h1-story-discussion

[torpid vine]

SO MANY

[blazing venture]

Jason

Odysseus

Ajax

[torpid vine]

Ajax

[blazing venture]

Ajax again

[restive latch]

what i like about this game is that it makes learning about greek mythology fun

[frail nexus]

I mean those that are dongs like Thesues

[restive latch]

among other things

[blazing venture]

Jason

Was kinda a dong

[torpid vine]

Oh, Atalanta.

[frail nexus]

... the only thing I see is that Theseus gets differnet allies

so like Asterus switches with other people

[restive latch]

nah replace thesues with someone

asterius stays

[torpid vine]

You could do a double replace with Achilles and Patroclus too.

Lotsa options.

[blazing venture]

Crossover opportunity

Ornstein and smough

[torpid vine]

Odysseus would probably win though. He's... really good at that.

[blazing venture]

Theres probably a mod of that

[torpid vine]

Possibly, but I'd prefer to stick with the Greek.

[blazing venture]

Yeah I wasnt serious about that

[frail nexus]

...actually I think I know what would be a good sequel but I think people aren't going to be happy about it

[blazing venture]

Supergiant games adapts Disney's Hercules?

[frail nexus]

Same game concept, but it takes place in another timeline

so like... it still takes place in hell but it's another religion

And you can get Zagreus' sword as an aspect

[restive latch]

no

[frail nexus]

why not?

[torpid vine]

That's been suggested before. I can see it working with some tweaks but I'd honestly miss Zag and the cast we have.

[frail nexus]

I will too... but then it would make us cherish what we have

[torpid vine]

I already do

[frail nexus]

cause remember, as much as we love this game, we don't want this to become like...

a mess

[blazing venture]

Top tier idea here

What if they just let hades be a good game on it's own and then made other stuff

[frail nexus]

Hades 5: Zagreus helps Cleopatra with her relationship with Caesar

[torpid vine]

I'm fine with that. I mean, I'd be a little sad, Vera, but it's what I actually expect at this stage.

[blazing venture]

I mean hades already draws a ton from pyre

[torpid vine]

Hades is just so lovely that I'd very much welcome more of it, in whatever form it took.

[frail nexus]

Actually, what is Pyre like?

[blazing venture]

So presumably future games would retain a ton of elements

[restive latch]

sports visual novel

[frail nexus]

... really?

[restive latch]

according to what ive heard

[unreal dagger]

Pyre is nba disguised as a fantasy novel

[blazing venture]

Pyre is hades but you play basketball instead of a roguelike

[torpid vine]

Try it out.

[frail nexus]

... Eh....

[blazing venture]

Tbh I prefer pyre to hades

Hades is good but Greek mythology and roguelikes just feel sorta derrivative these days

[unreal dagger]

I love the pyre story, but man the gameplay bores me

[torpid vine]

I do not. I have yet to finish Pyre, but I can see how Hades took lessons from it.

[unreal dagger]

Well is their own game

They learn from their past projects

[torpid vine]

Hades sold me on SGG's backcatalogue though xDD

[blazing venture]

Pyre isnt afraid to be unfamiliar and I think that's a positive

[torpid vine]

I'm enjoying it, but the narrative is more indirect in Pyre, the gameplay isn't quite as fun to me, and Zagreus is one of my favourite protagonists in anything, so I miss him T.T xDD

[blazing venture]

Also Thrash Pack is the greatest contextual use of a song in video games

[unreal dagger]

Yeah I enjoy pyre story, until i reach a rite, then I go UGHHHHHHH this again

[blazing venture]

Even though it's a petty villain and an easy match, thrash pack gets you pumped as hell

I dont think I've noticed the soundtrack in hades in the same way I did with pyre

[torpid vine]

The songs with vocals are superb. The credits sequence is so good.

[blazing venture]

Oh whoops

Also doing weird stuff like an old timey remix of the dropkick murphys for the match where you play against the medieval sea worms

[torpid vine]

That does sound weird.

Having not really listened to the Dropkick Murphys, I doubt I'd recognise it though. xD

[blazing venture]

It's just that song from The Departed if you've seen that

It's not a literal remix but the songs are incredibly close

[unreal dagger]

I also wish pyre had voice lines instead of that latin, or w.e it is

[keen plinth]

How do I learn the lyre lol

Do I just strum it every other run until Orpheus offers to teach me?

[atomic forge]

yes

210 interactions total, spread into phases which you talk to Orpheus

[tardy patio]

so when will "Achilles tell you more in a conversation soon after that"?

🤔

[unreal dagger]

After what

The lyre?

[tardy patio]

no in the aspect unlocking it says that

sorry should've been more specific

[unreal dagger]

Oh

[grizzled siren]

Random

[unreal dagger]

Once you meet the requirements

Is random

[grizzled siren]

I'm STILL waiting for Nyx to talk to me about ||orpheus's contract||

[unreal dagger]

Nyx need to do some stretching

[grizzled siren]

3/4 times shes talking to someone

[unreal dagger]

After carrying all those quests on her back

[grizzled siren]

Nyx be like "I control the progression, now beg."

[unreal dagger]

Id love to beg

[torpid vine]

She's got ||Ares|| for that.

[unreal dagger]

This is so sad, orpheus play despacito

[keen plinth]

@grizzled siren She already spoke to me

and there's nothing in the admin chamber yet.

[uncut glade]

in my case the thing i got bodied hard was ||achilles and patroclus ||

it was hard af to get the story going even run after run after run of maxing them both

[grizzled siren]

what?

idk why you pinged me

[keen plinth]

I was just talking about the Orpheus quest.

[lime rapids]

how does one a boulder such as myself acquire more -redacted- in order to upgrade -redacted- for smashing foes

for aspects basically

[grizzled siren]

titan blood?

[green elk]

killing the first and 4th boss, buying it in styx, trading for it in the lounge, and through prophecies

[grizzled siren]

if you want more titan blood you gotta turn up the heat

[lime rapids]

yes titan blood and thank you

[grizzled siren]

Just as like

future reference

[Redacted] is used to talk about Hades. using it for other stuff is a bit confusing

[green elk]

^

[grizzled siren]

cus [Redacted] is how he shows up in the win logs

or lose logs i suppose

[lime rapids]

noted sorry

and oh right

[grizzled siren]

It's fine, it was obvious enough what you were talking about. just somethin to keep in mind for future questions

[lime rapids]

how do you use the blank when quoting something which is a spoiler

[grizzled siren]

type || on both sides

it spoiler tags it

[lime rapids]

okay thanks!

[true arrow]

cus [Redacted] is how he shows up in the win logs
that's also how Hypnos talks about him

[magic tendon]

I finally got ||King Vermin||, but was strong enough to kill him in about 10 seconds. Is there anything I should know about him for future runs or us he actually a joke boss

[uncut rivet]

he sucks to get if you dont have a solid build and can't burst down his adds

he was by far the worst miniboss for me when i was first starting out

a lot of speedrunners/||TD ||people also hate him because he chews up tooooons of time when he teleports

[magic tendon]

He legitimately seemed scary if I didn’t have as good a build as I did at that moment

The only mini bosses I have trouble with is the ||big gorgon|| in asphodel and the ||constantly teleporting witch|| in Tartarus

[fast idol]

Middle management minibosses are all rude

I probably dislike the barge the most, with the Gorgon+Head second

[terse crag]

did dusa just.. friendzone me?

my day is ruined...

[fast idol]

ahw :(
there's some follow up talks so keep talkin to her!

