h1-story-discussion

[torpid vine]

Hermes took a while for me, and Demeter... but HYPNOS WAS MY BANE. No one blocked my friendship like Hypnos T.T

[grizzled siren]

the thing i notice is like

the most trouble comes from characters that require you to be at high hearts with other characters

like Aphrodite, Hypno,

maybe Sisyphus and Orpheus and Eurydice

Aphrodite is the worst out of all of them

only person to require you to be at max heart with 3 specific NPCs

[torpid vine]

I loved the love interests, so Aphro was singing my praises fairly early on xD

[thorny trail]

Gotta say the lore seems subtle but boy is there a lot to unpack.

[grizzled siren]

the true lore is the friends we made along the way

The truer lore is that Zagreus is a bottom

[torpid vine]

So much lore. So many delightful friendships.

[thorny trail]

Still can't wait to find out who Skelly works for. I have seen videos but just skipped em.

[grizzled siren]

Skelly works for the friends we made along the way

[torpid vine]

He's a sub. And that would have scandalised some Ancient Greeks xDD

[grizzled siren]

in fact that applies to every lore question

the answer is alwys "the friends we made along the way"

[thorny trail]

Always.

Friends are overpowered.

[storm river]

How do you reveal the Skelly employer?

[grizzled siren]

joking aside

[storm river]

I’m at max hearts with Charon, Hermes, and Skelly

[grizzled siren]

||talk to hermes with the luck tooth||

[thorny trail]

Hold em at fist point.

[grizzled siren]

spoiler is for you DYsphere

[storm river]

Ahh, I never use lucky tooth unless I’m low on DDs

[high mantle]

WTF

CHARON JUST TRIED TO PADDLE MY ASS

[torpid vine]

Friends are very overpowered

And kinky.

[high mantle]

this dude is powerful af why isnt he doing hades's work

[storm river]

He’s just following in the tradition of powerful shopkeepers

[fast idol]

he's only a ferryman

he doesn't do much

[torpid vine]

Charon is making investments.

[grizzled siren]

fun fact

Charon is a shopkeeper on the side

his real job is unboxing pokemon cards on youtube

[fast idol]

that explains all the money he has

[torpid vine]

Does he have any photobombing pets?

[fast idol]

Only if Hermes counts

[torpid vine]

Hermes isn't a pet! He's a beloved... business associate.

[onyx sierra]

They really made the story of hades and Persephone a lot happier in the game,

[zealous wind]

honestly they were relatively happy together in the mythology

[torpid vine]

Eeeeeh

[zealous wind]

far from great to begin with ofc

but as far as dating went in ancient greece, could've been far far worse

[torpid vine]

Well, yes, the standards are low.

[zealous wind]

Hades overall is pretty nice in comparison to say, Ares, or Zeus

[torpid vine]

Ares is a lot better tbh

[zealous wind]

by our standards it's bad

[torpid vine]

Ares > Hades by FAR

[zealous wind]

what are you on about?

[onyx sierra]

I’m reading the Greek myths rn lmao everyone hated ares

Bc he was a lil crybaby

[zealous wind]

everyone hated him

[torpid vine]

They did, but by modern standards, he's not so bad

[zealous wind]

Diomedes chased his ass from the battlefield

what

the embodiment of the worst aspects of war?

[torpid vine]

Ares killed his daughter's assailant, was put on trial for it even, and acquitted.

[zealous wind]

not so bad by our standards?

then again, he also actively encourages people to violently put an end to eachother in the most brutal way possivle

[torpid vine]

He's also the patron of the Amazons. He's passion-driven warfare and when he takes to the battlefield, it tends to be to avenge.

[zealous wind]

warfare is bad full stop

[torpid vine]

He's a coward who often loses in a lot of myths (particularly those with Athenian leanings)

Athena was the military aspects of war.

[zealous wind]

Athena was just strategy in general really

[torpid vine]

Athena was generalship, strategy and basically, war for the sake of winning ('Might is Right' is a strong creed to a lot of Ancient Greeks).

[zealous wind]

she was overall fairly nice to people however

[torpid vine]

No she wasn't

She was a raging misogynist in particular

[zealous wind]

Ariadne was probably her worst moment

[torpid vine]

Medusa

[storm river]

Arachne

[zealous wind]

My mistake yeh

[torpid vine]

And the whole fiasco with Agamemnon

Where she tells his son that only the father is his 'true parent' and he should kill his mother.

[zealous wind]

Medusa was because she was expected to punish Medusa and had no choice about it, so decided to make it impossible for medusa to be harmed in that way

none of the greek gods were perfect ofc not but Ares is one of the worst

[torpid vine]

Eh, she then tells Percy to cut off her head so Athena can weaponise it.

So no, it wasn't to protect Medusa.

It was because Medusa defiled her temple.

The 'to protect her' is a much more modern interpretation.

[prime mulch]

legit sounds like a digimon

[torpid vine]

... You're not wrong.

Terrible digimon, burns its daughter alive to win a war.

[zealous wind]

terrible guy

pretty much all ancient greek heroes are bad in some way

[torpid vine]

True enough. Though in most myths, Ares isn't some great big bloody-minded demon. He's there to be humiliated in a lot of stories with Athenian-bias. He likes fighting, yeah, but he's also someone who defends his children passionately, and he's not going around doing what Zeus, Hades and Poseidon do to women, so that's a plus.

[zealous wind]

From what I can tell, Hades kidnapped Persephone, and she has to return every 6 months due to eating 6 pomegranate seeds, the myth being used to explain the seasons as Demeter mourning the loss and celebrating the return of her daughter

he also stopped pirithous from in turn trying to also kidnap here, and had him and theseus tortured for all eternity (until theseus was freed by Heracles(

[torpid vine]

Yeah, he kidnaps (and... does more to) Persephone. He also takes Leuce. And Minthe, although Minthe thought she could become Queen and became boastful.

Persephone longs to return to her mother, and in the earliest versions that I know of, Hecate helps her to be reunited with Demeter. Persephone and Demeter were often worshipped as a pair.

[onyx sierra]

Well Dionysus is terrifying

[zealous wind]

yeah he is

[onyx sierra]

I’m horrified oh my 😂😂

[torpid vine]

Dionysus has A LOT of myths and yes, he's freaking terrifying. Though his frenzy-followers are especially so.

Still, he gets a lot of my upvotes for the whole Ariadne thing (screw you, Theseus).

[zealous wind]

Theseus definitely deserved getting tortured by Hades

[torpid vine]

Also, the number of pomegranate seeds varied. Some condemn Persephone for three months, some for four, some for six. Numbers are evil and we should not trust them.

[zealous wind]

true, it was half a guess because seasons

[grizzled siren]

i have also seen sources that say Persephone returned of her own free will because she loved Hades

[zealous wind]

autumn and winter when she's away, spring and summer when she's back

[torpid vine]

That's MUCH more modern, Dusa

People like to give more agency to Persephone than the Greeks tended to.

[grizzled siren]

y-you're much more modern

[zealous wind]

still, better than Zeus

not difficult to do

but better

[torpid vine]

Well, yes, that's... yeah

[zealous wind]

how does Poseidon match up then?

[torpid vine]

...

Medusa T.T

[zealous wind]

I know Hephaestus is pretty ok considering he doesn't seem to do much

just forge stuff

[torpid vine]

Heph does some interesting stuff. Hmm

Basically, Aphrodite is given to him because Zeus wants to avoid a fight... or because Heph threatened his mother until he got to take her.

Aphrodite doesn't get a choice at all.

[grizzled siren]

guys remember that part of Mythology where Zeus decided to have a laugh and give Zagreus trash boons? Then Zagreus retaliated by committing suicide.

classic story

[torpid vine]

So... she continues to sleep with Ares, whom she loves and who loves her. Then Heph catches the pair in the act and puts them on display for the rest of the Pantheon.

[zealous wind]

Pretty standard for ancient greek men I guess

[fallow sonnet]

How many total characters can Zag ||romance/do the dirty with? Is it 3?||

[torpid vine]

||Two||

||But you can have them both at the same time.||

[fallow sonnet]

||meg, thanatos, dusa i thought.||

[grizzled siren]

||Dusa also has a romance storyline but you can't do the dirty with the Gorgon head||

[torpid vine]

||Dusa isn't really interested in the sex part.||

[zealous wind]

||just platonic||

[mental thicket]

|| omg zag is a two-timer!? the scandal! ||

[torpid vine]

||Than and Meg can eventually be joined in a divine threesome.||

[mental thicket]

|| lets be honest tho, Dusa is too precious and embarassed to get down and dirty ||

[zealous wind]

|| Than and Meg are ok with it ||

[torpid vine]

||He's not a two-timer. He's polyamorous!||

[zealous wind]

|| she also is just a head||

[fallow sonnet]

||disappointed that zag will be bi, but not get a lil freaky-naughty with a disembodied head. :/ ||

[mental thicket]

|| these are the spoilers I come here for folks, thank you ||

[zealous wind]

anyhow, Aphrodite is pretty mean

[torpid vine]

||Dusa asks for things to cool down. Not Zag. Zag has some special interests that I just can't imagine Dusa sharing though.||

[zealous wind]

Poseidon is also pretty mean but I'm not sure how he matches up

[torpid vine]

Poseidon knows not the meaning of consent. Aphro just doesn't much care for people prettier than her.

[mental thicket]

very few of the gods understand the concept of consent

[torpid vine]

And in Athenian myths, Aphro gets... not the best portrayal.

