#h1-story-discussion

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deft sedge
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he'd be a baby by everyones standards if you mean actual 10 years old

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if you mean physical appearance then idk - they're gods & immortal beings & dead people

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make up your own rules!
hehe

topaz lake
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which I think is old enough for weapons, I had a machete when I was 6 and I was fine

deft sedge
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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your story your rules

topaz lake
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I'm writing that secret garden au

deft sedge
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idk secret garden aside from the music group

topaz lake
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so it's less like, what he's actually doing and more what he should/wants to be doing

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Oh! it's a children's book from the early 1900s

deft sedge
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I should think that at 10 he'd still be trying to impress his dad

topaz lake
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about a little girl (who is a JERK) who gets sent to live with her uncle in a big country house where she meets a little boy (who is even worse), who is her cousin

deft sedge
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ye, I don't need the book info

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but ty anyways

topaz lake
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aw i was enjoying telling you it

deft sedge
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it's not the channel for it

topaz lake
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Oh

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but... this is the channel to discuss the AU I'm writing, right?

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Am i lost Again

deft sedge
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it's the channel to discuss Hades story - I usually only see things related to the actual story or greek mythology

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I don't know beyond that

topaz lake
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Hm. Well I usually go in here

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but yeah secret garden au. the RELEVANT part is that 1) there's an abusive father motivated by the loss of his wife at the "hands" of their child, who he believes to be useless & weak, 2) there's a garden and it's secret

deft sedge
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well, you enjoy your au writing

topaz lake
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Thank you, I will, Meg is there and she's doin' very well at murder school

charred vale
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I kinda feel sad that I didn't stop at the sunrise spot in Greece after the first few clears. Only saw the view while watching a stream

wicked creek
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how many times have you cleared the game?- you can still do it if you can still get to greece lol

charred vale
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Cleared it 158 times already lol

wicked creek
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dang

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time to start a new save

charred vale
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Yeah. That's what I was thinking.

wicked creek
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i've always wondered if someone (or how many people) has done a first-attempt clear

charred vale
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It just bums me a little that I was dashing through the surface lmao. Didn't occur to me that there was a "zoom out" spot

wicked creek
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it's basically just a level 0 zag sword routine inspection run i guess? but you're forced to take some things like athena first

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wait

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the first clear you're forced to walk

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can't even run

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that's kinda how it makes you look at the sun

charred vale
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I think there's a speed run thing on YouTube that is exactly that

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Yeah, I think I walked a little too far from the spot that makes you look at the sun on my first clear 😂

wicked creek
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rip

autumn tinsel
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based on, as the name suggests, clearing as fast as possible on a new save

wicked creek
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isn't that to end credits

glad lotus
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Does hades have different dialogue if you go an entire run without picking up boons vs if you sold all the ones you did grab

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Because i'm sorry dad but my uncles were very pushy >:(

frosty dagger
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Can you ever visit persephone's garden after the credits

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I never got to fish there

deft sedge
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nope

glad lotus
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After you can occasionally fish in the boss area at least

frosty dagger
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Oh is the fish the same

deft sedge
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ye

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surface fish

frosty dagger
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I thought i missed out on exclusive fish at her garden

deft sedge
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nope

frosty dagger
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Ok

deft sedge
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it's all surface fish

proven sky
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I had one run where the fishing spot right behind the final boss was active and well he starts off looking in that direction... he said the fish was taunting him... 😂

deft sedge
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mhmm

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he does that

wicked creek
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yeah i got that, really fun lol

austere meteor
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Literally one has to do no-damage run

deft sedge
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the fresh-file is a thing

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but not sure about new to the game first attempt

wicked creek
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fresh file is ofc what i mean-

deft sedge
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in that case

deft sedge
# wicked creek fresh file is ofc what i mean-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKepf4jyn4o

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Hades Developers React to 25 Minute 'Fresh File' Speedrun

Hades is a game where the main character Zagreus tries to escape hell over and over. But speedrunner Vorime says "No thanks" and just does it in one try! So ride along with Supergiant Games' Amir Rao (Studio Director) and Greg Kasavin (Creative Director) as they watch and react to one of the coolest speedruns we've seen yet!

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wicked creek
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i saw that already

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i was curious

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i looked it up

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i found it

deft sedge
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then someone has done it hehe

wary fulcrum
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It's cool

keen storm
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Um wait is there any way to stop ||dusa from being fired||

open berry
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No

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Just keep playing, it is a story event that will get a resolution

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you will be unable to ||use dusa summon until she comes back|| though

keen storm
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Oh i missread that oops

deft sedge
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she needs it PeNsIvE

keen storm
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Well ||good thing i dont use that one anyways||

deft sedge
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but Fidi so cute

proven sky
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I'm finding that storyline a bit confusing so far

deft sedge
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how so

proven sky
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I've had a lot of conversations with || Dusa about how she was pressured by Nyx about doing her work properly, and under threat of being fired, and then I talked to Nyx and I'm sure I convinced her to back off and admit that Dusa was actually doing well and would not be fired, so I'd considered that thread resolved, and then in one of my recent runs Dusa is suddenly fired anyway||

deft sedge
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just keep talking & you'll understand ||why she was fired||

proven sky
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Alright

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It just seemed so out of the blue because I'd considered the matter resolved before

deft sedge
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there's stuff happening you're not aware of too y'know perrielleheh

proven sky
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I suppose so

deft sedge
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but just follow it to the end

wicked creek
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i haven't had dusa story progress in so long i maxed her like 10+ runs ago TwT

prime mulch
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She doesnt really do anything

atomic forge
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I wasted so many nectars on her for nothing

prime mulch
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Just take back the nectars

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😎

supple dagger
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what do you mean you wasted Nectar on our fave Gorgon of the House?

sacred cargo
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Wait

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Who gives

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The special things

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The pet thing hs

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Things

young spindle
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Woot, just completed the codex

prime mulch
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Gorgon of the house just roll down and die of nectar poisoning😎

rotund ether
random wren
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I wish we could meet some titans in game, like Kronos or Prometheus

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Or even speak to Ouranous

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We need to meet Daedalus too

open berry
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daedalus being just a vague background figure was a deliberate narrative choice made for the game

random wren
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hmm ok

sharp vortex
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So Zag won't ever learn to teleport? Is that something that's restricted to only Than. I like to hc that Zag gets his own special power like reading minds. Zag is all about second chances so I think that works with his domain of rebirth.

autumn tinsel
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zag does try his best at teleportation

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your dash is a teleport

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which is why you can dash through enemies and objects

solemn flax
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Iirc Than says he was a difficult child since he was able to teleport right after his birth. Just imagine Nyx‘ struggle haha

random wren
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this hurts my brain so much, is Dio really an olympian god?

