so i assumed it would work the same

[tight flower]

thank you, i did notice a little status effect ring so that makes sense (still worth thankfully)

[dusty vault]

Cluster + targetting would be hilarious for summons if it worked multiple times lmao

[restive portal]

Note that targeting works up to the point where you release the bomb. If the bomb bounces off the furniture and lands somewhere else it won't target things it's landing on.

[hazy fjord]

I can’t get to the bone dude anymore I’m struggling to make it

I feel I do so pity damage

[stoic raven]

which weapon/aspect?

[hazy fjord]

Spear sword and shield

Like bosses I feel it does nothing

[craggy peak]

Would recommend sword or shield

Spear isn’t too good for new players

[hazy fjord]

Spear is my fav weapon

[craggy peak]

Whatever you enjoy

[hazy fjord]

Shield feels easy like I can just block damage

[craggy peak]

Yeah

[hazy fjord]

I’m more of an aggressor

[stoic raven]

for sword, youll want to use dash strikes as much as possible, and special in between(dashstrikes do remove iframes)
for spear, do the same thing but dont special
for shield, get charged shot and commit mass murder, or use zeus aspect and get zeus special

[dusty vault]

Spear suffers quitw a bit for dmg if you don't get good hammers

[craggy peak]

I don’t think they have aspects yet

[hazy fjord]

I have charged lvl 3 spear aoe

[stoic raven]

wipes?

[dusty vault]

Spin attack?

[sweet brook]

if you dont have enough dps for bosses, it's probably less of a playstyle thing and more of a build thing imo

unless the playstyle is like hit and run or something

[hazy fjord]

Yes

[hazy fjord]

That’s exactly what I’ve been doing

[sweet brook]

yeah that's why you have no dps lmao

hit and run builds work fine in the normal rooms, but really struggle on bosses since their health pools are so much larger

hit and run builds also typically always have low dps in every game unless you're one shotting them lmao

[hazy fjord]

But they for ex Meg will do a counterattack with a slash

[sweet brook]

you can still avoid them while playing actively

[hazy fjord]

Really

[sweet brook]

dashes have iframes so you can iframe the attack

yeah

it's just something you have to learn through trial and error

[hazy fjord]

Well I’m on my 20th run I think

[sweet brook]

every enemy has some sort of wind up animation so you need to watch for that and act accordingly

[hazy fjord]

I’ve never played a rouge like

So I’m new to this thing

[sweet brook]

yeah that's pretty common

[hazy fjord]

I’m an rpg

Person

[sweet brook]

hades is the first roguelike for a lot of people

many of the top players too

[hazy fjord]

Yeah it’s really fun but frustrating too cause I want to beat it lol

[sweet brook]

yeah happens lmao

you'll get there soon enough tho

[hazy fjord]

U think so

?

I feel I’m not improving lol

[sweet brook]

we've all been there lmao

just go at your own pace, it's not like you aren't improving every time you play

you start to internalize enemy timings more subconsciously

also getting a better build/playstyle than hit and run would help lmao

[hazy fjord]

Well I want to beat a run because I have a month break before 2 semester of college

And I want to play some other games lol

[sweet brook]

you can do like a couple runs of hades then play other games

i never did more than like 4 runs a day when i played more back then lmao

[hazy fjord]

Well I was thinking switching to god mode

[sweet brook]

and those 4 runs didn't even clear

switching to god mode is fine

[hazy fjord]

Not yet

Only after I beat game once

[sweet brook]

nothing really changes in terms of story or gameplay

[hazy fjord]

I want to beat it how it was meant first once

[sweet brook]

i mean god mode doesn't really change that too much tbh

it's only damage reduction

you still need to learn how to avoid attacks and deal damage lmao

[hazy fjord]

Yeah but it stacks

[sweet brook]

it's still only damage reduction

[hazy fjord]

I just need to get good lol

[junior crest]

u can easily turn on/off god mode

it helped a lot for me when i was struggling at first 😭

[cedar delta]

Generally the best players seem to stand their ground and only dash to reposition or to dodge. They definitely don't dash wantonly as I did when I was noob. Hope this helps!

[sweet brook]

dash strikes

[gaunt dawn]

hi, how do i get more ||titans blood and diamonds|| if i already completed the first floors with every weapon?

[sweet brook]

clear a run

[gaunt dawn]

clear like win?

[sweet brook]

yeah

[gaunt dawn]

alright thats gonna be a problem

[sweet brook]

you'll get there soon enough

just takes practice and time

[gaunt dawn]

im already there but the is this giant wall shaped like a ||God of the underworld||

a reminder of how weak i am

[sweet brook]

i mean you'll beat it soon enough lmao

happens to everyone

[gaunt dawn]

is it normal to think the shield is the worst weapon?

im trash with it

[karmic cave]

||That big bearded wall drops titan blood so I hope this serves as an insentive to tear it down. ||

[cedar delta]

Check subsection II.c.iv under "reposition"

[karmic cave]

I also didnt like it at the begining, so I think its normal.

Having knockback on the attack is usually more of an hinderance than help.

[cedar delta]

Shield ain't fancy, but it's quite reliable

[karmic cave]

You'll learn to use it well eventually.

I mean, I'm almost at 100h and I still dont think I'm using the shield to its full potential.

[sweet brook]

zag shield and chaos are both kinda hammer reliant for good damage

but zeus doesn't need a good hammer to perform well

zag shield and chaos are pretty bad without good hammers tho

[karmic cave]

I always go for the zeus shield, it feels a lot easier to use and a lot more fun too.

[cedar delta]

It's fun having a buzzsaw friend floating around you!

[karmic cave]

Especially when you get a special effects on it.

https://tenor.com/view/saw-buzzsaw-doctor-strange-marvel-gif-24523318

It's also great to defend against projectiles.

