h1-story-discussion

[fickle yoke]

not for that

[unique thicket]

demeter cast builds are nutty

[fickle yoke]

stacking doom sometimes mb

but it's hard to find

[unique thicket]

i do have to try that one day

[fickle yoke]

for dio u need only 3-4 boons

Dio Q Aphro AA and their duo

mb longer weak

[unique thicket]

the reason i like heartbreak strike + frost florish is that its all you need

other boons are def nice

[fickle yoke]

all other u can spend for poms

[unique thicket]

but none of them are required to make that build work

maybe once i try 32 heat ill be eating my words

[fickle yoke]

well i do not make any close to high heat runs

so any build can work in my situation

[unique thicket]

my last build was kinda low on damage for trash mobs

it still shreaded bosses but i was taking too long to clear trash

[fickle yoke]

but shield is much more better imo

he needs no hummer upgrades

[unique thicket]

ill give shields more attempts later

[fickle yoke]

it may be good but they are not neccesar

shield gives you 2 greatest things in the game at once

[unique thicket]

i just haven't been impressed with shield's dps so far

[fickle yoke]

awesome mobility and invincibility

[unique thicket]

esp in boss fights

chiron lets me do 2 minute hades fights

[fickle yoke]

release all 6 shileds close to boss

and he will suffer a lot

[unique thicket]

but the problem is that you have to dash attack to do that again

thats slow

[fickle yoke]

for what

[unique thicket]

for boss dps

[fickle yoke]

well no

[unique thicket]

dash attack to do the multi shield attack

[fickle yoke]

it's Q

[unique thicket]

dash attack doesn't really do much damage later on unless you get some nice hammer upgrades

[fickle yoke]

not dash attack

[unique thicket]

ya srry

bull rush

i forgot dash attack has an actual name

[fickle yoke]

bull rush not for the dmg

[unique thicket]

ya but it takes time is my point

[fickle yoke]

it's for protection 1st

and to proc 1st debuf

most dmg makes ur special

[unique thicket]

I think ive gotten to the point where i don't need shield invicibility

I think i see how why you don't like chill

if you primarly use shield its not as good

anyways i gotta sleep

night

[fickle yoke]

good morning

have a nice sleep

[jovial axle]

I just encountered it in game and the ||duet between Orpheus and Eurydice is absolutely stunning ||

What makes this run even better is that after this I’ll have done all the 4th aspect prophecies

I feel like I’m super lucky with stuff like ||Persephone’s|| bond and aspects, and yet I still haven’t gotten Nyx to talk about ||Dusa or how to reunite Achilles and Patroclus|| lol

[fickle yoke]

btw is there Odyssey appears anywhere? or just mentioned once or twice?

[ivory spire]

There are no characters from the Odyssey anywhere, I'm not sure Odysseus is mentioned either

Unless you count Achilles, he's in the Odyssey

[fickle yoke]

ehm

i mean the man

the king

[ivory spire]

Odysseus is not in the game, unfortunately

[fickle yoke]

sad

i hoped such character should be there

[ivory spire]

Same. But Odysseus has his happy ending, so he wouldn't do much for the game's story

[fickle yoke]

wdym

iirc he returned back to his kingdom and beloved wife

[ivory spire]

My brain added an extra negation there

[quartz ledge]

The|| last fists are too OP|| or its me?

[jovial axle]

There’s a prophecy that says some like “the prince of the underworld shall appeal the contractor to clean up the lounge” or something like that

However the very first thing I did when the contractor was available to me was clean up after Cerberus, so what do I have to do now?

[fickle yoke]

yes and?

buy some stuff

like rags

knifes

and so on

[jovial axle]

Ah

Alright then, thanks

Also, how do I trigger the ||Epilogue||?

[fickle yoke]

idk yet

working on that

[quartz ledge]

beating hades so many times i think

[ivory spire]

When in doubt do more runs

[jovial axle]

I’ve gotten Hades, ||Persephone||, Cerberus, Zeus, and Posideon to max bond and I’m really close with anyone else that might be important to it

[ivory spire]

Yeah you need some RNG dialog with spoiler

[quartz ledge]

U unlock the achievement of the ||Principal Mission||

?

[jovial axle]

Ah

Thanks Thunder

[ivory spire]

Np

[woven jewel]

i just got epilogue today, i think trigger is gettng|| all duo boons prophecy||

alternatively i had around ||35 ||clears

[jovial axle]

Is there a place to find all of the subtitles that you can get at the end of a run?

...And if it’s the wiki:what’s the official name of the subtitles? (I mean stuff like Favored and Envied, or Swiftness of Hermes, the yellow text)

[ashen latch]

Don’t know if we have a page for that, but it would be cool to see

The titles are a pretty fun thing to spice up runs. I tend to theme by boons around that to see if there are any I missed

[prime mulch]

no just keep playing

[fossil bane]

It just adds another conversation... but no... it will continue like usual

[ashen latch]

She has tons of convos

That tends to mess up story progressions

[fossil bane]

I kinda don't like the true ending lol

[next gyro]

So paid the darkness at the contractor for the Eldest Sigil but nothing else seems to have happened for this quest in 5 runs or so...what is supposed to happen next?

[final stream]

hey, how do i get the Well stocked achievement? (buy 9 Well of Charon)... i though it was at least 9 items from wells but i just did a run (where i got like 14 items and still don't have it unlocked)

[sudden tulip]

Once I got 9 items and proceeded to the next room I got the achievement

[final stream]

guess i have to try again xD

[torn spruce]

I got true ending

And I'm tired

Yay

[atomic forge]

i still have to trigger that questline

i need to look around how to do that

[tired hemlock]

I finally got the 4th aspect for the fists, it seems underwhelming...

[atomic forge]

all the difference is in the special debuff

+35% damage isn't a joke, especially if you stack it up with privileged position. The problem is that it's a double edged sword

[tired hemlock]

yeah, i don't find it worth especially since health is limited

i've been theorycrafting dash builds with that dash spam

[shy nimbus]

May I know how deep is the new darkness sink in this version?!? I have over 300,000 darkness, but still hasn't reached the end rank.

I think there's one that's bugged. It demands up to 100,000 darkness at one level, but later rank/tier only needs 10,000 to level up.

[atomic forge]

I don't think anyone reached the end yet lol

@tired hemlock well, you can't really call the aspect underwhelming if you're not using the gimmick by it .-. it's like saying chaos aspecto n shield is underwhelming and you never rush->special

[tired hemlock]

i'm calling it underwhelming because the gimmick so far seems more detrimental than useful, i didn't say I haven't used it.

[open tiger]

@tired hemlock I did a dash build with it recently, and we theory crafted a bit right after

#h1-victory-boasting message

[tired hemlock]

yeah, that's what i was thinking about as well

[normal kiln]

ooh sea storm+second wave

i've been wondering whether you get two strikes with that?

or if the zeus limit kicks in

[open tiger]

Honestly wasn't paying close enough attention

[normal kiln]

lol fair enough

[open tiger]

Next time I get a chance to play, I will :3

[atomic forge]

i think the gimmick is fairly balanced, on bosses it's a bit hard to pull off but for room clear that bonus damage gets you very fast rooms

[tired hemlock]

I gave it a try but got a lot of shots on the face cuz my dashes were used offensively, thinking of taking divine strike to protect myself while dashing

[fickle yoke]

hm

hmmmmmmm

Sizifus saying he could be like prometeus

spend for eternity with eagle eating his liver

[atomic forge]

since you get more dashes, to be honest, you need to just play it a bit smarter if you're using the special. it only buffs that one enemy so it shouldn't be hard to not take damage from that one

[fickle yoke]

but game is already after trojan war

so prometius should be free by heracl?

[atomic forge]

i think it meant figuratively

both Prometheus and Sisiphus were given infinite tasks

plus, with Sisiphus being in the underworld, it's not impossible that he "hasn't heard"

or simply the heracles freeing of prometheus isn't part of the game's canon

[gray jetty]

I think it is, Hades gets super pissed when you mention Heracles

[fickle yoke]

mb he still doesnt know yes

[normal kiln]

or like, sisyphus didn't hear about it

pretty sure he doesn't have a news subscription

yeah

[fickle yoke]

@gray jetty cus heracles after death ascended to olimp

or mb cus he entered Hades realm and exit it

and stole cerberus

[atomic forge]

I took that part more as "at least my task is not painful"

[fickle yoke]

mb too

[split kelp]

Alright, what the hell do I have to do to be able to gift Ambrosia to ||Persephone||? Her codex entry is full, I keep having random conversations with her, but the heart is locked tight.