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cause it says either Dio or hestia

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thats not a good answer

deft sedge
random wren
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does it state that in the Mythos, cause I'm reading it rn and I'm curious

deft sedge
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that is the mythology, yes

random wren
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well weird, Hestia let's Dio there, they are basically opposites XD

deft sedge
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Hestia is basically a pacifist

random wren
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yeah, but she also believes in order and all that

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while Dionysus is kinda crazy with the parties

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but I guess dionysus' coming was just an effect of her leaving

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well thanks

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Imma go eat fish sticks

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byeeee

deft sedge
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"Hestia is the Greek goddess of the hearth, one of the original Twelve Olympians. Cronus’ and Rhea’s first-born child, she was pure and peaceful. However, since she always had to stay at home, tending the fireplace, Hestia is not involved in many myths. Consequently, at a later stage, she would be replaced in the Pantheon with the much wilder Dionysus."

topaz lake
random wren
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so they didnt like hestia cause she was boring nolegs_derp

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damn

deft sedge
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she's the goddess of the home & the hearth

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not much use for that in the myths sadly

autumn tinsel
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hestia chill in the myths

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but in the game

deft sedge
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she's still chill

autumn tinsel
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boi that gun can work out some 4 digit numbers

deft sedge
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she only fought during the titan war after all

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no word from or about her since hehe

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just her aspect to give a glimpse of what the rail looked like in her hands

autumn tinsel
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idk bout you but she be snipin

turbid prism
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Awww. That portrait is more precious than any victory screen 😊

lament epoch
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what

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oh the ||family portrait||

wicked creek
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Didn't you beat the game yesterday/2 days ago?-

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But yeah I love it so much

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||zag holding the spear looks so good||

turbid prism
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I did. And I cant stop going by it and looking at it

queen plinth
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im not sure if its a story ask, but how can i discover rare fishies? just luck?

deft sedge
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the fish rarity in this game depends on how fast you reel in hehe

rocky yacht
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some common tips for that are rely on audio queues and that the 4th reel is guaranteed to be a fish

tribal ravine
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That's some hilarious level of memery going on

low tapir
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i bet poseidon always used the normal attack sequence instead of dash-striking

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smh

autumn tinsel
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probably never even dislodged his casts from his enemies

low tapir
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smh!

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i bet he thinks flurry jab is bad

sacred cargo
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what us dash striking

lament epoch
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dash striking is striking while dashing

turbid prism
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I liked Hades's line about Arthur's aspect. He likes the sword better with it on

lament epoch
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stygius just reminds him of poseidon

turbid prism
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Yea but he says something different with Arthur's aspect

lament epoch
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well i dont remember the dialogue

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i have horrible memory when it comes to game story

turbid prism
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He does call him an amateur but also commends Zag on making the sword not suck as much as When Poseidon wielded it

lament epoch
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yeah

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just like i said

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it reminds him of poseidon

turbid prism
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I just had that line but forgot about it

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Ugh. Anyway. It reminds him of Posseidon but he likes Excalibur

wicked creek
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for me he only commented about Arthur

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saying "i do not know or a king dead or alive with that name" or something like that

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though maybe he did comment on hating it before, and i just didn't remember

spiral saddle
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whats the line from artemis when you give her the invitation for epilogue??

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since its a mood i wish to put as a status

wicked creek
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i think it's too long for status

spiral saddle
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ill just take the bits i want :3

wicked creek
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invitation lines seems to be missing from wiki

somber estuary
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Goddess of the hearth gonna cremate somebody.

turbid prism
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Hestia?

somber estuary
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None other.

turbid prism
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I wish she was in the game as well 😔

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Aspect doesnt count

wicked creek
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Well there's probably good reason she does appear

somber estuary
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||She's busy keeping everyone warm during Demeter's wrath, and Helios is drunk.||

deft sedge
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hestia??

wicked creek
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i didn't even see the discussion i just had the idea and sent

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sowwy

warm summit
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i'm disgusted

zinc edge
vestal pagoda
warm summit
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you still wrong

vestal pagoda
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consensually of course

zinc edge
warm summit
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bro

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she's adorable

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and she helps around the house

zinc edge
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that's her job

warm summit
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i fit neither of those criteria

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what's your job then

zinc edge
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good thing|| nyx fired her||

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||can't believe i brought her back||

vestal pagoda
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im boutta swing on a mf

zinc edge
vestal pagoda
zinc edge
warm summit
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consider my limits broken

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CROSSLASH

random wren
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Just read a bit of Mythos, damn Hades really did steal Persephone

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But I think the way they dealt with the problem is better than the one in the game 😛

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6 months in the underworld, 6 months in the overworld

lament epoch
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yes

random wren
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It's funny how they gave Hades such a grim and edgy look, but he was so childish over getting the sea just to spite Poseidon XD

lament epoch
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that stupid fork of his

random wren
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you know how they settled who gets what after all?

lament epoch
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no

random wren
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Zeus took a saphire and some black gem, and switched them between his hands and made them choose randomly XD

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And Poseidon got the saphire

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I say, and probably quote, "Gods are such children"

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Zeus promised Hera during the wedding that he will never sleep with any other being in that world, then MF created the Humans and started sleeping with THEM??? Like bruuuuh!!!

deft sedge
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Hera is the godess of Marriage & Family

random wren
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Talk about life choices bruh_mike

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I knew i was talking crap when I said Greek Mythology is funny

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Helios mf saw Persephone get stolen and he just kept going on his way, mouth shut XD

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And then he goes "Well you didn't ask" DUUUUUDE XD

fringe rain
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I can't post the image here because there's no images allowed but there's a a bit a dialouge where zagreus is telling orpheus that his flaming feet burned hade's hands or fingers when he was born

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Wasn't that the same moment where he died

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How was Zagreus brought back

deft sedge
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just keep getting story

deft sedge
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it's an anti-spam feature from what I've gathered bunnygirlroll

fringe rain
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Oh I see makes sense

fringe rain
deft sedge
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there's so much story

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you have to keep going to get it all

fringe rain
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Yeah just finally beated him a few hours ago

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Now I'm just farming for sweet diamonds

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But I'll keep going if there's more story

deft sedge
fringe rain
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All on different heats?

deft sedge
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no, just in general

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you do get some extra lines for heats tho - and some side story dialogue is tied to certain heat

dark marlin
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Something I think about a lot is how lonely Zag must've been growing up

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like pretty much everyone around him he's expected to treat either as his superior or beneath him

spiral saddle
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yea and when he was a kid he didnt have much any social interaction outside of hypnos, meg, than and even then they all had jobs to do before he did

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(well not like he could have much but still)

dark marlin
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Tbh probably a reason he's so polite and respectful to everyone he meets, like he grew up surrounded by mercurial gods who could smite him at any moment for speaking out of turn

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Like, there's that one moment in the postgame subplot about Dusa getting fired where Nyx demands that Zagreus respect her authority on her decision, and the screen kinda shakes and it hit me then that as much as Nyx loves Zagreus, she is not a gentle motherly figure, she's, like... the primordial goddess of Night

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That whole plotline just made me sad, like literally everyone took her side because why wouldn't they, but still

twilit summit
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I'm pretty much reaching the point when I've seen every plotlines and lines and it makes me so sad

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In an industry where games come out regularly and I finish my games one after another, it's been so long since I've been genuinely sad to finish a story in a game

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This game was probably the best fun I had in years

sly marten
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to unlock the aspect of Rama, the "Unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu" means that u need to unlock by buying it with blood? or only discover?

atomic forge
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Just reveal it.

dusky vale
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Okay, I was trying to make a vaccine analogy and now I’m stuck on it: which item/keepsake is most like a vaccine? I’m leaning towards the evergreen acorn.

tidal obsidian
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I suppose in the biological sense I'd have to go with blood-filled vial

wicked creek
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Immunity..

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Uh... broken spearpoint?? Idfk that's one weird question lol

topaz raven
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Is anyone else just dying to be able to visit persephone's cottage again? That's something I wish we could still do after she comes home.