Although, from all the secret aspects, I think the shield one was the 2nd worst expirience to play with, for me.
If you think regular shield is hard, the difficulty just spikes with that one.

[cedar delta]

Do you have your Cast button remapped to a convenient spot? The hidden aspect and the Hera bow really benefit from remapping Cast

[karmic cave]

My cast button is left mouse button.

[gaunt dawn]

whats the point of defending if your attacks already reflect

[karmic cave]

You can also block melee attacks iirc, your attacks don't reflect unless you are using Athena boons, they just destroy projectiles without them.

[gaunt dawn]

wait

i can block || teseo and hades spear circular attack|| with the shield?

without having to use dash instead?

[dusty vault]

Yeah

[dusty vault]

Athena btw

Arte is crit

[karmic cave]

Sry, I was thinking of Athena and wrote Artemis instead.

Thx for the correction.

[gaunt dawn]

I CHANGED MY MIND, IM GOING TO USE THE SHIELD

[cedar delta]

Hot dog! What a plot twist!

[restive portal]

And hidden shield is great once you get into it.

[sweet brook]

hidden shield is quite literally a nuke lmao

if anything it's hella easier than the other shield aspects including zeus

it's a stronger base build than zeus and isnt hammer reliant for damage

[karmic cave]

Maybe, but if you don't know how to use a nuke, then it's just suicide with extra steps.

[sweet brook]

it's still somewhat difficult but not at all a difficulty spike

[sweet brook]

i mean sure but that can be said about every aspect and weapon in the game lmao

except that it's a shield and you can block everything still

[karmic cave]

It may do more dmg, but it's a lot slower bc of it and it still does knockback like the other shields, it's a completely different mechanic for using casts which I'd say makes it a lot harder for someone to learn how to use it properly.

[sweet brook]

it's pretty similar to hera tbf

[karmic cave]

Never used Hera either

[sweet brook]

that'd make sense lmao

[karmic cave]

I always pick Charon lol

[sweet brook]

its also not a lot slower if you dash strike into the rush so try that

dash strikes put down the shield faster so you'l get into the rush faster

[karmic cave]

My main problem is that I never used the rush/block mechanic properly to begin with.

I liked the Zeus aspect, because I focus on attacking with the special and mostly ignored the charge entirely.

[sweet brook]

good zeus players still use the bull rush lmao

[karmic cave]

I never claimed to be an expert at the shield to begin with, quite the opposite in fact.

[sweet brook]

tbf zag and chaos dont really use the rush unless you get charged shot

[sweet brook]

i mean yeah, which is why i'm giving some advice on how to get better lmao

[karmic cave]

I know, I'm speaking from the point of view of someone who doesn't grasp the full concept of the weapon, I'm open to any advice more experienced players may provide, including yours of course.

[gaunt dawn]

what does a blessing being " heroic " category mean?

[dusty vault]

Highest rarity for normal boons

Common>rare>epic>heroic

[gaunt dawn]

and legendary?

[dusty vault]

Different thing

Those are their own effects

Zeus attack can't be legendary or a duo for example

Also heroics can only be obtained trough boon exchanges, eurydice's ambrosia and ||rare crop||

Meanwhile legendaries need certain boons as pre requisites to have a chance at showing up

[gaunt dawn]

but how good is it like

is it worth?

[dusty vault]

Depends by boon/weapon really

Boons that can't be pommed enjoy it more

Like if I were doing a merciful end build (ares/athena duo) and had epic doom, there is no point in swapping to idk heroic aphro attack if I were playing fists

As the duo would be useless (and % boons in fist attack are bad)

Things like heroic greatest reflex for example are fun to have

But heroic hermes boons can only be gotten through Eurydice

[gaunt dawn]

also looks like if i accept the deal not only do i get the heroic blessing but i also get it at level 3

while the one i have is level 0

[dusty vault]

Wait what

Is it a replace?

Replaces carry your levels

[gaunt dawn]

oh yeah it does, huh weird i didnt remember it being lvl 3

[dusty vault]

Lol

What replace is it anyways

[gaunt dawn]

aphrodite main attack for zeus main attack

[dusty vault]

What weapon?

[gaunt dawn]

gun

[dusty vault]

Is this with an aspect or normal gun

[gaunt dawn]

normal

[dusty vault]

That swap is actually good

Boons that add % to your attack are bad on fists/rail

Cuz your attacks are 15/10 dmg respectively

So a 100% boost doubles your dmg but you still have single dmg

With zeus you spread dmg everywhere + with his boon "static discharge" you'll do way more dmg

[gaunt dawn]

so basically you are saying aphrodite effect is bad because its not always guaranteed?

[sweet brook]

no

it's more like

% modifiers on low base damage stuff sucks dps wise

so you'd rather have a flat damage source like zeus on the rail attack

[karmic cave]

The effect is always guaranteed but the damage is not as good since it doesn't increase as much with smaller dmg values from the main attack.

[sweet brook]

% modifiers don't have any way to increase their damage except for like poms, which can be good in certain cases
flat damage modifiers generally have some way to increase the damage output. for zeus, it's static discharge

[gaunt dawn]

oh crap i always go for ares,aphrodite,dionisio main attacks because i thought, oh cool they give an effect to the enemies

[dusty vault]

Dio is ok with rail

Would be better with eris aspect but still

[sweet brook]

applying curses is fine, but that's generally not like a main selling point for their boons lmao

[gaunt dawn]

i think demeter on rail is good specially if you have the " after 10 hits the ice explodes " boon

because you fire 10 rounds quickly

[sweet brook]

not really

[gaunt dawn]

damn it

[sweet brook]

i think the burst only does like 60 damage or something idk

[neon quiver]

its fine but zeus is just always best unfortunately

[gaunt dawn]

i always have been playing wrong then, i feel so bad now

[sweet brook]

i wouldn't say "fine" but it technically is better than the other % options lmao

[dusty vault]

80-100 dmg but also you don't apply it that fast

[sweet brook]

trial and error lmao

and also just asking around in general

[neon quiver]

i mean demeter att on the rail w killing freeze and arctic blast certainly isn't bad, u can also get the legendary like that which is good

[dusty vault]

Sady is unpommable

[karmic cave]

Now that you mention it, ||Lucifer's aspect normally scales the longer you maintain fire on an enemy right? Do the % dmg boosts synergize well with it or not really? ||

[sweet brook]

not really lmao

[neon quiver]

it's just given how good zeus is it makes it seem mid

[karmic cave]

Good to know.

