#h1-for-new-players

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viscid notch
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Yea also that

leaden whale
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Kinda glad I find the ranged weapons generally more fun, I have to force myself to not use the bow all the time

gray haven
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But pretty easy to learn.

gray haven
leaden whale
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But hey, my most successful run so far was Achilles spear going zeus/Artemis and a lot of casting

viscid notch
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Could become a bow prodigy who knows

leaden whale
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So I probs just need to experiment more

untold ravine
leaden whale
untold ravine
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Melee with long range yes please

gray haven
leaden whale
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True

viscid notch
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Chiron prodigy

untold ravine
gray haven
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I know what he meant, yes.

leaden whale
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Are there any other aspects that change how the weapon is played? Like chiron and the tracking special, Achilles spear incentivising casting etc.

untold ravine
gray haven
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All of the weapon aspects are designed to be unique in some way.

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Design goal for Hades was high dynamic range.

untold ravine
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mb wrong reply

leaden whale
viscid notch
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Luckily Hera is really good at lv1 too

gray haven
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||Heat|| is spoilers. tizomg

ivory vortex
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It definitely is

leaden whale
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which god do you guys think give the best boons

restive briar
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Come on man

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You know by now that depends on your weapon

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There’s a steam guide pinned in this channel that I pull up regularly

gray haven
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Lady Aphrodite gives all the best boons, naturally.

untold ravine
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bro you're just hating on everything popular

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skill issue

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just roll better

buoyant jay
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she cant be the worst when ||demeter|| (just in case since some newer players might not have seen her yet)exists

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so you think ||demeter|| is better than ares?

final dune
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how does one get the locked heart for charon?

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or is that something i have to find out

sweet brook
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you too buddy

buoyant jay
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yeahh I noticed earlier but then made the same mistake

final dune
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is the last heart the favor?

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oh and then do i have to use that thing i got at that boss

sweet brook
final dune
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also

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will i be alright sticking with the spear for a while

sweet brook
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since ||demeter|| has % boosts, it's much more versatile and can be used as a good damage boost

final dune
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or the sword

sweet brook
final dune
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cause i dont like the other fellas

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since the bow is a pain and the shield is weird

sweet brook
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spear is generally better than sword but both are fine

final dune
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i had been going with the spear and then did sword for one run and got my farthest run with it

sweet brook
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with bow, you always want to dash strike for faster charge

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shield kinda needs charged shot and/or levels to feel decent lmao

buoyant jay
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well I did have my best run against theseus and asterius where I only lost 23 hp in the entire fight and lost no DDS using a combination of drunk+ ||chill||. And even though I prefer other gods, aside from when I'm looking for merciful end and hunting blades, I actively had been avoiding Ares, but I didnt realize which one was worse.

final dune
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and will i ever have to change my tactic of approximately "spam space directions and mouse1"

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it got me past the two guys a few times

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thats the main reason why i dont like the bow

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because it makes me use my little brain at least a bit

buoyant jay
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bouldy howd that fail

sweet brook
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you forgot the second | lmao

final dune
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forgor

buoyant jay
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there we go

final dune
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is there a way to check how much diner i've spent or do we get there when we get there

sweet brook
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gonna have to explain what you mean by diner lmao

final dune
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money

sweet brook
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should be there on the bottom right corner at all times

final dune
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that's how much you haven't spent in one run isn't it

sweet brook
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well it's how much you have

final dune
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do you have to spend the 10 grand in one run?

sweet brook
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you can't check total count as far as i know

final dune
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unfortunate

sweet brook
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you can't spend 10 grand in 1 run

final dune
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it sounded less than feasible

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thanks for entertaining my silly questions

sweet brook
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i dont even think the world record for gold in a run is anywhere close to that lmao

buoyant jay
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haelian got like 9000 something obols i think

sweet brook
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aight i stand corrected

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but also you cant spend 10k considering golden touch

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and even if you do enter styx with 10k you cant spend it all lmao

buoyant jay
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yep he got 9086 at the end

final dune
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also, weird question but do you actually get a lot of people asking about the hydra or is the channel description a joke

buoyant jay
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some do but many more people ask about theseus and asterius

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and the last fight

celest fox
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Maybe it's just really old

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Hydra used to be the final boss in EA

late thistle
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How do i get

worn shuttle
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Get what

late thistle
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||Companions (idk if spoiler or not)||

sweet brook
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max bonds with certain characters

worn shuttle
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||you gotta max out your relationship with the people who give companions with nectar and ambrosia||

sweet brook
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||meg, achilles, dusa, skelly, sisyphus, and than||

late thistle
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ok, thanks. gotta start the grind now

pearl creek
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how do i beat ||theseus and the rhino||

pearl creek
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and everything becomes so tanky in asphodel. Feels like im fighting a miniboss on everything.

tired canopy
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The poseidon boon that causes a secondary wave when colliding with wall is extremely satistying in styx, using gun special to trigger. I think poseidon dash will also be very powerful to trigger that

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Also wondering if aspect of ||lucifer|| is as good for triggering it

gray haven
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Tidal Dash is much better than Tempest Flourish, in fact.