[hot mirage]

Personal complaint for final boss battle: I swear Hades keeps spamming the boiling blood skulls after this update

[rocky dirge]

my day is ruined...
@terse crag Join the club ;___;

[fallow iron]

||guys if i want to unlock some aspects of the weapons do i need to make a run with that weapon and receive a blessing from a god in particular?||

||i only got guan yu and the bow one||

[rocky dirge]

Check the pinned comment in this channel

[wooden viper]

anyone have any idea how many times you have to ||play the lyre for the miniquest with Orpheus' music lessons to continue||?

[green elk]

200 strums

iirc

and 2-3 talks with ||Orpheus||

[wooden viper]

good god, I've been trying a bit every time I pass through Zag's room, but wew.

[green elk]

yeah, I suggest just doing 3-4 every time you pass through. It's what I did

[wooden viper]

I strum until I get two different voice lines, but goodness.

lmao every time I complain about something taking a while, it triggers.......

[fallow iron]

do i need to spend the titan blood after i have the ||requirements for unlocking new aspects or it doesnt matter||

[green elk]

If you have ||GY|| unlocked, and then spent ||5 blood on each weapon|| then no, it does not matter if you spend more blood, except to make the aspects stronger

[open berry]

lyre quest is 210+ interactions in total

fyi

theres dialogue with orpheus that progress it at 20, 60, 110 and 210 interactions, the final one should finish the prophecy

[fallow iron]

If you have ||GY|| unlocked, and then spent ||5 blood on each weapon|| then no, it does not matter if you spend more blood, except to make the aspects stronger
@green elk if i already had spent ||5 blood on any weapon|| does it work aswell? like before unlocking ||gy||

[green elk]

check the pins to double check my explanation, but the blood you spent has to be on non-zag aspects for any weapon to unlock ||GY||

[fallow iron]

ohh thats why

thx

[green elk]

for weapons besides ||GY|| it can be any aspect

from the pins: ||- Varatha: Aspect of Guan Yu. Acquire the Fated List, unlock at least 5 other aspects, and fight Hades at least once (outcome is irrelevant). Achilles should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.||

So, actually it's 5 aspects, not blood, my bad

[atomic forge]

So, I have a question concerning the || max relationship unlock with Poseidon : Is there something specific I need to do to prompt him so that I can max out the relationship ? I have every other relationship maxed out so far, and only need Poseidon, even the annoying one that was Hypnos' ||

[unreal dagger]

you have to fish

[atomic forge]

... That explains it lmao

[unreal dagger]

Poseidon's favor requires using the Rod of Fishing and successfully fishing up a minimum of 18 fish, and having caught at least 1 fish for that run prior to encountering Poseidon.

[atomic forge]

I got the minimum, just need to fish once before I meet Poseidon then

[green elk]

Dont you also need a rare or higher fish?

Or is his favor different than the prophecy?

[atomic forge]

... If that's the case, this might take a while for me

[unreal dagger]

the favor doesnt say anything about rare fish

just fish

[green elk]

Ah so it is different than the prophecy

[atomic forge]

Thanks for the help

[knotty garnet]

It's normal that i didn't get the hidden aspect of Coronacht when i speak to Arthemis ? maybe it's random

also i used over 5 titan bloods in the aspect of chiron

[atomic forge]

Did you unlock Guan-Yu yet

If so, it should be random

[river wedge]

I still didn't unlocked favor from Hypnos... He's the last one for me... Is there any specific requirements that I'm missing?

[unreal dagger]

rng

since thanatos is involved

[atomic forge]

Also there's a lot of dialogue needed before it's actually done

And all of it's RNG

So uh yeah it's likely the last one you'll max out

[untold bronze]

So how does

Using Hades call during hades fight canonically work

[rocky dirge]

Try it and find out!

[untold bronze]

I did

[rocky dirge]

Then you know how it works

[grizzled siren]

it works because it's not hades call

it's using a relic

Unlike other god calls which are boons granted to Zagreus, Zagreus has to use a physical object to use Hades call

[hybrid rose]

||"Father!" "Son!"||

[wooden viper]

first ||Erebus Gate|| and I literally get hit by a wretched witch within a good five seconds because it kept wrapping itself around a pillar and blocking my attacks. :/

[atomic forge]

I have experienced the annoyance of that witch using the pillar

It's so frustrating lol

[wooden viper]

damned thing was taking its pathing cues from a tetherball post, I swear to god.

[brazen locust]

Hey how do I Finnish Sisyphus' story line? I gave him all the nectar I could and talked to hades and megaera but the item hasn't shown up in the renovations shop? How do I progress?

[bright rose]

keep playing

[atomic forge]

keep dying

[unreal dagger]

keep respawning

[green elk]

@brazen locust keep visiting his room, there's two "cutscenes" ||with meg there||, and eventually ||Nyx will have two dialogues and tell you where his contract is||

[mental narwhal]

TLDR:

1. keep giving Nectar/Ambrosia to everyone whenever you see wherever possible

(except the rock next to Sisyphus)

2. keep talking to everyone

Do these things and you make progress in game

[pure rune]

Though side note, part of getting all the heart on Sisyphus requires you to talk to Bouldy at least once

Yes, you can talk to him

[mental narwhal]

yeah, talk to him but don't give him Nectar

[pure rune]

Also, giving him nectar after talking to him enough times can also give you a small buff to something

That something varies from run to run though

[mental narwhal]

details here: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Sisyphus

this may contain spoilers

[pure rune]

Details on the small buffs you can get from Bouldy here:
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Bouldy

[pastel ridge]

I like how sinister he looks in the placeholder portrait

[pale zenith]

So I tabbed out of Hades to chat with someone after ending a run

and just came back to this

Oh, wait, no images in this one.

Darn.

It's just Zagreus giving a peace sign

[restive latch]

Bouldy was the true villain

[marble frost]

you take that back this instant, you vile slanderer !

[rotund cloak]

So like

If Zagreus is a lot less weak near the snowy part of the underworld, then why doesn't persephone just wait there for him

He makes that huge trek to just die after 15 minutes of talking to her

[unreal dagger]

(except the rock next to Sisyphus)
Wow, if anyone deserves nectar

Is bouldy

I'm hurt

[mental narwhal]

I've learnt English vocabulary recently. When I see Aphrodite's weak effect, I think of this new word: || impotent || 😆

[unreal dagger]

😩

[golden ether]

hey i had a quick question, does anyone know the easiest way for me to get hypnos's favor? I've maxed out everyone's relationships in the codex except for his, which is still locked, and I don't know how to finish it :(

[marble frost]

wait

it's locked behind RNG for both hypnos and thanatos

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hypnos

[pure rune]

You need to see through the subplot of him getting better at work

[prime mulch]

old pic poggers

[pure rune]

Why does the wiki always display the placeholder/old pictures on embeds

[main hearth]

don't know but is a memory trip when you see them

[prime mulch]

its just 2 years

[wicked lotus]

Hey guys quick question ||did you took back the abrosa from Dusa ?||

[normal kiln]

nah she deserves it

[uncut rivet]

i did i needed it for .. other reasons

[copper saffron]

Yeah...

[torpid vine]

I let her keep it. I had a solid stock, and knew I could get more.

[pale night]

||Patroclus||

[torpid vine]

||After I met him for the first time, I could feel myself going feralwith the need to unite him and Achilles||

[pale night]

||same tbh||

[plush meteor]

I have almost caught 200 fish and still haven't got the "Denizens of the Deep" prophecy. How many fish do I need to finish it off? It is my last prophecy.