[mental thicket]

if gods understood consent we wouldn't have half the mythology we do

[zealous wind]

Athens was crap in a lot of ways

[fallow sonnet]

Like 85% of the stories involving Zeus lack consent lol

[mental thicket]

^^^^

if zeus went to horny jail we'd have lost like 90% of greek mythology

[zealous wind]

for the better really

less stabbing

[torpid vine]

I dunno. There are a lot of horny gods.

[zealous wind]

true but like

Zeus takes that to an extreme

[torpid vine]

The wind was jealous of Apollo so he killed his boyfriend.

You don't need Zeus every time. xD

[zealous wind]

"Oh, I've dodged the prophecy that means one of my kids will kill me? Time to have as many kids as possible!"

[torpid vine]

And Aphro/Heph/Ares should just follow ||Zag's example with Meg and Than.|| Less humiliation all around.

[grizzled siren]

who would win in a fight

Zagreus or Dionysus

[mental thicket]

in Dionysus' eyes that's 2 v 1 and not fair

[tepid halo]

Dionysus kills Zagreus via alcohol poisoning in a drinking contest

[mental thicket]

booze reference high five

[fallow sonnet]

I think Dio would kill him over and over and get tired and go flee to some mountain orgy temple to hide.

[torpid vine]

Hades game Zag is very powerful but Dio is... he got to send a message. He probably wouldn't want to fight though. He's got better options.

[zealous wind]

Dionysus just gets like, 200 people stark raving mad to tear zag apart

[fallow sonnet]

*in trad mythology. In game Zag would murder tf out of Dio

[tepid halo]

Like, ordinary dudes?

[zealous wind]

in game probably

he can beat Hades

[tepid halo]

Cause Zag could take ordinary dudes.

[torpid vine]

In game, I imagine it'd stop al la ||Charon||

Dio would just call it and offer a toast.

[mental thicket]

if Dio cursed Zag to always be thirsty but never have it quenched || would that be why he needs both Than & Meg at once? :^) ||

[fallow sonnet]

"Zag baby, why are we even fighting? Let's get massages and more wine!"

[torpid vine]

I will say that Dionysus's followers were also some of the most terrifying. Superhumanly strong, frenzied, flesh-eaters.

[grizzled siren]

yearly reminder

[marble frost]

the bacchanalia, fun times 😄

[fallow sonnet]

Literal beasts in the sack.

[grizzled siren]

it was a follower of Dionysus that murdered Orpheus cus he sang too sadly

[zealous wind]

perfectly able to tear about Zag

[torpid vine]

Dio has some really, REALLY wild parties.

[mental thicket]

I mean, you can't party that hard for that long and not get a little weird/crazy

[torpid vine]

Although apparently Than is a bit of a mood-killer (heh) and isn't welcome. xDD

[fallow sonnet]

I thought it was 3 of dios acolytes who killed him for not giving one of them his heart? :( gotta go catch up on my greco-roman mythology

*proverbial heart. Cause he lost eury

[mental thicket]

between this game, and Lore Olympus, honestly, I'm just obsessed in general with catching up on greco-roman mythology

[torpid vine]

Probably both, given that there are SO MANY conflicting Dio-related myths.

[tepid halo]

Knowing greco-roman mythology you will find five different variations of the same story

And two of them will have been written after the 1500’s

[mental thicket]

a class on mythology is an option for my college gen-ed credits and I'm totally taking it

[fallow sonnet]

Losing eury was a good parable on faith I reckon

[torpid vine]

I kinda hate Lore Olympus. It's just not related to Greek myths enough for me. Too YA. But anything that gets you reading is good tbh.

[marble frost]

the french wikipedia says that Bacchanalia (Dionysus' parties) were "held in honor of Bacchus ; roman god of fury, drunkeness, and over the top-ing (most notably sexual)"

[torpid vine]

Bacchus is a tamer Dionysus. The Romans toned him down a bit xDD

[fallow sonnet]

Thats something I remember varying: orphe turning around cause he didnt hear her footsteps and was starting to doubt, and another version that was relayed to me said orphe turned around out of excited elation at almost making the gate with his love.

[tepid halo]

Romans skipped the part where he was a wild god of madness turning humans into his pikmin army

[torpid vine]

Yeah, a lot of myths have a lot of versions. Orphy messed up though~

[mental thicket]

I admit a guilty pleasure love of YA stories well into my 30s. I like it's general relation to greek mythology, but I do agree that it's very far from the real stories now. first few episodes implied at least a bit closer narrative but I take it as it is

[fallow sonnet]

Yup. Shoulda just followed the contract he made with a god.

[mental thicket]

I feel like especially Hades, it's worth following the contract

[fallow sonnet]

^^^

[mental thicket]

OH my bad

[torpid vine]

I ducked out once the author did what they did to Apollo. It was clear at that point the author didn't care about the myths beyond the one she was adapting (Thanatos and Hestia are pretty far from anything Greek) and her idea of modernising being 'make another dude her assaulter so she can be with this first dude' is a little bit gross to me.

[tepid halo]

Oh that’s a new one

[mental thicket]

I liked the apollo storyline only for the beneficial narrative I felt it could give to young readers on how to recognize and process that type of interaction......and sad to say, that is very rapidly bombing as well

the conversation is def for another section, time, place, etc - but the story is nowhere near where it was when I first started, so I 100% understand your displeasure with it

theres a lot of questionable choices happening

[torpid vine]

Yeah. Thankfully, and to take things back on topic, Hades has oodles of little things that make it out as made by people who actually like elements of the myths they're playing with.

[mental thicket]

the mythology aspects of Hades were a huge pull for me, so I've been really happy with the lore I've uncovered so far

[torpid vine]

They've obviously modernised some elements, but there are cool references all over the place and the characterisation has nuance. Even with minor characters.

[fallow sonnet]

^This.

None of the games plot felt like they retconned too much of the history we're all familiar with.

[tepid halo]

Just the nasty bits

[fallow sonnet]

Just enough to make the mechanics work

[mental thicket]

You can very much tell they changed what they felt they needed to

it wasn't just altered for the sake of altering it, or changed too excessively to modernize - it really feels like they kept it to what they felt was necessary

[fallow sonnet]

Im actually enjoying this game much, much more than i thought I would. Some of it is the crisp gameplay of course, but uncovering a tidbit or two of plot every run is incredibly rewarding.

[torpid vine]

And where they did change things, or come up against variances in myth, there are in-jokes. Like the whole Dionysus-Zagreus funtime.

[worn widget]

Dionysus is a madlad

[mental thicket]

I really love those little easter egg jokes, honestly

[fallow sonnet]

Animated shorts with the same voice actors & characters would be great.

[torpid vine]

I really liked how the game handled Ares and Hermes, who often get rather flat characterisation in other adaptations.

[tepid halo]

Dionysus: i told zagreus to start a cult by lying to orpheus and the madman actually did it lol

[worn widget]

The only thing actively toned down was the familial relationships between the Olympic Gods

[torpid vine]

Yeah, there are a few more adoptions. xD

[fallow sonnet]

I liked how Ares is a strapping young baldfaced warrior. Not the normal grizzled hades-like version that normally springs to mind.

[mental thicket]

^^ hard agree

[tepid halo]

I like how he’s incredibly polite, almost cordial, despite his domain

[worn widget]

Almost like he's a well-spoken military leader.

[torpid vine]

Ares is the Olympian with the strongest respect for the Chthonic. Well, besides Hermes, who is a psychopomp anyway.

[fallow sonnet]

I wouldve expected Ares to be basically Hades.

[zealous wind]

I like Hermes, seems fairly accurate as well as to what he is in actual mythology, or at least the impression

[worn widget]

I say it like it's obvious but it's really neat.

Yeah, I've heard similar about Hermes

Literally everywhere, is a psychopomp

[zealous wind]

I would've expected Ares to be a lot less polite, but it's nice to not be an exageration/stereotype

also a trickster

like he tricked his way into being an Olympian

[torpid vine]

Hermes is more than a speedy messenger. He's trade, he's a reaper, he's a trickster and his role in Hades speaks to all of that.

[zealous wind]

son of zeus as well

[tepid halo]

He’s an odd job god-

[thorn compass]

Among Us letter

[mental thicket]

the amount of people who whittle Hermes down to just "flying shoes" just...... heavy sigh

[torpid vine]

T.T

[zealous wind]

does pretty much everything needed that's not in someone else's domain

besides, without Hermes everything breaks down

[tepid halo]

The handyman of gods

[torpid vine]

Eh, sorta. I mean, Apollo still has more domains. xDD

[fallow sonnet]

Athena was pretty dead on, for some reason I always thought Artemis as more confident and kinda older.

Hermes was spot-on. 👌

[torpid vine]

Artemis and Apollo tend to be the 'eternally young' types.

[zealous wind]

true, still Hermes does a lot, and all of them are vastly important, hence why he's as marketable as he is

[torpid vine]

Marketable? The god of trade? What a shock xD

[zealous wind]

Yeah, I always thought Artemis was late teenage- age

and messengers and healing? it seems at least

[fallow sonnet]

Ares seems more like Apollo in my headcanon

[torpid vine]

I loved his ||association with Charon too, and how much he knows in comparison to the other Olympians.||

[zealous wind]

3 vastly important industries

he seems the type to hoard information

every message goes through him in some way anyhow

[fallow sonnet]

||Hermes also knew about persephone coming home before anyone else. And kept it mum like a real pal.||

[tepid halo]

...jrocket that reminds me of a character from catch 22

[zealous wind]

haven't read the book have watched the series, is it that guy part of the massive black market?