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Excellent pom scaling.

raw vessel
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how do i get hades' keepsake

plucky urchin
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dialogue rng

viral violet
gray haven
raw vessel
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you get keepsakes within the first 30mins of gameplay

gray haven
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End boss and anything onward is a spoiler here.

raw vessel
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how was i spoiling

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hades is an npc

gray haven
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Why are you arguing lol.

raw vessel
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i just need an answer for my question lmao

gray haven
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||You don't get his keepsake until well after you beat him, so it's a spoiler.||

viral violet
# raw vessel i have

Just keep whooping his ass until you can give him nectar again ( don’t forget to talk to him when you can)

gray haven
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Again, spoiler tags please.

raw vessel
gray haven
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Please read channel description.

viral violet
gray haven
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||spoiler||

raw vessel
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||ive beat hades 10 times and gotten persephone to move back||

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isnt that all i need?

gray haven
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Yes. ||Just need to get the right dialogue with him to give him more Nectar again.||

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Basically just more talking and more runs.

raw vessel
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willl it work if i just quit and reopen a couple of times???

gray haven
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Nope.

raw vessel
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aight

gray haven
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Might as well collect some more bounties in the process.

raw vessel
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what if i just kill myself in the lava

gray haven
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That works.

raw vessel
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lol ty

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so its just a mattter of getting the righht dialouge

gray haven
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Yup. Shouldn't take long.

raw vessel
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also

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how many ranks are there to olympians favour

gray haven
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Goes up to +40%, but Dark Foresight is waaaaay better anyway.

raw vessel
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aight

gray haven
raw vessel
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cheers

raw vessel
raw vessel
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Aight

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Is there an achievement for maxxing every mirror aspect?

leaden whale
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Can you keep the coins after a run?

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I got this run over 1200 should I buy the diamond?

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So uh

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I was not expecting the final boss to have a ||second phase||

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And I legitimately cant do this

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Even with full health and an extra life I got smashed, ugh

gray haven
gray haven
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Good luck!

clever dune
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do i loose out anything from using mouse and keyboard compared to controller?

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i heard ppl saying that some optimized combos r awkward on mouse and keyboard

burnt sand
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Is there no way to proceed to the next level without claiming the boon in the beginning?

gray haven
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You need to pick up chamber rewards to advance, yeah.

burnt sand
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😔

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Well even if there was a way I wouldn't get super far either way shadeembarassed

patent helm
clever dune
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so ig its just personal preferences

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but i also wanna know abt the optimal stuff

restive briar
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Damn dude

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Any tips for third floor boss

rich relic
restive briar
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👌

valid portal
# restive briar Any tips for third floor boss

||Stay away from Theseus and dodge whenever you see his targeting thingy on you, that aside it's basically a solo Asterius fight until you kill him, at which point you can just go get Theseus since he isn't too strong on his own pff
Keep in mind that Theseus will start throwing some aoes when he drops to half health, which is one of the reasons why you want to get Asterius first - so that you don't have to avoid these and the bull at once||

restive briar
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Yeah it’s a nightmare when that happens

rich relic
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||you’ll also be able to dodge asterius better with less going on cause he’s got some pretty obvious attack patterns once you get used to it||

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Good luck!!

leaden whale
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I really gotta stop rushing, I'm worried I'm being too slow to "beat" a run and then realise I literally haven't even finished unlocking all of the mirror upgrades lol

clever dune
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does Stygian blade dash strike counts as a thrust?

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i wanna know if the hammer upgrade that gives bonus dmg and crit on thrust works on it

untold ravine
leaden whale
untold ravine
leaden whale
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I guess, pretty sure the next set has a damage bonus thing thatd help me though

untold ravine
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Wait hold up

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Oh right yeah it's the privelaged status and Olympian favor stuff

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Get those and then focus on getting darkness

leaden whale
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Noted, I'm like one key away

leaden whale
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So I only just realised death defiance has more than one upgrade level...

leaden whale
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I started playing a while ago and there are some weapons that are not showing up for me, like Malphon, how do I get him?

native scroll
mental latch
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coins from the dead?

short scaffold
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Didnt know what would happen, safe to say the run didnt last long after that

mental latch
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that is neat

short scaffold
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AHh oops

mental latch
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did you try to steal from Charon??

short scaffold
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Better not spoil indeed

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I felt like a noob anyway haha

restive briar
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you can steal from charon?

ivory vortex
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|| yes ||

mental latch
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Stealing from Charon sounds like a bad idea

viscid notch
mental latch
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Spears are for thrust?

devout basalt
mental latch
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What does Charon need money for anyway?

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(And I am not a bro.)

pearl creek
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i have a dying hatred for those stupid tanky ass butterfly orbs

mental latch
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What do you buy in the Underworld?

pearl creek
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15 seconds of nonstop shooting later:

mental latch
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You can buy Darkness?

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How much?

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I want one

restive briar
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out of all the ways i though i was gonna beat third level boss

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||hunting blades|| was the last i expected

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but it makes sense cuz i would just ||triple blade the two and just hide behind a pillar||

sweet brook
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Hunting blades moment

restive briar
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noooo

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||i almost killed hades on my first try. one hit away||

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these ||blades are insane||

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is it worth giving up ||ambrosia|| for ||titan blood||

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on what

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I have 1 ambrosia and two titan bloods

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Idk what weapon I wanna spend it on yet

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I already invested 5 into the bow which is good

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But I’m gonna hold off for now

pearl creek
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what does 1 do with ambrosia

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what do i do with it yes

raw vessel
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||what are companions and how do I get them||

plucky urchin
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||companions are like an extra call u can use up to 5 times per escape attempt if maxed out. u get them by gifting 1 ambrosia to 6 ppl after completing their favor: meg, than, dusa, skelly, achilles and sisyphus||

raw vessel
plucky urchin
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||gift her nectar then wait for dialogue rng||

raw vessel
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||how much nectar||

plucky urchin
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||i think 6||

raw vessel
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aight ty

raw vessel
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||how do you make orpheus sing???||

spice wadi
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||what are aspects and how are they unlocked?||

plucky urchin
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u dont have to spoiler aspects

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they’re basically different forms of each of the 6 weapons

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they change the weapons playstyle is either small or large ways

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nyaanyaa has a newbie aspect levelling guide

plucky urchin
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|| there’s the music stand if u havent bought it yet from the contractor||

tired canopy
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One of the easiest companion to get is imo ||Dusa's||, it's also one of the stronger ones (||Meg, Dusa and Sisyphus's keepsakes are considered stronger||).

raw vessel
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should i bother keeping my streak or just kms reptivatly to get the right dialouges

plucky urchin
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up to u

vale berry
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i have a question

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so if there's a boon\

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and i choose not to take the boon

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(like picking a shop or darkness, etc)

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will my chance of finding more boons in the future increase or will it be the same regardless?

sweet brook
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it will stay the same

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the game doesn't offer you more boons if you have less

tired canopy
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Is the ||butterfly|| damage increase global?

raw vessel
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||i have a heart with only the bow in it but hades wont give me the option to gift him nectar, ive already given him his first one||

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???