[gaunt dawn]

i always thought zeus was mid 💀

[sweet brook]

the issue is like
||it takes a while for it to ramp up and you get no aoe, so you're still better off with zeus attack||

[sweet brook]

he's the most versatile god in the game lmao

you can slap him onto nearly any build and it'd work

even non-meta builds

[gaunt dawn]

well thats kind of a way to say mid

not like bad

[final dune]

what

[gaunt dawn]

just like neutral

[final dune]

hes not neutral lol

[sweet brook]

not really

[final dune]

he has some of the strongest generally applicable boons in the game

[sweet brook]

just because he's neutral doesn't make him mid, it's because he's strong enough to go anywhere

[neon quiver]

whar XD

[final dune]

as well as zeus focused builds being very strong on particular aspects

[sweet brook]

if you can slap his boons anywhere that means he's strong lmao

if he was mid then you wouldn't want to slap him everywhere

[neon quiver]

classic zoss

[final dune]

unfortunately all of the aspects that do zeus build suck

because theyre not hidden shield

[sweet brook]

true

[gaunt dawn]

ok fine im gonna accept the exchange

[neon quiver]

the hidden shield of course being

gilgamesh

[sweet brook]

considering you're playing rail, zeus attack is quite literally the best you can get on it

[gaunt dawn]

im just not good at making decisions

everytime i get an exchange proposed my brain melts

[sweet brook]

i mean you asked earlier and you were told to take it lmao

[gaunt dawn]

because i just dont know whats better

[gaunt dawn]

yeah but this happens all the time

and im not gonna ask every single time

[sweet brook]

i mean you just learn as you go

[neon quiver]

u will learn :D

[karmic cave]

I hate that 90% of the games I play, it feels like the options I dislike most end up being the meta or the ones I actually enjoy playing aren't the best. I have no idea how I keep doing this.

[neon quiver]

that's the fun part if u ask me

[sweet brook]

if you take the replace and it sucks, you'll know for next time

roguelikes are just trial and error but game

[gaunt dawn]

thats basically what happened to me right now

[dusty vault]

the short version is like: high base dmg, average-slow atk speed? % boons (that aren't pos really)

if its fast and weak as a peashooter go flat dmg

[sweet brook]

that's basically it yeah

[dusty vault]

you can do most non meta stuff work well in this game really

[neon quiver]

zeus is still fun D:

lightning cool

[dusty vault]

also the more you play the more skilled you'll become that you could win with whatever is handed to you lol

[karmic cave]

True, I've been doing well by myself so far. Tbh I just felt like joining this discord bc I wanted advice about how to get the third statue.

I thought I would need help for the second one but it ended up being fairly easy.

[sweet brook]

there's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you need help

and you can ask further questions there

[karmic cave]

Yeah, already read it.

[sweet brook]

nice

[karmic cave]

I plan on trying it when I get the better mirror upgrades.

I spend everything maxing out the default upgrades and on helping Nyx out with Chaos, so I don't even have the few last ones built all the way.

I didn't notice the alternate options for upgrades until I had almost all of the other ones maxxed out.

[sweet brook]

you could reset your mirror if you have stuff on the opposite side that aren't good lmao

[karmic cave]

I'm stupid, I forgot that I cold use keys for that lol.

[sweet brook]

lmao happens

[gaunt dawn]

is it always better to pom your main attack or your Gods favor?

[sweet brook]

depends

what are the pom options

[gaunt dawn]

zeus heroic main attack, poseidon favor

[sweet brook]

what's the third one

[gaunt dawn]

lightning reflexes

[sweet brook]

attack then

none of the other stuff is worth it

[gaunt dawn]

why, poseidon favor has always been good for me

[sweet brook]

i mean it's alright i guess

but the attack is probably gonna get your more consistent mileage

[gaunt dawn]

i see

[gaunt dawn]

exploring the tunnels on the final zone is a good idea? or its a risk of ruining the run or even dying

because those poison enemies hit hard

[sweet brook]

not worth the risk

once you get the fountain, just go

[gaunt dawn]

i think im going to lose anyways

i already lost my revive

[sweet brook]

happens lmao

[gaunt dawn]

and yeah thats exactly what happened

atleast i have lots of things to do at home

[hazy fjord]

update I made it to Elesiyum but couldn't theseus

[sweet brook]

it do be like that

[hazy fjord]

I felt I was doing piss damage to him lol like he was slowly going down

[sweet brook]

yeah he's not particularly fast

you have to wait for him to turn around and you can only get in a few hits before he turns around

if you kill the bull first, dealing with theseus alone isn't so bad

if you stick close to him, he'll always do the spin attack and you can iframe through that and be close enough to attack him while he's turned away

[restive portal]

There's a Zeus, Artemis duo boon (lightning rod) that can help in early runs when you aren't familiar with enemies by letting you do passive damage in long fights while you concentrate on staying out of trouble.

Add double strike and jolted if you're lucky and it complements many weapons well.

[stoic raven]

at that point just zeus shield

[gaunt dawn]

what happens if i play without wifi and i do something in the game that would give me a steam achievement?

do i get the achievement inmediately after reconnecting to wifi?

