It's just gonna take a bit.
#h1-story-discussion
torpid vine
grizzled siren
But that's not my question
I mean like when Zagreus isn't current escaping
I imagine Elysium might be somewhat the same. Like. I'm sure there are a lot of fighting especially in the arena
I also like to imagine that Eurydice gets visitors who want to try her cooking
open finch
in the Hades canon. Asphodel flooded
Flooded with lava?
torpid vine
Yep
grizzled siren
kinda?
the river Phlegethon overflowed and flooded asphodel
it's the river of burning
torpid vine
Elysium isn't all war-heroes. It's the righteous, the semi-divine, and those favoured by the gods, so it's not all fighting.
torpid vine
You'd get philosophers and the like too, in Elysium.
open finch
Patroclus was pretty mad that all he saw were fighters in Elysium tho
torpid vine
Patroclus has an interesting perspective and doesn't really seem to move much.
open finch
Why did that make me giggle
torpid vine
And the background art for Elysium has more areas to it than just the arena.
open finch
his legs must be jello
grizzled siren
Tartarus would be an interesting one to see
probably mostly just people being punished TBH
Asphodel I'd imagine would be more or less like life on the surface.
torpid vine
Tartarus is just suffering. Although Sis seemed pretty chill with his lot.
open finch
Dang residents of Asphodel must be upset- I know I would be a lil tilted
grizzled siren
with Sisyphus you have two aspects
torpid vine
I wonder if Meg and her sisters have work stats to keep up.
open finch
Sisyphus has Bouldy, not everyone has a bouldy
grizzled siren
one, people there are being punished for all of eternity
two, sisyphus has kinda gotten a lot of time to relax with the furies being occupied by Zagreus
so like after awhile you'd kinda just get used to it
Sisyphus coped by talking to the boulder
torpid vine
Yeah, but he definitely chilled out. So there are probably others who are just... used to things.
Probably drives Alecto nuts.
open finch
I can imagine her hating masochists
grizzled siren
I mean one thing we see a lot around people who were insane/evil/driven mad is like
"living" for the rest of eternity kinda has a way of mellowing someone out
torpid vine
That's canon enough, she hates that Zag's a masochist.
atomic forge
Just go super hard on them, unless it's cenobites
grizzled siren
here's the real questin though
torpid vine
Zag mocks her a couple of times using his masochism, it's great.
grizzled siren
Is Tisiphone like Cerberus where she can fully understand language, but, in her case, struggles to speak
or is Tisiphone unable to understand language and has to be taught words
open finch
:0
torpid vine
I think she understands, you get sound cues and stuff that suggests such. She's just been warped by her job a little more than her sisters.
grizzled siren
I feel bad for Cerberus though
dude is implied to be able to fully understand Zagreus, but just can't talk
torpid vine
He communicates his wants well enough.
grizzled siren
he does also seem to be a bit more animalisitic too
he is the only boss that can be bribed into passiveness
open finch
He does get annoyed when Zag mentions things that would normally require him to respond in words
grizzled siren
Give Cerberus a pencil
torpid vine
He fully understands when Zag tells him not to tear up the lounge again. He has plaaaaans xD
open finch
Cerberus is actually a genius just held back by speech
grizzled siren
one thing i wonder
are gemstones mined in the underworld or is Zagreus just in a constant state of giving gemstones out. those gemstones are given to shades, and then Zagreus steals them back
torpid vine
I mean, Cerberus is the son of a god in his own right.
Hades is the god of wealth, and of gems, earth minerals etc. So Zag probably just views it as snatching from his dad until Hades implies Zag is earning an income xDD
open finch
I'm still stumped on whether everyone merely stands around until their job begins or if they every go to sleep- like I'm sure they don't need sleep but...I guess they're working around the clock?
torpid vine
Than definitely works around the clock. And sleep is part of the job for Hypnos xDD
open finch
True that!
I can't imagine Nyx ever falling asleep and then there's Achilles who's job I'm not sure of
torpid vine
Achilles is a watchman/guard, and seems to also have been deeply involved in raising and training Zagreus.
open finch
I know the latter but 
what exactly is he guarding? Other than keeping Zag from actually getting killed by his dad
What shade is brave enough to attempt...anything?
torpid vine
He's guarding Hades's rooms and the admin chamber
And there are Shades who would attempt things. Heck, Theseus and a friend tried to kidnap Persephone before they were even dead.
open finch
||Hades' room is sad af ngl ||
torpid vine
Achilles is probably a heck of a deterrent though.
open finch
He reminds me of Dunban 
torpid vine
He's so loving in this game. He loves Zag, and his romance is just... T.T
open finch
I'm convinced Theseus has helium in his brain with all that ego
Achilles awakens the deep-rooted daddy issues in us all
torpid vine
Nah. But I'm glad Zag had a dude raising him who cared. And Zag did seem to have an itty bit of a crush on the guy xDD.
open finch
I can't wait to see that dialogue
torpid vine
It's mostly during the gift-giving sections. And Achilles ||saying 'his heart belongs to another' and making me die with the need to reunite him and Pat.|| xDD
open finch
Ugh the dialogue in this game makes me giddy 
torpid vine
As for Theseus, ||I love the mini-arc where all his insecurities bubble out regarding his relationship with Asterius.|| The writing in this game is so good.
cosmic condor
||I felt so bad for || Theseus ||I want to smack this grin out of his face. But not start a life crisis by doing so.||
open finch
Ack I wont to go in blind but I also wont to readdd
grizzled siren
I like to imagine that Theseus is like 50% full of himself. 50% playing it up because it's a public arena fight
there is no way he isn't aware that Hades gave him EM3 powers because of Zagreus
torpid vine
He thinks ||he's so sly with the Persephone comments. No way he doesn't know more about Zag than he'll ever admit to.||
zealous wind
I like to think he’s 100% just like that, very much Poseidon’s son
torpid vine
It's clear he does have some insecurities, and his friendship with Asterius proves that he can admit his failings (occasionally), so he's not quite so flat. I do like the parallel with Zag though, in that they're both sons of gods who resent or reject them too.
zealous wind
His dad does occasionally help him out
torpid vine
Does deny him to Zag though, and tells Zag to kick his ass xDD
faint jasper
Why does Poseidon hate Theseus yet give him power in the fight?
When you complete his prophecy he mentions how he dislikes Theseus yet helps him???
open finch
The gods bullying Theseus hurts my heart everytime 
faint jasper
He deserves it
As Zag says he is a loud mouth
I wanna see how strong Hades was if the gods where helping him
It would be kinda cool if Zag did something bad and then Hades had the gods on his side or something
acoustic jewel
Quite unlikely with all the Persephone business
If Zag royally messed something up, all the Cthonic gods would be in deep trouble
open finch
Yith dear ||mother-in-law|| would attempt murder
If Zag royally messed something up, all the Cthonic gods would be in deep trouble
If they don't get him first
acoustic jewel
He'd just get right back out of river Styx anyway, far as I'm concerned
And I don't think that they'd want to anger Persephone
open finch
True
torpid vine
It's kind of a miracle so many would help Zag in the first place.
acoustic jewel
Thank Nyx
open finch
And Athena
acoustic jewel
And Athena
torpid vine
And several Olympians don't help (Apollo T.T)
open finch
Mommy Night the mvp
torpid vine
Hermes helps thanks to ||Charon||, not Nyx or Athena.
open finch
Zag's on the way, for Hermes helping him is no prob
torpid vine
||Hermes and Charon are in cahoots||, and that's kind of a spoiler. ||Hermes knows a lot more about the situation than most Olympians as a result.||
grizzled siren
Doesn't Hermes imply he knows that Zagreus isn't actually trying to get to Olympus, but keeps it a secret as it's none of his business or something.