[shadow coral]

Chaos just told me to bring my egg to the last boss

Is there a reason for it

[tired hemlock]

it will amuse him

[shadow coral]

Good enough reason, Love that guy

Girl

Thang

[upbeat willow]

primordial entity :3

[fickle yoke]

chaos is it

[shadow coral]

He is my fav char by far, and interactions with him are always the bright part of my runs

[trim ridge]

dont they use they/them pronouns?

been a sec since ive played

[fickle yoke]

they use We iirc

so yes

[shadow coral]

Yeah I corrected myself cause I was unsure and didnt want to be rude

Shoulda said love that god, but alas I had to fix it afterwards

[trim ridge]

respecting pronouns is poggers of you

when unsure its probs best to use they/them universally

[shadow coral]

Yeah I started with the (I love that), and could only end it with a gendered pronoun, unless there is a pronoun like guy/gal that I am unaware of

[upbeat willow]

that primordial entity works for chaos :3

[shadow coral]

Bit wordy tho 😛

[upbeat willow]

I mean yes, but I like it 😛

[shadow coral]

That Pogchamp

[trim ridge]

:3 followed by 😛 is powerful

[shadow coral]

Chaos is absolute poggers as Zeph said, and champs can be anything

[trim ridge]

champs can be anything

[shadow coral]

Also how do I spoiler tag things, Cause I wanna cry about the first time I finished the game but dont wanna spoil

[trim ridge]

|| on either side as brackets

[upbeat willow]

||like this||

[shadow coral]

Am I a buffoon or does my aus keyboard not have vertical brackets

[upbeat willow]

it should be on the same key as the "" key

[shadow coral]

Oh its shift backslash,

[upbeat willow]

[shadow coral]

|| How about this||

Alright it worked

[upbeat willow]

perfect ^_^

[gray jetty]

#lern2pipe XD

[shadow coral]

||God my heart was torn in twain when Zag just dies shortly after meeting his mother, like I get we can go back to her but it was so gosh dang sad||

[fickle yoke]

https://imgur.com/sp047Tw

[clear scaffold]

does anyone else wish it was possible to ||go back to greece after finishing the main storyline?|| the only thing sgg did wrong tbh 😭

unless... the epilogue... 🤔

[warped pike]

Okay, I can't be this lucky every time. In the ||labyrinth section— the past 9 run attempts have ended with me getting the satyr sack on the second chamber try. Every time.|| Is it truly up to chance, or does it always appear at that point?

[upbeat willow]

mostly yes, it can't appear in the first 7 chambers (so effectively a full tunnel), after than it's RNG

[atomic forge]

Can someone help me with the dark reflections quest?

[hazy crypt]

Finally hit credits woo!!WHat an awesome game!
Can't wait to see what else is in store in the ENDENDGAME! ahaha 🙂

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/592313209562857495/760842158654881822/unknown.png

[thorn compass]

~308 enemies on average per run, nice!

[sudden tulip]

Does getting the epilogue involve talking to any specific olympian or do I just need to keep ||talking/gifting to Persephone||

[oak furnace]

just keep playing the game

[ivory spire]

It's RNG dialog with ||Persephone||

Then you'll know what to do

[nocturne sandal]

how to unlock dyonisus heart? I have maxed hearts with everyone but him and demeter, is there something im missing?

[ivory spire]

You have to gift Ambrosia to people. If you already did it, it's RNG dialog, so you gotta do more runs

[atomic forge]

I have 2 diamonds, wich is the best perk to buy in the final shop?

[fickle yoke]

???

do u buy for diamonds?

[ivory spire]

I think you mean in the contractor? In which case save up for later

[atomic forge]

yeah sorry my english 😛

the most expensive is 4 diamonds

what dou you recommend?

[fickle yoke]

if u dont make high heat run

do not buy erebus gates

u can focus on darkness or nectar to boost ur runs

[drifting panther]

I DID IT

I finished ||EM Hades||

what a monster of a fight

[fickle yoke]

impressive yeah?

[normal kiln]

i like that fight a lot

i am also very bad at it lmao

[drifting panther]

It is good but I am a filthy casual

so I kind of hate it :V

[normal kiln]

entirely fair

[atomic forge]

I'm confused guys, I don't know what to improve on, if I unlock all the weapon skins, the contractor's diamonds, get the affinity to get the conpanions ...

[fickle yoke]

so what the problem?@atomic forge

[atomic forge]

I don't know what is best to unlock first, or what will help me the most in future runs

[sudden tulip]

the things you listed require different resource

Just keep doing runs

[fickle yoke]

@atomic forge mirror and weapon

1st

all other things later

[atomic forge]

is no the best the 4 diamonds contract?

[fickle yoke]

what does it do

[atomic forge]

gems when you kill bosses

is the most expensive with 4 diamonds

but other i think are OP

[fickle yoke]

gems are kinda useless for start

[sudden tulip]

gems are most useful at the start

[fickle yoke]

most they do is cosmetic

[atomic forge]

to buy key and trade for other items

[sudden tulip]

If you have many work orders remaining that require gems then vanquishers keep is useful

[atomic forge]

of which 3 diamonds are worth which do you recommend

[fickle yoke]

1st buy all items in basic works

they all are helpfull till ur run

buy any you will buy them all anyway]

sooner or later

[atomic forge]

ok thanks 🙂

[sudden tulip]

Nectar and key upgrades are the best

[fickle yoke]

key yes

nectar part is too random i prefer darkness

[atomic forge]

im thinking too

are the best

[fickle yoke]

darkness just gives u hp]

u need more darkness anyway

[atomic forge]

of mirror i have 1-2 remaining level

[ivory spire]

You want the last one for sure

[atomic forge]

yep

[fickle yoke]

low heat runs are pretty ok without rerols

u can have enough of that with key upgrade

[atomic forge]

ok guys thanks <:

[ivory spire]

Yeah but he doesn't have that yet

[fickle yoke]

i'm not sure he has enough keys and darkness for that too

[past latch]

is it safe to spend Ambrosia on titan's blood? or how much Ambrosia do I need for companions

[atomic forge]

i have 34 keys

[fickle yoke]

@past latch 15 each iirc

or 16

1 to unlock 15 to lvlup

[past latch]

oh thats a lot

[sudden tulip]

Ambrosia is quite in excess comparatively

I traded like 20-30 for blood probably

But that was also because I used nectar-> diamond -> ambrosia

And some excess diamonds since I didn't buy most music

[ivory spire]

I would advise against trading anything if you still have to unlock everything

You usually can get by low heat with less blood

[sudden tulip]

Once you max companions start trading

[thick robin]

um guys
why can't i give nectar to hades, i got the end credit scene,i thought after that i'll be able to
but nope

[sudden tulip]

give it a few conversations I think

[spare sundial]

is it normal for nyx to ||never show up after i fix the eternal sigil?||

[tawny reef]

To unlock the hidden aspect of Malphon do i need to ||Have the fists equipped after he commented on it? or can i just switch and he'll give me on the next time i see him?||

[spare sundial]

you only need to fight ||asterius by himself ||after he comments on it if i recall correctly

the fight with|| theseus and him together|| doesnt count

[sudden tulip]

No you need to have it equipped

is it normal for nyx to ||never show up after i fix the eternal sigil?||
No, it's random

[fresh beacon]

I guess it's a really common question,and it probably is just a matter of rng,but I still can't get the firts hidden aspect.I have unlocked every other weapon aspect,have the fate list of course,and Achilles still doesn't even appear at all in the halls,so it's not like he has other lines with higher priority.How many runs did you attempt before getting it?

[lime wren]

No you need to have it equipped
You don’t need to have them equipped, you do have to have fought him with them equipped before and had him comment on them (can happen before unlock is available) after he’s said that line he can give the keyphrase while you have any weapon.

@tawny reef

[west oasis]

guys, just took a look at the achievements and saw "achieve story epilogue", how do i get it?

i already ||returned mother to underworld ||

[oak furnace]

keep playing and pray to RNG conversation

[west oasis]

eh got it

i already did everything to achieve Nyx/Achilles/Orpheus quest but rng hates me

[oak furnace]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2232655399

[west oasis]

i just cant

ty my friend

[oak furnace]

the guide has been updated with ||epilogue|| requirements

[west oasis]

will check it

good guide, seems really complicated but doable

[topaz nimbus]

how do you unlock lance hidden aspect?

[west oasis]

spend 5 blood to spear and speak with Achilles

[supple dagger]

there's a lance!?!?