[rotund kite]

200 is more than enough. Have you caught any of the rare fish? Poseidon is the one who fishes that quest

I mean finishes that quest.. Lol

[prime mulch]

giving a floating head ur hard earned ambrosias is pointless

[copper saffron]

oof

[vestal quail]

If Zagreus is a lot less weak near the snowy part of the underworld, then why doesn't persephone just wait there for him
@rotund cloak hey man, pretty late here but it's because ||The cottage's location is hidden, and she doesn't want to venture out much lest the rest of Olympus finds her somehow|| as far as I understand. I dunno if you're asking after you were done with the game or after just reaching that point for the first time so I spoilered it just in case. Even though this is the spoiler channel lol

[rotund kite]

Huge surplus of darkness but still not enough gems to buy everything..

It's my own fault, traded them for titan blood too quickly early on

[jade slate]

thats how gems is some times

get darker thirst and the other bounty thing asap

as well as rod

[rotund kite]

Yeh I've done some runs where I get hundreds, but it's pretty luck based

[jade slate]

also troves

[potent meteor]

do I have to hold exagryph to get ||zeus to give me the hidden aspect|| after he comments on it?

[jade slate]

dont believe so no

[hot mirage]

Hades: Zagreus, you must spend your hard-earned funds wisely.
Zagreus: -slaps down diamond on the contractor’s desk- I want a disco ball in the lounge!

[stark violet]

Yes

[hot mirage]

I love Zag so, so much just for this honestly

[tranquil meteor]

i have to spend 5 titan shards on blades before unlocking Guan Yu or it already count all it had?

[copper saffron]

on non zag aspects which can be separate

Then good job talking to achilles

[tranquil meteor]

actually the guide said its nyx that i have to talk

to unlock arthur

[copper saffron]

well you mentionned Guan Yu

[tranquil meteor]

u didnt got it

[copper saffron]

[tranquil meteor]

before i unlock guan yu

not for unlock it

cuz for arthur i need guan yu :3

[tender mason]

I only spent enough titan blood to get the achilles aspect on the spear

I think it’s tied to something else

[copper saffron]

Yeah it is

[ruby parcel]

Is thanatos monogamous

[drifting citrus]

no

well, he doesn't have to be

[ruby parcel]

So it's not confirmed in the story?

[tender mason]

Me when ||I fill out the part of Patroclus’ codex entry that says “Fear is for the weak,” like 5 times||

[torpid vine]

Is thanatos monogamous
@ruby parcel Not inherently. If you ||follow all romance options through, Zag ends up in a poly triad. Several characters have dialogue about monogamy being a mostly mortal thing.||

[topaz brook]

Hey, how long has the post-epilogue victory screen said ||"TAKEN BY THE STYX" ||instead of ||"IS THERE NO ESCAPE?"||

[rocky dirge]

A few patches ago

[drifting citrus]

since like, 2 patches ago

[rocky dirge]

The animation is different too!

[topaz brook]

Ah, that explains it, I was taking a bit of a break from doing heat runs to play through a new game while a friend watches

Well neat 😄

[rough forum]

makes me wish Zeus and Hera would do the whole non-monogamous thing

they really need to have a chat about that. we might have less myths about Zeus cheating and Hera getting angry about it

instead just "hey honey I'm going to go do sexual things with mortals"
"okay have a good time and stay safe. do you plan on having any children this time?"
"most likely. should make for some cool stories, right?"
"you know it, babe"
and then they high five and everything is chill

[sly tulip]

Took me 85 attempts, but I think I finished the epilogue, or whatever people call it

And only 30k kills 😂

[rocky dirge]

Lot's of intentional deaths? That's a really low kill count

[sly tulip]

In 85 runs? Okay

[rocky dirge]

Oh, huh, thought I had 35k but was actually at 25k. No yeah that seems appropriate

[sly tulip]

Okay

[faint jasper]

My companion isn’t working

Any fixes?

It wasn’t working in the Hydra fight, Asterius mini boss and Asterius and Thesus fight

And yes I have it maxed out and I had used for it left

I believe it also didn’t work on the fury sisters it just says summon unavailable

[onyx sierra]

Hypnos suggesting to Thanatos that he just kill all the humans at once so he doesn’t have to take as many trips is the best thing I’ve heard in forever

[faint jasper]

Pleaseee this is so annoying I keep losing death defiances because of my summon not working

[light thistle]

What companion? Also are you sure that you have charges when you're using it @faint jasper

does it say summon unavailable?

[faint jasper]

Yeah it says that

I’m using shady

And yes I have 4 charges rn

[light thistle]

I would suggest either posting this in #h1-tech-support or F10ing when you think you have a bug

is your problem reproducible

[torpid vine]

makes me wish Zeus and Hera would do the whole non-monogamous thing
@rough forum Well... Zeus is all for it. xDD

[faint jasper]

Idk if it’s reroducible since it’s only happened once I’ll put it in tech support

[light thistle]

Sorry that I can't help you more there

[spiral stirrup]

Is there any known bug on Poseidon favor? I've been at it for ages, got way beyond a hundred fishes with a fish caught in the run before talking with him, but I never have the opportunity to unlock the bond anyhow.

Got the related prophecy unlocked for ages as well (if I remember well there was a prophecy on it)

Or am I supposed to keep the fishes on me without selling them?

[atomic forge]

you're probably just unlucky

[light thistle]

You don't have to keep fish on you at all

[spiral stirrup]

Grumpf :/

[rocky dirge]

You have to have fished prior to meeting him for the first time in a run, I believe.

[bleak tulip]

i need to be spoiled... i have beaten the game 3 or 4 times now

is there a "final final" boss after papa Hades ?

[fresh musk]

@bleak tulip there is something ||there is charon but hes not really a final final boss||

as far as i know theres nothing else other than that

but also ||you can fight charon on last shop 1st stage i think so thats not really final||

[bleak tulip]

ok, just been stressing out coz after i beat papa hades second stage im always almost dead

so if there would be a sudden extra boss i would cry

[rocky dirge]

Well, there is EM4

Which is just Angry Dad

[fresh musk]

well ||chiron is much harder than hades i think but thats bcs you fight him earlier than hades so you are pretty weak||

[copper saffron]

You don't get to practice much either and yes, early encounter means death

[shadow crater]

The wretched broker keeps getting me with his enthusiastic face when you arrive and the scruffy one when you don't buy anything

[torpid vine]

I love the shade emotes xDD

[rotund kite]

I like his happy face when you see he's the employee on the board

[grizzled siren]

so i do kinda wonder

If nectar is an illegal substance in the underworld why does the broker sell it

[rocky dirge]

Have you heard of Prohibition

[torpid vine]

Black market dealings? Gotta trade in the 'contraband', get a 'finder's fee'.

[grizzled siren]

i dont think you can argue prohibition when he is displaying his nectar

Unless Hades just cant be bothered to take the short walk into the lounge, surely he knows the broker is selling it

okay that's weird

I got the nyx and chaos quest talks out of order

||Nyx said chaos had to contact her. did a run. Nyx said chaos had contacted her, found chaos and Zagreus talked about Nyx's reaction. died. Nyx said nothing of importnat. Zagrues told chaos that Nyx wanted them to contact her.||

[karmic sail]

theseus getting bent out of shape about the yarn of ariadne is hilarious

[tender mason]

That actually happens? Oh that’s amazing

I loved Dionysus mentioning how he doesn’t like Theseus because he dumped ariadne

But he didn’t mention her by name

[grizzled siren]

guys i did it

i finally caught my first legendary fish

[pure mortar]

after I revealed the hdden Spear aspect does it matter if I invest blood into the Zargeus aspect to unlock the others?