torpid vine
Safer to mark them. Just polite.
grizzled siren
I believe anything after the 10th victory is considered a spoiler
acoustic jewel
This is literally the spoiler channel
torpid vine
Some people are further than others.
acoustic jewel
Wow, Einstein
torpid vine
It doesn't hurt to mark things -shrugs-
But yeah, Hermes knows about ||Persephone, about what Zag's doing and why, and all about Charon's involvement too, with Skelly and so on.||
acoustic jewel
Still don't know who hired skelly
I think it might be Hades himself, but who knows
drifting citrus
do you want to find out
grizzled siren
Zagreus hired Skelly while blacked out from a night of heavy drinking
torpid vine
||Charon.||
drifting citrus
i can tell you the requirements for that specific line of discovery
acoustic jewel
Requirements would be quite appreciated
drifting citrus
run into ||hermes with the lucky tooth attached||
you'll be sent into a line of dialogues
acoustic jewel
That can be arranged
grizzled siren
Skelly's real name is Skeletron Prime
acoustic jewel
Never really used it, so it's no wonder I never got that
Also no
Skelly Prime is a robot with a chainsaw, rockets and cool Lazer guns
torpid vine
It's amusing to me that ||Hermes can recognise Charon's tooth. 'Business associates' huh?||
acoustic jewel
Also Skelly Prime has killed me many more times than Boyo Skelly
grizzled siren
skelly has killed my 95 times
torpid vine
Ah Skelly, the only person in the game who might be more masochistic than Zagreus.
acoustic jewel
I'd have to load up terraria again to check
Across multiple playthroughs
Many of which I've deleted
So I'll refrain
torpid vine
I have never played Terraria.
acoustic jewel
Well okay that's of no real concern in a Hades themed chat anyway, my mistake xD
Actually no
I blame Dusa
torpid vine
Poor Dusa!
acoustic jewel
They just had to mention Skeletron Prime!
Even though to be fair the Twins are so much worse and anyone who disagrees will have to fight me in full Tesla Armor with fully upgraded Exo-Tier weaponry.
For I will become Supreme Clamitas incarnate
drifting citrus
congrats!
torpid raptor
Zues + festive fog is so good
acoustic jewel
Gg
torpid raptor
Also Demeter Ultimate
torpid raptor
I also got quake cutter, zues on special, and double lightning bolts
So my special and cast did a surprising amount of damage
drowsy marsh
came here for spoilers, left with a comprehensive lore breakdown of Skelly tron prime
grizzled siren
come back when it's time to talk about the origins of Zagreus for the 32rdth time
primal abyss
can you catch fish in chaos?
drifting citrus
yes, but the chance to appear is very low
primal abyss
oh alright
lavish whale
so obviously a major theme is family or whatever
but is the true core of the story the millennial power fantasy that we can force our divorced parents to get back together?
indigo flare
Quick question, should I accept the Ambrosia-return from Dusa or not?
indigo flare
I mean, I don't wanna grind that amount again, I just sorta feel bad about it D;
lavish whale
i didn't know i had a choice to reject the return lol
drifting citrus
personally i ||took it back, bc she said that she didn't want help with her work and she wanted to achieve it on her own||
green elk
^
timid bison
Something strange happened to me: I was fighting hades using Chiron, with frost flourish and that boon from Demeter that shatters foes at 10%. So I was close to defeating Hades and everything turned blue and Demeter uttered “Reap what you sow!”. Has that ever happened to anyone?
fierce estuary
yea its normal
drifting citrus
yep, that's the demeter legendary boon taking effect!
timid bison
That was effing badass!
topaz night
lmao Hypnos
"maybe if all the mortals die at the same time it'd save you trips and you can spend time with me!"
That's just... fantastic XD
A horribleterrible idea
but fantastic at the same time
red bough
hypnos invented covid-19
topaz night
Also bleh both times I've gotten Thanatos in base he's been talking with other people and I can't give him Nectar XD
drifting citrus
than is the god of (peaceful) dying, hades rules over the shades that are already dead
formal owl
Yes that is how he's described for the most part in myth whereas Than is more Grim Reaperish as depicted
drifting citrus
tbf hades' little epithet in his textbox is notably "God of the Dead" whereas than is "Embodiment of Death" (iirc)
glass rivet
When Hermes said, " Do you want me to shut up? " That kinda made me hurt inside
Why would we want to make him shut up?
devout token
I assume paperwork of day-to-day stuff like records of the dead, their sins in life and punishment in the Underworld, where they are assigned to eternally, etc
I mean parchment work is paperwork
and there's a lot of that to go around, seeing that the admin chamber is so stuffed full of the blasted things that nobody can ever find anything in there, unless you happen to be Mother Night..
normal kiln
i think Neon was referring to a, uh, specific scene
||one in which it’s safe to say there’s very little parchmentwork||
glass rivet
Yeah uh, that
Let's just say they also do the "Parchment Work" near Zagreus' bed
What if we call ||Meg and Zagreus' romance|| "Parchment Work," that'd be funny right?
devout token
oh
glass rivet
No worries, I can see how you can mess that up
drifting bison
And Nyx only knows it due to her connection to the Underworld
Paperwork is truly hell
That even Nyx wants to avoid it and Hades constantly stressed out by it
devout token
lavish whale
Why would we want to make him shut up?
@glass rivet he started getting annoying to me after a few months
fierce estuary
yay meg finally entered my room :DDD
worn widget
I honestly appreciate Hermes' encouragement
eternal tree
What did zagreus say to megaera that pissed her off in the past ?
Or its never specified
upbeat willow
meg and zag are former partners, the companion you get from her after you forge a bond with her ||(and pick the platonic option)|| says ||"From Megaera: Your Former Flame"(or something similar)||
eternal tree
so it isn't really,huh ?
upbeat willow
yeah, it's not explicitly stated but there's enough hints there to piece it together ^_^
eternal tree
ik they were in a relationship before, just wondering what was the reason for the break-up
cus zag says he is ||"sorry" for saying something he shouldn't have||
prime mulch
i think its mostly on his decision on leaving, brings them into an argument
mighty sparrow
question, how do I ||form a bond with someone after the I get the locked heart in their codex entry? I think for Orpheus it got unlocked after I released him from his contract but I don't know how to progress with Than, Meg, Nyx, Achilles, Hades, etc.||
oh and before anyone asks ||I did clear 10 runs||
prime mulch
they all have their own favor, refer to the wiki i guess
worn widget
Yeah, they each have their own quests and/or dialogue to work through
For example just talk to ||Hades|| enough and you can go back to gifting him Nectar
torpid vine
Meg broke off the relationship with Zag because ||he declared he was leaving the Underworld. She likely felt discarded, and we know she thought Zag was being immature and irresponsible. During the mending of their relationship, Meg states that she also didn't particularly want to have to fight and stop him either. As Meg grows to understand Zag's reason for leaving, and as Zag matures in his decision making, the two can develop a new understanding.||
outer orbit
torpid vine
His taste is spectacular.
fast idol
I wonder who he asked to make them
because they seem to be a great artist but not the best.....listener
acoustic jewel
I call Daedalus, actually
rocky dirge
daedalus wasnt much of an artist, really
dense loom
Story question: On my fist playthrough ||Dusa had a dialog with Nyx where she almost got fired, after the release of the game I started from scratch and completed the whole Dusa journal but didn't see that dialog,|| will it appear in the future or did I not meet the conditions and missed out, if so does that mean that its possible to miss other dialogues too?