[vapid parcel]

i think they mean the spear

[topaz nimbus]

sorry, spear

[supple dagger]

I figured that's what they meant. 😛

[vapid parcel]

oh xD

[frozen jolt]

that's not quite correct, you need to unlock 5 different aspects, get the fated list and fight the final boss at least once

[lime wren]

speaking of non-existent weapons, the lack of a heavy, sweeping axe or scythe weapon feels like a massive missed opportunity (could've been an axe weapon with an aspect of thanatos that turns it into a scythe), though || Excalibur || fills that void a bit

[supple dagger]

when they were developing the sixth weapon, a lot of us were thinking it would a scythe or sickle (since we all also theorized that it'd have the Aspect of Demeter attached).

[opal dagger]

soo what does it take to progress with hypnos?

speaking of non-existent weapons, the lack of a heavy, sweeping axe or scythe weapon feels like a massive missed opportunity (could've been an axe weapon with an aspect of thanatos that turns it into a scythe), though || Excalibur || fills that void a bit
@lime wren thing with that is Thanatos is currently using his scythe. None of the rest of the weapons in the game are being used by their previous owners/aspects

[lime wren]

fair enough, axe thing still stands

[solemn falcon]

what forth aspect is more fun do you think?

already hace excalibur and guan yu

[spare remnant]

Fists didn’t feel too different.

[lime wren]

|| gilgamesh, for the fists || is great

[spare remnant]

Mhm

[potent meteor]

Listen who needs fourth aspects

[lime wren]

Exagryph does

[potent meteor]

just use spear with flurry jab and win the game

TRUE.

[spare remnant]

I mostly use them for the Fated prophecy

[lime wren]

ew flurry jab

[potent meteor]

exagryph sucks.

What flurry jab is amazing

that and an attack speed up is a melt build

for a spear

[lime wren]

i like the sword version cause you can pair it with the 60% hp but heal on hit thing and become invincible

thats how i got my first sword win lol

[potent meteor]

I dont use the sword yeah

I use spear aspect zag

tho I'm not the best player

[spare remnant]

4th sword is the only one I like

[potent meteor]

zag aspect is fun

[lime wren]

i like all the sword aspects

but excalibur is probably my favorite aspect in the game

[potent meteor]

Achilles has a good aspect tbh. I like the bull rush.

I know, its risky

[lime wren]

its the opposite of risky most of the time

[spare remnant]

For spears I use the one that lets you throw and either recall or rush towards it

I think it’s second spear?

[lime wren]

achilles rush is ten years of i-frames

[lapis rivet]

aspect of hades is best for the spear imo

[lime wren]

aspect of hades is one of like 3 aspects i've purposefully not unlocked

[potent meteor]

I dont use spin

Spin succ

use flurry

win game

[lime wren]

(the others are Demeter for the fists and Chaos for the shield)

[potent meteor]

CHAOS CHAOS

sorry had to

[lapis rivet]

metamorphasis 🤡

[spare remnant]

Chaos shield is the one where you can throw the shield and still attack, right?

[potent meteor]

I can do anything but win with heat because im a coward

[lime wren]

no thats Zeus, Chaos is the multi-shield thing

but it requires you to bull rush and i find rush builds boring

[lapis rivet]

zeus aspect is sleeper op

[potent meteor]

best spear hammer. go.

[lime wren]

shield is just kinda busted in general

[spare remnant]

@potent meteor there’s some low heat options that are easy enough

[potent meteor]

yeah like I've done 1 heat on extreme measures

[lime wren]

50% crit chance on spear return

[potent meteor]

that is good

[spare remnant]

Like extra hit or two on enemies is also pretty free

[lime wren]

it doesn't work with achilles dash sadly

[potent meteor]

that and flurry and some dmg is good

[lapis rivet]

40% extended range if you're facing extremer measures

[potent meteor]

ok ok ok hear me out

[lapis rivet]

NEVER takes the triple dash in exchange for -25% dash

its a scam, you can't dodge hades

[potent meteor]

40% range, flurry jab.

[lapis rivet]

solid, i like it

[potent meteor]

with athena boons

so you deflect on attack and dash

congratulations

you win the game

[lapis rivet]

i won last night with smoldering air and aspect of aprhodite

turns out hades can't do much when he's charmed 80% of the fight

[lime wren]

triple dash is good if you're using Ruthless Reflex

[lapis rivet]

i use rutheless but the matter is the dash timing is so much smaller, so you take damage so much more often

and extremer measures hades hits like a truck

[potent meteor]

one run I got heroic attack up from Athena and then last room got flurry jab on the first floor

Tisiphone

BEGONE

[lime wren]

Vicious

unless you're on very high heat; focusing on AoE won't get you places (of course you'll generally want one aoe ability just for room clearing no matter the heat)

[manic cave]

so is there something im missing i cleared the game for the first time but the final aspects are stil locked

[lime wren]

to unlock hidden aspects you have to unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu for the spear, then invest 5 blood in a weapon, then speak to a character related to the weapon

[manic cave]

hmm ok thanks

[lime wren]

also there's a pin in this channel about them

[manic cave]

and you have to start with the spear? if i like the shield more i cant start with that?

[lime wren]

yes but you don't have to invest 5 blood in the spear specifically for that one

unlike the others

[manic cave]

ok

[rocky dirge]

I'm missing one Dire enemy from the Wanton Ransacking prophecy, the third to last one. Any idea what it is and how I find it?

[lunar kiln]

could be the giant pink snakestone in styx

[lime wren]

^ 3rd from the bottom is dire snakestone

[rocky dirge]

Hm, thanks

Guess I'll just have to hit all the midboss chambers in styx then

[lunar kiln]

middle management might help since it spawns two minibosses instead of one

[merry atlas]

So I've just comfirmed ||that you don't need to be wearing the gauntlets in order to get the fourth aspect, after you've got the original line about fighting bear handed from asterius||

[hidden kestrel]

Is there anything I should know about companions? Like if there's a really useful one to use or something. It feels like I unlocked them so late that I just always forget to use them.

I'm considering just getting the Bouldy one levelled up and just using it when I want to top off health, or just spamming it at the start for money.

[split kernel]

Theyre good for controlling boons otherwise I just put on skelly's charm for final boss for safe measure

[timid bison]

Has anyone been able to get a wall scroll for the chambers other than Dyonisus and Achilles?

[wide shoal]

Yeah I have one more available

[split kernel]

im on run 55, beat the game a few runs ago. Romancing Meg feels so slow? its stuck on "deepen relationship" and our conversations are just about end game stuff. still waiting to hop on her questline

do i just keep at it?

[wide shoal]

Yeaaaaah

[split kernel]

lol alright

[wide shoal]

that one feels kinda based on how many times you've died/ beaten her

[split kernel]

ive beaten her a ton though. like 40 straight wins against her

[wide shoal]

cause she dropped some post ending dialogue as part of a convo even though I was past the ending by about 30 deaths

pre ending*

[trail schooner]

guys, what does bonds do besides looking cute? :/

[wide shoal]

depends on the character but some provide the stuff that is locked at the bottom of your keepsakes

[trail schooner]

well, so a bond with zeus is just nice :P?

[wide shoal]

Maybe? I dunno if he gets access to one of the locked stuff

I've been kinda just seeing where the dice fall, I have four of them

[trail schooner]

yeah same ^^ i was just wondering

[hidden kestrel]

Wait, I didn't meant the keepsakes, I meant like the little dolls

[wide shoal]

ah I was responding to Reiv

prolly the biggest things I know is I have four of the locked keepsakes and they are all great

[timid bison]

Yeah I have one more available
@wide shoal How can I get it? Any clue?

[hidden kestrel]

I just keep forgetting to use em, and the ambrosia feels like I should be slower using

[wide shoal]

@timid bison tbh, not a clue it may be related to runs or it may be related to bond, the 3rd wall scroll I have access to buyt haven't gotten yet is ||Aphro||

Tbh Pichu I only really use ||Sis and Skelly's||

[timid bison]

I haven't bonded with her at all so thats probably why... I wanted a Poseidon poster, my favourite uncle lol

[wide shoal]

I'd like the great fisher more if he felt good to pick up as a boon

his boons feel so weak against bosses to me

[timid bison]

||Poseidon?|| I love them, specially if I manage to combo anything ||that hits repeatedly + Poseidon attack + Poseidon/Zeus duo boon||, very good damage.

[split kelp]

Anyone knows what has to happen to be allowed to gift Ambrosia to ||Persephone||? I have apparently exhausted her dialogue and also that of (as it seems) most everyone else, but that heart is still locked.

[hidden kestrel]

I got ||Than's first|| and it was fun, but I wanted to start playing with the others too.

[split kelp]

Also regarding Poseidon, Breaking Wave is the most fun boon in the game, it's not even close.