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no pun intended with the dying 😆

zinc edge
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ya

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it was a breath of fresh air

solemn flax
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I was checking the area behind her every time I got there. So much space, there has to be something! Not a single fish spawning there for me shadegrief

static acorn
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omg

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pat is the person that achilles was looking for

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mind blown

proud wasp
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how many times do you have t defeat hades to finish the story?

atomic forge
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10 times.

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Well, that gets you credits.

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After that, however long you want to spend, really.

proud wasp
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so 10 times for the main story then?

atomic forge
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There is an epilogue, after which the story mostly stops developing, but there's a LOT of dialogue.

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It will probably take you quite a while to exhaust everything.

radiant pagoda
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I just unlocked the ||prologue|| and man... The satisfaction... It's been a long journey

autumn tinsel
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epilogue* and yeah its pretty amazing

turbid prism
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Theres an entire plot line still going after the end

atomic forge
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Hey everyone, so I've blown past the credits too and am continuing to crawl towards the whole end

deft sedge
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Uhm

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Woooo

atomic forge
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Right now I've been giving nectar equally to everyone... is there a character to prioritize though?

deft sedge
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You need 6 olympians

atomic forge
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Like any recommendations on who to try first

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Yeah that'll take forever

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Was thinking to doing the 3 encounter quests first

lament epoch
atomic forge
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Basically this is me asking which favor is the easiest or most interesting

lament epoch
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and also||mom||

atomic forge
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Hmmm okay

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Thanks

lament epoch
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||moms keepsake will level up a random boon every 4 encounters||

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at max rank

atomic forge
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I have everyone at 3 nectar at this point

lament epoch
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get meg to max

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for her ||companion||

atomic forge
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Sounds good, thanks

lament epoch
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||then use ambrosia to level it up||

atomic forge
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So that's what they're for

lament epoch
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yes and they are the same thing as nectar

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the locked hearts can be filled with ||ambrosia||

atomic forge
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Gotcha

turbid prism
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I cant help to not give nectar to than

turbid prism
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Is Hermes included in the list of gods I need to raise my relationship with?

static acorn
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|| Time to feed my sister nectar ||

deft sedge
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Sister..

turbid prism
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huh. Hades hates lucifer. No wonder, he ruined reputation of all underworld rulers so now everyone things every king of the underworld must be evil

unreal mesa
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Well people feared Hades even before the beginning of Christianity. Not necessarily because they thought he's evil, but because they feared death and what awaits them in the afterlife

lament epoch
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cool

wicked creek
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i've always wondered how hades knows the word "hellish", or why it even exists in a world without heaven or hell. Although i think now that i think about it, zag calls elysium heaven "another day or night in heaven"

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although i don't think hades hates lucifer??

turbid prism
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I am curious how exactly all those other mythologies fit in with the larger world of Hades. Do they work regionally?

wicked creek
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well as i was told 4th aspects are all "not from greek mythology", obviously, so i'd assume either

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A- christianity is a myth in this world

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B- it doesn't exist at all (which i prefer)

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like infernal arms are some sort of interdimensional things

turbid prism
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I mean its not just christianity. From what I can see Rama is also a god, and Gilgamesh while not a god himself was a powerful person in the mesopotamian mythology so theres also Hinduism and the ancient mesopotamian pantheon

rocky yacht
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pretty sure the only christian figure in the aspects is lucifer lmao

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judging by how the characters react, its all in the same world but different times

wicked creek
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yeah i only gave one example, of christianity

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christinaitnit

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christinai

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christin

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christianity?

turbid prism
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you were correct the first time

wicked creek
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my auto correct does not enjoy it then

dire musk
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if we want to incorporate societal views King Arthur was pretty influential in a little thing called “the Church of England”

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Which may have had some effect on history as we know it

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So we can tally that for Christianity

turbid prism
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Story of king Arthur is much older than that. And it has alot of celtic folklore elements so there might have existed a pre-christian king arthur. Tho who knows

wicked creek
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mythology is weirdd and complicated TwT and of course there's never going to be something right or true in it

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so it's just a lot more complicated

warped lichen
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Hades won BAFTA for best narrative! pog

noble flame
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It was funny that the hostess then made a dialog choices joke... even though the winner pretty much had none 😂

wary yacht
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For a roguelite they do narrative alright

low tapir
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this steam discussion thread is so goddamn funny

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why'd it get locked 😔

open berry
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because the hades forum has higher standards than your usual fare of steam discussion forums

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it wasnt a productive topic and everyone said their piece, nothing was going to change with it

topaz lake
spiral saddle
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i-

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wh

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yea what the hell

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meg isnt zags sister

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meg isnt even related to anyone in the house?? besides maybe hades since the furies were born of the blood of the titans

wary schooner
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Quick question does anyone know / have ideas about how the characters age in the game
Bc Meg and Than mention knowing each other for way longer than either of them have known Zagreus, implying that they’re way older (makes sense in a mythological context since Than is the concept of death and meg was born from Titan blood), but the Cerberus portrait upgrade shows all of them together as toddlers. Plus than and zag are “childhood friends”.
Did meg and than just... stay toddler-sized for a long time and only started growing around the time when Zagreus came into the picture? How is it possible that they were all kids at the same time?

spiral saddle
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omfg now im just thinking of a baby than with his scythe getting souls for hades :3

open berry
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theres no canon ages

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only relative ages

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https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/ixri6b/we_are_supergiant_games_creators_of_hades_pyre/g68tos4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

"Does Zagreus have a canon age?"

No; the gods are deathless and immortal. Time means little to them. No telling how old he is. In human age, he appears to be a young man in his early 20s. We know the relative ages of characters. We know characters such as Megaera and Thanatos are older than Zagreus, for example. We know Hades is the eldest among his brothers Poseidon and Zeus, stuff like that.

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the cerberus portrait doesnt depict canon events either; if you look closely you'll see skelly's skull, and we know that skelly is introduced at the start of zag's escape attempts and no one else in the house knows who he is.

as for "childhood friends" i'm inclined to think this is more that thanatos was a close companion to zag as a young(er) godling, more than them growing up together or anything. through dialogue from other characters we know that the house functioned largely as it does during the game prior to zag's birth; hypnos still greeted shades, thanatos still reaped souls, and meg still punished those such as sisyphus

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iirc jen posted the cerb portrait on twitter for the big bad update so it may have just been a fun celebratory art they added thonk

sharp vortex
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I got this weird hc for how they see time in Hades. Hades tells Orpheus to find his voice within one hundred years. So in my theory they treat one hundred years as if it was one year. This helped me guess Zag's age. If he is "25" then he would be 2,500 years old.

wary schooner
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Good to know! Thanks for the thoughts I was so confused lol

burnt parrot
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How do I get ||Aphro and Dusa's bonded relationships? Ambrosia doesn't do it and I have 5 currently||

rotund ether
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|| For Aphro you need the bonds for Dusa, Meg and Than. I think Dusa's one had something to do with decorating the lounge and just talking to her ||

rough mason
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||Dusa’s one requires a dialog tree to trigger in the story so takes ages to complete after giving ambrosia ||

forest totem
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How do I deepen my relationship? I have a locked heart with two people can't give any more nectar or talk to them to advance

lament epoch
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hades wiki

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who are you talking about

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i know most of them

forest totem
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dusa and achilles

lament epoch
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max out pat and achilles, go into admin chambers, then buy the work order for 3 diamonds

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and for dusa you have to renovate the lounge