[tepid halo]

He sorted the mail but he was the most powerful person in the army cause he just threw away letters containing orders he didn’t like

Nah it was the guy who sorted the mail

[torpid vine]

Apollo is an inspiring god (muses funtime) so I'd expect him to be less composed than Ares xD

[fallow sonnet]

More like whayshisface that you fight with Asterius?

[torpid vine]

Theseus is just... king jock. Apollo is a theatre kid through and through.

[zealous wind]

Poseidon seems pretty on par I guess? idk much about Poseidon in myths, he seems fairly generic male greek god tbh

like aside from Zeus he just seems like the stereotype yknow

Apollo and Athena are the two breeds of theatre kid

[torpid vine]

I found Poseidon's portrayal interesting when it came to his own son, and his denial of that son.

[zealous wind]

"Fatherhood ended with Theseus, now Zagreus is my new son"

[torpid vine]

Lol

[zealous wind]

he was more important to the mycaneans wasn't he?

with more emphasis on being earthquake man

which is weird to me given how important the sea is but oh well

[tepid halo]

Dude was a cthonic god in that era

[torpid vine]

Yeah, but he was always pretty important. Greece has a lot of water.

I'd love to see what SGG did with Apollo. I've seen some great fan concepts.

Maybe as an Olympian who actually gets on with Artemis xDD

[high mantle]

yo, is the charon's fight random ?

like, when i get it, is it random i mean

[zealous wind]

I imagine Hephaestus would be pretty interested in the rail

or all the infernal arms for that matter

but the rail especially

[torpid vine]

There's a 22% chance in any shop that's not pre-boss.

Ares was interested in the Rail.

[zealous wind]

all of them were somewhat

[torpid vine]

Ares wanted it's seeeecrits~ xD

[zealous wind]

hell zeus even had the ||waking words|| for some reason

yknow, guan yu special with zeus is like a much weaker thunderbolt

[open finch]

||Mort|| does so much damage to Theseus it's crazy

[grizzled siren]

here is something to think about

if the aspects of the weapons are the past and future owners

how does that work? like

is ||Gilgamesh|| just goin around wielding bear arms

can he unlock the Zagreus aspect?

[prime mulch]

not rly, i think its mostly the infernal arms mimicking different prominent figures from the timeline, probably chaos have something to do with it

[tender mason]

I think the reasoning given in game is that zagreus had a closer bond with the arms than anyone else who wielded the weapons

And he also feeds them titan blood which is an incredible powerful resource

[fathom current]

Titan Blood doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that would exactly be as common as a pomegranate

...I still want to wrap my head around how Lucifer and Chaos exist within the same world but I feel like if I do I will implode.

Unless capital G is like, Zeus somehow, or Chaos made capital G, but...

[storm river]

Well, you get the Titan blood from the bosses

And going by greek mythology, those bosses are descended from the titans

[dusky pivot]

So I get a missing song from the court of the music.
It is Good Riddance. I do, already reunited both of them, and see them sing together, and sometimes oprhy sing it when I comeback from death. But I cannot buy it from the contractor? Can anyone give a clue how to obtain it? Thank you.

[fathom current]

I meant that I’m unsure how often King Arthur or Beowulf would be able to waltz in and just get Titan blood.

Referring to Zagreus being closer to the Infernal weps than any other wielder.

[potent meteor]

fun fact! since angels are bibilically drawn as ringed nightmare fuel, Lucifer was a sphere.

[fathom current]

snrk

...Does that mean that L Aspect Exagryph uses copies of Angels?

[potent meteor]

you mean the rings

[fathom current]

Lucifer’s Q fires orbs that pulse with rings.

[grizzled siren]

lemme guess. switch version?

[tropic oyster]

Ok

I just noticed Patroclus character portrait is no longer transparent after you reunite him with Achilles

I absolutely love small details like these

👌

Also I love what it implies

[grizzled siren]

it implies Patroclus is no longer transparent and hides his feelings. yes yes

[tropic oyster]

Not quite what I had in mind but lets go with that

[green elk]

I think what it means will be slightly different person to person. Like, it could represent that he feels whole again, or that he's no longer drinking the water and losing both himself, and his memories, or something else, or all of the previous.

I think Pat/Achilles's story was the best personally.

[storm river]

I still haven’t started their story, even though I got them both to the locked heart

Patroclus never shows in elysium

[tropic oyster]

Yeah

It took me while to get it done

Patty just refused to show up

Especially when I really needed that DD refresh...

[storm river]

And then when he shows, never when I’ve used up my DDs

So I always take the hydra lite or cyclops jerky instead

I like how Eurydice has to work to create her buffs, while Patroclus stumbles on them in elysium

[hybrid flame]

I seem to be stuck on Patroclus and Achilles locked hearts; is there something I need to do or is it more likely I just need to keep talking to nyx till zag brings them up?

[atomic forge]

Yeah talk to all of them whenever you can

[onyx sierra]

I got the than bed scene and now i cant sleep

[dusky pivot]

lemme guess. switch version?
@grizzled siren yes. Is it a bug? I already visit eurydice several times after I asked this :/

[grizzled siren]

yep

Good Riddance will not appear on the switch version

gotta wait for that update

[dusky pivot]

Ohhh okay then. I dont know if it is not available yet. Thank you.

[open tiger]

OOOOHO || I just unlocked Hades' heart :D ||

[fast idol]

noice

[mighty sparrow]

I completed Ares' favor and unlocked his gauge yesterday but didn't have the chance to give him Ambrosia after

and now his gauge is locked again even though the prophecy is completed 😐

I had the conversation where he mentions ||10000 kills|| and everything

just gotta hope I remember incorrectly and it wasn't actually unlocked yesterday

[tulip swallow]

i haven't reached the ending yet, though i've cleared a few times

but i was wondering, where did the game "end" before 1.0?

[fast idol]

depends on which iteration

When Early access first released the final stop was the Hydra fight

After that, the fight with the heroes was the final boss
and at the end after beating the final boss you just didn't have an end sequence, but funny ways of Zag dying after leaving the underworld, narrated by...the narrator

[jade slate]

we still have that

its just post epi now

with some extra bits referencing the

place

[pastel spear]

||i need 1 more bond with an olympian for epilogue and im at aphrodites locked heart. I have 1 more love interest i need to explore (thanatos), do i need to accept his love to unlock her heart or can i decline it and still unlock aphros heart||

epilogue question, i felt like its too far into the story for #h1-for-new-players

[fast idol]

Aphrodite unlocks once you had the interactions with all three, your answer and the outcome doesn't matter

[mighty sparrow]

bruh Zag just died out of boredom lmao

[normal kiln]

wait till he ||slips on a banana peel||

[marble frost]

Oh ! I had that happen once

[zealous wind]

@rich cave to get arthur ||you need to first unlock the guan yu aspect on your spear, which comes from a dialogue with achilles, at some point after nyx will give you access to arthur on the sword||

[languid girder]

you don't need to unlock it,

just need it revealed

also, there's a pin

...somewhere.

ah, it was in this channel, just took a second to load the first time for some reason

@rich cave sometimes you're dependent on the convo queue, so just have to keep doing runs until the requisite npc tells you what you need to know.

[jaunty crypt]

I like the story we have a lot to learn and it is really funny and interesting

also how charon just comes to destroy you when you rob him some money ??, I was with guan yu's spear and I didnt liked it lol

[mighty sparrow]

yeah Charon is a beast especially when you first fight him, his moveset is pretty basic overall but if you get caught you're screwed early on

[jaunty crypt]

yes

and with guan spear at 67 hp with a lot of hp boosts you just get destroyed

[jade slate]

yknow

i kinda wish there was a convo with hades for dying quickly in a short amount of time

post epilogue

because zag is obviously not ||living up to his job||

[mighty sparrow]

I swear I heard him say "back already?" before when I died before escaping Tartarus but I might be making that up

[jade slate]

he does say that yea

zag also says “i uh forgot something”

and hypnos comments on it too sometimes

but i mean a fullblown convo with a ! and everything

[jaunty crypt]

Dont know if I am the only one to feel that but the conv with persephone is shorter through numbers of time we finish no ?

like 5 times after you have less time than the first

[hybrid crown]

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[jaunty crypt]

and the death is even longer

[hybrid crown]

more Guan Yu and the aspect of Kalashnikov

[jaunty crypt]

loool

[jade slate]

exagryph aspect guan yu

[mighty sparrow]

I love Tisiphone's little storyline and also relieved that extreme measures doesn't interfere with it

[fathom tundra]

10 wins +Spoiler

||Something I think would be cool for future content. Say a god found out about everything, Demeter for example. And they launched an assault on the underworld. As your fighting out of the underworld, instead of fighting underworld minions you fight the minions of the god empowered by their effects. Such as chill. And when you reach the surface, fight that god as the final boss||

Just to give a little more variety to each run

[mighty sparrow]

that would be cool yes but then they'd have to make it so ||said god would no longer give you boons, plus it would kinda ruin the epilogue||

[fathom tundra]

Yeah, I was thinking it would really mess with boons lol. Although I haven’t finished everything yet myself. I think I’m 18 runs completed?