[wide shoal]

Mmmm I dunno

I think he is amazing wave clear

but his boss damage always felt lacking on situations with him

[hidden kestrel]

I like the silly Aphro/Demeter duo boon that makes the laser casts always target you

It's silly and fun, but also brings horrible BotW guardian flashbacks

[split kelp]

I used that thing exactly once to fulfill the prophecy. Now it's on the "don't friggin bother" list, together with Ares x Demeter.

[hidden kestrel]

Oh yeah. It was fun, but I don't think I would want it again

[north stratus]

Is there a complete list of the (new) house contractor items? nearly 200 runs/hours in with everything done post-epilogue (with on-going endgame 'vanity' item unlocks) The work orders section doesn't have a ✅ like the rest, every single item is purchased including all new UI unlocks/exm4 so assuming there is one last to pop-up?

[graceful flax]

||i miss hearing on the coast after beating hades...||

[spare remnant]

I miss the ||sunset||...

[heavy vigil]

How many attempts did it take people for Artimus to spill the beans about the hidden bow?

[sudden tulip]

am i the only one who thinks the epilogue feels unfinished

[heavy vigil]

Your not the only one

[lime wren]

How many attempts did it take people for Artimus to spill the beans about the hidden bow?
for 4 out of 6 of the hidden aspects for me, the keyphrase was given first try after it was available; ||Gilgamesh|| took ages cause Asterius wouldn't spawn, then Beowulf took a few runs

just gotta get the good rng

[spare remnant]

I’m having awful luck with Zeus at the moment for the gun

[static condor]

achilles just talked to me about an arragement he has with hades....am I close to unlocking guan yu?

[spare remnant]

That sounds more like relationship stuff with Patroclus

[static condor]

sigh =/

I have like 7 aspects unlocked

gave achilles at least like 8 or 9 ambrosias

when is he going to talk about his weapon lol

[spare remnant]

The problem is a lot of story plot needs Achilles

So some conversations get delayed because of that

And the it’s up to the RNG gods

[vast oxide]

gave achilles at least like 8 or 9 ambrosias

Those have nothing to do with unlocking the aspect.

[spare remnant]

But building the relationship and unlocking the heart could delay the conversation from coming up for it

[vast oxide]

That as well... though hard to say what exactly triggers it and allows it to go. Cause iirc there is a 'queue' in dialogue, so it could get into it at any point and any further changes to the relationship will be queued 'after'.

[lime wren]

I have like 7 aspects unlocked
@static condor you also have to have at least 1 titan blood in each weapon iirc

[vast oxide]

I'm still waiting for progression on those... and I don't know if I have to do anything at this point, or just wait. At least with Sisyphus there was some progess, since I asked a certain lady if she could go easier on him.

[jovial axle]

Anyone knows what has to happen to be allowed to gift Ambrosia to ||Persephone||? I have apparently exhausted her dialogue and also that of (as it seems) most everyone else, but that heart is still locked.
@split kelp
Just keep talking to ||Persephone|| I don’t have the ||Epilogue|| unlocked but I have a max bond

I don’t think it’s anything specific, probably just luck

[balmy verge]

Yup

Also have max bond without epilogue

She hasn't even mentioned ||the party||

[jovial axle]

I don’t know if that’s luck or if I’m missing anything

[balmy verge]

I'd assume rng dialogue again

Because they are talking about ||olympus and past memories||

So I'm assuming it leads up to that

[jovial axle]

There’s really only one thing I don’t like about the rng dialogue

And it’s the fact that ||Nyx|| ties into every single side quest in some way or another, and if you aren gunning for a specific quest they are likely to all trigger at the exact same time

[spare remnant]

Man, I also don’t like what she says about my girl Dusa

[split kernel]

how do i gift to bouldy?

[vast oxide]

You need to talk with Sisyphous first a couple of times. And I think gift him first.

[split kernel]

ok

[jolly sable]

is charon easier to fight in later regions, or same difficulty regardless of region?

[drifting citrus]

he doesn't scale at all

but his reward is better the earlier you get it

[coarse raptor]

yeah, though when he one shots you with Guan Yu it's very sad

[nimble otter]

Question? Why can't I give Hades another nectar? Do I have to beat him first?

[spare remnant]

You have to beat the game ||10|| times first, get credits, and then do RNG dialogue

[daring plover]

Hey everyone, got a little question. I seem to have cleared the conditions for unlocking some gods' (Ares and Poseidon namely) locked heart, however, they stayed locked despite slaying tons of enemies for Ares and fishing a lot for sea Uncle. Anyone knows if I did something wrong, or if it's a bug ?

[supple dagger]

You haven't exited the game since unlocking them once and then came back into the game, have you? I vaguely remember that being a bug/buggy thing during Early Access after Demeter's introduciton. That's odd.

I'd suggest maybe keep going and hope the game remembers to re-unlock those for ya. ❤️ ❤️ I very much remember that happening to me when I unlocked Aphrodite's once and then coming back to it locked.

[daring plover]

Nope, I don't think I got any of them unlocked in any way. I got Ares' and Poseidon's quest at some point, but I did them before I was at their locked heart

And I did both of those quests/profecies after 1.0, for info

Oh, similarly, I'm way past the conditions for Dyonisus, and same thing, despite him remarking on me handing the stuff out at some point.

[atomic forge]

What happens if u give nyx ambrosia?

[supple dagger]

you'll just continue maxing out affinity with her. Same for her parent Chaos.

[atomic forge]

Does that do anything except more dialogue?

Maxing out

[daring plover]

I read something on reddit about Ares' unlocking quest being bugged, but the problem is gonna be unlocking the Epilogue if half the gods are bugged for me lol

[oak furnace]

you get a ||chibi/cute face|| besides your keepsake, you have tons of ambrosia compared to other resources anyway

[atomic forge]

Aight thanks

[daring plover]

But well, if nothing works I guess I can only hope for a patch

[oak furnace]

it's most likely not bugged, just play until you pass the RNG test

[daring plover]

Problem is for two of the three I've been given AND realized their tasks long ago

Like before-credits long ago

[oak furnace]

again, RNG

I have 70+ runs, ||epilogue|| finished and my ||Achilles|| still isn't unlocked

[daring plover]

Uh I see

Welp, then gotta hope everything works out

Gonna be annoying if I can't make any progress

Seeing how long it took to get another "borrow" from Charon just after getting the quest from Hermes, it might just be bad RNG but eh

[oak furnace]

yeah this game isn't too kind with RNG conversation and unlocks

[daring plover]

Maybe that'll improve over future patches

I'm not mad or anything considering all the effort that it must have taken to make the game with all the dialogues not being in a complete disgusting mess in terms of order

The devs are doing a great job

[daring plover]

I didn't think about it but you're right

[hollow sage]

stuck on locked heart step with || Hermes || any idea how to progress further so I can give him || ambrosia || ?

[oak furnace]

just keep playing

[hollow sage]

trust me I have been got a dialogue with him where he asks || whether or not to continue his little quips when giving you boons || is that it?

[daring plover]

If you want the specific method to unlock it (and that one worked for me) it's ||talking to him with his keepsake at max rank equipped||

[jolly radish]

Friendly reminder to check pinned posts for a guide for common endgame FAQ (including Epilogue unlock steps), which also has a link within the guide, to another guide on how to unlock hearts for ALL applicable characters 🙂 (dm me if you have trouble finding the guides on Steam for any reason, I can link you directly)

[oak furnace]

do you have a guide to the guide for the guide?

[jolly radish]

And yes, the way to get Hermes' heart to unlock is to ||talk to him with a fully max'd out Plume keepsake (3 stars)||

[oak furnace]

jk, good job on the guides btw 👍

[pearl vessel]

Okay, I started a new file and can now confirm that you cannot cheese the|| 10th run|| for a free ||4 heat|| via ||EM4||. ||EM4|| is just not unlocked by that point. I think this was already known but I was wondering two/three days ago and no one seemed to know for sure.

[potent meteor]

What is that, ||EM4||

[daring plover]

||Extreme Measures 4||

[potent meteor]

Oh

That’s a thing?

Sounds painful

[spare remnant]

You have to unlock it

[heavy vigil]

Em4 is Hell mode, Daddy gets very violent with you lol

[oak furnace]

spoiler tag since it's only available after 1.0 endgame

[rugged trench]

Does anything happen with bouldy or am I wasting my nectar?

[rapid mulch]

So I've read that I have to invest 5 blood in aspects to unlock the hidden aspect

how does that have to be invested?

5 blood in any one aspect

or 5 blood total across all aspects of that weapon?