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hes also giving me very dry dialouge

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like ||"get along with it"||

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@plucky urchin can u help?

raw vessel
plucky urchin
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uhhh could u find a picture online or smth cuz im not too sure wut ure talking abt

old escarp
raw vessel
old escarp
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I don't mean just talking to characters more, you have to progress the story through runs

raw vessel
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I see

alpine ridge
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Really depends, how many times have you finished a run successfully?

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Getting to the tenth should be the goal at least

raw vessel
tired canopy
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Should I go with Family favorite instead of privileged status for an Aspect of Hades spear build starting with Artemis attack?

gray haven
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Crit builds normally go for Family Favorite, yes.

tired canopy
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Also, for aspect of hades debuff, does the debuff attack bonus stack additively or multiplicatively with other sources

leaden whale
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Merry Christmas everyone! My mom just gifted me a Nintendo Eshop gift card and I could get Hades, I’ve never played it but something very important to me is repeatability

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Is this game good for that ?

tired canopy
gray haven
restive briar
raw vessel
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i now have all the keepsakes but i dont have the achivement

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why

burnt sand
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The first boss tanky as hell tbh

wise igloo
burnt sand
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Ifkr

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Easy enough but too much health

wise igloo
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The Hydra was easier to me just off that alone

spice wadi
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should i trade my ambrosia for titan's blood early on?

viscid notch
restive briar
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I don’t think I’ve ever died to the hydra

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The fact that it doesn’t move make it a very easy target

restive briar
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It does but like

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It moves in place yknow

leaden whale
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does the dark portal damages me 26hp or takes it away?

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thanks

final dune
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how am i meant not to get absolutely prickled by asterius in the solo fight when he does the fast movement thing?

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when its him and theseus i can go behind one of the generous room's nice and large pieces of cover

gray haven
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(1) get close to an obstacle (like the wall) and empty-dash away at the last moment, so he'll crash into it trying to turn away; or (2) get between two obstacles (like the pillars) and empty-dash through Asterius at the last moment, so he'll crash into one of them trying to turn around.

final dune
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forgive me, im a loser, what's an empty dash?

dusty vault
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Dash without using other inputs like attack/etc

final dune
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oh like a neutral?

dusty vault
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As those remove iframes from dash

green moth
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how to get burner and seeker

final dune
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i think ive figured out theseus anyways

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seems like you just keep blamming him until you get the target on your head and then you get behind something and start the cycle again

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the biggest issue is that i always get prabloopt in elysium before the fight because the flarbly guys that can respawn take most of my health

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also

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does there ever come a time in a young child of the underworld's life when they should switch off whatever keepsake it is that gives them loads extra health

gray haven
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Keepsake meta is god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass or Acorn > Acorn.

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For each region, respectively.

final dune
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oh

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ive come to rely on this health doubling fella

gray haven
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HP is nice, but you get no control over your build.

final dune
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ive just been kinda going with the flow

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ive only got one run so far that actually plapamt me on the boon side of things

leaden whale
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Update, just did another run and got the final boss down to like 20% health before I accidentally stood in a laser and got my hp melted

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Was running an aphrodite/Artemis sword build and it was going insanely well

buoyant remnant
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damn that sucks hard bro

leaden whale
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yeah, i'll get the W eventually

sweet brook
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It do be like that

leaden whale
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on the plus side i got enough for a second death defiance stack and unlocked the 3rd set of perks (privileged status/dark foresight)

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so my next run where i get a good build going will probably be The One

buoyant remnant
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hey guys why cant i upgrade my weapons with titan blood? i havent upgraded anything and it wont give me the option to

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ok

pine sundial
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Just download Hades tonight because I liked Pyre and Bastion, and I like Greek mythology. I played for a few hours, the art is gorgeous. The gay hasn’t happened yet, but I’m willing to wait patiently. Dionysus showed up though, and it was great. He’s kind of an inspiration for me.

restive briar
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you're waiting for "the gay" to happen?

worn shuttle
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The gay.

junior crest
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love the gay

sweet brook
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happens to the best of us

restive briar
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where can I find some

restive briar
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@mods can we get this pinned

final dune
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If the meta is two god keepsakes for Tartarus and asphodel, is it possible to choose two gods bad enough to like actively harm your escape attempts

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cause I have picked two gods who probably aren't good (that's always how it goes for me) specifically because I like them and not their boons (Artemis and Athena)

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and idk if I have the heart to switch off

gray haven
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Not really. At least you'll have some kind of idea of what build you want to go for.

final dune
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cool

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deflect my beloved

sacred fiber
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hi guys, how do i unlock aspects and upgrades for my bow?

i see stuff like hera and chiron but i see no option for me to go into those upgrades

steel kestrel
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You gotta spend some of that titan blood on the aspects but I can't remember the specifics of it.

sacred fiber
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gotcha

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yeah rn i dont see the interface to unlock those options to use the titan blood

digital tangle
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Does stygian soul synergize with boiling blood?

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im assuming not but wouldn't mind finding out ok

winged sedge
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Wassup gamers

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Got this game with some money I got for Christmas

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Just played my first dungeon and respawned and am a bit worried this is going to get really repetitive

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The story is awesome and my character is badass, but I’m getting a little turned off by the combat system and am wondering what other aspects the game has other than the dungeon crawler.

rich relic
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For me I’d say the biggest aspect that brought me back to the game is the excellent writing and wanting to see the story through

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After completing most of that I’ve gotten good enough at clearing that it’s seeing how fast I can go or how good of a build I can get

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Although personally I enjoy the gameplay loop a lot these days

steel kestrel
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I love the story.