rocky dirge
It will appear
dense loom
tnx
marble frost
I just took up the game after a few weeks hiatus, mid run. Forgot what I wanted to do so I went to ||die on the minotaur alone to progress the autograph questline|| and as soon as I came out of the pool I see Dusa, who tells me ||it's her last day because she got fired||. So what do I do ? Seek out ||Nyx to scold her||... She's not there ! She probably ran to ||dammy/moddy (?) Chaos||.
fast idol
just wait, this isn't a VN where things can go wrong
fierce estuary
oh no i got the bad end
pale trench
There's a bad end to the game? O.o
marble frost
that's when you die.
drifting citrus
no lol
fierce estuary
i was kidding lol
pale trench
hhh- that's a good one xD why didn't I thought of that!
atomic forge
that's when Zag becomes an office boy like his dad and also spends the "night" watching bicycle races with him
narrow crypt
is there any way to know which character you already give this thing 
?
drifting citrus
check in codex
drifting citrus
the characters have hearts above their description that track how much you've given
narrow crypt
i only have 5 more people left
i wonder what will happen when i got all treasures
no spoilers please
atomic forge
Got a question. I have hades for the switch so no idea if it's a patch thing but ||how does one unlock orpheus. I've beaten Hades 5 times already and have 32 runs now. I've also unlocked the administration room and the fates list of minor prophecies|| so not sure if it's just RNG for it to show up at the contractor
fast idol
oh I think I know
there is a dialogue with Hades where Zag complains about Hades' messy paperwork and Orpheus still being locked away
I am assuming other dialogue strings somehow took priority over that
so you never got the dialogue that unlocked the contract at the contractor
atomic forge
Ahh so the conversation will just randomly happen? Only thing zag mentioned of orpheus was to achilles on if he's seen him I believe but that was pretty early in my game
glass rivet
Is kinetic cutteer good against final boss guy?
fast idol
Best way to try and force these dialogues is just go in with no mirror traits and die to traps
atomic forge
Might have to do that then
fast idol
its supposed to happen pretty early, but I assume you got your first clear pretty early in, eh?
atomic forge
It was I believe my 24th run when I did my first clear
rocky dirge
Just keep talking to everyone at every opportunity. RNG can be a harsh mistress
atomic forge
That's for sure. The RNG gods don't play around
marble frost
Best way to try and force these dialogues is just go in with no mirror traits and die to traps
@fast idol wait, you can fast-track dialogue strings that way ?
fast idol
yea, that's how you can force in House aspect dialogue
marsh oasis
so do the statues that skelly put out in the training room actually do anything?
fast idol
I mean itss till a sense of accomplioshment
marsh oasis
i still have a ||family to fix||
hallow junco
okayy, so riddle me this
if Zagreus ||can't stand the outside and is taken back|| why is the ending cards ||say he met some demise or other? isn't he just... taken?||
fast idol
it's supposed to be like
a few steps out of the gate
drifting citrus
those ending cards are from early access, when the true ending didn't exist yet
drifting bison
It was stated that after Persephone went back
The distance that Zagreus can go got reduced severely
fast idol
||The spot where his mom had his cottage is supposedly still some ways from the temple||
drifting citrus
it's just a fun way to keep those cards in the game
drifting bison
You can assume that it's just the narrator messing with Zag
fast idol
he's just taking different routes to explore but just flat out gets killed every time
drifting bison
And getting a short laugh from Zag inevitable death
hallow junco
ah, okay, the early access explains it
well, everything else is so well integrated I thought I'm missing something 😄
it's just harmless fun, okay, can chalk it up to the narrator or even the mortal world reconciliating those weird happenings
- I just saw a guy like melt into a river of blood... was it the blood god?
- nah, he charged into a wall, what did you expect was gonna happen
drifting citrus
yeah everyone was worried that the funny endings wouldn't make it into 1.0, but they're still here
hallow junco
so then
is there a third ending
then
hallow junco
oh, okay
broken notch
How do I do the gift of song prophecy
fast idol
you play the harp
a lot
practice practice
every now and then Orpheus will compliment you, which means you reached a milestone
once you actually play melodies he'll praise you and it's done
fallow sonnet
||Is persephone coming home random or the 10th clear? I see talk thats random on youtube but I was pretty sure I read here it was after 10 times and it was on my 10th clear for me. Was this included in a recent update? ||
glass rivet
I can't believe Hades is more pissed at us that we're just changing up contracts
verbal ore
||Does anyone know what triggers charon's obol to appear behind him on repeat fights? I beat him 15 runs ago and haven't seen the obol since.||
worn widget
@fallow sonnet it's always ||10th clear||
drifting bison
I think it's random
But it's always the mid shop
So if you want to fight charon
Go to shops as often as possible
Also, interesting enough about Hades and contracts
While he was pissed at Zagreus for changing the contracts without asking his consent
His biggest issue is that he has zero faith in people
And without the contract, Hades doubt the people under him would continue to do their responsibility properly
worn widget
Hades definitely doesn't trust people, understandable given his past
drifting bison
Why would they do their job
If they can go to Asphodel or Elysium to meet their loved ones
worn widget
Yep
drifting bison
It's just fortunate that Orpheus rather like his job and Achilles is quite loyal to the house
Because both of those people are not people that Hades can easily replace
marble frost
Why would they do their job
If they can go to Asphodel or Elysium to meet their loved ones
@drifting bison because their contracts are slightly altered not voided
worn widget
Zagreus, on the other hand, has people do stuff for him because he cares and does stuff for them, as far as I can tell
drifting bison
Yet in Hades mind, even with a slight alteration
They could start becoming less focused on their own tasks and responsibilities
Like, I know the contract is not entirely voided
I don't think Zagreus has enough authority to do that
But even relaxing their duties and giving them lee ways, Hades sees it as a risk
worn widget
Understandably so
atomic forge
All work no play gives him a boner
worn widget
Though at least for ||Orpheus|| it's been a net benefit
drifting bison
Still, even though Hades keeps complaining to Zagreus about it
He gave zero effort in stopping him
Nor revert the contract to its original stipulations
glass rivet
I mean
at least Hades is trustworthy
to Zagreus, I mean
||he said he'll never lie to him post-credits||
drifting bison
Tbf, the one time he lied was to protect Persephone
And Hades will do anything to make sure his waifu is safe
glass rivet
Yes
grizzled siren
Hades will also do anything to keep Cerberus safe probably
glass rivet
Hades is loyal to his waifu to his life
yes
and that
He wanted to tell his waifu that doggo is safe
drifting bison
Honestly, Hades is probably more worried about Cerberus hurting someone than someone hurting Cerberus
Since Cerberus is a big stronk gud boi
grizzled siren
i mean Cerberus's job is to hurt people
dude has to guard the underworld from invaders and exvaders
outvaders?
glass rivet
Hey, do jerkies stack?
drifting citrus
yes
dawn acorn
The game feels so dead after all the interactions are finished..
acoustic jewel
Time to "die intentionally" "for the unique Hypnos Lines"
zealous wind
I would do anything for Hypnos tbh
rocky dirge
The game feels so dead after all the interactions are finished..
@dawn acorn I mean, how many hours of entertainment did you get up to that point?