[mighty sparrow]

I'm at 30 something myself but ||the story doesn't really end after you get Persephone back, I haven't reached epilogue myself yet either||

[jaunty crypt]

but hermes already knows

[bright rose]

||could just make it as a challenge thing. All the gods agree to making things more interesting||

[mighty sparrow]

I just ||beat Charon and he gave me the loyalty card, how do I initiate a second fight?|| need it for the prophecy

oh or is it just ||2 fights in 2 different runs||

[fast idol]

ya the latter

[spring hinge]

Once got super lucky and almost no-hit ||Extreme Measures Hades Third Phase|| on my first run. I got hit by the ||pulse wave at the beginning of Phase 3||, but other than that, I took no hits.

Because of that, I beat ||16 heat|| on my first try on hell mode.

I haven't tried non-hell mode, how much easier is it in comparison?

[spring hinge]

Probably the only reason I could was cause I got ||Curse of Nausea|| in Tartarus.

[lone mica]

it took me like 120 runs but ||hypnos finally got his autograph||

[fathom tundra]

When you get that surface fish

[spice ice]

the hallmark of a truly successful run

[fast idol]

When that catch completes a codex entry

[distant bone]

||i just opened the lounge and oh my god the chef is so cuuuuuuuuute||

[fast idol]

all the semi-important NPC shades are adorable

[red grotto]

Guys, can you help me with Dusa storyline? ||I have completed main story line, maxed out relationship with Dusa, Meg and Than (and Meg and Than have visited me in my room already), but bond with Dusa does not appear and there are no dialogues with her that lead to it||

[fast idol]

did she visit you in your room?

[red grotto]

nope, that's what I am saying. ||Maxed out hearts with her but no bond was formed. She had a conflict with Nyx. I thought that when I resolve Nyx' and Chaos storyline and max out relationship with Nyx the conflict will be resolved. But nope. And now Dusa gives me her standard one liners about cleaning rafters.||

[fathom tundra]

@red grotto have you purchased lounge items?

[red grotto]

yep, did that quest long ago (that unlucks her last hearts I think)

[fast idol]

she'll pop into your room eventually

[red grotto]

hmm

and then the bond will appear?

I also have a problem with Ares - his last heart is locked. And I already had prophecy about killing 10k monsters fullfilled

[fast idol]

she will have a follow up conversation after her visit

same with Ares, at some point he'll come back to it and then open up

[rain totem]

How do I pass this locked heart for Meg?

[onyx sierra]

Wait till you see her in the lounge and give her ambrosia

[rain totem]

Tried, but there was no button or anything to give her ambrosia

I also had like 4 bottles of it too

[strong sentinel]

keep talking to her and clearing Tartarus in your runs

eventually Meg will ||appear in your room for a conversation. She does this twice. The second time she does so, heart unlocks.||

[small burrow]

I have all the ||romance character loyalties|| maxed but not getting favor unlocked with Aphro, am I missing something?

[strong sentinel]

re: aphro
||if you have bond forged with all the romance characters, keep talking to her; RNG can be bad sometimes||

[small burrow]

||I have dusa max loyalty but I don't see the bond forged on her keepsake, I guess I need more dialog?||

[strong sentinel]

||yeah that'd do it. dusa will have a dialogue where she offers to give back all the ambrosia; i think that's the big trigger for her bond-forged moment||

[small burrow]

ah okay, will keep going. Than kyou!!

[strong sentinel]

||actually nvm, i'm conflating two events; the ambrosia return event happens after bond forged but there's a scene with zag and dusa in zag's room that you need to see for bond forged. that's dependent on dusa RNG after full hearts||

[small burrow]

👍

[strong sentinel]

||then once you get that and assuming you have bond forged with meg and/or than, aphrodite's heart will unlock depending on her RNG||

[red grotto]

||Finally got progress with Dusa. Shame she decided not to stay in my room for a bit longer ))||

[supple dagger]

I missed an interesting subject matter that kinda brought back my idea that would expand past the main epilogue.

[tropic wasp]

question: does lambent plume take into account (and therefore adjusts to) any pacts of punishments? (also not sure where best to ask this)

[lunar kiln]

no

[tropic wasp]

so in other words it isn't good on high heat (hypothetically, as I'm not there yet by a long shot)

[mighty sparrow]

it's still useful if you can clear chambers fast

[tropic wasp]

Doesn't that get too hard with the pacts that add enemies and enemy health? But anyway, like I said, it's hypothetical for me. I'll find out when I get there I guess.

[mighty sparrow]

it isn't too hard to rack up some dodge % especially at the start

I mean there would obviously be a difference between 0 and 60 heat but by the time you can play high heat you'll probably be clearing chambers faster anyway

[cosmic condor]

Beat hades extra phase first try

💪

[open finch]

Tfw you beat EM1 Alecto with a Chaos boon preventing you from using attack

[marble frost]

so special 😉

[grizzled siren]

don't worry Egg. if you are anything like me you'll get that feeling on EM2 hydra

[open finch]

I dunno whether that scares me or excites me

[grizzled siren]

one time i got a super early chaos in elysium

took a attack curse because i thought for sure there was no way i'd ever get to the boss before it ended

i was wrong

[fast idol]

I had to fight a boss with only the bow special once

on Chiron

[mighty sparrow]

so I'm not imagining things right? the crowd in Elysium start chanting Zagreus after a couple fights?

[storm river]

Yeah, they do after you beat Asterius and the other guy

[mighty sparrow]

I think they also do it during the fight

I don't think they were doing it the first couple of times I fought them but I hear them do it now

[timid bison]

Has anyone been able to tick the west hall items with the contractor? I am missing something but has no items offered.

[torpid vine]

You gotta buy some of the columns for the main hall before certain things will unlock.

[timid bison]

I got everything from the main hall

[mighty sparrow]

Nyx question, I bought the ||gate at admin room and Nyx thanked me for it, told me she'd be going there now and disappeared. but that didn't mark the prophecy as complete and Chaos also didn't mention it at all when I next visited them.|| is that normal orr

[storm river]

||i think you have to see nyx in chaos for the prophecy to be fulfilled||

[zealous wind]

||that'd make sense||

||just take every chaos gate you can and use the e g g||

[mighty sparrow]

that does make sense but for the other ||2 prophecies where you unite people it gets completed soon as you buy the required item from the contractor||

[zealous wind]

true but then again it may take a while for Nyx to ||find Chaos potentially||

[languid girder]

|| Took me a couple runs after that. She said she was popping off, and then after a run or two I saw her in a chaos gate befdore finally talking to her when she got back. I think it aws about 3 runs, just popped it this morning ||

[mighty cloak]

This is from a year ago
But like
I take personal offense to this

[mighty sparrow]

I walked into the House and ||Meg and Dusa were gossiping in the lounge|| that's the cutest thing I've ever seen

[harsh sleet]

how did you find that >:O

[mighty cloak]

Magic

Finally, a worthy opponent
Our battle shall be legendary

[mighty cloak]

Yes

[mighty sparrow]

also I love how after a number of clears ||the narrator just runs out of stuff to make up about how Zag died, last one I got was "this was all a dream, a deadly nightmare" and he died|| lol

[mighty cloak]

There's also a bit where ||Hypnos asks for Asterius' signature (uwu ship machine go brrrr)|| and also ||If you give Hyp a buncha Nectars, he asks if you died on purpose just to give it to him and Zag says "I die everytime just to see you"|| and my heart is now just a bongo

[mighty sparrow]

I've gotten both lol Hypnos is kinda annoying but in a little brother kind of way

also apparently you can actually ||get Asterius' signature for him?|| I haven't had it happen yet though

[mighty cloak]

I love Hypnos ;-;

WAIT YOU CAN WHAT

[mighty sparrow]

I've read that it's possible but probably conversation RNG lol

[mighty cloak]

IF THIS LETS ME ROMANCE THE BOI I WILL DIE AS MANY TIMES AS NEED BE, GIMME THE FORMULA

[languid girder]

yeah I have it

you can do it

erm || the signature, no idea about romance ||

[mighty sparrow]

his gauge doesn't seem to have ||the romance arrow|| so I doubt you could

plus ||he's brothers with Than and being able to romance them both sounds like a bad idea||

[languid girder]

no || prophecy, gage, etc. or anything to it. Just convo ||

[mighty cloak]

I know, ||I just want Supergiant to lemme smooch da cleepy boi ;-;||

[languid girder]

faicr enough

[tepid halo]

Give him a garfield clock to help him stay awake

[mighty cloak]

I FINALLY BEAT ASTERIUS AND THESEUS

[hybrid crown]

why cant i attach images

[mighty cloak]

I nearly beat it, ||Though I just barely got nicked by the shockwave when Hades enters his second phase.||

Attempt 27, nearly successful

[open finch]

Than would probably not take it very well

[open berry]

this server doesn't do image attachments outside of fan works, to prevent spam

if you want to post an image you need to host it elsewhere and link it

[vital cairn]

/spoiler where dusa

[tulip swallow]

is the opportunity to fight ||charon|| really rare and/or locked behind a certain checkpoint in the story? i've done a ton of runs and never seen it

[open berry]

check the mid biome shops

it will never happen at the shop just before the boss room

[tulip swallow]

ah i see

is it still pretty rare to see regardless?