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just buy everything for the lounge until she talks to you

forest totem
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Ah right. atm I'm saving up diamonds for the infernal trove upgrade then I'll start buying for lounge

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might just go for the +55% reward build

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Oh yeah patroclus won't talk to me

lament epoch
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+55%?

forest totem
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his name comes up as ??? and I can't even gift him first nectar

lament epoch
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bruh

forest totem
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Yeah there's a boon that gives +55 shadow, coins and gems

lament epoch
#

oh

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poseidon

lament epoch
forest totem
#

It's happened for at least 5 now

lament epoch
#

yeah

atomic forge
#

Check the Codex to learn his name.

wicked creek
#

if you somehow still don't check his codex, you can still get it from achilles talking about him, which is like really unlikely to happen that early on since his dialogue pool is b i i ig

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or somehting

forest totem
#

Gotcha

steep nexus
#

Hmm to be honest how old does Zagreus appear to be?

wicked creek
#

in his 20-ies

wicked creek
steep nexus
#

Noice, thank you!

fringe rain
#

Is the codex written by Achilles?

solemn flax
#

yes

wicked creek
#

yeah he's the one who gave it to you, did you forget? :P

fringe rain
#

Yup

ruby monolith
#

wait how do you get more new dialogue with skelly? Ive already beaten the game but he doesnt say anything new anymore

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Ive unlocked the first statue tho

lament epoch
#

give him nectar

ruby monolith
#

ive basically maxed him out on nectar

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and ambrosia

lament epoch
#

then no more

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dummy

ruby monolith
#

really?

lament epoch
#

yeah

ruby monolith
lament epoch
#

is there supposed to be more?

ruby monolith
#

i hope

lament epoch
#

then no

ruby monolith
#

i never even found out his originnnnnnnnnnnn

lament epoch
#

his origin

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schelemeus

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have you talked about that with skelly

wicked creek
#

there can be some discussion that isn't related to bonds i think

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like who hired him, idk how to trigger that

lament epoch
#

you have to get closer with charon, skelly, and hermes, and then wear his lucky tooth and talk to hermes(i dont think you have to do this but i got the dialogue right after i did this) then when you go back to skelly you will get the dialogue

wicked creek
#

well for me it' sjust idle chatter

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i did all those like 50 runs ago-

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i'm at almost 100 rn lol

burnt thunder
#

I'm in the postgame and ||Persephone|| was talking to Dusa. She said "Dusa! Wonderful to know you! This House is immaculate! Night-and-day difference from before. Now I know exactly whom to compliment." I feel like calling something a Night-and-day difference might not come across as a compliment in the Underworld.

lament epoch
#

nah she just saying the house looks good

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and she probably says that because you cant tell when it is night or day

prime mulch
#

but we are the ones paying for stuff

low tapir
#

the sundial doesn't even help with that

lament epoch
#

yeah

prime mulch
#

wym, its 6 48

lament epoch
#

it is always 7:48

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????

#

HOW

prime mulch
deft sedge
#

technically both Zag & Hades pays for stuff since all Zag has is from ransacking his dad & killing his employees

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no wonder he's always so unhappy with the additions hehe

vale knot
#

Counterpoint: Dad's only expense is capes

spiral saddle
#

everything else just came with the job

neon hornet
#

Wait

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Where does the light come from in the garden

lament epoch
#

Idk

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Not the sun tho

low tapir
#

there's a bunch of weirdly coloured flames in tartarus

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ranging from green to blue

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that could just be light coming from some fire or something idk

tiny sequoia
#

Canonically it's ixion

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Ixion was bound to a fiery wheel forever as punishment and Hades mentions him as a light source a couple times

low tapir
#

"The Light of Ixion is bright enough"

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and also those things that are literally called "Light of Ixion" in charon wells

spiral saddle
#

i still fid the braid of atlas a strange item

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since like

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its just his hair

low tapir
#

how did they even get so much yarn

coral narwhal
#

I have been giving nectar/ambrosia as often as possible. I always have a supply. I am maxed out on mother, but I still can't give ambrosia to the Olympian gods. I am trying to get to Epilogue in the fewest runs possible. What am I doing wrong

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I've also been trying to fulfill as many prophecies as possible. After my first win I win about 90% of the time now...

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Oh... I need to beat it on heat 8?

autumn tinsel
#

No

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For lots of ambrosia, id recommend just pumping up heat to get bounties and going for the divine pairings prophecy

coral narwhal
#

I have plenty. Not enough to max all the companions, but plenty for building relationships

autumn tinsel
#

oh

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Do you not have enough nectar?

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Also for some Olympians, you need to complete their favors

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So for example, aphro requires you to have a bond with two of the three: dusa, meg, than

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Dio requires you to have lots of ambrosia

coral narwhal
#

This says you need heat 8

autumn tinsel
#

No

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You don't

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Check the above messages i sent

coral narwhal
#

I see them. I don't think I have done those "favors"

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I'll just keep pluggin away I guess

frigid kindle
#

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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joined the server again just to say OH MY GOD ||I DONT HAVE TO FIGHT HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME????||

neon hornet
#

I never really buy those powerups unless I am desperate

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I don’t keep much obals on me I tend to spend all I can before a boss fight and save up only before the final boss

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But now that I know what I am doing I might save up more on obals

frigid kindle
#

why was my 2nd message deleted? thought this channel was spoiler welcome? also spoiler tagged it just to be safe so idk

open berry
#

@frigid kindle evading swear filter. if you need to censor a swear to get around the bot, please don't use it peaceborb

frigid kindle
topaz lake
#

How do I get pat and achillies back together..... Pls.....

ruby axle
#

beat the main game first it'll happen naturally

ruby axle
deft sedge
topaz lake
deft sedge
#

There’s a lot of back & forth dialogue with Achilles & Patroclus too

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Then there’s a scene with Hades at some point

topaz lake
#

They haven't mentioned eachother to me I don't think

deft sedge
#

Well, Achilles has to talk about Patroclus to you

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And you gotta discover their shared past via that

#

And then you talk to Patroclus about stuff Achilles has said

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There’s a lot of back & forth dialogue

ivory spire
#

Remember to also show Achilles's keepsake to Pat

topaz lake
#

OK THAT'LL BE THE PROBLEM

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I've never used it

flat nebula
#

I dont think i ever did that

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I never used it either

deft sedge
#

I don’t remember doing that

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But he might’ve seen it in one of my lvling runs I suppose

topaz lake
ivory spire
#

I don't know if it's a hard requirement but it immediately begins the process of them talking through Zag

wicked creek
#

i suppose it can speed it up, but i never did it either

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if they're already talking about each other, there's no more need for it i guess

sand matrix
#

Hey there, I just gave Dusa her last 4 Ambrosia, then had a long chat sharing each others' feelings but the bond wasn't forged like every other last Ambrosia offering? Do I have to progress further to forge a bond with Dusa?

hollow flicker
#

Yep

wicked creek
#

it's just dialogue now, no more spending resources-

sand matrix
#

Ahh understood. That also affects bonding with Aphrodite if I get that correctly?