Sounds like the game did its job
topaz night
Hades seems like a game you can potentially get thousands of hours of enjoyment out of
Which is rare
I mean, before you even put it down for a while lol
zealous wind
it's one of those roguelites that always has something to do, and it keeps you invested enough to actually do everything
as the issue I've had with a lot of games is that beyond gameplay there's not much keeping me around, with Hades there's the great characters and storyline to keep me coming back
glass rivet
Man, I just saw the true ending
That was beautiful
truly something else
Game of the Year, no contest
mental meadow
Is there a specific line of dialog from ||achilles or patroclus|| that triggers their contract? I keep not getting it and it makes me wonder if I've even hit that event flag
lunar kiln
there is one but to get it you need to have ||either freed sisyphus or reunited orpheus and eurydice (or both) first||
fast idol
ya, it takes a while
fallow iron
is there a particular contract that appears to help dusa?
or do i need to keep buying things?
mystic copper
Anyone know how to trigger the conversation with skelly in regards to his employer? (I already know the answer but i havent been able to get that conversation)
fast idol
equip lucky tooth when getting a boon from ||hermes||
and just buy things Naza, but specifically for the Lounge I think
mystic copper
THANK YOU!
fathom current
...I wanna talk about the final boss’s music stinger before his theme beginning >_>
fervent skiff
We're listening 
fathom current
I wish I could disable that part specifically.
Before 1.0, it felt so much more tense just listening to the howling wind as we’re introduced to the inevitable encounter. The positive note of satisfaction from leaving the door to the Underworld, the sound of footsteps...no music. Only words. And then that twang as conversation ends.
I kinda want that space before the low-sounding tone was added, at least for the first or some of your encounters’ attempts at that boss. The hum or tone is intimidating, yes...but its a sound that feels better suited either before or after your first encounter with your final fight, and I’d also like “God of the Dead” to begin with more space before its introduction.
tl;dr That stinger that plays before you fight dad, p good. But it feels like it interferes with the boss theme’s impact.
fervent skiff
Well in my honest opinion, I think it makes perfect sense to add the ominous hum in the beginning because it works perfectly in theory. When bringing out a certain theme, you'd try to get the listener accustomed to it before you even make them hear it. The hum gives the listener something to go off and predict what would be coming next. However I absolutely do agree that keeping the silence would have a much more significant effect. But at the same time you could use the silence sparingly to intensify the situation even more (such as the ||last Hades fight before the credits||) So I partially do agree and disagree with you on this
fathom current
Ye, I remember the hype I felt when first hearing the boss theme.
Watching another streamer play the game for the first time after 1.0, and they get to the final boss for the first time...somehow, it just doesn’t feel the same with the additional sound effect. I would’ve at least wanted silence for the first encounter.
fervent skiff
That would be much better I'll admit
fathom current
Misc quote encounters (I.e. acknowledging Zagreus’s current Weapon or Aspect) though? I’d welcome the sound there.
fathom current
Ye, pretty much
olive bronze
||is there anything specific i need to do to trigger in order to unlock than's last locked heart? (to get the romance scene) he's shown up a couple of times, but i haven't gotten the option to give him ambrosia||
fervent skiff
@olive bronze Keep talking to him and it'll unlock eventually
Beat him once more when he appears and it should unlock
prime mulch
clearly than hates you
fervent skiff
There there, be nice Alpha
upbeat willow
Than is just married to the job, that's all
grizzled siren
Yo get the last heart you must kill 52 million enemies during the survival event
this is in one run, not total
bit of a challenge
arctic root
I hate the King Vermin
arctic root
I just got the Huge Catch. I love how serious Zag sounded when eh said Lets catch some fish. Haha
arctic root
I... think I just went on a date with Dusa
prime mulch
dusa dont understand the concept of romance due to biological differences
marble frost
Dusa must be very dirty, what's with all the time she hangs in the rafters and the dust (there's no movement of the wind so there's no aeration either !) and the goos and the other bits she must collect while cleaning everything... Plus she stress-sweats a lot !
prime mulch
why would u need house of hades to be clean in the first place
marble frost
ask mother Nyx 
prime mulch
i mean u literally messing the great hall a lot with one of the upgrades
marble frost
petals everywhere
prime mulch
not that
mighty sparrow
just got back to the House and walked into ||Hypnos getting chewed out by Meg because he gave her unsoliticed advice|| lol
waxen crater
Hey guys
How I forge a bond with Hermes?
He's the only one missing and I have no idea what I have to do for that ><
neat rampart
||why do we have to keep jumping over the gate after persephone returns? can't hades just open it for us now||
mighty sparrow
||you need to have his keepsake equipped I think||
@waxen crater ^ that one was meant for you
||why do we have to keep jumping over the gate after persephone returns? can't hades just open it for us now||
||probably to keep the escape attempts as genuine as possible lol||
gritty dagger
are there multiple endings?
atomic forge
No
gritty dagger
cause i feel sad because i ||forgot to invite chaos to the party||
rare smelt
||Chaos just chills in their domain, they weren't going to come to the party anyway, but they did feel all of their children in one space and they were happy about that||
open fiber
So for Aphrodite bond, do I need all three romance options completed? Because if so I can't find Thanatos anywhere, he never shows up in the house anymore
hard copper
worn widget
It's likely all three, although ||Thanatos|| is the slowest of the bunch
Since ||he's only at the House when you meet him in the previous escape attempt||
open fiber
well I've already done two of the three so it seems that i need all of them
amber kestrel
Hey people, how do i get Hypnos bond? i saw forums saying that ||i should get tombs and see a dialog with than||. i Pretty much own the house by now and get no new dialogs from anyone
neat rampart
does anybody have the bond icons?
topaz night
Yeah I'm. Not touching that room for now either
I just chose Sunken Treasure over Razor Shoals, when offered, and I've gotta say that I am not disappointed lol
Wow, with the help of a Chaos Boon and Darker Thirst I just got 66 gems out of what was more like... 26 before step up :o
topaz night
lol Hypnos.
"You did it! You've died at least 50 times! That's more than anyone else has died around here!"
rare smelt
Having gotten Aphrodite's bond finally, ||you do need to bond all three, Dusa, Thanatos and Meg, since I thought you only needed two and it would never work to unlock her last heart||
amber kestrel
@topaz night i had a theory that i need to die to most enemies, i didnt get this line i think
pure mural
i'm close to 100% the game (got the true ending, max relationship on every npc, etc...) but i still can't give ambrosia to ZEUS and POSEIDON. 
am i just unlucky or...?
forest urchin
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Poseidon
The requirements are here.
fallow iron
im missing 1 upgrade from daedalus on a weapon
does it count for the prophecy if the anvil that charon sells gives it to me?
rocky dirge
I think so, but check to see if the hammer you're missing is incompatible with whatever aspect you're using, just to be sure
fallow iron
yes i checked, but i was unlucky with the options
and i only got 2 daedalus hammers
so i wanted to try my luck on the anvil
thx anyway
rocky dirge
and i only got 2 daedalus hammers
@fallow iron This is the max amount of hammers you can get in a run, with the anvil makes it three total hammer boons
terse crag
what are the requirements for the ||threesome||? I have over 100 hours and I haven't seen any new dialog for quite a while now
and yes, I did max relationship with ||thanatos and meg|| for quite a while as well
summer lotus
So, how do I increase my relationship with hades? I've unlocked his affinity, but still can't give him nectar?
hot berry
@summer lotus you have to beat the final boss ||hades|| ten times
summer lotus
I already did, I also had the dialogues and the affinity hearts in the codex are unlocked
Still doesn't want my nectar
(that sounded wrong)
Is it a bug?
hot berry
i’m not certain when exactly it triggers, but it’s a certain conversation you have with him that unlocks it
just keep playing! 
obtuse lintel
I was hoping for some more story stuff after I beat hades with the cosmic egg, but you just get small comment from an amused chaos. Prophecy reward was nice tho
fast idol
mostly because you are goin in with a completely useless keepsake
mighty sparrow
so, ||the Achilles and Patroclus quest is complete RNG right? you just gotta get Patroclus to say the right line to get it to kick off properly? because I fed both of them nectar until I can't anymore and last I saw Patroclus in Elysium he just kinda shooed me away without any dialogue? I've also listened to the both of them talk about one another multiple times||
worn widget
Yup. Unfortunately.