[fierce estuary]

is this the spoiler channel?

wanna ask what ||pacts are the easiest when increasing heat||

[light thistle]

Read the top bar, but yes spoilers beware here

if it's after act 3 boss you should still spoiler tag it

[fierce estuary]

oh wait ||heat|| is endgame content?

so everything after theseus then

[grizzled siren]

god i really really hate having to use stubborn defiance

If you are having a bad run stubborn defiance makes sure that run ends

[proud urchin]

question: || i beat the game over 10 times, how do i unlock the next part of the story? ||

[grizzled siren]

Answer: The fated list has instructions for the epilogue

[fierce estuary]

question || what pacts are the easiest when increasing heat||

[grizzled siren]

Answer: ||TD seems to be the most popular for free heat but personally I don't like it. Otherwise EM one is pretty manageable and taking the full heart shield one is fine if you aren't going for a strong but slow attack build.||

[fierce estuary]

thanks

[uncut rivet]

||TD is super easy at least for level 1 and EM as mentioned is usually easy up to level 2, level 3 is pretty hard with some other pacts. Don't want to go super off topic for this channel but other popular ones are BP, which gives armored enemies some new abilities, and MM, which gives miniboss rooms some new flavor. MM may not be the easiest but it is a bit more fun IMO||

[dire talon]

question ||How close do I need to get with all of the Olympians for the Queen's Plan prophecy to be completed? Like, how many hearts?||

[unreal dagger]

all of them

[dire talon]

Up to the locks? dayum

Only maxed one I have is Demeter lol

[unreal dagger]

as a matter of fact i think demeter is the only one you dont need maxed xD

[lunar kiln]

getting demeter to her locked heart counts towards the plan's requirements

[grizzled siren]

DLC to interrupt Nyx talking to someone by tugging on her dress when?

[fierce estuary]

||i increased the dmg enemies deal from +20 to +40 so final boss takes half my hp lol||

[hot mirage]

It took 36 runs, but I did it. I beat the final boss
If I don't sound enthused, I will say I've had a long day lol

[lime rapids]

Don’t worry it took me around that too @hot mirage welcome to the club my friend

[hot mirage]

wooooooooo :' D
time to mess around with mods

[rocky dirge]

Not even gonna wait till the credits?

[unreal dagger]

lmfao

1 win, LETS MOD

[dire talon]

The credits are sweet

[grizzled siren]

poor Feenie

doesn't realize that beating the final boss doesn't mean they beat the game (probably)

[pure rune]

You need to beat the game a couple of times before you get to the actual end of the story

[inland umbra]

I'm sure she'll figure it out in the next run

[pure rune]

Then do a whole lot more runs before you can finish the epilouge

[unreal dagger]

and even then is a roguelike

it never ends

[fervent skiff]

Of course!

There is no escape after all

[grizzled siren]

no better feeling then killing the witch's circle in less then a minute with the power of 900% armor damage on dash striked

[hot mirage]

I wanted to do one win legit, then just go ham with future runs tbh
I know there’s more, but for now I wanna mess around

And generally make a mockery of the underworld. It’s what Zagreus would want

[grizzled siren]

hey man it was your 25 dollars. if you really want to play 5% of the game then start downloading mods you can

[hot mirage]

I wouldn’t necessarily call it 5%? I mean I know there’s more content

Besides, what’s wrong with mods?

[dire talon]

Nothing. It's your game to mod.

[grizzled siren]

I mean my main issue with it

the way you are talking about it makes you seem like you are going to install cheat mods. Which seems kinda silly to do after your first victory

[hot mirage]

You said it’s my game, so...?

[dire talon]

One thing to consider is that the game may not run as well as it is relatively new and doesn't have an established modding community.

Therefore finding decent mods may be difficult.

For games like Morrowind, Skyrim, Dragon Age, I mod the heck out of my game because I know that these mods will work and understand how.

Now, I'm not discouraging you to mod or try out Hades mods.

Just saying that you may suffer from performance loss, some mods may all-out now work, and other issues could arise.

[hot mirage]

Yea, I’m aware of that, and I’m alright with it
That pretty much is me with Skyrim, haha

[dire talon]

My Skyrim game is so messed up due to mods lol

[fierce estuary]

once u beat the game once its the same fights over and over though

unless u use ||extreme measures||

[pure rune]

Honestly I kinda want to see a proper expansion for this game

Because the base game is already kind of amazing as it is

[grizzled siren]

I'd be kinda nice to get an easier method of killing yourself. Like sometimes I just don't like the seed I got and want to get a new one but the I just gotta wait for my 3 death defiance to run out

[dire talon]

Pay Charon for a boat ride?

[grizzled siren]

yeah that'd be nice. like getting the ability to ask Charon for a ride back at any shop/end of area...area

[dire talon]

I think it'd be cool.

[stray cloud]

So just beat up dad for the 2nd time (no extra spoliers plez)
From what mom said, why do I feel like dad revied zag because of guilt and greif

meaning zagerus is techinicly ded, which is why he can't leave the underworld

[unreal dagger]

you said no extra spoilers pls, are we supposed to not elaborate?

[stray cloud]

don't spoil things from the 3rd to 10th escape if possible

[unreal dagger]

lol then nvm

[stray cloud]

will be trying to beat dad a few more time over the weekend tho if I have time

[dire talon]

@grizzled siren Just had the convo with Perse about Charon's calling card

I think that could maybe be tied in with a hypothetical "take me home" boat ride

[grizzled siren]

do you consider mythology to be a spoiler

[atomic forge]

||testing||

[stray cloud]

no

[grizzled siren]

||it worked||

[atomic forge]

Sorry, wanted to make sure that was working before I said a bunch of spoiler tastic things lol

Spoilers bother the fabric of my soul

[grizzled siren]

The dead can leave the underworld and (despite a few inconsistencies between the game and mythology) this is still proven to be true in game.

[stray cloud]

oh yea

cuz edyrudcus in myth was gonna leave

[grizzled siren]

yep

[stray cloud]

but orpheus looked back

[grizzled siren]

edyrudcus is my new favorite way to spell eurydice

[stray cloud]

I'm terrible at spelling long names

[grizzled siren]

To be fair

you are typing greek names in english.

[stray cloud]

indeed, and english is my 2nd langague lol

[atomic forge]

I've been playing the game for quite a bit now and ||reached several endings, beaten hades multiple times, maxed near to all the relationships, threw a wicked mount olympus party, and I'm working toward the third skelly statue with almost maxed weapons of every aspect with a completed (as of yet) fated list, are there any other epilogues to work toward or just completionist things like the titles?||

[grizzled siren]

You have beaten all story elements beyond side quests

[atomic forge]

It's funny about Orpheus and Eurydice, finished house of leaves recently and part of it says "or free us with a glance, you rid a sea with a dance"

[grizzled siren]

my favorite part of in game to mythology

[atomic forge]

Yeah I'm very big into mythology

[grizzled siren]

In mythology Orpheus was known for singing very sadly to the point where even the gods struggled to punish him because they'd be brought to tears whenever they herd his music

[stray cloud]

I've been mostly focusing on the Patrolecus and Achilies time line

yep

[grizzled siren]

In game, all of his songs have the air of saddness to them

most notably good riddance

[stray cloud]

I wish I had time to study more myths

espiecally greek myth

[atomic forge]

Especially his don't look back song 💀 when I heard that I was like, that's pretty funny

[stray cloud]

it's funny how choatic it is, and the father of all gods is choas.