[rocky meteor]

afaik as long as you open the game at least once with wifi you'll be able to get achievements. when they will appear I do not know

then again it depends on the game

so assuming achievements are stored locally (idk if you can check that) you can get them

[hazy fjord]

Ima try to do this

[slow brook]

Hades community is strange

[stoic raven]

how so

[cedar delta]

Hey Bipolar, is English your primary language?

[final dune]

what is strange about it

[gaunt dawn]

if you surrender you keep all the loot?

i just dont see the point in surrender when you could just let yourself die

[cedar delta]

No. Completely resets the run

It's as though you never did the run at all

[gaunt dawn]

sounds kind of pointless

specially when the game rewards you for doing the normal way

[slow brook]

it is

[leaden whale]

It keeps the RNG seed the same when you do your next run

Hence why the leaderboards are broken up into seeded and unseeded

[gaunt dawn]

So if I get a Zeus blessing in the First room and then surrender

The next time the Zeus blessing is still going to be there ?

[leaden whale]

Ye

Unless you use a different god keepsake

[gaunt dawn]

Also wait the game has a leaderboard?

[leaden whale]

No, but there's something pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies iirc

[cedar delta]

It's a leaderboard run by the community, not SGG

[leaden whale]

^

And of course there's also speedrun dot com

[sweet brook]

speedrunning leaderboard mainly, but the heat leaderboards pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies also exist as "unofficial" but still official

the seeded anyheat leadboard has a 2:48 in game time run, which is fun to watch

that's routed tho, which is similar to seeded runs

[gaunt dawn]

It would be fun if you could but a leaderboard in the game as a decoration tho

“ what is the purpose of that “
“ i track the best times i took to beat each floor father “
“ that is so stupid “

[sweet brook]

lmfao that'd be great

there isn't anything in game for each biome but there is stuff for each run

so that's something at least

[worn citrus]

what to do after beating hades

[zealous egret]

hey, i started playing 4 days ago and finally made it to ||theseus and the mino in elysium, but died within about one minute lol|| does anyone have tips for their attack pattern? i can't quite figure it out, i'm working to get my 3rd rank of death defiance to help

[final dune]

keep beating

[worn citrus]

is that it?

[final dune]

well theres a lot of varietu

more story events

difficulty options

[worn citrus]

alr2

[sweet brook]

you generally want to focus down the bull first since he's the one chasing you around
the bull has pretty wide/long windups, so you can figure out what he's doing. his main things are basically swings and jumps, which have different wind up animations. i dont really remember what they exactly are, but you can def tell them apart. when he charges at you, he puts his head down, so that's your cue to start running lol. bait him near a wall/pillar and dash through the bull at the last second to make him hit the wall/pillar. you can dash to the side or through the pillar, but he might curve around and hit you so be mindful
theseus only has 2 attacks, the throw and his spin. if you're close enough, he'll always spin, which has like a white circle flash before the swing goes through. you can dash through the spin to get behind him and hit him a bit before he spins again

[leaden whale]

Also theseus has a thing he can do at half health, you'll want to take the bull down before that because it becomes more of a pain to dodge them otherwise

I definitely hit a wall with them when I was new though so don't feel bad

[worn citrus]

how to get merciful end

[viscid notch]

You have to meet the requirements to be eligible. You need Athena Attack/Special + Ares Attack/Special

[worn citrus]

Alr ty

[urban sequoia]

What makes merciful end so good? I'm a bit confused, mostly asking because I've never got it

It says attacks that deflect inflict doom immediately

So I'm guessing attacks powered up by Athena's boons do this, but why is that good? Isn't Doom guaranteed damage already?

[viscid notch]

Doom does not stack. While only your Attack/Special make you eligible for ME, you can proc it with Dash because it also deflects. So you have a fast attack to apply doom, say fist attack, and divine dash. Every dash strike you apply Doom and detonate it almost instantly with the added 40 dmg from ME

You can also combine it with Impending doom which has no downtime with ME

[urban sequoia]

What does proc mean?

[viscid notch]

activate

[urban sequoia]

Okay doom not stacking is the difference I see

[viscid notch]

Yep, an enemy can only have 1 doom at a time

[urban sequoia]

So if you hit like 5 attacks while an enemy is doomed it won't stack extra doom, it'll only be done by the next attack that hits the enemy once it's out of the doom state

[viscid notch]

Correct

If you have dire misfortune it'll stack damage on top of that same doom, not create more doom instances

[urban sequoia]

Alr thank you now it's clear how insane ME must be

What does dire misfortune do?

[viscid notch]

Increases doom dmg with each hit, so when you apply it's say 100 then each additional hit will give it +12/14 whatever the multiplier is

so if you apply and hit twice before it detonates it'll do 124

[urban sequoia]

Ohh I didn't understand that from the description I should probably document myself on what every doom boon does

They're a bit more complex I feel

[viscid notch]

Yea it's ambiguous, a lot of people look at it first when they learn about ME. and with ME it does nothing because you have no downtime anyway, meaning no time to stack more dmg since you're procing instantly. Impending gives like +80% doom damage but it takes more time to detonate, see the advantage with ME?

[urban sequoia]

Mh I see so with impending doom you straight up deal more damage, because the extra downtime thing is overwritten by ME right?

That's insane I'll try to force Athena + Ares combinations next time, sounds fun

[viscid notch]

yea that's it

Flat damage scales very well with % increases

So the buff from impending is massive, and it also has good pom scaling

You also indirectly scale with more dashes

[urban sequoia]

Mh true

[hazy fjord]

Dude this guy keeps destroying me I can never kill one of them off Theseus is so difficult

[hazy fjord]

https://youtu.be/1n4uRSqKBZA?si=noaclgCevCH6Odx8 how does he kill him so fast

[karmic cave]

Well, the speed at which you kill any boss in the game mostly boils down to having a good combination of boons, making effective use of your weapon aspect and positioning.