mighty sparrow
just gotta be more patient I guess lol, I just wish ||he wasn't so farther down the road so I wouldn't have to clear 2 regions and just pray that his chamber appears in Elysium||
lilac nexus
If Patroclus isn't giving you anymore dialogue then ||you probably need to finish Sisyphus or Orpheus & Eurydices quests to get the dialogue with Achillies that moves the plot forward. ||
prime root
I am kind of furious right now, ||that Nyx fired Dusa.||
rocky dirge
Keep playing, it's a whole story line
prime root
I thought that much. Still angry though D:
warped spoke
Story is surprisingly good. how do i put the black bar up so i dont spoil btw?
rocky dirge
On desktop just highlight the text with your mouse
Or just use these || bars, two at the start and two at the end
hot berry
you can also type || word ||
pipes are on the right hand side of most keyboards, under backspace/delete
rocky dirge
Here in the spoiler channel, anything beyond the credits is a spoiler still. But almost anything else goes
warped spoke
oh ok. Just finished the main story i think. ||I got Persephone back to hades.|| Is that the end of the main story or does it continue from there? aside from the side stories i mean.
rocky dirge
So dont worry too much
There is an epilogue
Keep playing the game and gifting nectar and you'll eventually run into it
warped spoke
nice ok i still got quite a bit to go only on heat 4 or 5 still i think so shrug lol
rocky dirge
Heat is not required for the epilogue, but definitely a good way to keep the game interesting
warped spoke
true but i meant as a gauge for how much ive played. Having a hard time beating ||hades|| with anything other than the shield though XD
copper carbon
Does anyone know where I can find a list/image of all of the ||max heart chibi faces|| you see in keepsakes? I'm trying to show a friend who has never played and I really don't feel like painstakingly screenshotting each one from my Switch 😅
lilac tundra
dreamy zinc
sorry for the ghost ping
coral plover
lol
slate flame
gosh darn it
||Somehow, I got to the Epilogue before I got Achillies and Patroclus back together||
Like I know that ||Hypnos and Thanatos takes F O R E V E R but dangit Achillies! TALK. TO. YOUR. BOYFRIEND.||
grizzled siren
i got an Epilogue question
do the gods hearts unlock before or after? because I've done a lot of the favors but the hearts are still locked
hot berry
you have to ||reunite every other couple first|| otherwise it's random (re: patrochilles)
it's random based on dialogue progress
not related to epilogue completion
fallow iron
can i ||be in a relationship with both thanathos and meg?||
hot berry
yes
slate flame
everyone else IS reunited
and I have all but like... four heart bars unlocked (missing Zeus, Posideon, Demeter, and Hypnos; and those last two basically can't be done till post game anyway)
hot berry
yeah then it's entirely based on the dialogue pool for patroclus and achilles
slate flame
ugh and Pat hasn't been showing pu for me lately (bad RNG I guess) and Achillies jsut wants to talk about random stuff
hot berry
you could be me--i unlocked and paid off the pact but achilles didn't show up for around 5 runs and i ran into patroclus each time
and then when i did talk to achilles, patroclus didn't show up for 5 runs
:))))
slate flame
Achillies: hey wanna know a random fact about a random weapon of yours
Me: YOUR BOYFRIEND, ACHILLIES 😐
fallow iron
the dialogue ||that hermes gaves u when u have the skellys keepsake its just one?||
torn spruce
Sooooo do I have to fight charon twice to progress with hermes?
strong sentinel
the charon fight prophecy is independent of hermes' heart-unlocking favor
if that's what you're asking
plain rune
I equipped Hermes' keepsake and talked to him, but his heart didn't unlock; is there some other requirements needed?
he's one of the last hearts i need to unlock
torn spruce
the charon fight prophecy is independent of hermes' heart-unlocking favor
Ok thanks for the info
atomic forge
is it worth it to throw runs to exhaust dialogue before getting the epilogue? i feel like im closing in on and and dont know if there are any more arcs i might miss out on
arctic root
I dont like Gan Yu
torn spruce
Understandable, have a nice day
arctic root
Gonna have to bring that health hit down first.
marble frost
@atomic forge no, after the epilogue you can continue where you left off
atomic forge
oh, well i've been dying like 3 times a minute for the better part of an hour now, though thats also to farm nectar
i really want the overworld ui theme
marble frost
you'd be better off doing full runs with some fated authority to change the room rewards, that way you'd get more nectars (and darkness and keys and other stuff you might later need like gemstones)
atomic forge
been making like 1-2 a minute just from rerolling the 1st chamber
jade slate
also theres no dialogue trees that get cut off i think
its a bit jarring because after i got epilogue i still had some dialogue trees that were obviously meant for pre epilogue
but its mostly fixed now
mighty sparrow
||so when you form a bond with a romanceable character, when do you get to choose whether you want to actually romance them or just be friends? because I've bonded with Than but it didn't give me any selection||
oh on another note I also ||filled up the bar with Dusa but not only did I not get any selection, I never even got the "bond formed" banner appear at the top. I also don't see a bond between us when I go to the keepsakes locker||
mighty sparrow
as long as it's the way it's intended to work I can wait, I just got worried that I got a bug or somethin ya know
manic crow
quick question how do I use nectar I have like 20 or something and I cant give it to anyone
atomic forge
check the codex, every giftable npc has a heart meter, if it's locked then you need to do certain tasks to unlock them. It'll require ambrosia from then on however
so just... trade it with the broker for other materialsi if you can't gift anymore
oh wait you can also gift bouldy after Sisyphus tells you that you can chat with it too, it's just minor buffs only tho
manic crow
for example how do I unlock the hearts with achilles and pat
its just stuck
check the codex, every giftable npc has a heart meter, if it's locked then you need to do certain tasks to unlock them. It'll require ambrosia from then on however
@atomic forge its been like this for a while
atomic forge
you just keep talking to both Achilles and Patroculus, have admin chamber access, and also talk with Nyx for help
for a detailed explanation refer to the pinned steam guide in this channel
manic crow
thx
thorn crater
I managed to get 100% achievements and did a 32 heat run yesterday, but still can't find that last damn Chaos fish - only ever got 2 fish from there. Why.
worn widget
Rare fish don't exist for me
fast idol
I only ever get projelly
worn widget
I got something other than Projelly once in Chaos.
I stupidly reset that run because it wasn't going well.
thorn crater
When I say I only ever got 2 fish, I mean 2 fish total, not 2 types of fish. In 140 hours of playing. And I almost never turn down a Chaos portal.
manic crow
everytime I play this game it amazes me this is just beautiful and the story is sooooo long
they literally tought of everything its never boring
mighty sparrow
just picked a fight with ||Charon|| without thinking, I had a Chaos boon on me that dealt damage for every attack
||Charon|| whooped my ass obviously but ||I got him down to half health somehow||
zealous wind
yeah chaos boons can really hamstring you if you don't think about em
mighty sparrow
speaking of fish, weird that the Chaos fish don't count for the River Denizens achievement
I got the achievement before even realizing there are fish in Chaos
prime mulch
because theres no rivers
mighty sparrow
well the description still reads "Catch a fish from each region" and Chaos counts as one
hot berry
the fishing achievement from steam or the fishing prophecy from the fated list
mighty sparrow
the Steam achievement
I'm assuming it was maybe added before 1.0 and there were no fish in Chaos back then but that's fully a guess
prime mulch
there is before 1.0
river denizens just refers to those ruled under poseidon domains, so chaos fishes excluded i guess
lunar kiln
chaos fish are super rare (unless you have a skeletal lure but even then you'd have to be lucky) so the achievement doesn't ask you to catch one there to make it easier on you
prime mulch
they increased the chances, now its as rare as a fish in any rooms
amber kestrel
if you press catch button in first 0.3 seconds of... flash? i guess, there is 5% chance to get rarest fish
got chaos,styx and surface rarest fishes in 10 runs
fallow iron
how can i farm nectar?