[spare remnant]

@rugged trench he gives you a random boost each run

[oak furnace]

5 blood total

[spare remnant]

After you give Boldy nectar, open up your list of boons and see what you got

[jovial axle]

Nope, I don't think I got any of them unlocked in any way. I got Ares' and Poseidon's quest at some point, but I did them before I was at their locked heart
@daring plover

I can’t give any Ares advice because I don’t have him yet, but for Posideon you have to ||catch a fish earlier in the same run that you talk to him||

[rugged trench]

ok I see

[jovial axle]

And have ||caught a lot of total fish (25 IIRC)|| before that run

[daring plover]

Ooooh

Thanks for the tip

[spare remnant]

1 has to be legendary fish

[hushed lotus]

Do boons that buff "attack", also buff dash-strikes?

[daring plover]

Uh

Which one are legendary ?

[spare remnant]

@hushed lotus yes

[hushed lotus]

Thanks

[daring plover]

Oh the flameater is

So I already got one

[spare remnant]

Each area has 3 fish. You have to get a perfect catch to get a legendary

[quick sapphire]

man I can't get bouldy, got sisyphus to the locked heart, talked to hades, meg and nyx multiple times. don't see anything in admin chamber. like 40 runs later still haven't progressed it am I missing something?

[supple dagger]

what do you mean you can't get Bouldy?

[quick sapphire]

unlock as a companion

[supple dagger]

aaahh

[pearl vessel]

Charon is a coward. It's been 4 runs of hitting up every mid biome shop. No stealing available.

[bold niche]

guess that's understandable.. first time he decided to place his savings out in the open, and they got stolen immediately

[olive glacier]

Hey, can anyone help me out with the last aspect for the Twin Fists? ||I'm playing on a save that I created during Blood Price update before 1.0. I have 130+ successful escapes, I've maxed out almost every aspect except for the last level of Hades spear and Poseidon sword. I keep taking twin fists to Asterius in Elysium, and he is repeating/giving generic dialogue. The aspect won't unlock :/ ||

I'm not sure if it's a bug or not

I'm worried my save might be stuck or something

has anyone else had that issue

[bold niche]

that's strange

[oak furnace]

you are talking to mid level Asterius and not end stage Asterius + Theseus right?

[rotund sedge]

@olive glacier the RNG is just like that. I got to the end credits before I got the 4th fist aspect.

[olive glacier]

Yaku, yes

Toki, I'm well past the end credits 😦

[atomic forge]

I banished Charon twice in battle successively. Why is it not giving me the prophecy?

[small ingot]

How do I reunite Achilles and Patroclus? Will it just happen via dialog?

[supple dagger]

a lot of dialogue until there's a prophecy related to it I think

[atomic forge]

@small ingot a lot of dialogue with the two of them will eventually open up the quest to do so. You'll then find the file in the archive which will lead to their reuniting. It costs 5 diamonds to do so

[oak furnace]

@atomic forge I remember reading that you need to beat him again 1 more time

[heavy vigil]

I think artimus hates me, still wont drop the words to speak

[split kernel]

what? lol

[buoyant flicker]

does anyone know when ||pesephone will return|| so i can unlock her final heart gauge?

i already did the epilouge tho i cant finish the affinity yet

[drifting citrus]

||she'll just return after a number of runs, she'll be back soon||

[buoyant flicker]

im just hoping it isnt a dusa situation where i have to shower her with gifts

[sage brook]

Hey guys I'm seriously stumped here. ||So I was able to give Hades a nectar and got a scene to unlock the rest of his hearts, but I haven't been able to give him anything else since. I've finished the epilogue, persephone has left temporarily, and he's at the point where he only says one liners with no response from zag. Is there supposed to be another trigger that I haven't reached yet?|| And a second problem I've had is that I've been looking to buy Good Riddance from the contractor. I read that you have to get the sheet music to unlock it, but i got that piece of dialogue before i unlocked the jukebox... Is there another way to get it? Do i have to buy a certain amount of music before it pops up?

[buoyant flicker]

ohh i had that problem with hades too

i think after talking to him after some amount of runs you can give him again

i believe i did about 5 runs before i was able to ||when persephone left||

[sage brook]

gotcha. I'll keep doing runs then. He ran out of dialogue even before i did the last questline so i was wondering if that was what was blocking it and i burned several runs to see if anything changed, and when it did i was like "i guess i'll trigger that" but still nothing since

[buoyant flicker]

i believe you can recieve|| the sigil of the dead ||right after which gives you ||hades call|| and also ||you never really go deeper in the relationship (no ambrosia just nectar)|| so you dont need to rush it unless you want semi-fluff dialouge

also im not sure if you have to beat him in the extreme measures 4 fight before you get it

that might be the trigger

[sage brook]

yeah i beat extreme measures 4 three times already. but ||his keepsake is the last one i need and i'm excited to try it out. When he decides to let me love him XD ||

i'm half convinced i'm just extremely unlucky, but i wanted to check my bases and make sure i'm not just dumb

[buoyant flicker]

spoiler: ||hes a tsundere, so its kinda yeah and kind of nah||

also that his call is only good at full bars unless you using it to dodge

[dense fox]

I got the credits to roll last night and this might be one of my favoite games of 2020

(Unrelated: thank you ||patrolicus|| and your kiss of styx premium, you saved my butt after ||Charon|| took most of my death defiances)

[pale grail]

For some reason I remember that i unlock something ||can use summon against Hades after family reunion||

I move here since i feel it too spoiler heavy @fervent skiff

[fervent skiff]

I'm not sure, because I haven't been using anyone except bouldy for my runs, so I'd no idea if the old summons work now

[pale grail]

It is after establish good relationship with dad

[fervent skiff]

I've finished said ||Family reunion|| and I don't think anything has changed the summon mechanic

[pale grail]

[fervent skiff]

I could test it out for you

[pale grail]

Need to check it later then

[stray basalt]

pardon me, does anyone know if unbreakable bond give any additional keepsake benefit?

[pale grail]

I dont think so

[fervent skiff]

Nope

Advancing relationships does not give any extra bonuses after the first heart (Except a few)

[pale grail]

It basically say “no story for this character anymore”

[fervent skiff]

It is purely optional

[stray basalt]

ok thanks, would be cool if it gave a slight bonus or something

[pale grail]

I still need Ceberus, Hypnos and Demeter bond

[stray basalt]

idk how to get cerberus he won't take any more nectar from me

[atomic forge]

I'd love if ||the game wouldn't just "game over" me after defeating Hades now||

[fervent skiff]

Keep giving him more love and he'll let you give him more nectar @stray basalt

[pale grail]

Oh , talk about garden

[fervent skiff]

@atomic forge 1.0 content is still spoilers

[pale grail]

I want to upgrade the underworld ||garden||

[fervent skiff]

Please do tag it

[stray basalt]

i thought we're in spoilers channel though?

[fervent skiff]

https://i.imgur.com/lFZ356i.png

[rocky dirge]

idk how to get cerberus he won't take any more nectar from me
@stray basalt pet him more

[pale grail]

Oh i see

[stray basalt]

@rocky dirge ok thanks

[pale grail]

Didnt petting is more than just fan service

[stray basalt]

idk how to spolier tag the text that's why i switched to spoiler channel

[drifting citrus]

||spoiler||

[fervent skiff]

@stray basalt Put || before and after the text you wish to spoiler

[stray basalt]

👍🏻

[spare remnant]

Anyone have any tips for getting the 4th gun aspect? It’s the only one I have left to get, ||I have 5 blood in the gun, I’ve done 12 runs with the gun equipped talking to Zeus 6 times and he won’t bring it up.||

[stray basalt]

i got all the way to hades with pact of punishment heightened security (400% dmg from traps), had no idea those ||green pots he throws out count as traps||

[lime wren]

Can we talk about how || the fish show up in the final fight now||
||Hades|| will sometimes stand in front of a fishing spot and talk about the fish

[pale grail]

i got all the way to hades with pact of punishment heightened security (400% dmg from traps), had no idea those ||green pots he throws out count as traps||
@Lt.Head#0609 same as i didnt know lava is also trap

[stray basalt]

@lime wren yes i noticed that ||first time i saw that i pulled up the line too early, ugh||

[spare remnant]

@pale grail it does specify it in the pact

[fervent skiff]

@spare remnant The text for fourth aspect is pure rng sadly

[pale grail]

Oh i havnt choose that pact, i got Chaos trap

[spare remnant]

It says ||”all traps and magma deal +400% damage” on the heightened security||

[lime wren]

I almost always hit the rare fish timing but whenever I buy the fish spawn from the well of Charon I almost always panic and “too early” it

Cursed fish lure

[stray basalt]