[grizzled siren]

I also like the story of orpheus outside of the game

[stray cloud]

orpheus you had 1 job

[grizzled siren]

To where Hades never actually expected Orpheus to be able to leave. The pact was made knowing full well he'd fail

[stray cloud]

curiosity kills your wife

[grizzled siren]

Because as Hades in game likes to say no one leaves the underwold

[stray cloud]

true

[grizzled siren]

*besides those he invited in

[stray cloud]

I mean really, if he was doubtful towards the pact he could have just walked out. Then turn, if Erudicey isn't there he can just go back to the underowrld and ask hades what the hec

[atomic forge]

I think hercules left the underworld, was he invited? Or did he never go in

[stray cloud]

in game?

[atomic forge]

No in mythology

[stray cloud]

dunno but I want to hear about this

[atomic forge]

As far as I know heracles is the only reference to hercules

[grizzled siren]

Heracles is Hercules

Hercules is the roman version

[atomic forge]

Hercules had the labor of defeating cerberus I believe

[grizzled siren]

Blame disney for no one knowing Heracles is greek and Hercules is roman

[stray cloud]

also, didn't thesus and his buddy try to kidnap persphone in a myth?

[atomic forge]

I knew

[grizzled siren]

Anyway

I think he gets a pass

cus like

[atomic forge]

Theseus was kind of a bro I'm mythology

[grizzled siren]

idk

[atomic forge]

In*

[stray cloud]

isn't hecles related to zeus?

[atomic forge]

Yeah, his son

[stray cloud]

of course he is

[atomic forge]

Zeus got around

[stray cloud]

because almost everyone important is zeus' kids

even some of his lover are related to him

[atomic forge]

Hercules was only a demigod though because human mother

[stray cloud]

another trend

[pure rune]

And Zeus basically has no self-control

[stray cloud]

Zeus in mythology sucks

I'd imagine if hera was in the game she'd constantly complian about zues

[atomic forge]

And hera always wilded out because her husband was crummy

[stray cloud]

The greeks really hated women dont they?

minus athena is like all of the goddesses are infeior to the gods

[atomic forge]

They seemed to punish them and cast them in a bad light as often as possible

But they did the same to the men I think

Maybe not equally

[stray cloud]

Im acutally curious

[atomic forge]

Always turning women into sea monsters

[stray cloud]

did zeus ever sleep with a guy? or was he just into women

[atomic forge]

I think he had relations with men? Maybe even animals?

[stray cloud]

or forcing them to give birth nowhere

caugh caugh artemis and apollo

[atomic forge]

I think he at least took the form of animals often

[stray cloud]

poor eros

[pure rune]

I mean, it's greek mythology

[stray cloud]

or what was the cow girl's name called

the greeks are heaviliy patriarcal

[pure rune]

It'd probably be weirder if most of them weren't trying to do everything that moved

[stray cloud]

true

just look at all the incests lol

persphone is technicly hade's neice

[atomic forge]

And pan of course

[grizzled siren]

the ultimate power move in mythology

[atomic forge]

Ultimate power move was aphrodite the god of love and beauty coming from...well, where she came from.

Not a pretty thing.

[stray cloud]

it's funny how the supposedly hottest guy in mytholgy, narccisces never screwed anyone

cuz they aren't as hot as him

[grizzled siren]

Her(a)ucles bringing Cerberus to Eurystheus to get him to drop the labors

Like imagine telling a god to slay Cerberus, and instead he brings the hell hound right up to your doorstep

[stray cloud]

im just gonna spell his name has herles

[grizzled siren]

imma be honest though

[stray cloud]

didn't he borrow it from hades?

[grizzled siren]

Heracles vs Hercules is like confusing me now

[stray cloud]

herles

[grizzled siren]

some sources say Hercules is roman not greek. others say he was both roman and greek.

So from now on let's just use the gender netural version

Themcules

[stray cloud]

wat

[atomic forge]

Himcules hercules and theycules

Zecules

[stray cloud]

[grizzled siren]

but yes chestnut

[stray cloud]

I'll... just go with heles

herles

[atomic forge]

I feel like heles is someone else

But I can't think of them right now

[grizzled siren]

Themcules made a deal with Hades. If he could capture Cereberus without using a weapon, he would be allowed to bring the dog to the surface

[atomic forge]

And hercules went down with a satyr sack...

And the rest was history

[grizzled siren]

Fun fact

The Satyr sack is full of rats

[atomic forge]

That makes sense

[prime mulch]

zeles

[atomic forge]

I thought at the beginning zag said he was gathering a bunch of satyr parts but rats makes more sense

[grizzled siren]

Either Zagreus or the game refers to it as "a bag full of vermin" the rat enemies are vermin

[atomic forge]

Nifty

[grizzled siren]

I think The Satyr Sack is a sack belonging to satyr

Ok i was wrong

the rat enemies are crawlers

[atomic forge]

Is hermes the path to learning more about skelly, I maxed my relationship with him and have had conversations about him many times but I was wondering if there's a way to pursue that lore

[grizzled siren]

and I looked it up. it's one of the victory banners after bribing cerberus that calls it a bag of vermin

[atomic forge]

Oh cool

[grizzled siren]

The biggest clue we have about skelly

||Asterius mentions a skelemous...however its spelled. existing. meaning his story about him being a pirate is the closet to the truth we have.||

[prime mulch]

skelly is ||skalamedeus or sth||

[pure rune]

||Schelemus||

[atomic forge]

Yeah I heard that and asked a few people about that but it doesn't seem to fit, I think he was more generally concerned about the conversation I had with hermes while I was holding the tooth

[pure rune]

I think

[atomic forge]

I mean in the game I talked to people about that, the Minotaur will comment on that as well but I think it's a red herring

[prime mulch]

no, ||skelly confirmed it was right, as he said i neve said it was wrong, and he replies positively when called with that name||

[grizzled siren]

My personal head canon

Skelly's life was completely boring. He was hired out of Asphodel. He doesn't want to talk about it because he doesn't want to admit he was a nobody

[atomic forge]

I think he just knew about that particular event, because when you actually ask him real questions he gets real apprehensive

||and we all know he's a joker||

[grizzled siren]

can we all agree on the real truth

[prime mulch]

actually after you do all that stuff, you can actually hear he replied to that name when greeted with that casually

[grizzled siren]

Zagreus is absolutely awful at playing the harp. Like if you give someone a piano or violin they will probably be able to play it to a level of minor understanding. at least to the point where it doesn't sound awful

[atomic forge]

You mean after he said it was his name?

[grizzled siren]

but Zagreus need a teacher to get past the horrible plucking sounds

[prime mulch]

wdym, the harp plays itself

[atomic forge]

Yeah...yeah I used the harp 500 times...

[prime mulch]

ye when u enter the courtyard, sometimes you will greet skelly with that name and he says his random line like at your service or im ready

[atomic forge]

||and then got the line from Orpheus that let me continue that quest||

[grizzled siren]

Alright fellas

sword shield rail. Which hidden aspect should I bring to the surface?