atomic forge
other than doing the things that get you nectar?
uhmm...fishing? rerolling purple doors to keys or nectar
getting the boon from dionysus
Rarely troves have them
it mostly is just playing the game stuff, but you can accelerate it a little
fallow iron
i have the boon from the mirror that upgrades the chances of boons appearing, should i change it and maybe more nectar rewards should appear?
or its just pure rng?
atomic forge
There's no nectar specific talent iirc
actually you're hurting your chances with that mirror upgrade
because that makes gold laurels appear more often and nectar comes from a purple laurel
atomic forge
yeah if you want to farm nectar it would probably help
I like the gold ones for getting farther in runs, you might be better off just gem farming entire runs though
because every 50 gems is a nectar
atomic forge
and troves
I can get 120 gems from a trove, and it can pop out a nectar rarely, too
so 3 nectars from one trove on a good scenario
also all the other benefits from clearing the game, too, conversation progression etc
fallow iron
i should get the poseidon boon too
does it change the ammount of drops if the boon has a different rarity?
or is it always the same?
the one from poseidon
atomic forge
yeah I'm pretty sure higher rarities have more rewards
polar crown
so how the heck do I || unlock hypnos ||
manic crow
wdym unlock
polar crown
He's been stuck at maxed hearts for a bazillion years now, I've finished the game and I'm closing on max ranks and I still have a locked heart.
manic crow
I have the same problem with achilles and pretty much everyone and someone told me I just gotta keep giving nectar to everyone and keep talking
polar crown
Yeah but this isn't the problem here. There's supposed to be interactions popping up with him that never happened
Everyone else is maxed
manic crow
If thats the case Idk man sorry
torpid raptor
So as it turns out Charon is a boss fight, I may have made a mistake
I won but at the cost of two deaths
Got an early hermes though
Melted Megaera after that lol
He's much harder
atomic forge
that money goes a long way, just pray for a Pat in third stage
torpid raptor
Is Charon's card permenant?
strong sentinel
@polar crown ||hypnos' favor is annoying because you have to witness multiple conversations with thanatos talking to him, so it's dependent on multiple instances of thanatos RNG||
torpid raptor
Nice
Just got the Dionysus/Aphrodite duo boons with magnetic fists
(Dionysus on attack and aphrodite on special and dash)
Even though I lost some deaths defiances, this run is looking pretty good. I just hope I can get Patroclus.
YESS
Got Patroclus
pale zenith
Has anyone else noticed the Exagryph's stretch when you use its special? I can't unsee it now.
It looks especially cursed on the L-aspect
torpid raptor
Oh my god
I just absolutely melted the Elysium bros
I underestimated Athenas Ult
If your DPS is ridiculous it's much better than the nuke boons
Is Old Spiked Collar (38 max) or Skelly's Tooth (100 hp) better if you have 175 hp and 3 death's defiances?
atomic forge
what difficulty are you playing on, acorn can be 5 attacks
which is usually stronger
atomic forge
acorn is great on higher heats, it's definitely worth leveling up imo
but I also leveled them all up because I'm an OCD completionist
I like the nyx keepsake too if you're doing a lot of damage and can keep up the back attacks
torpid raptor
I'll get to it then, Usually I use Olympian items/coin purses for the first 3 regions and skelly is the only thing I have at level 3 so it's usually my default
(For the end)
atomic forge
it all depends how much help you need really and if you're going for a time or not
torpid raptor
I'll use the collar now I suppose
atomic forge
if you survive with 2 death defiance you probably should've taken a different keepsake, you know?
torpid raptor
Yeah
Is side hustle worth it in the styx?
You go through a large amount of chambers
atomic forge
ehhhh, not usually, you still might get an extra 150ish gold though
torpid raptor
Because quick favor is also an option
and second wind
oops
Took second wind accidentally
atomic forge
second wind is pretty strong if you have a lot of call boosting things
quick favor feels really iffy to me
torpid raptor
Ooh
used the anvil, got rid of the special kill=health
got explosive uppercut and +5 on each consecutive punch
DANG IT
That's just unfair
(not really)
Hades lasers blew up one of his traps and killed me behind cover
low edge
is there a way to get all the possible dialogues?
atomic forge
I mean. technically no, not in one instance of a save file
but it's not exactly important
you'll get like 99.9%
sharp pumice
re: thanatos and having a dad: ||codex says he's fatherless, so nyx probably like. just made him cos she felt like it lol||
rocky dirge
In mythology, he is the son of Erebus
sharp pumice
yeah but this is game than
torpid vine
Charon, Hypnos, Thanatos, the Fates, Nemesis, presumably Moros and others are all just... Nyx babies.
That said, leave a baby near Nyx and she'll raise it. As she did with the Furies and Zag xDD
storm river
Nyx has so many children
No wonder why she didn’t mind raising Zag and leaving the running of the underworld to hades
pale zenith
So my girlfriend discovered Aspect of Arthur. She's a weeb, mythology nut, and medieval nut. She's been fangirling the entire time.
mighty sparrow
||Hades gave me permission to use summons against him I was not expecting that||
rare bronze
lol ditto when it happened
mighty sparrow
I was thinking oh good he's going to chew me out again for getting help but the exact opposite happened lmao
spice ice
damn demeter's VA nailed it i genuinely get chills when i cast her greater call
agile wagon
hey, can someone help me with Hypnos?
grizzled siren
the funny thing about that
dude forgets his own agreement
Hades always says stuff like || "That is not what we pay the maid for" or "Dusa what are you doing?" || like. dude, you are the one who told her she had to do it
prime mulch
are you sure its not nyx whos handling her
grizzled siren
what
torpid vine
Nyx is definitely Dusa's direct superior.
grizzled siren
Imagine if the narrator is telling a story and that story is the game
"and then the prince entered Asphodel and decided he did not like the boons he was given, he proceeded to stand in lava until he died"
torpid vine
Not the weirdest thing any Greek has written. May we never forget that Plato's Symposium has a part where he argues that Achilles was a bottom. Or that Diogenes once interrupted Plato with a plucked chicken and stated 'Behold, a man!'.
prime mulch
diogenes is a madlad
grizzled siren
the more i hear of greek mythology the more I think that like
prime mulch
alrho diogenes is not much of a myth
torpid vine
Philosophers are another species.
torpid vine
Yeah, but Plato arguing over Achilles's preferred role in bed... that's legit xD. And Troy is/was real.
grizzled siren
there is a lot of story, to the point where it seems like a good portion of people knew it was just a story and wanted to write more to it
torpid vine
Oh yeah, with the Iliad, for sure. But there may have been an Achilles, or a person he was based on. Hard to know at this point.
grizzled siren
im gonna make a time machine and learn greek just to prove you wrong. give me a few years
prime mulch
even if the gods were real they probably dead qt this point
torpid vine
Well, probably? -shrugs- That's getting into religious philosophy though, and I'll leave that to Diogenes and his man. xD
grizzled siren
here is the real question
does Dionysus ever get a hang over or does he avoid it by being constantly drunk
or is he classy and never gets drunk off of wine..hmm
tepid halo
He takes the hangover and stuffs it into the boons he gives to zag
torpid vine
I mean, he's classy regardless. Just look at him, such class. He does seem to have some command of hangover though...
grizzled siren
here is the realer question
torpid vine
That said, given that the first grapevine was his lover, who died... you could probably harvest something really angsty with hangover = grief/loss over the wine/lover being gone. -ponders-
grizzled siren
what is Dionysus's opinion of non wine alcohol
torpid vine
Less sacred, probably still good though. xD
tepid halo
He’ll drink it until you’re forced to give him real wine
...actually no
He’ll wave a hand and it will be alcoholic again
open finch
Is the legendary fish the ||Sturgeon||?
rocky dirge
There is a legendary fish in every region
That one is indeed the legendary fish of its region
grizzled siren
So hear me out
there are 3 tiers of fish.