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The dialogue makes me want to hear more.

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Since each line is different and not repeated.

onyx finch
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is there a visual representation for curses and/or stacks of curses on enemies?
Same as bloodstones?
I'm pretty sure there should be.
There are a few description that talk about stacks but I never saw how many I add to an enemy.
Probably my bad eyesight

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Will need to look harder then.
Thanks

sweet brook
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Shoals is like wavy stuff a their feet, jolted is electricity running around them

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But they're a hit hard to see

sacred fiber
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tyty

restive briar
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Is jolt any good

onyx finch
restive briar
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oh shi

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ok

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but obv you would couple it with a fast weapon

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lightning reflexes?

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you mean like non attack procs of lightning/

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gotchu

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is that a boon?

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lightning on near miss?

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lol idk i dont recall coming across a boon with that effect but its porbably because i dont pay much attention to zues unless im playing the fists or the gun

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but ill try to get that build going next time

sweet brook
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Procing jolted off of cast, dash, or lighting reflexes are still a good option

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For alternatives anyways

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Cast is nice because it chains to enemies, dash and reflexes are nice because they're probably gonna hit an enemy anyways

pseudo pumice
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Finally cleared || last boss with all base weapons. Is there an optimal blood investment path? I've only maxed out zag bow. ||

viscid notch
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Very solid choice to start with

tidal mist
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this is probably quite a stupid question but, where exactly do you use titan blood? is there some sort of requirement you have to meet before being able to use it?

viscid notch
tidal mist
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oh makes sense, thanks

viscid notch
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Then aspects will reveal themselves and you’ll be able to spend blood there

tidal mist
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tyty

viscid notch
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And you can check pins for what to invest in because some are confusing/don’t seem that great

tidal mist
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got it

analog aspen
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i reached end credits and only just realised how to spend titan blood lol

restive briar
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Which characters are worth giving nectar first?

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Like maxing it out

lone vine
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they already said that they got all keepsakes on another channel

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and yea I don't think there's really any harm to just giving them to anyone you want after that

tidal mist
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are all the weapons balanced or are there some stronger than others?

lone vine
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the latter

tidal mist
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sadge

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how good is the spear

lone vine
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but they all do have their own set of playstyles yes

tidal mist
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icic

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ty

restive briar
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got my first dub

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somehow I knew before going into the last fight

tidal mist
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hm

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what's the best one then

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prob still sticking to spear cause i like playin spear

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but still

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ic thanks

serene knoll
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Bow is pretty easy

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Maybe I just haven’t played too much of the other ones tho

jolly swift
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The shield was pretty easy for me, as soon as I got it I was able to reach the third act/place/region

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The gun is underrated and has too much haters 😔

jagged elbow
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i did good enough with the ranged weapons personally, i felt i got farther than with the melee but it's probably because i'm bad at dodging

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gun did good by me

serene knoll
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You don’t have to learn the enemy’s patterns if you’re across the room from them

jolly swift
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Youtubers and streamers

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I tried the bow with that range artifact thing and the further increase in damage if you're ranged

jagged elbow
jolly swift
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The game doesn't like me with the gun, it always makes me fight that witch trial part 😔

dusty vault
serene knoll
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You can just kite people instead of having to learn defense

jagged elbow
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but i'd say that i had received the right gifts to use and abuse my range

serene knoll
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???????

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Is there something I’m missing

jagged elbow
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although i bought a second death defiance and without it i'd probably have died

serene knoll
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Ig so

jagged elbow
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i'm giving away every nectar i have to charon he's always been a good friend i think

jolly swift
serene knoll
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What upgrades should I go for with the mirror btw? I have the first 8 slots unlocked and 1195 points to spend

jagged elbow
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idk he seems appreciative he has a lot of hearts in my diary

serene knoll
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He’s just tired

jolly swift
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He is a skeleton that speaks in murmurs

serene knoll
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Thanks

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It isn’t in pinned btw

patent mirage
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hey im new to hades does anyone have any tips for starting out?

serene knoll
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Is there benefit to gifting to the same person more than once?

gray haven
patent mirage
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alright thanks

serene knoll
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Are there any specific keepsakes I should try to get

gray haven
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All of the god keepsakes, Acorn, Hourglass, Coin Purse.

odd gust
vernal oak
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Who should I give my first nectar to?

odd gust
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honestly

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cerberus imo

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it gives more health

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its a crutch

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which is rlly good as a beginner

sweet brook
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but for the most part, collar is the worst defensive keepsake

odd gust
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fr?

sweet brook
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acorn can mitigate more boss damage if it's the final one
maybe for third boss too, but not sure about that

sweet brook
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3 death defiances with collar is 125 effective hp

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tooth is 100

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assuming max lvl btw

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so collar can be better than tooth, but realistically at a certain point, the first two biomes shouldn't be much of a struggle. most players after a while dont struggle in tartarus or asphodel

#

and once you reach elyisum, if you burnt a DD, then skelly is effectively the same

#

technically better because you revive an extra time, which grants some iframes

odd gust
#

thats the thing

#

im still struggling on asphodel

sweet brook
#

collar might be helpful then
or it might also be a build issue

gray haven
#

Well, first two biomes you're best off using god keepsakes to get a decent build.

shy oasis
#

Or money to buy a decent build, but yeah I love the god keepsakes.

odd gust
#

anyways

#

i did get a decent build

#

i beat the hydra with 4 health left but thanks to my build the health went back to 54

#

and i havent even used death defiance yet

serene knoll
sweet brook
#

doesnt mean his keepsake is better than others lmao

serene knoll
#

No

livid jackal
#

but cerbeus best boy

onyx finch
#

Best boys

final dune
#

can you not quit from charon's shop?