[prime mulch]

all, coz of prophecy

[grizzled siren]

okay but like

I can only bring one at a time

[prime mulch]

sword is the easiest

[atomic forge]

Sword I have had a lot of fun with

[grizzled siren]

i dont even konw what the sword does

[atomic forge]

I go with backstab bonuses and crit attack and whomp things

[prime mulch]

special for protective aura

[atomic forge]

||aspect of arthur protects you from damage, slows enemies, gives you a bunch of health, and the basic attack is a huge heavy swing, also slows projectiles||

It's really fun

[prime mulch]

immune to traps, magma, get dmg reduction and projectiles and enemies move slower in area u od special on

[grizzled siren]

i need 50 more gems. thats it

then i can complete the lounge

[atomic forge]

@prime mulch that's awfully spoilery

[prime mulch]

i dont say what it is

and this is spoiler channel

[atomic forge]

What it does is arguably more interesting

And by arguably I would say definitively lol

[prime mulch]

and the only thing that should be spoiler tagged is v1.0 content, read description

[grizzled siren]

Oh my..

so i never use the sword, but ||I like how it has an upgrade that's makes it a better version of gaun yu||

[prime mulch]

yes

[atomic forge]

So you don't think the hidden aspect is end game content?

Okey dokey

[grizzled siren]

also hidden aspects are spoiler marked in this channel

[prime mulch]

bcoz its not

[atomic forge]

They're literally called hidden aspects

[prime mulch]

u can get hidden aspects b4 clearing a run

[atomic forge]

🤦‍♂️

[grizzled siren]

yeah but we still spoiler mark them in here

[prime mulch]

sure ask a mod

[grizzled siren]

Man you are really being kinda a jerk about this aren't you?

[prime mulch]

idk man, i dont even say the name

this guy wanna get technical with me

[grizzled siren]

well since you don't know I'll tell you

you are being a jerk about this

[prime mulch]

no im not, bcoz hes aggrevated this first

[atomic forge]

Based on how you get it, it's end game content

[grizzled siren]

dude he just asked you to spoiler tag it and you went on a whole thing about how you shouldn't have to take the time to type 4 characters

[prime mulch]

but its not

[atomic forge]

||unless you can get 5 titan blood with never beating the game??||

[prime mulch]

you can

[atomic forge]

Especially when you were tagging names with spoilers

But not giant chunks of hidden aspects

[prime mulch]

the mechanics isnt a spoiler

[atomic forge]

If you really want me to get a mod for clarity I can do that but if it ends up being a spoiler you're going to look really bad for all this work you put into your right to not tag things

[prime mulch]

see

i can bring up several previous post i made about hidden aspects mechanics with pesent mod around

without spoilers

[atomic forge]

They're literally called hidden aspects with secret abilities and methods for unlocking

[prime mulch]

but the mechanics isnt a spoiler get over it

[atomic forge]

What an unlockable does isn't a spoiler? How is it not?

It's marked with question marks so you can't see it

[grizzled siren]

man Alpha is pretty sensitive over the aspect of spoiler tagging things huh?

[atomic forge]

Fascinating level of laziness

[prime mulch]

i can say ||pom flower|| gives u a level increase each 4 rooms, u get it now?

[grizzled siren]

Fascinating levels of not caring about others

there is a major difference there

I was specifically asking about the hidden sword aspect, and you replied with its uses

[prime mulch]

why do i even care abt this, u guys do what u want

[atomic forge]

That means that the entirety of the content is there

Especially when you literally just repeated the things I said in a spoiler tags again, but written poorly

[grizzled siren]

the correct example would be

The bow ||Coronacht|| shoots projectiles and can do a spread attack

that's pretty much what you had done.

[atomic forge]

I would probably spoiler bow too, but that's just me

Oh you mean how he approached it, my bad

[prime mulch]

you know that ||pom flower|| is a spoiler right, but not the bow?

[grizzled siren]

it was an example

[prime mulch]

thats the normal bow

[grizzled siren]

yes, because i wanted to show you what you were doing without posting a spoiler

[prime mulch]

strawmen arguments as usual, sure

[grizzled siren]

thats not what that word means

[prime mulch]

what ever man, i hope u have a great day

[atomic forge]

I always think it's funny when people use that phrase wrong

[grizzled siren]

My hades server block list grows ever longer

supergiant games server.

[atomic forge]

You argue an argument with an incorrect argument about arguments 👁️

[prime mulch]

says the guy who only here for a month

[atomic forge]

It takes a lot to be blocked by the ever vigilant, ever dutiful Dusa 😔

[grizzled siren]

First the block list

[prime mulch]

shes a head

[grizzled siren]

then the glock list

[atomic forge]

The only thing that legitimately bothers me is ||I'm pretty sure after 100+ runs, Dusa is NEVER the chosen house servant for the board||

Now that is a travesty.

[prime mulch]

she have been

[grizzled siren]

I have heard she can be

[atomic forge]

I hope so

I've not seen it yet

[prime mulch]

even ||zagreus if u went far enuf||

[atomic forge]

I've seen that

Several times

[grizzled siren]

||She, Zagreus, Hypno, and Cereberus are all able to be on the board, but rarely||

[atomic forge]

I've seen all of them too

[prime mulch]

cerberus dont do anything

hypnos makes lists

[atomic forge]

||although I can't get hypno to take the damn ambrosia yet, must be missing something||

[grizzled siren]

Cereberus is the official good boy. He eats intruders and satyr sacks

[atomic forge]

Best boy, all the pets.

[grizzled siren]

||Hypnos's heart is tied to Thanatos I believe||

[atomic forge]

Left head only

[prime mulch]

he dont eat you every time, what a travesty

[atomic forge]

||maxed thanatos, only relationships I have yet to max are hermes patroclus and achilles||

And hypnos

[prime mulch]

hypnos heart u ned to buy some stuff from great hall i believe, i cant confirm tho

[atomic forge]

Hmmmmm, maybe ||I have one more purchase for that||

[grizzled siren]

advice for Hypnos heart

try dying

this is not a joke

I remember seeing one person who talked about how they only unlocked the hypnos heart after losing their win streak

[prime mulch]

u can plough through rng dialogues by using ||guan yu|| and max enemy dmg pact

[atomic forge]

Yeah I've actually been trying to die to new things

He did comment on my 100th death 🙃

[grizzled siren]

||you might just be in RNG hell. You need to witness a few Than and Hypos conversations||

[prime mulch]

than is easier to spawn now i believe

[atomic forge]

||thanatos does not seem to show up very often lol||

[grizzled siren]

pro tip for getting someone to talk to someone else

Secretly hope for a conversation and then BAM

[atomic forge]

Eat more fish.

[grizzled siren]

they only ever talk to people

like me. I am waiting for Nyx ||To let me find the Orpheus contract|| BUT SHE IS ALWAYS BUSY

[atomic forge]

I think a high number of successful conversations back logged a lot of interactions

So now I'm trying to die a lot

[grizzled siren]

I walk into the house and she's all like "Hey Meg you keepin healthy?"

[prime mulch]

all u get for maxing all bonds is an achievement and a line from aphrodite

[atomic forge]

Oooo, worth it.

Aphrodite is bae

[grizzled siren]

All you get for maxing a bond with Dusa is snakes

Every single texture in the game is replaced by snakes

[atomic forge]

And ||HEARTACHE||

[prime mulch]

i legit without no thought, took back them ambrosias

[atomic forge]

I had to Google that it was safe first

It felt like a trick

[prime mulch]

its just business, nothing personal, snake head

[atomic forge]

never forget

[grizzled siren]

i also took them back but only because I knew Dusa wouldn't mind and generally it's good manners to follow the requests of people

She wasn't going to drink them and she felt bad having them

[fervent skiff]

^^

[grizzled siren]

plus like

[prime mulch]

she eats the bottles

[grizzled siren]

she...she really had a lot of them

i kinda wanted them back

[fervent skiff]

Can't blame you there boyo

[grizzled siren]

||Megera||: Give me only a few ambrosia and I'll love you forever

Dusa: give me twelve and i'll spit on you

[fervent skiff]

[prime mulch]

artemis > all romance options

[fervent skiff]

But of course

Such is the way of life

The one and only truth

[atomic forge]

Charon is bae

[fervent skiff]

You strike a hard bargain there...