[hazy fjord]

The thing is I have trouble doing damage to Theseus

[karmic cave]

If you want more tips on how to fight Theseus.
You should focus taking down the bull first, Theseus in his first phase just walks around the arena throwing his spear at you (or a spin attack if you get too close), if you keep in mind Theseus position and hide behind cover when you see the marker above your head, you should be fine while figthing the bull (I know it might be a bit hard to keep track of it every single time but it works really well).
When Theseus goes into his second phase the first attack where he summons the gods help is where he's at his most vulanerable state bc he doesn't block any attacks and stands still the entire time, you can avoid the gods attack fairly easily during this time so you should use it to do as much dmg as possible.

[hazy fjord]

Thx

I just don’t feel like I’m doing good damage usually

Maybe I’ll screen cap how im playing then send

[karmic cave]

His shield plays a big part in his resilience, you can only attack him from the back and he usually only turns his back to you after throwing his spear or after the spin move.

It takes practice to learn when and where to strike.

[hazy fjord]

If I can get there

He’s hard to get there sometimes lol

I wish I was better lol

[karmic cave]

It's perfectly normal to feel like you're doing no dmg when starting out. Weapon upgrades and mirror aspects also play a big role in the amount of dmg you do.

[hazy fjord]

I’m on my 55th run 💀

[karmic cave]

And you haven't escaped once?

[hazy fjord]

Nope

I’m so garbage

[karmic cave]

Well, everyone learns at a different speed.

[hazy fjord]

What run did u escape once on ?

[hazy fjord]

I just need to get better

I’ve never played one of these games before

[karmic cave]

I don't really remember when the first one was but I got 44 clears and my best streak was 22 escapes in a row.

I'll check the exact number when I play next time.

[hazy fjord]

Teach me how 😭😭😭

I’m using my cast then dishing damage

[karmic cave]

I think there's a lot of more expirienced players here than me but if you want I can maybe stream one of my games here on dc some time.

[hazy fjord]

Dope dude thx

[dusty vault]

what wep are you using again

[hazy fjord]

Sorry to be a pain

[hazy fjord]

Usually whatever has the passive in the run but my main is spear and sword

[dusty vault]

do you have aspects yet?

[hazy fjord]

Like using the titan blood ?

[dusty vault]

yeah

[hazy fjord]

Yes lvl 3 on the aoe

[dusty vault]

which aspect

I assume spear

[hazy fjord]

Yes

[dusty vault]

is this hades spear or achilles

[hazy fjord]

Wait there’s 2 ?

How do I check that

[dusty vault]

check where you use the blood (interact with your equipped weapon in the courtyard)

there's aspect of zagreus, hades and achilles

[hazy fjord]

Aspect of hades is lvl 2 and Zagreb’s is lvl 1

[dusty vault]

aight, a thing for spear sadly is it wants hammers for actual dmg

first don't trust spin builds with hades spear

the debuff it inflicts doesn't apply to spin attacks

for dmg you want to focus on serrated point (-25% dash distance, do 3 dash strikes)
or exploding launcher (can't recall the spear, instead it has aoe and higher base dmg) and píck up charged skewer

[hazy fjord]

I can hop in vc if u want btw

[dusty vault]

I'll explain quicker through text

[dusty vault]

whatever build you'll go you want to pick up aphro or artemis attack/special respectively

idk how big is the debuff of lvl 2 hades spear so prob aphro may be better for consistent dmg

if you go aphro you can add zeus call to open their duo boon

and if you get a few poms or support boons from him like double strike you could win just spamming call

if you go the artemis route, you'll mainly want chaos boons to make up for the low % of her boons

[hazy fjord]

I just got a hammer

Triple jab

Quick spin

[dusty vault]

adding aphro is also nice to open their duo

[hazy fjord]

Charged skewer

Are all these good ?

[dusty vault]

charged skewer first ain't ideal

as normal spear special is frankly bad

quick spin can be fun to apply the debuff more safely

[gaunt dawn]

hhow do you dodge ||hades circular spear attack||

im pretty sure i could beat him if it wasnt for that attack

it always hits me even if i dash

[viscid notch]

Do not attack mid dash

[gaunt dawn]

why

do i get more invencibility frames?

[viscid notch]

Yes, the moment you attack your invincibility is gone

So whenever you're trying to dodge simply press dash

no attacks

[gaunt dawn]

ok but you sure its gonna work?

would it work even with the default dash?

[dusty vault]

Yes

You can try it with any enemy

Also for that attack in specific, dash twice through it ||when the outline shows up|| and you should dodge it just fine

[gaunt dawn]

dash twice like using the two dashes mirror upgrade?

or one dash after another

[dusty vault]

Using the mirror upgrade, once after another

Dashes have a cooldown so you would need to time it well for single dash

[gaunt dawn]

ah damn i preffer the variant that gives you chance to dodge but i guess il do it

although hermes also can give you more dashes

[hazy fjord]

made it to theseus again but the bull has so much health

[dusty vault]

Without the latest mirror skill do you really want to leave it at that chance

Ruthless reflex main uses are for the hidden fists and as a niche for ||high heat, on shields||

Dash strike are good on basically anything so having 2 fashes from the start pretty good

And ofc more iframes, better movement

[hazy fjord]

dang I want to get to the end so bad

maybe when I fully upgrade mirror I will be able to beat it

[gaunt dawn]

Why am I always wrong

[broken girder]

The true question is, why is he always right?

[neon quiver]

he's never wrong

just less correct

[karmic cave]

I've never been wrong, I was merely testing you, to see if you could get it right.

[hazy fjord]

so I finally made it to ||hades||

but his move where he spins in a circle destroyed me

[broken girder]

||I think there’s a faint line as a warning, so you can either dash out or try to time the I-frames||

[hazy fjord]

I see Lowkey might turn god mode on just to beat him lol

[gaunt dawn]

same

[hazy fjord]

ture might just switch to God mode

[sweet brook]

takes some practice to get the iframes and timings right

[urban sequoia]

How many escape attempts are you at btw?