#

And Thanks, you two!

wicked creek
#

you can bond with aphrodite if you bond with the 3 charactes that you can romance, one of them being dusa

sand matrix
#

Ahh I get it. So Dusa remains :/

faint meadow
#

could sb give me a very non-spoilery hint or nudge as to what things i need to do in order to 1.) unlock the other legendary weapon aspects (already got guan yu)
and 2.) "deepening my relationship" with certain characters aka what to do after i cant give them any more nectar

(or will i just randomly run into these things as i progress?)

flat nebula
#

There is an explanation in this channel pins, its kinda spoilery tho

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But its brief

wicked creek
#

You probably will encounter them as you progress
For hidden aspects, ||someone needs to give you a wakening phrase for each of the 5 weapons. Won't say who just run into them a lot. Because they also have other things to say||
For bonds, to unlock a lock you need to complete a certain favor, unique to each character, which can be obvious and given through a prophecy or sometimes you just.. suddenly unlock it without realising you've gotten it

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Sorry if that was too spoilerey

faint meadow
#

ah no thats great!

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thanks 🙂

wicked creek
#

Actually for hidden aspects there's another requirement before ||being able to hear the wakening phrase||, and it is ||investing at least 5 titan blood into any aspects of said weapon||

faint meadow
#

ive already received a few of these prophecies (and i assume i progress with them by just having more conversations with said characters?)

faint meadow
#

bc i wouldve been very stingy with some weapons ||bc i wanted to see their legendary aspect first before investing titan blood into them||

deft sedge
#

I don’t invest until I can max an aspect

faint meadow
#

i guess ||guan yu is the exception?||

deft sedge
wicked creek
#

Yeah almost forgot

#

I think there's an extra requirement but only for fists

#

My Internet is dying

deft sedge
#

Ye, you have to talk to someone w them equipped

wicked creek
faint meadow
faint meadow
wicked creek
deft sedge
#

Not the fist

faint meadow
#

ohh the equipped thing is only for the fists?

wicked creek
#

Yeah

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Only fists require you to hear 2 things

faint meadow
#

ah gotcha
ty!

wicked creek
#

Once wearing them, then once with at least 5 titan blood invested

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And by the way you don't need to be using said weapon to hear a phrase

forest hearth
#

is there a youtube video showing what happens when you reject dusa in your bedroom?

#

it seems like i can't get her romance scene no matter what i do, and frankly i don't want to play anymore until something new comes out, i'm burned out basically Pepega

spiral saddle
forest hearth
#

ohh

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so it's not divided into 2 options?

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like go to her / tell her oof like than and meg?

open berry
#

no

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the only 2 options you get with her is choosing to take back the ambrosia you gave or or letting her keep it (neither choice is wrong)

forest hearth
#

i see

#

thanks

atomic forge
#

Alternately, how Tite Kubo described Ichigo and Rukia's relationship.

quaint cobalt
#

So, I noticed an unnoted behavior for the lampent plume: ||in the temple of styx, the smaller rooms do not count as encounters for the dodge, however, it does count towards upgrading the keepsake||

open berry
#

thats intended

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plume and butterfly only apply to the final tunnel rooms

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counting them for every room in a tunnel would make them too overpowered

atomic forge
#

imagine tho

open berry
#

the keepsakes could do with some clarifying that upgrading works as normal but the effect of the keepsakes themselves is different in styx for balance reasons

atomic forge
#

pom flower works in styx

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which is nice

open berry
#

well pom is different from plume/butterfly.

atomic forge
#

yeah ik

open berry
#

pom does not take effect each encounter like they do, it has a countdown

atomic forge
#

but it's still something that benefits from finishing rooms

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ye i get u

open berry
#

i think p much everything that goes by encounters works normally in styx except those two keepsakes. if theres something that doesnt i cant think of it offhand thonk

atomic forge
#

if you switch off pom you keep the upgrades right

open berry
#

yes

atomic forge
#

epik

quaint cobalt
# open berry thats intended

That's fair, but also the only rooms in that level that can be done quickly as far as I'm concerned lol (and also, again, not noted on the wiki page)

rocky yacht
#

just do the miniboss rooms lmao

open berry
#

its probably mentioned somewhere, just not where you expect thonk cant imagine we would go this long without it being brought up somewhere on the wiki

rocky yacht
#

they can be done quickly compared to the normal ones

quaint cobalt
#

It is, but it's a minor mention at the bottom

open berry
#

hm i'll look at it later

quaint cobalt
#

Either way, that would be a lovely thing to have a note of in game, because frankly, I was completely counting on those mini-encounters counting

open berry
#

for consistency, you would expect that yeah, but considering how quickly you can clear those rooms out its really not surprising they dont count. if you decide to clear through all 5 tunnels to boost the keepsakes, think of how much potential % you're adding to them

quaint cobalt
#

Well, not that it mattered

#

That was....the easiest boss fight.

#

Makes sense there's no victory screen for that particular run

atomic forge
#

if ur talking about cerb he's not a boss

rocky yacht
#

i think he reached the credits run

atomic forge
#

OOHHHHHHHH

#

right that makes sense

quaint cobalt
#

Yes, credits run

#

That's a good way to put it

#

Lowkey, ending was pretty predictable. Ironically, it was the keepsakes that gave it away

#

That and the codex

atomic forge
#

ok now get the real ending

quaint cobalt
#

I mean, there's still open threads, so not surprised there's more

#

But missing keepsake and codex entry, it makes it very obvious 😛

#

(to me at least, but I also have a habit of predicting plots well)

deft sedge
#

I just knew Greek mythology

atomic forge
#

I had a greek mythology book as a kid

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so the theme was not foreign to me

deft sedge
#

I had it in school

quaint cobalt
#

I'm new to greek mythology

deft sedge
#

Oooh

quaint cobalt
#

but it's a whole lot of patricide

atomic forge
#

it's pretty cool

deft sedge
#

Welcome to the madness - Hades is the family friendly PG edition

quaint cobalt
#

Lol yep

#

titans killed their father

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gods killed the titans

#

zeus has a prophesy that his son (lol, which one?) will kill him

deft sedge
#

That’s why he has so many

quaint cobalt
#

Nah, that's why he had to torture prometheus ThinkFall

#

to figure out which one

#

But of course he wouldn't tell

deft sedge
#

Different myths again

quaint cobalt
#

That's fair

deft sedge
#

One thing with mythology - never try to make sense of it

#

And there’s too many origin stories

quaint cobalt
#

I think my favorite story was... I forget the name.

#

The guy that killed medusa

atomic forge
#

perseus?

#

iirc

quaint cobalt
#

Yeah, him

#

accidently, unknowingly, and unitnentionally fulfills the prophesy about him killing his grandfather... at a sporting event 👍

#

after so much intentional patricide, accidental patricide is funny

wicked creek
#

I looked It up and foudn out that hercules is the one that killed the lernean non-bone hydra, which reminds me
Like
Why does hades hate him and where even is he
Shadow u like mythology pls help

vestal pagoda
#

hades hates him probably because he stole cerberus from hell and some other stuff im not too certain about

#

as for where he went he ascended to olympus after he died and is now a minor deity on olympus

wicked creek
#

He did what now

#

He did what

vestal pagoda
#

it was for one of his labors

rotund ore
#

In epilogue now. A run doesnt need to be successful or complete to progress storylines right?

#

Clear first room, die, proc next set of dialogue back at house?

stray wasp
vestal pagoda
#

id like to believe he just yoinked cerbie and bolted

atomic forge
stray wasp
#

Semantics

atomic forge
#

not rly, if you're referring to greek mythology then why not be accurate?