[atomic forge]

and filthy rich

[grizzled siren]

man you know what i find funny

[prime mulch]

charon sent you a skeleton in his closet

[grizzled siren]

how worked up some people get about Athena not being white

[atomic forge]

while still managing to be soft-spoken.

[fervent skiff]

how worked up some people get about Athena not being white
Lmao what

I have never seen someone complain about that?

[prime mulch]

sounds like ppl memeing at best

[grizzled siren]

Steam forums being toxic

[fervent skiff]

Damn. Guess I'm just blessed to have never encountered them

[grizzled siren]

I've sen two posts on steam and one on reddit about Athena being black

[atomic forge]

the only time I ever took any offense at a race portraying a god was black heimdall, and that's only because Heimdall is literally called "The whitest of the gods" 😂

[grizzled siren]

found it. ||https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2995417278834987564/||

wow

[prime mulch]

then its porbably it very smalll minority, if not most reviews probably mentioned that

[grizzled siren]

can that not embed?

better

[fervent skiff]

A very small minority it seems

[atomic forge]

iirc you can kill emded by putting '<' and '>' on each end

[grizzled siren]

interest thing i found out thats like. obvious I suppose

||Orpheus and Eurydice's Good Riddance solo still match up and can be sync'd together.||

[unreal dagger]

well is the same song

[grizzled siren]

yeah well i kinda expected the ||Orpheus solo|| to be slower

I feel like at this point im kinda just

putting whatever keepsake i need to level on.

reguardless of what it does

all the boon granting ones I've maxed

[unreal dagger]

lmfao i did that

since i only use like 3 keepsakes

[grizzled siren]

recently i ||summoned Dusa to fight Hades|| was not disappointed by the dialogue for it

[unreal dagger]

I never used Fidi

I need to one of these days

[grizzled siren]

im gonna be 100% honest with you

I only use Fidi for the dialogue

it's pretty entertaining most times

okay question about game canon

Can Shades eat, but they don't have to. or can they not eat at all

[fallow snow]

@grizzled siren "Am I allowed to be here?!" -Dusa, last hitting her boss

[grizzled siren]

When I did that ||Hades said something like "That is not what we pay the maid for"||

[atomic forge]

iirc shades do eat, for the sake of it sort of. As if they're still alive

[prime mulch]

they dont need iirc, when u interact in lounge

[grizzled siren]

it'd be kinda nice if like. more zagreus shades appeared the higher your win streak against Theseus was

[grizzled siren]

guys i have a problem

||Orpheus contract|| or disco ball?

i mean...he'd understand right?

[pure rune]

||Orpheus first; friends before dance floors and all||

[grizzled siren]

would it change your answer if I said that the disco ball was the last lounge upgrade i need to finish it

[pure rune]

Nope

[thick burrow]

I guess this would count here. So I'm at the stage in the Gift of Song quest where I am playing actual melodies now (third part of practicing) yet the quest isn't completed. Just when is it that this quest is supposed to be completed does anyone know?

[normal kiln]

you gotta talk to orpheus

[grizzled siren]

"eh these boons area kinda trash let me reroll"

Zagreus: Got anything else?

same exact boons

I guess not

[atomic forge]

@grizzled siren It's not ||the last if it's JUST the disco ball, because there's a skull discoball light thing after||

[normal kiln]

i love when you reroll and get the same things but lower rarity

it’s like

i have been cursed for my hubris

[thick burrow]

AH so there's another stage with talking to Orph after getting to the third stage with the Lyre? This quest man....

[normal kiln]

iirc you’re done you just need to talk to orph again to finish it

[grizzled siren]

Yo I wanna give a thanks to the people who told me about the fake fishing bob thing

where like, if its a long wait time it's a fake out

after I started using that i've been getting perfect catches

[fierce estuary]

o.o theres a fake fishing bob?

[grizzled siren]

Like the bob that isn't the catch one

[thick burrow]

Yeah, when it doesn't fully submerge into the water, it's made to fake you out

[fierce estuary]

oh

[grizzled siren]

hold on

[fierce estuary]

thats what u meant

[grizzled siren]

this is my like 54th run. several hades kills. well past credits and on my way to the epilogue

zagreus is just NOW talking to hades about the pact of punishment

what?

[lone atlas]

what item is after Daedalus Hammer in the codex? I've got an "Undiscovered" there but I've finished the game (but not the epilogue)

[thick burrow]

I have to ask, is there any benefit to giving Bouldy any Necters?

I've given them like 3 so far, and nothing

[upbeat willow]

you get a minor boon like +3% gold gain or something like that

[thick burrow]

But nothing had happened.

Is that like after a certain point of talking to them or what?

[upbeat willow]

you should get a boon called "heart of stone"

[thick burrow]

Nope, no boon

[upbeat willow]

can you show us a screenshot of your boons?

[thick burrow]

Oh no wait sorry I did get something, didn't pay attention.

[upbeat willow]

asuming you're in a run right now and have given a nectar to bouldy

[thick burrow]

Just a small speed boast but I did get something

[upbeat willow]

you're all good :3

[heavy warren]

is the narrator confirmed to be ||Homer?||

[upbeat willow]

no confirmation

[thick burrow]

Does Bouldy have a proper heart gaugee at all then like everyone else, or will it always not respond and such?

[upbeat willow]

no denial either

nah, you can gift bouldy indefinitely

(once per run)

[thick burrow]

Good to know!

[fallow iron]

if i want to unlock the ||secret aspect of malphon|| do i need to speak to asterius as a mini boss? or as a final stage boss?

[unreal dagger]

mini boss

[fallow iron]

he never appears when i need to

i wanna cry :C

[unreal dagger]

welcome to rng town

[grizzled siren]

just make sure you go in every mini boss door you see

[unreal dagger]

^

[grizzled siren]

and then cry because you got butterfly ball

[unreal dagger]

oof

[fallow iron]

that actually happened

hahahahahahaha

[grizzled siren]

just be like me

[unreal dagger]

and then cry because you got died to butterfly ball

[grizzled siren]

waiting like 15 runs or more for Nyx to talk about ||orpherus contract||

[autumn dust]

hey uh i heard something about ||talking to hermes with his level 3 keepsake does something happen||?

[unreal dagger]

his favor

[timid bison]

I think I just engaged in a ||godly threesome with Than and Meg,|| I do not know why I was taken by surprise.

[manic crow]

I think I just engaged in a ||godly threesome with Than and Meg,|| I do not know why I was taken by surprise.
@timid bison what do I gotta do for that to happen

[lime rapids]

@manic crow improve the relationship between you

[manic crow]

thanks bouldy

[lime rapids]

No problem

[manic crow]

for both here and in game

[lime rapids]

I do my best ❤️

[manic crow]

I know you do bouldy

[torpid vine]

@timid bison what do I gotta do for that to happen
@manic crow That scene took ages to pop for me. I had to ||romance both completely, then get solo 'heart' scenes with both first. And basically exhaust their dialogue before that.||

[jade slate]

yeah the dialogue trees in this game can get a bit messy

im in epilogue and zag just asked than what its like outside

[cosmic condor]

Is it possible to screw up Hypnos quest?

I got him ||the autograph really late. Persephone was already in the underworld and I was on the stroll to invite the gods to the feast. I read on the wiki that thanatos has to speak to him about his work ethics multiple times, he did it twice until now, but I don't get any new dialogue from Hypnos anymore.||

[atomic forge]

HOW DO YOU uhhhhhhh hades keepsake

i'm assuming ||true ending||?