Common, rare, and legendary
but where are the heroic fish? huh? where are they?
what about the epic fish?
don't even get me started on the duo fish
grizzled siren
I think all I'm missing are the first two fish in the codex ;-;
i think those are the chaos fish
aka good luck
rocky dirge
Yup
open finch
AHHHHHH HYPNOS AND THAN ARE SPEAKING I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR TWO WEEKS IM GONNA CRYYYY RNGGGGGGG 
And then I get more dialogue on ||Hypnos dumping Meg|| this was a treasured run
Now I need a compilation of that subplot
sleek venture
i was curious about who callisto was in the mythos
so i looked up the normal wiki
now im horrified
i just hope artemis doesnt lose her in the game
oblique lily
I got the run this time where hades ||refuses to fight me|| and I just thought he saw the ungodly damage I got on my special with heart seeking bow and he chickened out hahaha
oblique lily
Oh man ... I finished it, I'm sad
grizzled siren
don't worry
just like mystery dungeon. the post game is the majority of the game
while it's not hard coded. a lot of the events end up falling into post game due to the requirements.
oblique lily
Content wise I believe you, its just the main narrative is mostly what keeps me going with most games
storm river
I still haven’t finished Achilles questline
grizzled siren
like I said while you were typing that
you still have a lot of story to encounter
storm river
I play other roguelites, like slay the spire and FTL, so lack of plot is not an issue
oblique lily
thats good to hear of course
grizzled siren
it's just most of the story will be happening within the house rather then during the run
but assuming you havn't taken 100 runs to beat the game. you have plenty of god chatter to hear
storm river
Yeah, there’s still an epilogue
grizzled siren
Plus my favorite part of doing runs
storm river
And unique interactions between gods and stuff and stuff you’re holding
storm river
Lernie gets a nickname
oblique lily
pity, the furries could make for great story and dialog
I love Zag called it Lernie lmao
grizzled siren
Im 60 runs in and still getting dialogue from the furies but
storm river
I like how zag kind of starts thinking of the hydra like a pet after a while
oblique lily
I'm very interested in a questline or story for Theseus and Asterius
oblique lily
I like how zag kind of starts thinking of the hydra like a pet after a while
yeah right? haha
grizzled siren
Furies ||Zagreus slowly teaches Tisiphone how to say Zagreus||
Hydra ||Zagreus naming it Lernie||
Theseus has the biggest story ||with Zagreus befriending Asterius and Theseus getting into a fight with Asterius||
Hades ||not much, but the two can sometimes have a conversation during the fight with Hades being a lot friendlier with Zagreus||
beyond Hades and maybe Theseus. most of this is not hard coded to happen after the credits, but due to dialogue pools and randomness it tends to fall there
storm river
||i like the conversation you get if a fishing spot spawns right behind hades||
oblique lily
I wont read the other spoiles, but the Furry one is hilarious
grizzled siren
you already know the Hydra one, it's just the lernie thing
storm river
Yeah, I think you need to defeat the bosses many many times before their plot opens up
grizzled siren
but iw ould suggest not reading the rest
the Hades one is especially nice to hear without knowing about it
oblique lily
Yeah the dynamic between zag and hades is also quite interesting
Glad there is more to look forward to story wise
also Persephone and Hades
thanks for teasing me:D
grizzled siren
oh btw pro tip
Idk how youve progressed but
if you haven't open up Patroclus's codex page
it opens up interactions you'd otherwise need to wait for dialogue to get
and one thing you shall learn is that waiting for dialogue is the true end game
oblique lily
I triggered something between Patroclus and ||Achilles|| if thats what you mean
grizzled siren
nah then you already have it
the majority of interactions with Patroclus is locked behind knowing their name
mainly the ability to give him nectars
forest urchin
Still quite some story to go after the credits. Gotta get that epilogue at the very least
oblique lily
Hahahaha I love Zagreus: ||So Uh what now? I've grown so used to ransacking your domain, I think I'm really going to miss it. ||
topaz night
Zagreus is pretty great, yeah
wheat walrus
I did it! I'm on the way home now. :D! I WIN I WIN (postgame time)
iron hawk
||Dusa just gave me back all the ambrosia I gave her||, I think that's the best feeling ever
prime mulch
yes, a snakehead isnt worth it
manic crow
||||
mighty sparrow
does Touch of Styx require a special condition to spawn in a Charon well? it's the only one I'm missing for his prophecy and I've never seen it once in 70+ runs
fierce estuary
u need stubborn defiance
mighty sparrow
oh
I've only used that like twice so that would explain it
thank you
guess I gotta try and farm it out
manic crow
Furies ||Zagreus slowly teaches Tisiphone how to say Zagreus||
Hydra ||Zagreus ...
so how do I unlock the furry one
fathom current
Just get lucky enough to fight Tisiphone a bunch
Also who else had a laugh when using the Call trinket on the final boss?
worn widget
"||What??||"
thick burrow
Okay so I just beat Hades with the Extreme Measures pact as I want to complete the Sea-God Spite mission. Since I beat Theseus with the Pact but didn't see Poseidon for the rest of the run, do I need to do the run again and see Poseidon in the same run, or can I just talk to Poseidon in a new run? I ask this because I attempted that, but he didn't acknowledge I beat Theseus with Extreme Measures the last time.
cosmic condor
No you completed it and poseidon will mention it
In some of the next runs
You don't have to beat theseus in gold again
thick burrow
Oh wait he was supposed to be in Gold?
cosmic condor
Yeah
thick burrow
Ah then I didn't beat him then. The only thing that changed was fighting all three of the Furies at the same time.
cosmic condor
You need to go up to 3 in this heat category
thick burrow
Is it a random change of any of the bosses?
Ahhhhh, okay, that makes sense. Thank you!
cosmic condor
No. It goes up. 1 is the furies 2. The Hydra and 3. Theseus and Asterois
thick burrow
Okay a question about the pact then. So I know if I keep beating the pact with each reward, I get new runs with getting all the same items again. Like eg I beat with 1 skull, then I can win all the items again at 2, etc. Does this keep going up after each time I beat an escape with the max skills or does it cap out at some point?
fathom current
Really wish I could see that Tag Team move in EM3.
thick burrow
Just wondering if I should go beyond the max since it doesn't seem I get to win any rewards before maxing out my previous skulls.
Heat I mean, not skulls, even though they're the same thing really
cosmic condor
I am not that far on the hear scale but until now I always get new diamonds and blood with every heat level. Never started overshooting it because I need to farm
thick burrow
Yeah same, I'm just wondering what happens if you do overshoot it.
cosmic condor
Sry idk
thick burrow
Btw... ||how many escapes will there before you aren't allowed to go to Greece anymore? No need to spoil the ending, just need to know how less likely I will be able to do the pretty Greece walk and talk to Persephone at her home + fish there is all. I know I can fish where I fight Hades, but I'm just wondering for the Greece area itself||
cosmic condor
never counted that too xD
still ||Too baffled that I actually have won.||
sharp pumice
10
cosmic condor
ty
thick burrow
Oh no, one more run and I'm done going there then. That sucks. 😦
tulip swallow
is getting persephone and hades' keepsakes a spoiler?
because i've gotten to persephone several times and have never been able to give her nectar
thick burrow
I would have expected I would have got one from them at some point since I've got everyone elses
I wish I could give her necter though.
sharp pumice
as vague and unspoilery as i can put it: ||you can do so after your 10th win||
pine sparrow
worn widget
is getting persephone and hades' keepsakes a spoiler?