sweet brook
#

you can't if you bought something

#

enter the next room and then quit before anything happens

final dune
#

aw nuts

final dune
sweet brook
#

yeah

final dune
#

oh

#

ok

#

cool

#

this is the most prepared i've ever been for a theseus fight 🙏

#

yay

#

im gonna die anyways though

#

used up both death defiances somehow

final dune
#

well i did pretty good there to be honest

weak wraith
#

do i have enough blood spent to unlock the aspect of ||Arthur|| like this? level 0 zag, level 2 nemesis, level 1 poseidon?

plucky urchin
#

||do u have guanyu?||

weak wraith
#

all i wanht to know if this amount of blood spent on other sword aspects is enough

plucky urchin
#

||nyx can say the magic words to u||

#

u just have to wait

#

yes its enough

weak wraith
patent mirage
#

hello

patent mirage
vocal elm
#

What's the timing on dodging Asterius's leap?

#

I seem to get hit by it every time

viscid notch
vocal elm
#

I've been trying to dodge as soon as I see him like move, is that wrong?

#

thinking will be that the i-frames will trigger while he's midair

#

am i suppose to dodge earlier or later

#

I can't tell if I'm dodging too early or too late

strong phoenix
#

tbh, i honestly dont rlly strategize for anything in this game lmfao im pretty much running on luck. makes it more fun for me atleast

#

and also im not smart enough for that haha

vocal elm
#

Well I already died to him so I can't exactly test that right now

restive briar
#

He does a couple of short range swings, then pauses for a moment before making the big leap on you

patent fiber
#

^^

#

2 big swings --> leap for however long

lament needle
#

do all the weapons in hades have equal base damage or not? like is the bow better than the starter sword.

vocal elm
#

Does doom stack?

vocal elm
#

also how do you

#

backstab the bone hydra

#

i can't seem to get procs on it

proven pivot
viscid notch
viscid notch
viscid notch
tidal mist
#

does the aspect of achilles raging rush also count as special?

#

for example if you have the curse of pain does the dash also apply doom?

sweet brook
#

i dont think so

tidal mist
#

hmm

#

maybe i should just test it out

viscid notch
#

It doesn’t

#

Wait

#

I read that wrong

#

I think it does

#

I thought you asked if Specials can get empowered by the +150% achilles buff

tidal mist
#

nono i meant if Raging Rush applies curses basically

viscid notch
#

It should

tidal mist
#

alright thanks

viscid notch
#

If I remember correctly

#

Can always just do a quick test

#

Mid run

tidal mist
#

yep

odd gust
gray haven
restive briar
#

Thanks

#

Kinda ironic that the spoiler is in the title of the channel lol

green moth
#

how to get apphorite god mroe oftren

#

and artenis

#

i need to unloick hearthbut they keep dodging

#

even i followed how to do it

deep oar
#

you use their keepsake

#

if you dont have that you need to give aphro and arty one nectar each

tidal mist
#

what should i be looking for when using aspect of achilles

deep oar
#

tidal dash and good cast

final dune
#

would something like an auto target where you don't need to aim your attacks actually be a large advantage

deep oar
#

controller has auto aim

sweet brook
#

you can turn off aim at cursor if you're on kbm

deep oar
#

also that til

final dune
#

cause i was considering a keyboard only setup

sweet brook
#

typically only done when using rails tho

#

yeah that's fine

final dune
#

for funsies

sweet brook
#

i did a kb only run last week or something

deep oar
#

kbm is technically the meta isnt it

#

w/e

sweet brook
#

eh

#

controller and kbm are pretty good

deep oar
#

yea

sweet brook
#

croven uses controller, ocke uses kbm

#

when croven was starting out he also only used kb iirc

gray haven
gray haven
deep oar
#

i wasnt sure thx

tidal mist
#

also for hammers?

sweet brook
#

flurry jab

gray haven
#

Flurry Jab is best, and you'd want to avoid spin hammers because they'll prevent you from picking up Flurry Jab (incompatible)

tidal mist
#

tyty

final dune
#

Gahhhhh ive taken like 5 athena boons and she wont give me the damn deflecting attack

sweet brook
#

if your other cores aren't filled you should try and do that

gray haven
#

If you have an Attack from somebody else, then the odds for an exchange are very low.

final dune
#

holy nuts i actually have a chance against final boss rn

green moth
#

which blade has the upgrade that gives u damage as much as u have coin

sweet brook
#

hoarding slash hammer

#

all swords can get that

#

it also sucks

green moth
#

its the best

#

howw can i guarantee to get that

sweet brook
#

you cant

#

that's a spoiler

tight spindle
#

hi yall i just now started playing the game and was wondering if theres like a boon of athena thing thats way better than the others

#

if i chose one can i go back and like change it later

tidal mist
#

the best athena boons to my knowledge are the deflecting ones

#

ideally attack or dash

tight spindle
#

oh ok

#

and its like good to die?

vagrant fractal
tidal mist
#

^

vagrant fractal
#

It's ok to die but you should still try to escape

tidal mist
#

basically it doesn't matter that much if you die but you should still try to escape

tight spindle
#

oh okay, and i just got my 2nd boon thing, for one of them it says epic? are there like random tiers to it or?

tidal mist
#

yeah

gray haven
#

You'll lose a lot of runs before you win one.

tidal mist
#

i feel that

vagrant fractal
#

Higher rarities are usually better but it's still situational

restive briar
#

||after upgrading the mirror and weapons, are keys useful for anything else?||

vagrant fractal
#

yeah it took me like 28 runs. probably more than average ngl

tight spindle
#

also how do i deflect, is there a certain thing i gotta do?