[open berry]

uhh i think i remember about 20% chance or so

dont quote me on that

[tulip swallow]

my luck is just bad then. i went 30+ runs without seeing athena once

[hybrid crown]

easy, memes are going up there

[open finch]

I saw a really cute piece of dialogue and I forgot to screenshot it

[open berry]

what was it

[open finch]

Than says Nyx had a hard time with him as a baby cuz he used to teleport all over :}

[marsh oasis]

even as a baby than just wanted to appear and disappear ominously

[open finch]

Angsty from birth

[marsh oasis]

god of death? more like god of angst

[open berry]

oh i think i have that but i also have like over 4k screenshots so i couldnt look for it rn since its buried

[drifting citrus]

tatz resident lore keeper

[marsh oasis]

this game has way too much dialogue to try and get pics of all of it so I wouldn't blame you for not looking

Zagreus is simply too kind to the underworld

but that just proves how lovable Zagreus is

[open berry]

theres over 20k lines of audio

aaand i remember somewhere saying its like 300k words? or something around that area

[open finch]

The only other piece that I wanted to screenshot and didn't because I'm smooth brained is the ||Hypnos and Meg|| mini-thing which was hilarious

At least I can always restart from the beginning

[open berry]

https://gyazo.com/0092faaed6c66ffc7c2c6b0893a13852 i do genuinely have over 4k screenshots though lmao its like 96% dialogue and 4% random stuff and sometimes things i was working on for wiki

[open finch]

I'd be concerned but I completely understand

[open berry]

its been a while since ive gone through them so i dont have a sense of where certain events where in my files

[open finch]

I don't think my laptop would be able to handle searching through 4,000 pics

[open berry]

oohhhh laptops lmao sometimes i wistfully think of how it would be nice to be on the go but not worth to me for gaming

if you scroll slowly you wont overload it :9 probably!

[winter echo]

oh to unlock the epilogue, do we have to keep escaping and giving more nectar to the olympians gods?

[storm river]

I don't think you necessarily have to escape but you do have to forge bonds with several olympians, yes

[winter echo]

oh ok!

thank you!

[thick burrow]

Okay so Dusa wants to give me back all the Ambrosia I gave her. What's the result of accepting or declining them? Other than getting them back I mean. Does it affect anything if I decline them or accept them?

[storm river]

she doesn't mind either way

no consequences

[prime mulch]

always accept offers from unsuspecting friendzones

[thick burrow]

So I'm trying to ||get all the Olympians to dinner and I just mentioned about asking Chaos to take part to, even though thats not in the prophecies. Should I talk to them or will it not matter if I talked to Chaos before talking to Mom & Dad to finish that mission.||

To add to this, ||I mentioned this to Chaos & they said they can't be there in person but they will be there in some way. Is this expanded on further or is this them basically saying 'nope, won't be there' and then I can just finish the mission without doing anything more. Like not equipping the Chaos shield or something?||

[fossil forge]

can i show y'all a little fan project i've been working on?

[marble frost]

in #fan-works then ?

[arctic root]

So I defeated Hades some time ago, but before that I vaguely heard of the heat system(Cause I wanted to see the animated trailer, well the trailer I didn't see it before I got the game) and a video had a screenshot of it. I didn't think i'd get it cause I have Godmode on. I feel like I should take off Godmode first before doing any of the heat stuff.

[fossil forge]

@marble frost thanks! I didn't know that was a channel, haha

[marble frost]

@arctic root if you feel like it. I kept god mode.

[open berry]

for the record all god mode does is give you a buff that adds extra dmg resistance. that's it. you aren't locked out of content, nothing is going to be affected by you having it on or off

if anything it's really just an additional way to tweak the difficulty

[tulip swallow]

i find it funny that all zag seemingly had to do was ||stand in the river next to persephone's home to have all the time he liked talking to her||

also ||the extra pillow added to hades' bed after persephone returns is a cute touch||

[north sundial]

The worst part is, @tulip swallow, that ||Persephone knew! She and Zag sat down on the boat, Zag goes "huh, I'm not dying yet." And she just nonchalantly says "Oh yeah it's because you're on the Styx now." Like BRUH you knew that and Zag would've been fine if he had a finger in the water or something? And you never told him???||

[mighty sparrow]

I'm really enjoying the ||back and forth banter between Zag and Hades during the last fight||

||"you wouldn't be here without Olympus"||
||"that's funny, you wouldn't be here without Olympus either"||
||"blast you, boy!"||
||"blast you right back!||

[north sundial]

Ahahahahahah that's great

[tulip swallow]

can asterius ||have the conversation about the fist's aspect during his fight with theseus? or only if you happen to come across him solo?||

||and if its the latter, is it guaranteed to give you the solo encounter with him if you're eligible for the convo, or will i need to hope and pray for it every run?||

[bright rose]

||just enter every boss room you can with a fist run and hope he makes mention of it.||

[arctic root]

So I have Chaos Aspect on the shield, and on the something run(not the 1st) I go into the Chaos hovel ||and he tells me he can see through the shield|| and so I would get ||a bit of voice from him.|| after defeating Atreus in his 1v1 chamber and I go to the Athena boon, ||Chaos laughs|| and im like ||what you laughing at?||

[eternal tree]

hypnos still has a locked heart on me even after 100 hours ||i mean,i don't think he ever has talked with thanatos so is it bugged ?||

[mighty sparrow]

just RNG is my guess, I had all of the convos except the one that unlocks his gauge and I'm about 84 hours in myself

[calm orchid]

do you think devs would release a patch that'll let us ||visit greece again after defeating hades 10x. like it could be a contractor upgrade for a disgusting amount of diamonds if they want to give it that exclusivity flavour|| bcs im dying. i just completed the main quest and fighting the way to the top is almost meaningless now that ||i cant see the sunrise again||

[normal kiln]

idk if they’ll do it but you’re not the only one asking

all i want is to ||watch a sunrise, water a plant, and die next to a pretty cottage||

is that too much to ask?

[calm orchid]

yessss 🥺 🥺 🥺
it's literally all i look forward to at the end of each run

[marble frost]

also fishing

[calm orchid]

yes! it was so distracting to be zipping about final boss and see a fishing point not too far away

[marble frost]

and the pressure ! "I gotta win this one so I can fish afterwards, if I die now I won't get... AUGH !"

[calm orchid]

yes! and then later it gets away and you're just like: everything is meaningless

[vagrant frost]

I just got a popup that indicated that I could gift another thing to Zeus (I assume Ambrosia?) What triggers that?

[dim willow]

Is there any chance to patch up the fishing spots by hades after ||the credits||? ||Since you dont come to Greece anymore and lose 2 potential fishing spots ||

[open kernel]

i've played over 70hours and completed the epilogue, and not once have I encountered a fishing spot in ||Chaos||. The odds of it showing up must be insane. And there are supposed to be 3 fishes there? Yikes

[lunar kiln]

it's about 7% last i checked

you can force fish to spawn in chaos if you have a skeletal lure and happen to find a chaos portal next chamber that isnt a chamber with fishing spots

in other words skeletal lure + lantern of ixion and cross your fingers

[karmic sail]

i think ur just a lil unlucky, ive seen a bunch of fish there with similar palytime

[mighty sparrow]

so, how many of these ||Zagreus death variants|| are in the game? I've gotten 41 clears as of just now which would mean I got the ||variants 31 times and all have been unique so far,|| that's kinda impressive

[round warren]

I have like 50h and found fish there once so yeah it's not super common

[mighty sparrow]

I've found a handful in 85 hours, I have 2 out of the 3 avaliable in the region

[round warren]

I'm trying to complete the ||fix up the lounge|| prophecy. I'm pretty sure I have all the necessary upgrades, even the more expensive ones, but it's not completing for me. Do I need to ||give Dusa more nectar until her locked heart shows up||?

[mighty sparrow]

probably, you can't really get ||someone's favor|| without before getting at the locked heart first

[round warren]

Gotcha, thanks

[grizzled siren]

@round warren to be sure. to get her favor you need to ||have the fated prophecy 'a place of revelry' unlocked, and you have to have fixed all the Cerberus damage and bought the first few lounge decorations. I got mine after buying the table chairs and rug. ||

[marble frost]

you need 12 unique upgrades

[outer orbit]

you need ||to repair cerbe's dmg, buy a rug and a bunch of other stuff||

[thick burrow]

Reposting since I don't think any responded.

So I'm trying to ||get all the Olympians to dinner and I just mentioned about asking Chaos to take part to, even though thats not in the prophecies. Should I talk to them or will it not matter if I talked to Chaos before talking to Mom & Dad to finish that mission.||

To add to this, ||I mentioned this to Chaos & they said they can't be there in person but they will be there in some way. Is this expanded on further or is this them basically saying 'nope, won't be there' and then I can just finish the mission without doing anything more. Like not equipping the Chaos shield or something?||

[marble frost]

@thick burrow it doesn't change a thing. It's just being polite.

since I saw your first posting and thought other people had answered

[indigo flare]

Nyx being a good mom? I smile. || Nyx tossing Dusa out of the house?!? I GUESS DAD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE DYING TONIGHT!!!||

[torpid vine]

Nyx is the best mom.

[indigo flare]

|| When Nyx tosses Best Girl™️ out of the house? HELL NAW!!! ||

||Sure, Dusa is for headpats, BUT STILL!!!||

[torpid vine]

Hehehe. ||I love Dusa... but I love Nyx more, so if Night Mother says Dusa gotta go, she gotta go.||

[indigo flare]

|| I didn't become a disobedient boy showing Father what for only for Childhood Mom, now Worst Mom (IF EVEN MOM AT ALL), to toss out Best Girl™️ ||

[tropic wasp]

I have a lovely wallscroll of Aphrodite now.. Is there one of Artemis?

[atomic forge]

No, but there are for Achilles and Dionysus.