#

idk

stray wasp
#

You still know the person they're talking about right?

atomic forge
#

heracles I'm assuming

stray wasp
#

It's not like this is Jupiter/Zeus where the name is completely different

#

And most pop culture use the latin name for Heracles so people will know who he is by that name

atomic forge
#

I mean if that's what works for you

vestal pagoda
#

i mean they're the same person just with different names

#

you're being kinda pedantic

stray wasp
#

It's not "more correct" to use one name over the other

atomic forge
#

sure whatever

wicked creek
#

i've just known his name as hercules most of my life

atomic forge
#

so did I

#

there's even a kids movie about him

autumn tinsel
#

there are lots of movies about him lol

#

and they all use hercules as the name, so its common that most people will know him as that

wicked creek
#

i think i remember a game

quaint sandal
#

most people do know him as hercules yes

novel olive
vestal pagoda
#

interesting

clever ruin
#

I believe Hades doesn't think highly of him because he killed his family in a drunken stupor

#

Although I believe the other version is he was driven to madness by Hera.

atomic forge
#

That’s the story in the myths

sand matrix
#

While I chose to romance with Megaera, does anyone know what will happen if you choose to walk away from her?

vestal pagoda
#

Not much really

#

You guys just remain friends

atomic forge
#

romance everyone

sand matrix
#

I'm planning to, given that I can't do that with Dusa and I already did with Megs, Than is my only remaining option. Does Romancing with Megs affect Than? No?

#

I'm yet to give my last Ambrosia to Thanatosvolfredthink

wicked creek
#

doesn't affect negatively

atomic forge
#

just got some dialogue from nyx about persephone leaving for olympus, will she be back?

sand matrix
wicked creek
#

sometimes she's here, sometimes she's off

prime mulch
#

no she left you forever to suffer in hell squirtdevious

low tapir
#

for about 6 months that is

forest totem
#

damn I just got denied by mum. No more seeing her 😢

deft sedge
turbid prism
#

the conversation with Nyx will tell you to what zag wants

#

And Zagreus isnt known for listening to his parents

prime mulch
#

Yes zag is known for his beard

ruby monolith
#

nooo more surface

#

nooo more surface fish

#

nooo more surface mom!

#

noooo more calming music!

#

you been blocked

spiral saddle
#

I hate how accurate this is ^^

coral narwhal
#

So I can't believe it took me THIS long, but is Dusa suppose to be Medusa's head? Like after it got chopped off...?

wicked creek
#

according to wiki it's supposed to be a pun on "Maid-Dusa"

#

and the game never explicitly says anything about her being THE Medusa, but all signs point to it: she doesn't like talking about who she was before dying

coral narwhal
#

haha ok

obtuse bridge
#

lol

royal crypt
wicked creek
#

i mean we kinda kill our dad multiple times..

#

but cerby oh nonono!

green crypt
#

What if a fight with cerberus is more like a dangerous game of catch and rough housing

#

Like he's so powerful you literally couldn't kill them but the idea is to tire them out

#

Before they crush you by playing too hard

glass crow
#

About the Epilogue. ||Am I the only one that was kinda disappointed by it? it felt like it took forever to unlock due to having to awkwardly exhaust the dialogue pools till I met the requirements to send invitations. And then it just wound up being a 2 minute long cutscene of "Remember the plan Persephone summarized? we summarized it again and everything went smoothly :)" I was hoping it'd at least be like, a line or two from all of the gods, and getting to see Zagreus interact with them in some capacity at all. I know there are the post epilogue lines in other runs but. It felt like a whole lot of work for very little pay off, unlike getting Persephone to come back which was actually pretty rewarding||

spiral saddle
#

Saaaaame tho

#

I completely agree

atomic forge
#

I mean i feel like its not something a lot of users would get to

#

Im fine with it

#

It feels like its meant to be something was thrown in for the dedicated player rather than a main objective (like getting mom back)

#

Like a fun lil easter egg idk

prime mulch
#

You get a trophy

#

And post epilogue lines details what happened pretty deep

glass crow
# prime mulch And post epilogue lines details what happened pretty deep

(Prefacing this with the fact that I realize I'm definitely taking this a bit too seriously, I just can't seem to let it go. Sorry for being intense about it)
I mean, yeah I brought that up, it's just, weird to have them all talk to you about what you should have been at least partially there for. I get it's not really that big of a thing, it just was a bit of a let down after having to put 100 hours in to reach it. And narratively for it to just imply "This might not go over well" only for them to just be like "The gods showed up :) They were stunned, but then it was ok, and all was good :)" without getting any chance to see it save for one fleeting "haha, look Zeus and Hades are on moderately better terms now" just felt like a let down, considering how good the writing for everything else was up to that point, even if it was sparse.

deft sedge
#

I loved the epilogue, but I also figure I’m in the minority about that nyaShrug

I didn’t really expect more then just some narrated stuff over a dark screen like the numerous death msgs, so I was pleasantly surprised hehe

turbid prism
#

Zagreus does need to put in alot of work bonding with the gods and making sure everything is in order in preparation before the main event so it going smoothly is because of all the work you put in

#

Thats how I see it

#

Also the whole thing is Zeus's fault in the first place so he's obligated to play along and try to smooth things over as much as Hades

deft sedge
#

Yup

turbid prism
#

btw Zags job doesnt make sense to me. How would escaping decked out with mythical weapons and all those boons from the gods, help from the inside from certain characters and maybe even Hades himself using his call, help the security prepare for regular shades trying to escape?

deft sedge
lament epoch
deft sedge
#

And that ^

solemn flax
#

It‘s more about that the whole world knows zagreus is trying to escape with a lot of help from gods and stuff and still never makes it. Noone knows that Zagreus cannot escape the underworld forever. So the fact Zagreus is still trying and „appearently“ never making it out despite the help of the olympians makes the underworld escape proof. If zagreus cannot make it with all that help, then noone will escape the underworld.

median kiln
#

man I can't find achilles and patty's pact in the room

lament epoch
#

go to the back

#

look for a yellow blinking dot

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if you cant find it then go to the work orders

median kiln
#

oh

#

it was in work orders

#

thanks dude

#

the last two times there was a big bright exclaimation mark on the renovator

#

guess I missed it

lament epoch
#

np

green crypt
#

So satisfying getting them back together

#

I'm glad the game took a less tragic route for most of the characters

#

Most greek fables are like 'op you peeked straight to super hell'

lament epoch
royal crypt
#

but tbf hades is a huge game and the pandemic happened

#

so it probably ended up shorter than the devs wouldve preferred in a perfect world

#

it happens

lament epoch
royal crypt
#

yea

#

happens

#

maybe in a sequel or a dlc

#

still mad respect for the game overall

wicked creek
#

if there even is one lol

#

but yeah it was a bit disappointing too

#

i set that as my final goal for the game so it was annoying for me

green crypt
#

I mean for real they had gold even in early access which is so rare

wicked creek
#

i don't understand what you just said

rotund ore
#

im at max hearts with meg

lament epoch
#

nice

rotund ore
#

getting a visit from her in the room is just a matter of time?

lament epoch
#

yep

#

next run

rotund ore
#

thanks

lament epoch
#

is this what you have been waiting for

rotund ore
#

yay

lament epoch
#

bruh

rotund ore
#

that and uniting the 2 couples

rotund ore
#

NOPE no nightly visits

#

3 runs le

#

oh wells

lament epoch
#

lmao

#

get rejected

supple dagger
#

Did anyone ever bring up the idea that, assuming Zag really is unable to survive the mortal world majorly because his body's only ever known the Underworld, that someone or something could be crafted specifically for him to sustain it for longer periods, even if it didn't outright prevent "deaths"?