[hazy fjord]

30

[urban sequoia]

I see

[sweet brook]

30 isn't that much tbh considering where you've gotten lmao

probably like about average or above average

[urban sequoia]

If you don't feel like dying a bunch of times it's fair to switch to god mode don't worry about it.
But I wanted to say that you haven't done a ton of runs yet

So you might consider playing more on normal mode imo

A lot of people got out at escape 40-50 or even more

I got out at #27 for the first time because of Aspect of Hestia, maybe you could try it, it deals way too much damage when you use it right lol

[hazy fjord]

is that the shield?

[dusty vault]

Rail

[urban sequoia]

It's a variant of the rail

[hazy fjord]

oh I do not like that weapon lol

the furthest I made it is with the gloves

the spear is my fav but does really bad damage

[urban sequoia]

Basically the first shot after you manually reload deals more damage, and when you upgrade it to max that one shot deals A LOT of damage lmao. So you just shoot once and reload and you use it like a sniper rifle or something

[urban sequoia]

Ye that's the thing

It's very reliable and everything, good range

[hazy fjord]

the gloves are just good

and I love them lol

[urban sequoia]

But you have to know the bosses well because it's hard to get a build that deals a ton of damage

I have barely used the gloves lol

[hazy fjord]

thenone I struggle on is theseus

and the final

[sweet brook]

all the spears suck for damage except achilles lmao

[dusty vault]

I got my first win with the fists

Well, it was a cast build but still lmao

[sweet brook]

flurry jab and serrated point on spear does good damage tho

[hazy fjord]

||yup almost did made itr to second phase||

||and I was so sad seeing his health rise to top||

[urban sequoia]

Maybe fists is easier because they straight up deal more damage I think

[dusty vault]

Should spoiler that

[restive portal]

Spoiler please

[urban sequoia]

So bosses last less

[sweet brook]

it just depends how you build it

[hazy fjord]

Idk im sad I have to redo everything lol

[urban sequoia]

I mean overall aren't they easier to get to deal a crap ton of damage? Maybe to a new player perspective who doesn't know much about builds and such

[sweet brook]

i mean tbh it could feel like youre doing a lot of damage but you're just not lmao i used to think % attack on fists did a lot of damage

[hazy fjord]

I just don t feel like I produce a lot lol

[sweet brook]

the main draw of fists for new players from what i've seen is the fact that it's just easier to use since it's just "hold the attack and dash" basically

[urban sequoia]

Maybe this will make you less sad but if you were to finish your first run now you would actually finish "too early" for the story dialogues, when I finished it once I saw the dialogue trying to catch up and I got a ton of stuff way too much later because I simply finished the first run way too early

So you're doing fine lol

[restive portal]

Took me ages to get used to fists. I'm a bow man.

[sweet brook]

try zeus attack and getting static discharge, and pom static discharge as much as possible

[hazy fjord]

are u serious

they want u to beat the game way later

[urban sequoia]

I guess lol. I just saw enemies die a lot faster with fists, but idk I literally only have completed ||1 heat|| with fists

[hazy fjord]

tbf havent even finihsed the mirror like seen all the sskills

[urban sequoia]

Not necessarily but like kinda

They expect you to finish a run a bit later

[restive portal]

They'll change your options.

[sweet brook]

how far are you on the mirror?

[urban sequoia]

And if you finish it early the dialogue is a bit all over the place, at least that was the experience for me

They'd say stuff like "so you have unlocked the rail I see..." While I had already cleared 5 runs with it

And unlocked all the variants

[hazy fjord]

Ill send a screenshot

[urban sequoia]

You could say how much it costs to upgrade it rn

If it costs 30 keys that's your last upgrade

[hazy fjord]

yeah

30 keys

[urban sequoia]

Yeah that's the last one you'll have to buy

[urban sequoia]

Btw consider buying "death defiance" 3 times, which is the maximum, upgrade "tough skin" which gives you more health, and use Lucky Tooth, which basically gives you an extra life

All of these will give you maximum survivability

If you don't like how you spent your purple stuff you can spend one key (bottom right of the mirror) to respec

[sweet brook]

acorn is better than tooth

[urban sequoia]

What is that?

[hazy fjord]

acorn is crazy

bosses first 3 attacks immunity

[urban sequoia]

Ohh ||Eurydice||'s keepsaks

Yeah that one is wild too you're right

[hazy fjord]

idk I just am sad I have to do this over again well time to do another run

[urban sequoia]

If you just want to see what happens when you beat him maybe just use god mode once

And then you decide if you want to keep it or not, I guess that's a good compromise

[sweet brook]

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Change the last 2 to the opposite side

then you're good

oh and change dark regen

and golden touch

for some reason i thought golden touch was part of the last 3 i'm just illiterate

[gaunt dawn]

how is my build

oh wait i cant attach images

[gaunt dawn]

well is basically this but first, 5 and the last 4 are switched

is zeus main attack good with bow?

or should i go for another type

[dusty vault]

Aphro or arte

You can use athena/||dem|| as other options if they show up at like epic

[gaunt dawn]

but i have to choose so i guess il choose zeus special

because a barrage of arrows is technically rapid fire

[dusty vault]

Uh

[gaunt dawn]

what

[dusty vault]

Zeus boons have an internal cooldown

[gaunt dawn]

i dont think zeus blood stone is a good choice either

[dusty vault]

So you won't get multiple lightning if you shotgun an enemy with your special

Cast is aight

Clears small stuff

[gaunt dawn]

also wait a minute arte has a main attack?