[torpid vine]

||Meg is best. Dusa is awesome, great, love her... buuuuut Nyx is better and way more essential to the House. She also brought Zag back to life so... she wins.||

[indigo flare]

Now go excuse me while I proceed to go and repeatedly smash Dad's face into bloody Pulp until I figure out || what Worst Mom has to say for herself!!! ||

[torpid vine]

BEST MOM!

[tropic wasp]

I have Achilles.. But I RELLY want Artemis. Too bad. On a sidenote, I want a PVC figure of Nyx and a Nendoroid of Artemis.

[torpid vine]

Sadly you can't pick which gods with which to decorate your room.

[mighty sparrow]

I kinda found that weird because the hallway has multiple options for paintings but your room only has pre-selected ones

[storm river]

It’s how zag would choose to decorate his room

[torpid vine]

Yeah, the game's choice is mostly in its gameplay. Zagreus has a very strong, defined personality of his own. He wants the sexy party gods on his wall. And his beloved mentor.

[vivid eagle]

what if zagreus drops a chthonic companion in lava

[torpid vine]

It will find its way back. Those things are special.

[stray cloud]

Awww death himself gave me his mouse plushie

Also um, has anyone returned to the house and both mom, dad, and the goodest boys all missing?

[grizzled siren]

yes

I remember Zagreus commenting "where is everyone"

[cunning needle]

Does anyone know how to trigger the ||meg and thanatos simultaneous bedroom appearance|| scene? I already have had them both fully romanced since before 1.0 dropped.

[drifting citrus]

luck

[cunning needle]

it seems to have a very, very low chance of happening

[open berry]

yeah intermission scenes are rare

[prime mulch]

cant be too horny in hell

[hidden bison]

bonk Zag goes to horny hell

[open berry]

[stray cloud]

No offense but, zagerus trying to play the lyre the first time reallly hurt my ears

[atomic forge]

The very first time I tried playing the trumpet I suuuuucked.

The first time you start something it's going to be bad unless you're very very lucky.

[arctic root]

I did pretty well for the first time on the trumpet! But I was a flute player for more than 4 years so...

[atomic forge]

Very first (and only) wind instrument I played.

I eventually stopped making painful sounds.

Anyway, the above also applies to Zag.

[upbeat willow]

picking up another instrument (especially one in a similar/same family) once you've got experience in one is a completely different undertaking to picking one up from scratch

I sucked hard at playing the sax the first time I played it yes years ago

[eternal tree]

Waiiit

If i reach the epilogue it means i cant continue with character arcs ??

Or something like that ?

[atomic forge]

It never ends

[eternal tree]

No i know,its just that ive seen several times where people say they cant continue a character prophecy cus they did the epilogue or whatever

[clear oracle]

you will experience everything. although the epilogue arc might delay some conversations, but you will see i eventually.

[late plover]

Wow. Did not realize their is a bunch more stuff you can buy for decorations later

lovely

[tulip swallow]

the fact that i need 5 diamonds just to get ||orpheus to sing "in the blood" again is hurting me||

[fathom current]

"Perhaps it's from a time even before the Olympians rebelled against the Titans." -Achilles, about Lucifer's Aspect.

That's...another thought I hadn't considered. Would make sense for capital G to exist before Chaos. Then again, the other way around, as well...

[tulip swallow]

||i'm not sure myself, but from the dialog, it seems that chaos IS the big G. At least, they mention several times how everything came from chaos||

[fathom current]

You know, I was considering that thought as well, brushed it off, but...
I remembered what a Biblically Accurate Angel looked like.

[prime mulch]

wdym angels dont have big badonkers

[zealous wind]

what do you mean

[fathom current]

Since when did Chaos or God have-

I'm ngl I think I liked Tisiphone repeatedly saying murder more than hearing Tisihphone threateningly saying Zagreus

[mental meadow]

Finally got that danged ||Achilles|| contract! Now I can allow ||Nyx to see her parent||

[round warren]

I'm trying to complete the ||Sea-God's Spite|| prophecy. I've already ||beat EM3 Theseus but then I tried to talk to Poseidon and nothing happened. Do I need to beat him again for another chance at the dialogue to proc or just keep talking to Poseidon? ||

[hot shuttle]

i had to beat him twice for some reason

i talked to him on a seperate run also, might just have to try again and hope for rng

[charred finch]

If I've ||reunited Eurydice and Orpheus||, is it still possible to ||max out the relationship level with eurydice? So far they always seem to be together when I find her room with no option to give her nectar... is it just my bad luck and I need to find her alone?||

[fathom current]

||Orpheus still needs to come back to the house sometime||

[charred finch]

So it's still possible, thank you ;_; Past 6 runs I've had no luck so I thought maybe I'd played myself

[fathom current]

I think you can still gift Eurydice anyway...or can you not?

[charred finch]

No button prompt appears and pressing it anyway doesn't do anything

[fathom current]

Oof. Alright then yeah you need some RNGesus

[charred finch]

😩 Uh oh

[rocky dirge]

Just gotta keep talking to them

[fathom current]

...Do you think Hades complaining about an actually damaging attack as just “Splashing wine on [him]” because as an Olympian god it deals so little damage to him, or does he always have a splitting migraine when dealing with Shades, Employees and Zagreus?

[clever bay]

im so upset at a certain boss

idk how to wirte in spoilers

but its so annoying

😠

[marble frost]

use || on each side of your spoiler

||like so||

[clever bay]

||test||

||so i just got to the end and used all my resources all cooldowns for the phase 1 and its actually so upsetting when u do 40 min run and they cheese you with phase 2....||

[spice ice]

||does dusa get to come back after she gets fired? i miss her...||

[unreal dagger]

Yes

[outer orbit]

cleared the ||epilogue||

only 3 prophecies left to complete

as well as 3 achievements

[gleaming yew]

I just got the Aspect of ||Arthur|| an dI love it! Also just completed the game and I heard there is an epilogue

[outer orbit]

yeah, keep playing and you will get to it. Requirements are || improve your relationships with a few olympians, talk with zeus and demeter a few times, then follow the related prophecies||

[gleaming yew]

Thanks!

[fathom current]

Zagreus greeting a snake and then dying to it followed by a "No wait-" makes me think he learned something about snakes that time

[unreal dagger]

You'd think by now he learned a thing or two about lava

Haha you thought

[storm river]

The ending screens are hilarious

You’d think that he’d be a little more aware, after Eurydice

Like, shortly after ||defeating Hades in mortal combat||, his undoing is a rake

[unreal dagger]

Wait what about eurydice?

[gleaming yew]

||"What, really? HUH! So then your mom doesn't spend any time with you either! We've got somethin in common!"
Hypnos, Sir, do you need a hug?||

[storm river]

She was killed by a snake in Greek mythology

[unreal dagger]

Oh

I dont think zagreus knows that

[fathom current]

Still love Megaera’s “You did it, Zag”
when ||teaching Tisiphone how to say Zagreus||

[unreal dagger]

Since he's only spoken to them, about orpheus and his underworld trip to save her

[fathom current]

If there was some kind of out-of-game mini-comic or w/e, that has to be brought up somehow

[gleaming yew]

Zagreus knows

I got the dialogue where she said "ugh I was going about my day, poof I am on my way to the underworld, bla bla, how stupid is it that nymphs are mortal gods, bla bla killed by a snake bite

[cloud geode]

I would love hades side stories as comics
About the past of the characters and present shenenigans
Things we didn't see in canon

[torpid vine]

I'd love to see more Meg & Than interaction.

[cloud geode]

Or the furies' origin
Or what the three separeted couples do when they visit eachother
Or just the pre-canon, a whole comic series about the pre-canon pls 🥺

[outer orbit]

technically, pre-canon exists, it's called greek mythology

zagreus aside, it feels like the characters' hinted past is pretty much the actual mythology and not a revamped version

[cloud geode]

I want to see it related to Hades
Their version of greek mythology
Oh and also the 4th aspects wielders

[unreal dagger]

I completely forgot about this

I'm sad they don't go into details about their story or sisyphus like they do achiles and pat

[rocky dirge]

Achilles' and Patroclus' past is very directly related to their disposition, so it's more relevant to bring up

[outer orbit]

iirc from mythos, sysiphus ||basically cheated death one way or another and locked thanatos away, since there was a lack of death, ares noticed it and came to deliver him|| something like that

[rocky dirge]

With Sisyphus and Eurydice, you still get the relevant information, but what matters more is their relationships right now

[cloud geode]

Or what about literally what started it all
What prompted the whole ||Perse going away|| thing

[storm river]

Sisyphus never says he didn’t deserve his fate

Some time in the afterlife mellowed him out

[outer orbit]

@cloud geode spoiler tag the name, also iirc it is said at some point before the credit rolls

[shrewd peak]

I was just having my best run and ||Hades just let me go without a fight i wanted to shred him with my bow||

[open finch]

If anything he says the exact opposite

[open finch]

Omgee plz

[cloud geode]

Yes i know
But we can see it in comic form
The thing is that i know what happened to all the characters before the game
I just want to see it
Watch Patroclus die for what, the 4th time?