#

or just like attack when they attack and it deflects it

vagrant fractal
tight spindle
#

uh yeah

#

i think so 😭

#

it has said deflect before but tbh im just kinda mashing keys

vagrant fractal
#

Athena's boons usually have deflect

tidal mist
#

depends on what deflect boon you have

vagrant fractal
#

You just use the corresponding ability

gray haven
tight spindle
#

ooh okay, thanks !

tidal mist
#

if it's the attack one, attack in the direction of the incoming attack to deflect

#

if it's the special one, use your special

restive briar
tidal mist
#

and so on

tight spindle
#

also are the purple things important

tidal mist
#

what purple things

tight spindle
#

like gem-stoney thing, idrk what they are

tidal mist
#

oh

vagrant fractal
tidal mist
#

darkness

vagrant fractal
#

They're important

tidal mist
#

yes they are a key part of the game

vagrant fractal
#

You're gonna need a lot of them

tidal mist
#

they unlock various upgrades

gray haven
#

Most important thing to know when you're new, because the game doesn't tell you: you're invincible during empty dashes, but you lose the invincibility if you do an attack or anything mid-dash.

tidal mist
#

wish i knew that earlier

vagrant fractal
#

oh that makes sense

gray haven
#

For everything else tbh just play for now and try out anything that sounds good or interesting.

vagrant fractal
#

I didn't know that lmao

tidal mist
#

i picked it up when i was midway through ||elysium|| for the first time

tight spindle
#

what's doom?

#

and how do i special attack

tidal mist
#

when you hit an enemy it curses them and that curse deals damage after a certain period of time

tidal mist
gray haven
#

Doom is a status curse that deals delayed damage.

tight spindle
tidal mist
#

Q

tight spindle
#

is it just the thing i need a red diamond thing for?

tidal mist
#

huh

gray haven
#

No, that's Cast.

tidal mist
#

oh yea

gray haven
#

That "red diamond" is a bloodstone.

tight spindle
#

ooh okay

#

💀 sorry idk the names of things lol

tidal mist
#

special is on Q by default, it differs for every weapon

tidal mist
#

to ask questions and clarify things

tight spindle
#

are there any downsides to using my special?

#

like any costs or anything

tidal mist
#

nop

#

you can use it as much as you like

#

there's certain builds even relying on special damage

tight spindle
#

oh i died

gray haven
#

That's to be expected lol.

tidal mist
#

yea

final dune
#

if you spam space and mouse1 with the sword will you do a dash strike every 3 hits or no

#

i cant tell

tight spindle
#

so what do i do the gold?

#

and do i lose it if i die in a run?

tidal mist
#

you do lose it if you die

#

also there's these occasional cauldron thingies, idk what they are called, you can also spend coins there

restive briar
#

oh the purple pool

tidal mist
#

yea i did a quick search it's called the Well of Charon

tidal mist
gray haven
#

Also commonly just called Well.

restive briar
#

also is it just me or is ||elysium the most difficult level? Everything from the traps, common enemies, and the bosses||

tight spindle
#

what does the symbol on the door mean? it's like a skull symbol next to one of the places i can choose to go

#

it's not really a door but i dont have a better name for it 😭

#

oh okay

tidal mist
#

as i said, new player issue

odd gust
#

@gray haven what do you do to counter theseus?

#

i killed the bull and got theseus to 50% hp phase

#

but

#

he blocks all attacks

odd gust
#

he has the circle move doe

gray haven
#

Get close to bait his spin attack, then empty-dash to evade the spin.

#

If he's getting ready to throw his spear, you can just hide behind a pillar.

odd gust
#

how do you know what direction hes gonna do the circle move in?

gray haven
#

Doesn't matter. Your dash is invincible.

patent mirage
#

Hello

gray haven
#

You just time your dash to i-frame the spin.

odd gust
#

also

#

nyaanyaa

#

im getting better at game 🙂

#

and i know now

tidal mist
#

W

odd gust
#

fists = go dyonisus and zeus

#

bow = go artemis

tight spindle
tidal mist
#

no

#

all currencies are kept upon death besides coins

final dune
#

thanks

tidal mist
#

also is there a certain keepsake i should be using? or does it just depend on play style

gray haven
#

Sparrow made that, not me. Thank Sparrow. dusa

tight spindle
#

should i save nectar for anything ? i have like a trident it says i can give it to, does that just give it to the god or?

gray haven
tidal mist
#

nectar is used to build relationships with npcs

gray haven
#

For each biome, respectively.

tidal mist
#

thanks

final dune
#

is there any way at all to tell which thingy will have the ||sack||

odd gust
final dune
#

i just got absolutely bablitod

#

entered with 250 hp and 2 death defiances and came out with 38 and 1

tidal mist
#

i assume they meant ||styx||

odd gust
#

also i wanna unlock aspects alreadyyyy

#

i have 5 blood just waiting to be fed

gray haven
#

Spoiler tags for final boss. tizomg

odd gust
#

sorry

tidal mist
gray haven
#

Or just say "final boss".

tidal mist
#

i'd just use the one i find most fun

restive briar
tidal mist
#

i like using ||achilles spear|| despite the spear being one of the worst weapons

gray haven
#

Final boss region is technically its own region but generally counted to Styx.

final dune
odd gust
#

nya

#

can u help me

final dune
#

but i did pretty decent on the boss

odd gust
#

idk if bow is better than fists

final dune
#

got him to 50% on ||2nd health bar||

final dune
odd gust
gray haven
#

Bow is better than the Twin Fists, yeah, but can be more difficult to learn. Doing consistent Dash-Strike Power Shots takes practice.

tidal mist
odd gust
tidal mist
#

good job though

odd gust
#

just doing shots for 60 base?

gray haven
final dune
odd gust
#

how do u concentrate on power shots while making sure you dont get hit doe?

restive briar
#

You practice lol

gray haven
#

Practice.