[dusty vault]

All the gods have

(except hermes chaos cuz yknow)

[gaunt dawn]

i know but i just realized now, maybe i just didnt remember it

i just picked arte bloodstone because it chased

[hazy fjord]

I gfot good and beat the game

I did it

lol

[dusty vault]

Gg

[hazy fjord]

did it with fists

[gaunt dawn]

Ares too?

[dusty vault]

Nah

Bow wants % boons

[hazy fjord]

well should I keep beating game or is that it ?

[dusty vault]

Do it again

[gaunt dawn]

But what if I have the charm that makes you fire quickly but can’t do charged

[dusty vault]

Even then

[gaunt dawn]

I see

[dusty vault]

Look for triple/twin shot on next hammer (assuming flurry was chosen first)

Then you'll see how every weapon is a melee weapon

[hazy fjord]

I beat it on 33th run

[gaunt dawn]

I had to pick it because there was no other option

So I’m waiting for someone to offer an exchange

[sweet brook]

keep going lol

stuff happens story wise

[hazy fjord]

is 33th run pretty good btw for the average player ?

[sweet brook]

yeah

most dont clear until later afaik

although like

it doesnt really matter lmao everyone goes at their own pace

like someone got it in like 7 before iirc

[hazy fjord]

thats so good lol

[gaunt dawn]

Dang it I was so close to beat him this time

But he did a new attack I wasn’t prepared for

[hazy fjord]

it be like that

[gaunt dawn]

bruh every run i reach him

and die to him

im starting to get annoyed

[cedar delta]

Fight near the big NW and SE rocks!

They'll absorb tons and tons of attacks, hopefully

[gaunt dawn]

new moon?

SE?

[cedar delta]

Northwest, southeast. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding your one-word questions

[gaunt dawn]

nah i get it

i just didnt catched what the abreviations mean

[cedar delta]

Looks like someone doesn't sail much heh

[gaunt dawn]

i always die when he starts shooting the lasers

[viscid notch]

You can also just hug

You take no damage

[cedar delta]

Right. And that's what the big rocks are for. If you don't hug him, just hide behind the rocks, eh

[stoic raven]

tf you can hug
sadly ill never be able to use that

[hazy fjord]

wait if u just stay close to him lasers do no damage

[sweet brook]

yeah but the spacing is a bit tight, you kinda have to be like right on top

it's a bit inconsistent, but not that inconsistent to pull off

[hazy fjord]

so close to beating it again

failed on final boss

[slow brook]

2ND TRY MADE IT OUT OF TARTARUS

ON NEW SAVE

[sweet brook]

gamer

[slow brook]

would have done it first try but 2 hp

[hazy fjord]

I wish athena was guaranteed for each run

[slow brook]

wdym?

[hazy fjord]

like deflect is needed I feel lol

I would of won if I had that ability

[slow brook]

just got a very good upgrade

bonus damage depending on how much gold I have

[sweet brook]

could start athena or take her into asphodel

[hazy fjord]

wait how do I do that

[sweet brook]

keepsakes

their whole purpose is letting you control your build by taking them into biomes lmao

[hazy fjord]

ture

but like no joke

athenadidnt spawn twice in a row

I made it to the final boss

but likeI wish I could guarantee her

[slow brook]

keepsakes?

[hazy fjord]

true but don't I want lucky the other life one

[sweet brook]

tooth?

do you need that in asphodel?

[hazy fjord]

no

[sweet brook]

the thing you get when gifting nectar to gods

[velvet chasm]

you can start with athena's keepsake and change it between biomes

[sweet brook]

also side note, it's generally better to spend gold rather than save it for a tiny bit of damage, esp since how much damage you get out of it is very small

[slow brook]

I know that already I'm just telling them they need keepsakes

[slow brook]

I know?

[hazy fjord]

but it wont let me switch to lucky

[sweet brook]

well you called it a "very good upgrade" so i couldn't tell

[sweet brook]

wdym, just switch it after asphodel?

[hazy fjord]

not for lucky it said expired when I tried to do that

[slow brook]

bruh

anyway

my main problem with fights in this game is that its pretty hard to tell whats happening

its getting poe levels of bad

[sweet brook]

poe?

[velvet chasm]

it if said expire, then you probably used already it in a previous biome i think. it shouldn't expire if u start with athena and then switch to whatever in second biome.

[hazy fjord]

just be observant everything has a steady pace

[hazy fjord]

well how do I get the athena keepsake anyway

[slow brook]

path of exile

[sweet brook]

gift athena nectar

ah i've never played path of exile

[slow brook]

kinda hard to do when there's so much happening on screen

[velvet chasm]

gift athena nectar yeah. that's how you get every god's keepsake

[hazy fjord]

ahh need to run into her

[slow brook]

example is boss enemies the size of the player

I can't exactly tell what attack they are gonna use when there is so much effects happening on screen

[sweet brook]

i mean you kinda just learn to deal with the stuff on screen

[hazy fjord]

they do a animation

[sweet brook]

comes with more experience

[slow brook]

thats not helping at all

bruh

[sweet brook]

i used to be the same way at the start, and others too

[slow brook]

again

did you not see my complaint

[hazy fjord]

get good idk man beat it in 3 days

[sweet brook]

i mean like, the more you play the more you learn to deal with it and filter out the less important stuff

[slow brook]

or are you ignoring it?

[slow brook]

bruh

[slow brook]

again

did you not see what I said

so much is happening on screen so its hard for me to tell whats happening

not everyone has perfect eyesight lmfao

[sweet brook]

yeah and i said that you'll be able to tell what's happening the more you play and get used to it

[velvet chasm]

i actually relied exclusively on athena dash for like first 50 runs of the game before trying any other dash lmao. then i realised the other dashes are good too. just play around till you unlock all the keepsakes, don't need to laser one build.