[torpid vine]

T.T

Nooo. I want happy Pat T.T

[cloud geode]

And see what the hell he and Achilles do
Do they really just... stand there and stare at the void
They don't even face eachother ._.
I know i know if you love someone you can also just enjoy their presence... but hmm

[storm river]

Maybe they’re more talkative when zag isn’t there

[open finch]

Zag kills the vibe confirmed I could see Patroclus going silent when anybody shows up near them

[topaz night]

Man I still find it absolutely amazing that Zagreus actually went and got the autograph from Asterius for Hypnos, and Asterius wrote it as a favor for Zagreus. It's all so cool

[cloud geode]

Is it a situation like walking in on your parents doing the do while they scramble to try and get in the least inappropriate position possible

Except they weren't doing the do but just acting lovey dovey

[gleaming yew]

-Be Theseus
-Comment on how easy it is to hide behind the Pillars in the arena to dodge attacks
-don't do anything about it

[torpid vine]

Well, EM3 T&A can destroy them.

[gleaming yew]

True true

but there is no spear involved there

Oh wait no I lied

[topaz night]

See now I'm imagining that phrase with the OTHER meaning of T&A

Though I guess that's just destroying them with body slams probably

or hip thrusts

[torpid vine]

... Oh lord. Now I just see Theseus in a Hooters shirt. xDD

[gleaming yew]

I can make that happen

[open finch]

I shall wait patiently

[gleaming yew]

and is theseus a waiter in this

or just someone who bought merch

[open finch]

The true moral dilemma of our day and age

I just thought of him buying the Hooters shirt cuz he thought it was Athena merch (the owl-hoot hoot) look i know I'm dumb ;^;

[gleaming yew]

WELL time to quit hades and get on that

[torpid vine]

xDDD

[gleaming yew]

*What do you mean to tell me fiend? This is not merchandise of the Godess Athena? QUIT YOUR POISONOUS LIES"

[torpid vine]

Oh, Theseus.

[open finch]

Theseus has 2 braincells and one is solely used for Asterius-what do you expect?

[torpid vine]

Asterius has custody of the braincells.

[gleaming yew]

@torpid vine @open finch it is done

he shall be revealed in about 30 seconds....

[open finch]

prepares wifi don't let me down

[gleaming yew]

check art

[unreal dagger]

Lmfao im crying at this

[topaz night]

Man. Hades is a jerk, but Demeter really feels outright sinister. She'd make for a heck of a villain in a sequel or something

[torpid vine]

Demeter is just grieving.

She's a mother whose daughter vanished, and she has no answers and nothing to comfort her.

[normal kiln]

the real villain in this game isn’t Hades, it’s Zeus

[gleaming yew]

Hades isn't a jerk

[dull spear]

ya zeus

freaking zeus

let the man flirt and run his game

y'know?

don't force your friend to date a girl

[topaz night]

Why is Zeus the villain? (though that doesn't necessarily surprised me, given, Zeus)

[open berry]

there really isnt anyone whos portrayed as a "villain." everyone is deeply flawed in their own way but never crosses over into villainous

[dull spear]

by taking her on a one wy trip to the underworld

[torpid vine]

Yes he is. He's such a jerk to Zag.

[normal kiln]

ye but let’s be real; it was all Zeus’ fault

[open berry]

i mean thats myth in general

[normal kiln]

truth

[open berry]

but the portrayal in hades i would disagree to the term villain

[dull spear]

ok but why is sisyphus there, like he's such a standup guy

[normal kiln]

fair

[gleaming yew]

He is a jerk to Zag, YES but I can def see it from his perspective as well

[dull spear]

a bouldy? what did bouldy do?

[torpid vine]

I don't think there is a villain in Hades.

Also, Sis did... many bad things. Including chaining up Thanatos for months.

[normal kiln]

yeah more seriously this game doesn’t have traditional villains

[dull spear]

i dunno, the sneak is quite a villain in my eyes

also those chariots

wretched villains

[normal kiln]

the sneak is just doing his job, trying his best

[torpid vine]

Hades is a jerk but he's not just a jerk. I do like that ||Zag doesn't just 'forgive' all Hades's cruelties and that Hades knows he has a lot to do.||

[gleaming yew]

That's more in the greek myth, he not only tricked thanatos and locked him away in a chest for over a month until the gods rescued him, he also deceived persephone, after planning an elaborate trick, who in her kindness let him return to the living world for 3 days

[topaz night]

I mean, it seems at least like the catalyst to the story has a lot to do with Hades being extremely harsh with Zag, as a fairly... generous interpretation. He may not be outright a villain but he has historically not been good to his son in a lot of ways

[gleaming yew]

And then he just lived a long and happy live

[dull spear]

interesting, ya i've been meaning to read about sisyphus' myth

i actually have been slamming nectar on them to get bouldy but it's still not happening, bouldy must be nectar drunk by now

[gleaming yew]

Plus he murdered all his guests for money while he was king

So he is a murderer, a breaker of oaths and has also made the gods looks stupid in more ways than one

[open berry]

its funny you add that at the end when thats pretty much the catalyst in the first place

[topaz night]

I guess Sisyphus has had a lot of time for regrets

[open berry]

that was the reason why thanatos was sent after hm lol

[gleaming yew]

I know lmao

I FORGOT

[torpid vine]

Sis has had a long time to reflect on his wrongdoing. Although Than does not have the best view of him.

[normal kiln]

making the gods look stupid is essentially the height of sin (from the god’s perspective lol)

[open berry]

though iirc there was another variation of the myth where zeus wanted him dealt with bc he nosed into zeus's affairs, unless im thinking of someone else goes to look

[normal kiln]

damnit ZEUS

[dull spear]

As far as the games interpretation goes, Hades' room is pretty telling. Did you guys see how spotless and neat that room is. He takes his job very seriously

[normal kiln]

it’s always his fault

[torpid vine]

As for Hades, his treatment of Zag is just... cruel. It fits with Hades being a severe and duty-focused god but Achilles was a better father and Nyx a better parent. Even so, Hades isn't just 'evil dad' in the game, there's more to him.

[open berry]

the biggest thing is definitely the guest thing because that was a huge no-no to break rules of hospitality

[prime mulch]

i never seen hades sleep, pointless bed

[normal kiln]

same with zag lol

[dull spear]

yo was it just me or after persephone comes back is his bed unmade

[normal kiln]

they just have beds for aesthetics ig?

[dull spear]

and before she arrives back his bed is perfectly made

giggity

[normal kiln]

haha that’s amazing

i didn’t even notice

[prime mulch]

looks the same to me

[dull spear]

i know for a fact there are additional items that must be persephones at the bottom of the bed

like a basket or something?

[torpid vine]

The hospitality rules are important but chaining DEATH is also no.

[prime mulch]

what

[normal kiln]

so did like, just no one die for a while

[prime mulch]

no they like forgot to die

[normal kiln]

while than was chained up

[torpid vine]

They just didn't die.

Eventually Ares got sick of that and went and freed Thanatos.

[normal kiln]

lol nice

[topaz night]

"Eventually Ares got sick of that" lmao

[torpid vine]

In the game, Than says that Ares is the only Olympian who treats him with any respect too.

[open berry]

its not. i just looked at screenshots.

[dull spear]

i have to double check

[topaz night]

I thought Than was just supposed to be the god of peaceful death? Like he's not in charge of people getting stabbed through the heart and whatnot

[torpid vine]

Than is death itself. However, he only psychopomps for peaceful deaths.

Otherwise you get his sisters, or Hermes, usually.

[dull spear]

dang what did you type to find a screenshot? i keep seeing zagreus' room @open berry

[open berry]

im literally just looking through my own screenshots

https://gyazo.com/060f3b70b3e4495e0d497471b54ff53e

[topaz night]

Hm, I see

[open berry]

the only thing that changed was a pillow got added

[dull spear]

aww mannn

the additional pillow must have thrown me off

still, giggity for the pillow

persephone kinda hot imo

[topaz night]

It's fun how Zagreus gets to romance the god of death and a torturer of faithless souls

[torpid vine]

Healthy, wholesome, happy, kinky polyamory~ No wonder Aphro is so pleased with him xD

[dull spear]

does he get to romance a fury?

[topaz night]

He gets to romance Megaera and Thanatos at the same time. ...and also a third romance at the same time except it ultimately doesn't go anywhere.

This is all completely consensual for everyone involved. And it's great

[open berry]

i mean its platonic, was always meant to be platonic

[topaz night]

Honestly even though I haven't reached it yet this stuff is part of the reason why I've gotta say Hades is already one of my favorite games

[open berry]

its not like dusa doesnt love zag, its just not on the same level as meg/than

[zealous wind]

in the same way is more apt I suppose

[normal kiln]

well, not in the same way

yeah

[torpid vine]

Yeah. Dusa does love Zag, but it's one form of love. Than and Meg display another form of love.

[open berry]

yeah the romance options are all supposed to represent different forms of love

[marble frost]

there are like at least seven forms of love

and you get 6 plushies.

so who's the 7th ?

[torpid vine]

Nyx, who made them all~

[zealous wind]

it's weird because they all have the same surrogate/literal mother, and than and meg are wayyyy older than zag

[open berry]

nyx isnt meg's mother?? in any regard?

[torpid vine]

They're all immortal, and Nyx seems to raise any child left near her.

[zealous wind]

time is more relative to gods I suppose but still

as above yeah

[marble frost]

family's complicated. I have "small cousins" older than me and "big cousins" younger.

[torpid vine]

Nyx raised Meg and her sisters. She's their foster mother. Same as she is with Zag.

[prime mulch]

woah there almost misread that

[open berry]

not according to greg https://twitter.com/kasavin/status/1312893491370881025

Greg Kasavin (@kasavin)

@aphneiios I don’t see how someone who played Hades could conclude Meg is Zagreus’ foster sister. There is no evidence in the game to support that. Nyx is Meg’s boss and advisor.