@pale grail yes the magma counts but ||those stupid green pots that grab you deal 150 dmg per hit!||

[pale grail]

Yup, insta ded

[spare remnant]

Darn RNG conversation

[hidden kestrel]

||I knew about the pots because in advance only because one of my early successful runs had Athena's trap damage resist and I was bad with them||

[spare remnant]

I guess I’m doing ||heat 7|| on the gun now. :/

[coarse raptor]

7 isn't so bad, barely harder than 0 😛

[stray basalt]

anyone got any good strategy on how to ||defeat charon|| he whooped me real bad last time

[lime wren]

yeah; don’t

[pale grail]

I would say after the first time he is significantly easier

[lime wren]

Do it once on an op run for the achievement then don’t do it again

[pale grail]

As his attack is not hard to dodge

[spare remnant]

Get real good at timing dashes to dodge

@lime wren at least twice

[stray basalt]

ok i'll pass on this run then bec i only have 1 dodge

[lime wren]

“Dodge better” is just as bad advice as what I said

[spare remnant]

There’s a prophecy to beat him twice in a row

[tough ginkgo]

also if he shows in tartarus just don't do it

[tight wigeon]

Charon is much easier with a ranged weapon. It's his swipes that are the most dangerous attack

[lime wren]

ah, don’t have that prophecy yet that sounds rough

[tight wigeon]

Twice in a row can be in different runs

[tough ginkgo]

I only beat him once in tartarus, with maxed out chiron bow, +4 special hammer and a high damage special boon

[lime wren]

He’s really rough to fight with ||excalibur||, you almost never can get any slashes out

[spare remnant]

I beat him in Tartarus with a similar build. Poseidon on special.

[lime wren]

He’s not worth fighting post-Tartarus is the issue

[dense fox]

I beat him several times but then again I am a noob and have max god mode DX

[split kelp]

He totally is worth fighting post-Tartarus.

[spare remnant]

I mean, 300 gold + discount for the final shop if you want the blood/diamond

[tough ginkgo]

also need to fill out the loyalty card codex entry somehow

[dense fox]

If it was a "fair" fight he'd end me

[split kelp]

The reward stays the same, the gold and the discount is always nice, and he's much less terrifying in Elysium when the build tends to be mostly complete.

[pale grail]

I will totally take him on post tartarus

For the sake of it i guess

Since i dont get to fight him often, it is fun to switch thing up

[lime wren]

fighting him in Elysium so you get like maybe one shop plus Styx

[split kelp]

Styx alone is usually worth it.

[hidden kestrel]

Yeah, agreed

[lime wren]

I mean if you’re really good at the fight I guess it doesn’t matter if the reward is super useful, but if you’re not confident in it it’s definitely not worth losing a defiance

[hidden kestrel]

Especially if it's the Hermes boon over the Anvil, buying everything is nice

[split kelp]

Expensive double Poms, high rarity boons, meta currency if you need it? For a boss fight that is much less dangerous than taking him on in Tartarus with splinters of a build?

[hidden kestrel]

And hey, the Kiss of Styx will be cheaper too

After dying to him

[split kelp]

That too, the wells are cheaper.

[dense fox]

So, I have a kinda spoilery question:

Back when I played the older builds on PC I managed to ||Rescue sissypus from his fate|| Hades was rahter rude about me alking about the prospect of it. Thing is, on switch... due to various reasons to do with bad luck on runs ||I have manmaged to return a certain someone before i even get that high on Sissypus's friendship meter|||

I am wondering if that affects anything, since the only big keepsake i have is ||Skelly's for killing him||

[lime wren]

ngl I didn’t realize his HP doesn’t scale until just now

[tough ginkgo]

true, you get 300 for fighting him and kiss of styx costs 160 so you can easily bounce back

[lime wren]

@dense fox story progression won’t lock you out of anything

[dense fox]

I wasn't so much worried about being locked out as i was asking "||does hades chill out on these topics now he's less crazy||"

[tough ginkgo]

what is it then if not 160 lol

[pale grail]

20%off 200 is exactly 160

[lime wren]

that it is, it’s midnight and I’m dying

brain is smooth

[golden socket]

Am I missing any requirements for getting the final Aspect on the fists?

I've unlocked every other aspect in the game

and I've tried talking to Demeter multiple times

[pale grail]

Fist

[strong sentinel]

you have to ||take the fists to Asterius||

[pale grail]

You have to talk to the ||bull||

[golden socket]

yeah, with the fist equipped

Ohhhhh

huh

[strong sentinel]

specifically ||when he's a miniboss|| i think

[golden socket]

I think I've gotten the Butterfly Ball on almost every run since 1.0

so that sucks

Right, gotcha

[pale grail]

^same

[golden socket]

ok, thx

[hidden kestrel]

Hades would be a lot more successful replacing Theseus with the butterfly ball

[lime wren]

you don’t have to have them equipped if he’s commented on them before

[tough ginkgo]

I was lucky to get it on my first run of 1.0

[lime wren]

the “fighting me bare handed” quote

[pale grail]

Is it just me or there should be some variation on 3rd boss

3 sisters, different hydra heads

[lime wren]

There is?

[hidden kestrel]

The variation is technically the boon

[pale grail]

But the duo is the

[lime wren]

He has a different Call each run

[pale grail]

Same

[hidden kestrel]

I know I hate when it's Demeter personally

[pale grail]

Oh

[lime wren]

Artemis is worst cause it lets him crit you

[pale grail]

It doesnt feel much different to me i think, just “avoid the circle on the floor”

[hidden kestrel]

If you're good at avoiding Theseus attacks, yeah

[lime wren]

I would say it would be cool if it had more variation like the Trial of the Gods attacks do but I don’t want that

Some of the Trial attacks are just dumb

[hidden kestrel]

Early on, the fact his attacks actually gain the books boons of the God he calls is actually relevant

[lime wren]

Aphrodite

[hidden kestrel]

Like he can poison you, weak you, ect.

But like, then you learn the fight

[tough ginkgo]

if he had trial of the gods attacks and got aphrodite or athena's help I'd just put the controller down tbh

[hidden kestrel]

Demeter's vortex just sometimes doesn't have a lot of a lead up

[lime wren]

Athena is one of the easiest Trial gods imo

[golden socket]

wait, why can't i post in feedback?

[lime wren]

I’ll only pick her over Ares

[tough ginkgo]

it just takes too much time

[hidden kestrel]

I'm just super impatient so I don't like Athena

[golden socket]

I posted something really recently

have I been banned?

[pale grail]

Same, i dont like athena trial

[lime wren]

Ares and his menacingly approaching stab circle

that moves at the pace of a snail

[strong sentinel]

i made the mistake of picking aphrodite trial one time

that was a failed run :)

[lime wren]

Ah, free stunlock

[golden socket]

wait what

[hidden kestrel]

It's easy to avoid, but messing up with Aphro can be super brutal so it balances out

[lime wren]

I’ve never been able to avoid it

[hidden kestrel]

And like, rude spawn points

[lime wren]

It just bounces if it hits a wall

[fervent skiff]

@golden socket Don't worry you haven't been banned what so ever

[hidden kestrel]

I remember picking that slow projectiles duo boon once

[golden socket]

then why can't I post in #hades-feedback ?

[hidden kestrel]

And like, now everything is harder to dodge, what a mistakr

[fervent skiff]

I have no clue

[lime wren]

Maybe with that, otherwise I’ve just accepted that Aphrodite trial is to be avoided at all costs

None of the other ones feel genuinely unfair, even if a few are a bit annoying (Poseidon)

[daring plover]

Aphrodite, Ares and Demeter trials are pains

[golden socket]

I mean, my last post got 11 downvotes and only one upvote, so I wouldn't be surprised if I got banned

[lime wren]

How is Ares trial a pain the circle barely moves

[daring plover]

I dunno

[strong sentinel]

a lot of the game boils down to "don't stand in bad" huh

[daring plover]

I dont like it

[hidden kestrel]

I like Poseidon with ||Arthur ||

[lime wren]

a lot of the game boils down to "don't stand in bad" huh
yeah that’s the entirety of the fourth level

[hidden kestrel]

The wave moves so slow, I love it

[daring plover]

True

[lime wren]

I hate Styx so much

[hidden kestrel]

I'm liking it a bit more

[golden socket]

is anyone else locked out of Feedback or just me?