[timid bison]

@timid bison what do I gotta do for that to happen
@manic crow romance both and keep playing I guess

[fast idol]

@atomic forge just complete some more runs, it'll happen eventually

always do dialogue too

[atomic forge]

i gave him el nectar

damn you

he did not give me (family-friendly replacement for the word starting with s) and his next heart is locked @fast idol

[timid bison]

@manic crow That scene took ages to pop for me. I had to ||romance both completely, then get solo 'heart' scenes with both first. And basically exhaust their dialogue before that.||
@torpid vine Me too. Was so unexpected! ||Zagreus reactly exactly like I did on my first 3-way.||

[fast idol]

Yea you'll need get a bit more closer by ||getting involved in fisticuffs||

[atomic forge]

oh i've already done that

like 4 times

3 of those i've killed him sooo

[manic crow]

how do i romance

[fast idol]

you gotta ||kill hiim 10 times||

[atomic forge]

give nectar to specific characters

oh yeah that's why i said ||true ending||

[fast idol]

ya but there is also a special other dialogue chain that you need to go over

involving ||Zeus wanting to apologize to Hades, which triggers dialogue from Zagreus towards Hades when they are at home||

[atomic forge]

also is it me or is elysium VERY balls-hard

even more so than styx

[light thistle]

It's very hard when you haven't got refined strategies for it

definitely

the respawning soldiers can be very infuriating and also a dps check

the mini carts are annoying but you can deal with with ||tactical dashing||

depends if you want me to give a full rundown ofc

[atomic forge]

hades' difficulty curve goes:

• tartarus: underwhelming
• asphodel: a decent challenge, especially if witches show up on aegis runs
• elysium: literally why
• styx: the literal main difficulty of styx comes from dad and dad alone

also yeah please do

[fast idol]

Tartarus
Underwhelming

this person hasn't done Middle Management Sneak yet

[atomic forge]

sneaks suck even without middle management

but you aren't guaranteed to run into them

so

[light thistle]

yes, the game is meant to be designed to give some form of scaling inherently. But pact choices can really alter the balance

[fast idol]

Doomstone is also a pain

[light thistle]

HS makes asphodel much harder for one

[fast idol]

HS?

whats that one again

[atomic forge]

heightened security

[fast idol]

oh

[atomic forge]

+400% damage from traps and magma but only to yourself

[fast idol]

HS makes Styx the worst

[light thistle]

yah I mean

[atomic forge]

wait does the 400% apply to poison too

[fast idol]

bc i love running into the whirling blades of death

[light thistle]

Styx might seem easy now, but there's some element of dps checks

(there's poison cloud release)

in Styx

[atomic forge]

i've played styx

[fast idol]

Styx falling blades and Whirling blades are horrible

[light thistle]

that too

[atomic forge]

also lernie's heads are a dps check, especially if you don't have armor busting

[fast idol]

Elysium has the easiest traps to avoid...in theory

[light thistle]

Lernie is kinda a joke fight for a lot of builds

but the main thing about Styx

[fast idol]

Lernie is really comfy with the Skelly summon

[light thistle]

is when you're starting to apply Tight Deadline

a lot of the time people don't fully farm out Styx if they don't have to

[fast idol]

Tight deadline makes me too anxious 😓

[light thistle]

Honestly, just practice playing clean and quickly without TD on

[fast idol]

lmao i never do, its a pain unless I REALLY need the upgrades

[light thistle]

you'll get there

my average run for my first 100 runs was 40 mins

now it's like 20

[fast idol]

lmao m8

[light thistle]

also Forced Overtime makes clearspeed faster

as it reduces spawn time for enemies

[fast idol]

Forced overtime an benefits package is a BIG pain tho

and I really like BP more

[light thistle]

game isn't easy, no

[fast idol]

I still gotta figure out what combo in wanna go with for the final statue

[light thistle]

at some point if you wanna keep climbing tho

you gotta just suck it up and take pacts you don't enjoy

[fast idol]

As in pact combos

[light thistle]

combos too

[fast idol]

No I'm sure I know what I meant

If I just...want to get a run done without paying attention to my time I'm just going Arthur

that's how I beat Extremer Measures too

[light thistle]

that's fair

[fierce estuary]

u can reach 50+ heat without using the time limit thing right

[light thistle]

Max heat is 63/4

so yes

but normally TD3 is considered decent value for heat

[fierce estuary]

yea since it doesnt add much to difficulty

how do i clear the game faster?

[fast idol]

you go fast 👀

[fierce estuary]

cos after every room i always dash around it again to see if i missed anything

shld i just go next

[light thistle]

I'd focus on playing clean and trying to avoid hits for now

one thing you can practice for now

[fast idol]

yeah, go for gold urns while in the room

[light thistle]

is every time you finish a chamber

just pause the game by hitting esc

when you have a room decision

do the same

[fierce estuary]

that makes sense haha

but yea is it worth it to look around the room for gold urns

[light thistle]

i worked that into my practice long before i used TD for my runs

i mean, gold is gold

when you get good at the game, you just learn their glint and you don't need to kill every urn :P

[fierce estuary]

true

[light thistle]

the thing is with high levels of TD

there's an element of you just need to play aggressive sometimes

so learning to play clean is very useful

for turning up the heat

[fierce estuary]

tbh i dont really want to add td until later on

id rather add damage to enemies

[light thistle]

I get that sure

Hard Labour and Lasting Consequences are really good heat to practice on

just run LC4 and Stubborn Defiance when you feel you're ready for it

[fierce estuary]

im not sure what these pacts are lol

lemme google

[light thistle]

Hard Labour +20% damage per level

[fierce estuary]

ah yea

[light thistle]

Lasting Consequences -25% heal per level

[fierce estuary]

i think hell mode has 1 point in both

[light thistle]

correct

LC4 basically is considered free heat once you're good at the game

[fierce estuary]

then i turned hard labour to +60 lol im surprised i cleared that

turned it down afterward since em raises heat a lot

[light thistle]

i mean HL only scales off how many times you get hit right

[fierce estuary]

wait so with lc4 u dont heal at all?

[light thistle]

people prefer it to Jury Summons (more enemies) and Calisthenics Program (more hp for enemies) because it affects clear speed

[fierce estuary]

only defiance works i guess

[light thistle]

LC4 there's only a limited number of ways you can heal

GY spin attack

triggering Stubborn Defiance intentionally

[fierce estuary]

lol

[light thistle]

there's a couple others... Stubborn Roots during fights work

[fierce estuary]

would +max hp heal u

[light thistle]

Yes, you get +25/+25

when you pick up a centaur heart

so it's a "heal"

[fierce estuary]

oh thats really nice

[light thistle]

yah for sure

max hp is useful for LC4 runs anyway

you want a big hp pool so SD doesn't just leave you at 30 hp

[fierce estuary]

sd?

[light thistle]

stubborn defiance

[fierce estuary]

oh

[light thistle]

Just fyi I try to say the thing first

and use the acronym after

Teacher habits and all that

so check back what I write

:P

[fierce estuary]

yea oops

[light thistle]

np np

[jade slate]

honestly

the fact that zag is just running really really fast during poseidon call

is very funny

i originally thought it was him sliding around

on like a wave

[atomic forge]

Last I checked he's doing the same pose he does in the dash animation. Oh man, I haven't played Hades in over two weeks. I gotta change that.

[jade slate]

really?

i figured he was running because if he gets interrupted by like a room clear hes in the running animation