Twitter · Oct 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

[topaz night]

Zag is just friend (and/or family and/or lover) to all living and unliving things, seemingly

[torpid vine]

Tatz, Nyx raised Meg... just differently to how she raised her own kids and differently to how she raised Zag. Zag and Than both call her mother, but 'they always knew they were not related'

[open berry]

nyx is seen as a mother figure in general

shes mother night

[zealous wind]

Meg clearly confides in Nyx anyhow

[marble frost]

wouldn't you ?

[open berry]

shes an immortal primordial being, that doesnt inherently equate to foster children

[prime mulch]

no

[dull spear]

i would confide everything into nyx

and let her put me to night night

[torpid vine]

Yeah. She basically just raises any kid left near her... but there's an intentional divide to how she raises the likes of Zag and Meg to how she raises Thanatos. At least, that's what I got from what Greg said.

[prime mulch]

nyx sell my secrets to the fates, big privacy and concerns here

[open berry]

nyx's relation to meg is just her boss

[torpid vine]

Meg, Than, and Zag do not consider themselves related in ANY way.

[zealous wind]

ehh maybe not with Zag, appearances had to be made in regards to how he was raised

[marble frost]

I like Alecto & Tisiphone too, they're fun.

both in their own way

[dull spear]

alecto is the hottest one

[marble frost]

not that I would confide in any of these two 😛

contrary to mother Nyx

[prime mulch]

disappointed we can romance meg but not Alecto

[torpid vine]

Greg states that Than and Zag always knew they weren't related, despite them both seeing Nyx as a mother.

[zealous wind]

what did Alecto do to get banned from the house anyhow?

[torpid vine]

And Alecto is not interested in the Trash God.

[dull spear]

i thought trash god was just a pet name

[zealous wind]

Alecto is... something else to say the least

nope she hates him

[marble frost]

have you seen the way she acts ? the way she speaks ?

[storm river]

It’s because he eats food left on the floor

[torpid vine]

She doesn't like that Zag is a masochist. He's not supposed to enjoy it! xDD

[dull spear]

yes

[prime mulch]

stranger is incredibly opposed yo this ship

[marble frost]

I'd ban her from my house, if I had one 😛

[marble frost]

^ he's right, you know ?

[torpid vine]

MegZagThan forever! xDD

[atomic forge]

well he's not a cenobite either

[torpid vine]

He is a masochist though. Not quite as much as Skelly, but who is? xDD

[dull spear]

skelly peak masochism

skelly the yoda of masochism,

[topaz night]

This confuses me, because some of the dialogue implies Zag didn't always realize that Nyx wasn't actually his... idk if biological is the right term for gods, but that she wasn't responsible for bringing them into being.

[prime mulch]

skelly is just suicidal

[open berry]

zag still says later he always knew tho

[marble frost]

skelly is paid for a job.

[zealous wind]

Skelly I think due to a lack of nervous system, does not feel pain

[prime mulch]

turns out darth hades is his father nooooo

[torpid vine]

Divine parenthood can be weird. Aphrodite was born of foam. Zag might have just thought that Nyx made him in some weird way.

[unreal dagger]

I mena hes already dead, whats there to lose

[zealous wind]

the foam came from Uranus's, well, testicles

[torpid vine]

Yep, because weird.

[zealous wind]

she has another origin doesn't she?

[red bough]

wasn’t athena made out of zeus skull

[prime mulch]

this aounds like an extended versionof the last supper

[zealous wind]

well Athena is the child of Zeus and a nymph he absorbed because if he had kids with her the second one was prophecised to kill zeus

[torpid vine]

Zeus ate his wife to stop her giving birth to anyone better than him. Athena was then born from his forehead. Athena and Zeus both consider her motherless.

[zealous wind]

classic Zeus

[torpid vine]

Athena is Zeus's favourite kid.

[zealous wind]

it's evident

[red bough]

vore

[zealous wind]

well, not exactly, more metaphysical from what I've gathered compared to full on eating

[torpid vine]

I mean... his daddy ate all his siblings.

[zealous wind]

yep

[open berry]

i think its just a little inherently weird we accept the wacky circumstances of immortal parentage without batting an eye but get anal over labeling them with mortal style relations

[prime mulch]

imagine if a baby popped out of your forehead

[torpid vine]

But yeah, I can believe that Zag somehow knew he wasn't related to Than, Hypnos, Charon, Moros, Nemesis, the Fates etc. Man, Nyx does have a lot of kids.

[zealous wind]

the siblings were fine tho

on her own as well

[torpid vine]

Thanatos has never even met Nemesis.

[prime mulch]

then technically everyone is chaos children

[zealous wind]

age gap

well more like creations

[dull spear]

grandaddy chaos

here to put a wrench into things

[torpid vine]

Hmm... Is Zag the youngest character in Hades?

[zealous wind]

almost certainly

[prime mulch]

id like to think dusa is younger but idk

[zealous wind]

well you have to consider time before entering the underworld

and time outside of the house

[prime mulch]

its 7:48

[zealous wind]

he's definitely the youngest god

oh cool

[torpid vine]

Dusa would likely be older given that the guy who cut off her head was the granddad of Herakles, who is referenced by Zag as an idol.

[dull spear]

omg

i just put that together

that dusa is medusa's head

LOL

[torpid vine]

xDDD

[prime mulch]

damn someones got a revelation today

[torpid vine]

She's a Maid... Dusa. Maid-Dusa. Medusa? xD

[prime mulch]

whats next? ares cheating with aphro? damn

[dull spear]

she was so terrifying in the real world and now in the underworld she's a dork

[zealous wind]

do we know if she's the medusa? medusa is one of the gorgon sisters right? and background check says she's not one of them...

[open berry]

reminder that aphrodite was, depending on myth, married off by either zeus or hera lol. it wasnt exactly her choice

[zealous wind]

well it's not cheating on Aphro if it's an affair with Aphro to start with

[dull spear]

that is so zeus

[torpid vine]

Yeah. Might as well keep getting it on with a guy who loves her.

[prime mulch]

zag not having dusa as a petrify weapon at ready is a crime to god of war

[zealous wind]

because Aphro is married to Haephastus

[torpid vine]

Or both. They are Greek Gods.

[zealous wind]

yeah

[torpid vine]

Ares also displays an interest in Thanatos and a greater interest in Nyx. He's pretty respectful actually. Yay, more polyamory xDD

[prime mulch]

zeus shown most interest in nyx

[zealous wind]

Zeus shows interest in everything

[torpid vine]

I take it you've not got to the Ares-Nyx flirtation-through-Zag convos?

[atomic forge]

The thing is, Ares doesn't get Than at all.

[torpid vine]

Zag is so awkward and sulky.

[zealous wind]

I feel sorry for Zag really

[atomic forge]

Than doesn't deal with violent deaths, so every time Ares reaches out he's putting him off really badly.

[zealous wind]

his vaguely cool but probably semi evil cousin is flirting with his surrogate mum

[torpid vine]

Actually, Than says Ares is the only Olympian who treats him with any respect.

[zealous wind]

with him as a courier

[unreal dagger]

Yeah than is the peaceful version of death

[zealous wind]

he's like Hermes but for the underworld

not as fast I guess

[unreal dagger]

Hermes is fast, than can teleport

[zealous wind]

Teleport has limits tho

[open berry]

just because ares doesnt inherently understand peace doesnt mean he doesnt respect than. hes clearly cordial

[torpid vine]

Both probably can. Also, I'd put money on Hermes, especially given his relationship with money.

[prime mulch]

i mean bouldy can teleport too, so

[unreal dagger]

Nothing has limits in the underworld

[zealous wind]

and apparently Than could do it from birth which reminds me of the baby from the incredible

yes they do?

[unreal dagger]

Lmfao, his relationship with "money"

[torpid vine]

xDD

[zealous wind]

Hermes is god of wads of cash

[torpid vine]

Well, he is the god of trade.

Although that was not the only implication xDD

[zealous wind]

He has tonnes of bling on underneath his clothes

[unreal dagger]

Hes so fast he can shoplift charon and charon wont notics

[zealous wind]

he wouldn't though

[unreal dagger]

Can we get this as a boon?!?!?!?

Zag would

[torpid vine]

He'd never do that to his business associate. They're in this together!

[prime mulch]

hermes giving a penniless trash god 10 obols per room true story

[zealous wind]

Hermes would make a "helping people out because I'm a good person!" youtube video

[prime mulch]

no its basically a fake tiktok

[torpid vine]

Nah, he keeps his activities on the downlow.

He doesn't want people to know he's helping. He even ||faked meeting Zag for the first time in the Epilogue.|| I wish we could have seen that xDD

[zealous wind]

that would have been hilarious

[unreal dagger]

Someone edit hermes face in that keemstar video "fast af boiiiii"

[zealous wind]

I still need to get to the epilogue, slowly getting bonds with all the gods

[torpid vine]

BEFRIEND EVERYONE~

[prime mulch]

since they all trapped in there for a long time i just want to see them chat in basically quarantine in the underworld

[zealous wind]

Zag is god of friendship

you will be in a supportive and fulfilling relationship with him and you will like it!

[torpid vine]

And relationship counselling.

[prime mulch]

yes befriend alecto

[zealous wind]

it's what a good friend does

[torpid vine]

Set Alecto up with Hypnos.

I mean... Hypnos was into Meg xD

[zealous wind]

Hypnos would be too oblivious to understand insults