sharp vortex
#

@supple dagger yeah fans have thought of that before. Even in game, Persephone mentions that he can be on top of the river styx to stay alive.

wicked creek
#

i've heard theories that the reason he can't leave is that it's because he's dead, as Persephone even said that nobody knows if the dead can even live beyond the realm, after a discussion about eurydice almost leaving

supple dagger
sharp vortex
#

Exactly. That's the easiest answer

supple dagger
#

:3

wicked creek
#

DRINK THE RI V E R W A T E R

forest totem
#

I just finished 8 heat. WHat does skele statue do if anything

glass crow
#

I think it's just aesthetic and dialogue?
Also the prophecy

forest totem
#

prophecy?

glass crow
#

Have you not bought the Fated List of Minor Prophecies from the Contractor? you should. it gives you lots of rewards

open berry
#

its basically a trophy :)

forest totem
#

lol I only had 2 minutes 30 left to beat hades and 1 life I was so scared and then he just let me go

#

pog mommy is coming home

prime mulch
#

Congrats for ur 10th win

forest totem
#

ty

glass crow
forest totem
#

oh the desk yeah I got the 5 diamond reward

#

didn't know the name

glass crow
#

Ah yeah, the whole thing is the Fates make prophecies of what you'll do, aka "do these things for free stuff" squirtheh

forest totem
#

Just maxed dusa, who should I go next

prime mulch
#

Sisyphus

forest totem
#

Ty

fringe rain
#

Why can't Zag stay on the river to survive on the surface

dim sigil
#

He can....but then he’s stuck on Charon’s (likely stolen) boat. And probably has an angry god with a giant oar waiting for him at home.

low tapir
#

zagreus: hi-
than:

lethal iris
#

why does chiron just some weak ass centaur get an aspect

royal crypt
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chiron was an important figure

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he was mentor to a lot of heroes iirc

deft sedge
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Ye, he’s also a son of Cronus, so technically he’s Zeus/Poseidon/Hades(/Hestia/Demeter/Hera)’ half-sibling hehe

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He was also an instructor for Achilles coolcat

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Amongst other heroes

topaz raven
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110 clears and I cannot for the life of me unlock Hypnos or Poseidon's last heart (Ambrosia). I've gotten hypnos the autograph, I've caught loads of fish and cleared em3 for poseidon. Any hints/tips?

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Only two prophecy quests I have left are kill charon twice (waiting for his coin to show up again, beat him once), and the duo boon quest (missing 3-4 boons, one of which is a poseidon duo)

wicked creek
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em3 theseus doesn't matter for his bond either i don't think

topaz raven
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yea my last run i made sure to catch before i talked to him but he didn't want to chat

wicked creek
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just keep on doing it often

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tartarus fish, asphodel conch

topaz raven
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alrighty

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going for 32 heat and full completion on everything else before I hang my boots, so i've got time, I'm only at heat 12 right now (i rotate through all the weapons evenly)

wicked creek
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well bounties cap off at 20 so you're close, after 20 you can make the jump to 32 ;p

topaz raven
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ah nice

wicked creek
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i usually use fists (reached 19) but then i just picked bow/chiron (best heat 2) and did 32 heat 2nd try

topaz raven
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i have yet to play a cast build 110 runs in lol, I feel kinda stupid

wicked creek
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i'd suggest ares cast + artemis ares duo

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f u n

topaz raven
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fists are my favorite by far

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gun and bow are second

wicked creek
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and ofc anything that gives more casts and more cast dmg

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yeah it's funny how extremely short ranged is my favorite and hten 2nd favorite is super far range

open berry
wicked creek
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I have no idea what that last sentence means sorry

open berry
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theres a fishing prophecy

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its not related to unlocking poseidon heartlock

round basalt
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oh yeah

open berry
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the quest involves fishing at minimum 25 fish, one of which must be a legendary
poseidon affinity requires fishing at minimum 18 fish of any amount or variety, while also having a fish on hand

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i specify any variety because some people have taken the 18 to assume you need to find every fish in the game (there are 18 different kinds) but that is untrue, the game only checks how many total fish you've caught

wicked creek
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Oh that's what you mean

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I never even thought that so I didn't understand it sorry

open berry
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no apology needed

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fishing totals are cumulative, meaning that your fish totals will count no matter when you trigger the prophecy/affinity, so in that manner they are kinda linked? because you can do them at the same time. but theyre two separate chains of dialogue

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if that makes sense

meager cedar
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It might be like the Charon two-fer quest from Hermes. I only had to beat Charon once after getting it, since I'd beat him the time before

meager cedar
steep nexus
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if that could be an emoji

atomic forge
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I think it's great other than you posted it on the wrong channel

meager cedar
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I thought it was most appropriate for here, since this sums up Theseus' personality accurately.

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High-horse on the outside, deeply insecure on the inside.

steep nexus
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ooft

limber spindle
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Not sure if this is the right place for it but i was doing the extreme measures hades fight and i think i had suck a high damage output that it skipped the second phase of reinforcements ||switch version btw||

green crypt
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I mean it's pretty perfect

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Theseus is my guilty pleasure favorite character

random wren
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so whats the deal with Zag and Dionysus

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Mythology-wise

deft sedge
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Uhm

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At some point they were considered the same person

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Though Zagreus-as-Dionysus is the son of Zeus & Persephone

atomic forge
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In "mainstream" Greek mythology, Zagreus is a super obscure figure in some Orphic myths where they're thought to be the same person.

deft sedge
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And then there’s the ones where he is older then that

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It’s all origin stories really

sand matrix
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Doesn't Zag says that somewhere along the lines to Orpheus about that? About him and Dionysus to Orpheus??

frosty dagger
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They played it as a prank in universe as a homage to the real myth

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A prank that got out of hand dusa

glass crow
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Some part of me likes to think that Orpheus isn't actually that gullible he just likes playing so deeply into it
I just am not really sure whether they wrote him to actually be gullible or is just playing along and then not stopping cause it's funny zaglol

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Either way, Hymn to Zagreus is a gift

forest totem
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how do I reunite orpheus and euridice. I've talked to both of them so many times and I've unlocked admin chambers and got the task to reunite them with 2 ambrosia reward but she's gone to not talking anymore

glass crow
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Iirc you eventually get a dialogue with either Nyx or Achillies, pretty sure the former.

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basically, at some point you're directed to ask nyx for help and she tells you where to find the contract, which then appears in the contractor slot after you grab it from the administration chamber.

glass crow
# forest totem how do I reunite orpheus and euridice. I've talked to both of them so many times...