[pale grail]

Styx is ok, i dont like Asphodel

[hidden kestrel]

Thanks to|| pom blossom||

[pale grail]

Oh damn I am also lock

[strong sentinel]

elysium is the one that gives me trouble

[lime wren]

mostly full health coming in, get poisoned down to like 20 hp if lucky, if unlucky (armor satyrs) lose a defiance or two

[strong sentinel]

if i beat tartarus i can get to elysium every time
if i get to styx i can almost always get to final boss
it's getting through elysium that can be annoying

[pale grail]

And look like there are no comment for 5h, look like they lock a whole lot of people out

[golden socket]

When did they add that shockwave attack to Theseus and Minotaur?

[hidden kestrel]

I assumed you just needed Early Access role for feedback?

Not that it's posted anywhere

[pale grail]

I do

[golden socket]

yes, it's in the pins

[hidden kestrel]

I'm new to the server so I assumed that was it

[golden socket]

they also said they lock it before updates

so maybe that's it?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but that was in a pin from 2018 so

who knows

[stray basalt]

what happens when ||hades hits you with that blood boil attack|| some sort of debuff?

[lime wren]

Channel probably won’t do much if they’re not going to do post-launch content, as a lot of the stuff in there seems to be content ideas

what happens when ||hades hits you with that blood boil attack|| some sort of debuff?
I’m pretty sure it works like Zagreus’ boiling blood

[fervent skiff]

^

[stray basalt]

whoa! just caught a ||sturgeon||!!!

[golden socket]

I honestly hate the new "Delta Strike" shockwave attack on Thesesus and Asterius.

I used to be able to beat them pretty easily

today I lost 2 DD's to them on 0 heat

my highest clear is on 9

I swear the audio cue for that attack comes after it's already started

so if you're standing next to Asterius, you just get hit

also, it's the same effect as ||Hades|| which I don't like

That fight used to be my favorite

It was fine

it didn't need to get any harder

now I hate it

[pale grail]

What is that shockway everyone talking about

I barely notice any different in that fight

[golden socket]

big circle attack

[stray basalt]

holy cow i think the head chef gave me ||a titan blood for the sturgeon||!

[golden socket]

expands from the center

just like the ||exploding skulls in the Hades fight||

idk when they added that

[pale grail]

But it is quite small right?

And came out when he do a jump attack?

[golden socket]

oh wait

I just read the patch notes

they don't start doing it right away

ugh

From the patch notes:

Theseus and The Minotaur: they have learned a new tag-team maneuver (once you reach a certain point...)

[pale grail]

Then it seem like i haven’t unlock that yet...

No, i got the party already

That shouldnt be the case

[tepid narwhal]

wait so do they have 2 moves together or 3

[drifting citrus]

pretty sure it’s just two

[tepid narwhal]

ah

[drifting citrus]

one where theseus walks to asterius (bull rush) and one where asterius charges at theseus (delta strike)

[tepid narwhal]

ooh i havent seen them do delta strike

i stopped being able to beat them once i realized asterius yeets theseus @ u sometimes and i start laughing everytime it happens

[pale grail]

Ye, i smile everytime Asterius hit Theseus and he said “Watch it, friend”

Or when Theseus spear hit the Bull instead of me

[tepid narwhal]

now i just charm spam until they murder each other

[drifting citrus]

very viable tactic if not a little cruel

[tepid narwhal]

oops

[lilac ruin]

i got ignited ichor twice, one from buying it and another from the random item, and I already had a hermes boon that made me 40% faster and in short, and i am now very fast

[drifting citrus]

hermes is crying with happiness

[tepid narwhal]

i wonder what theseus said to hades to convince him to let him just grab asterius out of erebus

was it like a reverse zag situation where he just fought his way down there

[dense fox]

I bet it was like this:

Theseus: Let me rescue bull
Hades: No go away
Theseus: Come on I'll owe you a favor
Hades: Ugh fine, but i WILL cash in sooner or later

[tepid narwhal]

i honestly cant imagine the two of them interacting at all lol

[hidden kestrel]

I would assume that just like Zag, Hades probably hates Theseus, and agreed so he would leave and stop talking

[tepid narwhal]

its funny that theyre the only in the arena tho imagine if hades tried to get patroclus to fight you

he just sits down & lets u go

[dense fox]

Somehow I get the feeling Hades tried that and just entirely missed what would motivate him in his way:

Hades: Hey Patrolocus I need you to fight my son
Patrolicus: I'm perfectly content to sit here and do nothing thanks
Hades: I can offer you riches and glory
Patrolicus: Hard pass
Hades: Power?
Patrolocus: Again, hard pass
Hades: Come on, there's got to be something you want that I got!
Patrollius: Tell you what if you can figure out what it is I want i'll fight him for free
Hades: ... a nice new house?
Patrolicus: I'm going to sleep now. (Does so)
Hades: Blast now who will I make fight him?
Theseus: I'LL DO IT!

[tepid narwhal]

everyone else is fighting zag bc theyre on a payroll theseus & asterius just wants to hunt you for sport

[lime wren]

Eh Patroclus likely isn’t worth Hades going after, at least compared to Theseus

Theseus is on the payroll there’s a Hades conversation about it

[tepid narwhal]

oh lol

hades is like never home i miss talking to him 😔

[lime wren]

It’s likely his payment for getting Asterius out of Erebus

[tepid narwhal]

tru

[dense fox]

Theseus wants to stop you because he legit thinks you are a unholy demonspawn from the depths of hell.

Asterious just likes fighting.

[lime wren]

Theseus is doing it cause Hades said so, but idk how much of the “die evildoer” stuff is for the crowd and how much is just Theseus being an actual smoothbrain

Theseus was super dumb in the actual myths so it’s probably mostly that

[dense fox]

I kinda wish we could meet Theseus on his own and figure out how much of it is crowd hype and how much is him being a idiot

[tepid narwhal]

zag: how do you stand him talking like that all the time
asterius: listen short one... wrestling is fake

[pearl plank]

I've been back to the house several times since ||the queen returned||, I even just beat EM 4, but still no ||Hades keepsake||.. anything special I need to do to trigger it?

[jade slate]

i wonder why than sounds so amazed that zagis giving him ambrosia like

"whered u find this"

@pearl plank have u been giving nectar

i know it sounds insulting but thats really all it is

[lime wren]

I've been back to the house several times since ||the queen returned||, I even just beat EM 4, but still no ||Hades keepsake||.. anything special I need to do to trigger it?
|| hades will call you out to the garden at some point to talk about how Persephone got there, after that you can give him nectar ||

[jade slate]

||really? for me i was able to give him nectar literally right after the picture was shown||

||the family portrait thingy in hades room||

[lime wren]

if you’ve given him one before || the true ending || then you have to do what I said to unlock the other hearts, otherwise you can just give it immediately cause the first heart isn’t locked

[jade slate]

||i havent hit the epilogue if thats what you mean by true ending, although they might have patched it since i got it right after the update||

[lime wren]

|| I just meant the credits, true ending isn’t the right words probably ||

Welcome to REDACTED chat

[grave shale]

How do yall build ||Guan Yu||

I hate using it

[jade slate]

ask combat channel

but athena attack

[grave shale]

Oh wait I'm in the wrong one

Lmao thanks

[dense fox]

This is one of my fav lines in fights so far:

Asterius: You have returned to my chamber. I trust you know by now what this means.
Zagreus: That I've challenged you to a battle for pride and glory because that's apparently all there is to do around here?
Asterius: That... snort Yes. That is essentially correct. Prepare.

[tepid narwhal]

nobodys got hobbies in elysium

[lime wren]

Hey, Patroclus does

His hobby is gloomy moping

[drifting panther]

I don't think "being moody" counts

[upbeat willow]

Theseus also has a hobby, in being utterly destroyed by Zagreus at Zag's whim

[open berry]

my theseus senses are tingling

[lime wren]

Best thing in the game that isn’t Dusa is Zagreus’ #1 fan, if there’s ever content updates I want to interact with him

Let me give my fan extra nectar like you can with bouldy

[vast basin]

Same

[tepid narwhal]

i wish u could pet the hydra

[vast basin]

Let me woo my number one fan

[lime wren]

“Lernie Vanquished” killed me the first time it popped up

[vast basin]

^^^

[dense fox]

I have yet to have that happen DX

[tight wigeon]

There are times where I feel like I want to intentionally lose to Lernie or Meg

Just to throw them a bone. Cause it's been so long since they ever had a chance

[tepid narwhal]

lowkey feel bad for meg lol

[tight wigeon]

For real

[tepid narwhal]

coz after a while u just stop losing to the furies completely

shes just doing her best 😩

[tight wigeon]

She's sulking so much over you beating her every time

[lime wren]

throw a fight to asterius cause he’s the only boss to show you any sort of warriors respect

[vast basin]

I can already imagine a voice line for it “did you take pity on me?”