[slow brook]

yeah and I said so much is happening on screen so its hard for me to tell whats happening

read please

I still consider it bad boss design that they need to throw in extra enemies in a arena

[sweet brook]

well bad boss design is subjective i suppose lmao

[slow brook]

unless killing them provides some sort of benefit there is literally zero point to them being there

[sweet brook]

but like that still goes to my main point of that through more practice you'll get better at seeing stuff

and dealing with stuff

[slow brook]

alright I'm not gonna bother

clearly you aren't listening to what I'm saying

[final dune]

your premise does not make sense

[hazy fjord]

well tbh Ilike the ares one a lot but the defelct is just needed I feel especially with stone and lasers deflect feels needed lol Im not good ad dodging them then thefional boss a bunch ofthings are thrownat u lol

[final dune]

why is it so crazy that there are Summons in an Arena

[velvet chasm]

this is like a mechanic in like 75% of boss fights in every game I've played tho. summoning minions

[slow brook]

I feel like enemies in an arena are to compensate for the boss just being mid in design

[sweet brook]

i get that there's a lot of stuff going on screen and you can't tell what's happening, but like
you can play slower, pause buffer a bit to soak in the information before you keep playing
playing more to familiarize yourself with the surroundings and you'll be able to expect what's coming

[slow brook]

yet again the first boss has the most basic attacks imaginable

[final dune]

it is the first boss

[hazy fjord]

wait till the third...

[final dune]

there are ways to make it more difficult with new moves added later in the game

[slow brook]

I been to the third

but honestly they could have done better with the first boss

[sweet brook]

i mean every game has room for improvement lmao it's not a perfect game

[slow brook]

the game is naturally fast paced so thats not exactly easy to do

[hazy fjord]

@velvet chasm what would u reccomend based off lasresand such defelct or differnt types of dashes?

[slow brook]

sorry if I'm not satisfied with a game?

[sweet brook]

eh i guess

[slow brook]

idk man I'm not seeing the reasons why this game is good

[hazy fjord]

u do get stronger everytime u come back

[slow brook]

this game could work better as a visual novel

[slow brook]

so dark souls

[final dune]

you have literally not even reached one of the major reasons this game is so fun

[velvet chasm]

i mean athena dash is still my favourite dash. but if u can't use that, try poseidon dash that one's pretty goated.

[slow brook]

oh so my opinion on the game is invalid? thats the dumbest logic I ever heard

[hazy fjord]

cause u have to get good and reacha certain skill threshold it is amazing it pushes u to think and strategize and punishes u for wrong builds and positioning

[slow brook]

I guess I can't dislike games until I fully beaten them

[faint umbra]

Even if there is a disagreement between you remember to be kind to each other, there’s no need to be rude

[slow brook]

I don't find it good

[velvet chasm]

the game IS a visual novel. if people want to play exclusively for the story, they can use godmode to skip the gameplay

[slow brook]

which most players including me don't use cause it would basically be cheating

[final dune]

you are literally in the server of people who like the game

[slow brook]

like I physically cannot bring myself to use godmode

[final dune]

and you come in and say it's bad

like what do you expect

[slow brook]

I gave my reasons multiple times

you chose to ignore them

[final dune]

because they don't make sense

apparently bosses are not allowed to have summons

[slow brook]

Is there a rule against critising something I don't like about the game?

[hazy fjord]

really thxs Ima try it out I just want to beat game with spear lol

[slow brook]

very weird

[final dune]

well what do you expect the reaction to be if everybody here likes the game and you mention things we enjoy as bad game design

[slow brook]

obviously this server is for people who like the game

[faint umbra]

There is no rule about that, but as people said keep in mind this is a server full of people that like the game

[final dune]

i like the summons

i like the enemies and i think there is sufficient variety

[hazy fjord]

ur supposed to die btw like and learn

[faint umbra]

Yep. It is what it’s for. As most discord servers for video games are.

[slow brook]

and keep in mind there are people who will say negative things about the game

its that simple

[final dune]

ive been here a year and i have never seen anyone else come in and rag on the game like this

[faint umbra]

Sure. But there is no need to get snippy about it

[ivory ocean]

it's alright to not play a game you don't like. sgg has other games that may be more interesting and fun for you.

[slow brook]

I'm not getting snippy at all? I'm just appalled that I can't have a discussion without it blowing up into a whole argument

[hazy fjord]

well u kinda are dogging on the game despite not even scratching the surface

[slow brook]

again I provided my reasons

[final dune]

yeah and literally nobody else here agrees

why is it bad design to have summons

[slow brook]

I guess in order to have an opinion here I need to

• beat the game
• learn the entire lore
• learn every tiny mechanic about the game
• beat it on every difficulty and do multiple challenge runs

thats what I'm getting whenever I talk here

[faint umbra]

The game is not perfect and not everyone will find it fun but clearly if people love the game a lot, they will defend it. Obviously it’s ok to not like it haha but it’s clear to me that it will start discussions around it and people will want to know why

[hazy fjord]

just beat the game once ?

[final dune]

how is this not snippy dawg

[slow brook]

I can dislike a game and have an opinion on it without beating it?

sorry if I don't enjoy a game enough to beat it?

really weird

[final dune]

what is productive about coming in and saying this game is bad because of x y and z that everybody else likes

what positive discussion does that facilitate

[slow brook]

what is productive about arguing with someone who provides reasons why they dislike the game

think about it

[final dune]

like so far what i've seen is you saying you don't like the game for x reason and other people saying they actually liked that part of the game and you getting mad

[slow brook]

I'm not even getting mad?

now your just twisting my words

this is going nowhere

[faint umbra]

This is not an official “mod warning” per se but if you come in here calling the game and the regulars I’m the channel weird multiple times, consistently, there’s likely a reason people argue - it’s inflammatory

[slow brook]

I haven't come in here calling them weird multiple times

If you cannot accept that someone doesn't like the game then maybe you should introduce a rule that prohibits it

[final dune]

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[hazy fjord]

btw anywayI can grind titan blood?