Hades wiki is a god send for this stuff cause I sometimes had no idea what I was supposed to do https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Orpheus


    Both Orpheus and Eurydice at a minimum of 5 hearts
    Access to the Administrative Chamber (purchased through the House Contractor)
    A conversation with Nyx (who must be at 5 hearts) about the Admin Chamber (which can also be triggered by starting Sisyphus' liberation quest)
    A conversation with Hades about Orpheus' contract (which requires Orpheus to have started singing again)
    A followup conversation with Nyx about Orpheus' sentence, in which she tells you the location of his file in the Admin Chamber

After finding the document in the Admin Chamber, speak to the House Contractor to purchase the Court Musician's Sentence for 3 Diamonds```
forest totem
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Ah I see I need to have them both at 5 hearts

glass crow
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Looks like you need Nyx at 5 as well

forest totem
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Yeah that's my only missing requirement

rotund ore
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Mfw court musician sentence is brought but 3 runs later still havent see euridice

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Pepehands

deft sedge
deft sedge
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You’ll get there

rotund ore
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i shall!

lilac pendant
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I remember reading about this at some point, but I forgot what I read. Why do Flame Wheels sound like cats again?

tiny sequoia
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because the big ones roar like lions

rotund ore
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omg their duet is awesome

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heartwarming

lilac pendant
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...but why lions... thanthink

errant sundial
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codex entry as written in the wiki mentions the fact that the land of Nemea (from which the big chariots hail) is best known for the lion that Heracles slew as part of his labours

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therefore, lion-like chariots

meager cedar
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I freed Sisyphus, and didn't see him in his chamber for like... ten runs.

royal crypt
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huh

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do you mean you didnt like get his chamber

meager cedar
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^^

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yeah, his chamber just wouldn't spawn

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I was concerned something was bugged.

deft sedge
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just rng at work

meager cedar
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indeed

green crypt
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Nah he took bouldy to get some mimosas on the beach

burnt thunder
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Is there anything keeping Persephone from visiting her dead dad?

open berry
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besides the fact its not part of the narrative? 0: the father is only ever mentioned offhandedly

burnt thunder
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Oh, yeah, It'd be extra cruft if they had him around.

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She just talks as if she never saw him again after he passed.

open berry
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given the office business environment of the underworld im sure were that a thing in the story its not as simple as just going and seeing someone, you probably need clearance for that

burnt thunder
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Zagreus doesn't seem to have a -... .Well. Zagreus is Zagreus.

open berry
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zag plays by his own rules lmao

burnt thunder
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Yeah. There's definitely a lot of his mother in him, but Persephone strikes me as the type that's less inclined towards rampaging.

atomic forge
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seph is a cutie

open berry
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gonna be honest i read that as sephiroth at first and not persephone

spiral saddle
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i mean sephiroth is too like ngl 👀

supple dagger
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I just remembered something from either DmC Devil May Cry or Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2. Was there a trio of "Gorgon Sisters" in one of those two games? Because I feel like they might be a variation (or borrow) of the Furies... somehow?

burnt thunder
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I know that Fate Grand Order has a trio of Gorgon sisters. But separate from the three Fates.

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I think it was... Stheno, Medusa, and some other one.

supple dagger
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The more I think about it, it might have been Castlevania 2. I remember Gabriel asking two of the sisters where Medusa was and then once you reached her, you were technically forced to fight a weird three-headed Gorgon Monster that, upon defeat, turned them into stone and gaining a hook.

burnt thunder
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Ah, Euryale is the third one

supple dagger
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But yeah, I brought it up because I definitely remember one always being "Medusa" and thought one of them was named "Alecto/Electo"

atomic forge
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yo

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I noticed

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tisyphone starts getting ur name right

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instead of saying murder

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well she still says murder but she also says ur name better and better over time

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I think thats pre cool

burnt thunder
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Yeah, I love it

supple dagger
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yeah! 😄

deft sedge
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Medusa had 2 “sisters” in some of the myths^^

”Homer spoke of a single Gorgon—a monster of the underworld. The later Greek poet Hesiod increased the number of Gorgons to three—Stheno (the Mighty), Euryale (the Far Springer), and Medusa (the Queen)—and made them the daughters of the sea god Phorcys and of his sister-wife Ceto. The Attic tradition regarded the Gorgon as a monster produced by Gaea, the personification of Earth, to aid her sons against the gods.”

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I believe we’ve got the Homer edition

wary schooner
# random wren so whats the deal with Zag and Dionysus

This video does a pretty good job explaining dionysus’s mythological history, and his connection to Zagreus https://youtu.be/5brAr51ip_k

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random wren
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Is this story specified in the Mythos book as well?

wary schooner
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The Stephen fry book???

random wren
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yup

wary schooner
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Idk never read it

random wren
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Ill read the book and if it doesnt say I will watch the video thanks 🙂

pearl oriole
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other than hermes, is there special final heart unlock required for aphro or arti>

open finch
atomic forge
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gotta romance them bingblush

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well u dont have to

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but why wouldn't you

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supergiant stans polyamory

open finch
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Polyamory is gud for your health :}

atomic forge
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good for zags health for sure

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the references are so subtle that kids won't get it yet so obvious that adults/older kids will

pearl oriole
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hmm ok i fulfil that requirement. i try on my next run

open finch
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Also Artemis' is just viewing a series of specific conversations-if you want to know the exact ones it's ||the ones with her and Callisto||

atomic forge
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lordskull if ever in doubt just double check the wiki, it's super reliable

pearl oriole
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ah right thanks

open finch
pearl oriole
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ah right

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so i probably need 1 or 2 more runs

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so close to finishing everyone.. then it's high heat hell

atomic forge
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just use the ez modifiers

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you'll be fine

pearl oriole
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wish we had the lookback option... cause i have to do a new save to relive the epic ending

atomic forge
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can probs watch it on yt dude

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but yeah if you wanna re-experience it that would mean a new save

winter nova
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Hey question

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How do I unlock the court music?

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So far orpheus has played kids songs for a couple of times and I have talked to both eurydice and Orpheus

wicked creek
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not sure what you entirely mean by that

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you can buy music for diamonds in the final contractor tab

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but that's just instrumental

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orpheus songs are just random and can happen anytime at random

deft sedge
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^

winter nova
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Nothing is there yet

wicked creek
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did you buy the music stand

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from the first tab

deft sedge
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And you unlock the music you can buy during runs

winter nova
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Wuts the music stand?

deft sedge
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Like ||In the blood||

winter nova
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No and no

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Idek wut that is

wicked creek
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it costs 1 diamond in the first tab

deft sedge
winter nova
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Ahh

wicked creek
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when you buy it, it's next toorpheus

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that's where you play the music you buy

winter nova
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Only music thing I bought was the harp for my room

wicked creek
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oh lol

winter nova
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Ye

deft sedge
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That’s an orphy quest

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Nothing more

winter nova
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Oki

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Do I have to buy the music stand first?

wicked creek
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yeah

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where else is the music gonna be played

winter nova
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Before the quest

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To get music

deft sedge
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Huh

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I don’t think there’s a quest for the music stand

winter nova
deft sedge
winter nova
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Oki

wicked creek
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you have to buy the stand, then you can buy music.. for the stand

deft sedge
winter nova
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Oki

pearl oriole
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how to unlock hypnos final heart

lament epoch
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i think that is part of it

wicked creek
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listen to them talk to each other

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not much to do other than that

deft sedge
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Lots of than & Hypnos convos

pearl oriole
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ok guess i ignored hypnos until very late.. they haven't progressed much

wicked creek
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rip

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another one is a discussion with you & than which will trigger other discussions with the 2 twins

lethal iris
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my hypnos is at 1 heart

elder sedge
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finally got to the epilogue

lethal iris
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i just learnt u can romance thanatos wtf

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meanwhile best guy achilles is taken

atomic forge
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yeah bro

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hot gay stuff bingus_cool 👉 👉

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than is sexy tho fr

lethal iris
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he not sexy at all

atomic forge
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idk man, I think ur wrong

lethal iris
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than needs to eat some more and get a tan