[blissful prawn]

ok you guys so im trying to give nectar to people so i can get all their hearts up and i did aphrodite first and now she has a lock in the codex on her next heart and i cant give her anymore nectar whats next here ?

[spare remnant]

Doesn’t he also give you an autograph?

[lime wren]

To get rid of locks you’ve got to do a quest for that character

[tight wigeon]

I don't have to throw to asterius cause he still can sometimes hand it to me

[blissful prawn]

but how do i know what the quest is

[lime wren]

You picked a rough one cause Aphrodite requires you to do another persons quest (Dusa, Thanatos, or Megs) cause her quest is to romance someone

They’ll mention the quest sometimes

[vast basin]

||Isn’t it get all three of them maxed whether romance or not?||

Maybe that was just my rng...

[dense fox]

You know, thinking on it, Theseus isn't a bad dude. He rescused Asterius and as faras I can tell at leasdt partly thinks he's been assigned a mission from the gods to stop a anicent evil from escaping and casusing untol devastation on the surface world.

If zag WAS the horrific monster Theseus was TOLD he was he'd be the hero of the story. As things stand, he's a moron.

[open berry]

I feel like asterius would actually be offended if he was aware zag deliberately threw a fight to him. he's honorable, giving him a pity win isn't

[lime wren]

It used to be, pretty sure it’s just romance someone now; idk though I’ve read both @vast basin

[tepid narwhal]

dialogue rng: the games biggest hurdle

[vast basin]

I mean I didn’t get her maxed until after 1.0

[lime wren]

Yeah Theseus never was bad hes just a literal smoothbrain

[tepid narwhal]

himbo energy too strong

[lime wren]

which is fitting, as he was wholly stupid in mythology

[open berry]

theseus is an awful gremlin of a man and I adore him. picks him up while he throws a tantrum about hellspawn this and fiend that

[vast basin]

God the exchange|| you have with Achilles after ex3|| killed me

[tepid narwhal]

to be fair zag is a hellspawn hes born here

[lime wren]

Theseus and ||Hades|| both make fun of ||Arthur|| when you fight them with ||Excalibur|| then they proceed to get slapped

[vast basin]

That was a good one too

[dense fox]

Mess with the King you get the thing. As in, his sword. In the gut.

[tepid narwhal]

i think one of my fave dialogues was zag getting mad hes called short one bc hes the same height as theseus

[vast basin]

||“So I heard you got an autograph from asterius I will happily give you one too”||

Only to be smacked down

[dense fox]

I managed to get Skelly talking about who he was in the end. Like the music changes and everything.

Then he goes "Hahahahahahah I pranked ya good bro" and I'm like "Sure you did, Skelly, sure you did."

[tepid narwhal]

i love skelly

[vast basin]

I’d still like to know why ||Charon|| hired him

[tepid narwhal]

solidarity

[vast basin]

||If only we could speak boatma-huh actually could he be the narrator I wonder...||

[lime wren]

Was it ||Charon?||, I haven’t gotten that convo yet and I’d heard a bunch of people say it was ||Hermes||

[vast basin]

When I looked online I thought it said ||Charon|| hmmm

[dense fox]

I get the feeling that ||Charon|| knows more about things then he lets on and more then even some chars that ARE in the know, considering ||His role in the ending|| . Like i get the feeling he knew what would happen and decided to help it along. (While making a profit of course)

[lime wren]

I mean it could be both, as ||Charon works with Hermes anyway||

[dense fox]

Course if you asked him what he knows, the answer you would get is ||muhhgggghhghghghg||

Rather then anything useful

[vast basin]

Found the interaction it is ||Charon||

[dense fox]

And i said this in feedback but poision is the literal worst mechanic in the entire game because there is only one way to mitigate it and if you get caught on geometry in the very small areas of that level trying to GET to that one way you can die easily

[tepid narwhal]

styx is truly a wild ride

[lime wren]

Yeah the poison is just anti-fun

[dense fox]

I would not even mind it too much if there were other ways to mitigate it, like have Posiden's wave moves clear it out, or have a mirror perkl that lessens evironmental/trap damage including poision, or really ANYTHING THAT ADDS TO THE SOLE, SINGULAR WAY TO DEAL WITH IT

I'm not fussy HOW the poision gets ways to deal with it, it just needs more then one option

[lime wren]

Yeah, trap damage reduction doesn’t affect it, and it doesn’t activate revenge booms

[tough ginkgo]

should I just dump most of my ambrosia into blood?

[fervent skiff]

Yes and No

Mostly no

But partly yes

[tough ginkgo]

I have over 50 ambrosia at this point, only bond I have yet to forge is Hypnos

though my companions are all at lvl 1

[vast basin]

Maybe they could add a well effect you can buy that lets you mildly resist poison like they added for those chariots

[fervent skiff]

Companions require Ambrosia as well

There is also the UI theme

The resource director

and so on so forth

I still haven't run out of uses of my resources yet

Surprisingly

[tough ginkgo]

yeah, if I dumped all that ambrosia into companions I wouldn't have enough but not really sure if they're worth it

might just max 1 or 2 and pump rest into blood

[pale rover]

I've arrived

[trim ridge]

continuing from new players chat, a strong but slow weapon doesn’t feel like i’d mesh that well with how fast paced the combat is

[pale rover]

It might if the dash attack is a big sweep that moves you

[dense fox]

What do the ||different UI theme upgrades and resource director|| look like anyway? it might be a fun runs before i can see them since i got a lot if friendships to build

[trim ridge]

high commitment attack while being balanced doesn’t sound feasible to me

[tough ginkgo]

you can see most of them if you have a quick look around the victory boasting chat

[fervent skiff]

@dense fox Imo, I think the Stygian and Deadly ones look the best

[lime wren]

high commitment attack while being balanced doesn’t sound feasible to me
B a s t i o n H a m m e r

[ivory spire]

Don't crush my dreams, I've been saving nectar

[trim ridge]

bastion is muuuuch slower paced imo

[fervent skiff]

Huh?

[ivory spire]

It's been hard to not give it to Bouldy for the sweet 3% ambiguity bonus

[dense fox]

Imagine if you beleived in boldy so hard he came to life for real

[lime wren]

none of the melee weapons really specialize in big damage limited to a single target, a hammer or axe like weapon would achieve that @trim ridge

[fervent skiff]

@trim ridge I feel that bastion is pretty fast-paced judging how you get a new weapon like every 2 levels

[tepid narwhal]

bouldey best boy

[lime wren]

*stygius is single target fast damage that’s the closest it gets

[tepid narwhal]

romance the boulder speedrun

[trim ridge]

i meant fast paced talking exclusively about combat

[fervent skiff]

Have you tried stranger's dream?

[trim ridge]

i’ve 100%d the game, yeah

having roll + health potions on hand gives you more options to take things slowly

[fervent skiff]

You know what, that's fair

[trim ridge]

in hades it’s worse to get hit bc you can’t immediately remedy it outside of a handful of circumstances

so you’re incentivised to kill things as fast as possible

[lime wren]

Bastion has has lot more enemies that shoot at you, hades has more stabby lads

[prime mulch]

Hades is just a better version of Ruiner imo

[fervent skiff]

Ehhhhhh

In a way?

[trim ridge]

oh also it’s way easier to cheese enemy ai in bastion lol

like that one rock you could just hide behind and snipe in safety

[wild bone]

i feel like my sisyphsus story line is stuck

what should i do

[queen kindle]

[wild bone]

he aint talkin to me when i go to him anymore and no one at home is talkin about him either 😔

[tight wigeon]

Sisyphus took me a looot of time to progress

I even finished the final final epilogue before his quest

[wild bone]

sisyphus is the homie though 😦

oh well

[tight wigeon]

I feel like part of that was that all the related dialogue from Meg, Nyx and Hades was getting in the way of progressing his line

[gleaming dune]

Same here, I've maxed out every relation but Hermes' and Hypnos' which are still locked, I've seen many discussion between Thanatos and Hypnos and now Hypnos only tells me casual things when I die and I tried to speak to Hermes with the lvl3 plume but same casual dialog.

For Hypnos I still have story related dialog with Thanatos and it might be the problem but I don't understand for Hermes

[spare remnant]

@wild bone https://hades.gamepedia.com/Sisyphus

[wild bone]

yes i've looked at the wiki

[spare remnant]

You might be stuck waiting for Nyx since almost every important quest runs through dialogue with her

[wild bone]

ah

don't know why sisyphus isn't highest on the prio list

...

[prime mulch]

just keep dying in tartarus to farm for it

[wild bone]

lol

[spare remnant]

She’s too busy being a jerk to Dusa