#

You'll just need to find your rhythm for consistent Power Shots.

restive briar
#

I don’t wanna tell you to git gud

final dune
#

||and i got immediately blasted to 9 hp on the second phase from about 145, but then i got him down to 50% because i had the greater call with athena so i just stood there spamming mouse1||

restive briar
#

But getting gud will make the game much easier

#

And it’s not that hard to git gud

tidal mist
#

fr

final dune
restive briar
#

The game has such a slow incline In difficulty that you wont believe how much you improve after a while

gray haven
#

What if I am gud already?

#

What then?

restive briar
#

Git gudder

odd gust
#

damn

gray haven
#

Impossible.

odd gust
#

i got bad artemis boons

#

should i restart run?

gray haven
#

No.

final dune
gray haven
#

What is she offering?

tidal mist
#

is there any requirement for getting meg's battie or do i just give her 5 nectar?

odd gust
#

deadly flourish, true shot, hunter dash

#

all mid

gray haven
#

Hunter Dash is great on bow lol.

tight spindle
#

||is it normal to get a boss fight on ur 3rd run?! 😭 its a room with a skull, 2 arrows and the star||

restive briar
#

What boss are you talking about

gray haven
#

First boss is always in chamber 14 lol.

final dune
#

how do you check your chamber again

#

did it once

#

no idea how anymore

gray haven
#

Boon menu.

tidal mist
#

when you check boons

#

it shows top right

#

on keyboard it's on B

#

but idk controller

gray haven
#

If you press your boon menu button/key right when you enter a chamber, it'll show the chamber number without opening the boon menu btw. tizomg

final dune
#

people play on controller??

gray haven
#

Pad is more popular, yeah.

tidal mist
#

yeah

restive briar
#

I like to lean back

final dune
#

😱

restive briar
#

It’s good for me

gray haven
#

Whatever works for you. KBM and pad are both fine lol.

final dune
#

you can't tell but i just dropped dead

tidal mist
#

i saw some speedruns n stuff and they were all on controller

#

i assume it may be slightly better or somethin?

final dune
#

that is wild

gray haven
#

No, it's just personal preference really.

tidal mist
#

i see

gray haven
#

There are a few advantages and disadvantages on certain aspects, but not really to the point you'd switch from KBM to pad or vice versa if you've been playing on one the whole time.

tidal mist
#

got it

gray haven
#

There's also players who use the left side of a pad + mouse lol.

tidal mist
#

that's mad

#

ngl

restive briar
#

Hmm

#

I may try that

tidal mist
#

i could never

restive briar
#

I miss a lot of shots due to imperfect aim assist

#

And keyboard doesn’t give me enough mobility

final dune
#

is a pad just a controller?

restive briar
#

Not to mention my right thumb is starting to hurt

#

Yeah

final dune
#

this must be that east coast terminology

restive briar
#

Lol yeah

tidal mist
#

what are all the ways of obtaining titan blood

gray haven
#

Every pad is a controller, but not every controller is a pad. tizomg

final dune
#

praying to the Lord our God

tidal mist
#

i know beating ||meg and hades|| for the first time awards you with 1
i also know the one occasional reward in ||styx||
and i think i saw some in the ||fated list of minor prophecies or whatever it's called||
is there any other way to obtain it?

final dune
#

||heat|| isnt it

gray haven
#

After your first win, ||you'll unlock the pact of punishment, which allows you to get bounties from the bosses again||.

final dune
#

yeah

#

all i know is from wiki surfing

odd gust
#

how good is the yarn of ariadne?

plucky urchin
#

if ure going for a duo and have the pre-req’s it increases the chances that u get it

odd gust
#

idk how to get a duo

plucky urchin
#

have you bought the codex upgrade from the contractor?

odd gust
#

no

plucky urchin
#

that allows you to see all the boons a god offers?

restive briar
#

The codex is a life saver

odd gust
#

rn im saving for a deluxe contractor desk

plucky urchin
#

hmm okay well try and work towards buying everything from the contractor

restive briar
#

Arguably the most important upgrade for quality of life

plucky urchin
#

yea that’s important

gray haven
tidal mist
# odd gust idk how to get a duo

you get two boons from 2 different gods and pray you get a duo on your next boon from either of those gods
they also gotta be compatible gods, and it's gotta be certain boons

plucky urchin
restive briar
#

The codes will tell you exactly what boons you need

odd gust
plucky urchin
#

so will the wiki

restive briar
#

Nope

gray haven
#

they also gotta be compatible gods
They all have Duo Boons. Except for Lord Hermes and Master Chaos.

tidal mist
plucky urchin
#

imagine if hermes had duos

tidal mist
odd gust
#

i just got 30% faster attk speed on bow w hermes

gray haven
#

That's not good. Doesn't work on Dash-Strikes. tizomg

plucky urchin
#

not wut u want on bow either

final dune
#

this is why sword is my goat

gray haven
#

Only worth taking if you have Flurry Shot.

final dune
#

ez and simple

restive briar
#

Is yarn of Ariadne from charon well?

gray haven
#

Yes.

plucky urchin
odd gust
#

also

#

i got a lucky ahh well

#

got kiss of styx and yarn

#

bought both

final dune
plucky urchin
final dune
#

i dont know what to do with it therefore too complicatged

gray haven
#

Twin Shot and Triple Shot are best on bow.

final dune
#

also range minute

restive briar
#

There’s triple shot??

odd gust
#

can a hammer appear in the shop?

gray haven
#

Yes.

plucky urchin
restive briar
#

Yes to what

gray haven
#

Both.

plucky urchin
tidal mist
odd gust
tidal mist
#

200

restive briar
#

How do you obtain triple shot? Just a random daudelus?

final dune
plucky urchin
#

merciful end mmt

plucky urchin
#

i dont think its compatible with twin shot

gray haven
#

So if you take Twin Shot first hammer, you can't get Triple Shot second hammer.

final dune
#

wow theres a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes here

gray haven
#

?

final dune
#

like

#

manipulating all this tomfoolery in order to sculpt your collection of buffs

gray haven
#

We're only scratching the surface, yeah.

final dune
#

my meagre mind couldn't hold all of this then

#

unfortunate

gray haven
#

I could tell you how the game chooses what boons to offer you when you pick up one.