Everything from final boss and first clear onwards is considered a spoiler, so yes
Blessed Reply function
drifting citrus
why is this the only server i can use the reply function in 😔
sharp pumice
same for me
worn widget
Probably verified/partnered servers first
copper saffron
Yeah I checked it
strong sentinel
Probably verified/partnered servers first
it can't be that, it's on a tiny server i'm on with some friends; must be random
heady rain
its been a while since dusa is ||fired and rehired||, and i can't initiate any dialogue or give her anything now
i'm pretty sure i haven't completed her event yet since aphro still has a heart locked, but dusa's at full heart and entry completed
...is this normal?
mighty sparrow
question regarding Asterius and Theseus, ||does their story end after they get into a fight and then make up? I was kind of hoping Asterius would be annoyed at him enough to team up with me instead, at least for like a single fight or two||
strong sentinel
@heady rain have you ||had the conversation with Dusa where she offers to give the ambrosia back? and also i think Aphrodite needs you to fully bond with Meg or Than in addition to fully bonding with Dusa, so have you done that?||
heady rain
||i got full hearts with all three, but she hasn't returned the ambrosia||
high glacier
Is there any special interaction with Hades if you reach him and beat him withouth any god boons? (Like avoyding those picks or washing them away?)
strong sentinel
||okay i think dusa doesn't fully count until she tries to return the ambrosia|| re: _Meh
torpid raptor
I meant to build a Artemis/Aphrodite crit build with nemesis sword
Ended witn Chill build with backstab cast boon and athena cast
WIth the heal duo between Demeter and Athena
sleek wigeon
if u have god mode att 80% resist and boons and stuf that give u 20% resist r u invincible
atomic forge
i got to hades with a super good build and i was so ready to rock him and he was just like ||"nah its cool go bring ya mom home" like dude the one time I was excited to fight you you just dont||
grizzled siren
@thick burrow i dont think anyone ever told you. but heat rewards cap at 20 or 21
spice ice
@atomic forge literally same thing happened to me on that particular run haha i was READY TO GO
mighty sparrow
is there any merit to ||giving Bouldy nectar?||
apart from extra dialogue, I would assume
atomic forge
yes ||he gives you a random small upgrade like you get +8% more money or something like that||
spring hinge
i got to hades with a super good build and i was so ready to rock him and he was...
It was the opposite for me, I had no death defiances left and like half health.|| When he said go, I was so relieved||
Also, I just did the best run I’ve done so far. ||16 heat first try, and I hadn’t done anything past 8 heat.||
atomic forge
obamna
sleek wigeon
imagin being obama
neat rampart
@spring hinge wait how did you do that
clear oracle
scripted event
clear oracle
the reply function
it replaces the old quote function
just click reply like normal?
neat rampart
it replaces the old quote function
i have never seen this before
clear oracle
yee, it's new today
clear oracle
it also works on my private friend server
neat rampart
that's weird
atomic forge
that's weird
this is strange
neat rampart
this is strange
unusual
torpid vine
I liked the quote function. I like reply too. I want both T.T
atomic forge
you still have the old one
torpid vine
Looks like witchcraft. Alas, I am not proficient.
shy gate
i wanted to ask, i managed to give meg all the nectar and everything but theres a heart with a lock now but theres just new dialogue, shes not asking for anything
i figured ill ask here since its story related
rocky dirge
Just keep talking to her
rocky dirge
Yes
shy gate
thank you
rocky dirge
Not four more times, but it has to be four more specific conversations
Remember, all convos are RNG
You cant mess it up
shy gate
ive been hoarding ambrosia and just killed hades right now so id like to get meg as a companion
rocky dirge
Just keep talking to her
supple dagger
Y'know, now that I think about it, do you think Hypnos ever mastered performing his duties while in an unconscious state? Sleep-work, if you will?
mighty sparrow
well if anything we know he didn't do it while we were watching lol
storm river
I think he becomes a tiny bit more alert after you forge a bond with him
I still don’t know why Hypnos disappears randomly tho
Like, I got defeated by Asterius again, and he wasn’t there, so I couldn’t advance on getting an autograph
supple dagger
We never do know where some people go when you come back randomly and they aren't there.
mighty sparrow
I bought him a couch to sleep on and he said he'd never do that while at work, he's like "I'm fine sleeping mid-air" lmao
supple dagger
swear it looks like he uses it though
onyx sierra
I’m reading about myths and it says Poseidon also ruled the underground rivers and I remembered Hades yelling about how the rivers in the underworld were all his and I’m like 😂😂😂
Who is telling the truth
rapid geode
I have all the requirements done for the bow's secret aspect, but Artemis refuses to give it to me. Plenty of times she doesn't even say anything so I don't think there's lots of other dialogue queued. Is this normal? Not sure if this is the right place, was worried about spoiling someone
supple dagger
@onyx sierra I could see Poseidon having some domain limited to the rivers, but who knows. Charon rides his boat through it and Poseidon himself isn't necessarily a Chthonic deity either, so it's probably a very limited reach.
he at least controls the River Denizens.
grizzled siren
In the Hades lore Poseidon does not control the underworld rivers
Poseidon has a line specifically talking about how the fish Zagreus catches escaped from his domain
rough forum
Hades also mentions that, yep
grizzled siren
Hades, like most people who portray greek mythology, takes some liberties
the most notable being the complete removal of incest
thorny trail
What is Ambrosia used for or is it only for trading with the broker?
storm river
And asphodel isn’t like it is in Greek myth
grizzled siren
ambrosia is the tier 2 relationship stuff
you use it after you unlock a character's heart
storm river
Because I guess they wanted a lava land instead of washed out meadows
thorny trail
That is a shame I haven't seen Dionysus as much.
I have like 5 Nectars in the back waiting to get his rating up.
grizzled siren
in Hades lore, the river Phlegethon overflowed and flooded Asphodel.
this was done out of lore to make Asphodel distinct form Elysium
Also Shark uhh
All of the gods take a bit of work to max them out
like, you'll probably beat the game before getting one maxed
thorny trail
I already have beat the game.
grizzled siren
oh
thorny trail
I just can't find Dionysus.
thorny trail
Just might have to.
grizzled siren
equping a keepsake forces the god into the pool
thorny trail
I am trying to get all my other keepsakes up to 3 star.
storm river
Yeah, I’m finding it a pain to grind the last few
grizzled siren
to Max out Dionysus you have to (not really a spoiler, but you can avoid if you want to keep it a secret) ||give out 6 ambrosias ||
all the gods have weird unlock requirements
storm river
I found Aphrodite and Hermes took the longest for me
thorny trail
Posion Assassin trickster stuff is always the builds I like going for in games.
grizzled siren
Aphrodite requires a hefty talk requirement and Hermes just doesnt show up much from my experience
what weapon do you like to use?
thorny trail
Twin fists.
thorny trail
Really the only class for me bar the spear if I get the right hammer upgrades.
grizzled siren
You could also do a sort of 'heavy assassin' by taking Sword hidden aspect and picking up the backstab hammer upgrade along with the mirror boon and keepsake
there is a backstab keepsake right? or am i making stuff up now
might be thinking of the 'take more damage if you get backstabbed' keepsake