#

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

odd gust
#

bruh

#

the speedrunnar really sharing their book of secrets thinking we can understand it

#

me to dum

gray haven
#

m not a speedrunner. tizomg

restive briar
#

Oh no @gray haven made a typo

final dune
#

magician

gray haven
#

I did not make a typo.

odd gust
#

2 hammers and no flurry shot 😭

gray haven
#

You just want Flurry Shot because you're not good at power shots yet, huh? lol

#

Think of it this way: you get to practice more because you didn't get Flurry Shot.

final dune
#

i dont like bow because you get to move less

gray haven
#

Bow gud.

final dune
#

im bad

restive briar
#

Bow is incredible

final dune
#

i just dont like using it

#

it requires more decency at pressing buttons than i have

tidal mist
#

spear best ong

restive briar
#

Nothing is as satisfying as getting a massive crit

gray haven
#

The real fun is learning when not to power-shoot because it's faster to let go early. tizomg

restive briar
#

Oh you mean the little flashing thing?

#

Yeah that’s the best

#

I get it like 1/2 to 2/3rds if the time

#

Which keeps me wanting to improve

gray haven
#

Also, there's being consistent with Power Shots and there's consistently doing Power Shots as early as possible in the window.

odd gust
#

bro phase 2 theseus is mad unfair

#

his aphrodite attack takes like 2 seconds before it hits you

restive briar
#

Run.

final dune
#

||should i be saving my keys for weapons or mirror||

#

||ive gotten the 10 key mirror upgrade and 3 weapons||

#

wow piercing wave is nice

tight spindle
#

hey i got a poisdeon's aid thing but idk how to get the things to use it, does anyone know how to?

tight spindle
#

yea like the gauge thing

#

idk how to fill it

final dune
#

you fill it by dealing and taking damage in rooms

#

it resets each room

tidal mist
#

kill enemies

#

and that yea

final dune
#

it should tell you which button it is idk what you're on

tidal mist
#

it's on F

#

he's on keyboard

tight spindle
#

does it go away after each room?

final dune
#

yes

#

like it resets

tight spindle
#

oh okay

final dune
#

you can get a thing that makes it start with some charge i believe

#

man ||tisiphone|| is easy but confusing

#

because

#

||i keep thinking she's going to do some sort of circle attack||

#

||when she's about to do one of her line attacks||

#

||so i dash away in a straight line||

restive briar
final dune
#

it always makes me happy to pwn ||thanatos||

final dune
#

is cursed slash worth it

#

i always used to take it but now im wondering

gray haven
#

Not really, no.

#

At high level sword player, it's just -60% HP with no benefits.

#

Because we don't do normal attacks, only Special and Dash-Attacks.

tight spindle
#

hey is it better to buy weapons or use the keys for the personal-upgrades?

#

also which weapon is best?

#

also, is there anyone i should prioritize giving nectar to?

tidal mist
#

imo

#

cause it gives you access to aspects when you have all the weapons unlocked

tight spindle
#

oh okay, thx

tidal mist
tight spindle
#

battie?

sweet brook
#

that's like

#

late game lmao

tidal mist
#

oh is it

sweet brook
#

yeah lmao

tidal mist
#

i mean i asked if there's any req for it

sweet brook
#

the req is to max the bond

tidal mist
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nobody said anything so i assumed you can rush it

sweet brook
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and yeah ofc giving her nectar will advance it and you can rush it

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but it'd take a good amount of time

tidal mist
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ic

sweet brook
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and frankly shouldn't be a priority for nectars

tidal mist
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ig then just unlock all keepsakes?

sweet brook
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every god, eurydice, and chiron should be your first nectar priority

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once you give those 1, go for everyone else

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and then once you have all of them, just give the rest to whoever you want

tidal mist
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i could use that tip myself, ty

tight spindle
restive briar
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I had a nectar or two on me in case I came across a new god or character

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So I unlocked all possible keepsakes asap

serene knoll
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||currently fighting Hades rn but I have slow regen (first phase). Is there anything stopping me from just stalling until I fully heal||

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Like if he gets stronger over time or something

tight spindle
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wait what happens if u gift someone twice

tidal mist
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it just increases your relationship with them, some of them eventually give you a reward

serene knoll
tidal mist
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for example the aforementioned meg battie

sweet brook
tight spindle
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are chaos gates randomly generated?

gray haven
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Pretty much.

tight spindle
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hey how do u save

gray haven
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The game auto-saves. You just need to press start/esc and then quit.

hollow robin
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No saves system implemented, gotta do it in one sit (obviously joking)

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True roguelike experience is erasing your game knowledge between each run

restive briar
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aigh guys. i gotta take a break from this masterpiece for a while. thanks to ya'll, i was able to git pretty gud pretty quickly. probably halving time it wouldve taken on my own probably by half.

sweet brook
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If you can't quit the game at that point you just have to enter the next room and quit immediately before anything happens

restive briar
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specially @gray haven and @sweet brook and mike

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cheers

quasi silo
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very new to hades i have enough keys to unlock either the shield or the spear, which one is better

gray haven
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They're both fine, just pick whichever you fancy more.

tight spindle
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what's heroic mean rarity-wise? is that the highest rarity

gray haven
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Yeah.

final dune
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it's comforting to go back to tartarus after a run to the final boss

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everything is so easy

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can't believe i died here once

restive briar
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Same

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I think they’ve designed the game so perfectly

final dune
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yayyy i finally made a bond

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10k spent

opal tiger
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Is there a specific strategy against theseus? He seems to be really difficult to deal with using bow

plucky urchin
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what aspect are you using?

opal tiger
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I think I just stuck with chiron upgraded +2

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Oh wait

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Zagreus